Ships
When it comes to being impressed by engineering, I have to confess that ships have always been pretty well down the list.
However Dad, being ex-Royal Navy, has always made a point of watching the
Mighty Ships series on Quest TV (Discovery Lite) and I now realise how much more there is to ships than meets the eye.
Consequently, the arrival of the cruise ship 'Harmony of the Seas' at Southampton this week, attracted my attention.
The Daily Mail has its shortcomings but, credit where credit is due, they excel at photo features.
World’s biggest cruise ship Harmony of the Seas rules the waves as it docks in Southampton ahead of maiden voyage.
Harmony Of The Seas is a 1,188 foot and 227,000-ton cruise ship - the newest and biggest the world has ever seen
Worth £800m, it boasts the Ultimate Abyss - the tallest slide at sea - as well as seven separate ‘neighbourhoods’
Stood on its stern the ship would soar above the Shard, the Eiffel Tower and the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai
It is 330ft longer than the Titanic, and can carry a human cargo of 8,880 including 2,100 crew from 77 countries
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The largest cruise ship in the world – measuring more than four football pitches in length with a maximum capacity for 6,780 passengers – has docked in Southampton for final preparations before its maiden voyage.
A small crowd of well-wishers, including some dressed in their pyjamas, welcomed the £800million Harmony of the Seas as it arrived just after dawn today, but tens of thousands of people are expected to visit the coastal city this week to catch a glimpse of the gigantic vessel before it carries paying customers for the first time.
After sailing from a shipyard in Saint-Nazaire, France, and spending the day yesterday cruising the English Channel, Harmony of the Seas sailed up Southampton Water and arrived at Southampton shortly after 6:15am.
It will depart on a short cruise on Sunday – a four-day taster voyage to Rotterdam, in the Netherlands – and on 29 May will make its maiden voyage to Barcelona, where it will be based for 34 seven-night tours of the western Mediterranean this summer. It will sail between Florida and the Caribbean this winter.
Royal Caribbean International’s 18-deck ship has set new records for length (1,1188ft), gross tonnage (227,000), width (215.5ft), passenger capacity (5,479 at double occupancy or a maximum of 6,780) and staterooms (2,747).
With a crew of 2,100 from 77 countries, the floating city boasts seven 'neighbourhoods', a 10-storey slide that is the tallest at sea, 23 swimming pools, 20 dining venues, 52 trees, surf simulators, robot bartenders, a casino and climbing walls.
There are more impressive photos at the
Daily Mail.Yup, it's big.
I would not want to set foot on it though. Too many damn people. Almost 9k people? Gimme a cabin on a lake. That's much better. And much lest chance of Rotavirus.
Our Mr. Carruthers has a better pic of Harmony of the Seas than Wikipedia:
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I wouldn't get on that boat...:headshake
I'd love to spend a day exploring the ship, if everybody else got off. It's fascinating from a design/build standpoint, but cruising doesn't appeal to me. That doesn't reflect poorly on people who dig that sort of thing, I can see the attraction, just not my bag. The comments at the Daily Mail were mostly negative except for some guy named Allen, defending it like an investor or travel agent.
The comments at the Daily Mail were mostly negative except for some guy named Allen, defending it like an investor or travel agent.
I heard on the radio during the night that five thousand people from the travel and tourist business are being entertained on board for three days so I think you've hit the nail on the head there!
The place I live has a population of about nine thousand so it's equivalent to the max number of souls on board this ship.
A cruise isn't something I'd volunteer for. At least I have some chance of escape here!
As of five minutes ago it's still moored in Southampton.
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Ship FinderI'd love to spend a day exploring the ship, if everybody else got off. It's fascinating from a design/build standpoint, but cruising doesn't appeal to me. That doesn't reflect poorly on people who dig that sort of thing, I can see the attraction, just not my bag. The comments at the Daily Mail were mostly negative except for some guy named Allen, defending it like an investor or travel agent.
This.
It's a marvel, and I'd love to explore it. I loved exploring the USS New Jersey with about 100 Boy Scouts a few years ago. Would have been different to be on that ship with 3,000 sailors. I'd be spending all my time just trying to get out of the way.
Hey, Harmony of the Seas...
...Gotcher nose!
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The HMS Illustrious -
FOR SALE!
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Sailboat for scale.
They're never as pretty before the make-up:
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Sailboat?
Airport for scale.
New owner could catch SOME REALLY BIG AIR from that gnarly ramp, duuuuude.
US Battleships Missouri and Iowa off Korea in 1952...
We got some spare ships, see. We need to do something with them, see. Here's what we'll do, see. We'll beat the shit out of it after towing it out to sea, see.
Here, see:
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After the halfway point of the vid, it's just a camera circling the ship, documenting damage. The Mk-48 torpedo made a mark.
Here's the story. Interesting how much damage the
USS Thach took before finally giving up the ghost
12 hours later.
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I'm guessing somebody got a big, Russian boot in they ass after this.
Cargo breaks loose from the transport ships all the time.
My first destroyer found floating cargo containers more than once. Sadly, we lacked a crane to recover them to see what was inside.
That cargo loss could have been prevented with the use of pipe stakes.
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Saw that on gCaptian the other day. Somebody is gonna be writing some big checks.
Popdigr said almost that same exact sentence.
"Somebody's gonna hafta write an awful big check."
Saw that on gCaptian the other day. Somebody is gonna be writing some big checks.
Fargon, I killed way too much time on that site, gCaptain.
Thanx.:)
Fargon, I killed way too much time on that site, gCaptain.
Thanx.:)
I get all of my maritime news from them, I signed up for the daily email years ago. Maritime Monday is always interesting the stories are historical and human interest of a nautical bent.
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Gravdigr had this in his this day in history.
Gravdigr had this in his this day in history.
Not mine,
ours.;)
Thanks for posting that, Griff.
I'd read a couple of abbreviated accounts of the disaster, but I hadn't seen that vid before.
On to other points of interest. The next Ford-class aircraft carrier is scheduled for commission in 2025.
"And Admiral, it is the Enterprise".
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One of the last color pictures of the
Edmund Fitzgerald.
all the ones after that are watercolor
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Big sisters
The world’s three largest cruise ships have sailed together for the first time off Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Royal Caribbean International’s Oasis of the Seas, Allure of the Seas and the new Harmony of the Seas came together to celebrate the arrival of the last at her permanent base of Port Everglades.
Each vessel weighs more than 225,000 tons, has a park with nearly 12,000 plants and trees as well as an 82ft zip wire and an outdoor “aqua theatre”.
I'm not comfortable with the statement that 'each vessel weighs more than 225,000 tons'. 'Weighs'?. Do they mean 'displaces'?
I'll ask Dad a bit later. He's an old sea dog and I've been barked at once this morning already. I think I'll let sleeping sea dogs lie. ;)
According to Archimedes it's the same thing.
According to Archimedes it's the same thing.
You make a good point, sir!
I think I queried it because every time mention of a ship's 'weight' is made on TV, aged Dad yells 'DISPLACEMENT'! :eek:
I must have absorbed that attitude by osmosis. ;)
word.
That's a pretty good size [strike]wooden[/strike]sail boat considering how freaking enormous the carrier is.
http://www.sailtraining.org/membervessels/vessel.php?@=218
steel hull
Is this the line for the porta john?
tarheel
Big turnout for the shuffleboard playoffs.
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I saw a video awhile back of a big ass navy ship when the anchor handler caught fire then fed chain all the way out and lost it.
It dawned on me watching this video, that brake on the anchor chair not only has to control the chain feeding out, it has to hold the ship when the wind is making it pull against the anchor. DUH. :smack:
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That's the same as BigV's.
I don't care how big they are, they're not safe from rogue waves, communicable disease, or zombie attacks.
The bigger they are, the harder they....sink?
The bigger they are, the harder they....roll over while un-drydocking?
Fixed that to reflect current events:
Indian Navy frigate flips over in dock, killing 2
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'Sposed to look like this:
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The
INS Betwa had just undergone unspecified repairs, and was being removed from dry dock when it rolled over on its side.
That first picture looks like a colorized picture from WW2. Nothing modern about it.
Nothing to it, all you need is two hands to wrap the sails and two hands to hang on. :eyebrow:
I could not agree more.
But I am even more mystified as to how the picture was taken. It doesn't look like it came from a GoPro Hero 4 or a drone or a remote MastCam (tm). There's at least one other person in this event who doesn't have a realistic sense of fear. But that might be me.
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Looks like one of the Boy Scouts was absent on knot-tying day (actually, they needed a bigger rope, I guess):
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That was strange. They had their side thrusters on but couldn't stop it. The small rope that was still attached is probably the line they pull the hawser with. The boat they hit was tied up but looked like the props were churning up a storm. :confused:
They don't build 'em like they used to.
Fast turns...
USS Gonzalez (DDG-66). 2007
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USS Harry S Truman 2013
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Came in a little hot:
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Slowest crash ever.
One of those finger in front of the lens fools. Anyway, it's Ketichan's fault for having a flimsy dock. :haha:
I've docked there, not on a cruise ship, Alaska Marine Highway vessel... it sounds windy as hell. I reckon they were blown into the dock.
anyhow, that'll buff right out.
Whoops.
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Damn, where did that iceberg come from?
At a (way out in the) country volunteer fire station playground:
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Stern of the
USS John Hancock:
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The helmsman, was he texting or watching porn? :haha:
If he's the one who spun that big fucker around, I'd he was on the job.
It prolly slewed around on its own, though.
Ya think he was hooning? :haha:
Damn newfangled driverless container ships. Next thing you know, they will let cars have no drivers!
Ran over the buoy and everything....
Well, that left a mark...
Correction, it was a Mitsubishi Ki-51 "Sonia" that hit the HMS Sussex.
Well, that left a mark...
Looks like one of my landings but at least I was able to use the aircraft again. :blush:
Aboard cruiser HMS Sussex (1945)
This recollection is from:
George Coyne of Lightwater, Surrey.
In 1945 I was serving in cruiser HMS Sussex. My ship was part of a task force (Operation Livery) in action at Phuket Island in what is now Thailand.
The Japs attacked us with suicide planes, one of which hit us and another struck and sank HMS Vestal.
She was a minesweeper and was Camberley's adopted warship.
She was the last British warship to be sunk during WW2.
There's some rather onerous conditions attached to reproducing the full text, hence the somewhat brief extract above.
WW2 People's War for the full article.
Thank you, sir!
Some more info has emerged:
26 Jul 1945
Her Task Force was attacked by 2 "Val" suicides (Mitsubishi type 99 dive-bombers): one was shot down by escort carrier Ameer and the second by Sussex.
However, this latter one bounced on the surface of the sea and impacted the cruiser's hull above the waterline, causing a 2 metre dent.
Later in the same day Sussex downed another aircraft.
Link
There is no mention of an explosion so effective anti-aircraft fire and a large slice of good luck seem to have saved the day.
Nothing like a fat slice of luck.
With sprinkles.
...bounced on the surface of the sea...
Ahh, good find, that explains a lot. :thumb:
Neighborhood bully and his gang...
Dat be da old and busted...
Dis be da new hotness:
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You see this coming atcha, you're gonna have a bad time.
:devil:
When the Wasp & Co hove into view, Tojo shook.
When the those new kids come around Kim Fatty the Third, ain't scairt. :headshake
Well yeah, but that doesn't help. People with delusions of invincibility are the most dangerous.
If Kim Fatty the Third or Tiny Hands starts shit, and are squashed like a bug 35 seconds later, that doesn't necessarily stop the shit he started. Think of the military like a huge boulder on the side of a hill with one little chock to keep it there. Some asshole pulls that chock and stopping that boulder once it's in motion is a Herculean task.
When the Wasp & Co hove into view, Tojo shook.
Tojo wasn't the Emperor.
Think of the military like a huge boulder on the side of a hill with one little chock to keep it there. Some asshole pulls that chock and stopping that boulder once it's in motion is a Herculean task.
Awesome metaphor dude.
When the those new kids come around Kim Fatty the Third, ain't scairt. :headshake
Only 'cuz he's bug nuts.
Well yeah, but that doesn't help. People with delusions of invincibility are the most dangerous.
You're disagreeing with someone agreeing with you.
I'm just saying the only reason he "ain't scairt" is "'cuz he's bug nuts". Any sane person would be scairt.
Tojo wasn't the Emperor.
Who said he was?
You're disagreeing with someone agreeing with you.
I'm just saying the only reason he "ain't scairt" is "'cuz he's bug nuts". Any sane person would be scairt.
I'm not disagreeing, I'm reiterating that makes him worse.
Who said he was?
He can crap his pants all he wants; the Emperor thinks things are great.
Similar to Kim. I expect his generals know that a war would be a disaster for them, but who's going to tell him?
But Tojo was running the government and the war, Hirohito was a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed shit.
Revealed: Viet Cong Commandos Sank a Navy Aircraft Carrier
Attack on the USNS Card
Wait, whut? Charlie sunk a carrier?:eek:
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Well,
helicopter transport.;)
Yeah but it was a sneak attack...
On 2 May 1964, while moored dockside in Saigon, a North Vietnamese frogman, Lam Son Nao, planted an explosive charge that blew a hole in the hull, killing five crewmen. (It should be noted that this event was prior to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident which led to the escalation of American involvement in Vietnam.)
USS Juneau hull was found by Paul Allen's team on St Patrick's Day, 2.6 miles below the surface of the Pacific, near Guadalcanal.
Sunk by two Jap torpedos in 1943, the Juneau is most noted for the five Sullivan brothers being among the 700 crew.
Another one of Mr Allen's discoveries.
USS Lexington: aircraft carrier scuttled in 1942 is finally found
Wreck from second world war’s Battle of the Coral Sea is located off eastern coast of Australia by search team led by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen
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Wreckage from the USS Lexington, an aircraft carrier that sank during the second world war, has been found in the Coral Sea by a search team led by the Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen.
The wreckage was found on Sunday by the team’s research vessel, the R/V Petrel, about 3,000m (two miles) below the surface and more than 500 miles (800km) off the eastern coast of Australia.
The team released pictures and video of the wreckage of the Lexington – one of the first ever US aircraft carriers – and some of the planes that went down with it.
Remarkably preserved aircraft could be seen on the seabed bearing the five-pointed star insignia of the US navy on their wings and fuselage.
On one aircraft an emblem of the cartoon character Felix the Cat can be seen along with four miniature Japanese flags presumably depicting “kills”.
The search team also released pictures and video of parts of the ship, including a nameplate and anti-aircraft guns covered in decades of slime.
The Lexington and another carrier, the USS Yorktown, fought against three Japanese aircraft carriers from 4 to 8 May 1942 in the Battle of the Coral Sea, the first ever between carriers.
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The badly damaged Lexington, nicknamed “Lady Lex”, was deliberately sunk by another US warship at the conclusion of the battle.
More than 200 members of the crew died in the battle but most were rescued by other US vessels before the Lexington was scuttled.
Admiral Harry Harris, who heads up the US military’s Pacific Command (Pacom) – and whose father was one of the sailors evacuated – paid tribute to the successful research effort.
“As the son of a survivor of the USS Lexington, I offer my congratulations to Paul Allen and the expedition crew of Research Vessel (R/V) Petrel for locating the ‘Lady Lex’, sunk nearly 76 years ago at the Battle of Coral Sea. We honor the valor and sacrifice of the ‘Lady Lex’s’ Sailors – and all those Americans who fought in World War II – by continuing to secure the freedoms they won for all of us.”
The Lexington was carrying 35 aircraft when it went down. The search team said that 11 planes had been found including Douglas TBD-1 Devastators, Douglas SBD-3 Dauntlesses and Grumman F4F-3 Wildcats.
Search teams led by Allen have discovered the wreckage of a number of historic warships including the USS Indianapolis, a US heavy cruiser that sank in the Philippine Sea in July 1945 after being torpedoed by a Japanese submarine.
The Guardian
SmithsonianHe's on a roll this month.
200 died in the battle but most were rescued before the ship was scuttled
???
some were not rescued before scuttling? I think and hope that's merely an awkwardly constructed sentence
It was scuttled because of damage sustained during the battle in which 200 were killed.
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When the water first pours in the windows, and when the deck is first awash...Those moments make my blood pressure go up a tick, or two.
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Better bigger.
There's carriers and there's carriers...
Ain't it cute?
Bless their hearts.
Nobody said it would be plane sailing.
They started out with two french jump jets and some helicopters, but couldn't afford the upkeep.
...and the jump jets kept flying backward.
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I saw this picture in a UK newspaper but with little detail of the circumstances surrounding the collision.
My first thought was how did the ferry manage to ram the container vessel amidships in broad daylight, assuming that the photo was taken soon after the collision.
I did a bit of digging and found this from the WSJ:
French maritime officials said the Tunisia registered ferry Ulysse carrying trucks, rammed on Sunday the Cyprus registered CSL Virginia, which was anchored around 15 miles off the Corsican coast.
The collision smashed a hole in the hull of one of the ships, causing the fuel leak. There were no injuries.
Anchored? How on Earth....
WSJ LinkReference points are probably misleading, even when they exist, at sea. Sort of like how a plane landing can seem to be hovering in place when seen from a car moving in just the right way. The ferry may have assumed the Virginia was moving perpendicular to their course, and would be out of the way by the time they got there.
Or they may have just fallen asleep at the wheel.
Reference points are probably misleading, even when they exist, at sea. Sort of like how a plane landing can seem to be hovering in place when seen from a car moving in just the right way.
The ferry may have assumed the Virginia was moving perpendicular to their course, and would be out of the way by the time they got there.
Thanks for your take on that, I see what you mean.
The ferry's bow is about half-way through the container ship and was still there three days later acting as a plug to keep the latter from sinking.
Trucks and passengers on board the Ulysse, captain likely in the brig.
T-bone!
T-bone!
That's his new nickname.
...there's a hole, there's a hole, there's a hole in the ship on the top of the sea.
She looks a lot like a modern High Speed Catamaran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Vulkan
High speed catamaran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_craft
Maybe that's why she was so fast 12 Knots when 10 knots was considered fast for a ship of that size.
Further to my post #108...
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Judging by the starboard anchor chain passing over the port side of the bulbous prow, the container ship has rotated somewhat in the collision.
I know little of maritime law, but I thought that there was a requirement to maintain a lookout at all times. Not that I'm suggesting negligence, you understand.
Anyway, there's likely to be a delay in collecting the next consignment of half a million Chinese plastic dog turds. (Guaranteed to break the ice at parties).
Here it is.
Position Received: 1 minute ago (2018-10-13 20:12 (UTC))
Vessel's Local Time: 2018-10-13 21:12 (UTC +1)
Area: WMED - Ligurean Sea
Latitude / Longitude: 43.2514° / 9.4762°
Status: At Anchor
Speed/Course: 0.0kn / -
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The Royal Navy’s HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier keeps a benevolent eye on Cunard’s Queen Mary 2 cruise ship off New York harbour yesterday
The Times
Seatrade Cruise News
May be a benevolent eye, but Liz has her nose turned up. :haha:
Leave her alone, her last Corgi just died.
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I saw this picture in a UK newspaper but with little detail of the circumstances surrounding the collision.
My first thought was how did the ferry manage to ram the container vessel amidships in broad daylight, assuming that the photo was taken soon after the collision.
I did a bit of digging and found this from the WSJ:
Anchored? How on Earth....
WSJ Link
Further to my post #108...
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Judging by the starboard anchor chain passing over the port side of the bulbous prow, the container ship has rotated somewhat in the collision.
I know little of maritime law, but I thought that there was a requirement to maintain a lookout at all times. Not that I'm suggesting negligence, you understand.
Anyway, there's likely to be a delay in collecting the next consignment of half a million Chinese plastic dog turds. (Guaranteed to break the ice at parties).
Here it is.
That's old news...here's some really good quality silent movie footage concerning it:
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I've looked back at that thread several times and tried to follow what happened after.
The Ulysse is a roro (rollon-rolloff) ferry that also carries passengers. I have been unable to find out how many and also wonder why there are no people in the pics.
I looked at one of the tracking sites yesterday and saw that the Ulysse was in a North African port.
The Virginia is apparently anchored off south east Greece although some of the information was contradictory.
Please forgive lack of detail but I'm not presently on my PC and this iPad doesn't lend itself to researching the finer points of the internet.
I wondered about the operation to part the two vessels and whether they were able to proceed under their own power.
Presumably neither craft was holed beneath the waterline.
Just to tidy up the loose ends...
Animation of the collision from
Automatic Identification System transmissions.
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The Tunisian roll-on/roll-off ferry Ulysse has separated from the containership CSL Virginia after the two collided Sunday in the Mediterranean Sea off Corsica.
French officials said Thursday the ships separated at about 9:30 p.m. due to the combination of wave action and previous attempts to release the vessels.
Both the Ulysse and CSL Virginia remain in the same area as responders wait until Friday day to further assess the situation.
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Excellent had a better outcome than Ulysse, but I think both captains may be looking for work.
That animation shows a double tap, I think that's a glitch.
That animation shows a double tap, I think that's a glitch.
Double tap...That's what ya get when ya go for a ride out to the pine barrens.
And I love that perfectly boat-shaped hole in the other boat.
An acquaintance of mine started his working life in the Merchant Navy so, when I saw him earlier this week, I asked had he seen reports of this incident.
A lack of lookout was the first thing he mentioned and it prompted him to relate the tale of a Greek tanker in the English Channel several decades ago.
The ship was under way but there was no response to radio calls.
It's an exceptionally busy area so the decision was made to board the vessel.
The story goes that the bridge was unmanned and the only sign of life there was a dog.
When the crew were eventually found they said there was no problem as the dog always barked when he saw another ship!
True or not? You can decide that for yourself, but just bear in mind that truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. ;)
Admission: This article is shamelessly copy/pasted from
Uncommon Reality.
The SS Warrimoo:
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The passenger steamer SS Warrimoo was quietly knifing its way through the waters of the mid-Pacific on its way from Vancouver to Australia. The navigator had just finished working out a star fix & brought the master, Captain John Phillips, the result.
The Warrimoo’s position was LAT 0º 31′ N and LON 179º 30′ W. The date was 31 December 1899. “Know what this means?” First Mate Payton broke in, “We’re only a few miles from the intersection of the Equator and the International Date Line.”
Captain Phillips was prankish enough to take full advantage of the opportunity for achieving the navigational freak of a lifetime. He called his navigators to the bridge to check & double check the ships position.
He changed course slightly so as to bear directly on his mark. Then he adjusted the engine speed. The calm weather & clear night worked in his favor.
At midnight the SS Warrimoo lay on the Equator at exactly the point where it crossed the International Date Line! The consequences of this bizarre position were many: The forward part (bow) of the ship was in the Southern Hemisphere & the middle of summer. The rear (stern) was in the Northern Hemisphere & in the middle of winter.
The date in the aft part of the ship was 31 December 1899. Forward it was 1 January 1900. This ship was therefore not only in two different days, two different months, two different years, two different seasons but in two different centuries – all at the same time.
That's pretty cool. :thumb2:
A boyt?
Man, that boyt is hung!
Support Aircraft Carrier, I thought it might be one of those early cargo ship conversions but it was brand new.
An awesome load of awesome airplanes!
The Wikipedia article on the Altamaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Altamaha_(CVE-18)
left me breathless at the travels and travails of this brave little ship and her crew.
I wonder what a ship had to do to get TWO battle stars.
The photo was taken on San Francisco Bay with more at Google images.
Thanks Bruce.
You cropped out the last parenthesis in your link, FYI.:)
The link, for you lazies.:D
Thanks, hoping for more comments.
The Altamaha was laid down 19 December 1941, Launched: 22 May 1942, commissioned 15 September 1942.
That right there is a, "no fucking around, there's a war on" schedule. :eek:
Glory Days:
There's carriers and there's carriers...
These Days:
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Hey, that there's a carrier carrier.
I wouldn't want to be in the turret when those guns go off...
I gotta say, these newer warships are pretty damn sinister-looking:
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Too much top hamper, that's like swinging anvils from the mast head.
Too much weight to high up. and that tower has too much sail area, they need to take that monstrosity down and replace it with a cage mast for the radar and satellite domes.
I think the idea is to make the radar profile smaller.
So make your mast out of a non radar reflective material, like fiber glass.
What is that, British and Australian flags?
I didn't even see the aft flag...Looks like the Oz flag to me.
That black mast may be coated with the radar absorbing stuff they use/d on stealth planes and such.
Also, radar can bounce off whatever it wants, so long as it don't bounce back the receiver, right?
Too much top hamper, that's like swinging anvils from the mast head.
Too much weight to high up. and that tower has too much sail area, they need to take that monstrosity down and replace it with a cage mast for the radar and satellite domes.
Would that depend on where the centerline of the ship (the pivot point, so-to-speak) is in relation to the mass above and/or below it?
Modern warships don't have a very deep draft (the portion below the waterline). The Coast Guard Cutter Confidence has a high superstructure and a light draft, and in a wind from the side she has trouble answering her helm. I have experienced this in Vancouver Bay BC. on our way home from Seattle. We had a beam wind from port and with the starboard propeller deep and the port propeller shallow she wouldn't turn rite or left. Because of the angle of heel she was carrying.
What's that? A cruise? Why not?
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Popdigr used to work with a guy who served on the Enterprise.
Guy name of Kirk by any chance?
Guess he didn't wear a red shirt. ;)
Guy name of Kirk by any chance?
He hadn't been born yet.
And still hasn't.
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Popdigr used to work with a guy who served on the Enterprise.
That man hated, and I mean
hated, the Japanese until the day he died.
Can't blame him, they probably killed a lot of his buddies and tried to kill him. A lot of people take that shit personally.
Yeah, my Uncle isn't good with Vietnamese. That isn't going to change 50 years in.
Can't blame him, they probably killed a lot of his buddies and tried to kill him. A lot of people take that shit personally.
Yeah, my Uncle isn't good with Vietnamese. That isn't going to change 50 years in.
When I was a kid the next door neighbour, who had served in the RAF during WW2, would not buy anything made in any of the countries of the 'other side'.
Eventually he succumbed and bought an expensive Japanese colour TV.
He was rather embarrassed by this so removed the label from his old British made TV and placed it over the manufacturer's name on the new TV.
He never bought a German car though. :)
During all the decades of the Vietnam Wars, there were Vietnamese who fought for independence and self-determination and those who partnered with the various foreign powers who controlled the country and profited from it.
It was the latter group that fled with us and now make up the range of American Vietnamese, from doctors and scientists to merchants to gang members.
The first group are still seeking to realize the old goals.
It has never been easy to know if there is a "better" one.
Yes, Lola Bunny landed in CA at the age of 3. She has been well taught what life was like there but didn't experience much of it, so I think that makes it easier to accept what comes here.
Nope.
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No wonder Popeye got such big forearms. He was holding on for dear life.
And they were not even holding a big camera like the photographer on the spit.
Damn.
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Billy Mayes here for OxyClean...
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:D
...helluva storm, helluva storm.
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USS Independence
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Did Captain Nemo come ashore?
No, he flushed it down the head wrapped in a Man-Sized Kleenex.
Is that one of them there light-ships?
That's an interesting picture.
USS Arizona and the Brooklyn Bridge...
The Arizona must have been an older ship with those tall towers.
I don't remember seeing them before and Wikipedia tells me they are "lattice masts,"phased out before WWII.
USS Arizona
Length: 608′
Construction started: March 16, 1914
Launched: June 19, 1915
Weight: 29,630 tons
Cost: $16,000,000
Builder: Brooklyn Navy Yard
So it was probably designed around 1912.
That's $402 million 2019 dollars.
Big bada boom:
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Ship-sized ship on the left, for size comparison.
Maybe a perspective thing. Maybe.
Oh, ship!
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Almost capsized.
Gotta hate it when that happens.
I can't find another photo of that event.
French liner Normandie seized by the US, caught fire while being converted to the USS Lafayette, then capsized.
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The Swedish destroyer HSwMS Småland in one of the underground docks in Muskö naval base (1960).
Honk the horn, honk the horn. :haha:
And the photographer just happened to be passing by and snapped this picture, luckily he was holding his phone horizontal. :rolleyes:
1911 – An explosion of badly degraded propellant charges on board the French battleship Liberté detonates the forward ammunition magazines and destroys the ship.
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from
Wiki
The explosion hurled a 37-metric-ton (36-long-ton; 41-short-ton) chunk of armor plate from the ship into the battleship République moored some 210 m (690 ft) away, which caused significant damage. Splinters from the exploding ship sank a steam pinnace and killed fifteen men aboard the armored cruiser Marseillaise, nine aboard the battleship Saint Louis, six aboard the armored cruiser Leon Gambetta, four aboard the battleship Suffren, and three aboard Démocratie.
Shhh, be very quiet, the Captain's sleeping...
Big boat = big mess
...and infamy for ol' Capt. Joe.
And they gave him another ship.
USS Shangri-La, circa 1962...
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Evidently the Great Lakes are hard on ships, especially overloaded ships.
Yes, and capsizing. Don't worry Griff, it's too buried here to matter. :yesnod:
Call it Boats Don't Bend.
The Edmund Fitzgerald found that out along with the likelihood of an over-bold
captain.
https://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/fitz.htmlAnd if it hadn't....
....we wouldn't have that awesome song.
Without death life has no context, no meaning. Gordon Lightfoot gets it.
That's why life can be enhanced by doing risky things like saying, No dear.
Two Carnival cruise liners recently collided, a tiny bit. I'm unarseable to Google it, but you could..
It's been posted, Gravdigr I think.
Wai-who--Gravwhutnow?
It's been posted, Gravdigr I think.
Not lately. I think he prolly meant something fairly recent.
Whaddya know, Bruce was right.
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That was two ships in close proximity, but, don't forget the third ship, the one the video was shot from.
Couldn't remember where... :smack:
Watching the big boats crash is like slow motion disaster...
...gonna need a bigger boat...
Got one.
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Also, the vid I posted in post #211 was most likely shot from the dock mentioned in the vid title, and not from another ship.
I mention this cuz I can't believe Sexobon didn't correct me. He must be slipping.
That picture in post #215 is very impressive. I must have seen it on my phone when I saw it the first time, and it didn't do it justice.
Kinda reminds me of the opening scene from the original Star Wars.
Nope, the camera was bouncing around like it was on a ship and just before the end it shows what sure looks like a ship. Some asshole a thousand miles away wrote that over the top.
Some asshole a thousand miles away wrote that over the top.
And some asshole in KY bought it.:smack:
Apologies to Sexobon.
It was likely in the port just not at the dock. Although come to think of it, the camera ship might have been docked on the other side. But three of those monster ships playing musical chairs is scary.
Smugglers' worst nightmare:
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