The absurdity of Donald Trump
This is another thread that's been a long time coming. Goodness knows, there's a superabundance of material.
Today, Trump said that Hillary Clinton becoming President would be bad, and there's nothing you can do about it.
"By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks. Although, the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don't know."
He's implying that the assassination of Hillary Clinton is an option to keep her from becoming President.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
He'll walk this one back too, just like all the others. "Oh, I was just being sarcastic." Bullshit. He's a menace. There are lots of people who won't read that as sarcasm. Hell, *I* don't read it as sarcasm. It's incitement.
I mentioned it in the "I can't hate" thread. The immediate spin was that he meant the political power of the NRA. But that didn't make sense in context.
It's an interesting politician who you have to take out of context to make sound
better.
No one listening to him draws that conclusion.
These are his own words, out of his own mouth. They're consistent with his other statements. This *IS* the real Donald Trump. There's no ambiguity to his remarks.
The explanations and reinterpretations from others in his campaign, no one's fooled or reassured by their attempts to spin Trump's stream-of-consciousness revelations of his inner self.
... Jesus Fucking Christ. ...
Now you've gone and done it. Now divine intervention will cause The Donald to win just to smite you and President Trump will be
ALL YOUR FAULT! :eyebrow:
Thanks for being our scapegoat. :D
It could be worse. I could run for Mod next January
He's implying that the assassination of Hillary Clinton
No one listening to him draws that conclusion.
classicman, that's a textbook example of misleading the reader by taking a person's remarks out of context to present the impression that the person you've quoted said the thing YOU want said. Not what the person you quoted said.
By the time I was driving home, the spin story being floated to change the impression of Donald Trump's words was that this interpretation was the work the work of the "dishonest media".
LOL
Trump will make a lot of hay with that media stuff, since people can see the media is in the bag for Hillary. They've enjoyed their Donald time as well since feeding that whack job has been paying their bills for months. So now they're in a position where they've created a race between two horrors and they point at the voters like it's their fault and has nothing to do with the way media covers or doesn't cover candidates.
Today in a commentary, I heard a plausible explanation for some of what comes out of Trump's yap.
The Donald is used to talking off the top of head with little thought given to the ramifications of how he says things. He's long been associated with the entertainment industry, even appearing in his own television show where if he said something that would turn off an audience; or, get him in trouble with the censors, no problem. There'd always be somebody there to edit it out for him. Even if something untoward he said made it through editing; or, got leaked - no big deal. In the entertainment industry, any publicity, even negative publicity is good to the extent that it keeps one in the public eye. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
Trump has; however, carried that mindset and his long established habits over into politics. Unfortunately, there's no editing to take care of his faux pas anymore and spin control isn't anywhere near as effective. He's also finding out that, unlike in the entertainment industry, in politics bad publicity is a bad thing that can be one's undoing. Trump is a creature of habit who's used to doing things his way and having others take care of the aftermath for him. He's slow to make the necessary adjustment and consequently his mouth is going to plague his campaign.
Ah well, first world problems of the rich and famous.
the whole shit show is an indictment on our society. That we, as a people are indolent and apathetic enough to allow either of these fictitious characters to represent America to the rest of the world.
Reality TV meets Government is right.
'People' have always been and will always be flawed in that way. One thousand years from now, if still in existence, the story will be the same.
Very well put sexobon.
"We'll fix it in post" -- Sarah Silverman. Just, without the irony. It's abundantly clear that he's had a lifetime of success talking this way, much of it, probably all of it unscripted. And these are his ideas, his words. He doesn't strike me as the kind of person that seeks out the advice of experts, least of all people who tell him what to say. He's had a lifetime of having people reward him with their attention, from near and far, sycophants well represented, I'm sure.
And now we're seeing more of the same. Why fuck with success? But as you pointed out, he is in a different milieu. I think Clinton's observation that we're seeing the "real Donald Trump" is on the money. We're seeing a very candid presentation of what we could expect as POTUS (God help us -- Bloomberg).
There are those who find this candor refreshing, and imagine his outsider-ness to politics as the medicine to cure our political ills. I could not disagree more. Let's follow his logic, but from the other direction. Dear Trump supporter, Hillary Clinton has had a lifetime of public service, never having worked a day in her life in the private sector. So, she's the best possible candidate to step in as CEO and Chairman of the Board of MEGACORP, Inc, that is in bankruptcy, covered in lawsuits, has lost it's market share, has a product line that is old and busted, etc etc. *Because* Clinton isn't tainted by private enterprise, she's the best man for the job here.
Amirite?
No, that's absurd too, but it matches Trump's "logic" precisely, it's just plain wrong.
Taking his remark from the OP, think about this. Why would we want a President that is so reliably bad at expressing what he "really means"? How in the world could this possibly be in our nation's best interest?
To me your analogy is flawed, it's apples and oranges. The President of the United States is[COLOR="blue"]*[/COLOR] the Chief Executive Officer. Candidate Trump has been a successful CEO. Candidate Clinton has not.
The analogy would be that if one could expect Trump, with his megacorp CEO experience, would be successful at running the country; then, OBAMA, with his POTUS CEO experience would be successful at running a megacorp. That's true (but no guarantee). If Clinton wouldn't make a good CEO of a megacorp, she probably wouldn't make a good President. There's more to running a country than foreign diplomacy.
This doesn't mean someone without previous megacorp CEO experience can't learn how to be a successful President on the job. Some have done it.
Nor does it mean that someone without foreign diplomacy experience can't learn how to be a successful President on the job. Some have done it.
Obama had neither megacorp CEO experience nor foreign diplomacy experience and he did it (more or less).
After being situated as President, it would take Trump a heck of a lot less time to go through speech therapy (pun intended) than it would for Clinton to go through business school at a time when the public's focus is shifting more towards domestic development and away from foreign relations except for international trade. Trump would have minions for that.
([COLOR="Blue"]*[/COLOR] Depending on what your definition of is, is.)
It's an interesting politician who you have to take out of context to make sound better.
Review the Oslo Accords. Likud needed them quashed. So Likud used ambiguous statements that sort of called for the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.
Moderates said Likud really did not mean that. They reasoned that a "Jew would never kill a Jew". Meanwhile extremists heard something completely different from the exact same words. And so an extremist did what he heard Likud tell him to do. And considered himself a hero.
Does not matter how Trump's statements are interpreted by others. Those statements are skillfully worded to say completely different things to different people. IOW it clearly says to one, who *knows* Hillary will take away their guns, to kill Hillary. Irrelevant to them that you do not conclude same.
Likud successfully got Rabin murdered by saying one thing to moderates and another to extremists - using the exact same words. Donald Trump (even if he did not intend it) has done same.
Last I heard, Trump still has not said in clear and blunt language, "No one is to kill Hillary - ever." He would say that if he was not doing what Likud did. He has called for Hillary's murder in the same manner that Likud called for the murder of Rabin.
... Last I heard, Trump still has not said in clear and blunt language, "No one is to kill Hillary - ever." He would say that if he was not doing what Likud did. He has called for Hillary's murder in the same manner that Likud called for the murder of Rabin.
Hanlon's razorIf Trump was not encouraging violence, then he would have bluntly told a 'less than 1%' among us that violence is completely unacceptable. He should have defused and discouraged violent types that he has encouraged. He had numerous opportunities to do so. He knows many have interpreted his remarks as encouraging violence. He intentionally avoided what must be said to deter a violent 'less than 1%'. A 'less than 1%' must bluntly be told that violence is unacceptable. Anything less only encourages these 'adults who are still children' to be violent.
He refused to do so as Likud also refused to do; overtly state an assassination is unacceptable. A responsible man would be fortrightly candid: violence is unacceptable. Trump has refused to do that.
Trumps denials are clearly directed at the other 99%. He says he is not encouraging violence. A classic example of obfuscation. He tells the 99% one thing while encouraging a 'less than 1%' to do another.
This same man openly encouraged violence in his rallies. No accident that a 'less than 1%' are encouraged to be violent. He is preaching to the choir. No way around well crafted propaganda.
Does not matter what you think he said. Completely unacceptable is what he told a 'less than 1%' - using the exact same words. He intentionally refused to dissuade that 'less than 1%' when later challenged to do so.
Trump says Obama is the founder of ISIS.
This guy needs better material, better writers. This is *more* shark-jumping by Trump. And he's eating it up, he's loving the attention.
Absurd?
I think so. I'd love to hear a rational re-imagining of his remarks.
Hanlon's razor
The issue with Hanlon's razor is that malice and stupidity are FAR from mutually exclusive.
Tw, that Trump didn't diffuse the situation is a benign character flaw at worst. He doesn't have groupies who are going to kill for him. It would be like saying Black Lives Matter is responsible for any killings by black people. It's conspiracy theory fusion paranoia.
BigV, Trump speaks in hyperbole for publicity. Obama withdrew US forces from Iraq; because, he couldn't get certain concessions in a Status of Forces Agreement. That withdrawal opened the door for ISIS.
Happy Monkey, the sophisticated level of malice being attributed to Trump's Second Amendment people statement, one statement crafted to have different meanings for different target audiences, and stupidity as expressed in Hanlon's Razor ARE mutually exclusive.
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BigV, Trump speaks in hyperbole for publicity. Obama withdrew US forces from Iraq; because, he couldn't get certain concessions in a Status of Forces Agreement. That withdrawal opened the door for ISIS.
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Donald Trump disagrees.
HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.
DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.
HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them.
DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?
HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the mnemonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake?
DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that.
HH: I did. I did. I played it.
DT: I gave her the co-founder.
HH: I know what you’re arguing…
DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that?
HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.
DT: Well, I disagree.
HH: All right, that’s okay.
DT: I mean, with his bad policies, that’s why ISIS came about.
HH: That’s…
DT: If he would have done things properly, you wouldn’t have had ISIS.
HH: That’s true.
DT: Therefore, he was the founder of ISIS.
HH: And that’s, I’d just use different language to communicate it, but let me close with this, because I know I’m keeping you long, and Hope’s going to kill me.
Between you and me, Trump's milk tongue is hyperbole. We agree. But statements like this are an abuse of the language. Yes, he's speaking hyperbolically. Yes, outrage is his jam. But tw hit upon something quite true, that the same words spoken by Trump are heard differently by different audiences. I know this, and I still find him almost incomprehensible. About all I get from his is LOOK AT ME!, self aggrandizement, pomposity, ... It's kind of sickening. What I grok from today's episode of "Orange is the new Blech!" is "HEY! EYES AND EARS HERE! Keep channeling your generalized, simmering dissatisfaction with your life at Obama, it's his fault! And he's the reason you need to be afraid, he's the source, the fountainhead of your fear. I, and I alone, can fix everything. Never forget Trump! TRUUUUMP!!
Trump's a rascal; but, it works for him. Keep in mind that when it comes to the Presidency, Trump can take it or leave it. Hillary has all her eggs in one basket. That's why Trump not only doesn't have to be politically correct, he can be outrageous! If it backfires in the general election, I don't think he'll be too upset.
In the case of ISIS, Obama knew the void in Iraq would be filled. That region has a history of such occurrences. He may have even figured that a rising regional threat would distract key elements in that region from attacking the West by preoccupying them. If creating the circumstances for an organization to come together and thrive can loosely make one a founder; then, that wasn't Trump's biggest stretch. Trump didn't disagree with what I said, he just didn't limit it to that.
Happy Monkey, the sophisticated level of malice being attributed to Trump's Second Amendment people statement, one statement crafted to have different meanings for different target audiences, and stupidity as expressed in Hanlon's Razor ARE mutually exclusive.
It doesn't have multiple meanings. Trump's people had muiltiple explanations after the fact, but it was a joke about killing Clinton the whole time.
When I posted the term Hanlon's Razor, it was in response to tw's post (part of which I quoted) implying that Trump's statement was crafted to have different meanings for different target audiences. You say "It doesn't have multiple meanings." Your disagreement is with tw, not with me. I would suggest you take it up with; but, he probably doesn't want to waste too much time with you either.
Obama withdrew US forces from Iraq; because, he couldn't get certain concessions in a Status of Forces Agreement. That withdrawal opened the door for ISIS.
Even with American withdrawal, Daesh was (should not have been) a threat. But this problem began when officials in the George Jr administration openly declared that Maliki was, well, from the
Washington Post on 3 Jul 2014:
When Maliki was an obscure member of parliament, I was among the very few Americans in Baghdad who took his phone calls. In 2006, I helped introduce him to the U.S. ambassador, recommending him as a promising option for prime minister. In 2008, I organized his medevac when he fell ill, and I accompanied him for treatment in London, spending 18 hours a day with him at Wellington Hospital. In 2009, I lobbied skeptical regional royals to support Maliki’s government.
By 2010, however, I was urging the vice president of the United States and the White House senior staff to withdraw their support for Maliki. I had come to realize that if he remained in office, he would create a divisive, despotic and sectarian government that would rip the country apart and devastate American interests.
Maliki was George Jr's choosen man. George Jr's response to his own staff (who strongly recommended his removal) was to spend 2 hours daily on a video conference to teach Maliki politics.
Eventually Maliki made war with Sunnis and with Sahdr's army. What he did next made Daesh possible in Iraq.
Maliki ... began a systematic campaign to destroy the Iraqi state and replace it with his private office and his political party. He sacked professional generals and replaced them with those personally loyal to him. He coerced Iraq’s chief justice to bar some of his rivals from participating in the elections in March 2010. After the results were announced and Maliki lost to a moderate, pro-Western coalition encompassing all of Iraq’s major ethno-sectarian groups, the judge issued a ruling that awarded Maliki the first chance to form a government, ushering in more tensions and violence.
Does this not sound like the government of S Vietnam? Even Turkmen, Kurds, and Christians were ostracized and obstructed for a deficient dictator's benefit. He consolidated power at the expense of Iraq. What remained was a weak but the only remaining leader.
Worse a legendary Iranian Gen Soleimani, who tried repeatedly to work with Americans in both Iraq and Afghanistan, now had the inside track on Maliki. George Jr successfully converted Gen Soleimani from a potential American ally into an American enemy. Soleimani said so personally by literally saying George Jr blew it.
Maliki was beholden to Soleimani because even Americans said he was a bad leader. Due to Maliki, Iraq was on the verge of a civil war. He even used American supplied M1A1 tanks to arrest Sunni leaders in their homes. A wonderful alliance forged by Petraeus that empowered Sunnis to drive out Al Qaeda was destroyed by Maliki - who only craved power. Maliki needed Americans out or subject to Iraqi laws that Maliki could change at will. As sexobon demonstrated, America had to remove all troops even though Obama did not want to. To protect American servicemen from Maliki.
Daesh sent a few hundred soldiers to attack a prison in Mosul. Daesh often used these tiny 'hit and run' attacks to obtain more recruits. Since Maliki was a self serving dictator who replaced American trained officers with political cronies, then three Iraqi divisions (maybe 30,000 men with artillery and M1A1 tanks) dropped all their weapons and ran from Mosul. Even Daesh could not believe how pathetic Iraq had become. America spend more on training the Iraq army than was spend on America's most expensive weapon system - F-22 Raptor. But we know 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Who would ever suspect Maliki was that incompetent since even George Jr personally trained him?
That is Iraq today. It still has too many incompetent Generals and leaders. Even fewer Kurds with less weapons are responsible for most of Iraq's victories against Daesh. We now live with a legacy created ten plus years ago when we alienated Gen Soleimani and installed an incompetent Maliki. Iraq is now so dominated by incompetent leaders and Sunni-Shia hate that it cannot even retake Mosul without American and Gulf State air power.
What a mess. We put in power what eventually became what even Daesh could only pray for. Apparently Muslims can pray for and get the worst leaders. Daesh exists because we put Maliki in power. And then could not remove him until Daesh threatened to conquer Baghdad.
Every day, I am further amused and confused by Mr Trump. This was a tweet from last night:
"I have always been the same person-remain true to self.The media wants me to change but it would be very dishonest to supporters to do so!"
OK, but your ship seems to be taking on a LOT of water...
OK, but your ship seems to be taking on a LOT of water...
Never ignore lesson from history. That is what educated people said in 1930 Germany. Hitler preached same illogical nonsense. But he was not preaching to logical people. He was preaching to emotionally manipulated people. That is where he got his support - from emotions tied to ridiculous comments. In the middle and late 1930s, the intelligent people eventually succumbed to mostly support Hitler.
Trump does not yet need intelligent people to support him. That is not his target audience. Those will come later - according to lessons from history.
Scary thing is to go to a Trump or Sanders rally. Absolutely amazing the blind an dedicated support - and not one idea what even a Federal Reserve is. They preach soundbytes. Even get angry when confronted by questions that require underlying details. And yes, I saw same blind support among Sanders supporters.
Rather scary. Reminded me of a most Googled question the day after. "What is the EU?"
Unfortunately, we are a world that doesn't like logic and reasoning very often...especially our country. And people only dig in harder when you point out flaws.
Unfortunately, we are a world that doesn't like logic and reasoning very often...
Nothing changed. Well over 60% of all Americans knew smoking cigarettes increased health. Even though a 1950 science study proved conclusively otherwise. 60% of the population is not officer material - then and now. They entertain their emotions up to 'irrefutable' conclusions rather first learning facts before making a conclusion.
Again I cite a perfect example that all long time Cellar Dwellars are familiar with. No facts said Saddam had WMDs. Reams of facts posted here said otherwise. But emotions "trumped" facts. Go figure.
So you're saying we should have given Saddam WMDs, then killed him and taken our WMDs back.
We'll do that next time. Thank you for pointing it out.
Again, sexobon is sexing it the facts. He can't help himself.
Of course you know that we have WMDs at a military base in Turkey. We do that just in case we decide we don't like Turkey anymore. We can say they're after our WMD in their country and invade them. The government got the idea from reading your posts.
That is more than nine months later. Opinions created by sex are denied by those who use sex to justify their actions.
We left some Syrian WMDs behind in Syria too. Not enough for that government to win a civil war with if they find where we left them; but, just enough to say the government held back on us and terrorists might get ahold of them. You never know, we may want to invade Syria when Russia gets tired of playing with it. The US government has been responsive to your insistence that other countries actually have WMDs before we invade and kill their leaders. We've been making sure that, in some way, they have them. Good suggestion.
More sexing up of reality.
If we want to invade Iraq again, we won't need to first ensure that they have WMDs; because, we ensured that they have terrorists instead (ever since Obama founded ISIS). It's nice to have a little variety in rationales for invading other countries. It's a spinoff of your idea so you still get to take credit.
Obama invented ISSS. When does sexing the truth become whoring? Do you really pay for these myths?
Are you having a good time tw? We want you to have a good time.
If we want to invade Iraq again, ...
Third times a charm
Watching all this from the UK I ask myself the one question "Will the American public actually vote this cnut into power", I mean George W was bad enough but fuck me Trump!!!!!!
You cannot be serious?..................:D
Trump and Brexit are the same thing. You guys voted for Brexit. How could you do that?
Just call Trump Mr. Brexit.
Seriously. He wants you to.Trump and Brexit are the same thing. You guys voted for Brexit. How could you do that?
I didn't. Oh and there were plenty of people who bought into the lies. I've had conversations with them. They are still proud of what they did, but a little ashamed at the manipulation. That sausage factory down the road that sends out a lot of smoke? Turns out it is just a sausage factory. Sorry. And all that money which will now be going to the NHS to keep alive sadsters like me? Erm, it's not. But there are a lot of projects which won't be funded now.
In comparison, I can't say I would compare the decision to leave what was seen as a controlling "foreign" power-house is quite the same as voting for a power-crazy xenophobe to lead the country. But blame's like the opposite of really good butter. There's always plenty to go round. I adore my parents, and they voted Out. So I can't really judge the Trumpers harshly.
Even if I want to, because my parents were gullible idiots.
Bless.
Today, Trump said that Hillary Clinton becoming President would be bad, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Hehe if HE becomes pres,IT WILL BE BAD!!
He is a blasted moron.........
He is a moron and Hillary is a hardcore neo-con on foreign policy... pick your poison I guess. Its pretty bad for the humans either way.
:whtblk::blkwht:
Johnson or Stein depending on whether I believe we need government at any given moment. I used to be such a libertarian, the old me would have been salivating at the opportunity presented by these two hideous candidates. I'll have to start boning up on Johnson's policy positions. I would prefer a free society.
Johnson has a flat sales tax plan. So the richer you are, the lower your tax rate.
:whtblk::blkwht:
Johnson or Stein depending ....
Eh hem - we made a deal sir.
If The Donald gets elected, he'll bring to the White House something we really haven't had before. His wife Melania will become the First MILF.
Eh hem - we made a deal sir.
I think we made a deal to vote 3rd party not which third party. :) Johnson is more likely at this time. Either way nobody votes 2 evils.
It does kinda make me want to cry. . .
If The Donald gets elected, he'll bring to the White House something we really haven't had before. His wife Melania will become the First MILF.
A FLILF?
Have we ever had a palindrome in the White House?
Have we ever had a palindrome in the White House?
George Jr rode bicycles. Does that count?
Romney tried to get into the White House with one as his VP. Does that count?
In each case, nobody knew if he was coming or going.
I'll have what he's having.
The Republicans have conceded the White House, siphoning off money from Trump to dump into their gerrymandered districts to retain control of the House.
That would not surprise me. Only 36 districts are considered competitive by the Cook Report...out of 435. Dems would need to win 30 seats to take over...that's a tall order during any cycle.
Long time lurker, sometime reader, longtime since I've posted anything. What a way to return to the Cellar, a thread about Trump. It's been an exciting read so far. That's all I have to say about that. For now.
As Monster says - Trump & Farage?
OMG. I hope the billionaire paid him well to stand there and talk about politics and the little people after he (Nigel) took Euros for years and then quit after Brexit.
I never liked him because of his political bent.
Now I feel it's okay not to like him because he lied, manipulated and feathered his own nest and I could stand in Court and say that.
[COLOR="White"]Also, if he had a cunt, I'd punch him in it.[/COLOR]
Glad to see you checking in Joe. Stick around.
We have an explanation...
Funny.
Speaking of absurd, I watched the last twenty, twenty five minutes of his speech in Greenville NC. It was fractured and difficult to follow. But the strangest part was at the end when he finished with "...and we're going to make America great again (tm)!", the music that played as he waved to the crowd and gave two thumbs up was "You Can't Always Get What You Want" by the Rolling Stones.
WTF?
I am baffled as to the reasoning behind such a choice, an obviously deliberate choice, not a random choice. What is the logic?
"you'll find you get what you need."
Subtle.
Out of character, possible, but subtle.
Today I drove by a truck with a Trump sign--not a bumper sticker, an actual yard sign duct-taped to the tailgate of the truck... just above a Coexist bumper sticker.
This city is so freaking bipolar.
Okay, that is new. A prank maybe?
There is still one Hillary sign on my daily commute, many Trump signs, and a couple Bernie holdouts.
Okay, that is new. A prank maybe?
There is still one Hillary sign on my daily commute, many Trump signs, and a couple Bernie holdouts.
Yeah, but you live in Pennsyltucky. Here's a pic of me at the Luzerne County Fair
Just got back from Wayne County PA and if yard signs there are any indication, Trump wins by a freaking landslide.
Don't be fooled by Pensyltucky that's not where the majority live/vote. the key is Philly and Pittsburgh.
I'm only part way through the article but I'm wondering about the idea that an enormous number of people would watch the debates. I suppose reality tv still exists and Trump supporters are likely to tune in for that and Hillary supporters seem to be in a place where they believe the process and their candidate is real so maybe they will watch two horrible people for three evenings. I don't think this will be a Lincoln / Douglas situation. They argued over how to save a Republic. No this is two jackals over a carcass. Car crashes do get rubber necking but when they start pulling out the bodies I think it'll just make people feel sad and slightly guilty that our generation is the one that quit on the American experiment.
Read a couple paragraphs before I remembered I don't give a shit. But that was long enough to dismiss it:
The debates are far different from the past. In 1960 they represented a great deal of the information people would get about the candidates. TV was a fresh medium, 95% of news arrived at the house in print, and most people had not seen the candidates "live" very often, if at all.
Today we have seen and heard them so much we want to puke, a year before they ever set foot on a debate stage.
In 1960 a lot of people would be moved by the debate as to whom they should vote for. Today that is unthinkable. Almost all people are highly polarized, and almost all of them have decided months ago. Most people will watch because they are interested to see how bad the candidate they don't like is.
I wonder if the tv folk realize how irrelevant they are?
Donald Trump just did a speech in Miami. He said nine false things:
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It has over 10,000 likes, and over 11,000 retweets...
so far.
Well, the three main props of the "Leave" campaign have now been kicked out from under them and exposed as lies.
But people still voted because of those lies. Some intelligent people had their own reasons for wanting Brexit, but many voted because of ridiculous soundbites.
I remember when I was in my early teens, first taking an interest in politics, and it became apparent someone in a very high position of power had lied. I don't even remember who it was or what he'd done. I just remember being so confused. When people were "exposed" in Enid Blyton books, or even on Scooby Doo, no-one ever believed them again and they were officially Bad People. Then I learned how the real world was much more broken than that.
I don't know the facts about the above post re Trump. But I do believe he is a liar. Okay, it helps that his politics are pretty much opposite mine - you always want to believe the worst of those people. But I find him scary.
Bit of British politics:
I do not approve of Theresa May's politics. I would not vote for her as Prime Minister - although we don't vote for party leaders here. But if we have to have a Conservative in Government, she's probably the best of a bad bunch. I don't think she's corrupt. I admire Jeremy Corbyn (Labour) for his vision, but he's the wrong man at the wrong time. Far too divisive. And I'm not sure I trust him either. I think he's been sneaky. I was right about Keith Vaz. Nothing wrong with rent boys and drugs if that's your bag. A lot wrong with lying and hypocrisy. Bring back Tony Benn (RIP).
It's sad that the true visionary MPs are the real constituency MPs and don't make it off the back benches.
And a quick shout out to Greg Mulholland (Liberal Democrat), for whom I voted. He holds a surgery here in the library, which drives me crazy because of the noise, but I see a great many people walking out happier and more reassured than then they walked in.
He holds a surgery here in the library, which drives me crazy because of the noise,
What is a surgery, in this context? In the US it would mean a doctor in an operating room with blood and scalpels.
What is a surgery, in this context? In the US it would mean a doctor in an operating room with blood and scalpels.
In the UK a 'surgery' is where you go to consult your doctor (GP).
It's a somewhat confusing term as surgery isn't carried out there at all, with the possible exception of a small number of very minor procedures.
Members of Parliament make themselves available for constituents to consult them at various locations, and have borrowed the term, so refer to these sessions as 'Constituency Surgeries'.
One has always said "Doctor's Office" in the states, but mine has transformed itself into a "Health Center". I guess I like that? There's more than doctors there, there's a whole slew of labs and stuff my insurance won't let me use.
But I do believe he is a liar.
He's a public pandering, narcissistic, racist jackass who knows nothing about politics, which is about .5% less than me.
I can't add anything to what Carruthers has said re surgery. I have no idea where the connection is - perhaps originally a place of consultation?
I also cannot add anything to what Sellers has said. Except he is doing himself down in that comparison.
I can't add anything to what Carruthers has said re surgery.
Just lower your bonnet and move on. No reason to do any surgery.
Except he is doing himself down in that comparison.
How? All I said was that Trumpzilla knows even less about politics than me, and I don't know much about politics myself. Letting the other Dwellars know my lack of an abundance of political knowledge is
my choice.
The Economist now (17 Sept 2016) has an expression for wacko extremists that routinely lie - and are respected for lying.
The Philippines, which has one of the world's best recent records on economic growth, has elected a Trumplestilskin ... Rodrigo Duterte. There isn't a fixed lump of "instability" to be distributed around the globe. At the moment political turmoil is on the rise across most of the world.
Mr Trump's shtick should not be working. In part, that is because he has repeatedly made appeals to bigotry since entering the race more than a year ago. It is dismaying to see so many Americans either nod in agreement or pretend not to hear what he is actually saying. To be still more blunt, to anyone with their critical faculties undimmed by partisan rage or calculation, he is obviously a con-man. He is a self-styled billionaire who will not reveal his tax returns and claims credit for acts of charity that others funded. He is a portly 70 year old who likes to insinuate that Mrs Clinton is in desperate health while declining to reveal his own medical records. Then there are his promises to restore American greatness if elected president ... In a country long used to fibbing candidates and policy platforms constructed out of flim-flam and magic money, Mr Trump breaks new ground. ... Just start with the businessman's most famous promise, that he can make Mexico pay for a 2,000 mile border wall which will stop both illegal migration and drug smuggling: a nonsensical claim that reliably provokes roars of delight at Trump rallies
Trumplestilskin defines the intelligence level of Trump supporters. These same people also voted for George Jr. But a con-man Trump has out done those lies and "breaks new ground". These same type people became brown shirts in the 1930s.
"Surgery" (UK) = "Office Hours" (USA). Usually only used by medics and politicians, but sometimes by academics (I suspect a tad tongue-in-cheekily). and I think also by people like counsellors (e.g. debt, employments, legal) who offer free advice to those needing help. Neither politicians nor Medical Doctors work in the same way in the two countries, so there really is no direct translation, but I believe this is closest.
Thank you. I hadn't considered the connections - the Citizens Advice Bureau* have surgeries too, visiting libraries and other public places.
*ETA - a volunteer-led agency which help people with things like debt, simple legal advice and legal rights. Free of charge.
"I did try and f--- her," Trump tells Bush in reference to a married woman, while acknowledging he was unsuccessful. "I moved on her like a b---- but I couldn't get there," Trump says. Later in the video, as Trump and Bush spot Arianne Zucker — who The Post says was there to escort them to the set for the segment — the real estate mogul says: "I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her," adding that he immediately starts kissing "beautiful" women when he encounters them.
"I don't even wait." Trump says. "And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything — grab them by the p----."
In a statement shortly after the video's release, Trump dismisses its importance.
“This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago," the GOP presidential nominee says. "Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course — not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”
Really, dude?
The absurdity of *this* episode is that many (many) people will just consider this part of what they LIKE about Trump. How is this ok? Guys, hm? You've said worse, I have too. I'm ashamed now, and I wouldn't repeat that shit. I haven't and wouldn't say such things in front of my son. And my daughter? Fuck that shit--no fucking way. I KNOW there's no father here that would tolerate anything like this if it involved their daughter. How can it be OK for any other daughter?
Trump will never be President of this nation.
Doesn't seem to have ruffled the religious right much.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/evangelical-leaders-shrug-at-donald-trump-s-lewd-comments.html
I think after this election we can completely ignore and dismiss the evangelical vote and any moral pretenses they make. If we didn't know they were hypocrites before, their continued support of Trump despite his desire to be Crotch-Grabber-in-Chief has illustrated it with flying colors.
Jon Huntsman called for him to step aside.
I've maybe said worse when I was a youth. Don't really remember. I know I have heard worse, but I was with my adolescent buddies and not making small talk with a freaking stranger on a bus as an adult. If Trump will say this stuff as small talk on a bus with a stranger he is only briefly meeting for business, what does he say to his closest confidante?
I saw an article last week about at least three women who have accused him of rape over the years. The first two, including an ex-wife, dropped their complaints when he paid them hush money. But the third has a court case that is still going forward and there was a witness to that rape.
Safe to say the dude is not like you or I.
Scary part are the 40% of Americans so easily brainwashed as to love this guy. He can insult everyone like a school yard bully. And they love him. He can promote changes to the laws that only enrich the richest. They love him. He can insult women - and they love him. He can disparage based in race, ethnicity, immigrants, other allied nations, religion - even the handicapped. And they still love him. No wonder so many love the massacre of almost 5000 American troops in Iraq for no useful purpose. It says how many adults are still children. It demonstrates that brainwashing works. Trump could kill anyone in a stadium in front of 50,000 worshipers. And not be convicted. Because so many adults are that much children. Once they *know*, then Trump can say or do anything - and they love him. It is the definition of brainwashing.
George Wills recently rescinded his Republican party affiliation due to people who now dominate the party. Due to the lowest intelligent people who now openly demanded other Republicans support The Donald. George Wills is a lifelong and adamant Republican. He would periodically sponsor dinners attended by all major right wing Republicans. Because their hate and child-like ignorance is so dominant, even George Wills quit his party.
Republicans are doing today what Nazis did in late 1920s and early 1930s. Only more intelligent Republicans see this serious and dangerous problem. And have spoken out publicly.
Scary is how 40% are so easily brainwashed by The Donald's rhetoric. That (and not The Donald) is the scariest part.
I just listened to NPR's Weekend Edition where they were interviewing Mr. Reed...He of the "Family Values" set...
While condemning Trump's remarks as both a Christian and a father, he then immediately defended Trump as the only candidate who would be anti-abortion, appoint conservative Supreme Court judges, and generally support those family values. You get the feeling they'd vote for the Prince of Darkness as long as he aped his support for Family Values well enough.
The cognitive dissonance is scary.
The Donald - I Can Grab That
Can grab that
Can grab that
Can grab that (oh-oh oh oh oh-oh-oh)
Can grab that (oh-oh oh oh oh-oh-oh)
My-my-my-my libido makes me so hard makes me say oh my Lord
Thank you for blessing me with a name for fame and two right brains
It's good when you know your power
A horny rich-boy from the Tower
Oh your bod is fab
And that is a piece uh I can grab
I tell you pretty thing I can grab that
Yeah that's how we're livin' and you know I can grab that
Look in my eyes pretty thing I can grab that
You know let me touch those lovely curves I can grab that
Give them a kiss or a squeezin'
Making 'em want me that's what I'm giving 'em
Now they know when you talk about The Donald
You talk about a man who's hype and trite
Lovelies are struttin' I make passes all night
Or a grope to show 'em what it's gonna take
And now I'm gonna grin
The players either play hard
Or they might as well quit
That's the word because you know
Can grab that (oh-oh oh oh oh-oh-oh)
Can grab that (oh-oh oh oh oh-oh-oh)
Break it down
(Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh oh-oh)
(Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh oh-oh)
It's Donald time
Every time you see me The Donald's just so hype
I grope all around with magic fingers that they like
Now why would I ever stop doing this
With others makin' small talk they're just twits
I cop feels 'round the world from London to the bank
It's Donald go Donald
It's The Donald yo Donald come with me and play
Can grab that (oh-oh oh oh oh-oh-oh)
Can grab that (oh-oh oh oh oh-oh-oh)
Can grab that (oh-oh oh-oh-oh)
Yeah I can grab that
I told you I can grab that (oh-oh oh-oh-oh)
Too hyped gotta grab that
Get me in there I can grab that
(Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh)
I look forward to looking back at your lyrics, sexobon. I read through, and they're up to your usual high, wry standards. But I just can't laugh at this yet. Perhaps as gallows humor.
Jon Huntsman called for him to step aside.
I like John Huntsman. He's got
some company. Makes me think about the range of tolerance for bullshit slash distaste/hatred/abhorrence of Clinton.
Some people can take a LOT of shit; we all can, to some degree, but jeebus.
Makes me think about the range of tolerance for bullshit slash distaste/hatred/abhorrence of Clinton.
Most people have spent their adult life hearing insults of "Hilary". We all know who preached that one word expression - Rush Limbaugh.
Brainwashing works. Over 60% of Americans knew smoking increases health. A classic example of brainwashing. Hearsay that exists for decades creates brainwashing. A majority of Americans will deny a subconscious belief hammered by Limbaugh propaganda. One need not ever listen to Limbaugh to be influenced by his propaganda. Because brainwashing works when repeated constantly for years.
Hold someone to facts about Hilary - they have none. They will recite a mantra. Because brainwashing (since 1990) works. Because a majority unfortunately make decisions from their emotions - not from facts.
Mantra: a repeated word, sound, or chant to facilitate a spiritual power and a transformation of consciousness. Also called brainwashing. It works on people who make conclusions based in their emotions.
Scary are many who still worship The Donald.
Trump is so scary and ignorant that even George Wills resigned from his party. Even John McCain rescinds his support. This week demonstrates who were recruited by Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Cheney, Ingraham, et al to the Republican party.
Scary is not Trump. Scary are Americans that are so easily manipulated. That should alarm so many Cellar dwellers in Australia, Europe, Canada, and elsewhere. I am surprised how many outside America have remained so silent. Trump supporters are that scary.
... Brainwashing works. Over 60% of Americans knew smoking increases health. A classic example of brainwashing. ...
... Scary part are the 40% of Americans so easily brainwashed as to love this guy. ...
Hey, we're down to only 40% brainwashed! That's much better than the British who are at 52% (voted for Brexit). Only in AMERICA! What a great country with such promising people. No one else can pretend to know better than us.
You can put getting it down to 33-1/3 percent on your bucket list. Then we'll have a 2/3 majority who aren't brainwashed and can run the country any way they want right about the time you drop dead.
Ask not what your country can do for you, but ...
Hey, we're down to only 40% brainwashed! That's much better than the British who are at 52% (voted for Brexit).
It doesn't matter, but 37.44% (17,410,742 of 46,501,241) of those eligible (not all of them British) voted for Brexit.
Yours is the percentage (38) reported here as being for the Scotts. For all British it's been 51.9%. i'm so sorry.
Would the "No" side of "Should Scotland be an independent country'? with 2,001,926 (55.3%) voting against independence and 1,617,989 (44.7%) voting in favor; also, be correct?
Yes, that seems accurate.
I think about this thread from time to time. Like on the half hour. . .
I just can't keep up. It would be easier if it were a ticker or the crawl at the bottom of your screen.
My OMFG meter keeps breaking. Words fail me.
The Mooch is gone before SNL even had a chance... Sad!
It is all a little surreal.
It is like some strange sci-fi dystopia come true.
For too long we watched our politicians sitting around doing nothing. We felt that we weren't getting anything for our money. Now we watch them running around like chickens with their heads cut off ... doing nothing. We're still not getting our money's worth; but, if we don't find our politicians enlightening, we should at least find them entertaining. Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus was closing its doors just as the Trump Whitehouse was opening its. We Americans have impeccable timing.
The idea behind this thread has long ago been swamped by the antics of the thread's subject. Still, he manages to surprise, surpassing his own dubious records with
comically juvenile statements like this:
“North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the ‘Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times,’” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter. “Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!
Yes, yes, Mr President. We *know* you have a button, it's the one the leader of the DPRK is jumping up and down on. You can't be shamed, but you damn sure can be baited.
Unfortunately, this is the kind of coocoo horseshit a segment of his base wants. As much as you and I enjoyed No Drama Obama despite his failings some folks prefer [strike]bluster[/strike] constant fucking bullshit. They wanted a disgusting individual and we all get him.
You're shortchanging those who just wanted to see more of Ivanka.
An excellent short read on the
Decline of Anti-Trumpism.
The anti-Trump movement suffers from insularity. Most of the people who detest Trump don’t know anybody who works with him or supports him. And if they do have friends and family members who admire Trump, they’ve learned not to talk about this subject. So they get most of their information about Trumpism from others who also detest Trumpism, which is always a recipe for epistemic closure.
David Brooks remains one of the great analysts of his industry. His conclusions routinely include interesting twists in what must always exist to have knowledge - the reasons why.
Having said that, he forgets to mention an example of his first point:
First, people who go into the White House to have a meeting with President Trump usually leave pleasantly surprised. .. They generally say that he is affable, if repetitive. He runs a normal, good meeting and seems well-informed enough to get by.
So did Hitler. First impressions (also called emotions) are deceiving. Hitler was popular because he did what Trump does. He was a raving maniac to his less educated supporters. And he carefully manipulated the informed with effective spin and reasoning combined with strategically appropriate and well practiced insults. That has always been a Trump trump card.
George Jr's administration did same. But did not have to learn how to work around their president. George Jr rarely made decisions. He could not even get out of the child's chair in FL as planes were crashing into the WTC. He waited to be told what to do.
Trump would not do that. He would recklessly strike out unless his subordinates told him how to think before he could have an emotion. That is David Brook's second point.
SUCK IT, LIBERALS.
Trump. Doesn't. Literally. Have. Alzheimer's.
signed, Ronny/Ronnie Jackson
and the members of the "low bar-setting" committee
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Number of days until impeachment?
Number of counts in the indictment?
Trump's weight.
A little heavy for his height; but, that's due to his massive brain.
lol Trumps reported weight. The key thing is to lie about little things and big things alike.
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Then Pence will make Trump a pleasant memory. :eek:
When The Donald leaves office, Ivanka will become our first female President. She'll only be in her forties; so, she won't have lost her looks yet and she'll have the dirty old man vote locked in.
Then, comes the apocalypse: ... "Nations go to war over women like you. It's just a form of appreciation." ...
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Just seven more years.
Every time there’s a Hillary sighting my gut verifies that.
Just seven more years.
Regardless of whether he could win a second term--you think he'd sign up for it again? It seems obvious to me that he hates the job.
But which is stronger, his distaste for the job, or his inability to accept that he could have a successor?
He's already predicted his 2020 victory ~ which is, you know, exactly what he would do ~ so it holds no bearing. But still.
He was announcing to the acolytes he would make himself available.
Trump has 2020 foresight; whereas, most people will have only 2020 hindsight.
He's so smart.
I know Trump doesn't type these up... But for fucking fuck's sake...
Coulda been weird news, funny political pictures, but I find it absurd.
Non-union printer. :rolleyes:
Printer probably figured it was "Good enough for government work." Could happen to anyone.
Looked up "uniom" and found it's a word in Polish, the plural of unia (union).
Sending more work overseas?
Not screening immigrant Polish printers carefully enough to prevent linguistic terrorism.
He's already predicted his [color=black]2020[/color] victory ~ which is, you know, exactly what he would do ~ so it holds no bearing. But still.
Well everyone who went against Trump is now pretty much busted as a rapist.
1. Russel Simmons.
2. Bill Cosby
3. Insert another liberal celebrity here . . .
Also try googling Hilary Clinton and Jordan Belfort (The real one). On who they made the 'Wolf Of Wall Street' movie on. I vote Trump if I could vote in American elections.
Well everyone who went against Trump is now pretty much busted as a rapist.
Brainwashing is easily accomplished and still works.
Well everyone who went against Trump is now pretty much busted as a rapist.
I vote Trump if I could vote in American elections.
*This* is interesting.. Why?
I know Trump doesn't type these up... But for fucking fuck's sake... Coulda been weird news, funny political pictures, but I find it absurd.
This is why the baby Jebus invented proofreaders.
* [SIZE="1"]Said a freelance proofreader.[/SIZE]
Trump has 2020 foresight; whereas, most people will have only 2020 hindsight.
With your permission, Ima steal this!
With your permission, Ima steal this!
English words are free and in unlimited quantities. How can one steal what nobody owns?
The interesting thing to me is Bush Jr. Why did he start off low and then do better and better until he dropped again in 2004. Why was 2003 so high?
He was very unimpressive at the beginning of his term, so that makes sense that early 2001 was low. But then we had 9/11 and his subsequent war on terror, so I understand the bump up in 2002. But why so high in 2003? And then the massive drop off in 2004?
War... what is it good for... ratings.
It's the "highest number in history" if he takes a move from Caesar's playbook and says the calendar starts over with him.
The interesting thing to me is Bush Jr. Why did he start off low and then do better and better until he dropped again in 2004. Why was 2003 so high?
Other factors also apply. He did tax cuts. That means an immediate short term benefit that a majority blindly believed because rhetoric and half truths proved it. Followed many years later by a significant downturn.
That was predicted here (with reasons why) back then before those cuts were enacted. Cited were how all previous tax cuts that also resulted in a recession years later. Money games routinely create bad things many years later. A lesson we all should learn from today's tax cut for the rich. By 2004, the George Jr tax cuts were starting to contribute to a massive recession. Even the stock market was in constant downturn. People finally realized the myths were lies.
Meanwhile, in 2003, lies and rhetoric to promote war were peaking. Posted in the Cellar was:
"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice.
We know all but Powell were intentionally lying to promote an unjustified war. They also constantly mocked and bad stabbed Powell who kept trying to restore sanity. As noted, "what is it good for ... ratings".
Starting in 2004, realities of a Mission Accomplished war first became obvious even to the many who drank the KoolAide.
By June 2004, Bremer had created an insurgency so massive that he could not even drive 5 miles from Baghdad to the airport (to evacuate Iraq). He also had to fly out secretly on a tiny jet. The insurgency intentionally created by Bremer, Rumsfeld, et al was that massive. Every informed American had realize we were about to sacrifice in Iraq (what turned out to be) most of the 5000 Americans for no purpose.
Every year after Mission Accomplished, reality demonstrated how much George Jr (actually Cheney) had lied blatantly and with total disregard for all American servicemen.
First an overwhelming majority of the informed saw it in 2004. Every year after that, more and more Americans realized how much and intentionally those George Jr people lied - for their own self serving reasons.
2004 is when secret torture and other Nazi like practices were finally coming to light. List of reasons why George Jr went downhill so much (and rightly so) are quite long. Above are but three.
Yeah, no. Most people didn't care about any of that evidenced by the fact that he got reelected anyway. What sunk his popularity was his goofy daughters in the news. People were paying attention to that kind of stuff. Exhibit A:
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The interesting thing to me is Bush Jr. Why did he start off low and then do better and better until he dropped again in 2004. Why was 2003 so high?
He was very unimpressive at the beginning of his term, so that makes sense that early 2001 was low. But then we had 9/11 and his subsequent war on terror, so I understand the bump up in 2002. But why so high in 2003? And then the massive drop off in 2004?
It was likely the whole hanging chad SC situation.
Posting from phone..
Just noticed that Andrew McCabe has been fired.
He's with the FBI, and he's publicly announced his retirement effective Saturday. Tomorrow.
Why fire him today?
To fuck up his pension.
This is not really *absurd*but it is 100 percent shitbag.
Thanks Trump.
Thanks Trump.
How many who voted for Trump are finally apologizing?
About the same as the number of Clinton supporters whose attitudes got her defeated that learned their lesson.
How many who voted for Trump are finally apologizing?
They are so brainwashed they cant see it...
I HEARD A SHEEPLE ON A PHONE THE OTHER DAY YELL OUT "DONALD TRUMP IS A GREAT PRESIDENT" -- Oh my,I wanted to vomit!!!!!!!!!!
Posting from phone..
Just noticed that Andrew McCabe has been fired.
He's with the FBI, and he's publicly announced his retirement effective Saturday. Tomorrow.
Why fire him today?
To fuck up his pension.
This is not really *absurd*but it is 100 percent shitbag.
Thanks Trump.
Interesting. Yet another Trump administration top advisor/agency head/long-time government employee that he's fired without actually looking them in the eye and saying "You're fired."
Very admirable. Pure class. Incredible bravery and courage in a difficult situation.
Everyone says so.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure you want to go out on a limb for this guy.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure you want to go out on a limb for this guy.
:p:
President Trump is just an analogue man in a digital bureaucracy.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure you want to go out on a limb for this guy.
Saying that it's a dick move to fire someone the day before they retire is hardly going out on a limb.
If the guy who was fired was being a dick and thought he could escape consequences by going into retirement, the golden rule is in effect.
Saying that it's a dick move to fire someone the day before they retire is hardly going out on a limb.
Firing someone for a fire-able offense on the recommendation of the Inspector General is not necessarily a dick move (granted Sessions is by and large a dick). When the IG's report is released, we'll have a better idea. Even assholes do the right thing now and again.
link to NYT stating recommendation by IG
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/andrew-mccabe-fbi-firing-recommendation-justice-department.htmlAs an independent voter, I want Trump out as badly as anyone because he is obviously corrupt and a threat to the Republic. This does not excuse Democrats when they do things that undermine the integrity of the various departments. I recognize that some in the GOP are actively trying to undermine public confidence in the Justice Department. My confidence is bolstered when an internal review recommends that neither party be protected from the truth. We can come out the other side of all this with integrity intact.
As an independent voter, I want Trump out as badly as anyone because he is obviously corrupt and a threat to the Republic. This does not excuse Democrats when they do things that undermine the integrity of the various departments. I recognize that some in the GOP are actively trying to undermine public confidence in the Justice Department. My confidence is bolstered when an internal review recommends that neither party be protected from the truth. We can come out the other side of all this with integrity intact.
I agree with this whole statement.
It's *still* a dick move. It is completely in character for Trump.
Most of all, I feel the show of it is far more important to Trump, and I think he's probably right in that regard. Why now I ask. If the report's been circulating for a while, why now? I've also read that the report hasn't even been completed yet, if so, why fire him now?
I'm looking forward to reading the report when it becomes available. The dribs and drabs I've read make things sound like there's a much different standard being applied, depending on how much Trump likes or dislikes you.
THAT'S the skeeviest part. I don't want either party to be protected from the truth ;neither do I want our government enacted by only the very best toadies.
No offense UT..
The dribs and drabs I've read make things sound like there's a much different standard being applied, depending on how much Trump likes or dislikes you.
Dribs and drabs imply propaganda - only leaking what they want to admit.
It is an old Donald trick. Leak out misinformation and lies. By the time those lies are exposed, he has moved on through two or three other lies. So nobody notices he lied again.
Or assumes he lied again unless you belong to his base.
Dribs and drabs imply propaganda - only leaking what they want to admit.
It is an old Donald trick. Leak out misinformation and lies. By the time those lies are exposed, he has moved on through two or three other lies. So nobody notices he lied again.
Correct.
#likeabrokenclock
The term is "Gish gallop".
"Gish gallop".
Excellent contribution.
Or assumes he lied again unless you belong to his base.
Still cruising along at what 43%? He is virtually untouchable. His base thinks it's a coup attempt. Good thing this country is full of AR-15s.
Still cruising along at what 43%? He is virtually untouchable. His base thinks it's a coup attempt. Good thing this country is full of AR-15s.
Hey Hey Mr Toupee. Who is it you fired today?
Well most of the 'war should never be a first and only option' advisers are now gone. McMaster was famous as a Captain in Desert Storm for leading nine tanks in the destruction of all 28 Iraqi tanks. Ted Koppel (Nightline) defined this first tank engagement in the Battle of 73 Eastings.
McMasters also wrote a doctoral thesis and later a scathing book detailing top management in the Vietnam war that was more than 85% responsible for that disaster.
This is the kind of officer that creates victories because, in part, he is not bombastic. Since negotiations always result in greater victories. Being intellectual, then Trump (who never even reads books) would eventually hate him.
43%? Are that many Americans so obviously anti-American?
Trump will replace McMaster with one who openly advocates war as the first and only solution. Who openly endorses torture. Whose entire life is never about consensus (which is the job of a National Security Adviser). Who, like Trump, knows without first learning facts.
Replacing Tillerson and McMaster with right wing wacko extremists who even openly endorse Nazi style torture makes war a likely certainty. Since both advocate attacking others without provocation. Both have openly endorsed unilateral attacks on North Korea using the same pompous rhetoric that they approved of and promoted in Mission Accomplished.
Honestly, I'm way more concerned about Iran than NK.
Honestly, I'm way more concerned about Iran than NK.
The Iran problem is solved if Trump and the extremists do not screw it up.
The North Korean problem was solved long ago by Jimmy Carter - until American extremists screwed it up. And then George Jr used diplomacy (his axis of evil speech) to subvert that entire solution.
An Iran situation was also being solved. Iran was actually working as an American friend to attack and conquer the Taliban. That solution was also destroyed by the "Axis of Evil" speech - given by a most evil one.
From PBS Fronline:
In November, Secretary of State Colin Powell shook hands with the Iranian foreign minister, Kamal Kharrazi, at the U.N. headquarters in New York City -- a simple yet historic gesture that seemed the most tantalizing hint of rapprochement between the U.S. and Iran since the Islamic revolution and the hostage crisis in 1979.
But on Jan. 29, 2002, in his State of the Union address, President George W. Bush branded Iran and its "terrorist allies" as part of "an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world." And on Jan. 31, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice summed up the administration's position on Iran. "Iran's direct support of regional and global terrorism," she said, "and its aggressive efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction, belie any good intentions it displayed in the days after the world's worst terrorist attacks in history."
How dumb were we (because of George Jr and people who elected him)? The Iranian situation was solved multiple times. Then wackos screwed it up. Bolton (a lover of Nazi style torture) was one who openly wanted us to invade Iran and North Korea. Which is why Trump likes him. And apparently will screw everything up but again. When will he give his axis of evil speech?
Always learn from history. Extremists even in the Cellar will deny all this because it contradicts what their propaganda sources have ordered them to believe. And because they use emotions rather than facts from history to know otherwise.
Dexter Filkins details what has long been known in the New Yorker on 30 Sept 2013. Yes, this reality has been known for that long.
In the chaotic days after the attacks of September 11th, Ryan Crocker ... flew discreetly to Geneva to meet a group of Iranian diplomats. “I’d fly out on a Friday and then back on Sunday, so nobody in the office knew where I’d been,” Crocker told me. “We’d stay up all night in those meetings.” It seemed clear to Crocker that the Iranians were answering to Suleimani, whom they referred to as “Haji Qassem,” and that they were eager to help the United States destroy their mutual enemy, the Taliban. Although the United States and Iran broke off diplomatic relations in 1980, after American diplomats in Tehran were taken hostage, Crocker wasn’t surprised to find that Suleimani was flexible. “You don’t live through eight years of brutal war without being pretty pragmatic,” he said. Sometimes Suleimani passed messages to Crocker, but he avoided putting anything in writing. “Haji Qassem’s way too smart for that,” Crocker said. “He’s not going to leave paper trails for the Americans.”
Before the bombing began, Crocker sensed that the Iranians were growing impatient with the Bush Administration, thinking that it was taking too long to attack the Taliban. At a meeting in early October, 2001, the lead Iranian negotiator stood up and slammed a sheaf of papers on the table. “If you guys don’t stop building these fairy-tale governments in the sky, and actually start doing some shooting on the ground, none of this is ever going to happen!” he shouted. “When you’re ready to talk about serious fighting, you know where to find me.” He stomped out of the room. “It was a great moment,” Crocker said.
The cooperation between the two countries lasted through the initial phase of the war. At one point, the lead negotiator handed Crocker a map detailing the disposition of Taliban forces. “Here’s our advice: hit them here first, and then hit them over here. And here’s the logic.” Stunned, Crocker asked, “Can I take notes?” The negotiator replied, “You can keep the map.” The flow of information went both ways. On one occasion, Crocker said, he gave his counterparts the location of an Al Qaeda facilitator living in the eastern city of Mashhad. The Iranians detained him and brought him to Afghanistan’s new leaders, who, Crocker believes, turned him over to the U.S. The negotiator told Crocker, “Haji Qassem is very pleased with our coöperation.”
The good will didn’t last. In January, 2002, Crocker, who was by then the deputy chief of the American Embassy in Kabul, was awakened one night by aides, who told him that President George W. Bush, in his State of the Union Address, had named Iran as part of an “Axis of Evil.” Like many senior diplomats, Crocker was caught off guard. He saw the negotiator the next day at the U.N. compound in Kabul, and he was furious. “You completely damaged me,” Crocker recalled him saying. “Suleimani is in a tearing rage. He feels compromised.” The negotiator told Crocker that, at great political risk, Suleimani had been contemplating a complete reëvaluation of the United States, saying, “Maybe it’s time to rethink our relationship with the Americans.” The Axis of Evil speech brought the meetings to an end. Reformers inside the government, who had advocated a rapprochement with the United States, were put on the defensive. Recalling that time, Crocker shook his head. “We were just that close,” he said. “One word in one speech changed history.”
Could the George Jr wackos have done any more to screw it up? Notice how The Donald is replacing educated people with many of the same wackos. In part, because Fox News tells him what to think. (The Donald does not read books.) How many educated people were fired or quit just this week?
Every responsible person in the Cellar should know this internationally known story. Suleimani remains a legendary leader of the Quds and is probably now a if not the most powerful person in the Middle East. He could have very easily become an America friend if not for a wacko extremist (dumb, uneducated) George Jr administration.
(How many forget that Ho Chi Minh five times ask for Vietnam to become a protectorate of the US. Same wackos wasted 50,000 American lives uselessly there. How many Nam Vets are appropriately angry about that. Learn from history.)
Same wackos destroyed an entire North Korea solution that was made at great risk and courage by North Korea's Fatty Two (Kim).
Wars are averted by international diplomacy followed by trade. A president so dumb is doing everything to destroy both all over the world to make America a first, a second class power. He wants war. He is so dumb (educated only by a propaganda machine called Fox News) that he does not even realize he only wants war.
The North Korean problem had been solved until wacko extremists destroyed it. The Iranian problem was solved twice. And again, wackos are doing everything they can to destroy it.
Meanwhile Putin is successfully playing chess with Trump at the expense of America. Where did North Korea get all those rockets and nuclear technology? Where is the Taliban suddenly getting so many weapons?
Which theater is a greater danger? Easily debated. But both dangers exist only because so many Americans vote for people who don't even read books, have low intelligence, ignore history, and are driven only by their political extremist agenda inspired by a big dic mentality. IOW they are not moderates so they are anti-Americans. We are expected to suffer even in our schools, infrastructure, influence, an already decreasing number of friends, economic power, military power, and, well we are raising generations of militaristic inspired youth who have no idea what once made America great. A military and wars did not do that. Diplomacy and free trade do.
Which is a greatest threat? Iran? North Korea? Actually it is Trump and the people who tell him what to think (Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Bolton, Fox News, and the wackos who voted for him).
Because he is so dumb, so anti-American, and so egotistical - from the NY Times of 29 Mar 2018 -
The Trump administration is expected to launch an effort in coming days to weaken greenhouse gas emissions and fuel economy standards for automobiles,
Anyone with basic technical knowledge knows innovation (not enriching the central committee - top management) made America great. But Trump only campaigns to people so dumb as to even want carburetors, leaded gas, $120 tune ups every three months or 5000 miles, massive NO2 clouds, annual wheel alignment, and lower gasoline mileage.
We know why technologies required by EPA standard made innovators relevant and wealthier. EPA requirements massively increased auto reliability that even required fuel injection, no more lead, and electronics ignitions (meaning all cars after 1970s needed no tuneups).
Trump hates innovation and other factors that make America great. So now wants to stop all innovation in automobiles. Because he is preaching to people (supporters) so dumb as to be told (and believe) that is good.
Even a 70 Hp per liter engine, stifled in America by people so much like The Donald, is necessary in all cars. Innovation and EPA standards even forced crap automakers such as GM and Chrysler to innovate. Trump wants to fuck that over. Profanity only resevred for those as evil and dumb as a leader of 1940 Germany. Another wacko extremist.
As much as you and I enjoyed No Drama Obama despite his failings some folks prefer [strike]bluster[/strike] constant fucking bullshit. They wanted a disgusting individual and we all get him.
Griff, dear fellow: are you really going to state you'd want the Unindicted Felon over somebody who has done more to keep the Bill of Rights than the last three Democrats at the helm combined?
Fortunately, I'm smart enough to appreciate the mouthy blowhard for the libertarian things he's managed to do, and which the Unindicted Felon would never do, because the statist Democratic Party would be inconvenienced. As a Libertarian, I say if you inconvenience, even infuriate, just one statist every day, you're doing the Republic a lot of good.
Right. Out of date sig. Edited.
So... 70hp per liter displacement. Brief google on such terms. Oh, lookee... on this list -- a Dodge, two Cadillacs, and a Chrysler, all in the top ten of a list of cars doing 70hp/liter or better. These models do not seem remotely remarkable -- and this list dates from 2004. Where have you been these fourteen years since, tw? Apparently your neurotic mentality prevents growth, or -- anything, really. I am glad that I disagree with you.
1. Honda S2000: 240hp/2.2L = 109hp/L
2. Mercedes-Benz CL65: 604hp/6.0L = 101hp/L
3. Dodge SRT-4: 230hp/2.4L = 96hp/L
4. Honda Accord: 240hp/3.0L = 80hp/L
5. Nissan Maxima: 265hp/3.5L = 76hp/L
6. Nissan Altima: 250hp/3.5L = 71hp/L
7. Cadillac CTS: 255hp/3.6L = 71hp/L
8. Cadillac CTS-V: 400hp/5.7L = 70hp/L
9. Toyota Camry: 210hp/3.0L = 70hp/L
10. Chrysler 300C SRT-8: 425hp/6.1L = 70hp/L
11. Kia Spectra: 138hp/2.0L = 69hp/L
12. Pontiac Grand Prix: 260hp/3.8L = 68hp/L
13. Ford Taurus: 201hp/3.0L = 67hp/L
14. Chevrolet Corvette: 400hp/6.0L = 67hp/L
15. Chevrolet Aveo: 103hp/1.6L = 64hp/L
16. Chevrolet Impala SS: 240hp/3.8L = 63hp/L
17. Dodge Viper: 500hp/8.3L = 60hp/L
18. Pontiac Bonneville: 275hp/4.6L = 60hp/L
19. Chrysler 300C: 340hp/5.7L = 60hp/L
20. Chevrolet Malibu: 200hp/3.5L = 57hp/L
21. Ford Crown Victoria: 239hp/4.6L = 52hp/L
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f19/horsepower-per-liter-comparison-6726/
And some other none-too-special-grade factory models coming only a little short of the 70hp threshhold, which may be quite arbitrary, the better to utter micro-bitchery about. As of, I repeat, fourteen years ago. Where is any reason to suppose there has been falling back from 70hp/L? There is no reason to assert there is or was an active effort to hold power per displacement down on the part of Big Government (my fave swearword, isn't it?), Big Labor, Big Auto -- or Big Anybody, really. Technological advance ignores both conspiracies and conspiracist thinking.
My own vehicle is an example: a 2008 VW with the 2.5L normally aspirated engine, 177hp: 78.8hp/L. Heh, not bad. My mechanic thinks it's a terrific engine too.
Welcome back Urbane Guerrilla.
This should be interesting.
Welcome Home Urbane Guerrilla.
wow ... Urbane Guerilla ... how ya been, man?
How ironic. Spend massively on GM's top luxury car. Only get performance that was routinely found in foreign cars after 1992. Cadillac performance is equivalent to that in a 2002 Toyota Prius. So what is the point? Intentionally ignoring glaring facts can justify a bogus conclusion and personal insults?
Apparently personal insults (and hate promoted by Nazis, White Supremacists, and the KKK) in the tradition of Donald Trump is now acceptable behavior. Why would anyone have so low self-esteem as to associate themselves with Trump?
That VW engine is simply what should now be standard in all cars. It also says why cars have long not required 6 or 8 cylinders. Today's 4 cylinders are doing that once required big block V-8s. And therefore last longer.
Hopefully the life expectancy of a Trump administration will be worse than the life expectancy of obsolete technology V-8s.
FBI raids office of Trump's lawyer.
Shit just got real.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dipping into his criminal network here. Shit did just get real.
The war is in Syria? Which one? Turkey vs Kurds? Daesch vs everyone? Syrian government vs rebels (a civil war)? Iran verses who? Russians verses anyone who is against Assad and not allied with Turkey or an American/Saudi/Gulf State coalition?
Well, somebody used illegal chemical weapons. So the belligerent party is defined as Syria. So why is Trump warning Russians that "nice, new, and smart weapons" will attack in 24 or 48 hours?
Are Russians the enemy - or Assad?
How to put US servicemen at greatest risk? And compromise the effectiveness of 'new, nice, and smart' weapons? Destroy the element of surprise. How dumb is that?
Well he only tweeted what he was last told - by Fox News. Then later in the day, apparently, the Generals had a pissy fit about his stupidity. And rightly so. How much dumber could Trump be.
So the 48 hour attack is off. Last persons he talked to apparently were intelligent people (still in his administration). You can tell. His attitude is now completely different. Just wait until he is told what to think tomorrow morning by Fox News.
Meanwhile, intelligent administration officials are trying to find cover for The Donald's belligerent ideals. Looking for allies to join in an attack.
How dumb was his previous attack? Well over $60million of weapons were wasted attacking obsolete aircraft and putting a few holes in runways (that were fixed that day). Even shelters for those obsolete planes were not destroyed. Large (complicated) machinery and tanks necessary to mix binary ingredients for Sarin gas - untouched.
That attack was to placate extremists whose penis get big when weapons are launched. It punished almost no one. Well it did kill six people. That would be over $10 million per dead person. And the bio-chemical equipment remained intact - untouched. And obviously observed by Russians also clearly stationed at that base who certified that all bio-chemical weapons had been removed.
How will he top last year's 'big dic' action? Russians have implied they will attack American ships if that missile attack occurs again. Did an 'all talk and little action' Trump back down? Whether he did or did not - on the world stage, he clearly did back down to Russian threats.
Trump weighs rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership amid trade dispute with China
WOW.
Now, I know we're in the time of Fake News, but this sounds ... well, this sounds fake too, but only because it's 180 degrees from Trump's own position a year ago. Trump saying all things on all sides of all issues at all times isn't fake news, not even news news. But still... wow.
President Trump ordered top administration officials Thursday to look at rejoining the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the sprawling trade pact he rejected three days after taking office.
The move would mark a stunning reversal for Trump, who sharply criticized the pact as a “disaster” and made opposition to global trade deals a centerpiece of his economic agenda as a candidate.
--snip--
Thursday’s order comes as Trump pushes forward on a chaotic revamp of the United States’ approach to global trade, seemingly veering from trade wars one day to multinational pacts the next. He has gone from assailing Canada and Mexico to saying he’s within striking distance of renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement. He has both pilloried China and praised its leader, Xi Jinping.
But no reversal has been more extreme than his new flirtation with the TPP. His comments were so unexpected that White House officials, lawmakers, business groups and others weren’t sure whether Trump had made a calculated overture or if it was another whimsical idea that he would cool on soon.
:bonk:
As to the absurdity perspective, who the fuck would want to enter into a deal with him?!?! His only constant is change. How can you count on anything he says, what will he do? HA! What *won't* he do?
We're watching a narrow minded man, surrounded by yes men his whole life, suddenly being forced to take other perspectives. His brain must be a damn twitchy mess by now.
Now, I know we're in the time of Fake News, but this sounds ... well, this sounds fake too, but only because it's 180 degrees from Trump's own position a year ago. Trump saying all things on all sides of all issues at all times isn't fake news, not even news news.
This is classic Trump. He thinks based upon his feelings in a past afternoon or hour. He clearly has no game plan or objectives - other than to promote himself. Which is why he even went before the Boy Scouts (as President) repeating his campaign speeches and promoting himself to Boy Scouts. (Tillerson was furious.)
More of this thought now come from Fox News. Especially from the morning TV show. You can all but guess what he is thinking by propaganda promoted on that morning TV show. Notice that is where he gets most of his replacements. Clearly not from doing any research.
Hell, he does not even read books. So where does he get intelligence (knowledge) from? From the part of the brain found in children - his emotions. Tillerson had it right. It was like babysitting a kid - who is also a bully.
What did Fox News tell him to believe today?
Opening act.
He's just warming up. "Obstruct justice for me, I make the penalty you suffer go away.". He didn't even know Scooter Libby, and he's willing to do this. It's pure messaging.
... So the 48 hour attack is off. ... Russians have implied they will attack American ships if that missile attack occurs again. Did an 'all talk and little action' Trump back down? Whether he did or did not - on the world stage, he clearly did back down to Russian threats.
Heh, heh heh, enjoying your comedy here.
We're watching a narrow minded man, surrounded by yes men his whole life, suddenly being forced to take other perspectives. His brain must be a damn twitchy mess by now.
Howdy, everybody. [waves]
Trying to tell anybody Trump is not, er, cosmopolitan seems to me a mug's game -- pretty much like any other act of autohypnosis. Twitchy is the very thing I am not seeing. Sure, The Donald isn't the slickly articulate creature we might like to see and hear -- though tonight's speech was a good piece of warfighting rhetorical art, well executed -- but what of it? Does his machinery clatter? -- yes, it does, and a lot. The results, however -- ? Despite all the downtalking from the expected quarters (that these possibly otherwise intelligent people think The Unindicted Felon would have been a better choice is simply appalling; do these people have any idea how stupid they are or sound?), the results keep adding up to favorable. Favorable to the American republic, that is. That's a refreshing contrast with the previous guy, who was a socialist and an anti-American at heart -- with the unstinting support of one American major political party.
Hmm. The
otherwise intelligent need to be fully intelligent, not just spottily so -- or too much of the national conversation is given over to idiot-savants.
Well, I stopped voting Democratic a while back. Anyway --
The guys you should be giving a listen to at least occasionally, so your thinking could never be mistaken for tw's unless tw astounds us by coming around, would be Sean Hannity, Mark Steyn, Larry Elder, Mark Levin, and some others. Particularly Levin -- formidable.
Apparently personal insults (and hate promoted by Nazis, White Supremacists, and the KKK) in the tradition of Donald Trump is now acceptable behavior.
You accept that behavior; you indulge in it hourly, without pause for breath, let alone for meals. It is observable, after this gap of years, that you are beyond a
little bitch. I dub you therefore Micro-Bitch, to more nearly describe your neurotic badness of temper -- and your lifelong substitution of intemperate verbiage for action, either heroic or despicable.
Remember from this hour forward:
all insults are personal to you, for you suck them to you like a Shop-Vac, and like that vacuum, store them up in your cylindrical belly.
Inventiveness -- well, that's mine. What you merit through your words and actions, that you shall receive. Best not to continue your plaints. But you don't know that, and wouldn't care to.
Something else we should remember about auto technology: General Motors, or Big Auto:
It's been noted that GM was never hit with an antitrust suit -- but for decades on end, GM behaved as if it were in mortal fear of being so. A culture, rather than a smokefilled-room conspiracy, grew up of Chevy not outdoing Pontiac too hugely (in dollars, I think, not so much cars off the lots), and Pontiac not crushing Dodge, and so on round and round the GM ambit. That is, competition was not pushed à outrance; that spice was missing from the mix.
Innovation comes through competition, and is the more stimulated the more intense the competition is. GM thought it found reason to avoid that, when perhaps a more cutthroat approach might have been nearer the ideal for service to the end users, the customers.
But who needs any conspiracy when you have the subtler debilitations of a culture? It doesn't even have to be consciously recognized by anyone, insider or out.
I expected the above kind of fallback argument to appear, that tw might salve his ego; again, tw does not seem to sufficiently recognize a) this power density dates back fourteen years and there's nothing at all to say it doesn't date farther back yet, and b) we bought that VW for 14Kdollars if I remember. Not exactly big auto money; not an especially low price either. The vehicle, used, had very modest mileage on it. It now wants some work done on its valve cam timing -- we won't know if it's just the cam gear or if it's the timing chain (a quite critical component, and timing chains or belts are durable but they aren't immortal and the car now has 155 K miles on it) until our mechanic goes in there.
Well, I stopped voting Democratic a while back. Anyway --
Thank you for the reminder. I just changed my registration to Democratic.
The good news is Chelsea loves you. The bad news is Ivanka hates you. If looks were everything, it'd be bad news all around.
At least now you'll have the opportunity to get someone in who might actually win (as opposed to Billary) by voting in the primaries.
But what happened to being Independent? You never know, another Lincoln may come along to unseat Trump.
Howdy, everybody. [waves]
Hi back! You've been missed. Let's get back on track.
I want to say at the outset that I have two posts. One is a response to your ad hominem attacks on dwellars. The other addresses your take on the political news, in this thread and in others.
They overlap considerably, and I find that unfortunate. Your attacks on the people here are really just a petty distraction, though at times they can be very petty and very distracting. I have little desire to engage you there. But you also use that tactic when discussing matters I find interesting and important. Still distracting, still petty.
They belie a weakness, an unsoundness to your arguments. Giving Hillary Clinton the label "The Unindicted Felon" is just cheap name calling. Obviously you could use her name, or her title "Secretary", those are descriptive and non pejorative. But you don't. Why don't you? I think it's because you dislike her and also because you have a mean bent. But that bend gets in the way of your arguments, reducing their persuasiveness to any not already swimming in your kool-aid. Of course I've seen this from you for years, and I try to edit it out so that I can more clearly see what you're trying to say. This is difficult for me and often I'm left with only a pile of insults among the scraps. The lacy remains of your argument can easily be seen through.
Y'know, maybe you could give us a TL;DR executive summary of your take at the beginning of these flames. I appreciate your writing, you're as mean and cutting as the best of them. But I'm also interested in hearing the ideas from someone who "stopped voting Democratic a while back". Not just the clickbait--I can get enough of that shit from Hannity et al. Show me your work. I struggle to know what's outside my bubble. You, you are outside my bubble. And I can hear you. I want to know what you have to say.
The good news is Chelsea loves you. The bad news is Ivanka hates you. If looks were everything, it'd be bad news all around.
At least now you'll have the opportunity to get someone in who might actually win (as opposed to Billary) by voting in the primaries.
But what happened to being Independent? You never know, another Lincoln may come along to unseat Trump.
Yeah not a big fan of Chelsea or Ivanka,it's about the primaries.
Innovation comes through competition,
So GM repeatedly ran to government to get protection - so that innovation could remain stifled. And then those innovations appeared in patriotic American vehicles from Mercedes Benz, Hyundai, Toyota, BMW, Honda, Nissan (once called Datsun), and others.
Once they stopped running to the government for protection, then Ford also began to innovate. But they have a long way to go to catch up.
The 70 Hp per liter engine was ready for production in GM in 1975. But stifled until patriotic companies were selling it starting about 1992. They innovate because they have competition. GM has a repeat history of running to government for protection AFTER innovation terminated sometime after 1970. Facts are indelible.
This time Trump (apparently) listened to his generals. It appears a pin prick finally attacked something significant - a research facility for bio-chemical weapons. And the command center that launched those weapons.
Also interesting are what Russians did. They were told what airspace would be used. Russian air defense systems apparently did nothing. Implying that Russia is also pissed at Assad for using bio-chemical weapons. And appreciates what the attackers did to protect Russians.
Not attacked were sites that store binary components. Binary because those components are not that dangerous until mixed with the other binary agent. If Russia, et al was really denying those weapons existed, then attacking them (and resulting deaths) would have to be explained. We can assume those storage and loading facilities were not attacked because Russia (or Iran) tacitly admitted (not openly admitted) those facilities exist. Therefore resulting deaths could not be justified. If denials fully existed, then those facilities (and resulting deaths) were fair game.
Anti-absurdity.
It makes some of his other remarks previously absurd sounding, less absurd sounding by adding this context. OF COURSE, he wants to have it both ways--"you can't reveal my name, I decline to consent to be named since I have attorney-client privilege" AND SIMULTANEOUSLY "I never retained Michael Cohen in any traditional sense". Fucking typical. These rules don't apply to me.
That might be the end of Sean Hannity.
This is fucking surreal man.
Guys, c'mon now - you've had your fun. It's been a proper giggle, and no mistake. And, we were all having a lovely time watching the incredulous gaze of the world at large turn away from our Brexit and towards the White House (seriously, our politicians are strolling about the world engaged in serious diplomacy and hardly anybody is laughing at them) ... but come on now. This is serious - like, seriously serious.
Time to admit it was all a gigantic hoax.
Time for the President to stand on the White House lawn, unzip the latex suit and peel off the fake flesh to reveal Obama, big grin on his face yelling, 'Surprise, Motherfuckers!'
I wish it was. Some times I dream about what it would be like if Bernie had won,but he didn't stand a chance Hillery really is crooked. And Trump is a nut case.
I enjoyed this perspective from Charlemagne ("Tha God") from last night's Colbert (relevant portion starts about 2:20):
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That might be the end of Sean Hannity.
I doubt it; his audience won't care, and failing to disclose a conflict of interest isn't the type of scandal that typically would lose advertisers.
In the age of Trump, the "Freedom" caucus is writing up articles of impeachment against Rob Rosenstein?
Sure, look over here, look over here, never mind the fool behind the curtain. :rolleyes:
I think Bill Mahar is a pompous ass, but he nailed it on this one...
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I think Bill Mahar is a pompous ass, but he nailed it on this one...
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I agree on both counts.
Wow, he nailed it. No fan of BM either.
I had a moment yesterday when rational thought started to slip away, driving behind a Trump truck while the news from Gaza was on the radio. We really need to take away this guys toys.
Oh for Christ's sake... :facepalm:
Just keep throwing shit on a wall until something sticks.
Yeah. That sure looks like a broad spectrum of politicians to me. /s
Pruitt seems more absurd than Trump.
He apparently asked his aide to
look into buying an old mattress from Trump's hotel.
Montafort is going to
jail.
Montafort is going to jail.
Keryx is beside her self with glee.
I'm just afraid these con-men are going to evade prison in the long run. We don't have a great history of prosecuting and imprisoning connected people.
The thieves of private property pass their life in jail and in chains, those of public property in riches and luxury. - Cato the Elder
I think we should all light a candle for Mueller.
Philadelphia Eagles (Super Bowl champs) never took a knee during the National Anthem. And did not stay in the locker room. Does not matter. The Don is so full of hate as to disinvite them to the White House. He accuses them of disrespecting the flag and anthem.
We know what the patriots did during Nam. They disrespected the flag - burned it. We all know they were right. The Vietnam war and those promoting it were wrong. Correct were the many who burned the flag. Even the Supreme Court said they could do so.
But The Don is a tyrant. Tyrants cannot accept contrary facts.
How curious that so many close advisors are under invetigation for criminal activity. We must go back to Nixon to see so much corruption.
The Don is saying he can exonerate himself. Ironic. Nobody has accused him of a crime. How Freudian? Apparently he is so guilty as to post a criminal defense - long before accused of any crime.
We don't have a great history of prosecuting and imprisoning connected people.
Nixon was a crook. But so many refused to acknowledge what was so obvious. It took a Senate Committee - and no television for weeks - all TV stations only played the Watergate Investigation live for weeks. Eventually a majority conceded that Nixon was a crook.
A majority - and still so many refused to admit it. That defines a wacko extremist. One knows from their emotions without first learning facts. Then continue to deny even after facts expose that emotion as erroneous.
Same wackos still defended Nixon even as his adminstration feared he was mentally ill.
Anyone asking about mental fitness of The Don?
But The Don is a tyrant. Tyrants cannot accept [Strike]contrary[/Strike] facts.
Fixed that for ya.
Fixed that for ya.
I was not going to go that far. Because sometimes both facts can be contradictory. A leader should know how to analyze both facts to find a common ground. Yes, The Don routinely cannot (does not) do that. In part, because every conclusion is always about him - not about facts or in the interest of the nation.
From the Economist of 19 May 2018:
In 2015 Jeb Bush ... warned that Donald Trump would be "a chaos president'. In many respects he has been proven right. President Trump has failed to keep many of the promises he made on the campaign trail. The White House leaks like a colander. The administration has suffered rapid turnover while weathering scandal after scandal. Mr Trump often appears capable of remaining on-message for no more than 280 characters.
But ineptitude and inconsistency are not quite the same as inaction. ...
Mr Trump has consistently approved of harsh punishment [ie torture] and disliked due process. In 1989, after five black and Hispanic teenagers were accused of raping a white woman in Central Park (wrongly it turned out), Mr Trump took out a full-page advertisement in four New York newspapers that screamed, "Muggers and murders should be forced to suffer, and when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes." ... He believes America's method of prosecuting terrorists - gathering evidence and building a provable case - to be "a joke and .. a laughing stock."
He also believes that America is beset by violent crime. ... In February 2017, Mr Trump claimed that America's murder rate "is the highest it's been in 47 years. In fact murder and crime in general are much rare than they were in the 1900s. ... In his home town of New York, crime has fallen for 27 straight years ...
Well there are isolated places where some crimes have significantly increased. That means one must view all facts - not just the propaganda heaped out by Fox News and Morning Joe. Since they forget to mention that crime is down throughout the western world (not just America), then it must not be true? Yes, he cannot learn; intentionally ignores facts so as to always promote The Don.
So why would he lie? Fake news sources tell him only what he wants to hear. And then he will ignore facts that do not promote himself. It is better to bad mouth all previous Presidents. Since that gets wacko extremists to love him. And that (just like Milosevic and Hitler) is how one obtains support and power from the least educated. Preach to the Brown Shirts. Since they will automatically believe what they are first told.
Tyrants cannot accept contrary facts. In The Don's case, sometimes he will not accept any facts - especially when facts do not promote him and disparage someone else.
He says he can pardon himself - when nobody has said anything about prosecuting him. A contrary fact that exposes his Freudian guilt. Nixon was not even this naive, conniving, manipulative, and corrupt. So many supported Nixon even after Nixon was clearly proven to be a crook - and used the same reasoning to justify crimes. Same people also love The Don for similar reasons. Because he lies to only promote himself.
When will he trade in for a new wife? This model has problems; has been in the repair shop too long. Time for a new wife.
Today's Faux narrative involved the Eagles. My Ball and Baby Howie shut it down. If the news makes you mad at your fellow Americans check the facts.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-eagles-players-kneel-anthem/He will say anything to make a deal. Since he must be promoted - not us.
He did not even bother to consult the DoD, Japanese, or S Korean when he agreed to suspend necessary military training games. His contempt for military knowledge so miniscule as to say those were unnecessary. His contempt for allies and DoD made obvious by his concession that got nothing in return and only promoted himself (to his supporters who have no idea how much damage he did).
He also agreed to no American nuclear weapon deployments. That means US warships and attack aircraft could deploy to or even visit Korea. Since those can carry nuclear weapons. And we do not say what does for obvious security reasons.
What did he get in return? A promise that N Korea would discuss nuclear disarmament. Not commit - only discuss. Without even any commitment to confirmations.
No problem. He is the deal maker. His concessions will be ignored. His image is intact - to those who only know what they were told to believe.
Apparently Kim actually does have a gameplan. Step one. Get the Americans out of Korea. Then American influence (now diminishing in the South China Sea) will be replaced by China. Trump has made regional American allies to seriously worry. They are second guessing if Trump will sacrifice them as he already has all other America's best allies (ie G6).
Why does Trump have no friends? It should have been obvious when he was insulting every other Republican in debates for the Republican nomination.
Trump's agenda - promote himself first and his family second. This year, Ivanka and Kushner are now reaping massive profit increases - $87 million in this past year.
Some here will have so little grasp as to cheapshot this poster rather than admit these realities. Those are insatiable Trump supporters.
South Korea has been getting uppity. Time to cut the apron strings. Time for them to take care of themselves.
That Ivanka is still looking good, she deserves a pay raise.
Trump the deal maker. He managed to get the same vague promises that previous presidents have gotten from Kims, and all he had to do was whatever Kim asked for.
And then he announces Mission Accomplished.
“There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea,”
You haven't figured it out yet?
He's going for a Nobel Peace Prize.
If Obama could get one for doing nothing more than raising hopes, Trump figures he can get one for that too.
The thing is, Obama raised hopes by "not being Bush". Trump is aiming for "worse than Bush", which might play well for his base, but not for the Nobel committee.
That's when he sends Ivanka over to sweet talk them.
Pimping out his daughter aside; they're already in Norway. Nordic beauty is named after them.
If that doesn't persuade them, there're always trade tariffs (as long as they don't mess with the canned sardines).
I do find it a little weird that everyone's wringing their hands over what Trump agreed to. When has Trump ever followed through on an agreement he made? The consequences of being known as a liar in international politics are certainly something to worry about, but in the short term, there's no way any of those concessions will actually happen.
Besides, we can get out of any agreement Trump makes by pleading diminished capacity for him. There are advantages to having a wild card in office.
I do find it a little weird that everyone's wringing their hands over what Trump agreed to. When has Trump ever followed through on an agreement he made?
He just did - he agreed to escort Kim to the world stage and lavish praise on him.
As for anything else he promised, yeah. No reason to think he or Kim will follow through on anything else in the "agreement".
When has Trump ever followed through on an agreement he made?
He respects his promises routinely whenever it promotes him and when it throws others under the bus. He routinely executes promises that screw others. So he has lawyers such as Cohen. He breaks agreements that do not entice his ego or increase his wealth.
No accident that Ivanka and Kushner are reaping increased profits ($87 million) due to their family in government. Just another example of where The Don's interests lie. We are simply a convenience.
He will not break promises to Putin - if that is not yet obvious.
He promised to destroy the TPP. He promised to attack and tarriff trade with all major American allies and trading partners. He only withdrew on promised harm to Chinese trade when they threatened to make him look bad. He is avidly destroying NAFTA - as promised. He promised to give tax cuts to the rich.
He promised to take a first step in abandoning America's support of N Korea. Only reason he will not do that is if it hurts his image.
"Pittsburgh Post-Gazette owner ordered the paper to run an editorial defending president on racism charge."
From John R Block, owner of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
Reason as racism: An immigration debate gets derailed
If the president is wrong on immigration - on merit, on finding a balance between skilled and unskilled immigrants, on chain migration, on the lottery - let his opponents defeat him on these points, and not by calling him a racist. If he is to be removed from office, let the voters do it based on his total performance - temperament as well as accomplishment - in 2020. Simply calling him an agent of the Russians, a nutcase or a racist is a cowardly way to fight.
We need to confine the word "racist" to people like Bull Connor and Dylann Roof. For if every person who speaks inelegantly, or from a position of privilege, or ignorance, or expresses an idea we dislike, or happens to be a white male, is a racist, the term is devoid of meaning.
He forgets that America's most productive people include immigrants - skilled and unskilled. Why do so many Nobel Prize winners come from the City College of NY? Because unskilled immigrants (legal and illegal) are some of the most productive Americans. Hate is to even condemn immigrants because they came to be educated. Those uneducated (until they get here) immigrants traditionally are some of America's most productive people. 50% of America's top 500 companies are founded by immigrants.
It is racist to hate people because they are uneducated. Just like Bull Connor, Dylan Roof and David Duke.
His racist rant even forgets that Trump refused to condemn Nazi, KKK, and White Supremacists in Charlotte. Since those who hate typically are Trump supporters.
After his hate editorial was published, more than a dozen Block family members condemned John Block's editorial. They said his editorial did not represent their values or that of William Block Sr. - the paper's owner for six decades. Block's editorial, "published on Martin Luther King Day, printed without the Post-Gazette editorial board's consensus, and attempting to justify blatant racism, is a violation of that legacy."
We must constantly cite Trump's racist attitudes (inspired by his ego) today so that patriotic Americans (the moderates) will vote the shithole out in 2020. Block so loves Trump - and his hate.
Public profanity has and must increase. Since Trump routinely used such hate and insults to even undermine other Republicans during those Presidential primaries. That low brow discourse is loved by anti-Americans - the least educated Americans. This shithole president - who trades in wives as if used cars - is that despicable. Even Nixon was a more honorable man. Even Nixon was not a racist. Trump is.
"United States [should] take immigrants from an overwhelmingly white country such as Norway rather than "shithole countries" like Haiti or in Africa." My relatives who are Norway citizens (everyone) even found that to be a racist Trump.
Reported by Politico at:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/trump-pittsburgh-post-gazette-editorial-shithole-346845
The Newspaper Guild of Pittsburgh ... said ... it was "collectively appalled and crestfallen by the repugnant editorial."
"As a matter of course, the Guild does not weigh in on editorial positions, but this piece is so extraordinary in its mindless, sycophantic embrace of racist values and outright bigotry espoused by this country's president that we would be morally, journalistically, and humanly remiss not to speak out against it"
A wacko extremist owner refused to publish their letter - probably because of the honesty. News (reporting all sides) must be replaced by personal opinions - just like Pravda did in the Soviet Union. No wonder Trump (and Block) think so highly of Putin.
Admitting one might be wrong must never happen when extremists promote their hate agenda. A moderate (a patriot) would have published that letter - to provide honesty and context. An anti-American (a wacko extremist) must not so as to protect his political agenda.
A wacko extremists does not first learn facts. He is an expert because his emotions (extremist political biases) tell him what to conclude. These are examples of adults who are still children. Facts be damned.
But then his wacko extremism (a classic supporter of Trump's hate even of American allies) continues.
I think Trump is racist, but Block has a good point. Just calling Trump racist is not the way to dispute or discredit his position on immigration.
Perhaps that is politically true, ie, a counterproductive argument given prevailing attitudes in certain demographics, but legally you can't form policy based on racist motivation. Even if you find an excuse that isn't directly tied to race. It's too easy (and common) to find some other factor that correlates well with race, and claim that you're basing the racist policy on that.
... Block has a good point. Just calling Trump racist is not the way to dispute or discredit his position on immigration.
It is called a straw man. Only Block would tie both together. Trump is a racist. Which is completely different from another problem he has - he promotes hate of immigrants. Those are two separate issues once we ignore Block's spin.
Even Block's family speaks out against him.
Maybe hate of immigrants he can't make a buck off, but I wonder how much is pandering to his base?
... but I wonder how much is pandering to his base?
That is his long history. He throws shit against the wall. Then parrots anything that sticks. All part of promoting Trump; not America. So his delivery to organizations (ie Boy Scouts, NRA) sounds like campaign speeches promoting his personal successes. And how others are evil. He is not cerebral like a leader. He grovels to the emotions of his audience.
He has no interest in promoting American trade and industry. He discovered support from many who can be goaded into destruction of trade as if that is good. Since that shit sticks to the wall.
Trump was convicted in a court of law of writing a C on the applications of black residents to his building(s) in New York. He's a straight up racist.
That's apparently a value now.
Trump was convicted in a court of law of writing a C on the applications of black residents to his building(s) in New York. He's a straight up racist.
What is your source for that?
The New York Times,
The Washington Post, and even
Wikipedia say that matter was settled out of court without any admission of wrongdoing by Trump.
That's apparently a value now.
So Trump wrote his own grades on his school report card?
What is your source for that?
The New York Times, The Washington Post, and even Wikipedia say that matter was settled out of court without any admission of wrongdoing by Trump.
My bad, I got his other convictions mixed up with this one. Should have said he was charged in a court of law with a giant stack of white-vs-minority applications plus witnesses as evidence, and played the rich guy card.
You can argue that shaking things up is a good thing in the long run; you can argue that the ends justify the means. But the dude's still a racist.
Didn't say he wasn't. Just didn't want to have to start calling you Clotwobble.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette now knows we must be protected from free speech. So Block made Burris an editor. Then this editor began censoring political comics from their long time political comic Rogers. These comics are too dangerous to read - according to wacko extremists Block and Burris:
That's nice; but, this isn't the Funny Political Pictures thread old timer. Seems like you're just trying to fill up space to bury this page as though you're playing a trump card, so to speak. That's why you can't get on Trump's list: you're too much like him.
Those pictures clearly demonstrate how extremist this American nation has gone. Moderates were once 60% of America (ie even in Congress). We are now a tiny minority. Wacko extremists (leftist and mostly extreme right) are a greatest threat not only to America. But to the economic and political forces that once made this world so safe and stable. Wackos fear those comics.
Each comic fully applies to the topic of this thread. Because wackos have so much power as to censor even them.
The president supports Nazi, White Supremacists, and KKK in North Carolina. Once that would have been despicable. Today, due to wacko extremist (also called the Tea Party), criticism of those anti-Americans is condemned. No longer widely condemned (except outside America) are those anti-Americans.
Learn from history - ie 1930 Germany.
tw=trump wannabe
I need more hair.
Stop and smell the roses: today, June 19th, is World Sauntering Day.
So now there's talk that Trump may make an executive order to stop the family separation at the border, despite his earlier claims that the Democrats had to make a new law to do that.
My prediction: his executive order will be deliberately unconstitutional so he can 'prove' that the judges are forcing him to do it.
People are speaking out.
from...
Now, in the span of about 24 hours, all four living former first ladies have added their voices to the chorus of public critique, calling the practice “immoral,” “disgraceful” and a “humanitarian crisis.”
Even the current first lady, Melania Trump, took the somewhat unusual step of issuing a statement that appeared to align somewhat with her predecessors, while also avoiding assigning partisan blame.
from...
Hundreds of United Methodist clergy bring church charges against Jeff Sessions
from...
In what Facebook is calling its single largest fundraiser ever, a couple from Silicon Valley raised more than $10 million to help reunite migrant families being separated at the border.
The issue has created a national firestorm about the Trump administration’s immigration policies, with many calling the separation of children from their parents at the southern U.S. border barbaric.
Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families over a six-week period.
When Charlotte and Dave Willner created the "Reunite an immigrant parent with their child" fundraiser on Facebook Saturday, the goal was to raise $1,500 for the Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (Raices), which is the largest immigration legal service provider in Texas. The fundraiser has gone viral since then, and at one point it was raising $4,000 a minute.
Trump must have hit "the wall" (pun intended) if he actually backs down from a position due to public outcry. Elections in 5 months? I don't think we'll forget "babies in cages" so soon, but hey I could still be surprised. 'Murica
From...
Southern Baptists Call Off the Culture War
America’s largest Protestant group moves to cut ties with the Republican Party and reengage with mainstream culture.
“The generational shift happening in the SBC has thrust the group into the middle of an identity crisis,” says Barry Hankins, the chair of the department of history at Baylor University and co-author of Baptists in America: A History. “The younger generation thinks differently than the old-guard Christian right about culture and politics, and they are demanding change.”
The base may be eroding.
I heard that Trump wants to legally bring in boatloads of North Korean migrants with work visas, as part of his deal with the North, to compete with the illegal Mexican migrants and drive them out.
From...
...
The base may be eroding.
Credit where credit is due. Trump may have done something good.
It feels like folks on the fence are starting to figure this guy out, but crying kids with brown skin only solidifies the base. I wonder how the polling numbers will look?
Anybody else piss off their racist relatives this week?
My father has wisely not mentioned the name Trump, or anything to do with national politics, in at least six months. All he has left to rant about is how California is going bankrupt because of those dang California liberals. One of these days he'll have to admit he's flipped, but it's going to take at least a year after Trump's gone for him to say it out loud.
The Don is only about promoting himself. He vainly tried to blame Democrats for making (non-existent) laws. Then blamed separation of kids on biblical teachings. And still kid crying as they were separated from their parents was making him look bad.
No problem. He made a big deal about signing an executive order - that stops all those pictures of crying kids. He does nothing about the maybe 2500 other kids still separated. Since those do not create pictures that make The Don look bad. The Don cares nothing about kids. The Don cares nothing about America. The Don only cares about The Don.
Hmmm. I'm wondering what kind of cheese should go with this whine thread. I've tagged the other whine threads with matching cheeses. I've got it! Let them eat cake ... cheesecake! It's a done deal.
It feels like folks on the fence are starting to figure this guy out
approval poll tracking can help one avoid bubble thought on this matter
"the absurdity of the electorate"
Only one of my friends that voted for Trump still supports him. I think that he just wants to be contrary.
Only one of my friends that voted for Trump still supports him.
Learn from mistakes. He obviously is doing what he has always done. Anyone thinking logically could see that long before 2016. Trump is there for same reasons so many made a similar mistake; knew Saddam had WMDs.
Facts made both conclusions obvious. We humans make mistakes to learn. Learn from those mistakes. What is so defective in a thinking process that made such a bogus conclusion?
It is explained by the expression "adult who is still a child". A majority of adults make decisions based only in emotions. Same mistake is why an overwhelming majority of Americans knew smoking cigarettes increased health.
Worst of these adults even believe the WTC was taken down by a government conspiracy. And quote bloggers who must be honest because they are bloggers. Too many do not learn from their mistakes.
I think there were a lot of people who had listened to campaign speeches and watched election outcomes only to be from disappointed to disgusted with the federal government.
Along comes trump and they said well shit, none of those politicians helped any and this guy talks about shit I can understand, so what the hell.
What the vast majority don't understand is the White House is a dog & pony show, what we really need is a change in Congress to make anything better. Not a push for a majority of one party or the other, Congressmen/women who are better quality.
what we really need is a change in Congress to make anything better.
Congress was once (ie 1960s) 60% moderates. Some now put that number as low as 10%. We know anti-Americans are extremists. We even see some posting here. Patriots are moderates. Gerrymandering and other intents to subvert democracy has made it difficult for moderates to be elected.
Moreso, some former and long time congressmen are identified by the nature of a wacko extremist. Some Congressmen have never voted yes for anything. Cantor once removed from committees four Congressmen who never voted yes. The wackos started a revolution. Cantor relented in days.
Wackos vote religiously. Typically 90% of wacko extremists vote. A moderate who does not vote therefore votes for the extremist.
Worse, even a moderate Congressman must entertain those extremists. If moderates walked into a voting booth and voted for no one, then the Congressman would pay attention to moderates. Does not matter who a moderate votes for. To a Congressman, what only matters is if that moderates walk into that voting booth.
Most moderates do not bother - therefore vote to have a Congress with so many wacko extremists.
Some Senators are so wacko extremist dumb as to even deny global warming is created by mankind. His religious beliefs tell him what to believe.
Whacko moderate fanatics are losers.
Independent moderates rule.
Have some cheesecake.
Whacko moderate fanatics are losers.
The losers are people who constantly post their emotions - and waste bandwidth doing so. Also called Trump supporters. Some who support him will not even admit they are that wacko extremist. Since dishonesty is another characteristic of a wacko extremist and Trump supporter.
You might as well face it, you're addicted to cheesecake.
LATIN MOTTOES FOR TRUMP-ERA GOVERNMENT ENTITIES
• Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Nunc vestri genitores sumus
“We are your parents now.”
• Department of Justice
Deus ipse nobis dixit consilia recta esse
“God himself told us our plans are just.”
• White House Office of the Press Secretary
Ficti pravique tenax
“Steadfast in misinformation and deception.”
• Homeland Security
Cavete Canadianos!
“Beware of the Canadians!”
• National Security Council
Gentes omnes delendae sunt
“All nations must be destroyed.”
• Department of the Interior
Geologus sum
“I am a geologist.”
• Environmental Protection Agency
Noster dux sordidior fluminibus
“Our boss is dirtier than the rivers.”
• Department of Energy
Carbonem plus pulmonibus amamus
“We love coal more than our lungs.”
• Department of Education
Discipulos iuribus expoliare et ursis tueri
“Depriving students of rights and protecting them from bears.”
• State Department
Socios hostes facimus
“We turn allies into enemies.”
• Department of Transportation
Omnia nundina sunt nundina compagium
“Every week is infrastructure week.”
• Housing and Urban Development
Ubi una mensa carior quam tota insula est
“Where one table costs more than an entire housing project.”
• Government Accountability Office
Fuit quondam in hac re publica virtus
“There was once virtue in this republic.”
• Health and Human Services
Multi in morbum cadent, multi esurient
“Many will fall ill, many will go hungry.”
• National Endowment for the Humanities
Doctrina neglecta in tenebris iacet
“Knowledge has been abandoned and lies in the darkness.”
• Social Security Administration
Hodie nobis pecuniam datis, dabimus nihil vobis cras
“You give us money today, we give you nothing tomorrow.”
• Office of the First Lady
Ferte auxilium, domum redire volo
“Send help, I want to go home.”
• Oval Office
Hae parietes talem cladem nunquam viderunt
“These walls have never seen such a disaster.”
Curtis Cook wasn't even alive when JFK or RFK were shot. He lands in that "average age 27 and doesn't know anything" demographic.
Now everybody knows he's a clotpoll who posts his emotions just exactly like tw.
I have no idea what you're talking about but know nothing baby-boomers would seem the greater threat.
So I looked up your boy Cook. He is nobody. I guess he's being pimped in fascist quarters as the uncivil left? Fortunately, it is too late in this administration to appoint anyone to the court.
LOL!
Those are pretty funny, Bruce!
Did you make them up yourself? (I haven't been around enough lately to figure out if you are a Latin scholar or not.)
The only Latin epigram I know without resorting to google is
Sic transit Gloria Mundi.
A catchphrase that I hope will be on the lips of the majority of Congress come the Midterms results! ;)
Nope, found on the web, McSweeny I think.
The Don considered an invasion of Venezuela in 2017. Wacko extremists see war as the best solution to all problems.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/04/politics/donald-trump-venezuela-invasion/index.html
One would think we learned from the disaster called Misson Accomplished. Wacko extremists (Trump supporters) will even deny reality; insist that Mission Accomplished also was a success.
But, but it wouldn't have been a war, just a Police Action.
One would think we learned from the disaster called Red Line that left Syria with an undisclosed cache of chemical weapons. Whacko fanatical moderate losers (Hillary supporters) will deny failure; insist that Red Line also was a success.
One would think we learned from the disaster called Red Line that left Syria with an undisclosed cache of chemical weapons.
Then we include reality. Even the Russians made sure all those weapons were removed. The entire world responded as you well know and always forget.
Extremist get angry when a moderate president does what is necessary to avert war. "He has no backbone." Extremist get angry when a moderate president uses military action. "Tail is wagging the dog". Extremist then love how the scumbag Don is destroying the American economy, international influence, and even attacking our closest friends. Destruction and lies make extremists happy. Solutions only exist when the Central Committee of the Party orders extremists to believe it is good.
The Red Line confiscated all his chemical weapons. Any that now exists, if they existed, were created from scratch.
Meanwhile a wacko spent maybe $100 million attacking bunkers that might have contained obsolete airplane. And put holes in runways that were fixed before the day ended. The wacko extremist president could not bother to destroy what may have been chemical weapon storage tanks. Those tanks were built after all that previous stuff was removed by a Red Line - and the resulting cooperation of nations all over the world.
Ironically, if those tanks did contain chemical weapons, then the Russians, located adjacent to those tanks, knew exactly what those tanks contained.
Funny how extremists forget a massive and entire world response after a Red Line was drawn. It contradicts what extremists were ordered to believe.
Only wackos still deny the success created by that Red Line. Since only wacko extremist talk show host claim it was not a success. That long list of nations that cooperated to remove all those weapons all say it was a complete success. Who should be believe? Honest nations or wacko extremists talk show hosts?
Those wacko extremists talk show host also say Trump is doing everything good. So they must be honest.
… Whacko fanatical moderate losers (Hillary supporters) will deny failure; insist that Red Line also was a success.
… Only wackos still deny the success created by that Red Line. ...
Have some more cheesecake.
On Tuesday, all under 5 children must be returned to their parents. HHS has no record of whom some of those children belong. Constant questions asked by honest reporters keep resulting in "We cannot say" replies from HHS.
HHS had to do what even HHS knew would be a problem. The president did not let them even setup procedures. So imprisoned kids were even sleeping on concrete floors. No time or effort could be implemented to record where those kids were and who their parents were. HHS openly admits they do not know if those children arrived with their parents.
One lady, some time ago, got her child back after 85 days. Child was in the same cloths worn on the day he was taken. And those clothes were full of dirt. Yes dirt. She believes the kid was not bathed for 85 days.
HHS says they do not know if the child was held in an HHS facility or in a private contractor site. But the kid was stored in a town that only had an HHS facility.
Of course Trump says this is good. They were criminals (probably MS13) trying to kill us all. His statements have actually increased his popularity among extremists. Extremists say illegal immigrants have no rights - even for bathing.
Have some more cheesecake.
Scumbags extremists of the world unite. That's why we have The Don. Extremists love liars.
My suggestion: gather up all the illegal aliens (adults and children) currently being held, drive the lot to the border, have them all move to the Mexican side, let them sort out which kid belongs to which parent there.
Don't let a single one cross back into the U.S.
Tw, learn from history: the quantity of words in your posts are no substitute for quality brevity (sound bytes). The greater the volume, the bigger the loser. Glad you like cheesecake so much.
I'm thinkin' the people of Venezuela would welcome an overthrow of the current gov.
Don't you agree?
My suggestion: gather up all the illegal aliens (adults and children) currently being held, drive the lot to the border, have them all move to the Mexican side, let them sort out which kid belongs to which parent there.
Don't let a single one cross back into the U.S.
I'm thinkin' the people of Venezuela would welcome an overthrow of the current gov.
Don't you agree?
You who, white boy?
Chinga tu madre as we say here in the great US city of Espanola. :eyebrow:
My suggestion is that Trump bring back the Children's Crusade. All little ones five and under whom Spanky McDogShit ripped from their parent's arms should be sent to liberate Venezuela. After all, these babies are already MS13 members and will have the Venezuelan army in tatters in less than a month.
Or: we can implement Swift's modest proposal.
I'm thinkin' the people of Venezuela would welcome an overthrow of the current gov.
The people I know from Venezuela started moving out even their furniture over five years ago. They solved the problem that long ago.
"The people I know from Venezuela started moving out even their furniture over five years ago. They solved the problem that long ago."
...cuz I ain't got a clue what it's supposed to mean, or how it's supposed to have anything at all to do with what I posted.
"The people I know from Venezuela started moving out even their furniture over five years ago. They solved the problem that long ago."
...cuz I ain't got a clue what it's supposed to mean, or how it's supposed to have anything at all to do with what I posted.
Wait - what? We're supposed to make replies that are relevant to the topic? Why doesn't anyone ever inform me of these things?
BTW your response to tw was enigmatic at best.
Our main supplier of asbestos was Brazil but they have shut down so Russia is set to take over the #1 spot.
But first the needed to have Trumps EPA remove the restrictions. He did and they are grateful.
Treason?
Hanlon's Razor should be applied here.
But don't rule out malice.
Don't rule out both together.
I'm getting a lot of "but Hillary, but Obama" traffic right now
Why are wacko extremist Trump supporters so silent lately?
I'm getting a lot of "but Hillary, but Obama" traffic right now
This is classic Deflection inbred cousin to Whataboutism.
From the textbook of his arch nemesisi peered out of my cubbyhole this morning and the dialogue looks like this:
US Public: I'm actually pretty fuckin' angry about this Putin thing...
Trump: (Tweets) NFL KNEEL DOWN OPINION OUT OF NOWHERE
US Public: OMG!! Look!! A squirrel!!
so easily trolled
There's not much to be said about the current situation since it's so obvious: Trump is gay for Putin and those complaining are a bunch of homophobes.
Well - it's all very surreal to watch.
The NATO thing and his visit to Britain were amazing. It's like he had a bucket list of people to insult. To go from that to fawning over Putin like a schoolboy with a crush was disturbing.
From the NYTimes
Liberal Blind Spots Are Hiding the Truth About ‘Trump Country’.
For one thing, it’s not Trump country. Most struggling whites I know here live a life of quiet desperation, mad at their white bosses, not resentful toward their co-workers or neighbors of color.
An opinion from Kansas.
The NATO thing and his visit to Britain were amazing. It's like he had a bucket list of people to insult.
Never forget what his 'strategic objective' is. There was no personal gain from being nice or intellectual with European. Better is to blame them. Since that gets his supporters to believe him - to entrench their fanatical support for The Don.
What he did in Europe and what he did with Putin was a disaster - to those who make conclusions from facts. But those are not his supporters. The Don gets his ego boost by being supportive and friendly with Putin.
Also remember, he was not watching Fox and Friends to temper or plan his actions. So he was on his own - guessing what would promote him. He is not very good without that feedback. So he made some mistakes causing so many of his supporters (including Fox News correspondents) to be so critical.
What is a President to do? Threaten war with Iran. The resulting emotions get his supporters to forget what happened last week.
It is always about promoting the Don - not about America or any American allies. He is now using a "Wag the Dog" strategy.
Today, kids taken from refugees (most seeking political asylum) are suppose to be reunited with their parents. Problem. Parents for some 450 kids are no longer in the US - many having been deported without their children.
This, in part, because extremists wanted to execute a program justified by their political biases; without any thought to intelligence or decency. These same types also loved Guantanamo and openly said Gestapo style torture is good.
They do not know where parent for most of the 450 kids are located. Being wacko extremists, they could not bother to keep track of what kids belong to what parents. And where those parents were located. They were interested in what the penis of The Don told them to do. Screw others.
Not a single comment about The Don openly authorizing a payoff to another conquest so that truth is not public. This time "someone" bought out a Playboy article that showed how immoral The Don really is.
Did he do it to protect Melanie? Nobody would even suggest that. He will probably trade her in for a newer model. He did it only to promote The Donald. Since even America is only secondary to that objective.
Three posts in a row by tw, Gravdigr's got some competition.
Every day The Don contributes to absurdity. So routinely that is it no longer news?
Even attacking long time, highly regarded intelligence officers because his collusion with Russians reeks of treason. When is that no longer absurd?
When non-elected officials (or former officials) get too big for their britches by publicly attacking a sitting elected official. One can't publicly attack the person without diminishing the power of office that they hold. That's why some elected officials get to have political tools like the granting of security clearances. It helps to keep those who weren't elected from effecting a popular coup by taking away their access to government resources.
They have a right to free speech; but, they don't have a right to a security clearance which is a prerequisite for holding many jobs in government and as a government contractor. The emotionally stable ones will take their grievances through back channels to other elected officials and not air their dirty laundry in public for worldwide scrutiny. The emotionally erratic ones who court public opinion for their self aggrandizement are a bad risk for holding an active security clearance.
Are you talking about Trump there? I don't think there's a way to remove his clearance.
The emotionally erratic ones who court public opinion for their self aggrandizement are a bad risk for holding an active security clearance.
Are you talking about Trump there? I don't think there's a way to remove his clearance.
Are you talking about Trump there? I don't think there's a way to remove his clearance.
Obviously I could NOT be talking about Trump. US Presidents don't have a security clearance. Presidents are elected to have unlimited access: they don't need no stinkin' security clearance. Presidential designees grant clearances on behalf of the President, not to the President who is only vetted while a Presidential candidate. The only practical way to remove a President's access is to remove that person from office.
I sent this to a woman who responded, "Is that who's running for President in 2020?"
And she votes. :facepalm:
But she has the kind of legs you like, right?
It's an old joke, said about a guy who's not fussy about the women; She's got the kind of legs he likes, feet on one end and pussy on the other.
(the first half suffices in polite company)
Can't recall if I posted this already and can't be arsed searching :P
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1. The rise of fascism...
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I highly recommend watching the other episodes.
Trump is not Hitler...
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I highly recommend checking out the rest of the series ( there's another 2, don't know if he's planning more)
You know you want a picture of him and Liz.
In a similar Watergate timeline, this is when John McCord realized he would be jailed for decades due to his felonies for Nixon. This last week, many of The Don's henchmen turned states evidence. One is so wacko extremist as to deny his felonies - and was prosecuted. There will always be some Gordon Liddy types.
Because so many are exposing evil and corruption by this president, then the President is repeatedly attacking his Attorney General - Jeff Sessions. Does this sound like a Saturday Night massacre is about to happen? Watergate deja vue. Sure sounds like it. This president even makes Nixon look honest.
John McCain just died. Most patriotic leaders from both parties praise him - from the heart and not to be politically correct. The Don cannot. He posts sympathies to McCain's family with an unstated and obvious implication. Sorry that they had John McCain in their family.
We can expect every former president to appear at McCain's viewing or funeral. But one will not because McCain specifically said so. The Don (an evil man) is uninvited. Which makes the many other presidents happy. Since The Don has repeatedly violated an unwritten rule among presidents. Never criticize and blame past presidents. Only a corrupt Mafioso leader would not understand that. The Don obviously is disdained by all previous and living presidents.
All most likely inconsequential. The Republican Governor of Arizona is expected to replace McCain with someone who is more party line.
Company executives, brainwashed by business school concepts and The Don's wacko extremist talk show hosts, cheered when Trump started a trade war on aluminum and steel. A classic example is the owner of American Keg. He still thinks those tariffs are good. And was completely taken by surprise when his costs skyrocketed. His customers are now buying kegs from overseas. Did he have basic economic knowledge? Did he not understand the obvious? Did he even know that many metals necessary for American products are not made productively in America? Some companies are so anti-American as to still use 1964 technology blast furnaces to make steel. Tariffs were created to protect America's least productive industries.
America Keg now laid off a third of their workforce. The owner said he was surprised it happened. A perfect example of another brainwashed by Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.
Those tariffs have started doing and will increase major damage to markets (the American economy). But significant damage will be apparent for years. His 'wacko extremist' inspired tariffs are now creating major price increases in paper, polypropylene, and other materials consumed by America's productive and now intentionally harmed businesses.
Does not matter. Extremists still believe The Don has done good. We will see those result years later when companies some companies finally file for bankruptcy.
Pain has been especially hard on part suppliers for the auto industry. A threat that has not been seen in that industry since George Jr's economics created a massive recession many years later - including the death of Lehman Bros.
He has proposed a new wall:
Donald Trump suggested the Spanish government tackled the Mediterranean migration crisis by emulating one of his most famous policies and building a wall across the Sahara desert, the country’s foreign minister has revealed.
According to Josep Borrell, the US president brushed off the scepticism of Spanish diplomats – who pointed out that the Sahara stretched for 3,000 miles – saying: “The Sahara border can’t be bigger than our border with Mexico.”
I suppose, if he meant the Sahara's border with
Spain, he's right.
The Don is upset because Mexican money is not in a new budget. Did they forget to bill Mexico?
A book by Michael Lewis,
The Fifth Risk
From here On the story which concludes the book, about a woman in Oklahoma who prayed for a tornado to destroy her barn
First let's explain why Miss Finley wanted her barn gone: Her husband had killed himself in the barn, and she imagined this act of destruction would come and kind of ease her pain — she wouldn't have to stare at the barn any longer. And what she doesn't imagine is that the same tornado that's going to come take her barn is going to destroy her house, and she didn't want that.
And I thought it was a kind of a lovely metaphor for what Trump voters imagine — or how their imaginations work, or how the human imagination works. It imagines the destruction it wants; it imagines the destruction it wants Trump to inflict on the things it doesn't like about the government.
It doesn't imagine all the collateral damage — it doesn't imagine the damage it will actually do. And I think this failure of the imagination is somewhere near the center of what we're going through right now.
I like this little story, it matches neatly with how I imagine many or most Trump supporters feel.
More later, Y has just arrived.
"it imagines the destruction it wants Trump to inflict on the things it doesn't like about the government. It doesn't imagine all the collateral damage — it doesn't imagine the damage it will actually do."
Mebbe so.
Could be, however' a goodly chunk of 'Trump voters' are willin' to crawl on nekkid bellies across a mile and a half of glass shards and razors if it means *commies like yourself lose.
Could be a whole whack of 'Trump voters' are well aware of all the unavoidable consequences. Could be they see Trump as the debilitating (possibly lethal) chemo/radiative onslaught needed to kill a deep-rooted cancer.
Could be, mebbe, you think?
*quite apart from Karl and his apostles, if you see gov as solution, think it should do more, think it should direct you, think of it as anything other than a neccessary evil, a slippery tool, then -- yeah -- you're a fuckin' commie (communitarian, or communist...half a dozen of one, six of the other)
The government is nothing more than a multi-use tool. If we forego the good that tool can do and turn it into a bludgeon to smite our fellow Americans, we as a people suffer the consequences. ALL OF US.
Not just those on the left, not just those on the right. Not some of us, but ALL OF US.
^this
It is only a tool. I used to imagine our government like a pendulum sensible voters pulling us back from too far left or too far right. Now a shit-ton of sensible people are on the sidelines and main street goes unrepresented while banking and other corporate interests have their way with the lawmaking and public purse. It pisses everyone* off and a certain percentage of pissed off people are willing to lay the anger off on folks who've only recently begun to make cultural inroads.
*not everyone
Could be, however' a goodly chunk of 'Trump voters' are willin' to crawl on nekkid bellies across a mile and a half of glass shards and razors if it means *commies like yourself lose.
I think that's accurate. Hillary got a lot of flack for saying it, but she underestimated their count.
It is so sad to see the "standard Trump voter" and "standard D voter" personified, stereotyped and caricatured here, when they are here on the Cellar, and have been here amongst us all along, and don't fit any caricature except their own.
...for a number of disparate reasons voted for Trump.
Now, me: I voted for Trump cuz, even if he does nuthin' else, there's a better than fair chance he'll leave me (and you and him and her) be and -- to the degree possible -- make it so Congress leaves me (and you and him and her) be.
Trump's no minarchist but he's a damn-sight closer than Clinton.
Sure as shit: Clinton was not gonna leave me (and you and him and her) be.
I have little in common with the 'Trump voter' certain folks in-forum promote, and no matter how many times I state my view one fuck or another (hi, tw!) tries to box me and shelve me.
Fuck that, fuck them (hi, griff!).
If it's my lot to play 'Trump voter' then -- fine -- I'll play 'Trump voter'.
Like so: you're all commie pussies and you all deserve helicopter rides.
I don't think a response of caricaturing the other will help, especially if you don't make it clear beforehand.
Note for those not up on the latest in right-wing 'humor': 'Helicopter rides' are referencing Pinochet dropping prisoners out of helicopters.
"I don't think a response of caricaturing the other will help, especially if you don't make it clear beforehand."
Gimme a break, toad.
I've played it straight, over the years, many times, but the bulk here aren't interested.
^this
It is only a tool. I used to imagine our government like a pendulum sensible voters pulling us back from too far left or too far right. Now a shit-ton of sensible people are on the sidelines and main street goes unrepresented while banking and other corporate interests have their way with the lawmaking and public purse.
Just like the government, the Internet is also a (potentially destructive) tool.
For most of my career, I've concerned myself with intense historical research. Pre-Internet, life was hell. There were libraries of course, but not every library had every book, so accurate and thorough research was a bitch. Post-Internet, I'm astounded every day by the incredible wealth of information and data I'm able to access, study, and put to use in the furtherance of my career (and my global awareness).
Unfortunately, it seems like 97% of our populace has become hopelessly addicted to using the incredible power of the Internet (and its enormous banks of information and documentation) to notify the planet that the guy in line in front of them at Starbucks this morning just farted.
As a nation, it feels like we've abdicated ourselves to the *
ooh, sparkly!* no attention span, hive-mind, brain-numbing, ego-boosting properties of social media. This "Twitter-hypnosis" (so to speak) leads the mindless and easily led to accepting/believing the blasé lies shouted by a con-man president, and ignoring the unrestrained grab/break-it-while-you-can greed running rampant throughout our government and its institutions. In short, I feel like our supposedly educated and independent first-world populace has willingly embraced the insanely politicised Internet zombification, because thinking for oneself is too fuckin' hard. :eyebrow:
I despair that there's any return from this. Realistically, I have about 10 years left on this earth. I'm glad I'm old, FFS.
Jesus.
Quick side step: what's your area of research and scholarship Glinda?
I toyed with being an academic historian - bachelors, masters and doctorate - but in the end it required way too much of a commitment to pursue as a serious career option (not many jobs come up in universities annually and those that do are rarely within a commutable distance so would mean relocation) and wasn't great for my mental health - I need way more externally imposed structure in my working day or I'll do fuck all and end up desperately chasing deadlines.
The research though was really good fun.
Connecting back to your point about the internet: I went back into education in 2005/6 and the internet was really starting to make itself felt as a study and research tool. But it was still second place to physical books in studying. By the time I exited academia in 2015 online study and research had hit about 50/50 and for some of the students I taught, it was probably 60/40 in favour of online sources.
The information I had easily available to me for my dissertation in 2008/9 was great, but the information available for my thesis in 2014/15 was staggering. Still a lot of tramping about in archives, but the digital versions of 19th century soldiers' journals, for example, or contemporary legal studies and medical reviews made for a vast and searchable resource. Curated collections like the Old Bailey trial records, or early women's writings, all fully searchable, are a major boon to researchers and bring proper historical research fully within reach at even the early stages of study, back in high school.
Fuck that, fuck them (hi, griff!).
I guess its my turn to play a Clinton voter. I voted Johnson / Weld because those other two are really awful, but it turns out Trump was much worse than anticipated.
Look Henry, I'm glad you finally outed yourself as a voter and as someone who voted their perceived best interest. You wish to be left alone as do we all. The Mexican immigrant would love to be left alone. The girl seeking an abortion wants to be left alone. A gay kid walking home wants to be left alone. Sometimes the government intrudes and sometimes it steps in so that people are left alone. It is a conversation we need to be having with each other and our government.
I admit shitty behavior on this thread.
"I'm glad you finally outed yourself as a voter and as someone who voted their perceived best interest."
What shit you spew. My agenda, and my voting, is no secret. I made no admission in this thread that I hsven't already made elsewhere, in-forum.
"finally outed yourself": up yours, griff.
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"You wish to be left alone as do we all."
Yep.
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"The Mexican immigrant would love to be left alone."
The legal immigrants should be; the illegal types need to go.
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"The girl seeking an abortion wants to be left alone."
As long as I ain't payin' for it: abort away!
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"A gay kid walking home wants to be left alone."
Yep.
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"Sometimes the government intrudes and sometimes it steps in so that people are left alone."
I favor small, neutral, castrated gov (sensible police, courts of last resort, border-securing millitary).
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"It is a conversation we need to be having with each other and our government."
Talk, talk, talk...how ' about we take pliers to the gov's testes then put it out to pasture to get fat eatin' grass?
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"I admit shitty behavior on this thread."
I admit to nuthin'...I'm a fuckin' angel.
What shit you spew.
Why is your reasoning always infused with insults? Insults are why Trump is so popular. And why he also attracts Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists, and others who also both love and spout hate and insults.
Did you even once post something without hate and other disparaging comments? I never saw it. Show me. Or simply demonstrate. It should not be hard.
Maybe reply to Griff this time without acting like an 'adult who is a child'. Reply honestly and logically; not emotionally.
Quick side step: what's your area of research and scholarship Glinda?
I toyed with being an academic historian - bachelors, masters and doctorate - but in the end it required way too much of a commitment to pursue as a serious career option (not many jobs come up in universities annually and those that do are rarely within a commutable distance so would mean relocation) and wasn't great for my mental health - I need way more externally imposed structure in my working day or I'll do fuck all and end up desperately chasing deadlines.
The research though was really good fun.
I've always been something of a research nut. :rolleyes:
Years ago, I worked at a Beverly Hills auction company, researching the items that were consigned and writing scholarly descriptions of the pieces (following
The Manuscript Society's guidelines) for auction catalogs. I worked primarily on presidential autographs and letters, but we also did air and space auctions, sports, Hollywood memorabilia, Western Americana, rock and roll, and so on. One high point of that job was working on
one of the world's most expensive/rarest autographs.
After about four years of that, I hooked up with Heritage Auction Galleries in Dallas. For the next four years, they flew me out to Dallas to work on their catalogs two weeks a month. While there, I worked primarily on collectible books, air and space, presidential, Texiana, and Western Americana.
Since that time, I've worked on catalogs for private dealers and have put together a few archives for small museums. I also edit/proofread things - for eight or nine years, I proofread foreign language election materials for six Southern CA counties. Right now I'm editing a huge med school book for people who want to become maternity nurses. I really miss the historical research, but editing and proofreading has its own rewards (if you're a geek like me!).
Oh that sounds like it would have been really interesting.
I also miss the historical research - though am loving what I do now.
I just reread my post. I really
am a freak. En dashes get me sweaty. HAA!!!
Oh that sounds like it would have been really interesting.
I also miss the historical research - though am loving what I do now.
What
do you do (if you don't mind my asking)?
I'll just put this link here for reference.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
Thanks brother.
I'll just put this link here for reference.
https://presterity.org/I miss research too. But not the academia shennanigans. I love writing. I envy that job, Glinda. And I don't love what I do. But I'm working on an alternative and meanwhile I'm good at it and hearing from people in KY and home office in CO that I'm talked about as good at it, which is nice. And it pretty much pays the bills. ......Until thunderboy hits college next year and pologirl moves on to gradschool... and bajaboy's tuition rockets as he hits junior year :eek:
:lol: oh well.... gotta dream....
....and to get back on topic, my current dream is that this immigrant caravan is his undoing. I'm hoping it makes him so incensed he finally manages to do something so absurd no-one can turn a blind eye to it or justify it to themselves.
Dream.....
Credit where credit's due. So far as I can tell,
I support Trump on this.
The administration is proposing new regulations that would allow it to lower the overall prices of these drugs, by including in its calculation of average sales price the prices paid in countries around the world with similarly advanced economies. It's calling the new formula the "International Pricing Index."
Credit where credit's due. So far as I can tell, I support Trump on this.
oh apparently it is the fault of the other countries that Americans pay more. Mmm-Hmmmmm. If they would only step up and pay their share and stop using their amazing buying power to discriminate against this poor beleaguered nation....
Nothing to do with "big business". Nothing to see here.
Yeah. He can't even do good things without lying. And I don't have super-high hopes that it will happen anyway, but there you go.
Just bullshit to reduce worry over gutting the ACA from the right wing base.
Thanks brother.
I'll just put this link here for reference.
https://presterity.org/
nifty
Its like a cult. Whatever he says is fine. Whoever he hurts is fine.
Be careful, he might turn you into a jack-in-the-box and wish you into the cornfield.
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The administration is proposing new regulations that would allow it to lower the overall prices of these drugs, by including in its calculation of average sales price the prices paid in countries around the world with similarly advanced economies. It's calling the new formula the "International Pricing Index."
Okay but wait, the drug companies themselves are deciding what to charge poor countries... so if America gets the world's price, basically all this will do is give them incentive to charge poor countries more, right?
Edit: oh wait--I see the "similarly advanced economies" bit now. Hmm.
We ought to be doing what those economies are doing, which keeps their prices lower - price controls and negotiation. But medicare is banned from doing it. This would be putting the onus of negotiating our prices on them. which isn't fair to them, but if us doing it is off the table, it could help.
We ought to be doing what those economies are doing, which keeps their prices lower - price controls and negotiation.
It is called a free market. George Jr made sure that cannot happen. As noted here so often. It is illegal to buy the same drug from the same factory in Canada or Mexico.
There were once 42 drug companies using free market forces to keep prices low and to have more drugs under development. Instead, under George Jr, we made things worse.
Funny political picturesI just reread my post. I really am a freak. En dashes get me sweaty. HAA!!!
What do you do (if you don't mind my asking)?
Sorry - missed this:P
I work in home insurance - I handle buildings claims.
Which is way more intense than it sounds :P
I get to work, and it's like a mental sprint all the way to the finish line.
I haven't read
all these articles yet, but I'm already sure this topic belongs in this thread.
Trump vows to bypass the 14th Amendment to the Constitution by Executive Order, eliminating birthright citizenship.
CLOSE THE GATES! RAISE THE DRAWBRIDGE! TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!
He says being born here isn't enough, one of the parents has to have born here too. :rolleyes:
… Trump vows to bypass the 14th Amendment to the Constitution by Executive Order, eliminating birthright citizenship.
CLOSE THE GATES! RAISE THE DRAWBRIDGE! TURN OFF THE LIGHTS!
I seem to recall someone here in these forums suggesting that all you need is five people (i.e. a SCOTUS majority) to bypass the 2nd Amendment (rather than change the Constitution).
Perhaps this line of reasoning runs in very stable geniuses.
makes me wonder what may happen to Melania and Barron
I'm more concerned by the 5K armed soldiers heading towards the US/MX border, with no clear indication they will NOT shoot at Americans.
Any UK CellarDwellars need a yankee that can cook and knit and work remotely?
Oh, they can shoot at Americans: Central Americans, South Americans, even North Americans who aren't USA Americans.
It's the USA Americans they won't commit to not shooting.
I have no doubt they'll shoot at the others. And that disgusts me.
Well, they can't please all of the people all of the time; but, they try. I'm sure they'll be polite when they shoot them so that no one is disrespected.
Only asshole president in post WWII history is desperately tweeting lie after lie to rally America's lowest intelligent (most easily brainwashed) voters.
He has people in MN fearing a refugee caravan that is almost 2000 miles away. And will take months to get to Texas. Hype fear of a caravan only days away so that the most ignorant citizens will get excited, scared, and run to the polls. Its all about promoting The Don.
15 bombs were mailed because a Trump supporter was doing what he was inspired to do. Trump preached only what a brownshirt would believe. Then he blamed it on Democrats. Even implying Democrats helped that bomber.
When that did not work, he blamed the press. After all, only Fox News tells the truth. All others lie. That is what the ignorant were told. So it must be true. A classic Donald supporter.
He even preached anti-Semetic hate during his campaign. But blind supporters claim he loves the Jews. Nonsense. He only says (lies) what promotes The Don.
The Don throws shit on the walls until something sticks. And is doing it as fast as possible to inspire hate among wackos - to get them to the polls.
He will get Congress to institute a middle class tax cut before Nov 6 - forgetting that Congress will never be in session. But again, he is not preaching to anyone with intelligence. He is brainwashing metal midgets.
He blames a Pittsburg synagogue massacre on Democrats. Forgetting to mention this killer wanted to murder people who help immigrants. Since immigrants are "Killing my people." Trump invented immigrants murderers. Because and again, he got elected buy preaching hate to adults who are still children.
What is the most dangerous American? One who needs military assault weapons to protect themselves due to fear inspired by right wing extremists It is the definition of brainwashing inspired by hate. Did we not learn from Timothy McVeigh? Almost every year since, more murders is inspired by that hate - ie Miami Beach.
Hillary was operating a pedophile sex ring in from a pizza shop in Washington DC. So a 28 year old from many states away drove to and fired his assault rifle into that shop. The Don's hate and lies inspire more assault rifle solutions. Maybe even a Valentine Day massacre. Why not? Ironically, Trump supporters in the Cellar think this is acceptable.
Hate works on adults who are still children. We can expect more massacres inspired by Trump, Tea Party, Cheney loving, talk show host educated enemies. They want their beliefs to be imposed on all others. Vote for any Republican to empower that hate.
He wants to subvert the 14th Amendment - knowing full well it cannot be done. He is lying. Does not matter to children. They will believe what they are ordered to believe. They know immigrants come here to live on welfare. Also called brainwashing. Many even acknowledge these are lies. But believe him anyway - just as in 1930s Germany.
No mystery that the stock market is taking massive dives. Trump has already terminated a longest recovery in American history. We know repeatedly from history that an economic downturn typically appears in job losses maybe four or more years later. This is an Obama economy slowly poisoned by a business school graduate. Only the brainwashed would not already see symptoms consistent with a severe recession.
Late 1930 Germany also believed their economy was booming due to their Chancellor. Meanwhile the seeds of a massive economic disaster were blooming. Things he did in 1936 left how many jobs in 1945? Rebuilding took until 1970. Also due to a leader who lied constantly.
Well, if you had told everyone that you were going to vote for him, they would have all voted for Hillary just to spite you. But you didn't do that did you? Now he's President. You had your chance and you blew it. Sour grapes.
So it is good that so much hate, violence, and massacres exists; encouraged by him because we voted for him. We got what we wanted and voted for because nobody is brainwashed: your reasoning.
You got what you bargained for by being worse and so this is your life now. Your whining like a child isn't going to change that.
Wackos would not notice what is obvious. The Don thanked Pittsburgh for their warm response. Neither the Mayor nor Governor would meet this asshole president. Demonstrations against him were large including signs that read "Jew Lives Matter". Several Pittsburgh Jewish leaders published an open letter that said Trump was not welcome in their city unless he denounced white nationalism and stops "targeting" minorities. More than 82,000 additional people signed the letter. Of course, The Don could not bother to denounce hate groups. Those are his voters.
He claims he was warmly received in Pittsburgh. His tweet never once mentioned the reason - a massacre or its victims. He is always and only about promoting Trump. Everyone else is only a voter to be manipulated.
Our local wacko and violent Trump supporter cannot bother to see these realities. Apparently he also approves of the KKK, Nazis, and White Supremacists - who also advocate more solutions by using guns including assault rifles. Trump supporters will even deny Trump promotes division and hate. Because that makes him popular among extremists and their sympathizers.
Such a sore loser, can't stop whining.
Such a sore loser, can't stop whining.
Obviously a wacko extremists. Difficult is to see any difference between so much right wing inspired hate and Trump's.
Trump openly encourages attacks on immigrants. It makes him popular. When do you join the chorus? It is the nature of an extremist. Constantly belittle others. Apparently it is an ego thing. And expected from a Trump disciple.
Pity party for tw!
('cause we pity the fool)
A Trump disciple posts the only thing he understands - insults. Every so often, he posts something intelligent. Plagiarism.
You're still whining, like every loser I've ever met.
You're still whining, like every loser I've ever met.
Again, more insults. Nothing useful contributed. Expected from a brainwashed extremist Trump supporter. So many posts and not one fact from an adult who is still a child.
Hitler used hate of Jews to recruit his brownshirts. Sexobon believes in hate of immigrants.
Demonstrated how easily manipulated is a child who cannot contribute anything but insults, hate, and Trump lies.
This is the America that Donald Trump needs to promote himself.
Still whining 'cause he couldn't make the intelligence cut and ended up a loser.
Babbles like child.
Babbles like child.
The post was more than one paragraph. Too long for wacko extremists who need to be told who to hate and insult.
Cries like a baby.
So Trump taught you how to post insults. Then we need not know little intelligence is required to be a Trump brownshirt.
Fact: tw backs losers.
Wow. Did you tell Einstein? You must be a genius.
The brainwashed also believe Trump fixed the economy. Because Trump said so. The educated know things that advance an economy (ie make jobs) happened four and more years ago. This is an Obama economy. Clearly. But that is not what the central committee of the communist party orders extremists to believe.
Not only have wackos posted hate of immigrants (as Hitler did for Jews). Wackos forget that we are prospering from what Obama, et al did four and more years ago. But that means one is educated by honesty. That means one posted honest facts instead of insults. Trump supporters cannot post facts. Sexobon even claims immigrants create massacres. Trump told his brownshirt to believe it.
It must be true.
An extremist is so angry about honesty as to reply in minutes. Adults are not driven by their emotions. Extremists inspired by hate are that emotional.
Hate, lies, fables, misdirection, a need for assault weapons to protect us from evil immigrants and praise of KKK, Nazis, and White Supremacists (he never denies it) - that is Sexobon. Characteristic of Donald Trump advocates. That is what this Tuesday election is about.
Tuesday is about Trump, his lies, his insults, his racism, and massacres inspired by Trump.
Sexobon will immediately post only what he understands - more insults.
Fact: I had to explain to tw the difference between a Columbian and a Colombian; 'cause, he wasn't able to distinguish between them.
... 'cause, he wasn't able to distinguish between them.
He hypes hate of Colombians because so many massacres were carried out by American citizens who love Trump. Blame others is his mantra - just like Trump. More insults posted in only minutes - because he cannot deny honest facts - just like Trump.
Wackos only understand insult. Wackos do not understand that so many massacres were conducted by American citizens (not immigrants). People who advocate that Sexobon promotes (and clearly inspired by Trump).
He will reply in minutes. It is the power of hate.
^Failed the Rorschach test: tried to steal all the ink.^
The base is solid... wrong, but solid.
The base is solid... wrong, but solid.
One fact is quite apparent from mid-term results. Trump will be reelected in 2020.
The Putrid Orange Shitgibbon (POS) can always be counted on to blame the victims . . . and get it completely wrong in the process.
There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!
--POS
Thing is, the federal government owns almost 60% of California's forests. California itself owns roughly 2% (the rest is owned by private citizens, Native American tribes, and various independent companies). And since his administration has gleefully cut funding for the BLM, the "gross mismanagement of the forests" can be placed at
his fucking doorstep.
:facepalm:
Oh, and let's don't ignore the fact that he has shown exactly ZERO concern and offered ZERO condolences for those fleeing the flames, losing their homes, losing their livelihoods, losing their goddamned lives.
This stupid fuck needs to have a massive coronary right NOW. :flipbird:
He would just keep on doing those same kinds of things … only as a zombie. Then we'd have the zombie apocalypse. I bet you thought it'd take more than one, HA!
"he has shown exactly ZERO concern and offered ZERO condolences for those fleeing the flames, losing their homes, losing their livelihoods, losing their goddamned lives."
You're right. I don't give a flip 'bout those people so why should I pretend other...oh...wait...yer talkin' about Trump.
Well, carry on, I guess (cuz foot stompin' works, yeah?).
Oh, and let's don't ignore the fact that he has shown exactly ZERO concern and offered ZERO condolences for those fleeing the flames, losing their homes, losing their livelihoods, losing their goddamned lives.
Understand why. His tweets this week demonstrate a man both emblazoned and entrenched in a crisis. He must subvert the entire Mueller investigation before Democrats take the House. His tweets expressed a defensive man desperately lashing out to protect his image, popularity, and power.
Victims were never relevant to him. He would even go to disaster sites to promote himself. Showing empathy is foreign to this very self centered person.
Notice how Trump extremists subtlety mock your concerns. It is an attitude prevalent among The Don's disciples. Just like a mafia family: it's just business.
It's all about how people present their concerns. That's why we laugh at tw and not with him.
The Putrid Orange Shitgibbon (POS) can always be counted on to blame the victims . . . and get it completely wrong in the process.
There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!
--POS
This stupid fuck needs to have a massive coronary right NOW. :flipbird:
Seven of the twenty most destructive fires in state history have burned just in the last year.
The reason is
climate change and Trump says climate change is a leftist lie.
Trump says climate change is a leftist lie.
Clearly climate change was invented in a conspiracy between Jews and immigrants. The brainwashed will believe anything he says. And they vote.
Yep. The Jews have their golems workin' hand-in-claw with a semi-intelligent strain of C.H.U.D. to prepare the Earth for the return of Cthulhu and His Minions.
Crom, the only entity native to our Reality with the power to stop the nefarious plan, like any individualist anarchist, doesn't give a flip.
So: hunker down, grab your buttocks, and gibber cuz Hell is Comin' to Human Town!
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A *No-Prize goes to the one able to correctly identify the pop culture references in the above post (the most obvious one is also the most tricky).
*R.I.P Stan Lee
Is Trump doing worse than he was? The Twitter thing with Macron and whigging out at May seem like a different level.
I'm waiting to see who disagrees.
Never forget the dangers from wacko extremists. Since Trump, hate crimes have increased ; up 17% according to the FBI. This hate has increased everywhere. Schools are now finding racist, anti-semetic, and LGB hate graffiti.
Gunman at theater often praised Hitler is just another example of what is now become weekly events. So routine that most probably never heard of this event.
More recently (even though he did not intend to do it) is this event. During intermission for "Fiddler on the Roof", a man shooted "Heil Hitler. Heil Trump." And then did a Nazi salute.
Man who yelled ‘Heil Hitler’ during ‘Fiddler on the Roof’ performance apologizes ...
Hate, even by those here who approved of Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists, is appearing in every state now that Trump used that hate to get elected.
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
President Donald Trump on Saturday said he can twist enough House Republican arms to give Nancy Pelosi the necessary votes to become speaker.
The California Democrat publicly says she has ample support within her own caucus to secure the gavel. But all indications are a floor vote could be close, meaning Republicans could opt — for a list of reasons — to put her over the top.
For Trump, making Pelosi speaker would give him the sense that she owes him legislatively and also ensure that his top campaign-trail foil, who remains intensely unpopular with Republican voters, remains in the headlines through his re-election bid.
“I can get Nancy Pelosi as many votes as she wants in order for her to be Speaker of the House,” he tweeted Saturday morning ahead of a trip to California to visit with people affected by wildfires.
He again wrote that Pelosi “deserves this victory, she has earned it — but there are those in her party who are trying to take it away.”
Ultimately, Trump predicted Pelosi “will win!”
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From the same mouth that says US intelligence agencies are lying. That the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia did not order the murder and dismemberment of Jamal Khashoggi in Turkey.
Trump knows because he find the Saudi explaination credible. Meaning he believes US intelligent agents are not credible. He again disparages the US intelligence system by using his emotions rather than thinking like an adult. It is this behavior that has psychiatrists asking if The Don is really sane (per the DSM).
From Bloomberg:
President Donald Trump said Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has denied to him perhaps five times any role in the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, and the U.S. may never know whether he was involved in the murder.
Since only Fox News will not challenge obvious lies, then Trump told Chris Wallace those same Saudi Crown Prince denials. Because the Crown Prince is more honest than the CIA.
Lying is acceptable since so many Americans (ie evangelical Christians) approve it. Even Nixon did not lie like this.
But, but, he had his fingers crossed behind his back and that's almost like a self pardon.
I've had the feeling, OK, he's gamed the system by making ridiculous claims and enough lies to make his nose grow to the moon.
He figured out how to divide and conquer, played that into huge personal gain.
He's pretty smart.
But I had the thought last night, what if he's not that smart, what if he's actually tweeting and saying what he really believes.
I'm afraid, very afraid. :unsure:
It would look like how most Americans would look if we tweeted similarly.
We don't tweet though. We stop, we think, we test it out on the cellar, we realize we're being dumb, and then we throw it in the ash bin. He should have a group of area competent people to talk to... you know, like a cabinet.
He's just a fly by the seat of your pants kind of guy and you can do some death defying stunts when you're wearing bespoke pants.
His cabinet is his fly girls.
Everyone would be appalled at our own "raw feed", and so we don't tend to offer it.
And so, when someone does offer a raw feed, and one reaction is to be appalled by it and viciously attack it? That's an easy game, but there is a hypocritical element to it. And what we don't notice is that the game doesn't necessarily play out in favor of the attackers. I think that is the game theory Trump is working by.
The person who came closest to giving us a raw feed was Sundae. There are dwellars here who attacked her for the weaknesses she freely offered us. What do we make of that?
Raw feed will usually come back to bite you in the ass. Constructive criticism or just criticism(attack)? In print it's sometimes not easy to tell the spirit in which it's given, no matter how carefully you chose your words.
Some who give raw feed become successful, others fall by the wayside, the outcome depends on the perceived objective behind it.
Everyone would be appalled at our own "raw feed", and so we don't tend to offer it.
And so, when someone does offer a raw feed, and one reaction is to be appalled by it and viciously attack it? That's an easy game, but there is a hypocritical element to it. And what we don't notice is that the game doesn't necessarily play out in favor of the attackers. I think that is the game theory Trump is working by.
The person who came closest to giving us a raw feed was Sundae. There are dwellars here who attacked her for the weaknesses she freely offered us. What do we make of that?
Except his staff have admitted the "rawness" is often faked, tweets written by others on his account with the intent of being inflammatory--they even bragged about putting in intentional typos for authenticity's sake.
Then that's exactly the game theory Trump is working by, and being outraged is playing on his game field.
Next level: watch the media with that in mind. They have been trolled. They have lost.
Some in the media became conceited and thought they could become activists hiding behind the journalism banner. They bastardized their 1st Amendment protections without being astute enough to realize the same could be done by counter-activists. They got what they bargained for including the collateral damage to their peer group which will have to do a better job of policing their own. If they don't, they'll fall by the wayside in public opinion.
The American Press (ALL of it from MSNBC to FOX News; from the New York Times to the New York Post) is nuthin' but a vast propaganda machine, sumthin' largely ignored by various strains of communitarian. These various outlets lie all the damn time (out & out, and through skewin' and interpretin') and are given a pass.
Trump fights fire with fire and he's the bad guy.
Friggin' hypocrites: you got a log stuck in your eye but all you worry about is the speck in his. Your garden is nuthin' but weeds, but his -- mostly flowers -- is an affront to the eye.
The American Press (ALL of it from MSNBC to FOX News; from the New York Times to the New York Post) is nuthin' but a vast propaganda machine, sumthin' largely ignored by various strains of communitarian. These various outlets lie all the damn time (out & out, and through skewin' and interpretin') and are given a pass.
Trump fights fire with fire and he's the bad guy.
Friggin' hypocrites: you got a log stuck in your eye but all you worry about is the speck in his. Your garden is nuthin' but weeds, but his -- mostly flowers -- is an affront to the eye.
The American press is not mandated to lead the nation.
No, the press is mandated to 'report' (sumthn' it hasn't done in a coon's age).
C'mon Henry, Trump's a lying motherfucker, over and over and over again. :rolleyes:
Of course he's a lyin' motherfucker,
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
I didn't hire him to be honest, I hired him to wreck shit.
Mebbe you like the status quo: bully for you.
Me: I want government pared down, leaned out, powered down, and brought under heel.
Trump ain't the end point; he just a goddamned waystation.
He's doin' exactly what I want him to do, so he can lie, cheat, steal, and whore around to his heart's content.
Trump fills a niche.
I'd like to fill Ivanka's niche.
It's all about the niches.
Of course he's a lyin' motherfucker,
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
I didn't hire him to be honest, I hired him to wreck shit.
Mebbe you like the status quo: bully for you.
Me: I want government pared down, leaned out, powered down, and brought under heel.
Trump ain't the end point; he just a goddamned waystation.
He's doin' exactly what I want him to do, so he can lie, cheat, steal, and whore around to his heart's content.
This discounts the realization by others of the value of a good government.
By 'their' standards: probably.
By my standards: nope.
Good government is minimal, weak, under heel, manned by proxies.
To get to 'that' what we have 'now' has to be beaten black and blue like a hooker on a Saturday night. It has to be castrated like a child-rapin' priest oughta be. It has to be shackled in the basement, fed week-old roadkill and hauled out only to chop wood and fetch water.
Government should rightfully be our bitch.
Trump is a (not 'the') awkward means to that, a halting step in the right direction; he's a blunt instrument, a jagged piece of shit-covered glass.
I'm sure you disagree with my notions about government and how I assess Trump.
That's okay. Don't be a 'tw' and I got no beef with you.
I didn't hire him to be honest, I hired him to wreck shit.
The trouble with wrecking shit is that the results are wholly unpredictable.
I used to have a similar attitude - though coming at it from a different angle and with a different end goal in mind...seems the only thing Trump voters share with revolutionary politics is nihilism. Burn it down and start again - shatter the body politic to rebuild it differently.
No, it's burn down everybody's shit but mine. :rolleyes:
"The trouble with wrecking shit is that the results are wholly unpredictable."
No, that's not the 'trouble', that's the 'point'.
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"nihilism"
I'm no nihilist.
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"Burn it down and start again - shatter the body politic to rebuild it differently."
Yep. That's 'optimism'. The nihilist, having no hope, just accepts the garbage and wallows in it.
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"No, it's burn down everybody's shit but mine."
No, it's 'have the right kind of shit to begin with and defend it in rough times'.
If you don't, if you can't: :cry:
But isn't "the right kind of shit" pretty subjective?
In context: 'right' ain't all that subjective.
There are many kinds of footwear that people will argue is best from sneakers to steel arched hiking boots.
Heels? Nope, says so on the sign.
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Now I bet your thinking that ain't right, you(they) should be able to wear what you want.
But if you do you'll probably get hurt maybe break an ankle. Then you'll be looking for paramedics, a mountain rescue team, an ambulance, maybe even a helicopter. All that manpower(money) and resources(mo money) to save your dumb ass.
Not to mention the cost of insurance to cover, and lawyers to defend the trail owner, medics, rescue team and shoe manufacturer from your lawsuits. :p:
"they should be able to wear what they want."
Absolutely. They 'can' wear what they like.
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"break an ankle...paramedics, mountain rescue team, ambulance, maybe a helicopter, all to save their dumb ass."
In the world I want: they got thenselves into it, they can get themselves out of it.
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"Not to mention the cost of insurance to cover, and lawyers to defend the trail owner, medics, rescue team and shoe manufacturer from your lawsuits."
In the world I want: financing their healthcare is 'their' business, and the court would dismiss any such case based on 'hiker beware' (your dumb ass is your concern, dumbass).
In the world I want: morons and parasites wouldn't last long.
In the current world: hikers who stumble out unprepared can get others to foot the bill for their ill-preperation.
Yeah, let's keep doin' that... :mad:
In the world I want: morons and parasites wouldn't last long.
Is that a suicide note?
First indications of a recession are apparent. First to suffer will be the least innovative companies operated to make profits; not a better product.
GM is spending about $1billion more each year for steel because the scumbag Don wants to protect least productie (not innovative) industries - ie steel manufacturer.
That stupidity combined with bad designing over the past 20 years means GM must now fire 15% of its white collar employees and shut five assembly plants. The Don will deny he made it worse - because he is only preaching to brainwashed supporters - who will deny facts.
This problem is easily seen in one of the world's crappiest cars - Chevy Volt.
Clinton spend $millions in 1994 so that GM could have a world first hybrid in 1999. The Precept was canceled by Donald Trump type dummies (ie John Smith and Rick Wagoner) because George Jr said hybrid innovation was from Clinton - so it must be evil.
Business school graduates hate anything that is innovative. That will only increase costs. So they killed all hybrids to increase profits. Patriotic American companies (all foreign manufacturers) even in Asia and Europe made hybrids. Finally GM created the Chevy Volt in 2010. How many years to finally do what Honda and Toyota sold in 2001? Worse, a Chevy Volt engine cannot even recharge its battery. It is that Donald Trump dumb.
Since business school graduates (not product people) designed GM products 10 and 20 years ago, then cars like the Volt mean more and massive losses and employee firings. GM product are so bad that GM even needs V-8 engines.
A problem only made worse by The Don who has no idea what makes a business profitable. Wacko extremist is so dumb as to erect tariffs to further destroy American jobs. This is only a precursor to what is coming.
So many facts say a recession has started. George Jr did same in 2001 (destroy a Clinton economy) to create a massive downturn in 2007. That is how depressions and recessions happen.
Of course extremists will deny this. The current Obama economy is being harmed. Wackos do not like their hero being accurately described as dumb - and a daily liar.
GM simply demonstrates what has already started in other industries - in part due to obvious lies and harm created by a business school graduate.
Plans submitted this year for housing developments in four years have slowed to a trickle in many counties. Another fact that says, "Here comes the Trump economy".
This problem is easily seen in one of the world's crappiest cars - Chevy Volt.
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Worse, a Chevy Volt engine cannot even recharge its battery. It is that Donald Trump dumb.
That is weird... I guess I understand their explanation (arriving at the destination with an empty battery and charging there will likely be cheaper than charging using gas). Whether it's a good strategy would likely depend on your usage; if you almost never fully drain the battery, it probably is a cost saver.
But they're eliminating the Volt, so it'll be up to Tesla and foreign manufacturers to learn any such lessons.
I guess I understand their explanation (arriving at the destination with an empty battery and charging there will likely be cheaper than charging using gas).
The Chevy Volt was suppose to be 100% electric. But the design, when it was proposed, was subverted repeatedly by cost controllers. To save the design, it was patched together to a gas motor.
Read what Toyota did to implement a gas motor with a battery, energy from brakes, etc. That controller is complex - more complex than the design of a new motor. So business school graduates did what they understand. They understood obsolete technologies. So that was pushed into the Volt as a separated system.
Cost controls. Eliminate the complex interface and costs go down ... only on a spread sheet.
Chevy Volt is a
kludge created because business school graduates constantly 'fixed' the design. Then they made some silly excuse that people would rarely need the motor.
BTW, gasoline uses less energy than recharging from fossil fuels burned in some distant generation station. Also explains why electric heat is also so expensive. Currently is no alternative to fossil fuels - either burned efficiently in the car or burned far away and transported to the car with greater thermodynamic losses and further battery losses.
Well it could be worse. Someone could foolishly propose hydrogen as a fuel.
What makes a hybrid so superior? Same reason why 1940 locomotives used that technology So that a rail car can go 400 miles on one gallon of fuel. Electricity stored in a battery could never do that. Too many losses.
Hybrid was the innovation in 1990s. 2020 and GM business school graduates still cannot make one. Mary Barra must now first what the Donald Trump types did that long ago.
GM (like Kmart and Sears, GE, etc) are first indicators of a recession that has started. First to be hurt are companies who made profits rather than innovated ten years ago. What happened ten years ago determines an economy today. In the case of the Volt, what happened 17 years ago is why that piece of crap exists today - destroying jobs.
I can't speak at all to how well they implemented it, but the idea itself makes sense. If you don't run out of battery, the gas motor never turns on, and it is an electric car. For regular use, you never use gas.
If you do run out of battery, you can do two things - run the motor to generate power, use the power to charge the battery, and then run off of the battery, or run the motor to generate electric power and run the motor with that power, leaving the battery drained until you can plug it in. The latter seems more efficient.
BTW, gasoline uses less energy than recharging from fossil fuels burned in some distant generation station.
I doubt that, or it would be more efficient to run your house off of a generator than the grid.
From that article:
When the battery is depleted, a 1-liter, three-cylinder turbocharged engine spins at a constant speed, or revolutions per minute (rpm), to create electricity and replenish the battery.
It was a lie back then when we engineers were saying so long ago. They lied for the same reason why The Don lies. Its all about enriching the Central Committee of the Party. And raping the many fools who know only because they are liberal or conservative - do not think for themself.
Facts and numbers said Chevy Volt was promoted using Trump style lies. Like Trump, they were business school graduates - educated to even make spread sheets lie.
Another lie pushed by same liars was ethanol (ie E85). That lie also was expose here long ago by others.
Why gas prices are too high...
Rescind The Ethanol Mandate
Again, from that article is what so many naysayers should now be sheepishly admitting today:
We don't know how to feel about this news. Certainly, from an engineering perspective and total cost of operation, it does make sense. That 1.4-liter four-banger doesn't have the power to both motivate the quite-beefy Volt and recharge the battery pack, and it probably allows the on-board generator to take advantage of constant RPM efficiency tricks.
It does not have power because GM engines often need two extra pistons to get power routinely found in patriotic Toyota, BMW, Hyundai, Mercedes, and Honda engines. This was also constantly discussed here long ago - horsepower per liter. Problem exists because so many wackos hate America: "Buy American" rather than do what patriots do: "Believe in the free market. Buy the best."
But patriotism does not create bigger bonuses for the Central Committee (Trump types). So even the naive here denied it back then and may still deny these many examples today.
Anyone can see why diesel-electric locomotives in the 1930s were the future. And still GM cannot make one work in 2010s - eighty years later. And GM even made locomotives. Another trophy for people who are as smart as Donald Trump.
Fortunately Volt is a first victim of what appears to be the beginning of a Trump inspired recession. Volt has long been an example of what makes America grate.
From that article:
When the battery is depleted, a 1-liter, three-cylinder turbocharged engine spins at a constant speed, or revolutions per minute (rpm), to create electricity and replenish the battery.
It was a lie back then when we engineers were saying so long ago.
Indeed; the article itself is about how that quote was not true. I was talking about the later quotes, also in the article.
Indeed; the article itself is about how that quote was not true. I was talking about the later quotes, also in the article.
Which ones? As stated earlier, recharging from the grid is less efficient than a gasoline-electric or diesel-electric technology. Losses in creating, transporting, charging and storing energy in a battery is still inefficient.
Which ones?
There are only two others.
"a gasoline/E85-powered engine generator seamlessly provides electricity to power the Volt's electric drive unit while simultaneously sustaining the charge of the battery."
"The reason it does that is because we want you to arrive with the batteries 'empty,' filling up on grid power costs about 1/6th of what it does with gas."
As stated earlier, recharging from the grid is less efficient than a gasoline-electric or diesel-electric technology.
As stated earlier, I doubt it, or we'd all be running our houses off of generators.
As stated earlier, I doubt it, or we'd all be running our houses off of generators.
Other factors (ie changing loads, constant maintenance, less reliability, etc) make home generation impractical. And that is only one of many reasons why batteries are not - cannot be 1/6th less expensive. Less expensive than current obsolete gas only? Yes. Only slightly. Obviously. Because even the changing load problem is massive in cars. Gasoline engines are particularly bad - efficiencies drip massively - when loads are constantly changing.
Best efficiencies are still found in gas-electric and diesel-electric technologies. GM does not even have that. Then suddenly those business school graduates will make electric only work? Well, that will probably be the technology in 30 years. But currently it still does not work - except in vehicles that never travel any distances. And in vehicles that can wait long periods to recharge.
What is the worst (most destructive) thing to do to a battery? Run it all the way down. Then batteries must be replaced often. American hybrids (from companies who let engineers design) will get about 100,00 miles from a battery. Why? Batteries are not deeply discharged. One never wants to arrive with the battery empty.
BTW why do you give credence to a guy who only recently discovered that the Volt was that crappy? He did not know what was obvious back then. So where is he getting his numbers from? He does not give a single reason why. He has a credibility problem.
Like I said, I make no claims on the actual performance of the Volt in particular.
I was just surprised by the claim that it didn't charge the battery with the gas motor, because it was counter-intuitive, but then the explanation made sense, and it is probably the correct behavior for a vehicle intended to primarily be a plug-in electric car.
Other factors (ie changing loads, constant maintenance, less reliability, etc) make home generation impractical.
The biggest factor making home generation impractical is economies of scale, which a plug-in car can take full advantage of.
Then suddenly those business school graduates will make electric only work? Well, that will probably be the technology in 30 years. But currently it still does not work - except in vehicles that never travel any distances.
That is the intended market for the Volt; the gas engine is for the rare cases when it goes past the battery range.
What is the worst (most destructive) thing to do to a battery? Run it all the way down. Then batteries must be replaced often. American hybrids (from companies who let engineers design) will get about 100,00 miles from a battery. Why? Batteries are not deeply discharged. One never wants to arrive with the battery empty.
The second quote has quotes around 'empty'; it doesn't actually go to zero. The first quote says it sustains the charge of the battery, presumably at the level GM felt was the proper minimum for the battery type they were using.
I was just surprised by the claim that it didn't charge the battery with the gas motor, because it was counter-intuitive, but then the explanation made sense, and it is probably the correct behavior for a vehicle intended to primarily be a plug-in electric car.
That was not the original design. Volt originally was suppose to have no engine - only batteries. But it did not do what was required - too late. So a motor was added afterwards - a
kludge. Without the tiny but complex box that would make it a hybrid.
I noted that both before AND so many years ago. It was a
kludge because GM engineers no longer design products. Engine was not in the original design.
Volt was so badly designed that when taken to a interview with PBS reporters, it was rolled out of the tractor trailer and would not move.
Biggest factor in home generation is changing loads. Economies of scale is a very popular myth promoted inaccurately by economists. Previous attempts to use an otherwise more efficient solution discovered other problems.
Example: over ten years ago, an airport operator was moving his entire facility off the grid. But that meant he could not have electric clocks, TVs that power on using a remote controller, etc. Because these thing draw power constantly (ie vampire consumers). Meaning generation must provide massive power to only power tiny watt appliances.
Just one of many reasons why single home power generation does not work.
Fiat tried doing same some 20 years ago (using Fiat engines). They discovered same problems. Electricity from fuel was most efficient when loads were constant. But loads vary massively in homes - subverting those efficiencies.
Hybrids do not have that problem.
Volt was suppose to be all electric. But its design ended up being so bad that a gasoline engine was added. Since that design had already taken too many years, then no time existed to properly implement a gas engine into a hybrid.
Apparently that author did not know many things. He did not know the engine could not charge its battery. He believed GM lies. And he did not understand that electric only cars still do not achieve the necessary 'less energy' requirement. And have numerous other compromises.
So Elon Musk is spending so much to still fix those problems.
A battery company A123 was not so successful - was not doing the necessary innovations. So they went bankrupt in 2012.
Too many problems still remain to be solved. Hybrids have not yet achieved their superiority. And are the future. All electric cars need maybe another 20 years of development.
Meanwhile, The Don is attacking GM repeatedly today. He will not admit why he has caused GM's necessary 15% employee layoff. He protected the anti-America steel manufacturers by doing what always destroys trade and jobs - tariffs. So GM's costs increased by $1 billion annually. Directly traceable to a president with micro intelligence and an excessive ego. Who then blames all other for disasters that he creates.
Volt is an early victim. Questions remain if a Chevy Spark may be the next victim.
Comparison
If the owner of a Volt makes lots of long trips, their cost can approach $1.60 per 25 miles, which is more than that of a Prius, at $1.29.
If they never run down the battery, their cost is $1.01.
Which approach is better depends on expected usage.
The first x miles of the trip will be at $1.01/25 mi, and $1.60 after that. It starts cheaper, but there's a point at which it gets more expensive than the Prius.
(Assumptions from the page: gas is $2.69/gal, electricity $0.13/kWh. Local rates will affect the crossover point as well.)
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Those numbers are highly inflated. GM cars are routinely designed to get a highest EPA number at the expense of reality. EPA says the engine gets 42 MPG. Most owners are getting 35. Road and Track could not exceed 39 MPG.
Meanwhile, EPA highway mileage numbers are achieved or exceeded in competition products. For example, my Honda Accord, rated 28 MPG on the highway, routinely does over 30 MPG in all driving - local or highway. Lowest I ever got was 28 in much local driving short distances in winter.
GM's 42 MPG for Volt is clearly suspect. It was always a bad design since it was originally designed to only be an EV - no gasoline motor. It took almost 10 years to design and still does not do what superior cars do - a true hybrid.
As a kludge, numbers that GM promotes are always suspect. It is and should be a early victim of The Don's campaign to harm America business with tariffs, trade wars, subverting trade deals, and other job destroying actions.
Just talked to a Chevy salesman. They sold no Volts. They are not even permitted to sell Bolts. And the Chevy Spark is another disaster. They often do not have any in stock since it does not sell.
Meanwhile, I believe Ford sells a true hybrid that can also be charged from AC for short distances. Then a cold gasoline engine need not run when it is least efficient and causing most wear.
Those numbers are highly inflated. GM cars are routinely designed to get a highest EPA number at the expense of reality. EPA says the engine gets 42 MPG. Most owners are getting 35. Road and Track could not exceed 39 MPG.
Meanwhile, EPA highway mileage numbers are achieved or exceeded in competition products. For example, my Honda Accord, rated 28 MPG on the highway, routinely does over 30 MPG in all driving - local or highway. Lowest I ever got was 28 in much local driving short distances in winter.
Eh, they're all based on best-case scenarios. My Prius doesn't get 52 unless I hit a major traffic jam on the Beltway (suspect definition of "best-case scenario"). On average, it's below 45. YMMV (ha ha!)
tw missed his calling, he could have been the next Dr Seuss. With his talent for taking a fact or two and weaving a story that works his fantasies and prejudices into the scenario. The scary part is he believes it. :rolleyes:
On the bright side, Trumpy had a no good very bad day yesterday.
Volt as designed was so bad that they had to remove batteries and add a motor. There is no replacement for that Kludge. Trump actually did good for America. His tariffs killed crap called a Volt.
As usual, GM's mythical 42 MPG from its motor is only a pathetic 35 MPG. My Civics routinely did 40 MPG. A Lexus hybrid just up from Virginia - he was routinely doing in the mid to high 40s MPG. That is a larger car.
Many Chevy dealers are not permitted to sell the Bolt. Bolt is the $50,000 attempt to compete with Tesla. Obviously it is also not selling.
Chevy Spark, that should have been a hybrid, was designed using last generations technology. No hybrid version (as best I can tell) is even in the planning stage. Another trophy for the GM showcase.
No fact yet justified the Volt. It was crap. Any advantage it has is even found in hybrids from Ford. Volt is another GM trophy alongside the EV1.
A Volt battery only gets 40 miles? Golf carts designed to be licensed are almost as good.
The automotive press has also been just as critical. So the naive also call them demented.
Trumpy had a no good very bad day yesterday.
Which part was significant?
They will sell you a Bolt for like $38K, with a range of 238 miles per charge.
This is actually ahead of Tesla Model 3. Currently you can buy a Model 3 for $45K, with a "mid range" battery pack and a range of 260 miles. They are hoping to find the efficiencies to bring that down to $38K for a "standard" battery pack with a range of 220 miles, in the next six months, and they have a whole set of reservations for that car at that price.
I read the Car and Driver review for the Bolt and they love it
I would not buy one... I would get the Tesla.
Because
Autopilot.
They will sell you a Bolt for like $38K, with a range of 238 miles per charge.
Due to massive overhead, GM cannot make a profit if they do not sell 50,000 annually. The Corvette has always been a problem due to so few sales.
I was surprised to learn that Bolt can only be sold by a few dealers. At 20,000, it does not and cannot make a profit. Volts sales were also as pathetic.
Because their cars are designed by engineers, for example, Mazda made a profit on the Miyata in its first year at 17,000. Due to the 'economy of scale' myth, GM can never make a profit on sales that tiny. Meaning the Volt and Bolt remain unprofitable.
Ironically the Chevy Cruz. that sells just under 200,000 annually, is also being canceled as unprofitable. Another trophy for The Donald showcase.
Tesla dealerships are
prohibited by law in Michigan, Texas, Connecticut, Utah, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Wisconsin. They are allowed five dealerships in all of New York State.
That's another reason why I would buy one if I could. Because fuck that.
But they're not dealerships are they? They're Tesla showrooms and service centers owned and operated by Tesla? If this becomes legal how long before Toyota and Ford start doing this to enhance their bottom line?
We should let LJ weigh in on this, but --
How long before they can freely sell the things they create? (In a free market?)
Anyone should be able to sell anything to anyone, as long as it's legal. It seems to me that many/most car companies will still want the leave the messy business of dealing with the general public to some other... entity.
Tesla's early market is people looking for a car averaging $100K. They are all early adopters; they've drunk the kool-aid. I suspect it will be a very different experience selling to average Josephine -- who walks in, with a credit rating lower than mine, and still wants the premium cupholders (and expects to charge the thing through a wall outlet and an extension cord out the window).
It seems to me that many/most car companies will still want the leave the messy business of dealing with the general public to some other... entity.
I'm not so sure
Automakers General Motors Corporation (GM) and Chrysler LLC have received $17.4 billion in loans under the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and have indicated that they may need up to an additional $21.6 billion in federal assistance to restructure their operations. As a condition of the loans, the companies are required to develop plans to achieve profitability. Much attention in the plans has centered on getting labor costs under control.
Among other measures addressed are ways to cut distribution costs. As part of its cost-cutting effort, GM has announced that it will reduce its dealership network from over 6,200 dealers today to 4,100. The cost of the auto distribution system in the United States has been estimated as averaging up to 30 percent of vehicle price. With dealer networks being rationalized as part of cost-cutting initiatives, direct manufacturer sales to car buyers may present an additional opportunity to lower distribution costs.
Such sales might range from consumers’ simply ordering assembled vehicles of their choice directly from automakers to a scenario along the lines of the “Dell Direct” build-to-order model that revolutionized the personal computer production and sale process.
GM initiated a build-to-order sales model in Brazil for its Chevrolet Celta economy car over eight years ago. In 2008, the Celta was among the sales leaders in Brazil. At the time of the Celta’s introduction, an auto analyst said that build-to-order could result in “spectacular improvements in the company’s competitiveness and profitability.”
linkI can envision the day when I can go to Amazon and order a car to my specifications and have it delivered to a dealership nearby. Or perhaps they can deliver to ANY dealer, like ordering tires and having them delivered to my tire shop.
Also, I can see porch pirates moving up to grand theft auto if they deliver to my door and I'm not at home. I dunno how my UPS mail store, who so ably handles my packages for me, would handle THAT!
I can envision the day when I can go to Amazon and order a car to my specifications and have it delivered to a dealership nearby. Or perhaps they can deliver to ANY dealer, like ordering tires and having them delivered to my tire shop.
Also, I can see porch pirates moving up to grand theft auto if they deliver to my door and I'm not at home. I dunno how my UPS mail store, who so ably handles my packages for me, would handle THAT!
Your dream has come true!That's used cars though.
Yabbut. Online shopping(!),
plus they bring the car to your door (or send a token to get it out of a vending machine). You get a week to decide if you like it,
and they'll take your old car in trade. How nutty is that?
:D
And in my own personal opinion, buying a new car is a losing deal - the car loses value the second you drive it off the lot, and insurance companies don't give a rat's ass if you wreck it on the way home from the dealership - you will NOT get full replacement value.
When you buy a "certified" used car, the vehicle has presumably been gone over by a crew of professional repair dudes, you can research typical problems with that particular make/model, and check costs against other similar vehicles sold in your area (price comparison tools), thereby ensuring that you're not paying too much for a decent vehicle.
You know, if I ever thought I would need another vehicle, I'd definitely consider this service. My Chevy Silverado (285,000 miles) and Volvo station wagon (82,000 miles) are both 20 years old and in excellent condition. I fully expect them both to outlive me, but if they don't, I'd definitely do some research on the Carvana webite.
With Chevy's new design your old Silverado's value just went way up!
Yabbut. Online shopping(!), plus they bring the car to your door (or send a token to get it out of a vending machine). You get a week to decide if you like it, and they'll take your old car in trade. How nutty is that?
Fine but keep in mind you're paying for all that, plus buying a car sight unseen.
When you buy a "certified" used car, the vehicle has presumably been gone over by a crew of professional repair dudes, you can research typical problems with that particular make/model, and check costs against other similar vehicles sold in your area (price comparison tools), thereby ensuring that you're not paying too much for a decent vehicle.
Professional repair dudes know what they have to take care of, and what can be hidden so it won't be a problem until it's your problem. You're still buying a pig in a poke for probably more money than a private sale, but if you trust them, and you're willing to pay for the convenience, that's cool.
With Chevy's new design your old Silverado's value just went way up!
Heh. I think EVERY full-size truck's value just went up. Honestly, the new Silverado exterior is awful. :greenface
2020 Chevy Silverado HD is 910 pound-feet of ugly
As for
my Silverado, I wouldn't sell this thing for any amount of money! In my opinion, the older Silverados are some of the toughest, longest-lasting, always dependable trucks ever made. Mine has a nearly indestructible 350 vortec engine, the body doesn't have a lick of rust, starts first time every time, takes me up and down crazy gravel roads in any weather, it's got a hauling package so I can load it to the gills and it doesn't falter or complain, it just keeps going. Other than regular maintenance and the occasional renew/repair job (I did have the steering replaced a few years ago), it has been reliably worry-free.
If my truck somehow died, I'd absolutely buy an exact duplicate. :heart-on:
Fine but keep in mind you're paying for all that, plus buying a car sight unseen.
Professional repair dudes know what they have to take care of, and what can be hidden so it won't be a problem until it's your problem. You're still buying a pig in a poke for probably more money than a private sale, but if you trust them, and you're willing to pay for the convenience, that's cool.
But you have a week to like it or send it back. That means (as you should do when buying ANY used car), you research the make/model first, choose the one you like, then take it to your
own mechanic and have him give it a good going over.
Enh. It's all theoretical anyway, since my two vehicles are going to last
at least as long as I do. ;)
Remember the old square-bodied pre-1987 Chevy/GMC pick-em-up-trucks?
I used to joke that, because they were made for so long, you could set one on fire, push it over a cliff into a pond, then come back a year later and $500 would put that sumbitch back on the road.
As long as ya didn't mind holes in your cab corners.
And the rocker panels.
And the bedsides.
And the bed.
Remember the old square-bodied pre-1987 Chevy/GMC pick-em-up-trucks?
I used to joke that, because they were made for so long, you could set one on fire, push it over a cliff into a pond, then come back a year later and $500 would put that sumbitch back on the road.
I still see those old trucks on the road all the time, out here. They're usually pretty beat up, but they're still rolling and that's saying something.
Yeah, but when I was driving it daily and keeping it clean. Now I drive it about twice a year and that red paint is impossible to prevent oxidation without steady maintenance. My state inspection expired... about 4 years ago. :haha:
As if he is not dumb enough, well, everyone has learned what happens when Phase Four planning is eliminated. Because George Jr pulled out of Afghanistan to unilaterally attack Iraq (for no purpose), then the Taliban took back most of Afghanistan. That mistake means we spent over a $trillion in constant war in Afghanistan.
Principles were clearly defined in Art of War over 2500 years ago. But we have a man whose dic is his brain. So he will now harm more allies - in this case Kurds and others. No phase four planning because Trump want to preach to our wacko extremists how smart he is. He wants to create a massive power vacuum by pulling 2000 Americans out of Syria. And says to all American allies that no longer respect them. To even advance potential American adversaries - including Taliban, ISIS, Assad, Russians, and Chinese.
This asshole has no successes. Not only has he massively increased the Federal debt and deficit. He even agreed to let North Korea build launch sites to deploy missiles that can strike US territories. While preaching to the naive that he solved the N Korean problem. He has forced nations bordering the South China Sea to stop becoming American allies and become Chinese allies. And now he wants to create a potential massacre of American allies such as Kurds.
It has already been compared to Obama pulling us out of Iraq so ISIS could flourish.
It's not the same though. Trump is looking for government agencies to tap for money to build the Wall. He can pull us out of our current military engagements to get the money if Congress won't give it to him. He can shut down the government so they can't do anything about it either.
It's also good to pull our troops out of areas where we may want to use tactical nukes. Why waste all that manpower just to achieve stalemates at an exorbitant cost. If we don't like what happens over there after we're gone, we'll just teach 'em to do the neutron dance from afar.
What a clever way to pay for a beautiful new wall that will be the envy of all our allies. It's a wonderful world.
He only has to built a short section of wall and photograph it from a dozen angles then photoshop it onto any background for tweets.
Nobody would dispute it except the mainstream fake news organizations like ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, al jazeera, etc.
Trump even lies about his lies. Why is Mexico not paying the $5billion for the wall. Oh. He was only preaching to his brainwashed Nazi, White Supremacists, and KKK supporters.
No Secretary of Defense has even resigned with a damning indictment of his boss - until today. And still the wacko extremists love their Godfather Don. Its only business. Soldier lives are only an expense on the spread sheet.
Will he also lie about them on his taxes?
And still the wacko extremists love their Godfather Don.
What they love about him most is he pisses you off.
We're going to let Mexico work off the $5 billion they owe us for the wall by sending Mariachis out to entertain our troops.
Steel Slat Barrier. Looks like a great design, but wait... what?
What they love about him most is he pisses you off.
Exposing mental incompetence does not create such silly emotions in an adult who is an adult. But it sure does make the wackos here angry.
Steel Slat Barrier. Looks like a great design, but wait... what?
But of course. Those are the North Korean missiles that are not being built.
The premise that adults are without emotion is baseless, untrue, and silly.
Trump can steal the treasury, fuck a parade of whores, and start a war, but the base won't care as long as it pisses off the/you lefty libtards.
Can you understand that?
What they love about him most is he pisses you off.
A party whose only principle, other than giving money to the rich, is just do the opposite of what the other party does.
For better or worse -- "Not Trump" was the main losing platform in 2016, main winning platform in 2018, and surely will be the same winning or losing platform in 2020.
In 2016, the winning platform was ABC (Anyone But Clinton). The Dems weren't astute enough to realize that. If they run someone else, who isn't Clintonesque, they have a very good chance of winning.
That means not running someone who uses political correctness as a weapon to intimidate the population into catering to simple majorities that have knee-jerk reactions and are inclined to bypass the Constitution's protocols for change.
The premise that adults are without emotion is ...
you not reading what was posted. Nobody put forware that premise - except you. Please read what was written before jumping to conclusions.
Are you lying or stupid? You've been hawking the premise adults don't have emotions, only children do, forever. That's your basic argument against anyone who disagrees with you, and has been forever. :frog:
Are you lying or stupid? You've been hawking the premise adults don't have emotions, only children do, forever.
So you did not read what was written. You simply demonstrate the premise. You did not use your logical brain - read what was written. Instead you immediately became emotional and jumped to the conclusion you wanted to see.
Please read what was written. Not what your emotions wanted to read. I never said that that you have attributed to me. Rather than be emotional, go back and read something that is different.
The Godfather Don is smarter than all Generals. So he just finished firing them all.
The Don said Mexico will pay for a wall. Anyone here who did not post nasty comment about that scumbag must love him. So The Don knows he can get Americans to pay for the wall. He knows people so dumb as to not call him what he is will also forget that The Don said Mexico will pay for a wall.
And so The Don does harm to the American government - all over his wall of penis sticks.
Both presidents who were business school graduates created economic downturns and recessions that could become great depressions. We know how close in 2007 we came to making Hoover's 1029 mistake. Under George Jr, the stock market went down constantly. It only took The Don two years to do same.
Of course, anyone who learned basic economics knows a tax cut causes a short term economic increase followed by a recission. But we did not even get benefits from The Don's tax cuts for the rich. Those should appear in 2019. But we are already starting a recession. Least patriotic Americans (Trump supporter) will say anything to deny it.
Many friends who only voted Republican their entire life (graduates of Harvard Law, Duke Law, Harvard Business, etc) all (every one) voted against Trump. They all knew how dumb, stupid, and destructive this fool could be. Now the less informed can appreciate what they voted for.
Last surviving general was the first Sec of Defense to write a resignation letter criticizing his boss. So Trump fired him immediately.
The guy who has held together an allied coalition in Syria just resigned effective immediately. He did not even give two weeks notice. The reason also obvious - a dumb president who is loved even by Nazis, White Supremacists, and KKK.
No problem. We know The Don is now doing what Hitler did during WWII. Hitler also said he was smarter than his generals. Hitler also overrode his Generals orders to create events such as Stalingrad. Trump, like Hitler, is now making more decisions since he, too, is smarter. And only surrounds himself with 'yes men'.
Anyone notice what Trump has encouraged in Ukraine? The Russians appear to be moving militarily on Ukrainian ports on the Sea of Avov. Since Putin is playing chess against an American buffoon.
Even North Korea appears to be building launch silos for atomic intercontinental missiles. All while The Don insists he solved that problem. American intelligence agencies are saying something different.
No problem. The Don is fully supported by extremists in the Cellar. So everything must be good.
Don't worry. Be happy.
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Don't worry. Be happy.
Can the
"Big Giant Head" really sing?
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Who has the bigger giant head? Shatner or Trump? Which one is inflated by hot air (which proves he is smarter than the generals)?
Trump's in Iraq. We'll have to wait for a side by side comparison.
The child is not satisfied with tantrums that harm the American government and economy. He now threatens to harm Turkey's economy.
The Turks responded logically like adults who are adults. They said they do not conduct diplomacy over Twitter.
I kind of get the sense that they're starting to load the circus train, but I'm doing my best not to watch too closely.
I kind of get the sense that they're starting to load the circus train, but I'm doing my best not to watch too closely.
Circus went bankrupt. The Don has a long history of profiting from failed organizations. Destroying things to enrich only himself. After all, if he gains by screwing other Americans (currently almost one million Federal employees), then he has made America great. Then adults who are still children will praise him.
37 of Trump's top people are under indictment for corruption. His long history is to keep lying while spending massively on corrupt lawyers to settle lawsuits. He has even made Nixon look honest.
The Economist demonstrates what we expect in coming years (including a wasting of many servicemen for no purpose).
In a corporate culture based in fear and intimidation, it may appear that targets are being achieved in the short term. But in the long run the effect likely is to be counterproductive. Studies show that fear inhibits learning. And when confronted with a problem, scared workers find ways of covering it up or getting around it with ineffective practices. ...
It is hard to be either constructive or creative if you are not confident about speaking out.
The Don uses this technique to enrich himself at the expensive of his companies, his employees, and his business partners. When caught and confessing, well, the bully even attacks his long time trusted lawyer as incompetent. We (the US and its allies) are simply a next organizations he intends to harm - to enrich himself.
Adults who only use their reptilian brain will love him for doing that. As one Naz like support says:
Of course he's a lyin' motherfucker,
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
I didn't hire him to be honest, I hired him to wreck shit.
The Donald moves in mysterious ways.
Naz
no account zealot?
nasty anarchist zombie?
necro asshole zoologist?
neo applied zen?
And a fine job he's doin'.
Good on him: too bad for you.
"In just five more days, Trump could literally pull the drain-plug on the 'swamp' and reduce the Federal workforce by 25%. This would be a YUGE down-sizing of the bureaucracy. Considering that all these employees were classified as "non-essential" by their own Federal agencies, this strikes me as a "right-sizing" that is waaay overdue." -some other horrible anarchistic monster
The Donald moves in mysterious ways.
We need the wall - to build a prison large enough for The Don and his large felonious staff. [COLOR="Magenta"]Build That Wall![/COLOR]
For anyone who thinks Trump's base is sitting on the sidelines saying Trump's cool, you're sadly mistaken.
They are out there working the interwebs with a passion, and some are talented, usually wrong, but never in doubt.
Too early to claim a snack, Scooby.
Let's see if this is 'true' or just Old Man Jenkins in a fright mask (again).
A threat to American borders only exists in bad fiction promoted to and by the least educated. Hate says immigrants are evil. Even though immigrants are a greatest source of new American companies and technologies. America needs something like 2 million employees just to bring in the crops. So only (somewhere around) 50,000 work visas are issued.
They come, work, and once went back home. Now they must stay and work here. Then hate of hard working people is easily promoted by one who says he also wants to 'wreck shit'. No wonder he worships The Donald.
tw is goin' to bed sad
:cry:
henry quirk will put anyone on his enemies list. Nixon was more moral. You had to work hard to get on his enemies list.
...cuz he's a commie bastid.
...cuz he's a commie bastid.
So Nixon is a commie bastard. "Insults are us" - which is different from the good people called the US.
Are you Nixon?
No.
You're 'tw' (commie bastid).
Don't feel bad: I'm an anarchistic bastid.
You're at the 'sew everyone together' side and I'm way the hell over on the 'get the hell away from me' side.
We're monsters, you and me, with most of the other (human) cellarites meanderin' over the middle ground between us.
Hate it as you must: you and me are more alike than different.
You're my (hated, absolutely wrong about every damn thing) brother.
We're monsters, you and me...
The two o' yas are British chicks with purple lips???:eek:
:stickpoke
I think I poked three people with one stick, there.:bolt:
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The two o' yas are British chicks with purple lips???
So much fun is priming the pump. To demonstrate what really inspires extremists - ie 'wreck shit'. Prime the pump to discover more quirky gems. He demonstrates, rather facetiously, why we have Trump.
May as well obtain benefit from his farcical reasoning. Since we have at least two more years of a depressing reality; leaders who obtain power through insults, misogyny, tyranny, vanity, felonies, and greed.
Yes, I do, my brother, by drawin' out your venom.
We have Trump cuz we needed a blunt, raw weapon to use against commies like yourself. If you and yours weren't such extremists, my brother, if you and yours could take a more 'individual' path (like me), then Trump wouldn't be neccessary. But, no, you and yours insist on (some variation of) the Holy Writ of Marx & Engels, you and yours demand observance of and submission to Karl & Fred's anti-life 'philosophy', so now you and yours have Trump to contend with (till 2024).
We have Trump cuz we needed a blunt, raw weapon to use against commies like yourself. I
We have Trump who even photoshops his pictures to show him less obese than he really is. That is an honest man? Yes, to an extremist.
Even Nixon was not that vain. And you also loved Nixon.
"That is an honest man?"
Nope: he a weapon...a cudgel...a broken bottle...a gun.
He ain't honest (or even human).
He's chemo/radiation to rout a cancer (you and yours)
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"And you also loved Nixon."
Wasn't fond of him, no, but if I had to choose between his rotting carcass and yours, he wins every time.
Nope: he a weapon...a cudgel...a broken bottle...a gun.
Somehow "wrecking shit" is good. Building a nation and a safer world is not.
Wreckin' commie shit (your shit) 'is' good.
Buildin' a commie nation is 'not'.
And: a 'safer' world is a 'less free' world.
And: a 'safer' world is a 'less free' world.
Commie nations exist when one promotes intolerance, only wants to "wreck shit", and sees enemies lurking everywhere. Rather than deal with issues, an extremist attacks other personi. Ironically, henry quirk demonstrates the nature, attitude, justifications, and character of a communist party politburo.
Also what Hitler advocated in his book. A "them vs. us" hate mentality that so inspires extremists at the expense of moderates. It creates communist, corrupt, and other dictator type leaders.
Clearly we must 'wreck shit" because Trump is having an emotional tantrum over a trivial wall ... that must exist only to appease his extremist supporters.
One who has opinions based in facts would have discussed these realities - and not attack others like an extremist.
"Commie nations exist when one promotes intolerance, only wants to "wreck shit", and sees enemies lurking everywhere."
No, commie nations exist cuz folks like you denigrate the individual and turn him into a resource for your machine.
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"Rather than deal with issues, an extremist attacks other personi."
No, you just can't abide anyone who won't submit to commie rule.
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"Ironically, henry quirk demonstrates the nature, attitude, justifications, and character of a communist party politburo."
No, I exhibit the nature, attitude, reasons, and character of a man who wants to be left alone (sumthin' you and yours can't abide).
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"Also what Hitler advocated in his book. A "them vs. us" hate mentality that so inspires extremists at the expense of moderates."
You have way more in common with Adolph than me, and you are no moderate.
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"Clearly we must 'wreck shit" because Trump is having an emotional tantrum over a trivial wall ... that must exist only to appease his extremist supporters."
No, clearly commie shit must be wrecked.
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"One who has opinions based in facts would have discussed these realities - and not attack others like an extremist."
You're right: so when are you gonna stop doin' that stupid crap?
Henry, I don't understand how trying to make sure you can buy safe food and drugs, building highways and bridges, and keeping planes from running into each other, is taking away anyone's individual rights.
Bruce,
I'm guessin' this...
"Henry, I don't understand how trying to make sure you can buy safe food and drugs, building highways and bridges, and keeping planes from running into each other, is taking away anyone's individual rights."
...is in response to this...
"And: a 'safer' world is a 'less free' world."
...which I wrote in response to this...
"Somehow "wrecking shit" is good. Building a nation and a safer world is not."
What makes you think tw is talkin' about 'safe food & drugs, infrastructure, air safety, etc.'?
What makes you think tw is talkin' about 'safe food & drugs, infrastructure, air safety, etc.'?
If we take away tw's attempts to provoke an emotional response, you can whittle him down to basically a good government type. The main socialist I see making political inroads nationally is AOC. She seems successful as a reaction to Tea Party politics at the Federal level which has exposed individuals to predation by connected people and corporations. If we get extreme right wing politics we are rewarded with extreme left wing politics.
We are at a difficult moment in history, AI and automation are poised to put everybody out of a job while the right chews on the social safety net and wealth accumulates among the few. Some espouse extreme liberty and some extreme equality, I'm looking for an answer between the poles but acknowledge the the right wingers blew it by over-playing their hand.
Bruce,
I'm guessin' this...
"Henry, I don't understand how trying to make sure you can buy safe food and drugs, building highways and bridges, and keeping planes from running into each other, is taking away anyone's individual rights."
...is in response to this...
"And: a 'safer' world is a 'less free' world."
...which I wrote in response to this...
"Somehow "wrecking shit" is good. Building a nation and a safer world is not."
What makes you think tw is talkin' about 'safe food & drugs, infrastructure, air safety, etc.'?
No, I'm trying to understand your position on those things, where the government should and shouldn't. Also wondering if some of what I hear from you is not what you feel, but extreme rhetoric in your pissing match with tw's extreme bullshit.
If we get extreme right wing politics we are rewarded with extreme left wing politics.
Which returns to a same obvious conclusion. There is no left verses right. Those arguments are strawmen used by extremists to recruit the naive to their hype and spin. Reality is 'extremists verses moderates'. One can only mock the extremist quirks in our society. The emotional cannot grasp reality; only fears.
Sidebar: AI clearly does not mean less jobs. If true, than best make jobs by removing all computers from telco COs - that only destroyed jobs. Replace that job destroying computers with operators.
Reality: do that and less jobs will exist. Automation, that replaces humans with machines, actually creates MORE jobs. That makes no sense when a conclusion is based in 'open loop' reasoning. The world is 'closed loop'
We know repeatedly from history, nations that replace humans with machines have more jobs, less poverty, more wealth, better health, more growth, and social stability. AI is only a threat when using 'open loop' analysis. And by not learning well proven lessons from economics and so many 'less dismal' sciences.
She seems successful as a reaction to Tea Party politics at the Federal level which has exposed individuals to predation by connected people and corporations.
?
esplain further
"you can whittle him down to basically a good government type."
I disagree.
addendum: on second thought, you're right, he is a 'good government type'. It's simply that his notion of 'good government' (large, centralized, and in charge) conflicts with my notion of 'good government' (minimal, dispersed, and firmly under heel).
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"the right wingers blew it by over-playing their hand."
As I see it: both sides (of the coin) have overplayed their hand (and continue to).
"I'm trying to understand your position on those things"
Yeah, I'm a kind of minarchist, Bruce. I've written about it, debated about it (with Happy Monkey, for one) several times, in-forum.
Where were you?
"Reality is 'extremists verses moderates'"
No, reality is 'the mob (and its directors)' vs 'the one (and his conscience)'.
At UT:
Sure it's all about perception. AOC exists in part because Paul Ryan's work cutting taxes and ballooning deficits threatens all Federal spending including Social Security and Medicaid, but also because the Democrats took working people for granted. For years the political center in the US would have looked middle right from a European perspective. Center right (Third Way) Democrats became a force pushing solid middle right market liberalism raising the poor in much of the world but leaving American trade unionists and the working poor unrepresented. The GOP finds itself in a bind for voters and finds discontented rust belt workers, farmers, social conservatives, and pro-lifers an easy target. They turn up the nationalism, blame environmentalism to get farm votes, blame public education, and act like they're reconsidering their commitment to free trade. It's less deceptive than it all looks. The GOP won the market liberalism argument a long time ago but when the Democrats adopted their position they had no where to go. It's kind of a mad scramble. The elite in the Democratic Party seem to have the economic center right and social left covered. AOC and company don't have the same economic agenda and and the fear triggered by Ryan etc... feeds a lot of the Democrat electorate so she is carving out a space within the party.
That's quite a word salad. I'm not sure it makes any sense or if my thinking makes any sense.
We've moved too far right for too long, and when someone says they're gonna push back left, voters like it because that's what people want. The Democrats always could have gotten elected by doing that, but they don't actually want to move left unless it's in response to a specific soundbyte.
"That's quite a word salad. I'm not sure it makes any sense or if my thinking makes any sense."
It makes sense, but you're overthinkin' it.
It really is simple: the fundamental schism has always been between those who would direct (along with those who want direction) and those who self-direct (and resent bein' told what to do).
You can label the schism a lot of ways...
many vs one
we vs i
communitarian vs libertarian
tribe vs solitary
...but labels aside, it's about folks who think they know what's best for everyone vs folks who say 'no, you don't, so leave me be'.
"We've moved too far right for too long, and when someone says they're gonna push back left, voters like it because that's what people want. The Democrats always could have gotten elected by doing that, but they don't actually want to move left unless it's in response to a specific soundbyte."
Yeah, no, that ain't close at all.
The U.S. has become communitarian (a state encompassing most of the repub and dem parties [the right & left], a state even infecting the libertarian party [a group of folks who ought to know better]).
I'd hope we could have a "country" that includes the left and the right.
...instead of the zoo of undisciplined animals we have now.
Nobody in wheelchairs, though, right?
...absolutely they're my kinda people.
"I'm trying to understand your position on those things"
Yeah, I'm a kind of minarchist, Bruce. I've written about it, debated about it (with Happy Monkey, for one) several times, in-forum.
Where were you?
I was in the peanut gallery watching a reasonable discussion of opposing views, unlike you and tw throwing Molotov cocktails.
They only way to do the things I mentioned is on a federal level. There are many others that can only be done efficiently on a federal level.
Yeah yeah I know, efficient doesn't come to mind when thinking about federal projects but neither does the state or local projects. There's politics, kick backs, and greed involved... always. It adds to the cost but the results are still worth it for the most part. And those vices could be at least reduced if the voters actively held the politicians accountable.
OK, maybe it's a pipe dream that fat and happy citizens would actually get involved, but there's no question it can/would work if people would stop letting other people run the show.
Bruce,
As I say: I'm an advocate for the 'night watchman' model.
OK, just wanted it clarified for my little pumpkin head.;)
I'm not sure it makes any sense or if my thinking makes any sense.
It did, and thanks!
Henry, this is what I see...
Dear ghod. I actually agree with Anne Coulter.
Hell has finally frozen over.
That's the new White House salute. It's modelled after Millions stand behind me; but, means Millions stand in my way.
Henry, this is what I see...
Libertarians are the ones on shore watchin' the idiots dismantle their boat.
Them idiots on the water are (currently) livin' & workin' within the confines of the Democrat Party.
Libertarians are the ones on shore watchin' the idiots dismantle their boat.
He can even read the name on the boat. And still denies it.
put there by comme extremists (like you)
typical, comical, pedestrian propagandist tactic
Libertarians are the ones on shore watchin' the idiots dismantle their boat.
Them idiots on the water are (currently) livin' & workin' within the confines of the Democrat Party.
That does not compute, the Right has been bitching all along the Democrats are alway trying to build a bigger boat. :haha:
meh
I know you can do better at insulting people. Try again.
henry quirk ran out of new ways to insult people. His newest insult (because worships Trump tactics) is "I don't care".
It even explains why he approved of Trump supporters attacking the BBC cameraman.
When did I do that?
When did you stop?
Snow day here, and we just did our taxes.
Bottom line, between my slight increase in income from working longer hours, and slight increase in taxes, it appears as though my Federal tax burden remains virtually unchanged under Trump's "tax cut" from a year ago.
HOWEVER, the major change was to deductions. He eleminated many of the deductions that we can take, and raised the standard deduction at the same time. So we took the standard deduction. If we hadn't, our taxes would have gone UP by a few grand. The unfortunate side effect is that under Virginia law, if you take the standard deduction on your federal filling, you are required to take it on your Virginia filling as well. And the Virginia standard deduction is several thousand less than our itemized state deduction would be if we could use it. All this is to say that our state taxes went up by several hundred dollars.
If we go back and try to itemize or federal deductions to get the itemized state deductions, then the federal taxes go through the roof and it's not worth it.
So the Trump tax plan increased my state taxes.
What is Virginia going to do with this bonanza?
I dunno. Give our leaders blackface sensitivity training?
Gonna go back in the Wayback machine to when it happened?
I'm sure they're aware of it now.
Tough break.
You're probably almost as miffed I as I was when the ACA cost me my insurance.
Washington, D.C. (Feb. 19, 2019)—Today, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, the Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Reform, issued an interim staff report after multiple whistleblowers came forward to warn about efforts inside the White House to rush the transfer of highly sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in potential violation of the Atomic Energy Act and without review by Congress as required by law—efforts that may be ongoing to this day...
The report indicates that there is now serious, bipartisan concern with the Trump Administration’s efforts to transfer sensitive U.S. nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. For example, on October 31, 2018, Republican Senators Marco Rubio, Todd Young, Cory Gardner, Rand Paul, and Dean Heller sent a letter to President Trump urging him to “suspend talks related to a potential civil nuclear cooperation agreement between the United States and Saudi Arabia” due to “serious concerns about the transparency, accountability, and judgment of current decision makers in Saudi Arabia.”
:eyebrow:
Trump's creating a climate change denial committee, the
Presidential Committee on Climate Security, to be led by non-climatologist William Happer:
The demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler. Carbon dioxide is actually a benefit to the world, and so were the Jews.
That is definitely absurd.
:facepalm:
It's almost like he reads the Cellar and was like "oh yeah, I need to get back on that."
Trump meets with Fatty III.
Trumps lifts sanctions and profits from future business.
Fatty III says he'll stop testing nukes, but he can't get rid of them because he has to counter South Korea's much more technically advance military
and use them to switch the blame of the bad economy from poor fiscal management to the cost of the nukes.
Then Fatty III raises money to help the economy by selling nukes to Iran.
Trump sucks up to the Khashoggi killers by giving them nukes to counter Iran.
Invest in fallout shelter stocks.
Wait, if we elected a mobster to run our country are we all made men? Suck it Sicilians, you ain't all that!
Trump meets with Fatty III.
Trumps lifts sanctions and profits from future business. ...
Something is seriously wrong with that scenario. The Kardashians do not have a piece of the action.
Something is seriously wrong with that scenario. The Kardashians do not have a piece of the action.
That's actually quite funny, tw. Keep them coming. :lol:
They do not have a piece of the action YET. ;)
Mr. Nadler wants to turn the President’s exercise of his normal constitutional powers into impeachable offenses.Some good lines here. It's long, sorry. Maybe read the high points?
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Dave Rubin – So what is Trump then? You’ve interviewed
the guy a bunch of times..What actually in the scheme of what
your book is about, sort of where America’s at at the moment
is he just the great “wrecker” that we sort of needed so that
this “ship of fools” wasn’t going to sink and take everybody
down with it.
Tucker Carlson – Well, he’s certainly a wrecker but look, here’s
what he’s not. Trump is not the guy that comes to Washington
and transforms the system. He’s not capable of that, he’s not
interested in that. Washington is a very specific town,ok, so the
legislative process is highly complex. He doesn’t understand and
doesn’t seek to. He’s not going to be the guy that runs on these 9
policies and then affects them once elected. Get’s them through the
congress, gets them through the agencies. HE CAN’T. That’s not his
role. It’s very frustrating actually if you’re from DC like me to watch
“Hey, wait a second get the energy department under control!”
It’s not going to happen. There’s 3 million executive branch employees
versus Trump, ok.
Trump’s role-
Dave Rubin – Is that right? That’s not right. There’s 3 billion?
Tucker Carlson – Million executive – I think there are 3 million
branch employees, that might include the military by the way.
I’m just saying that the permanent class in DC and I live right in the
center of them, they hate Trump. He’s a threat to them. But why
do they hate him? They hate him not because he’s a right winger.
They hate him because he’s the guy that says the obvious things.
So like, we went to Helsinki last summer and interviewed him during
the Putin thing. This was crystallized in an conversation I had with
him off camera.
I asked him something about NATO and he goes “Why do we have NATO?"
And someone who is a cold war kid I go “I like NATO”, thinking to myself.
“The Soviet Union fell in 1991. Wasn’t the point of NATO to keep them
from Invading Western Europe? But they don’t exist any more, why
do we still have them?”
And I tried searching for a good answer and I couldn’t find one.
So Trump repeats this in public and everyone’s like “Well..shut up!
What, are you, working for Putin?”
And then I thought, this is what Trump does, he comes in in his kinda
autistic way and asks the obvious question at the core of whatever
the issue is, that is the one question that everyone’s been avoiding
because they don’t have the answer to it.
So, why are we signing a trade agreement and letting all the other
signatories ignore the terms? Why don’t we have a border? I don’t
know, these are like not complex questions, very obvious questions
but because they are unanswered and unanswerable in some cases,
they expose the mediocrity of our ruling class. That they actually
don’t know what they are doing, is the truth.
Slang,
As I say elsewhere: I hired Trump to wreck shit (not save, reform, or refurbish). Trump is sugar in the gas tank, a spike in the tree, a big tarnished wrench thrown into the works.
He's the large oozing zit on the vain bitch's nose, the one that presents itself on the day of the prom; he's the piles keepin' the fat bastid from sitting comfortably during his steak dinner; he's the mongerol what shits repeatedly on the manicured lawn; he's the glitch flummoxing your laptop right when Christy Canyon is about to cum; he's the chimp flingin' soft shit through the bars at gawkers; he's the cancer that takes a steroid abuser's testes; he's the crow swoopin' in to steal the chips offa the picnic table, the one who shits on heads as he sails away.
He's a broken bottle jabbed into the face; laxative in the brownies; the rake that slaps a body upside the head when stepped on wrong.
He's corrupt, backstabbing', whoremongerin'...he lies, cheats, steals.
Yep, he's garbage...MY garbage...he's MY middle finger to a whole whack of folks...he's largely doin' what I hired him to do...and he's gonna have a second term (four more years to piss on 'their' heads).
Yes, he's a lot of things. That's a pretty good list there.
I believe what I would like him to do next is to declassify incriminating documents that clearly show the soft coup that Obama allegedly orchestrated in the final days of his presidency. And how ass hats like Comey and McCabe tried desperately to assist in that.
Or maybe I'm just mad as a hatter. It's possible.
I asked him something about NATO and he goes “Why do we have NATO?"
And someone who is a cold war kid I go “I like NATO”, thinking to myself.
“The Soviet Union fell in 1991. Wasn’t the point of NATO to keep them
from Invading Western Europe? But they don’t exist any more, why
do we still have them?”
They do exist and they have invaded neighboring states. Recently.
"That's a pretty good list there."
Just coverin' all the bases.
#
"declassify incriminating documents"
I'm thinkin' he's holdin' back on all the good stuff till mebbe true shit comes down the pike (i.e. 'I'm takin' all you motherfuckers down with me!').
##
"They do exist and they have invaded neighboring states. Recently."
And NATO did what exactly in response?
They weren't NATO members.
(which is why the states could be invaded)
They weren't NATO members.
Neither were Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Libya, Greece, etc members of a defense alliance when Hitler decided to invade them. So clearly neither Britain, France, nor Russia had anything to fear.
Same people who wanted to 'wreck shit' also recommended letting Hitler have all of Europe. Using defeatist concepts that The Don also uses to promote himself. He even believes everything Putin has told him while saying American generals and intelligence agencies are not as smart as he is.
We are already seeing a recession beginning.
And if they had been, what woulda happened?
I reckon nuthin', nuthin' and more nuthin'.
##
"We are already seeing a recession beginning."
No, we're not.
I do.
NATO is *worthless: it does nuthin' 'cept make 'us' responsible for (and to) all of 'them'.
To hell with that.
*just like the U.N.
Reckon hell, it almost killed 'em.
Outcome won't change things: precisely;
And it's funny: no candidate would ever suggest touching Social Security and Medicare... in the time I've watched, they remain pretty untouched... but every election season I've paid attention to, the sides work out how to suggest the other side will fuck them up. It's all about the sides!
Y'know, when it comes to examples of why Trump should not be President, we're all spoiled for choice. Literally spoiled, he's made his behavior so loud and so incessant that it's just impossible to sustain the outrage it deserves, much less keep up with all the shit this guy says and does. The fashionable term is "normalized". I'm not normalized to his ... everything, but I am fucking tired of it.
Here's a textbook example. You say,
no candidate would ever suggest touching Social Security and Medicare...
and you're well advised to say such a thing, what self-destructive idiot would ever suggest such a thing?!?!
what? We have a caller on Line One? Ok, patch him through.
Trump’s remarks came in the context of a discussion about the national debt, which has ballooned to historic levels under his presidency despite his 2016 campaign promise to eliminate it entirely. After Trump claimed that cutting the debt would be a focus of his second term, host Martha MacCallum pointed out that “if you don’t cut something in entitlements, you’ll never really deal with the debt.”
But before “you’ll never really deal with the debt” even escaped MacCallum’s lips, Trump interjected to agree with the first part of her statement — that cuts to programs like Social Security and Medicare will be necessary to get the debt under control.
“Oh, we’ll be cutting,” he said. “We’re also going to have growth like you’ve never seen before.”
Yeah, that guy.
A couple of hot takes on why this is bad and should be avoided.
1 -- It's a dumb thing to say because nobody wants their entitlements cut.
2 -- It's dumb because he opens his mouth before his brain's in gear.
3 -- I'm sick of having The White House, and god knows how many apologists tell me what Trump meant. The man really should be able to speak for himself.
4 -- Scandalously, the walk-backs, the re-interpretations, the corrections and clarifications are often 180 degrees from what Trump actually said. Listening to him trying to do it for himself awhile ago when he was *explaining* what he said about his understanding of Putin's position about election interference. First he said "why would it be?" then a minute later, and by a minute, I mean one brutal news cycle, he said "why wouldn't it be?", just exactly the opposite.
“The sentence should have been, ‘I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be Russia,’” Mr. Trump said. “Sort of a double negative.” “So,” he concluded, “you can put that in. And I think that probably clarifies things pretty good by itself.”
Riiiiiight. He probably thinks I'm as stupid as he is, or worse, that he's as smart as I am. He's wrong either way.
So, back to your point UT, what do you think about this politician pledging to cut entitlements?
It's fine. Trump doesn't parse the word "entitlements" like vox.com does; and in the context of the conversation, he doesn't parse it at all, before he's on to his answer.
Everybody who was watching understood that, too.
See, the game where Trump's words are carefully parsed for the least charitable take is a LOSING game. Here's the secret, if you want to know how Trump's supporters listen to the interview:
Stop parsing words and just listen for the emotional appeal.
I know how much you enjoy parsing, and how much the media enjoys it. You get to read vox.com articles and get your dopamine fix. The media gets their "Trump bump" of clicks and ratings. It seems like winning. But the words are not the important part. Pay attention to the emotions. The emotions of vox.com are negative, loser emotions. The emotions of Donald Trump are winner emotions.
Furthermore, you should parse a conversation like a conversation, and a joke like a joke, if you want to understand. That's the part of Trump that is immediately appealing; that's how he expects to be parsed. Old-school politicians speak slowly, carefully, measured, studied, stiff and teleprompted, facts at the ready, so that nothing they can say can be parsed incorrectly. The problem is, nobody in our everyday world talks like that. If they did, we wouldn't trust them!
Words have meaning, don't you think the leaders he talks to around the world parse what he says when he's representing the US?
He's running the country like he ran his businesses... run up a huge debt, pocket as much as possible, then walk away.
Well that's the biggest problem with the Trump Presidency - foreign policy works along a different game theory than the game theory he uses. The techniques that worked being a Manhattan real estate bro, also worked on television audiences, and on the electorate. What's needed on the world stage is significantly different, I think.
Putin needs a cold war, an enemy he can blame for any unpopular moves and shortages at home.
Also to convince as many leaders between him and the Mediterranean as possible that he is from their hood, and will always be close by to be their savior not us. He can coerce them into thinking my friend's enemy is my enemy, when Trump blusters.
Putin needs a cold war, an enemy he can blame for any unpopular moves and shortages at home.
Also to convince as many leaders between him and the Mediterranean as possible that he is from their hood, and will always be close by to be their savior not us. He can coerce them into thinking my friend's enemy is my enemy, when Trump blusters.
It's fine. Trump doesn't parse the word "entitlements" like vox.com does; and in the context of the conversation, he doesn't parse it at all, before he's on to his answer.
Everybody who was watching understood that, too.
See, the game where Trump's words are carefully parsed for the least charitable take is a LOSING game. Here's the secret, if you want to know how Trump's supporters listen to the interview:
Stop parsing words and just listen for the emotional appeal.
I know how much you enjoy parsing, and how much the media enjoys it. You get to read vox.com articles and get your dopamine fix. The media gets their "Trump bump" of clicks and ratings. It seems like winning. But the words are not the important part. Pay attention to the emotions. The emotions of vox.com are negative, loser emotions. The emotions of Donald Trump are winner emotions.
Furthermore, you should parse a conversation like a conversation, and a joke like a joke, if you want to understand. That's the part of Trump that is immediately appealing; that's how he expects to be parsed. Old-school politicians speak slowly, carefully, measured, studied, stiff and teleprompted, facts at the ready, so that nothing they can say can be parsed incorrectly. The problem is, nobody in our everyday world talks like that. If they did, we wouldn't trust them!
Hey UT, I just want to say this at the outset.
Parsing is reading for comprehension, for understanding. It's not a bad thing, despite Trump's epic badness at doing it. Words do matter, and he murders them on the daily.
Now, having parried your attack on the value of "parsing", let's talk about his most recent failures to communicate.
How about President Trump's recent, teleprompted address from the Oval Office. (The urge to start this next sentence with "how do you explain..." is strong but horribly unfair. You obviously have opinions, which I respect, but I know you can't explain him. I won't ask you to.) I'll just point out that (*again*) he said things that were just plain wrong. His wrong statements caused immediate trouble, not like "Covfeve". It is ABSURD of him to say the things he says.
I have opinions too about why he talks like this. He's out of his depth in this role. There are aspects about it that he likes, the power, there's a lot of power, the trappings and the attention, craptons of that too. But there is also responsibility to do the work--ALL THE WORK. And he just can't do it. And his other character flaws, like valuing loyalty over everything else, including competence, prevent--no, cripple--him in his attempts to delegate important responsibilities he won't/can't/is oblivious to execute himself.
And the words, jfc, the words just won't stop. He's absurd, he's a clown.
Did you see his performance at the CDC earlier this week? What was the "emotional appeal" of “As of right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test [can have one], that’s the important thing, and the tests are all perfect, like the letter was perfect, the transcription was perfect.” The emotional impact I feel is one being in the presence of someone who's relentless self-promotion shines a spotlight on his insecurity. I feel like we should be talking about medical facts and wtf does his letter his call, have to do with fuckall?
He also talked about how his uncle was a super genius and that that's probably why all the doctors at the CDC asked him in surprise about how he knows so much about this?!?!? Here's a quote, so I'm not just putting words in his mouth. “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it. Every one of these doctors say, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should’ve done that instead of running for president.” Emotional impact: shock, fear, jesus take the wheel, this is the sound of someone who can't stop boasting.
His comments are absurd on their face. This is not the time for absurdity, he already rsvp'ed "no" to the White House Correspondents' Dinner. That's where he should be clowning and self deprecating. Right now, he's on the fucking job. But he's not working.
snip--
(What's worse is, post-modernism then suggests that everyone's truth is true, because everything is relative, and then we wind up in a hole that deeper than we dug.)
Trump is the victim (this time) of "post-modernism"?
--snip
I cannot fathom how you might have gotten this conclusion out of my post.
I am not familiar with "post-modernism", but it's clear that by your description, it's kind of bullshit. And Kellyanne Conway deserves credit in my mind for flinging it into our public discourse when she talked about "alternative facts". Her talk then was bullshit. The idea of "alternative facts" is bullshit. A fact is just one thing, if it's more than one thing, it's not a fact.
...
pausing for casuistry
....
Ok, we good?
UT, you're an apologist for President Trump, free country, takes all types, agree to disagree, etc etc. I hold no animus toward you. I consider you a friend. But when you float the idea that truth and facts and words are more malleable and less concrete than back in the pre-modernist day, you give the reader, and maybe yourself, some kind of cover, a fig leaf to cover President Trump's shame. The shame is there, even if you cover your ears and eyes with the fig leaf. Lord knows the aren't enough fig leaves in the world to cover his absurdity.
How about President Trump's recent, teleprompted address from the Oval Office.
Yeah, how about that? I absolutely knew you'd ask about that.
It was a written, teleprompted speech and is therefore entirely appropriate for parsing the shit out of.
What I was objecting to earlier was parsing the shit out of conversational, colloquial speech and even jokes.
Right.
Like the CDC presser. Your thoughts are welcome.
Not to mention the fact that he murdered the words in the Oval Office presentation.
I am not familiar with "post-modernism"
No shit
UT, you're an apologist for President Trump
You don't actually get me at all. It's fine.
like I said
free country, takes all types, agree to disagree, etc etc.
Should I not be trying to parse your words and look for the emotional appeal instead to gain understanding?
Help a brother out, eh?
edited to add:
anyone who tries to defend or justify or explain President Trump's straight-up bizarre remarks has been dealt a shit hand. He is not living up to my standards for performance in the office, he's not even living up to my standards for communicating in English. My standards. But his words affect more than just me. If it wasn't so serious, it'd be comedy.
You're looking for a fight and I'm so not interested in that.
It was a written, teleprompted speech and is therefore entirely appropriate for parsing the shit out of.
So why did he get so many things wrong? He said trade between Europe and American would halt. Then adults from his administration corrected that.
He said all passenger travel between Europe and America would halt. Then adults from his administration said that would not apply to American citizens.
He could not even be honest when reading from a teleprompter?
He ignored a million+ missing test kits. And then later said (a direct quote when pressed by an NBC reporter) that he would not take responsibility for that. What adult does not see a glaring irresponsible mental state?
Eventually one must admit that this president lies daily. Since that is what he did routinely even 30 years ago - as so often reported in NYC local news. We are not talking about a president who works for America, American allies, or the advancement of mankind. His entire life has only been about advancing The Don at the expense of all others. That was obvious even decades ago.
He can murder someone on Fifth Ave and still get elected. He knows how easily some can be brainwashed. That was him even saying so.
He cannot take responsibility. And said so. Meanwhile Truman said "the buck stops here". Where is
here? Extremists do not
hear - or understand.
Responsibility must lie on those evil Mexican, immigrants, or slanted eye people who are American allies. We should blame them. Since hate can get a president reelected.
No fight. Only facts. Same facts said Fukushima nuclear reactors had melted down. Which was also denied by ignoring facts. Show me one fact that says Trump is presidential material. Clearly not a fight. Facts that an adult would discuss using logic from a pre-frontal cortex.
UT, others requested facts to support your beliefs. Post them and not just empty denials. Two glaring lies cited in a first two paragraphs. Please explain why that is a responsible leader. Would Lincoln have lied like that?
I hear of legislation in Congress to print a $101 counterfeit dollar bill with Trump's picture on it. To cut costs, he intends to have them printed by his good friend Kim of N Korea. It that true or another rumor promoted by his swampland supporters?
The President suggested that there's a chance that injecting disinfectant will do a number on the virus, especially in the lungs, knocks it out in like a minute.
The whole world that saw and heard his remarks was horrified. Even people dumb enough to ingest disinfectant called the health department to fact check what they'd heard.
Then he said he was being sarcastic. Uh huh, riiiiiight. For the record, that was sarcasm.
Then in a fit of pique at being unable to flush this turd down the memory hole, he said he was gonna stop doing these <\[strike]goverment funded campaign performances[/strike] coronavirus response press briefings because the press was asking too many hostile questions. GO GO GO FREE PRESS! #EPICFLOUNCE
But, it was too good to be true. His love of free press, I mean free media coverage compelled him back to the podium and the absurdity continues.
******
How about a quick informal poll? Anyone here think he was being sarcastic at the time he made his remarks about injecting disinfectant? Please post below.
JFC, his absurdity is contagious. The Vice President is infected too.
Pence recently traveled to The Mayo Clinic, but did not wear a mask during his visit, despite being informed well in advance of his visit that everyone in the hospital is to wear a mask to reduce the spread of the coronavirus. Pence said that he did not wear a mask because
"I thought it'd be a good opportunity for me to be here, to be able to speak to these researchers, these incredible health care personnel, and look them in the eye and say thank you."
It is absurd to suggest that wearing a mask inhibits one's ability to do what he said he wanted to do. What a liar.
Even Trump was more honest (what with no filter and all) by saying he just doesn't see it for himself.
The larger issue is the appearance of the reality that both of these men are not leading by example and at a minimum, missing an opportunity do so. Another failure of leadership.
You have the option of running for office yourself to set the example; your amiable phiz would make a gift for the nation's cartoonists, no?
… How about a quick informal poll? Anyone here think he was being sarcastic at the time he made his remarks about injecting disinfectant? Please post below.
Trump is as inarticulate as all get out. It's a pain to listen to him speak and try to figure out what it is he's actually trying to communicate.
I think he was serious about the concept he was trying to present: Introducing something with known topical antiviral properties into the body.
I think it was naive of him to use the words
inject and
disinfectant, even if sarcastically, and not realize the general public would associate that with using something like Clorox or Lysol for needle injection.
Can we use a topical disinfectant for injection into the body? Yes, we do that. We can use vinegar (acetic acid), a disinfectant, topically in ear canals to treat infection. We also inject it into the bladder through a catheter to treat infection there. The basic premise is viable.
Trump, not having an aptitude for medicine, doesn't understand how this premise is limited in scope of application (he referenced the lungs) and the microorganisms it's used against (primarily bacteria).
You have the option of running for office yourself to set the example; your amiable phiz would make a gift for the nation's cartoonists, no?
So unless someone is prepared to run for the highest office, they shouldn't complain or criticise the current holders of said office?
Trump is as inarticulate as all get out. It's a pain to listen to him speak and try to figure out what it is he's actually trying to communicate.
I think he was serious about the concept he was trying to present: Introducing something with known topical antiviral properties into the body.
I think it was naive of him to use the words inject and disinfectant, even if sarcastically, and not realize the general public would associate that with using something like Clorox or Lysol for needle injection.
Can we use a topical disinfectant for injection into the body? Yes, we do that. We can use vinegar (acetic acid), a disinfectant, topically in ear canals to treat infection. We also inject it into the bladder through a catheter to treat infection there. The basic premise is viable.
Trump, not having an aptitude for medicine, doesn't understand how this premise is limited in scope of application (he referenced the lungs) and the microorganisms it's used against (primarily bacteria).
All perfectly understandable - if he was some Joe in a pub espousing this shit to his mates: he is the President of the USA - his words carry weight in the world and have an impact. This is life and death stuff. He should stfu with his half understood musings and let the Doctors lead.
he never stops talking about fake news, but he is one of the prime vectors for misinformation in the world today
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I struggled to understand the appeal of Bush to voters, back in the day, but I could, if I tilted my head a little and squinted a bit, kind of see what they were seeing.
I look at Trump, and I really, really struggle to see what it is that his followers like. It is beyond baffling. Every other sentence he utters is a bare faced lie, often contradicting the previous barefaced lie he just delivered with a straight face. Not like a lie another politician might speak, which has some kind of credibility and needs to be uncovered - just a straight to the camera, bald as you like, absolute lie that sits glowing in the sun for all to see.
He shows zero leadership - he can't muster the slightest hint of the statesman, General, or public servant even when handed the perfect opportunity to do so. He accepts zero responsibility for anything, openly casts blame on his underlings and throws his friends under the bus without a second's hesitation.
Faced with a death toll in the tens of thousands, he projects partisan triumphalism and crows about how well he is doing while showing zero empathy for those lost or bereaved.
All the while stirring up civil discontent and protest over lockdown restrictions.
How is he both the head of the government and the rallying call against government all at the same time?
I can only assume at this stage that for most of his still loyal supporters this is the sunk cost fallacy in action.
I look at Trump, and I really, really struggle to see what it is that his followers like. It is beyond baffling. Every other sentence he utters is a bare faced lie, often contradicting the previous barefaced lie he just delivered with a straight face. Not like a lie another politician might speak, which has some kind of credibility and needs to be uncovered - just a straight to the camera, bald as you like, absolute lie that sits glowing in the sun for all to see.
There is a subset boiling with resentment who want the libs to pay. There is a subset who want a "strongman". There are rich folks who want to continue the GOP experiment with tax free living in a highly stratified society. There are the religious (abortion) and religious nuts (end-times). There are Red Team players who see center-right Biden and think of Communism.
What happened is by soaking in our own propaganda we lost the Cold War we won. We've been at war so long we have no vision for civilization. We've trained ourselves to believe government is bad at everything and we've elected our own proof. We need to repeat a year to catch up with the class.:dunce: Unfortunately, this is that year and repeating it is gonna suck.
My father's a lukewarm supporter-in-denial. He's the type who 1.) can't admit he's been conned, and 2.) hates Hillary with the fiery passion of a thousand red-hot suns. Ever since the Clinton presidency, just absolutely hates her. He's particularly obsessed with the title of her first book, "It Takes a Village," which he sees as a promise of Venezuelan socialism that is as firm or firmer than Hitler's promises in "Mein Kampf," which he often compares it to.
He largely avoids talking about politics these days, which is how I know he knows in his heart that Trump is an indefensible disaster--never in my life have I not heard my father talk politics. The two themes he sticks with, when he does talk, are "I don't care about what he says, I only care about what he does," and "Hillary would have been worse."
I honestly don't think anybody would be worse, regardless of political persuasion.
It really is so strange to see people who clearly love their nation and have pride in the traditional values and virtues of that nation, choose someone so lacking in those values and virtues. I'd understand it more if he was a self made man - that at least would speak to the ethic of hard work and independence that always seemed such a strong component of the American culture - but he's an appalling business man who has left ruined participants to his crazy schemes in his wake.
He doesn't work hard, or even seemingly smart. He is petulant and more concerned about his image than anything else going on around him - and lacks any self awareness about his own limitations. He has no regard for loyalty either to his wife or his friends while demanding absolute loyalty from those around him. He doesnt have the capacity to accept that anybody else has more expertise than he does on anything.
He manifestly has no concept of how ordinary people live - and even less sympathy for them, yet has somehow been accepted as a man of the people.
Most politicians have at least a streak of narcissism, and some much more than a streak - this man takes it to an astonishing level.
People like that he says what he wants or what he means - except he rolls back on it in a heartbeat and tries to gaslight the nation into thinking he never said it - because he clearly possesses not a single actual conviction beyond self admiration
It sounds like this wouldn't have been discussed, but do you think your father will vote for a Trump re-election or will he stay home because he secretly knows Trump is horrible?
My SOB is better than the other team's SOB, so I'll vote for my SOB.
I don't think anything could cause him to vote for a Dem; like you said, it's vote for the Republican or don't show up. But if by some asinine stupidity Biden made Hilary his VP, he'd definitely show up to vote against that.
he never stops talking about fake news, but he is one of the prime vectors for misinformation in the world today
This. Right here.
There is a subset boiling with resentment who want the libs to pay.
What's cool is, now I feel the same way about them.
What's cool is, now I feel the same way about them.
Yeah, not a great dynamic.
Yeah, not a great dynamic.
It is what it is.
When I say "them", of course, I am referring to the subset you were referring to.
There are lots of conservatives I
don't wish ill upon. But the ones you describe, well...
He largely avoids talking about politics these days, which is how I know he knows in his heart that Trump is an indefensible disaster--never in my life have I not heard my father talk politics. The two themes he sticks with, when he does talk, are "I don't care about what he says, I only care about what he does," and "Hillary would have been worse."
how beautiful that your father has decided to abstain from something he was enthusiastic about, in order to have a better relationship with his daughter
I think he was serious about the concept he was trying to present: Introducing something with known topical antiviral properties into the body.
I think it was naive of him to use the words inject and disinfectant, even if sarcastically, and not realize the general public would associate that with using something like Clorox or Lysol for needle injection.
...
Trump, not having an aptitude for medicine, doesn't understand how this premise is limited in scope of application (he referenced the lungs) and the microorganisms it's used against (primarily bacteria).
So he was suggesting that medical researchers consider the idea of putting something inside the body to treat disease?
If you ignore enough words, then he was suggesting that researches should consider the concept of medication. That might be adorable from a toddler, but chronologically he isn't one.
As you ignore fewer of the words he said, it gets stupider and more dangerous from there.
If you ignore enough of my words, then you are suggesting an altered meaning to what I said.
Altered how? You said that the idea of internal medical treatment was valid, but the specific things to inject, mechanisms of injection, things that can be treated that way, and location of application were wrong.
To get to the point where what he said wasn't dangerous, you have to ignore enough to make what he said meaninglessly trivial.
All I know is that one dumbass was removed from his local decision loop by the chloroquinine thing.
Anyone still stupid enough to take Trump seriously won't be a big loss when they inject Lysol or Draino or whatnot.
how beautiful that your father has decided to abstain from something he was enthusiastic about, in order to have a better relationship with his daughter
Ha! More like "in order to not lose a debate to his daughter, who has gotten much better at arguing than when she was a child."
Altered how? You said that the idea of internal medical treatment was valid...
I addressed what I quoted, the question of whether or not Trump was being sarcastic at the time of his statement. I pointed out that the concept of something being used for external (topical) treatment also being used for internal treatment has precedence and that Trump seemed to have been serious about that much. I never said Trump's public speculation about it in regard to coronavirus wasn't inappropriate; or, even dangerous. That's something you read into it, perhaps after Dani's subsequent post introduced that matter. I haven't replied to it.
… Anyone still stupid enough to take Trump seriously won't be a big loss when they inject Lysol or Draino or whatnot.
Some people are just too stupid to live, regardless.
All I know is that one dumbass was removed from his local decision loop by the chloroquinine thing.
that guy was carole baskin'd Ha! More like "in order to not lose a debate to his daughter, who has gotten much better at arguing than when she was a child."
were there no times that he won, after you improved in skill?
Silly bunny, one does not win against clodfobble. The best you can hope for is she's called away by something more pressing. ;)
Every now and again, as heated as they sometimes got, I miss political arguments/discussions with my dad.
I do wonder what he would have made of all this. And then I think, with his COPD the current situation would have been terrifying. And trying to self isolate in a hoarders house - unable to spend most of his day out and about as he preferred to do. Maybe its a boon he didn't have to see what is happening right now.
I can't image what he would have thought of Trump - I think he'd have found him too boorish and dishonest.
I suspect he'd have liked Boris though.
I addressed what I quoted, the question of whether or not Trump was being sarcastic at the time of his statement. I pointed out that the concept of something being used for external (topical) treatment also being used for internal treatment has precedence and that Trump seemed to have been serious about that much. I never said Trump's public speculation about it in regard to coronavirus wasn't inappropriate; or, even dangerous. That's something you read into it, perhaps after Dani's subsequent post introduced that matter. I haven't replied to it.
Fair enough; if all you were doing was saying that he wasn't being sarcastic, then we're in agreement. Please treat the 'you' in my initial response as a generic 'you'.
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Maybe that's what these toy soldiers were trying to say?
were there no times that he won, after you improved in skill?
Realistically he "wins" by dragging me into a political argument in the first place. My real improved skill is just politely nodding and ignoring absurdities.
From that NY Post article:
Sales of chloroquine phosphate skyrocketed last month after some studies found that a pharmaceutical version of the chemical could be a possible treatment for COVID-19.
Prayers to god also are a possible treatment. Trump did not recommend that. So he must be Satan. To deny us a cure.
There was a lot of fuss in the media about Boris Johnson being Britain's Trump... Aside from the hair and some occasional gormlessness, I struggle to see the similarity.
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Apparently you educate the rich over there?
Aside from the hair and some occasional gormlessness, I struggle to see the similarity.
Do he intentionally ignore facts and science to make contrary decisions? Then he is simply another Trump. But then he so ignored reality as to even get Covid-19 sick. And then finally admitted a problem exists.
Of course he does not show as much contempt and hate for his fellow countrymen. Not like Trump does.
As much as it pains me to defend Boris on any score: yes, he was slow to take the country into lockdown and the level of testing was insufficient; but he was absolutely already taking this seriously prior to getting Covid-19.
There was not the same level of denial as there was with Trump, and the science at the time was conflicted on the pros and cons of full lockdown versus advice for certain parts of the population, or anybody with symptons to self-isolate.
They were slow off the mark, and there have been some almighty fuck ups around sourcing adequate PPE - but the degree of action the govenment has undertaken is pretty staggering, and the level of support being offered to businesses and individuals affected by the lockdown to try to make sure the economy stands a chance of recovery and people aren't forced out of lockdown by economic need is beyond anything I would ever have imagined possible - it's still not enough, and there are gaps in that support, but it's a hell of a start.
I know at least 6 people who live near me who are on the furlough scheme, with the government covering the cost of 80% of their wages so the companies they work for don't have to let them go.
There are things they have done, or not done, that I think have cost us, but I think things could have been much, much worse - and for the most part they have done enough to retain the good will of much of the country - even from people like me who are their natural opposition.
The worst of their offences really predate this crisis - they were slow to recognise the danger before it started to build in the UK - but once they did they really went for it. Unfortunately, the biggest fuck up was in not sorting out the testing and the PPE before the pandemic actually struck us, by which tine sourcing such things became a serious problem. They also systematically defunded the health service in real terms and further fragmented it with public-private partnerships for a decade - so it was not in its most robust state when this thing kicked off.
i only hope that in the years following this crisis, when the question of austerity to lower the debt levels raises its head people remember the front line public workers whose wages they are electing to freeze, and the 'minimum wage heroes' keeping the supermarket shelves stocked who still need to claim some benefits because their wage isnt enough to live on.
For now - as frustrating as the PPE and testing fuckups are - I am broadly on board with how the government is handling this.
They were slow off the mark, and there have been some almighty fuck ups around sourcing adequate PPE
Threat was well understood in January. But at highest levels of government - Johnson - the denial was rabid. He ignored five Cobra meetings - five weeks of preparation in January and February. He even kept shaking hands. Insisting this was only another flu.
Unknown is if he even used the word hoax like Trump did.
British passengers on the Diamond Princess, by this time, made it obvious how serious this threat. And still he did nothing until mid March. And only paid any serious attention about the time he got sick.
He also denies science on global warming. And even lied about Brexit. The only reason he is PM, Corbyn is like Bernie Sanders - just as bad - is not talented at the art of lying.
When you say they were slow off the mark, it was not science and adults. They were accurately throwing out warnings with numbers in January. But like Trump, his emotions (not logical thought) resulted in obstructions.
Once he was sick and was no longer in the decision seat, then things were fully permitted to solve this pandemic problem.
Meanwhile in nations run by leaders who make decisions from facts (ie Germany), preparations were in place in time. Merkel listened to facts - and not to emotions and political rhetoric.
Notice when the threat was understood - January. Notice when I bought my face masks. January. Problem was so many people before me already saw it coming. Masks were hard to find in the beginning of January. Due to so many who accurately saw the threat.
Johnson's response was "let it go through the population."
We now know another example of what a lying president will do to enrich himself at the expense of all Americans. And why anti-American extremists love him because he will 'wreck shit'.
From the Economist of 16 May 2020:
Last September a leak suggested that Donald Trump's administration was mulling steps to rid American exchanges of Chinese firms and force investors to dump stocks listed in mainland China. The share of prices of Alibaba, an e-commerce giant, and Baidu, a search engine, slid. So did the yuan. Within a day , however, then government denied having such plans, calling then "fake news". Insiders say "old-school" Republicans on Capitol Hill, who favour free markets, prevailed over the president's jingoistic entourage. Markets signed in relief.
This week, though, the rhetoric was amplified. On May 11th administration officials urged the independent board overseeing the Thrift Saving Plan, the government's main pension fund, worth $600bn, to freeze plans to invest in Chinese firms. Investors' money, they argued, would be at risk in the firms were to be later whacked with American sanctions punishing China for its all alleged culpability in allowing the coronavirus to spread.
What culpability? No facts justify those Trump lies. Even the Defense Department cannot find this evidence that Trump says he has. Sound like Saddam's WMDs?
This is how wars get invented. Then the extremists will gleefully murder another 5000 American servicemen on a lie?
Wars do not happen when nations work together with massive economic and financial ties. TPP was a spectacular plan to pull China into free markets by forcing them to address problems such as ownership requirements and technology sharing. And to form a powerful economic (and later military) alliance in that region that could even address the South China Sea problem (ie Sprately and Parcel Islands that UT, last I read, still denies.) All that is too complicate for a "30 second attention span". He wants to harm any potential friend or trading partner and even America's closest military allies to advance himself. Since, as he has done his entire life, he wants to stiff anyone only to enrich himself.
He even has a long history of not paying contractors. And would not feel guilty about murdering someone on Fifth Ave.
Wag the dog. It worked for Hitler. It works for Trump.
Only the least educated actually think he addressed a Covid-19 problem. When he even called his own science advisors as wrong. Because what they say does not promote Trump. As a result, American has some of the highest Covid-19 death rates (UK's are higher). They believe him only because he said he did something. Anti-Americans do not even demand reasons why with numbers; automatically believe Trump lies.
Meanwhile, people who work for America - Inspector Generals - are under attack by a leader who makes Nixon look honest. Because Inspector Generals identify government corruption, waste, fraud, and liars. Trump believes all that is good. He used such techniques his entire life. He even lies daily. He cannot have any Inspector General say he lied. Since they work for America - and not Trump.
Did the Economist really print that quoted bit there? It's got more typos and mistakes than I would expect from the Economist.
"calling then "fake news""
"Markets signed in relief."
… Within a day , however, then ...
An extra space followed by a comma instead of a semicolon?
… China for its all alleged culpability ...
Does "all alleged" mean that everyone alleged it; or, that it's completely an allegation rather than partially an allegation?
It's looking like the Economist is a whacko extremist organization out to subvert the American English language.
Looks like tw transcribed instead of cut & pasted.
Only English Nazis care about the irrelevant. And only extremist would worry about typs ,;- then about what is relevant.
Patriotic Americans are angry about so many Inspector Generals being fired. The emotional (who therefore voted for Trump because they also believe in what Timothy McVeight believed) want to waste the world by even worrying about spelling.
Twump lies.
And cheats. And steals. And stiffs contractors. And praises despots. And successfully let Kim build nuclear weapons and missiles. And attacks all other Presidents (which has never happened before). And spends money like a drunken sailor. And destroyed relations with all other and closest American allies. And hates immigrants - a most productive part of the American economy. And has never once run a successful company. And routinely cheats on his taxes. And praises Putin. And ethnically cleansed the Kurds. And is so blacklisted that only one bank in the world will take his business - Deutsche Bank. And created a recession even before Covid-19. And can only go on Fake Fox News because he lies are so flagrant. And praises Nazi, KKK, White Supremacist, and other hate groups. And has a 30 second attention span. And will not expedite virus testing that is do desperately needed and remains in shortage. And fires Inspector Generals because they investigate fraud, corruption, waste, and criminal activities. And has many if not most topic government positions vacant - occupied by interim people - so to avoid Congressional approval. And told American highest top secrets to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister only to impress them - in the Oval Office no less (putting at risk what may have been British spies). And destroys jobs. And was fully involved with Ukrainian corruption. And had children of immigrants separated from their parents even without any means of reuniting them. And refused to assign ambassadors to Mexico, Turkey, Columbia, Ireland, Egypt, Sweden, Ivory Coast, Thailand, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Chad, Australia, Pakistan, Tanzania, Jordan, and other nations (it requires him to work). And was only ten minutes for doing something that has never happened before - a surprise attack on another democracy - in the tradition of Pearl Harbor. And for no purpose other than his ego. And would have committed impeachable crimes had any subordinate done what he ordered them to do (repeatedly demonstrated in the Mueller report). And has used his position to enrich his family - did not even divest himself of properties or their management. And has a history of taking sex from non-compliant women. And who spends one out of every three days at his resorts. And cannot read beyond a few paragraphs. And tried to impose jingoistic hate of China to destroy world trade. And makes Nixon look like an honest man. And is well known for cheating on all his wives - who he trades in like a used car every ten years. And can kill someone on Fifth Ave and still be elected - in the tradition of Al Capone.
Just a few of his daily corrupt activities that come to mind.
Oh. And he also lies daily.
No wonder some people, with a Timothy McVeigh attitude, so love him. And voted for him.
Seriously, like what the almighty fuck?
How is it that the people who shout loudest about Freedom have elected, protected and legitimised a dictator in the making? And I don't use that word lightly - this is not me yelling 'fascist' at a police officer or government official.
I am genuinely worried about America right now.
Don't get me wrong - I don't think he will be allowed to cement his position enough to actually achieve a real dictatorship: I don't think Americans will let that happen. But I worry for the damage he may have done by the time he's through.
We have a rare opportunity to actually vote against fascism this year. Let's hope we do so.
Iowa Republicans took the first step. Steve King is done.
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Seriously, like what the almighty fuck?
How is it that the people who shout loudest about Freedom have elected, protected and legitimised a dictator in the making? ...
An effective way to protect freedom from those who won't make compromises is to plunge them into darkness. We call this maneuver... the "almighty fuck."
You owe me a kiss.
Get in line sister.
CONGA!We need a blow out election but Fox Entertainment...
Seriously, like what the almighty fuck?
How is it that the people who shout loudest about Freedom have elected, protected and legitimised a dictator in the making?
Because some people view "freedom" as "a guarantee of being half a rung higher up the ladder than black folks."
It's how the confederacy had people lining up to fight an impossible war, it's how the government gets the "freedom" crowd to DEMAND a tyrant.
Mattis:
Full statement:
"I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.
When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.
We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict—between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.
James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before the law.
Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.
Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.
Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad."
My bold.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-russia-afghanistan-us-troops-bounties-20200627-lpw7vzg2vved5fmfdi633jdqu4-story.html
Russia was paying bounties on US troops.
The intelligence finding was briefed to President Donald Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said. Trump took care of that by inviting Putin to the G-7 and promising to pull 10,000 US troops out of Germany...
...and maybe a blowjob later.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-russia-afghanistan-us-troops-bounties-20200627-lpw7vzg2vved5fmfdi633jdqu4-story.html
Russia was paying bounties on US troops.
The intelligence finding was briefed to President Donald Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.
Some denials from the WH now, but the louder though less unifying scandal is the report of his retweeting a video from "The Villages" where a parade of golf carts moves through a standing group of protesters. The drivers are all rabidly pro-Trump and the chants of "white power! white power!" can be heard clearly.
Trump has two objectives by promoting this:
1 -- he likes it, he likes actions that show he's liked and these drivers are mad for him.
2 -- we're not talking about Russian bounties on American soldiers now, are we?
Do you remember that comic where the people on the balcony are looking down on the angry mob and reflect that all they have to do is to get the pitchforks to start fighting with the torches...
That's Trump up on that balcony with his handlers.
Found it
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That's pretty much where we are.
All that's left to do is to see if Biden can keep from blowing it before election day.
I just read this at lunch today:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-29/taliban-bounties-would-be-a-new-low-even-for-putin
I wonder if this guy could have been a even worse admiral than a political columnist. Those damn Rooskies make him so mad he could just spit. Scary.
Surface to air missiles were OK, of course.
If Trump is The Lone Ranger, then
this guy is Tonto.
Every time Putin comes out of a private meeting with Trump, he always has a smirk. He can even put a bounty on Americans soldiers, deny it, and then Trump will believe Putin. As usual deny or blame American intelligence for incompetence.
We have not seen so much contempt for the American soldier since Cheney, et al kill 5000 in Iraq for no useful purpose. To only protect Cheney's et al's legacy.
https://apnews.com/8513ec966d26d1c850e7cab0b269997c
“In a crisis, when you lack an operational solution, all you are left with is humanity,” Dezenhall said. “This is just a situation where Trump cannot pivot because he views empathy as the equivalent of running down Pennsylvania Avenue in high heels and a tutu.”
c'mon man. show a little empathy. do you know how hard it is to run in heels?
Apparently *not* all attention is good attention.
Here's a fresh news item where Trump didn't make the cut.
Fox News "mistakenly" (riiiiiiiiight) edited the picture in this news article about Jeffery Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell to "mistakenly" exclude our (mistakenly elected) President Trump.
Fox News broadcast a segment on Sunday about Ghislane Maxwell, the 58-year-old British socialite who was arrested by the FBI in New Hampshire last week and charged with the sex trafficking of children in the 1990s. Maxwell was a close friend of deceased pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and Fox aired a photo of Maxwell that should look familiar to anyone who followed reports of Epstein’s abuse of teenage girls. But there was one thing missing from the image that Fox put on screen: President Donald Trump.
The original photo, which is available online from Getty Images, shows Donald Trump, his then-girlfriend Melania (now the First Lady), Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislane Maxwell. The photo was taken at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida on February 12, 2000. Twitter users were the first to spot the strange edit by Fox News.
I can't easily post the image here, but it's worth a click.
I post this here to give the man the credit he's due.
ETA:
Here's a tweet from a fellow who recognized @FLOTUS on the left hand side of the picture that aired
How many other honest new services are reporting latest Trump lies to kill more Americans. Reported today by Deutche Welle:
President Trump on Monday shared a tweet from game show host Chuck Woolery, who claimed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other sources of information are lying about the coronavirus pandemic to hurt the president in November's election.
"The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust," Woolery tweeted.
... Woolery, an outspoken conservative who used to host "Wheel of Fortune" and "Love Connection," among other shows. It is the latest instance of Trump undercutting the guidance of his administration's own public health agencies amid a pandemic that has infected millions globally and killed more than 135,000 people in the United States.
International broadcasters are routinely mocking what extremists have done to America. Hopefully patriotic Americans (moderates) will vote in significant numbers this time.
All hail, a reminder to get rid of those congress critters.
I couldn't have said it better. Why Trump dislikes The Washington Post is beyond me.
Our handsome, brave, good president looked so great in his mask
Opinion by Alexandra Petri Columnist
July 14, 2020 at 8:55 a.m. PDT
Did you see him in his mask? Wow.
How fortunate we are to be alive right now. Game over!
I formerly thought that it would be a devastating show of weakness if the president hid his beautiful lower-face quadrant from America for even a flicker of a moment, but I was wrong! The concealment of one possible source of blessing and wonder only made the rest of him shine more brightly! I am NOT writing this under duress and quaking with terror that if the president does not get fawningly over-the-top compliments from far and wide, he will not wear a mask again. He was so effortlessly compelling that I am sure he will wear one again! The mask looked so great and powerful that I quaked and became formless briefly but then recovered stronger than I had ever been, with more arms than I could even use. My blood is oil and my ribs are made of stainless steel; my lungs are now a tariff.
I sent a picture of him in his mask to my sons, who are tall, healthy and strong, and they wrote back and said, “JOE BIDEN IS FINISHED!” and we all roared together from our throats. Just looking at this picture of the president in his mask made me so strong that I had to go buy a different, fiercer brand of deodorant. After such an image, I must tie my fist with a strong leathern strap or it would just be punching all the time. My family describes me as “greatly changed, but only for the better,” which is also how they describe America. We all became jets and flew over the president to thank him, because words failed us and only a jet flyover could possibly say all that was in our hearts.
What a powerful image! I bet if America’s enemies see how good the president looked in that mask, they will telephone right away to say that we can have Greenland for free, and offer to throw in Iceland too, as a lagniappe. I bet that women will all swoon and become 9s. Joe Biden need only take one look at that powerful, virile, remarkable image, and he will know that his campaign is at an end, and he will tear at his shirt with his hands in frustration but it will not rip, because the strength will have gone out of him, and he will have to undo the buttons slowly one by one, muttering to himself. That is how good the president looked.
TO BE CLEAR, I am not saying that it was good that any part of the president’s face was hidden, even for a brief time — I am merely saying that by the addition of that mask (so strong, so masculine, an image of such ineffable power), it was only strengthened and made more luminous. The president’s eyes are something like the sun, which does not alter when it alteration finds, if you see. His face looks good always, and the mask just brought out certain parts of that face by hiding other parts.
I am speechless. What a triumph!
(May I stop yet? You must let me know when to stop.)
And so the columnist talks about emotions. Strong healthy and virile kids. Totally irrelevant to an adult. Trump's looks. Yes that does work on so many adults who are children. I only read columnists who discuss logical conclusions from facts. All I read was emotions targeting adults who are still children.
Obviously the entire column is only about his emotions. Not one useful fact was posted. So an adult read it, and then asked, "Why did I waste my time?"
Moderates need and demand facts so that conclusions can exist later. Not one fact was in that columnist's diatribe. Is he a righty or a lefty? No adult cares. He posted no facts. So he wasted bandwidth. Preaching to adults who are children - who need their emotions pampered.
What was the only fact? Trump actually work a facemask. So much wasted bandwidth to only learn that.
The column was satirical, tw. It was intended to mock Trump, not present actual news.
tw couldn't pick up on that because he has no emotions in his bot software. :rolleyes:
The column was satirical, tw. It was intended to mock Trump, not present actual news.
.....
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
That's twice as funny as the column! I'm cryin from laughin so hard. Thank Trump my lungs are now tariffs.
The column was satirical, tw.
I found nothing entertaining in it. Especially since same reasoning is emphatically believed by his supporters. Satire was lost in that it is Trump disciple beliefs and exactly how they think.
Satire is harder to pull off these days, it's true. Real headlines can be easily mistaken for headlines from The Onion, and vice versa.
Real headlines can be easily mistaken for headlines from The Onion, and vice versa.
Who is writing funnier fiction? The Onion or Trump?
Even the Onion cannot write fiction as fast as Trump.
Those are adjuncts to COVID-19 treatment. They help keep up your strength to beat the disease. [/PSA]
ETA:
BTW, what's an endrose?
Does this only apply to a French employé?
BTW, what's an endrose?
When Ivanka Trump says she and her father are endorsing Goya products due to a 20% reduction in sales (because Goya's president openly approved of Trump's racism), then that is clearly an endorsement. Of course people who are told how to think by Fox News would not know that. Fox's purpose is to keep extremists brainwashed. So that extremists do not even apologize for the massacre of 5000 American servicemen in Iraq for no purpose.
And so that extremists will blame blacks for their own deaths. Blame peaceful demonstrators in Oregon for the violence. So that the Confederate flag (a flag similar to the Nazi flag) is protected. Claim that covid is just another flu virus. And to protect Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill:
Trail of Tears.
... BTW, what's an endrose? ...
This question wasn't answered.
This question wasn't answered.
She said what she was doing was "endorsing". Ivanaka clearly answered the question AND demonstrated how to 'endorse'.
An 'endrose' has no definition. Care to invent one?
That's the last rose to lose it's petals in the fall.
An 'endrose' has no definition. Care to invent one?
You're the one who posted "endrose" and you're the one who posted "employe."
Trying to invent your own language to go with your own reality?
That's the last rose to lose it's petals in the fall.
That's kinda beautiful.
Aw shucks you're just saying that... :blush:
Oh, you mean what I wrote.
Ha!
Back to Twitler, even Fox News has seen enough.
I found nothing entertaining in it. Especially since same reasoning is emphatically believed by his supporters. Satire was lost in that it is Trump disciple beliefs and exactly how they think.
Hey man.
tw, I apologize.
I will probably wreck the apology, but here goes anyway. I really wasn't laughing at you, I was laughing at the
*absurdity* of our current situation where Poe's Law could even be applied to Alexandra Petri's column. It is definitely satire, and you make a good point, some people express themselves like this in earnest. For the record, they're absurd too. The column was funny, your response just amplified the ridiculousness, so I laughed some more.
So, let's start over. Here are a couple more examples, check them out. ABSURD!
Are these even real?
1 -- Trump says Biden will abolish the suburbs.
2 -- Trump orders secret police to round up citizens in Portland.
Column: Trump is right — Joe Biden will abolish the suburbs. And NO ONE will be safe!
[SIZE="5"]Column: Trump is right — Joe Biden will abolish the suburbs. And NO ONE will be safe![/SIZE]
President Donald Trump is right — Joe Biden, a known supporter of evil and Marxism and America-hating, wants to abolish the suburbs.
But it’s worse than that. The Democratic presidential candidate and former vice president doesn’t just seek to abolish, he wants to bulldoze, befoul and hold pagan rituals on the ashes of the suburbs. He wants to demolish your cupboards, outlaw your scrub boards and cut up your club cards.
As Trump sensibly tweeted this week: “Joe Biden and the Radical Left want to Abolish Police, Abolish ICE, Abolish Bail, Abolish Suburbs, Abolish the 2nd Amendment — and Abolish the American Way of Life. No one will be SAFE in Joe Biden’s America!”
NO ONE WILL BE SAFE!
You have to believe these obviously truthful words and not look for any factual basis to support them. Seeking facts is what satanist DEMONcrats like Biden and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and KILLary Clinton want you to do.
Don’t get lulled into complacency by Biden’s long career in the public eye, nonthreatening and empathetic demeanor or eight years as a popular American vice president. He’s trouble.
As Trump said Thursday outside the White House: “Suburbia will be no longer as we know it, they’re gonna watch it go to hell.”
And suburb destruction is just the beginning of the havoc Biden would wreak as president.
I realize I’m getting ahead of the Trump campaign here, but allow me to detail THE MANY VERY REAL THINGS you should fear about Joe Biden.
He’s going to defund the military and force our brave soldiers to serve as gender-less spoken-word poetry ambassadors at “surrender bases” around the world. Our beautiful military weaponry, the jets and tanks and naval ships, will be melted down and forged into a towering statue of liberal billionaire George Soros, which Biden will place on the site of one of the many Midwestern churches he’ll tear down.
Every American homeowner will be required to house a member of the dangerous MS-13 street gang in their spare room, and provide that gang member with one clean hand towel, one clean bath towel and access to a guest bathroom stocked with flower-shaped soaps in an array of pastel colors. Toilet doilies will be mandatory.
Biden, immediately following his inauguration, will do away with all American borders, abolish law enforcement and declare Spanish the official language of America. All fire hydrants will be replaced with taco trucks.
He will dispatch immigrants in the country illegally to uproot any nonorganic gardens and force senior citizens to turn over their tchotchkes and knickknacks so they can be used in gift baskets for the terrorists who will be moving in next door to you.
Fields will burn. Rivers will run dry. Milkshakes will be banned.
The economy will collapse, with the dollar replaced by “Biden Bucks,” which will be equally distributed to all Americans and used to purchase protein pellets for sustenance. Health care will be available to all people, even the undeserving poor. (Gross.)
Black Lives Matter protesters will be given access to your lake houses. Liberal filmmaker Michael Moore will be named Indoctrination Czar and put in charge of all schools, gluten will be forbidden and everyone will have a peanut allergy.
The only sport allowed will be “Silencing Conservative Voices,” and events will be televised once a week on a program called “Everybody Loves Cancel Culture!” That show will be hosted by Kathy Griffin. All other stations will show “Will & Grace” reruns 24 hours a day.
Law enforcement won’t exist, crime will be encouraged and child smuggling will be incentivized. Satan, who will be Biden’s running mate, will routinely cast Christians into a lake of fire, though not on Tuesdays, because that day is reserved for mandatory yoga, meditation and statue destruction.
All of history will be erased, except for former President Barack Obama’s time in office, and that one corner of the couch you love will no longer be comfortable.
Trump’s extremely long and fantastic three miles of new border wall will be reconfigured into a square and used to imprison all white people, and the Statue of Liberty will be torn down and replaced with the Statue of Michelle Obama Wearing a Sleeveless Dress. Cows will start singing.
It’s going to be bad, folks. Don’t let yourself be fooled by so-called “fact checks” or “logic” or “a simple recognition that things could literally not get any worse.”
Biden will destroy America as we know it.
Protect the suburbs. Keep cows from singing. Vote Trump!
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Trump Unleashes His Secret Police in Portland
[SIZE="5"]Trump Unleashes His Secret Police in Portland[/SIZE]
In a dangerous authoritarian move, federal agents in camouflage and without badges are rounding up American citizens.
Donald Trump’s war on protesters is escalating, with reports emerging out of Portland, Ore., that federal law enforcement officers, wearing camouflage but without any other visible insignia, have been rounding up American citizens. On Thursday, Oregon Public Broadcasting (OPB) reported that “federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14. Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation of why they are being arrested, and driving off.”
OPB quotes one person who was arrested by these officers, although never charged. “I am basically tossed into the van,” Mark Pettibone told the broadcaster. “And I had my beanie pulled over my face so I couldn’t see and they held my hands over my head.” He was taken to a building that he later discovered was a federal courthouse. Only there was he read his Miranda rights, but he was never charged. After he asked for a lawyer, he was released. Videos are circulating on social media of similar detentions.
“It’s like stop and frisk meets Guantanamo Bay,” attorney Juan Chavez told OPB. He added that these detentions were not following any rules of probable cause. “It sounds more like abduction. It sounds like they’re kidnapping people off the streets.”
On the face of it, what these federal officers are doing is illegal and unconstitutional. It’s possible that they are acting under the 2011 National Defense Authorization Act, signed by Barack Obama, which legalized the detention of Americans suspected of being terrorists. If so, then the War on Terrorism has truly come home.
The Trump administration used unidentified federal officers to patrol Washington, D.C., in early June when the scale of the protests forced Trump to go into the White House bunker. Those officers turned out to be guards from the US Bureau of Prisons who had been repurposed as ad hoc praetorian guards.
Protests have been roiling Portland for over six weeks. Even prior to these protests, Portland was a site of a long-running battle between right-wing groups like the Proud Boys and left-wing activists who are usually lumped together under the antifa label. It’s possible that the antifa connection made Portland a spot of particular interest to the Trump administration, which has used the loosely organized anti-fascist groups as a scapegoat for social upheavals in the wake of police brutality.
The deployment of unidentified federal officers is particularly dangerous in a situation like that in Portland and elsewhere in America, because it could easily lead to right-wing militias’ impersonating legal authorities and kidnapping citizens. As former CIA counterintelligence analyst Aki Peritz notes, “All it takes is one of these similar-kitted out militiamen groups to start grabbing folks off the street as well, but then having their way with them, for there to be huge, possibly violent pushback for these tactics. This hurts the police, and the citizenry.” Peritz argues, “We’re quickly entering secret police territory now. DHS is becoming Trump’s Mukhābarāt” (mukhābarāt being the Arabic word for intelligence agency, used colloquially to refer, for example, to the Egyptian or Iraqi or Libyan secret police).
Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf is currently in Portland. In a statement on Thursday, Wolf said, “The city of Portland has been under siege for 47 straight days by a violent mob while local political leaders refuse to restore order to protect their city. Each night, lawless anarchists destroy and desecrate property, including the federal courthouse, and attack the brave law enforcement officers protecting it.” Wolf warned, “This siege can end if state and local officials decide to take appropriate action instead of refusing to enforce the law.”
Wolf’s strident words echoed the law-and-order theme that has come to the fore in Trump’s reelection campaign. Trump himself sounded a racist variation on the theme in a Thursday White House virtual town hall when he decried the collapse of “law and order” in cities like New York and Chicago. Trump also claimed that Democrats were trying to destroy the suburbs. Announcing the rescinding of an Obama order against racial segregation in housing, Trump said, “The suburb destruction will end with us.”
There is every sign that Trump will continue to pound the drum of law and order until the election. Portland is likely a test case for a larger security crackdown that will be repeated in other cities.
Oregon Governor Kate Brown has been commendably blunt in attacking Trump’s assault on protesters. On Thursday, she tweeted:
The President is failing to lead this nation. Now he is deploying federal officers to patrol the streets of Portland in a blatant abuse of power by the federal government.
I told Acting Secretary Wolf that the federal government should remove all federal officers from our streets. His response showed me he is on a mission to provoke confrontation for political purposes. He is putting both Oregonians and local law enforcement officers in harm’s way.
Brown shouldn’t be the only one protesting. Congressional Democrats need to open up an immediate investigation into the use of federal law enforcement officers in Portland. Joe Biden also needs to make clear that if elected he’ll order an immediate house cleaning in all federal agencies and that any officers found to have broken the law will be punished. Moreover, if Trump is acting within the law, the Democrats need to make new rules so no future president can repeat this travesty.
Jeet HeerJeet Heer is a national affairs correspondent at The Nation
Genuinely worried about the US right now.
How can this be happening in America, of all places?
I know there's a huge gun culture, and I get that the police are pretty militarised so heavy handed treatment of protesters is not such a big surprise (though the degree of it has been kind of shocking) - but this?
All those people who support Trump, waving their MAGA hats and protesting their democratic freedom to not wear a mask - where the fuck are you on this?
The many times i have had arguments on here with people on the extreme end of the Republican side and been told that the US approach to gun ownership and absolute defence of the right to free expression and STATE's rights against the federal gubmint make fascism impossible in America.
So where are you now? Can you support a president who sends federal officers, in full military kit to bundle protestors into unmarked cars, without due process and against the wishes of the individual state government - just because the people they're targeting are a different political stripe?
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In America?
For all I have grown in cynicism as an adult, I grew up on Superman and Rocky, in a world wholly infused with American soft power - at a deep level, I still think of America as the bastion of modern democratic values - albeit somewhat faded.
When Trump became president I was horrified and thought he would be disastrous - but I also thought the worst of his excesses would be ameliorated by the system he has to operate within. Most presidents (whatever party) are prevented from doing much in terms of radical change or action.
I was clearly very wrong.
I'm not going to say it's good here because it isn't but we can recover. We just need to get through an election cycle and absorb the nonsense after. The Trump right knows their enemy as the Deep State which is known to the rest of us as the folks who manage risks for the country. The judiciary while under assault has a long institutional memory. Chief Justice Roberts is showing signs of maintaining that. The Republican Senate has been a complete shit-show but that is also a one election issue. The Dems will want to retaliate but their best retaliation is responsible governance. Many of us have recognized that the Executive was accumulating too much power, now it should be obvious to everyone. The parties are a mess now so who knows how long the Dems can keep it together.
The actual news people at Fox are pushing back.
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Trumps lack of connection to existing ideological boundaries is on display now. He's is all about States Rights for fighting the virus but all about Federal Power for busting BLM heads. He really doesn't fit in any normal American political position, it may be a reflection of a big turnover in beliefs or just a rudderless reactionary electorate. The GOP Senate believed they could manage him for their own purposes but that seems not to be the case.
How can this be happening in America, of all places?
Plenty of little reasons explain it. For example, many Trump officials are now "Acting ...". He fires responsible people. Replaces them with "Acting ..." people that need not be vetted. Then does not bother to hire anyone for the job - who would otherwise be vetted by Congressional or Civil Service review. He surrounds himself with a type of emotionally reactive people who will even invite Russians to manipulate our elections and then deny it publicly using insults. In short, lie. Since lying is good when a government is run by despots.
Furthermore, he has inspired a type of 'adult who is still a child' mentality that is also found in posts from Urbane Guerrilla and henry quirk. They don't reason rationally. They use emotions to justify personal attacks and insults. Then lies need not be exposed or even discussed. As if that is reasonable or an 'adult acting like an adult'.
Charlottesville, Virginia demonstrated this early on. And still, so many remained perfunctory of That Don and his long criminal history. So many foolishly credit him with the Obama economy that makes him look good. Only recently have many finally started to see The Don for who he really is. Before Covid, The Don had already started a major recession.
Notice how bad The Don had to be before so many saw it. He finally said masks are necessary. And then lies saying he always believed mask are good and necessary. No problem. Adults, who are still children, will even believe that obvious lie.
Same trends exist in Poland and Hungary. Once an 'adult child' is convinced that all institutions are conspiring against their extremist, then their support for that extremists is fully entrenched - will never change. Will always ignore facts. How many knew Nixon was a victim when reality clearly said otherwise? Entrenched - because thoughts come from a Reptilian brain.
So many also rabidly knew Saddam had WMDs when facts clearly and blatantly said he did not. All that is obvious in The Cellar back in and after 2002. And still so many in America, who believed those outright lies, refuse to apologize for their part in killing 5,000 American servicemen for no purpose. That would force them to admit why they were so easily deceived. To learn why some adults still do not think logically; are manipulated by targeting a child's (reptilian) brain.
Demonstrated are so many who know only from their feelings / emotions. A powerful machine promotes outright and obvious lies as if fact. A great purveyor of misinformation and extremism is Facebook. Run by a man who has no interest in being responsible - who only wants profits. Another source of the dribs and drabs of misinformation that slowly turn a government into totalitarian.
The President is now threatening to send Storm Troopers to cities run by Democratic Mayors. Since only those cities (he lies) contain anarchy. Another little change that, well, that is how 1930 Germany became 1940 Nazis. We are suppose to learn from history.
Gerrymandering is still standard practice. In Florida, it was done repeatedly even after laws were created to make it illegal. Florida only partially restricted gerrymandering finally when its Supreme Court said the Republican Party was intentionally and brazenly violating the law. But only required four districts to be reconfigured.
The Economist demonstrated how we are doing so much harm to America using 'death by a thousand cut' methods. What
Trump did to Senator Sessions is another example of how totalitarianism happens.
A hotbed of this problem exists when great and responsible Republicans are being replaced by people who have a Nazi party attitude. Like 1930 Nazi Party, they claim to believe in government. But in reality openly endorse and work towards totalitarianism. That party has become popular among whites only who harbor racist tendencies. Even administration officials are only 'Acting'. Only approved by The Don. Whose entire life has been similar to Al Capone.
Al Capone was finally convicted on tax evasion. The Don even sacked a prosecutor (in Southern Manhattan) who job is to investigate tax evasion. Trump[ replaced that Prosecutor with another "Acting" supervisor. Al Capone would be jealous. Nobody even in the Cellar complained.
This 'death by a thousand cuts' was pioneered / promoted in America by Newt Gingrich. Who demonstrated how to obtain power by lying - attack the person rather than address an issue. Newt was a genius at this technique of using emotions and insults to rally 'adults who are still children'. What has changed in American politics. He is a Democrat so he must be liberal - therefore evil. A Trump mantra because it entrenches his mostly white, racist, and emotional 'strongest' supporters.
The actual news people at Fox are pushing back.
Chris Wallace remains the only senior correspondent in Fox who asks damning question. Another was finally driven out a year or so ago. I really do not understand why Chris Wallace is not fired. Because he has repeatedly used these type expressions when some lies are so egregious. "That is not true, sir."
Jennifer Griffin also getting it done at Fox.
Weirdly, a stable genius allowed Bob Woodward to tape his interviews. He knows his supporters though, nothing he could say matters. His words always mean what they want them to mean.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/911138032/woodward-book-says-trump-chose-to-downplay-deadliness-of-virus-to-avoid-panicWow. Can anyone confirm? Someone said Trump did not lie today. Has the Universe ended?
you mean when he was talking about the people who want war for their war machine money?
you mean when he was talking about the people who want war for their war machine money?
You mean he could not keep his mouth shut for even one day?
Trumps lie of the day:
It's getting COOLER. You just watch.
How brainwashed or uneducated is anyone who would vote for Trump? Well they do have a purpose in America .... as cannon fodder.
Meanwhile, we here in MI are sure the impotus must have been having a word with his Friends at Fox about the projected path of hurricane Sally, seeing as he knows more about hurricanes than anyone. Looking forward to seeing the sharpie extension of the projected path on this evening's news...
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/
Policy & Ethics
Scientific American Endorses Joe Biden
We’ve never backed a presidential candidate in our 175-year history—until now
The evidence and the science show that Donald Trump has badly damaged the U.S. and its people—because he rejects evidence and science. Trump's magic marker will again prove that a hurricane will hit Alabama. He lies so incessantly that he will eventually get something right.
Why are Trump supporters in the Cellar so silent? Embarrassed?
UG - why are you not insulting people because Trump's lies are so egregious?
Maybe they also believed other liars, such as Cheney, who proved Saddam had WMDs. We are talking about what some people call "news". And what liars (KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis) call "alternative facts".
[SIZE="6"]TRUMP WINS! PRESIDENT REELECTED![/SIZE]
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This is a kindness.
Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.
Cite: everywhere, really.
My astonishment and outrage circuits have been overloaded so long that naked broadcasts of authoritarian intent like this should provoke a stronger response than I've experienced. It sounds bad. It is bad. It really is the advance warning, explicit and plain and direct, of what would be a constitutional crisis. The most un-American act possible by a sitting President. Yet I do not know how to respond.
Nothing seems productive or worthwhile or effective. I can't ignore it, I can't escape it; it's bullshit, *obviously*, but even bullshit pollutes the air around it even if you don't step in it. It is an act of war on our democracy, our (well armed) democratic republic. And people believe his shit! Their brains are dying, needlessly, because of their acceptance of his words, like "injecting poison into their bodies, it kills in, like, a minute". I grieve for the lost sensibilities of my fellow Americans.
... Yet I do not know how to respond. ...
... I grieve for the lost sensibilities of my fellow Americans.
Vote for Trump so he'll win reelection and you won't have to worry about a transfer of power. GO FORTH AND GRIEVE NO MORE. :rotflol:
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-new-york-archive-joe-biden-donald-trump-a745b2e59de2c85e8bcffce3f8466eeb?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=AP%20Morning%20Wire&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers
I feel like this is another misread of Trump voters.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The bombshell revelations that President Donald Trump paid just $750 in federal income taxes the year he ran for office and paid no income taxes at all in many others threaten to undercut a pillar of his appeal among blue-collar voters and provide a new opening for his Democratic rival, Joe Biden, on the eve of the first presidential debate.
I don't think anyone really suspects he was a great businessman. He is getting away with being a conman. That's where the love comes from. He is sticking it to The Man whoever that is.
To other voters, the magnitude of his debt might be a cause for concern.
I totally agree. They actually admire it when the rich & powerful get away with stuff because they dream of getting away with stuff when they are rich & powerful, too.
Even Al Capone would admire The king of corruption - Trump.
He even kept replacing Attorney Generals until he found one that would protect him.
As we all known, the Attorney General is suppose to work for America - and not for the President.
... He is sticking it to The Man whoever that is.
Now that he is The Man, he's been sticking it to himself by making himself donate his $400,000 annual Presidential salary for the past 3 years at $100,000/quarter.
[SIZE="3"]Recent salary donations go to the Health Department[/SIZE]
... The Constitution doesn't allow the president to reject his earnings, which originally forced George Washington to accept the first presidential salary, so Trump began donating his salary quarterly in April 2017. The first $100,000 went to the National Park Service, and since then, he has donated to various federal departments.
Most recently, Trump donated the last two quarters of his 2019 salary and his first quarter of his 2020 salary to the Department of Health and Human Services. The department is working on two issues that Trump designated for the funds: the opioid crisis and COVID-19.
The Associated Press reported on Nov 26, 2019 that Trump's 2019 third-quarter salary went to the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Health, an operating agency within HHS. The funds were earmarked for "the ongoing fight against the opioid crisis."
Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany tweeted on March 3, 2020, that Trump's 2019 fourth-quarter salary was being donated to the HHS to support the department's efforts to "confront, contain, and combat #Coronavirus." The tweet also featured a picture of Trump's check to the office from January.
The 2020 first-quarter salary donation was mentioned briefly by the press secretary at a press conference on May 22, 2020. McEnany said the first quarter would again be going to HHS, this time to "develop new therapies for treating and preventing COVID-19 so that we can safely reopen."
In a tweet, Judd Deere, the deputy press secretary, confirmed that Trump's first-quarter 2020 salary will be going to HHS for "the development of new therapeutics to treat #COVID19 infections." ...
https://truthout.org/articles/tax-returns-show-trump-looting-treasury-to-stave-off-his-own-financial-disaster/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=e06fd674-1afb-4eef-9676-d4b9d2717372
A good summary.
I just watched a few minutes of old Apprentice shows on Youtube.
I plain old never saw one before and they are worse than I imagined.
What an ignorant, arrogant fool.
Now that he is The Man, he's been ... donate his $400,000 annual Presidential salary for the past 3 years at $100,000/quarter.
A far right extremist and entrenched Donald Trump supporter would praise pennies donated to make the scumbag look good.
Trump owes at least $300 million for foreign lenders. Why to foreign lenders? He stiffed all major American banks. He cannot get loans in America (except from Deutsche Bank). Trump defaulted on loans to all major banks. Most will not do
any business with him. So he goes begging to and is servile to foreign lenders. Ironic
since some American banks will even launder money for criminals - illegally. And still will not do business with Trump.
Is that damning enough? Apparently not.
Trump stiffed banks just like he routinely stiffed contractors. His tax returns confirm all his companies lost money almost everyone of the past 15 years. He could not make a profit even by routinely stiffing all contractors? A man that praises anti-Americans (Nazi, KKK, White Supremacist) and stiffs the workingman deserves praise? Who is this ant-American?
Trump is secretly servile to numerous foreign entities. And does everything to hide it. Only the most far right extremists (clearly brainwashed) would remain loyal to someone more corrupt than Nixon.
Nobody else, with Trump's portfolio, could not have any security clearance. Anyone else, with his portfolio, would be a largest security risk to the United States. No wonder he all but invited Kim Jong-Un to keep building nuclear bombs and intercontinental ballistic missiles.
Kim made some vague promise to a man with only a 30 second attention span. So Trump, as easily scammed as any right wing extremist, believed it all.
From the BBC:
US President Donald Trump has defended Russia over claims of interference in the 2016 presidential election.
All American intelligent services - everyone - said Putin is conducting attacks on American elections. Trump denied it. Because Putin told him it was not happening. Trump, who may be in hock even to Russians, said he will believe Putin. Trump disparages all American intelligence agencies. Only a brainwashed anti-American would still support and defend Trump after that. And yes, some have so much contempt for America as to believe Putin - just like Trump.
Only one, who is that anti-American, could deny that Trump is a major threat to America. Even people who are waterboarded are not that gullible. Trump even turned a robust American economy into a recession (more than a year before Covid-19). Extremist will even conveniently forget that - because Trump donates pennies. So that he could also write it off on his taxes.
He donated thousands of pennies to make the most easily brainwash people (a far extremist) believe he is a good guy. $400,000 would do nothing to his $300,000,000 plus outstanding debts. But gets America's least educated to praise Trump. Because Trump is a major security threat to America.
Only far right wing extremists would say anything good about a man who praises KKK, White Supremacist, and Nazi. That is about as anti-American (or as brainwashed) as one can get.
His sister, Judge Barry, is recorded describing Donald Trump:
He has no principles. None. None. And his base, I mean my God, if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this.
Referring to Trump's taking kids away from parents who seek asylum. And make it impossible to reunite these families. How many extermists also forget that?
His goddamned tweet and lying, oh my God. I’m talking too freely, but you know. The change of stories. The lack of preparation. The lying. Holy shit.
Only an anti-American - one who demonstrates contempt even for the American soldier - would ignore so many facts to still praise such an evil man.
He even described dead American soldiers, in places such as Arlington National Cemetery, as ... "losers". And Sexobon praises Trump. Demonstrates again how easily some can be indoctrinated by America's enemies.
No wonder Trump is friendliest with America's greatest adversaries - especially Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-Un. And is so nasty to American allies. He literally said all American intelligence agencies lie - and that Putin is honest. Only America's enemies (including far right extremists in the Cellar) would say that is good.
Sexobon had to dig this deep to find anything positive. Pennies donated while thousands of American die due to his incompetence and 30 second attention span.
This president could not even get a security clearance based upon his history and portfolio. No wonder an official, responsible for vetting security clearances in the White House, was fired for doing her job. The Donald - more corrupt than Nixon - is also that much a threat to America's security.
He even gave away a most sensitive British secret a Russian Foreign Minister and their Ambassador while in the Oval Office. To brag about how much he knows - with contempt for all good people and American allies. Sexobon approves - as any good far right extremist would.
If Sexobon had any integrity, he would apologize repeatedly for Trump. Far right extremists, in the tradition of Timothy McVeigh, will not.
Too many facts? Sorry.
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No where in there does it say that you donated over a million dollars to this country. Sour grapes.
Don't worry about trump he's making enough off the Secret Service alone to live comfortably.
Don't worry about trump he's making enough off the Secret Service alone to live comfortably.
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rump refused to divest his business interests after his 2016 victory, and left day-to-day operation of his family’s real estate and other holdings to his sons Donald Jr. and Eric. Still, the president has benefitted personally from U.S. and foreign government activity at his properties since his election and hasn’t shied away from promoting his hotels and golf courses.
Republicans have held at least 88 political events at his properties, the president has visited his hotels and golf courses more than 500 times, and at least 13 foreign governments have held events at Trump establishments, according to a tally by CREW.
The administration drew criticism last year when Vice President Mike Pence, while visiting Dublin for meetings, lodged at Trump International Golf Links and Hotel more than 180 miles away in Doonbeg, Ireland. And Trump scrapped a plan to hold a meeting of the Group of 7 world leaders at one of his Florida properties last year after bipartisan criticism.
https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-donald-trump-business-elizabeth-warren-national-security-042cc007c36cf773558bfd250c9701dfNo where in there does it say that you donated over a million dollars to this country.
Clearly defined is your contempt for America. Mostly due to ignorance and denial.
Like Hitler, Trump markets himself to the least educated people. Like with all despots, it works.
You're obviously a disgruntled peasant. Mostly due to delusions of grandeur and bad genes.
Like Santa Claus, Trump has gifted Americans and he did it without elves. Like with all benefactors, there's always some disgruntled peasants who resent it.
debate bingo words:
China sleepy menace fake news stock market covid socialist american hunter ...
"will you shut up , man?? "
those top ten Democrat cities are ALSO AMERICAN CITIES .
the crosstalk and immunity to facts makes this EXTREMELY difficult to follow
stand , stand by
But...Stand by...(Wink)
....
Really?
Jfc
Hilary Clinton?
Good.God.
bidens A little scattered..
I recognize that. It's like i think a lot of the time.
Trump just bulldozes everyone else.... That makes him LOUDER but not righter.
I fucking hate this kind of argumentation.
It. Is. Bullshit.
dude, step away from the screen..... and the keyboard......
maybe pop outside and listen to the crickets serenading the changing of he seasons (they'll probably make more sense)
BBC stated quite clearly how to interprete Trump's denial for a peaceful transistion of power. However Deutsche Welle (Germany's news service) was blunt. It associated Trump's denials with what they described as a similar event - Belarus' Alexander Lukashenko refusal to leave office.
Only hours after Trump refusal to a peacful transistion, Mitt Romney tweeted: "Fundamental to democracy is the peaceful transition of power; without that, there is Belarus. Any suggestion that a president might not respect this Constitutional guarantee is both unthinkable and unacceptable."
Mitt Romney is a moderate. So he is no longer invited to major Republican functions.
dude, step away from the screen..... and the keyboard......
No longer possible in America. Be concerned. Extremists are encouraging anarchy like we have not seen since Joseph McCarthy. We have already seen Trump's Storm Troopers marching in streets carrying AK-47s - just like the SS and SA did generations ago. Trump openly encourages it. Charlottesville Virginia is but another example of hate that he will encourage for years. If we all do not start appreciating this threat and act on 3 November. Don't walk away. Be very concerned.
Hate groups are now publicly marching. Inspired by Trump. Only 3 November can defuse it.
We know Trump will not exercise a peaceful transition of power. He is already planting lies to subvert credibility of our elections. Did so again tonight. Trump's good friend and ally, Putin, is openly and actively assisting. Trump even denies what all (13?) American intelligence agencies say.
Trump's narcissistic personality disorder means he cannot admit defeat. When removed from office (maybe forcefully), well, he will do classic despotism. Continue to inspire anarchy, confrontation, disorder, nihilism, racism, riots, misogyny, skepticism, disinformation, hate, mistrust, and personal attacks even on patriots (moderates) for years. It has already begun:
A Rural Area with Moderate Politics .
He openly labeled American soldiers in military cemeteries as '
losers'. America's far right extremists are so easily manipulated as to approve. Even Sexobon tacitly approved. henry quirk, Urbane Guerrilla, and sexobon are examples of these disciples.
An orange faced bully knows how to incite adults who are still children; just like Hitler, Mussolini, and McCarthy did. We are suppose to learn from history.
Scowling was constantly on Trump's face for the entire 'so called' debate. He parodied behavior and facial appearances of other famous (above cited) despots. Problem is, he was not trying to be funny. It is and will long remain his attitude.
He has already primed his disciples to create anarchy if he loses this election. No different than other despots from history.
Be concerned. Symptoms of this type future are apparent. And, like Saddam's WMDs, I do not say this lightly. If a landslide election does not bring him down, expect hate and dissension on a confrontational scale.
Sexobon's open contempt, constantly posting combative insults, is again apparent here. He is a Trump disciple - brainwashed by Trump's emotionally enticing hate. He again posts without contributing anything honest or useful - just like Trump did tonight.
Even Richard Nixon was not as corrupt (and dangerous) as Trump. A landslide victory is necessary for a peaceful transition of power and for peace years later.
Remember the good old days when it was so simple? Obama was not an American. Did Trump lie again?
Be concerned; but, don't worry. The world will keep on turning while tw has a meltdown and conniptions. Notice how the postings of panic stricken ruminants gets longer and longer as they continue to regurgitate fake news believing quantity of verbiage can make up for lack of quality. It's a figment of the twittledee peasant mentality of twittledumb.
Yes the world keeps turning, civilizations fall, and humans grind it out. Choosing to fail is where we part company.
Chris Wallace was the only winner last night.
Trump clearly came in with the intent of interrupting and avoiding any discussion of anything of importance.
Biden did better on interrupting, but still bit on Trump's attacks.
All of a sudden, talk of Biden's terminal senility is muted.
Trump must be just about the crudest, rudest, lyingest asshole ever to come down the pike.
They weren't going to give Ivanka enough camera time; so, I didn't watch the debate.
Sounds like I didn't miss much.
I thought it was really funny.
Did you say smart?
No one cares, Joe.
... This clown over here...
I lolled.
Bad things happen in Philly. Bad things.
I'm a disinterested third party but, based on the TV reports I have seen, the Trump-Biden debate generated more heat than light.
Meanwhile, Abe Lincoln turns in his grave...
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'So called' debate was completely about The Donald using interruptions and insults. But then words that begin with "I" are his favorite.
He was always that way. Amazing how many did not see what was obvious in 2016 when the President of his election campaign (Steve Bannon) was dealing with a 30 second attention span. He could not even stay quiet for 30 seconds. He even got into pissing arguments with Chris Wallace. Would not even let Wallace finish many of his questions.
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Everyday, this guy throws another threat to the American economy. Trump is old (74) and obese. He has all factors necessary to be killed by Covid. And an attitude that makes him ripe for sickness.
Well he finally contracted the disease. And within less than 48 hours, was so sick as to require ICU treatment. Normally the president goes by cars to something local in Washington. But was apparently so sick as to need airlift.
Apparently so sick that at one point reporters were told they could not see the president lift off. Apparently cooler heads prevailed. White House officials realized that might create a national panic.
Time to start discussing (preparing for) possibilities. For example, what happens if he dies in the next four weeks? Or what happens if he is comatose, on a ventilator, on 3 November? These are real possibilities because reality constantly has contradicted what he keeps saying and what extremists believe.
Another, today, told me that Covid is only as dangerous as the flu. Amazing how brainwashed so many remain after facts said otherwise for so long. He is an avid Trump supporter who may learn (finally from Trump) how dangerous this disease really is.
Trump may be weeks for death. Or may be incapacitated for the next six weeks - throughout the rest of this election.
Will that cause so many extremists to finally learn how many times Trump lied - even about Covid? Or will it rally supporters?
Its a whole new ballgame where Trump may be sicker than his extremist subordinates want to admit. Apparently his sick wife is nowhere near as sick. So she remains in the White House.
Again, using a helicopter to go to Walter Reid suggests he is far sicker than anyone is admitting.
"I don’t wear a mask like him,” Trump said of Biden mockingly in the debate. “Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from him and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen.”
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-joe-biden-archive-cleveland-82808a7ace38de0966ec140a7ad3cb21
This unceasing ugliness is why we have trouble maintaining decorum. We have to hold our punches if we're going to mend our society. Hopefully folks who are persuadable put 2 and 2 together. mask / distance / wash yo hands
Some of the people who don't wash their hands to reduce the spread of COVID-19 are probably the same people who don't wash their hands after grabbing pussy too.
]https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-joe-biden-archive-cleveland-82808a7ace38de0966ec140a7ad3cb21
Trump’s speech was notably shorter than usual, 45 minutes instead of the usual one to two hours.
Hitler and Castro also gave multiple hour speeches to their brainwashed audiences.
“Don’t be afraid of Covid”
Lots of bad news today. I’m not sure I’ll be able to visit homes next week. This 🤡 needs to shut up.
I wonder if Trump was trying to look like Mussolini when he posed after taking his mask off.
He then proceeded into the Nation's House prepared to infect all he met with a potentially deadly disease.
After shaming them into removing their only defense, their masks.
Speaking of Il Duce, I wonder if we'll see President Pennywise in Benito's pose in the Piazzale Loreto.
Speaking of Il Duce, I wonder if we'll see President Pennywise in Benito's pose in the Piazzale Loreto.
No unfortunately we are civilized now.
"President Pennywise"!!!
Unitl now, I didn't realize shade could be thrown on Pennywise....*shudder*
LOL
Break it down, ladies, if you please.
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No unfortunately we are civilized now.
Everyone's attention belongs here. The
New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), that has never made a political statement, says (without stating his name) that Trump is a worst ever president. He and his peers are responsible for numerous American deaths. Obviously referring to Trump and other extremist administration officials:
They have taken a crisis and turned it into a tragedy.
We all know who "they" is.
Trump says he could murder someone on Fifth Ave and still be elected. 40% of America approve. Trump has successfully murdered at least tens of thousands. Including all of my nephew's grandmothers. 40% still approve. So many who never speak out are now speaking out.
Countries such as Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe, and Ethiopia are bluntly cited as doing testing superior to America - due to obstructions at the Federal level.
NEJM says what only the most brainwashed will deny.
The magnitude of this failure is astonishing. According to the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering, the United States leads the world in Covid-19 cases and in deaths due to the disease, far exceeding the numbers in much larger countries, such as China.
In 200 years, not even one editor signed a political editorial. Almost never has an editorial been signed by all 35 editors of NEJM. Trump is that anti-American.
They all said
The death rate ... even dwarfs the rates in lower middle-income countries, such as Vietnam, by a factor of almost 2000.
Only the brainwashed deny science and numbers even from the NEJM.
In over 200 years, NEJM has never once said anything political. But Trump is so incompetent and corrupt as to even make Nixon look honest.
The response of our nation’s leaders has been consistently inadequate. The federal government has largely abandoned disease control to the states. Governors have varied in their responses, not so much by party as by competence. But whatever their competence, governors do not have the tools that Washington controls. Instead of using those tools, the federal government has undermined them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which was the world’s leading disease response organization, has been eviscerated and has suffered dramatic testing and policy failures.
Is NEJM blunt enough to break into brainwashed skulls?
85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management -obviously. 99% of all problems are directly traceable when he denies it and blames others. His attention span is only 30 seconds. Brainwashed eyes have just glazed over.
truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.
Last month,
Scientific American endorsed Joe Biden for president. First time that publication has backed any presidential candidate in its 175-year history. Patriots (educated moderates) are stating quite bluntly who is that monumental a threat to America.
William Foege (CDC Director from 1977 to 1983) is a renowned epidemiologist who served under Democratic and Republican presidents. A private letter last month was released where CDC Director Robert Redfield is accused of letting the CDC make mistakes while a pandemic spread throughout America. He says CDC official should admit and publicize in writing how the White House has undermined, harmed, and constantly harassed CDC and FDA actions - that America needed 10 months ago. He says these doctors should be honest even though it would mean they are fired by Trump.
From Wikipedia:
On September 23, 2020 he [Foege] sent a private letter to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert R. Redfield urging him to acknowledge in writing that the CDC had responded poorly to COVID-19 and to set a new course for how CDC would lead the United States' response, calling the White House's approach "disastrous."
Making overt political statements is something new also to him. Because Trump is that unqualified.
Frontline just broadcast a damning report ("America's Medical Supply Crisis") on how Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) were unavailable this past year due to repeated inaction and obstruction by a scumbag and his administration. Same was discussed
here in the Cellar.
A far right wing Republican dominated
Supreme Court in Wisconsin blocked all necessary Covid-19 protection rules on 10 September. Wisconsin is now has its highest Covid-19 infection rates. Wisconsin State Fair Grounds are now being converted to emergency Covid-19 hospitals. It is that bad and expected to be worse - because extremist politics subverted proven science.
The president is contagious. When he got off a helicopter, he took off his mask and began spreading his disease (not a Chinese disease - Trump's disease) onto others in the White House. Live on all major TV networks. Only a racist, anti-Semite, or nazi like extremists would approve. The people that Trump called 'fine people'.
Scientific America and New England Journal of Medicine have never before made political editorials. But then we have never had a president that even Timothy McVeigh types love.
Even
Bob Woodward did something he has never done before.
He made a conclusion, he says is so obvious, that he had to state it.
For nearly 50 years, I have written about nine presidents from Nixon to Trump - 20 percent of the 45 U.S. presidents. A president must be willing to share the worst with the people, the bad news with the good. All presidents have a large obligation to inform, warn, protect, to define goals and the true national interest. It should be a truth-telling response to the world, especially in crisis. Trump has, instead, enshrined personal impulse as a governing principle of his presidency.
When his performance as president is taken in its entirety, I can only read one conclusion. Trump is the wrong man for the job.
Trump has successfully murdered at least tens of thousands. Including all of my nephew's grandmothers.
If you are saying what I think you are saying, then I'm sorry for the deaths in your family, tw.
If you are saying what I think you are saying, then I'm sorry for the deaths in your family, tw.
Yes, those deaths are in my family. On a day that the Great Liar said there are only 15 Covid cases and that will drop to zero - that is the day that one died.
Don't be sorry for me. I am less relevant. Over 200,000 have died because, as the New England Journal of Medicine make obvious, the Great Liar kills people because he is incompetent. Because he has a 30 second attention span. Because all must sacrifice for the greater glory of Trump's narcissistic personality disorder. Be sorry for all Americans because of what he and his 'hate' supporters have done to America. I am simply one example of what Trump and his disciples have and will continue to do to America. That says where 'sorrow' should be directed.
Hey Hey Donald J. How many more Americans will you kill today. Shamefully, that is a fact - not rhetoric. So many dead Americans exist because, as so many educated (patriotic) people know, Trump has always been and is "the wrong man for the job".
I was buying masks in January because this threat was that obvious that long ago. Months later Boris Johnson and Donald Trump were still denying and obstructing. Both knew reality. And lied anyway. Be sorry for so many patriotic Americans harmed by a racist, anti-Semite, misogynist, Nazi loving, philandering president. Don't waste time or emotion on me. Focus blame where consideration belongs.
I'm sorry for all of them, and that includes you, tw.
It's a shame you didn't warn your family, just like you didn't warn us
(first tw post about COVID was 2/28 in the thread started 2/27)
If he refuses to debate, I hope they adopt the Have I Got News For You approach
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I have a rotting pumpkin they can borrow
It's a shame you didn't warn your family, just like you didn't warn us
Relevant people were trying to not spread harm. The guy, who thinks he may have killed my mother, said straight out, he could not get tested. Tried repeatedly. We know why. Trump could have used the Defense Procurement Act to address a constant and severe shortage of reagents and other necessary materials to do testing. He refused, with contempt for America.
He openly said testing is unnecessary. When experts (patriots) were saying we must do one million tests daily. Even today, Trump demonstrates denials. He has no problem spreading the Trump virus. Intentionally removing his mask before live national TV. His family intentionally violated rules defined by the Cleveland Clinic - due to contempt for America. Same denials, that killed so many so many months ago, remains. Because the Great Liar was and "is the wrong man for the job."
UT avoids discussing the threat, topic, and a treasonist Trump. I also did not mention those family deaths long ago. I address what is relevant. UT - the topic is that scumbag - who was a scumbag even in 2016 - as demonstrated by many facts repeatedly posted here.
Trump does today what he has done his entire life. He never created or ran a single successful company. He always stiffed his contractors. He did not (could not) pay back his bank loans. Then used corruption to enrich himself. Others died? He blames the Chinese. He always blames others even though 99% of all problems (and my family deaths) are directly traceable to him.
Not citing Trump as THE problem in every post is disingenuous.
People so naive in 2016, who did not see what is now painfully obvious, really should apologize for (concede to) their massive mistake.
The man has so much contempt for everyone as to even call soldiers "losers". Why would anyone not always criticize the scumbag? Brainwashing.
I address what is relevant
Apparently death isn't relevant to you. First tw post about COVID was 2/28 in the thread started 2/27
You could have prevented deaths if you had such amazing a priori knowledge. You claim you had the information. You bought the masks. You told nobody. You did not prevent the deaths. Blood is on your hands, killer.
Apparently death isn't relevant to you. First tw post about COVID was 2/28 in the thread started 2/27
As I often do, wait for someone to start that discussion. And amazed how long nobody was discussing this. Actually considered starting a discussion earlier in February. But decided to wait - to learn how many remained uninformed (ie brainwashed by Fox News, et al). Was shocked to learn how many did not see what was obvious.
Remember Saddam's WMDs and many who were brainwashed by that obvious lie? I did same then. Only after discussion started, I buried discussion with reams of facts that made reality obvious - Saddam did not have WMDs - obviously. Also discussed Phase Four planning. How Bremer (and Rumsfeld) created a disastrous insurgency - as predicted (it was worse than even I expected)? Remember "dejavue Nam"? Also not discussed until others finally began discussing.
For those new to the Cellar, find these discussions back around 2003. Don't know if they remain.
The topic is a scumbag so corrupt as to never even own or run a successful company. Who even stiffs contractors and defaults on bank loans. To enrich himself at the expense of all others. Even Fox News praises that scumbag. Some persons here even recite Fox News lies - that promote Trump. Just like they believed Fox News lies about Saddam's WMDs Katrina. Global warming. And Fukushima Daiichi.
So instead of discussing the topic and reasons for brainwashing, you make accusations. Then we need not know how many times your got those above discussions wrong. My god sir. News showed those nuclear plants exploding. And you still denied those meltdowns.
I saw this coming when responsible news sources provided facts. But not anywhere near as bad as it is. I expected it to end (seriously diminish) by August. It is worse than even I expected. But Fox News order you to believe it was just another flu. You recited that lie.
Two can play this Trump style game of accuse others to avert facts and reality. Trump has always been that corrupt. Which explains why even Timothy McVeigh types love him. And why America's Covid-19 response has been one of the world's worst. Apparently you do not want to admit that reality. Some also will not apologize for advocating the death of 5,000 Americans for no purpose.
Trump intentionally removes his mask off to spread Trump's viral wisdom. Why does UT approve? Do you want to play this "accuse others" game. Or deal with reality. A president with a 30 second attention span.
You've started 323 threads since the beginning and 8 this year, Otis.
But the question is not only about us, it's about your family. Do you not start discussions with them? When the topic is life or death?
Family blood is on your hands
You've started 323 threads since the beginning and 8 this year, Otis.
Only 323 threads since the 1990s. Many were only corny jokes or curious anomalies. Or a continuation of another thread. I started less than 1% of the threads I have posted in. That proves Trump properly addressed Covid-19 threats?. Of course he did not. Stay on topic. We know someone, with a 30 second attention span, cannot.
Trump was informed the Pandemic was coming by his administration's professional scientist - in
January. You don't know that. Fox News job is to keep one uninformed and brainwashed. Trump admits (in recordings) to being warned in January.
Responsible news services (both domestic and international) were telling me that something serious was coming. About same time Trump was also told. Those are facts ... relevant .. and denied by you because it contracts Fox News brainwashing..
Your emotions denied Saddam's WMDs were mythical even after George Jr admitted so. Emotions. Denied Fukushima Daiichi reactors were in meltdown even after two exploded. Emotions. Claimed global warming does not exist by posting some vague and irrelevant half truth about volcanoes. Emotions. Because "really fake" news from Fox said so.
Trump is worse (more corrupt) than Nixon. If you know otherwise, then defend him. You cannot. So in the Trump tradition, attack a person. Since overt lies cannot be defended - even by alternative facts.
An adult would be posting facts to defend Trump. But that is impossible. Fox News never provided honest facts. Trump and Fox News constantly lie - even back in January when masks sold out as fast as they arrived.
Will UT address the issue? Or post more irrelevant, UG style lies?
The whole world is watching.
blood on your hands, killer
all that wisdom but it did nothing for your own kin
blood on your hands, killer
all that wisdom but it did nothing for your own kin
UT again demonstrates a classic Trump supporter. Personal insults and not one fact. Proving but again how corrupt Trump is and how brainwashed his supporters are.
surprised you can type, or that the blood doesn't clog the keyboard
Apparently death isn't relevant to you. First tw post about COVID was 2/28 in the thread started 2/27
You could have prevented deaths if you had such amazing a priori knowledge. You claim you had the information. You bought the masks. You told nobody. You did not prevent the deaths. Blood is on your hands, killer.
I tried on
February first but you guys wanted to talk about instrument of music instead of instruments of death. :crone:
I tried on February first but you guys wanted to talk about instrument of music instead of instruments of death.
Bring back sanity. What happened to Tiny Tim?
I tried on February first but you guys wanted to talk about instrument of music instead of instruments of death. :crone:
That was my fault.
We didn’t have expert intelligence reports being delivered to us. It wasn’t until March that I realized it was worse than the flu here in the US. Those first two weeks of March, shit got real. I had been trying to understand the numbers and what they meant in the second half of February.
I attended a wedding on February 29, and had a fairly intense discussion with a cousin where I took the position that Covid was serious, but only about as bad as the flu. She was in full blown pandemic belief, but interestingly, was at a crowded wedding without a mask. I don’t think there were confirmed US cases yet at that time, but I was convinced it had breached the borders.
My office closed Mid-March, and I bought a better computer monitor the first week of March, so I knew it was real then.
I am going to pick a date and say that I knew it was real on March 10, 2020.
She was in full blown pandemic belief, but interestingly, was at a crowded wedding without a mask. I don’t think there were confirmed US cases yet at that time, but I was convinced it had breached the borders.
In those early days, CDC was saying masks were unnecessary (yet). Because the major shortage of masks and other PPE was even apparent to me in January by simply viewing what was on retail store shelves. As Dr Fauci said, back then, we did not encourage masks because too few were available for those who most needed them - doctors, nurses, etc.
That was the point of not posting. Cellar was one of my sources - to appreciate how much was known and unknown. Surprising that no one was discussing this in January or February. Apparently my news sources (that, for example, avoids all local gossip pretending to be news) tend to be more informed. Store shelves imply I was only one of many with better informed news services.
In other words, you didn't encourage us to save our own lives because you wanted to see how many of us would die.
Reading the Title of the thread and every time DJT opens his mouth the spewing of Lies, Vulgarness and Sad Soul words come to my mind.
And I believe on Covid, there is so so so much we'll never know....and I don't own a mask, distancing is what I do anyway as I'm home for a lot of years and sanitizers, never owned one. I'm fine..
Vit C, Vit D, Zinc and Grapeseed Exract are my champions. And these COULD keep everyone from contracting the virus. Just sayin...
Herculean task, that is, not contacting a single other human being for 8 months..
how do you get your groceries? Star Trek transporter?
Vit C, Vit D, Zinc and Grapeseed Exract are my champions.
Where is one fact or number that justifies any of that?
Grapeseed Extract comes from stores that science clearly exposed as scams. NY Attorney General studied everything found on shelves in GNC. 90% of those contents were not what was listed on the label. Health food stores target consumers who are always most easily scammed. Who must lie to themselves to believe 'miracle cure' lies and other conclusions only from emotions.
Apparently you have made a conclusion based only in wild speculation. Masks are not worn to protect you. Any informed adult (thinking like an adult) knows that. Masks are worn to protect Constitutional Rights of all others. Apparently you have contempt for everyone else and logical thought; do not wear a mask.
Ignorance is never an excuse. Ignorance is why one believes scams will keep one healthy. Only contempt of others explains why one would not use a mask.
Unfortunately too many adults still only use the brain of a child to make conclusions. "I feel. Therefore it must be true."
Same though process also concludes, "I ran stop signs and did not kill anyone. So that proves I can run all stop signs."
Where is even one fact or number justify those beliefs? Scams are that easily promoted who use the reptilian brain to make decisions.
Unfortunately too many adults still only use the brain of a child to make conclusions. "I feel. Therefore it must be true."
Now now, nobody... well not too many, are that vain. It's I found 3 people on the internet who agree, so it must be true. ;)
Now now, nobody... well not too many, are that vain. It's I found 3 people on the internet who agree, so it must be true. ;)
Who? UG. UT. And UTrump?
tw,
In case you haven't noticed, because you don't follow all the threads, The Cellar is closing on Dec. 31.
What will be your new endeavor when this frees up all your time.
Knitting?
Where is one fact or number that justifies any of that?
Grapeseed Extract comes from stores that science clearly exposed as scams. NY Attorney General studied everything found on shelves in GNC. 90% of those contents were not what was listed on the label. Health food stores target consumers who are always most easily scammed. Who must lie to themselves to believe 'miracle cure' lies and other conclusions only from emotions.
Apparently you have made a conclusion based only in wild speculation. Masks are not worn to protect you. Any informed adult (thinking like an adult) knows that. Masks are worn to protect Constitutional Rights of all others. Apparently you have contempt for everyone else and logical thought; do not wear a mask.
Ignorance is never an excuse. Ignorance is why one believes scams will keep one healthy. Only contempt of others explains why one would not use a mask.
Unfortunately too many adults still only use the brain of a child to make conclusions. "I feel. Therefore it must be true."
Same though process also concludes, "I ran stop signs and did not kill anyone. So that proves I can run all stop signs."
Where is even one fact or number justify those beliefs? Scams are that easily promoted who use the reptilian brain to make decisions.
And so it has come to this, I am agreeing with tw.
Truly we are living in the end times.
The Cellar is closing on Dec. 31.
It just seems everytime I turn around, somebody is retiring. A peer just told me an houre ago; no more hiking in the mountains in 6 feet of snow at 14,000 feet. He is now too old.
At least the monkey does not (yet) have gray hair.
