Stand up or GTFO.
Kapernick can suck it. So can the pc media that is afraid to offend anyone by treating an asshole like an asshole.
You wanna take a political stance? Fine. Do it in a political arena. Retire from the game and join Black Lives Matter with your woman. Refuse to honor the country that makes your rich man life style possible and you look like a hypocritical asshole.
Why not burn a flag, Colin, ya cunt?
The niners might have cut him for being bad at his job, but now they'll have to consider the reaction of the public if they do. He has regressed steadily since losing the super bowl, and lost his job to Gabbert. I hope they have the bawls to make their football decisions without feeling pressure from the pussified public opinion.
I stand when its played so I don't offend anyone who has served. It is however just a flag and just a song and the values they supposedly and apparently less and less over time actually represent include free speech. I was that dick who sat through the flag worship in high school. All this nationalistic bullshit makes it easier for politicians to get young people killed. When this country does great things the flag and the song stir me. When this country does terrible things and tries to wrap it in a flag it does not. I don't know Colin from Adam and I think Black Lives Matters should have added "too" to their name but we do have things to talk about in this country and he maybe just isn't feeling that Hitler Youthy right now. Does it not strike anyone else as strange that we do the SSB with full military regalia before private for profit events? If they sang it in German we'd all reflect.
just me being a dick
I don't think you're being a dick, Griff.
I don't think LJ is either to be fair.
We don't have the same issues with flag & anthem over here, so for me it was a really peculiar thing to read about. A piece of cloth and a song?
But then also - a country that still feels so divided?
And then again a young man paid more than I will EVER earn in my life making such a pathetic gesture? If you care that much little boi, go out and DO something. Give some of your lovely loot to the families who are affected, and stand up with everyone else and keep your mouth shut.
But what do I know? I'm sat in a public funded library. I can afford to eat thanks to the Government benefits and a generous friend. I've just had 16 days in hospital I didn't pay a penny for.
And I was born white and English, and if I believed in God I'd thank him for that. Except maybe I might ask to be Welsh. And to have had an intolerance to alcohol.
The NFL is entertainment. If he's pissing off the viewers so they stop watching, then that hurts the NFL and if he hurts the NFL more than he helps them, he's gonna get kicked to the curb.
Our country is fairly divided. If we can be reminded now and then that we are all Americans and in this together, I think that's a good thing. I've got no problem with the flag stuff at games. I think it's nice.
I don't like the military stuff at games. The military is only a small fraction of what this country is about. It's a recruiting gig for them. Business. Plain and simple, just like the NFL is business, plain and simple.
He's a fool. We are all talking about him and not his cause.
I don't like the military stuff at games. The military is only a small fraction of what this country is about. It's a recruiting gig for them. Business. Plain and simple, just like the NFL is business, plain and simple.
Guess what oh you'll never guess I'll just tellya.
Honoring the troops? Jet fly-over? Flag ceremony?
The military pays the NFL for all that stuff.I prefer someone who wraps themself up in the flag. And then burns the flag. It make a better show.
I clearly remember what happened with Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf 20 years ago.
I love our country, and am happy to stand up during the National Anthem. But I also understand why someone like Colin Kaepernick takes issue with that. This is one of the best articles I've seen that talks about it:
http://theundefeated.com/features/taking-a-stand-by-sitting-down-kaepernick-abdul-rauf-and-the-national-anthem/
Ultimately, Kaepernick has the right to protest (and it is protected by his employers), and you have the right to be pissed about the situation. But I ask you to think about this: we are blessed with so many freedoms in this country, and yet, we are so outraged that someone is exercising such a freedom.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."--Evelyn Beatrice Hall
I'd like to see the fans exercise their right to stand up and turn their backs to him when he takes the field.
Respect the people who made it possible for you to have free speech.
Or GTFO.
Respect the people who made it possible for you to have free speech.
Forced speech is an odd way to respect free speech.
Fine. I just don't like the guy.
And to have had an intolerance to alcohol.
It would seem that do. ;)
If someone wants to protest the country by not standing while the national anthem is being played, that's fine. If that person has a serious accident and someone else wants to protest the telephone company by not calling 911 for them, that's fine too. What goes around comes around.
Or if someone was to miss a block on a blitzing linebacker...
Wishing death or injury on someone for not performing a particular ritual is not "fine".
If a citizen chooses not to support this country, that's fine with me. If fellow compatriots consequently choose not to support that person, that's fine with me too.
That's their right. Exercising their rights is fine ... except among un-Americans.
Wishing death or injury on someone for not performing a particular ritual is not "fine".
It's not the non performance of a ritual that irks me. It's the disruption. He is paid very well to be a pro football player. He's not paid to be a political activist. If he wants to burn flags and preach his rhetoric on his own time, great. While he's in uniform and representing his team and the league, he needs to shelve his personal agenda.
Respect the people who made it possible for you to have free speech.
Or GTFO.
In the 24+ years that I spent on active duty in the Army, including the first Gulf War and especially after 2003, I can't think of a thing that the military has done to guarantee any of the great freedoms we enjoy here in the United States. I've been to Iraq twice, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait and Qutar. Nothing that we have done has had any impact one way or the other on your ability to exercise free speech here in the United States. The last time that I can think of that the military was called upon to guarantee rights secured by the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments to our constitution was during the enforcement of desegregation of schools in the south. I am a fan though of the sentiment put forth in the book "Stormship Troopers". When one is willing to lay their life on the line for the body politic, that deserves our respect.
I will make this distinction though: the safety and security of the United States and her interests is vastly different than securing your freedoms here within our borders. Vastly different because there is no existential threat to the United States. None. Getting hit and being put down are two vastly different things as well. But, that is probably another conversation for another thread.
It's not the non performance of a ritual that irks me. It's the disruption. He is paid very well to be a pro football player. He's not paid to be a political activist. If he wants to burn flags and preach his rhetoric on his own time, great. While he's in uniform and representing his team and the league, he needs to shelve his personal agenda.
I do have some sympathy with that.
...I am a fan though of the sentiment put forth in the book "Stormship Troopers". When one is willing to lay their life on the line for the body politic, that deserves our respect...
...I will make this distinction though: the safety and security of the United States and her interests is vastly different than securing your freedoms here within our borders. Vastly different because there is no existential threat to the United States. None...
I like that distinction. You are the real deal Joe, thank you.
In the 24+ years that I spent on active duty in the Army, including the first Gulf War and especially after 2003, I can't think of a thing that the military has done to guarantee any of the great freedoms we enjoy here in the United States.
What a marvelous challenge. I guess the first thought exercise I have for us is, what do you think would happen if there was NO US Military? It's the things that DIDN'T happen that are most interesting. We can argue all day about the efficacy of what they have actually done with it. But you get as much done displaying a shotgun on the wall than you do swinging it around. And it helps if you demonstrate you have the nerve to take it off the wall when you want. Here are some of my talking points.
1) There is still an Israel.
2) There is still an Eastern Europe.
3) There is, for the most part, worldwide peace.
I'm saying these things are not true if the US Mil doesn't exist. And I'm also saying that the loss of these things would deeply threaten the US.
It's great we feel there is no existential threat. What a great thing to feel. Best thing ever actually. But tell me: is it because there's nobody who wants to threaten our existence??
We did not feel there was no existential threat in 2002. Why do we feel that way now? Are we wrong now, or were we wrong then? Is it that the enormity of our response demonstrated that we are not a paper tiger? Did we actually address the threats we felt? Or is it just chance, just luck, just our response to events?
From what I've heard, his intention was to start a discussion about how African Americans are treated as second class citizens. He has succeeded somewhat.
Since when is not standing for the national anthem a direct insult to the entire military? Talk about pc and getting offended.
And since when was the anthem a proxy for the military at all? Its a proxy for the government, which is completely fair game for criticism.
I applaud his audacity. I applaud that he used his status in a very public way to keep the voice of Black Lives Matter going strong for those who might feel that there's no point in striving for something better.
I applaud his courage. He knew the blowback this was going to cause him.
Poo Poo to all those who are crying. Get real already.
Because the lyrics are about winning a battle against a foreign entity. Which is one reason our anthem should be "America the Beautiful" instead, as there is a growing movement for.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
The whole "military" thing is nuts. Gun Lobby gone mad. ;)
He's being a bit of a drama queen wanker imo -the cynic in me questions his true motives. And I agree with Jim to a certain extent -he's being paid to represent his team and if they want to dump him they'd be well within their rights. But it's not a very free country if you are not free to protest in whatever (legal) way you can. It's not a crime. Yet. I also have issues with the pledge of allegiance. But that's another story.
I don't have any issue with him having his girlfriend's opinion. Been there, done that... It won't end well... Nessa Diab is his Yoko.
I have an issue with him trying to turn the spotlight away from something I enjoy and trying to force 'these conversations' onto people that don't give a fuck about his pet issue.
I love football. It's church to me. I look forward to Sunday. The last thing I want is for it to become the venue for random cork soakers to stand in front of reporters and talk shit about what other people 'should' do or How this county 'should' be.
I was disgusted by his broad brush allegations about cops murdering minorities and being rewarded with paid leave. It's a juvenile, reactionary and inflammatory thing to say. He has no idea what those people face on a daily. He hasn't even read UT's pawn shop thread.
To condemn the entire country because of some overblown news stories about the oppression of rioters and cop haters is indicative of an emotional childish mind. Tw would not approve.
I guess this is why I avoid the news. Every time it seeps into my awareness, I get disgusted with the shitty people that are involved.
I know there are mostly(? Eh?) good people in the world. People that would tell you if you left your coffee cup on your car roof, or that your fly was down....
...And I might not want to punch this dickhead if I talked to him about this face to face for 10 minutes...
But it sure seems like he is reciting some shit his girl has been brain washing him with.
Maybe he thinks Nessa is smarter than he is, and most other people he knows, and he's on board with her outrage. I've seen that before.
I guess my main point is this:
Football is about football. Nothing else. Don't bring your personal agenda to the game. That's not what the people that paid the money they earned came to see. Stand up with your teammates and give the contest 100% effort. One hunnet.
... -he's being paid to represent his team and if they want to dump him they'd be well within their rights. But it's not a very free country if you are not free to protest in whatever (legal) way you can. It's not a crime. ...
I've not heard that anyone is trying to put him behind bars and others have the right to not only counter-protest; but, to protest his manner of protest and to protest him. If it affects his job, that's his tough luck as he selected the venue.
Those in professional sports are in an entertainment industry. It's all about popularity and no one has a
right to be popular. If he loses his job, it would be the same as someone like Linda Ronstadt getting banned from performing in Las Vegas for interjecting her politics into her performances. When paying customers don't get what they're paying for the entertainers fall by the wayside. Even in a free country there's no free lunch.
He's just not a stand-up guy.
Why is this is a thing we are paying attention to. Are all other problems solved?
If the next two seasons are a Chip Kelly tire fire, I will be entertained by it and it sounds like this event may help fan the flames.
I don't follow football. Not at all. I just thought it would be funny if we could build this story up enough to get Donald Trump to label the guy a terrorist. Watching the news for it.
Why is this is a thing we are paying attention to. Are all other problems solved?
If the next two seasons are a Chip Kelly tire fire, I will be entertained by it and it sounds like this event may help fan the flames.
I don't envy Chip. He got the hell out of dodge (Philly) just as the racist label was starting to stick. Cutting DeSean and LaShawn.... Keeping Riley Cooper.... Clearly a white supremacist.... Now this lands in his lap. Just change your name to Adolf, Chip. You're doooomed.
I don't have any issue with him having his girlfriend's opinion. Been there, done that... It won't end well... Nessa Diab is his Yoko.
I don't think you know this any more than "He has no idea what those people face on a daily".
I have an issue with him trying to turn the spotlight away from something I enjoy and trying to force 'these conversations' onto people that don't give a fuck about his pet issue.
So are you against other players with their pet issues like curing cancer and supporting our troops, or are you just against
his issue because it doesn't affect you?
I love football. It's church to me. I look forward to Sunday. The last thing I want is for it to become the venue for random cork soakers to stand in front of reporters and talk shit about what other people 'should' do or How this county 'should' be.
But church is exactly where that shit is talked about.;)
I was disgusted by his broad brush allegations about cops murdering minorities and being rewarded with paid leave. It's a juvenile, reactionary and inflammatory thing to say. He has no idea what those people face on a daily. He hasn't even read UT's pawn shop thread.
If you can't acknowledge that there's a problem, you aren't paying attention
To condemn the entire country because of some overblown news stories about the oppression of rioters and cop haters is indicative of an emotional childish mind. Tw would not approve.
That there's a wide brush. You really have no concept of the blcak experience
But it sure seems like he is reciting some shit his girl has been brain washing him with.
Assumption
Football is about football. Nothing else. Don't bring your personal agenda to the game. That's not what the people that paid the money they earned came to see. Stand up with your teammates and give the contest 100% effort. One hunnet.
I would be consistent, then, if you are as outraged when a player genuflects, or points to the sky, or attributes his success to god. Are you?
posting line by line retorts like that is akin to interrupting someone repeatedly.
and.... your fly is down
Caught you looking, ya perv
I was disgusted by his broad brush allegations about cops murdering minorities and being rewarded with paid leave.
How is that "broad brush"? Was he saying that the vast majority of cops are on paid leave after killing minorities? That would be broad brush. Or was he saying that the vast majority of cops who kill minorities get no more punishment than paid leave? That's not broad brush.
Standing for a flag and national anthem is about respect. It says nothing about support or attacking a nation. Plenty of non-Americans should also stand for the national anthem? If not, they should be condemned? Nonsense. It is only a flag. Far more relevant is the issue.
One can criticize a venue he has chosen. But that in no way and in no manner affects football. Football and some cops who are racist with their guns are two completely different issues.
We need only go back to Vietnam when so many burned flags. What do we know now? Those flag burners were right. Go figure. They were wrong among those who were only emotional and deceived back then. Now they were right after we learned facts. They used the flag only for what it is - a symbol.
Only a fool would worship a flag. At best, we give it respect. Whether he sat or stood in no way affects football - if one is dealing with this controversy logically. The flag has no relationship to football.
However, the NFL combines both to promoted the NFL for increased profits. The NFL has no business wrapping themselves in the flag. But it works when promoting to the emotional - who somehow assume a flag and football are all about patriotism.
The thing I find most ironic about the argument that standing shows respect for those who died for our freedoms, is that one of those freedoms they died for was freedom of speech, or expression. (actions are considered expression and therefore fall under "speech")
The first amendment serves to protect speech, in particular unpopular speech. Popular speech, such as standing during the SSB, clearly doesn't need protecting unlike dissenting speech.
The other issues such as class, taste, appropriateness, hypocrisy, relevance, mendacity, are all up for discussion, but his patriotism, I feel, is not.
I don't follow football. Not at all. I just thought it would be funny if we could build this story up enough to get Donald Trump to label the guy a terrorist. Watching the news for it.
Maybe Trump will build a wall around the guy.
Trump was surprised how many Mexicans were in favor of the wall. They were throwing bricks at him for the wall.
Due to evil terrorists, we now build big walls even around NFL games. You cannot even bring your favorite flask containing a preferred spirits. Terrorist won again. Got us to build more walls. And to drink only what their religion wants us to drink.
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Trump was surprised how many Mexicans were in favor of the wall. They were throwing bricks at him for the wall.
Well yeah...they want to keep him out. :D
[spinmeister] The Donald just wants to provide racquetball* courts for underprivileged children in Mexican border towns. [/spinmeister]
*They may have to settle for handball as racquets are expensive.
*In lieu of handballs they may have to use armadillos.
They will crush it in the next Olympics. Thanks Donald!
I bet an armadillo wouldn't bounce for shit.
I just had a visual of a Harlem Globetrotter, footing his way across the border, dribbling an armadillo.:lol2:
ETA: It was Curly from the cartoon Globetrotters, btw.
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YOU'RE DUMB.
Also, hey there Flint.
He knelt on the sideline last night apparently.
He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this. He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this. He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this. He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this. He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this. He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this. He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this. He's a douchebag. He's got the "right" to do this.
That's the conversation he started. FTR - He's a douche in my book. He did this because he sucks and was probably going to get cut. Because of that he can now claim he too is oppressed by the white devil - Chip Kelly.
YOU'RE DUMB.
Also, hey there Flint.
Your FACE is dumb. Hi.
He knelt on the sideline last night apparently.
Your MOM knelt on the sideline last night apparently.
There's no comeback for a remark like that. None that don't make you sound douchy.
So I wrote a haiku instead
Flint is like a bird
Flies over, shits on our heads
Then he flies away
Your FACE is dumb. Hi.
A face that is dumb is also called a poker face.
All I wanna know: why does anyone give a flip if this guys stands, sits, or lies (or is it lays?) down?
He's 'entitled to his opinion', he's not breakin' the law, so what's the big deal?
I'll worry about what he thnks, says, or does when he can take money out of my pocket, food off my table, or shingles off the roof over my head.
So, again, why give a flip?
Because everything about football is blown way out of proportion. A bunch of billionaires hiring millionaires to bleed the taxpayers for more money.
Color me stupid: not seein' the connection between the real problem of bloated ticks and the faux problem of a mouthy, self-important schnook.
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Color me stupid: not seein' the connection between the real problem of bloated ticks and the faux problem of a mouthy, self-important schnook.
Schnook! It's been at least 40 years since I've heard or read that word. I love it! Reminds me of my childhood. I grew up in a relatively Jewish neighborhood.
Because everything about football is blown way out of proportion. A bunch of billionaires hiring millionaires to bleed the taxpayers for more money.
I know you didn't steal that from
Ambrose Bierce, but it belongs with the rest of his dictionary.
It's a good, solid, word...no doubt micro-agggression sensitve, safe-space seekers would look, may look, to have it banned.
Flag-worship is to the Cult of the Omnipotent State the same as relic worship is to other cults. It is ingrained at an early age, before the mind is capable of critical thinking. After that, most people are unable or unwilling to throw out the mental garbage and get their own opinions.
Bravo to those who have the ability to think for themselves and the courage to act, even in the face of tremendous ridicule from the myrmidon majority.
Bravo to those who have the ability to think for themselves and the courage to act, even in the face of tremendous ridicule from the myrmidon majority.
... and/or an insane minority ...
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Him of all people, because of the position he took, because of the attention he brought to the issues. The fact that you don’t even have the decency to go to the poll and activate yourself in this election, as our President said, is a damn shame.
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videostephen a smith
fuck that guy no matter what side of any particular opinion he is on
Kaepernick is just a pussy whipped little girly man. Leave that poor boy alone already, we don't want to make him cry.
After all this noise that you made, even though you didn’t intend to do so, by offending our military service men and women,
That's silliness. It's not the anthem of the military. The services have their own songs. It's the anthem of the whole USA, and he was protesting a domestic nationwide issue.
The view that it doesn't matter which party wins, because they're both bad, is also silliness in my opinion, especially this year. "Both bad" doesn't imply "doesn't matter". But it's a fairly widespread view, and if he does have that view, it's not hypocrisy.
On the other hand, as I said, I do think it's silly, and I agree it's a damn shame. He could have motivated some of the people he inspired to vote, and didn't.
On the gripping hand, that's similar to saying, "if he agreed with me he should have done something else".
fuck that guy no matter what side of any particular opinion he is on
True dat
Originally Posted by stephen a smith
After all this noise that you made, even though you didn’t intend to do so, by offending our military service men and women,
That's silliness. It's not the anthem of the military. The services have their own songs. It's the anthem of the whole USA, and he was protesting a domestic nationwide issue. ...
Military people don't generally find it offensive; but, it's not silliness either.
When the flag is raised and Reveille is played in the morning on military installations; also, when the flag is lowered and Taps is played in the evening, everyone within sight and sound (who's reasonably able to) stops what they're doing, faces the flag (or the direction the sound is coming from) and either salutes when in uniform; or, places their hand over their heart when not. Even if in vehicles, they pull over to the side of the road (much as you would for a passing emergency vehicle) and step out of the vehicle to salute. They also stand for the National Anthem.
It's tradition that stems from devotion to this country and those who have been a part of it, past and present, making it what it is today. It's somewhat like the Muslim tradition of facing Mecca to pray five times a day out of devotion in that they both address the totality of what is being revered.
Military personnel don't expect civilians to mimic their traditions anymore than Muslims expect infidels to mimic theirs. Neither do they expect them to subvert those traditions; however, to protest some part of the whole. I wouldn't go to a sporting event in this country and not stand for the National Anthem anymore than I would go to a prayer session in a Muslim country and not kneel facing Mecca. Those who would do these things are seen by military personnel as small minded and distasteful ... pitiful rather than offensive.
Most all military personnel have some issue with the country they revere just as most all Muslims have some issue with the religion they revere; but, most all rise above it recognizing there's another time and place to address those. The disappointing exceptions ultimately fall by the wayside.
Again, it is silliness to bring up the military in any way in response to his protest. The military has nothing to do with it. Children in schools will stand for the anthem as well, but he's not attacking children.
And all that aside, a football stadium isn't the US military's version of Mecca. The military doesn't own football, any more than they own the anthem.
Again, it is silliness to bring up the military in any way in response to his protest. The military has nothing to do with it. Children in schools will stand for the anthem as well, but he's not attacking children.
And all that aside, a football stadium isn't the US military's version of Mecca. The military doesn't own football, any more than they own the anthem.
Now you're just spewing nonsense. He's protesting America and Americans. The US military is comprised of Americans serving America. They're every bit as affected as all other Americans. They just bring an added perspective to the table.
You've also made a dishonest transition from military men and women being
offended to school children being
attacked. Since when are the words offended and attacked synonymous?
Another dishonest transition is contrasting a football stadium to Mecca in the context of the US military as an organization. The discussion has been about the men and women in the military. For football fans, a football stadium CAN be a Mecca and men and women in the military CAN be football fans.
You present as a been nowhere, done nothing kind of person with contempt for the military. I find your argument to be small minded and distasteful ... pitiful.
Now you're just spewing nonsense. He's protesting America and Americans. The US military is comprised of Americans serving America. They're every bit as affected as all other Americans.
Exactly. That's why it's silly to say that his protest has anything to do with the military.
Your whole point seems to be that there were military people among the people offended by him, and therefore Smith's quote is technically true.
Sure, whatever.
But I didn't say it was a lie, I said it was silly.
Again, Smiths quote was:
by offending our military service men and women,
If all he meant was "some of the people offended by the protest happen to be in the military", why even pick them out? Just to try to glom on to people's respect for the military and attach it to his argument.
Does that phrase apply to
everything one might do that might offend
someone in the military?
I'm sure there are a few members of the military who would be at least a bit offended at being co-opted into this guy's argument.
Now you're just spewing nonsense. He's protesting America and Americans. The US military is comprised of Americans serving America. They're every bit as affected as all other Americans.
Exactly. That's why it's silly to say that his protest has anything to do with the military. ...
Silly are you for leaving the last line off of my paragraph when you quoted it:
Now you're just spewing nonsense. He's protesting America and Americans. The US military is comprised of Americans serving America. They're every bit as affected as all other Americans. They just bring an added perspective to the table. ...
"... an added perspective to the table" means that while it affects all Americans it can have an added effect on men and women in the military which I elaborated on in post [post=973269]#70[/POST]. Reading comprehension.
... Your whole point seems to be that there were military people among the people offended by him, and therefore Smith's quote is technically true. ...
I expressly stated the opposite:
Military people don't generally find it offensive; but, it's not silliness either.
Integrity in representing what others have said has never been your forte.
... But I didn't say it was a lie, I said it was silly. ...
And you were wrong:
... Those who would do these things are seen by military personnel as small minded and distasteful ... pitiful rather than offensive.
... If all he meant was "some of the people offended by the protest happen to be in the military", why even pick them out? Just to try to glom on to people's respect for the military and attach it to his argument. ...
Exactly. Did you figure that out all by yourself; or, did you have help?
Does that phrase apply to everything one might do that might offend someone in the military?
Perhaps to Mr. Smith.
... I'm sure there are a few members of the military who would be at least a bit offended at being co-opted into this guy's argument. ...
I wouldn't be surprised; but, they'll take it in stride just as they do your arguments.
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