Politics is a thing.

People can talk about politics for a long time, and the issue never gets quite settled. Once upon a time... people wrote a 47-page thread about Mitt Romney. A couple of years later, they haven't posted the words "Bernie Sanders" in over a month. Are there any people at this place anymore?

I heard a rumor that the New York primaries are on this very day. Has anyone else heard about that?

My son's girlfriend shook Bernie's hand a couple weeks ago. You want me to see if she'll send you a picture of her hand?

Yes, but not for that reason.

OMG! She did it! Just for you! I'm so happy for you!

lumberjim;957914 wrote:

My son's girlfriend shook Bernie's hand a couple weeks ago. You want me to see if she'll send you a picture of her hand?

Flint;957915 wrote:

Yes, but not for that reason.

:lol2:

"You got a purty hand."[/carlchilders]

Flint;957912 wrote:

... I heard a rumor that the New York primaries are on this very day. Has anyone else heard about that?

Ferd Sheed: What's this about?

Other Ferd Sheed: Some question. It's supposed to generate discussion.

Ferd Sheed: I'm not gonna answer it--you answer it.

Other Ferd Sheed: Let's get tw!

Ferd Sheed: Yeah.

Other Ferd Sheed: He won't ignore it ... he answers everything.

My brother is a big Bernie fan, and is living in NY right now. But he also won't go volunteer or do anything about it except argue with people on Facebook about how awful Hillary is.

Me, I care, but I live in a shitty state that won't matter in the general. I voted for Bernie in the Dem primary, that's the most I could do.

I'm afraid Bernie would be another Jimmy Carter. I'm also afraid trump would be another Richard Nixon. :(

For the first time in my life, I don't think I'm gonna vote. The stage is set. The game is fixed. Hillary was chosen back when she through her support behind a young black upstart. Heck, Ferd Sheed or Rint Flice could have beaten any R running in '08. The elites need the Clinton machine now far more than they did then.

Bernie for Vice President?

xoxoxoBruce;957956 wrote:

Bernie for Vice President?

He needs to be back in the Senate holding their feet to the fire. We're looking at a failed Presidency and I wonder about a failed state eventually. We become assholes when we talk about politics, almost by design. We're going to have to all start engaging with our government. Find a policy area you care about and work the system.

Otherwise

It's beginning to look a lot like Russia,
everywhere you go.
Take a look in the Wally World, selling throw away crap to plebes
With Chinese pants and toxic treats aglow.

It's beginning to look a lot like Russia,
prisons from coast to coast,
lighting up criminals like toast, street cameras to record your every flaw
The thieving oligarchs large and in charge.

messy but you get the point

xoxoxoBruce;957956 wrote:

Bernie for Vice President?

Griff;957966 wrote:

He needs to be back in the Senate holding their feet to the fire.

What if any reasonable proposal in congress would result in gridlock, anyway? Could someone making an attempt to nudge American politics a few degrees back from the far-right leaning course it's been on since the 1980s possibly make more of a contribution to society by having a national spotlight to change the dialogue?

Doesn't Bernie need to hold the Executive Branch's feet to the fire, so that all of the left-leaning concessions Clinton has made as campaign promises (and we all know the value of those) might actually continue forward as ideas that are being talked about, past the primary season?

Maybe so but people tend to disappear in the Vice Presidency. I don't suspect HRC will be listening to her Vice President in any case.

Yes, but he'd have access to TV cameras, and maybe, just maybe he could maintain people's interest, that he's been able to generate for the lifelong issues he's been advocating. Man, it's all wishful thinking at this point.

I hear ya.

Flint;958002 wrote:

Doesn't Bernie need to hold the Executive Branch's feet to the fire, so that ...

Bernie is playing people as fools using the same techniques that Trump and Cruz are using. He promoted soundbytes that appeal to all. But view the details. That means each proposal must take pages of text to understand. What he says is not only impossible. In many cases, it would even destroy jobs and enrich the rich.

Most of us do not grasp or demand details (always demand numbers). Most of us only hear soundbytes that also proved cigarette improve health and that Saddam has WMDs to threaten America. In both cases, only a minority (the educated) knew otherwise.

Why is suggesting that America join the 21st Century, and get on board with the standard of living that is experienced in virtually every other civilized nation of the world viewed as an impossible dream? What is, in people's minds, outweighing the preponderance of evidence that this is not only possible, but practically ubiquitous --for everyone else except America, the "best" country?

The Republican congress is what makes it impossible.

Except for its permanent underclass, the standard of living in the US is higher than virtually every other civilized nation.




"job complete"

That's true of virtually every civilized nation.

ie, things are great if you ignore the underclass.

"job complete"

Not sure what qualifies as "virtually other" but... a (completely unscientific) average of different methodologies for determining our ranking (as determined by 5-10 minutes of Googling) has us at about 10.43rd place.

I haven't done any serious research into this. Is there a consensus among some group of experts that we should trust as having the right answer?

You could always go with the most prolific meme posters on FB.

BigV;958193 wrote:

You could always go with the most prolific meme posters on FB.

I was just thinking, we streamline the nomination process by selecting whoever has the most "Likes" on FB.

One of the reasons those other civilized nations are living large, is we've spent so much blood and treasure playing world cop so they could use their resources for better things. This has had a secondary effect of promoting the military industrial complex employing a lot of voters who wish to perpetuated it, along with the paranoids who feel we need it more than safe infrastructure.