Which one of you cowards is Ferd Sheed?
Bold move, blocking me from being able to comment on your "hilarious" racist, homophobic FB posts. Here's a pro-tip for being human: if I wasn't interested in hearing dissenting opinions, if I wanted to shelter myself in a false world where everybody always agreed with me, I'd block people like you from my feed. But that's not what I believe --I believe we can learn by interacting with those we disagree with. Key word being INTERACT. Actually acknowledging that these people exist and being willing to engage in a dialogue with them. If you can't tolerate that other opinions exist, or like Ferd Sheed, the cowardly lion, simply refuse to be exposed to them, then you suck as a human being.
Please turn off your computer and never return to the internet.
Facebook, as you well know, is a world class enabling technology for creating and perfecting one's own custom echo chamber.
It's a self-selecting, confirmation bias-reinforcing, tautological rabbit hole.
If you know that going in, you have a chance of getting out. Otherwise....
Meet new people on the Cellar!
Then exclusively interact with them on Facebook, until you have a disagreement, and then come BACK to the Cellar specifically to express your disagreement. Right.
It's not really fair to us. But you did figure out that you can't have honest conversations and disagreements on Facebook.
I'm Ferd Sheed!
Sent by thought transference
I'm Larry Sheed. This is my fellow dweller Ferd Sheed and my other fellow dweller Ferd Sheed.
People that post political rants on Facebook are cunts.
You like Fred. Fred is cool. This thread is cunty.
I'm Ferd's brother, Spartacus Scheid!
you can probably get antibiotics for that
People that post political rants on Facebook are cunts.
You like Fred. Fred is cool. This thread is cunty.
I like Fred. Fred is cool.
I like Flint. Flint is cool.
Facebook politics are ok in very small doses. Flint's been political on FB lately because they just had primaries, so I've been giving him a pass. I had to hide Fred on FB, even though I like him, because he was and apparently still is reposting way too much political stuff all the time.
What I like on FB is for you to tell me what you are doing. Share some pictures of your life. If you feel really strongly about something, tell me about it in your own words. If you can't do that, then it means you haven't given it enough thought and don't know what you are talking about. Don't forward somebody else's propaganda. Propaganda is stupid.
Peace out.
I'm getting flashbacks
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Hahahahahahaha. Oh my - everybody watched that!
cough cough... maybe not every everybody. :rolleyes:
Flint , if you dont like what he has to say Dont read it , simple
Flint's not been back for the thread.
Getting an answer is not the important part
Honest confrontation is not the important part
Politics is sports and someone had the wrong color jersey in Flint's tailgate
There had to be a manly show us your guns moment
It's all about flint, as always. :rolleyes:
Now I have to watch another Brit TV show. "Which one of you bitches is my mother?"
Flint's not been back for the thread. ...
... There had to be a manly show us your guns moment
The poor devil. He's not getting laid and all that pent-up energy has to find an outlet. It's an early symptom of DSB (Deadly Semen Backup). By now he's probably in the advanced stages and experiencing white outs; so, he can't see his keyboard and monitor long enough to reply. Maybe we should bring back the Tip Mug to buy him a hooker before it's too late.
This thread title says we are all cowards, and asks which of us is Fred. That's what makes it cunty.
Not necessarily. He could be thinking of only two that he considers to be cowards and asking which one is Fred.
I suppose that would leave us with a Fred and a Faux Fred.
Bacefook sucks. It is that simple. Aside from missing my younger brother's apparent comedic genius that people stop me on the street to tell me about, and the family news I miss out on because no one just talks anymore, I don't miss it. The rest is about politics and people's beautiful lives and children made of solid gold. Phony pernetified. I made that word up. I should go post it on Bacefook.
On the other hand, it wasn't cool for plthy to block flint, either. If they are your friend you should allow it. If you're not willing to have people in your threads, you should unfriend them. That's just my opinion.
Zippy said,
Flint , if you dont like what he has to say Dont read it , simple
But it was plt who blocked flint so that advice goes t'other direction
Now I wish plt was here to chat about this and defend his fuckin self
Or flint and faux flint.
I like that people who get carried away with the politics thing can do so on Facebook. There, I can safely ignore them without being offensive and -if I so choose- unhide their posts if and when they ever get over themselves/the election is over. In the meanwhile they can continue to read and comment on what I post if they so choose. Or put me on quiet too, if they choose. I employ the same tactics for people who facebook drunk and decide to reply to everything on their wall, and people who discover lolcats for the first time
And.... I am a coward. I have absolutely no intention of doing anything to get over my fear of dogs or investigating/cleaning up anything that looks like the cat threw it up.
This thread title says we are all cowards, and asks which of us is Fred. That's what makes it cunty.
Not necessarily. He could be thinking of only two that he considers to be cowards and asking which one is Fred.
This ambiguity could have been Sheed?" Unless he was calling us all cowards, in which case cunty as charged.
... Phony pernetified. I made that word up. I should go post it on Bacefook.
Don't forget to put it in Dana's
Cellar Glossary thread.
Oh and this could have been a GREAT thread if it had been done on April 1st. Timing is everything.
maybe it is a little slow in phl1nt's phacebuk land and it IS April 1st?
People that post political rants on Facebook are cunts.
Wow ... Really? Guess I know where I stand with you.
Again, why bacefook sucks. PittIng friends against friends . smh
First time i've seen this, a dwellar called me to let me know about this thread because I hadn't seen it yet.
Quite simple really, don't like what I post? (and Glatt, i'm working on the polly thing and trying to tone it down and post more just plain laughable shit but small steps you know :rolleyes:) anyway, Flint, I did NOT block you and in fact, when i saw the thread i was at the astros game and was more into that than the post. I found it funny, you found it offensive. move on sir. I could care less if you want to dress like a female, suck a big (or small) cock. I find this recent crap just that, crap. I can see it both ways where people don't want their kids (daughters specifically) in a public restroom with another man. I can see where there are those who could give two shits about it too.
just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion and are not "tolerant" of it does NOT make it ok for you to do the exact same thing to them. ie, not being respectful or tolerant of their beliefs. anyway, gotta go, there are Trump meme's to attend to!!
(coming up on 9 months sober in 12 days!)
and just like a few others said here "I am Ferd Sheed." take a chill pill, relax, maybe masturbate 1 - 5 times and laugh some man, don't take everything so seriously.
by the way, the responses in this thread are funny as shit!
you bastard! My shit was last funny on 9/11
did he try to reply to the original and not the shared version?
Well, Ferd, the least you could do now is use his real life full name in the thread. Fair game and all that
you bastard! My shit was last funny on 9/11
oops!!! my bad!! :D ;) :p:
did he try to reply to the original and not the shared version?
Well, Ferd, the least you could do now is use his real life full name in the thread. Fair game and all that
not really sure what happened, i went back to look a bit ago and couldn't find it. to be honest, i have a few meme posts about it and it could have been a sub comment by someone that got deleted. damnifiknow. oh you mean Flint Ricardo? gotcha
would be nice though if that was edited out. i'll remove his when mine is gone.
Bacefook turns people into petulant teenagers.
Facebook is fucking toxic.
I don't care, I'm still Spartacus Scheid.
Wow ... Really? Guess I know where I stand with you.
You've got one foot in the political vagina. But your actions speak louder. I respect the hell out of what you do and what you've been through. Therefore, I pronounce you, Not a cunt.
I told flint last night to defend his fuckin' self in the thread, but he said he was at a BBQ.
Priorities.
Now let's see what happens when I post the thread to his wall instead of to his messages.
In retrospect I can see that using full names was not the best choice. My apologies for this, I really hadn’t considered whether this would be a problem. Moderators, please remove all full names.
However, I don’t apologize for anything else from the original post. To repeat, in brief: I enjoy reading alternate viewpoints on social media, and welcome a healthy, spirited discussion. I believe that any ‘blocking’ or ‘deleting’ of opposing viewpoints indicates a lack of respect for the free exchange of ideas, and reinforces the ideological confirmation bias which is creating a falsely polarized representation of the American political climate. I personally find this distasteful, to a degree which necessitates strong language. I’m not sorry for this, and I’d do it again.
fine by me on removing the names, and again, I did NOT delete or block anything or anyone. If anything the person that made the comment to which you commented on may have deleted it. I do not know. All I do know is I did not delete anything, Feel free to leave me the hell alone, your views will not change mine. ever.
Someone on my youngest niece's friend list posted a really nasty, reactionary, downright racist, anti-immigration poster on their timeline, my niece reposted it with comment, except the comment didn't go in, for some reason, and instead she accidentally, randomly posted a racist poster on her own timeline ;p
To protect the cunty?
* sorry - I have no actual opinion on the cuntiness, or lack thereof of the protagonists in this little bacefuck dramedy - I just thought it was funny.
It was an awesome BBQ.
Was there brisket?
Did you hear the adult joke about the BBQ?
It was a little Briské
I'll get my coat
Bacefook sucks. It is that simple. Aside from missing my younger brother's apparent comedic genius that people stop me on the street to tell me about, and the family news I miss out on because no one just talks anymore, I don't miss it. The rest is about politics and people's beautiful lives and children made of solid gold. Phony pernetified. I made that word up. I should go post it on Bacefook.
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... your views will not change mine. ever.
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I unfriended Flint. He'll still have to come here, if he wants to complain at me, and about me, at the same time.
~ because people love it when you do that to them ~
as for the rest of it
one day i realized that nobody asked for my opinion in the first place
so now, i try to not give an opinion unless asked in earnest
and i try not to give opinions about things I am not informed about
it is VERY hard. and self-editing is ruinous.
I try to keep the word 'should' out of my mouth.
I unfriended Flint..........
I try not to do that but in this case I just might do that as well. I don't mind
what he did, I mind the way he did it. That was pretty fucked up in my book.
I try to keep the word 'should' out of my mouth.
grasshopper here is still working on that one master
I thought this was another clone thread. Then I remembered that the names were changed... Thread title as well.
Does bacefook have anything comparable to being sent to Coventry so you can continue draining energy from undesirables and make the world a better place for others? Anyone? Anyone?
I welcome your contempt.
I don't expect to change the opinions of trans-phobic bigots, but I will point out any logical fallacies in the trite, disingenuous memes they post. Unless of course, they block me from being able to comment on their posts, like F**d S***d the cowardly bigot did, and then lied about not doing. Unfriending me is what F**d should have done in the first place--although I will point out that I never felt the need to unfriend F**d. You see, like I keep saying, I think that a free, unfettered exchange of ideas--especially when people disagree--is really a great thing.
I haven't been on FB for that long, but I'm noticing that people can use the settings to curate a false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them. I'm now aware that having a fairly Moderated site is quite a luxury.
Limey is still F*** Sch*** in post 8.
It was an awesome BBQ.
Was there brisket?
Since I'm now living in the Pacific NW, I'm a little unclear on the geographical boundaries of the strict use of the term barbecue. Technically, this was not a BBQ, we grilled. It was excellent, and the weather was beautiful. Good times. Also, there were two trans people there and nobody got raped in the bathroom, whether or not F**d believes this is possible.
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I haven't been on FB for that long, but I'm noticing that people can use the settings to curate a false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them. I'm now aware that having a fairly Moderated site is quite a luxury.
See post number two of this thread.
I don't expect to change the opinions of trans-phobic bigots, but I will point out any logical fallacies in the trite, disingenuous memes they post. Unless of course, they block me from being able to comment on their posts
In real life, when people come up to you and say things you figure are wrong, do you say:
"You're an asshole, but you're also wrong. Since I'm smarter than you, let me explain why you're wrong."
If you said that to anyone. ANYONE. In "real life". What would you expect to have happen?
If someone said that to YOU. What would you do? What if it was a stranger? What if it was an acquaintance? What if it was a friend?
I'm noticing that people can use the settings to curate a false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them
The Cellar was DESIGNED to be the discussion you wanted. That was my original intent; free range discussion. For years it worked that way. It has now stopped being that, because as social media bloomed, people found they could go elsewhere and curate their false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them.
All political people have now left the Cellar because they got pushback and found it uncomfortable. It happened from the right. It happened from the left.
This is where we are today. And now, as what I find to be a final insult, you have used the Cellar, not to HAVE that discussion, but
to yell at other people for not having that discussion ELSEWHERE.Technically, this was not a BBQ, we grilled.
I had figured this, and it was part of my outrage. You can put me off if you're at a BBQ. If it's dogs on a Weber, you can go to the bathroom and answer the post on your phone. Or just do it while sitting there, with your horribly overcooked burger and slice of processed cheese product.
there were two trans people there and nobody got raped in the bathroom
~ ETA Were many political and social positions and types represented at this event? Bubbles aren't just for social media. You moved into one. On purpose. ~
The Cellar was co-founded by a trans person. (In a cellar.)
Dang, you seem pretty pissed, dude. I'm sorry that it feels like I am part of a trend that (rightly) upsets you. Honestly I'm pretty new to FB, and most of the time I've been away from the Cellar I wasn't posting anywhere. I've made a conscious effort to post more on FB the last few years, to keep up with family back home. I don't think I've ever posted anything political on FB until this current primary season. That's all this is.
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All political people have now left the Cellar because they got pushback and found it uncomfortable. It happened from the right. It happened from the left.
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Tap tap tap... Is this thing on??
O the irony, UT must have put me on Ignore.
I had figured this, and it was part of my outrage. You can put me off if you're at a BBQ. If it's dogs on a Weber, you can go to the bathroom and answer the post on your phone. Or just do it while sitting there, with your horribly overcooked burger and slice of processed cheese product.
You want to know where I was that night? I was at a dear friend's house celebrating the anniversary of moving back in after a house fire. We were sitting outside enjoying the beautiful sunshine after a long rainy season, grilling some
gourmet-ƒucking-quality food and having real-life conversations, actually in person, when you FB messaged to harass me about this thread, which I fully intended to get back to on Monday when I was at a proper keyboard, which I did. Jesus.
You may know the semantic difference between BBQ and grilling
But now, to fully comprehend my post, and understand its mild humor, you will need to have BBQ.
shitty tough meat BBQd > gourmet food grilled
But being awesome never gets old. Bring it on, low-key haters.
I don't like learning new things. My father and my father's father had a meaning for barbecue which is eternally going to be the correct one, regardless of any new experiences or information that tries to burrow its way into my thick, impenetrable skull. I will put my fingers in my ears and go, "La La La" if necessary.
But being awesome never gets old. Bring it on, low-key haters.
Is this you being awesome then? Cuz it doesn't seem very awesome.
I don't like politics for just this reason. It turns people I like into cocksuckers. don't turn into a cocksucker, Flint. I want to still like you.
Oh, it's nothing to do with politics. I don't like bigots.
Bigots who hide behind politics or religion deserve to be publicly shamed. It's the right thing to do. We, as a people, need to call that behavior out and say, "Not OK." I think that's very awesome. Being on the right side of history is probably the most awesome thing we can do in our short lifetime.
Oh, it seemed like your angst was derived from what you thought he did with respect to blocking posts or something
That too. Don't like chickenshits either.
Why are you acting like you don't remember that I was always like this?
I guess I it's been too long. Why don't you stick around more. This kind of shit generates more involvement from the lookie lous too
Limey is still F*** Sch*** in post 8.
Thank you I******* M***** for remembering that my post #9 made no sense with post #8 left like that. :D
Being on the right side of history is just picking the winning side, because the winners write history without regard for truth. The winners and losers will pass on to their decedents that they were in the right, making a permanent division on that topic. That's why there are still people claiming the masters and slaves were bros, who hung out on the veranda together after work. There are probably a few people who believe we shouldn't have gotten into either world war.. but probably most of them are German though.
Fred messaged me he isn't going to even lurk anymore so thanks for that, flint. But it's kind of unfair because he was already pretty inactive for some time.
And, this is how it works now.
You did a greeeeat job of bursting the bubble and figuring out how to have a productive political dialogue
Produce more converts by insulting the fuck out of them, nice movement you got going
Being on the right side of history is just picking the winning side, because the winners write history without regard for truth. The winners and losers will pass on to their decedents that they were in the right, making a permanent division on that topic. That's why there are still people claiming the masters and slaves were bros, who hung out on the veranda together after work. There are probably a few people who believe we shouldn't have gotten into either world war.. but probably most of them are German though.
Ask anyone in China. Tank man at Tienanmen Square never happened.
... your views will not change mine. ever.
That's the definition of closed minded.
just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion and are not "tolerant" of it does NOT make it ok for you to do the exact same thing to them. ie, not being respectful or tolerant of their beliefs. anyway, gotta go, there are Trump meme's to attend to!!
Too bad he's not around anymore to explain this.
I get the two wrongs don't make a right, but this sounds really close to the selective support for rules that I've been hearing from Drumph.
Not OK for you to do the EXACT SAME thing as I did to you... :facepalm:
Not really the same impact as "I was wrong to do that, I'm sorry."
That's the definition of closed minded.
i bid a farewell, for now, never say never, with this and I will not go into anymore detail than what I am about to say.
to the above quote, close minded? not in this case. Through personal experience that has happened to me in my younger years I will not ever be tolerant of the opposite sex in any bathroom. this is an example of one person ruining the party for everyone, so to speak. If it keeps even just one child from having to go through the experience of during and after said situation, by all means i'm for it. case closed for me.
good day.
When someone has a position they want to broadcast through meme after meme, day after day, they damn well better be able to defend that position in their own words. Meme propaganda invites an equally snarky response. That’s not how you start a discussion. If, the first time they encounter pushback, their response is to block people from engaging with them, then they clearly don’t want a discussion.
I don't know, but I'm suspicious that most of the people passing along memes do it because they find them more funny or clever than they could dream up. It may not be pushing their personal agenda. Granted repeated memes on the same topic looks suspiciously personal, the problem is you never get the reasoning behind that position.
On the bathroom thing I'm undecided. The trans population is awfully small from what I've seen/heard. Is making public restrooms more comfortable for them, worth giving carte blanche to a much larger population of perverts? Those unintended consequences are murder.
On the bathroom thing I'm undecided. The trans population is awfully small from what I've seen/heard. Is making public restrooms more comfortable for them, worth giving carte blanche to a much larger population of perverts? Those unintended consequences are murder.
Bruce, if I were The Onion, the headline would be "straight, white male perverts used as excuse by straight, white male bigots to discriminate against trans people"
*If the problem were
gay male rapists, they could have already done that in the men's room, like discrimination against gay people using straight people's bathrooms claimed they would, but never did.
*If the problem were
black male rapists they could have already done that in the men's room, like discrimination against
black people using white people's bathrooms claimed they would, but never did.
Using bathroom laws, and rape-scare tactics, to discriminate against minority groups, is
not a new thing.How do you tell if a man is gay or a rapist? How do you tell if a Black man is a rapist and who is he raping in the men's room? Those herrings aren't even pink.
Nobody's saying go shit in the woods, public restrooms are for everyone as they have been... except in the south. However the question remains, is it worth allowing the perverts to double their territory, to make a very small group more comfortable in the rest room? Should anyone be comfortable in a public restroom?
I can see pros and cons, and because it doesn't affect me, I don't have personal bias to sway me. That makes it difficult to decide whether noble or practical is more important.
Personally, my prostate wouldn't wait in line at the ladies room. :haha:
How do you tell if ...
How do you tell if a trans person is using the restroom?
Still waiting for an explanation of the reasoning behind this epic flaw in "thinking things through."
If a person has a dress and a beard it's a pretty good bet. If they pass for a man or woman, then it's not a problem and it doesn't matter what the law is.
So the problem you're characterizing here is that many people think that they do not know any trans folks. It's the same excuse that allowed passive racism to flourish under segregation, "Not knowing any better." The problem is that people do know trans people, they just don't know they know them, nor realize that they'd probably look a hell of a lot more unusual if they were dressed as their birth gender. Why don't people know that they're trans? Because they're hiding in the shadows of society, because they're afraid of getting the shit beat out of them by bigots who hate anyone different than themselves.
Don't put words in my mouth. I said it doesn't affect ME. I will continue to use the same as I always have. Noble or practical is my choice, because of that.
Didn't intend to put words in your mouth, I think we have a misunderstanding. When you said "dress and a beard" I assume you're joking--I assume you understand we're not talking about "cross dressers" as if from a Monty Python sketch. The problem I meant to say your joke (I assumed) referred to is if people really thought that is what we're talking about, because they're unfamiliar with what trans people actually are. Now that I look at it, that's a lot of assumptions, so let's say I made an "ass of me" and I apologize.
Why don't people know that they're trans? Because they're hiding in the shadows of society, because they're afraid of getting the shit beat out of them by bigots who hate anyone different than themselves.
I'm like, kinda sorta with you on one hand, and on the other hand
look at flint so CUTE with his new toy! But MAN the thing I hate the most is when lefties assume both the moral high ground *and* faux expertise about an issue.
"Trans" now having been painted with this super-broad brush ("people being BULLIED!"), because it fits the notion of
anti-trans is just like racism!, now suddenly
NOT! WE ARE NOT talking about "cross dressers" as if from a Monty Python sketch.
Wait, why not? "trans" accounts for a very wide description of people, some of whom are exactly like you describe and being bullied, and others who are:
Mike who likes to wear something frilly on Saturday night and is perfectly content with that level of crossover, would not go further;
Liza who has had the surgery and has lived as a woman for 25 years; and now considers herself a woman, not a trans, and is frankly way more concerned about women's issues;
Martine who is a woman, lesbian and doesn't actually think of herself as trans, but looks so masculine that she is regularly considered trans and doesn't mind the label if she can use men's accoutrements;
Jane, bio male who lives as a woman, and black-markets what she thinks are the right steroids from Canada, but intends to never get the surgery. If you tell her she's not passing, ever, at all, she will be VERY angry.
George who is a "cross dresser" as in a Monty Python sketch. Does it for fun. May enjoy it too much, he's not saying.
Jennifer, who first thought she was George, then thought she was Mike, then thought she was Jane, and is now Liza.
(I have known them all.)
Oh, hey yeah there's tons of nuance. It's not a contest, though, the point is that if the source of well-meaning but passively trans-phobic people's issues are lack of familiarity with who we're talking about, by design because society at large feels icky about discussing it, and the minority group themselves are statistically, astronomically more likely to face violence because of openly being who they are, then even my pseudo-progressive, privileged cis-splaining of the issue, ham-handed though it may be, it still better than keeping quiet and passively participating in the false reality of binary genders.
It was an attempt at humor, a trans would surely shave. But my point is if they can pass for male or female, there won't be a problem regardless of the law. It's only if they cause trouble, or make a scene, would the law be brought into it.
Reminds me of the problem of cops pulling someone over and getting hit by a car going by. The driver couldn't be prosecuted for an accident unless they could prove some violation. So many states passed laws that if you see a cop with someone pulled over, you have to get out of that right lane, or if you can't, crawl by. It won't change much but if a cop gets hit they can now charge the driver with that new law.
Now if a trans goes in the ladies room, and on closer inspection, voice, hanging out rather than going in a stall then leaving, and obviously appears male, then all the ladies feel uncomfortable. Now we've traded one person being uncomfortable for several being uncomfortable. That's where noble vs practical comes in my mind.
Bruce, you often bring a perspective to things that feels honestly a little out of left field to me at first, but--usually--I can come around to at least halfway understanding or agreeing with. Sometimes I think you have side points that are barely related to the subject, but that's cool, because I think it's awesome that people come at thing from different angles. In this case, I hear what you're saying, but really, do you really think the intent of these laws isn't just to stir up unnecessary confrontations regarding an issue that wouldn't have been an issue (in exactly the way you're describing it not being an issue!) if they simply hadn't felt the need to pass the goddamned inflammatory law in the first place? Really, the whole thing is epic shit-stirring, and ultimately will result in a national dialogue where we decide, once again, that people who aren't bigots don't like bigots, and won't tolerate regressive laws based on hatred of minority groups.
Oh and props to UT, because "some of his best friends are trans" :stickpoke
When you take into account the cost of the studies and plans and legal crap, it'd probably be a lot cheaper in the long run to have several single stall restrooms with handwashing facilities inside opening into a public area. Or separate restrooms for kids only. Consider this; There are women who lure kids away for the sexual pleasure of men. Myra Hindley. There are juveniles who kill young kids. Jamie Bulger. the world is fucked up. Are the kids not already at the same risk? Parents, look after your kids. If the bathrooms are unigender, you can go in with them. if you're not there and you don't think it's safe ....why aren't you there?
No I don't think it was shit stirring although the political arena being what it is, that's possible.
But if any man goes into the ladies room, what can they do about it other than harass him? What can they charge him with if he doesn't do anything in there. They can't even charge him with trespassing in a public rest room. With this law about natural born gender they have a tool to punish him.
That's just my reasoning on this law, as I don't think it would prevent anything, just give them a tool if someone's a problem. But I'm aware of unintended consequences and seemingly harmless laws passed today, can come back to bite us all tomorrow.
I haven't heard what the lawmakers stated reasons were, some bullshit excuse to cover the real intent? Harass trans people? Garner bigot votes? I'm not privy to their motives.
"some of his best friends are trans"
earlier
many people think that they do not know any trans folks
ya dumb jagoff. :jagoff:
So ARE we talking about crossdressers, or are we not? Who gets included in the cut, and why?
You lost me. What thing that you are saying I am saying am I supposed to be responding to?
There are lots of possibilities, but for the sake of this thread, who is "Trans" enough to get to go in a women's restroom?
Why don't you tell me what you think my position is.
That was weird. Are we reading different threads?
Anyway that was cool how UT berated me for not having a political discussion in his sandbox, then we were having one, then he awesomely shut it down with his superior perspective, which he totally slammed my dumb, inferior perspective with, which totally isn't the asshole thing he was accusing me of to begin with.
Are you trolling me?
I don't troll.
I'm said when I heard this was happening, I didn't hear a reason why from the people doing it, so I had to make up a logical reason and related what it was.
Really no different from all the people who are speculating on the motive, and predicting dire consequences, except they're doing it with gusto.
Hmm, ok. Well thanks for sharing. I'll think on it.
What worries me most about this proposed law is this:
The potential dangers of men going into a female bathroom (which, lets face it is what this is about - I don't think the people passing the law give much of a shit about women going into a men's bathroom) and using the legal right of trans women to use that bathroom as somehow a cover for their nefarious attempts to peep on or attack women seems pretty low to me. I don't have any figures to hand, but I imagine that the number of such incidents would be vanishingly small.
On the other hand, the danger to a transwoman who is in the process of transitioning, or has transitioned and doesn't 'pass' as female to others, of going into a male bathroom whilst dressed and presenting as female seems pretty clear to me. The number of incidents of transwomen having the shit beaten out of them by people who find their gender non-comformity fundamentally and personally threatening, when taken as a percentage of the trans population is frighteningly high.
Legally obliging transwomen to use male bathrooms would, in my opinion, force them to either: run a very dangerous gauntlet in a purely male environment which could well end up with them being assaulted and seriously injured, or not use public restrooms at all.
[eta] to clarify: I think such laws risk replacing a vanishingly small risk of harm to an individual, with a much greater risk of harm to an individual.
Anyway that was cool how UT berated me for not having a political discussion in his sandbox, then we were having one
I berated you for calling people out here and using their real name, and using OUR community (not MINE; it's owned by J.R. "Bob" Dobbs) as your personal occasional message service, to reach Facebook friends who are not your friends, and for not actually influencing anyone at all or having a discussion at all but having a political tantrum against someone you barely know which is pathetic masturbatory behavior and I know because I've done a shit ton of it.
If you want me to weigh in, have a discussion. I don't think that's actually happening here. I think it would take a lot of discipline which doesn't exist here and which people aren't really interested in. I believe we can learn by interacting with those we disagree with, but when we play games and masturbate there's no *actual* interaction.
Now if a trans goes in the ladies room, and on closer inspection, voice, hanging out rather than going in a stall then leaving, and obviously appears male, then all the ladies feel uncomfortable. Now we've traded one person being uncomfortable for several being uncomfortable. That's where noble vs practical comes in my mind.
Replace "trans" with "black" and "ladies" with "whites only" and it changes the whole tenor.
I'm with Dana. Other than the discomfort people have with non-conformists, the issue is with people (men, apparently, because we're all deviates ;) ) pretending to be trans in order to do something creepy to women. At least that's what I think has caused the legislation.
We had coed bathrooms in college.
It was basically no big deal, except I didn't want to take a dump next to anyone, let alone a woman, so I would go over to a classroom building to take care of that particular business in a bathroom that was always empty. I'd brush my teeth, shower and pee next to women in the bathroom in my dorms though. (No urinals, stalls only.)
It took about a week to get used to when I was a freshman, but after that it was completely unremarkable. We were all about the same age though, and knew one another.
Replace "trans" with "black" and "ladies" with "whites only" and it changes the whole tenor.
Yes, it does.
I'm with Dana. Other than the discomfort people have with non-conformists, the issue is with people (men, apparently, because we're all deviates ;) ) pretending to be trans in order to do something creepy to women. At least that's what I think has caused the legislation.
Could be, but unless it comes from the horses mouth it's still speculation.
Could be just pass a law to show constituents they're working, and nobody could object to this except them hippie weirdo commie fags.
Of course if it came from Republicans it's with evil intent, but from Democrats it's just unfortunate unintended consequences. :lol2: :bolt:
Is it ok for a straight, pussy-loving man to go into the ladies room and have a wee?
There have been times, in clubs, when the men's toilets have had to be blocked off whilst staff deal with whatever, that I've seen blokes going in to use the ladies' toilets. And vice versa.
A lot of places now have unisex toilets. Makes much more sense to me.
- also much easier to share a small amount of coke, if you can all go into the same loos :P
Yebbut...
I'm talking about having a ladies, and having a gents, both properly functioning...Is it ok for a straight, pussy-loving man to go into the ladies room and have a wee?
If a man, straight or otherwise, that dresses as a woman, can go in the ladies, then it has to be ok for me, straight man dressed in traditionally male clothing, to go in the ladies, too, doesn't it?
The thing is, the kind of man who would want to subtly ogle women peeing is the kind of man who decidedly would NOT dress as a woman in public, for that or any reason. And the kind of socially-fucked-up perv who would stare and masturbate and openly leer at a woman in the bathroom is the kind who wouldn't bother putting on a dress before walking in and doing it anyway.
FYI, all men are on some level a threat until we know them and/or prove otherwise. We do not somehow feel more vulnerable in your average public bathroom than we do in, say, any parking garage after 8 pm.
Great video, if you haven’t seen it.
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In brief, a young man realizes that his father, how hates black people, only knows one black family, and they are “good ones” –and he realizes that his father’s world view can’t possibly be accurate. And it was segregation of races that created the situation where his father only personally encountered a disproportionately small number of black people.
This got me to thinking… when people aren’t familiar with someone who is different from themselves, because they haven’t had a chance to interact with them, haven’t had a chance to learn that they are “okay” people, it is much easier to harbor unfair, discriminatory feelings about that group. Segregation of races created this situation, but we knew it because we could see who was different, by the color of their skin.
Fast forward to the national “bathroom laws” discussion issue and we don’t have the convenience of skin-colored segregation to define the group we are talking about. What unknowns there are that exist in this case are due to people’s familiarity with the issue—not necessarily their exposure to trans people, because they might not have known if they’ve ever interacted with a trans person. It's, literally, not a "black and white" situation.
So that's my ham-handed metaphor for the subject that's obviously super complicated and difficult to discuss, and people get all worked up about it for various reasons, but I think we should probably try to muddle through and talk about it anyway because it's not going away.
... FYI, all men are on some level a threat until we know them and/or prove otherwise. ...
Does that include trans-men?
The NC Legislature has been accused of attacking Trans people. I highly doubt that's the case, I doubt Trans people were considered at all, or that more than half the legislature were even aware Trans people existed. Those that did probably didn't think there were any outside of Greenwich Village, Frisco, Vegas, or Tijuana. I also highly doubt they had a clue this would stir up a shit storm, and weren't prepared for...
or for this...
Of course nobody would bat an eye if either of them went into the "wrong" bathroom, but I guess there's people who are not this convincing.
However if they repeal the law, Gravdigr will be free to use the ladies room once more.
this cuntry is so fucked up
I've learned a lot from my 25 year old daughter. When I would see a person of unclear gender, I would feel uncomfortable, because I wasn't able to label the person and put it into the little cubby in my brain for "male" or "female". She pointed out that it's a person, not just any person - it's Alex. It doesn't matter what gender Alex is, in fact it's wrong to label at all. We should think of every person as that person, not as a male, female, white, Asian, or whatever. Labeling someone as part of a group is the first step in dehumanizing them.
But it's safer, although not 100% reliable, to sort them into friend or foe.
I've learned a lot from my 25 year old daughter. When I would see a person of unclear gender, I would feel uncomfortable, because I wasn't able to label the person and put it into the little cubby in my brain for "male" or "female". She pointed out that it's a person, not just any person - it's Alex. It doesn't matter what gender Alex is, in fact it's wrong to label at all. We should think of every person as that person, not as a male, female, white, Asian, or whatever. Labeling someone as part of a group is the first step in dehumanizing them.
I like Prince, and was shocked and saddened when I heard that he died.
When I was a young teen, and Purple Rain came out, I didn't know what to think of him. Was he gay? He was surrounded by women in his videos, but he sure acted weird. I was uncomfortable with Prince and his unclear sexuality and started to dislike his awesome music because of it. I think part of it was that I was going through my heterosexual awakening and just didn't want to be confronted by this charismatic guy who wasn't clearly in my camp. If I liked his music, was I gay? I didn't want to be gay, so I decided I didn't like his music. (It's ironic that I was listening to Queen a lot at the time and had no idea about them.)
I've come around since then. I like Prince. I like his music. His persona is all just part of the package. Liking him won't make me gay.
But I can get where the homophobes are coming from. I grew up. They should too.
Police officer: ma'am, can you describe your assailant?
Person: don't call me ma'am, I'm a person.
PO: ok, person, can you describe your assailant?
Person: it was a person.
PO: but was this person male or female? What was this person's skin tone? Was this person tall or short, fat or thin, bald or hairy...or somewhere in any of the possible ranges of any of these things?
Person: well I wouldn't label my assailant...it was just a person.
PO: ok, I'll get the APB out. I don't think your assailant could have gotten far. I'm sure we'll have your assailant in custody soon, and that person won't be accosting anyone one else any time soon.
Labels or descriptors. What are we allowed to say that doesn't interfere with the lofty ideals of the lofty idealists? Just sayin'.
Police officer: ...
Except that we've never subjected people to the level of scrutiny seen in a criminal investigation
because they want to go pee. Why would we start now?? We're freaking out about nothing.
It's this new Great American Culture of Fear we live in. Welcome to it.
Except that we've never subjected people to the level of scrutiny seen in a criminal investigation because they want to go pee. Why would we start now?? We're freaking out about nothing.
Heh heh... :D
I was speaking more to the tangential issue of not being able to DESCRIBE anyone.
Spexx's comment just struck me, is all. I'm fairly unopinioned about this whole topic. I don't really care where anyone pees. If I had my druthers, there would just be restrooms...but SINGLE toilet/sink restrooms all in a row that steam clean themselves between every use. Because I hate public restrooms. Peeing next to someone is just weird. I don't know how youse guys do the urinal thing anyway. :p:
/tangent...we now return you to your regularly scheduled fredthread
I hate pooping in a public bathroom. I don't care what gender you are, I don't want you in the room. I could give a fuck if women came in while I'm at a urinal.
I also think this is a lot of crap over nothing. How could it possibly be enforced? You might as well make jerking off illegal.
I do not agree with entertainers and businesses boycotting the entire state over this. I get it. They are trying to shine a light on the issue. But this only hurts the masses.
Most of all, it indicates how truly far from reality our national focus is. This is a huge deal to a very small and vocal minority.
Go shit in your hat.
You might as well make jerking off illegal.
So you're a Cruz man, eh?
I assume that's funny. He is pretty creepy. Is there also a jerking off tie in?
Smirk.
Sheep... I hope to hell this is highly edited...
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It's this new Great American Culture of Fear we live in. Welcome to it.
It's not fear, it's being considerate of others.
It's hard to be considerate toward what you fear.
Nobody claims the fringe, the minority, the oddballs, are weird, they claim they're a danger. Best recruiting tool ever.
Here are some words from a big brain...
I thought it very apropos. :notworthy
I had to scan it quick because this copy is going to Canada, and the replacements won't be here until the 29th.
Poo on you ...
Easy way to fix bathroom controversy. No longer call it boys and girls. Call it "innies" and "outties".
Danglers to one room, non-danglers to the other. "tucking" is not an exemption.
To the "right parts" argument:
The right parts (to go pee) are kidneys, ureters, bladder, and urethra.
Let's not forget the prostate which in old farts with enlarged prostates can cause them to dribble on the women's bathroom floors. There's generally a higher rate of incontinence among women than men anyway; so, the old trannies with BPH will fit right in.
At this point you've all just become creepy.
We're creepy and we're kooky, mysterious and spooky, we're all together ookey, The Cellar: Community
We just did them in reverse order.
We're creepy and we're kooky, mysterious and spooky, we're all together ookey, The Cellar: Community.
You forgot leaky. ;)
hheheh. The top one is good.
At this link is a 3meg PDF of the Berkeley Journal of Gender, Law & Justice. The article, which is worth reading is, "Defining the Human: Are Transgender People Strangers to the Law", by Abigail W. Lloyd.
From twitter...
I think the law passed at the state level in NC was the overreaction by a (relatively) small group of homophobes.
Why else craft a state law that reversed the city ordinance allowing transgendered people to use the bathroom that suited their gender AND also forbade all local jurisdictions in the state from passing any rules offering protection from harassment of or discrimination against people in the LGBTQ community?
Get people fired up about going pee pee next to someone with visible facial hair, but make the functional heart of the law an explicit endorsement of discrimination based on gender identity. Pure power grab by the chicken shit haters with power.
British LGBT travellers are being warned about the potential risks of travelling to some parts of the USA:
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Hi, my name is Griff. I live in the third world.
Orlando woman will take her gun into Target bathrooms to protect herself from trans people.
Only way she can have effective protection is to not wipe.
I wish the South had won the Civil War. They should rot on their own.
It's an interesting thought. We have so, so many fictional stories surrounding "What if the Nazis had won WWII?", but none that I know of about what would have happened if the American Civil War had gone the other way.
It's easy to picture the south as just being what we think of as "The South" today, but at the time most of
Southern California was also on the Confederate side, including Los Angeles, and in fact had already peacefully voted to create separate Northern/Southern California states, but then the actual Civil War broke out and all that kind of fell by the wayside.
You'd be paying a lot more for your citrus fruits, if the Confederacy had won, is all I'm saying.
You mean you and Sheldon would be Rebs. :eek:
My question is whether there's anything that people are worried a transgender person would do to them or their children in the bathroom that they'd be OK with any other stranger doing to them or their children in the bathroom.
I do find this whole thing slightly baffling to be honest. I could sort of understand if the existing laws prohibited people going into bathrooms that did not match their gender at birth and there was a movement to overturn those laws, that some people wuold find that unsettling and oppose the loosening of restrictions. What I cannot get my head around is why anybody would seek to impose new restrictions - has there been a flurry of incidents in which either trans gender people caused trouble by going into the 'wrong' bathroom, or in which non-transgender people went into the other gender's bathroom to peep or abuse under the cover of a pretended transgender status?
It seems to be legislation for no real reason other than that, with the growth of transgender identities in the mainstream, some people feel icky at the thought.
in which non-transgender people went into the other gender's bathroom to peep or abuse under the cover of a pretended transgender status?
This is (half of) what it's really about. Whether or not you believe the above fear is legitimate, it's completely disingenuous for opponents to keep making this about whether genuinely trans people are genuinely dangerous. Of course they're not. This law is about 1.) the idea of a creepy, rapey straight man who puts on a dress just so he can go watch your wife pee, and 2.) the straight man's fear that a woman he is attracted to might turn out to be a man. This law forces the chicks with dicks into outing themselves, thus protecting the men from getting too close to secret dick.
It seems to be legislation for no real reason other than that, with the growth of transgender identities in the mainstream, some people feel icky at the thought.
Sounds about right to me too.
This is (half of) what it's really about. Whether or not you believe the above fear is legitimate, it's completely disingenuous for opponents to keep making this about whether genuinely trans people are genuinely dangerous. Of course they're not. This law is about 1.) the idea of a creepy, rapey straight man who puts on a dress just so he can go watch your wife pee, and 2.) the straight man's fear that a woman he is attracted to might turn out to be a man. This law forces the chicks with dicks into outing themselves, thus protecting the men from getting too close to secret dick.
Damn, that's well put.
Yeah, I still don't think the NC legislature considered trans at all, simply a law to make it illegal for men to go in the ladies room. That way if some pervert did, there was a crime they could charge/punish him with. Who could be against That? I think it was just ignorance, being blind to the sexual landscape, that allowed this to happen. I subscribe to
Hanlon's Razor.
No, it was explicitly written to override a city's law allowing trans people to use the appropriate restroom. They knew what they were doing.
It was in all the news when it came out... Here's
one article.
Pat McCrory, a Republican, signed the bill Wednesday night and tweeted, "Ordinance defied common sense, allowing men to use women's bathroom/locker room for instance. That's why I signed bipartisan bill to stop it."
...
The General Assembly went into special session earlier in the day to push through the legislation, a response to a nondiscrimination ordinance that the city of Charlotte enacted that, among other things, made it possible for transgender individuals to use the public bathroom of the sex they identify as.
...
"Rather than expand nondiscrimination laws to protect all North Carolinians, the General Assembly instead spent $42,000 to rush through an extreme bill that undoes all local nondiscrimination laws and specifically excludes gay and transgender people from legal protections," said Sarah Preston, acting executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina.
OK, I'm wrong then, unless CNN and the ALCU are assuming evil intent then the legislature, at least the leadership, knew exactly what they were doing.
Yeah, I still don't think the NC legislature considered trans at all, simply a law to make it illegal for men to go in the ladies room. That way if some pervert did, there was a crime they could charge/punish him with. Who could be against That? I think it was just ignorance, being blind to the sexual landscape, that allowed this to happen. I subscribe to Hanlon's Razor.
You're the textbook example of what I was talking about; get'em all het up about who could object to criminalizing perverts in the ladies' room? But really do waaay more.
Like override the city ordinances already in place in twenty cities
Like rolling back the longstanding ability of employees to sue their employers, take it to federal court.
Like making it illegal by state law for any city to make minimum wage laws, like we've done in Seattle.
And it was done in a way that was... Rushed. Opaque. Releasing the text of the bill only 30 Minutes before the committee vote, and doing it in a one day emergency session.
They don't want to give the opposition, also citizens, any opportunity to object.
Total power grab.
Fuck you,
I am not the textbook case of anything.
I was trying to figure out how this happened, and until HM came up with evidence of malice, I attributed it to stupidity. As for your other five examples I assure you I had nothing to do with them either.
That you just noticed the big headline about keeping perverts out of the ladies room and missed all the rest is a representative sample of the overwhelming majority of reactions.
OF COURSE, you're a special snowflake and I and everyone here loves that about you.
But your response to this epic misdirection was exactly what the lawmakers were counting on. They buried the gotcha deep inside an irresistibly juicy worm. Lots took the bait. We'll see if the body politic can shake the hook on appeal.
I bet it's facebook's fault this law even happened. I mean, if it wasn't for facebook, no one would ever know that someone else didn't like how they think. They definitely wouldn't know how offensive their friends were, and they probably wouldn't even know they were transgender if it wasn't for facebook! Facebook has a lot to answer for. Someone should make a law about how people should use facebook and who can comment on what and when and if they have to agree and if you don't like it, you have to say something else because it's all about me Me MEEEEEEEE!
I had a disagreement with a friend on facebook this week about vaccination (no I don't want to argue about it here) We sorted it out and made our amends out in the open, and then her father jumped in to defend his daughter who didn't need defending anyway.
Talk about a tail poster :lol2:
Wrong, I didn't just grab the headline about keeping perverts out, as a matter of fact I knew there was backlash against NC before I knew exactly what they did. I did know whatever it was, like the dozens of state measures going on around the country, it didn't affect me as my chances of returning to NC are between slim and none. But instead of puffing up with righteous indignation and ineffectually heaping scorn upon them, I tried to figure out how this stupid thing happened.
It's an interesting thought. We have so, so many fictional stories surrounding "What if the Nazis had won WWII?", but none that I know of about what would have happened if the American Civil War had gone the other way.
Harry Turtledove made a pretty good living doing that.
How the fuck can this be happening in the 21st century, in the land of the free?
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WTF, in the first one he called her a lesbian five times including when he said he didn't know if she was a lesbian or not. From the little clip they showed, I didn't think she was presenting as a man at all, she looked like a chick to me. :confused:
It looked to me like she was just protesting.
...And this is why there are people out there screaming that no American should be allowed to hide behind "screen names" or "user IDs" or whatever you want to call it--that we should all have to log in on a pre-net page with our real names before we can go anywhere digital, and that we should not be allowed to change our user names after that login. I happen to disagree with that stance.
I've dated trans people before and found their world to be lively and colorful (including the purple metalflake convertible Sebring one of the most fun ones had just bought). Bigotry against a demographic group because of ONE aspect of their existence seems to me to be a criminal waste of time and brains. That said, I am a horrible bigot in my free time...but STUPID is my focus, and it doesn't have a color or religion or gender identity all to itself.
This place is as close as I currently come to social media. I've never had a page on FB or LinkedIn or anything else popular; I had one on MySpace about 15 years ago but so did everyone else (but not their cats, who had to wait for FB just like the "the first image in my timeline is the sonogram my mom put up when she made me this page" generation). I killed my Twitter account because I had it so I could converse in realtime with someone who doesn't get good cell access and that person isn't real interested in speaking to me any more. When pressed about it IRL, I fall back on "I maintain that social networks are for social people, which lets me right out."
The hardest thing I do is one that I don't recommend to others because it would never gain widespread acceptance. I don't knowingly lie online, and I don't say things in a forum that I would not in a face-to-face conversation. No wonder the greater world wants nothing to do with me--I have no idea how to communicate IRL any more!
We are all social people to some degree though; man the gregarious animal, rarely lives as a hermit, even when man is busy being inhuman to other men.
I don't claim to understand it; I'm about as stupidly introverted as they make people, but I still need a little conversation here and there or I'm doomed.
But to the topic at hand; it is clear now that this issue is simply the next battle in the culture war; and one need not be too concerned about it. It actually feels like another losing issue for people like Fred. I even begin to feel a little sad for the losing side. They are like 0 and 10 in the last 10 battles. The victory lap over gay marriage must have been pretty devastating, and now they are left fighting over bathrooms at Target.
I didn't get the impression she was in there 'protesting'. I got the impression she was in the toilets with her friends and only started protesting when she was being asked to prove her gender or leave.
Here'sthe full clip. The woman who was being removed and her friends appear to have been queing in the toilets together when the police arrive to remove her, presumably because someone has objected to a masculine looking person being in the ladies. Even when it is pointed out that she is a girl, the police still insist on calling her 'sir'.
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But to the topic at hand; it is clear now that this issue is simply the next battle in the culture war; and one need not be too concerned about it. It actually feels like another losing issue for people like Fred. I even begin to feel a little sad for the losing side. They are like 0 and 10 in the last 10 battles. The victory lap over gay marriage must have been pretty devastating, and now they are left fighting over bathrooms at Target.
I hope so. But this is more than just fighting over bathrooms - the same legislation that makes it illegal for someone to use the 'wrong' bathroom also removes legal protection against discrimination in many other ways. It is a massively retrograde step.
J's daughter's fiancee has been told to leave women's bathrooms for looking like a guy. (she refused.)
It is a massively retrograde step
Don't worry, they are going to lose again.
As I pointed out to an old friend of mine who is on the losing side
You are now taking your children to Walmart to protect them from the toxic culture at Target. Enjoy!
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/J's daughter's fiancee has been told to leave women's bathrooms for looking like a guy. (she refused.)
I've never been asked to leave anywhere for looking like a guy, but I have been mistaken for a guy many times over the years. One time I was mistaken for a guy in drag, because I was wearing a short fitted dress and kitten heels.
Somewhat annoyingly, the cross-dressing gay friend J and I flat shared with for a few months borrowed the same dress and the same pair of kitten heels off me one time and he was propositioned by like five straight men.
Fortunately there's the
Citadel in Idaho to be safe from catching the ghey from those rejects in Group W.
I even begin to feel a little sad for the losing side.
I see them on that social media site everyday hoping the echo chamber is reality. Someday their churches need to catch up so we don't have sexuality in a good bad sorting bin. I truly feel bad for the teenagers being raised in this defensive posture.
Someone needs to build a conservative party out of something other than hate because these Democrats, who are pretty terrible in their own right, are going to get a bunch of free victories and a resulting shit ton of corruption.
American Family Association is right to boycott Target for LBGT friendly policies, but doesn't go far enough. They should include Facebook, Twitter, Google, Apple, McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, Anheuser-Busch, Walgreens, CVS, Boeing, American, United, Southwest, JetBlue, Alaska Airlines, Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, Volkswagen, Nike, Chase, Bank of America, Citi, Wells Fargo, Mastercard, Visa, American Express, Discover, IKEA, Home Depot, JCPenney, Sears, Nordstrom, General Mills, Kellogg, Kraft, Kroger, DirecTV, Sirius XM Radio, Sony, Universal, Paramount, Disney, Warner Bros, Comcast, AT&T, and Time Warner, for starters.
So basivcally they should become Amish?
Even the Amish would have trouble with some of the things they buy. There are actually over 400 companies on the list of
major companies generated by the
Human Rights Campaign as cool.
The Amish shop at Walmart. Also at Thrift Stores and most of those around here employ many people in different places on the gender identity spectrum.
In this part of PA, it depends on where they fall on the Amish spectrum. The more conservative orders, and the River Brethren, won't patronize any business that works on Sunday. That's why they shun the electric and telephone companies.
Ffs
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That's in Austin, I think.
So the goal is a government just small enough to fit in the ladies room? Watching this culture conflict would be hilarious if it was a performance parody.
So the goal is a government just small enough to fit in the ladies room? .
Well in fairness, it's a bigger space than a vagina, which the conservatives also want government to fit into.
If that was happening in the UK I'd have to stop using public bathrooms. It's embarrassing enough being called 'sir' by a shop assistant - never mind running the fucking gauntlet anytime you go to the loo.
It's amazing that people have given themselves permission to police this to fill the vacuum of lack of government oversight. Again read "A Handmaids Tale." On the upside Cruz is out but the nuttiness is deeper into the culture than just election cycle nonsense.
Sometimes I need to poop. I'd like there to be a bathroom any damn bathroom when I need one.
Today the US justice dept notified NC that their new law violates the seventh and ninth sections of the Civil rights law.
They've given NC until Friday to fix it
So where does Ferd Sheed fit into all this?
Any individual stall with a door that closes.
Any individual stall with a door that closes.
Hehe.
Just take the signs off the bathrooms - problem solved.
Sign, sign, everywhere a sign. Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind. Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?
Or simply replace it with one that reads "Family Room".
Please try to continue ignoring me and don't respond to any posts of mine.
It makes you far more palatable.
Signs, signs, everywhere a sign. Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind. Only the emotional are picky. Can't you read the signs?
Someone has an earworm song.
Best part about singing the same song on The Cellar: Nobody knows I am tone deaf.
Someone has an earworm song.
Or is maybe suffering from an emotional reaction to someone else.
I'm not sorry that a dolphin haggis'd ur 9/11 on a treadmill.