Trains... Choo Choo, not the dirty kind.
We've discussed before, somewhere in the Cellar, this head on collision in 1896 at 'Crush', Texas. But I just ran across this picture of the moment of impact.
This is the non-porno dirty kind.
I heard VW is doing a environmental recall on some of their models.
Yeah, just a few million of them. :rolleyes:
Yeah, just a few million of them. :rolleyes:
My 2014 VW Jetta Sport Wagon TDI, is one of them. And I am pissed.
They look like something off Metropolis
I lurves me some, Art Deco.
Their whisks were stolen too!
Some from the York Railway Museum
travel in style...
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Queen Victoria's "sink"
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Wow, nice pictures. How many trains/cars do they have there?
The posh interiors are a safety feature, even low-life train robbers would be loath to shoot up that décor. ;)
It's fairly big, presumably the biggest of its kind in the UK. You can easily spend half a day or more there. Or on their website:
www.nrm.org.uk
resembling a horse-drawn carriage, I think:
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A posh horse drawn carriage, but I suppose all horse draw carriages were posh, the hoi polloi rode in wagons. :haha:
Nice engines.
Germans were into streamlining too.
So, what IS the dirty kind? Do you mean when a group of men line up and take turns having relations with one woman? Like on a pool table or something?
Uh... I would have no knowledge of those things, but I've heard references to unspeakable perversions of some sort which are collectively coded by the shorthand term trains, among people who have knowledge of that culture.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
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From "The Shawshank Redemption":
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New York Central called their design Mercury, when they threw their hat in the streamlined ring.
Back when men were men and sheep were nervous, the US was carved up into fiefdoms by the major railroads. They grew by building tracks, stealing land, bribing politicians and swallowing small companies. Once it reached a point where there were only a handful of systems to big to mess with, they had to look inward for opportunities to jack profits.
Union Pacific decided there was money in short haul passengers on existing infrastructure, except the locomotives and cars were too costly. So they designed a smaller unit, with a gasoline engine for small groups of passengers. Streamlined, in 70' and 55' sizes, with the front 12' for the engine/mechanicals. The 70' had a mail compartment, and two passenger compartments, one for 50 Whites divided into smoking/nonsmoking, and one for 10 Colored, which I suppose included Indians, Chinese, and Mexicans.
The 200hp, 6 cyl, reversible, gasoline engine sat on the front truck, chain driving the axels. The cars operated in either direction at 50 to 60 mph, with 75 max. The engines proved unreliable and ultimately killed the project.
Union Pacific built the first 4 then subcontracted McKeen to build them in UP's shops. They were bringing cheap help back then, too.
I have never heard of a Reversible gasoline engine. I must research this.
My quick google search, brought me back to the same article. There are many reversible diesel engines, Atlas Imperial, and B-W diesel marine engines.
To reverse an engine, you stop the engine, line up the timing marks, rotate the cam shaft 180 degrees, and re-start it the opposite direction. Since most magnetos don't like turning backwards, you would need a mag. for reverse operation. This would be a complex engine to operate, but would put out the same power in reverse as well as forward.
One way of doing this is with two camshafts making for a complicated valve train. I'm gonna look into this engine, and see what I learn.
Something tells me the engine is a Klamath. They made gasoline marine engines in the same power range as described in the article. And direct reversing was quite popular at the time.
fargon, like any quiet gentleman, becomes lucid and wordy when you finally figure out his fascination. :D
I lurves me some antique engines.
I found an article on Wikipedia that says that the biggest problems with the McKeen cars was reliability of the engines. I think that they had too many moving parts. Here is the article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKeen_Motor_Car_Company#Motor_truck
The biggest problem they were having was trying to adapt marine engines for rail use. Also the lack of a clutch hampered operation. Internal combustion electric drive was in it infancy, and used successfully by other makers. The Denver and Rio Grande railroads Galloping Goose used a Pierce Arrow automotive power plant with success. The problem with the McKeen cars was an unreliable power plant.
...the horizontal cast steel engine bed was also described as a structural member. The straight-6 engine had an 11-inch (279 mm) bore and 15-inch (381 mm) stroke, for a total displacement of 8,553 cubic inches (140.16 L); it developed 300 horsepower (220 kW).
Good grief. :smack:
With no clutch at the time that could handle the output of that engine. Direct drive scary.
I found an article on the McKeen Motor Cars;
http://www.shiawasseehistory.com/mckeen.htmlI never did find out much about direct reversible gasoline engines. Only that they existed for a time and went away with out a wimper.
William McKeen was the Union Pacific Railroad’s Superintendent of Motive Power when he, and/or staff, came up with this design. The Railroad built the first four cars, and subsequent units were constructed by McKeen in leased space at Union Pacific’s Omaha Shops. So McKeen started a company to build this design.
I wonder if that was Union Pacific didn't want to risk liability?
Couldn't convince stockholders this was a geed investment?
Up's charter wouldn't allow to selling to other railroads?
McKeen's name was on the patents, unlikely if he was working for UP?
It was a sweetheart deal between McKeen and the UP brass?
I also wonder what engines were used in the first four?
FOUND IT!
The first McKeen Car was built in 1904-5, and was reported complete in March of 1905. This car was built with a steel frame and wood body, was 31′ feet long, and sat 25 passengers. It had a Riotti 50 H.P. Gasoline engine, which, when tested in the Omaha Yards, proved too weak for a train car of that size, and in two months, a 100 H.P. Riotti engine was fitted before it was sent off to Grand Island, Neb. for further testing.
They whole concept of an unassailable giant like Union Pacific, trying to carry the public on the cheap, is kind of scary. I mean if you try to raise corn or rabbits and fail, then it's too bad. Carrying 80 people and fail, is much more serious. But in those days, Union Pacific
might refund the price of the ticket... to the next of kin. Think how little White Star paid to Titanic victims.
OK, after the first four cars built by UP, they started using an engine of McKeen's design, except 3 Rottis, 1 Samet, and 1 Sterling.
The cars McKeen built for other railroads had his engine or Hall-Scott, or Winton engines.
Here's a Stover from that era.
And winter in the Rockies...
1943 menus with the highest priced item on each.
Burlington
New York Central
Frisco and Dixie
Wiki says...
The Shay locomotive was the most widely used geared steam locomotive. The locomotives were built to the patents of Ephraim Shay, who has been credited with the popularization of the concept of a geared steam locomotive. Although the design of Ephraim Shay's early locomotives differed from later ones, there is a clear line of development that joins all Shays.
The strength of these engines is that all wheels, including, in some engines, those under the tender, are driven so that all the weight develops tractive effort. A high ratio of piston strokes to wheel revolutions allowed them to run at partial slip, where a conventional rod engine would spin its drive wheels and burn rails, losing all traction.
I'm guessing there's some track under that water. :unsure:
Wiki says...
I'm guessing there's some track under that water. :unsure:
I wonder when that baby went out of service...
Apparently two more years hauling wood. This picture shows how 12 wheels were driven, including the tender's wheels, for maximum traction.
You can read the "stories"
here.
Santa Fe Locomotive... I guess if take a mile to stop, it doesn't matter that you can't see. :rolleyes:
That thing could have used a periscope.
That would make one awesome bong.
The Kleven green tunnel. :thumb:
...and now I know it has a name.
:D
Town of Kleven in the Ukraine, it's semi-famous.
Choo choo, bigada choo choo...
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You beat me to it Mr G!
Given that the restoration took ten years and cost well in excess of £4 million ($5.6m+) you can only speculate as to how much of the original engine is left.
I think that they must go by the principle that if the name plate is original, then it doesn't matter what else you weld, bolt, rivet or otherwise attach to it.
I mustn't be churlish; it's great to see it under steam again.
I stumbled onto this from Central PA. East Broad Top RR is the oldest surviving narrow gage RR in the country but they're in some financial distress.
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The locomotives were built by Baldwin a PA company as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Locomotive_WorksFor that money/time frame, I'd bet anything replaced was built as an exact duplicate except maybe better material. Besides, during it's service life of 60 years and 3.3 million km, I'm sure a lot of parts have been replaced... at least once. I wonder about the "blinders", they're on at Doncaster, but not in service or on tour in the US, although she wore a head light in CA.
Oh my, Boston in '69 was sweet.
I wonder about the "blinders", they're on at Doncaster, but not in service or on tour in the US, although she wore a head light in CA.
Oh my, Boston in '69 was sweet.
It seems that the recent restoration effort has returned the loco to the format it had during its service with the nationalised (1947) British Railways, including smoke deflectors and serial number 60103.
Prior to that, it spent much of its preserved life as 4472 of the London North Eastern Railway.
I had a vague recollection of 4472 being stranded in the US when the owner, Alan Pegler, was declared bankrupt and there's a comprehensive account of that episode on Wikipedia.
Adaptations required for the US tour are listed as:
...a cowcatcher, bell, buckeye couplings, American-style whistle, air brakes, and high-intensity headlamp
Flying Scotsman - Wikipedia.A trainspotter drove 50 miles and waited nearly an hour to see the Flying Scotsman yesterday - only for his view to be blocked by another train.
Ryan Allen, of Spilsby, Lincolnshire, thought he had set up at the perfect spot next to the East Coast Main Line in the village of Little Bytham.
However, he was left disappointed when a commuter train whizzed by at the exact moment the locomotive passed.
All that could be seen was the red and white body of the Virgin train, with the thick white smoke of the Flying Scotsman in behind it.
He tweeted his unfortunate moment in a video, saying: 'I had a feeling this would happen!'. It has since been retweeted more than 1,200 times.
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However Virgin Trains, having unwittingly spoiled the view, have kindly offered a trip to Atlanta courtesy of Virgin Atlantic.
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Daily MailGrasshopper kills 16 humans.
Ad for the Flying Scotsman...
Whoops. I wonder if they found him in the wreck with his hand on the throttle? :speechls:
This engine is in Switzerland and I'd guess it was used on a steep incline.
The nose is sloped, but the passenger compartment is parallel to the rails. It's a bit different than funicular rail cars.
I wonder if that's a passenger compartment, or the cab of the engine?
Ah, it's a
camel engine.
The Camelback was a design of steam locomotive developed in the late 19th century that could burn low-quality anthracite coal. Anthracite burns slowly with very little smoke, so railway engineer George Wootten created a large, wide firebox. This firebox was so tall it would block the view from the cab, so Wootten moved the driver's cab to a high position over the center of the boiler. This design of steam locomotive became known as "Camelback," "Center Cab," or "Mother Hubbard." It was very popular on the anthracite lines in the East, as it saved on fuel costs. But there were some problems. The first is that the fireman was more exposed to the elements. The second is that communication between the driver and fireman is more difficult. The third and most serious problem was that if the side rods were to break, they would destroy the cab and kill the driver, earning Camelbacks the nickname "Snappers." For this reason, Camelback engines were banned in 1918. One of them, Baltimore and Ohio 4-6-0 No. 305, is preserved in the B&O Railroad Museum.
Actually, it's a "Camel" locomotive, not a "Camelback". Camels had the cab atop the boiler, whereas Camelbacks straddled the boiler. The Camel was designed by Ross Winans, and the cab was placed atop the boiler to put more weight on the drivers, which helped when going over the Alleghenies. The Camelbacks were designed to accommodate the Wide Wooten Fireboxes, which necessitated putting the cab around the boiler. There is a Camelback at the museum- the CNJ #592. BTW, this might look strange, but it was very very effective.
So it was for inclines, but not the same type as the lenticular mountain climbers.
Funicular, not lenticular.
Yes, I was checking to see if you were paying attention... that's my story and I'm sticking to it... unless of course someone questions it, then I'll come up with a new one. :blush:
Heh.
I try to pay attention.
I guess this one is sort of a dirty kind.
Line 'em up... impress the press.
I stumbled on the B&O Museum in Baltimore...
A lot of towns and cities grew up as a result of the railroad. Even port cities welcome the trains right through town to the docks and waterfront warehouses. When the trains became dwarfed in presence and importance by trucks and automobiles, many of the surface tracks remained in use.
Everything has limits, especially pressure cookers and steam engines.
Pretty weird looking. I wouldn't have expected train guts to look like that.
That was one helluva train sneeze.
Your puny machines cannot contain him.
I don't know if I'd want them to go carefully slow, or get out of here fast. :haha:
Let's not forget Casey Jones, probably the most famous train engineer of the era. He died with his hand on the throttle and the whistle in his hand. Famous for his runs in North Mississippi with speeds exceeding 80 mph in 1900 and numerous songs.
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Casey Jones was a son-of-a-bitch,
Drove his train into a 30-foot ditch.
Jumped out the window with his dick in his hand,
Said "Look out ladies, I'm a fucking man!"
He lined 50 women up against the wall,
Said "Spread your legs, I'm gonna fuck you all!"
He fucked 48 then his balls turned blue,
And he backed off, jacked off, then fucked the other two.
Casey Jones died and went to hell,
He fucked the Devil, and he fucked him well.
Little demons running up and down the walls,
Screaming "Kill this bastard, before he fucks us all!"
Or, something like that.
Back in post #27 we talked about McKeen light rail locomotives, some with oddball engines.
Well it seems the last one on the face of the earth has been located in Anchorage and shipped to San Diego to be restored. It had it's pointy nose cut off somewhere along the way.
They have a
website to beg for donations and publish updates.
They're going to need a lot of it, they ran $2k
over on just the shipping charges. I didn't see what the bill was. :rolleyes:
Think of all the rubber tires the railroad saves. ;)
I was gonna use this for a post in "Where Is This - For Dummies", but, then, I looked at the engine again.
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Is it just me, or, is there something weird going on there?
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And burning logs to do it, while going over a log trestle.
Sure, what else would a logging operation burn but wood for a steam boiler. Just like the coal trains burning coal. Using just the slash would provide plenty of fuel for the engine, cook house, and any other heat needs of the logging operation.
Interesting, these cross logs aren't whole trees, but sections of trunks. But the ones that show they are the end of the trunk show how much had to be cut before the trunk snapped off.
I'm impressed that they can use logs of different diameters and get a finished trestle that is level enough for a train to go over it.
I was thinking more of the wheel arrangement on the engine.
Looks funny.
It's a
50 ton Climax locomotive.
A Climax locomotive is a type of geared steam locomotive in which the two steam cylinders are attached to a transmission located under the center of the boiler. This transmits power to driveshafts running to the front and rear trucks.
If you stay til the end, you get to see the 'engine'. The Emerald Night looks an awful lot like The Flying Scotsman.
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Casey Jones on acid. :eek: Looks like part of that track is temporary. Cool how the tunneled under the fence and shit.
I am impressed with that dude's setup.
The cats didn't think so.
Yeah, the cats were like ho hum it's not eatable. :haha:
No sense chasing it...It'll be by again in a minute.
If you have a hobby you can't afford, round up some others who share your interests, then find some people who will put up money to have you stop pestering them. :haha:
The Flying Scotsman on the Forth Bridge...
Looks like that plow/cow catcher, got a workout...
Damn those Nazis had style. If Trump's buildings weren't so tacky he'd have a good chance, but his name is too linked to chintzy.
Damn those Nazis had styl
-ish trains.
I wanted to fix that
so bad...
Catalog of
Railroad stuff...
I'd want one light enough to get the hell off the track in a hurry.
I learned from cartoons that they have a rail car that you move by pushing a see-saw up and down.
And confirmed by Blazing Saddles.
Dang that was lucky. We durn near lost a $400 handcart.
~Taggart
Street car sort of fits with trains...
velocipede via wooden pallet...
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Well, that sound isn't annoying at all.
I've seen this a few times in Honesdale PA. First time I took a picture.
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Hey, look! It's a reverse snowplowaboose.
Steam train race in Germany. Jump to 2:00 then get passed again at 5:45.
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Meanwhile, after a day of running through the smog in China, a bullet train needs to stop off for a shower.
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Small world. Or at least small internet.
I was over at Boing Boing, and they linked to a youtube video of a train. which I started watching. And at roughly the minute and a half mark, they run into Sundae's brother.
If it's not Sundae's brother, then it's a dead ringer who lives in the same town and has the same name.
Boing Boing link to a youtube video.
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And here is Sundae's brother.I thought it was remarkable anyway.
What are the chances?
Holy Shit!
It's Ste!
That is bonkers.
I just explained all this to Momdigr. The weirdness of it is totally lost on her. She's not getting it at all.
I'm damn-near gobsmacked.
And what a marvelous little video of a little train station, and right in the tradition of her travelogues, this is
AMAZING!
Sure looks a lot like him, Dana or Limey might be able to confirm it.
It's him. At the youtube link he is credited and there is a link to his Twitter where you can see his full name and see picks of him in a charity race for Sundae 's charity.
Wow. Planet Earth can be an okay place, sometimes.
Heavens, it’s a small world!
Little Kimble station is just three miles from here.
For many years the station itself was closed although the station buildings became a private dwelling and trains continued to run between Princes Risborough and Aylesbury.
I can’t remember how long ago it was when the station came back into use but I wonder how it affected the occupants of the house.
Having said that, while there are comparatively few passenger services, the track is used extensively by trains taking London’s domestic waste to a landfill site at the old brickworks quarry at Calvert north of Aylesbury.
On a warm day those wagons do NOT smell of roses so a few passengers wandering past your window are probably a minor inconvenience.
The suggestions that the name should be changed to Big Kimble or Large Kimble would cause a certain amount of confusion as there is already a Great Kimble a short distance away!
Last, but by no means least, it was good to see Sundae’s brother in the video. She’d often talk about Steven but I’ve never met him.
Hi Carruthers
It's good to hear from you again. You've been missed. Welcome back. :)
:celebrat: CARRUTHERS! Missed you, Sir. :welcome:
Hi Carruthers
It's good to hear from you again. You've been missed. Welcome back. :)
:celebrat: CARRUTHERS! Missed you, Sir. :welcome:
Thank you, Gentlemen. It's good to be back! :thumb:
Very good to have you back Carruthers!
Very good to have you back Carruthers!
Thank you, Mr. G! Much appreciated!
Where have you been? you have to explain your absence.
Welcome Home Carruthers!!!
Where have you been? you have to explain your absence.
Welcome Home Carruthers!!!
Thanks for the welcome home, fargon!
After Sundae passed away, I thought I would take an indeterminate break from the Cellar but, as you can see, I've been lured back to this haven of (in)sanity. ;)
All the best,
Carruthers.
Glad for it! We are far improved with your presence, sir!
How cool is all of this? Very cool indeed!
Undertoads global reach puts Putin and Trump to shame. :haha:
Another cool steam engine, the last one Union Pacific bought. It was converted from coal to oil, demoted from passenger to freight service, used as an experimental ice and snow melter, then used for PR and special requests. It's still in service for UP, and their last Steam Engine on the books.
The Union Pacific 844 is the last steam engine the company built, and it represented the epitome of steam locomotive technology. The 844 rolled out of American Locomotive Company’s (Alco) factory in December 1944. It was the result of seven years of development on UP’s new 800-series and focused heavily on efficiency and speed to combat the new diesel-electric locomotives that were on the rise with their unrelenting fuel economy and reduced downtime. The bed of the firebox and boiler were cast with the chassis as one piece instead of building the locomotive on a riveted frame—much like the difference between a stiff supercar monocoque and a floppy pickup ladder frame. This not only strengthened the 844 as a whole but also reduced its weight significantly, because portions of the drive cylinders and valves, various air channels for the firebox, and the cab floor were integral to the chassis.
This was important, as the 800-series was built to hustle passengers all throughout the Midwest, anywhere from Chicago to Los Angeles, at speeds up to 110 mph. Think about that for a second—just the engine and tender of the 844 weigh almost 1-million pounds (454 tons) along with the added weight of the passenger cars behind it.
linkHigh speed rail... we had that.
Since I can't ride the
Olympian Hiawatha I'll have to settle for AMTRAK.
Obviously a posed shot but they did have these in the rolling stock at the time.
Keep your eye on the [strike]money[/strike] rails:
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No derailment, train and cars stayed on track. According to vid description, "The crew were shaken, but not stirred."
Must have been a sight to see, a half mile of locomotives....
What the fuck?!
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What did it hit? Chris Christie?
The little engine that could. The two logs that could.
What the fuck?!
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What did it hit? Chris Christie?
You could crush a photoshop contest by putting beach chair Christy in front of that train.
What the fuck?!
What did it hit? Chris Christie?
Best I can find it did a head on with another train, Lippstadt, Germany, 2007. That means the caption should be "but you should see the OTHER guy!"
This is a new one on me...
People like to take vacation away from their normal rut. But what about railroad cars, back and forth on the same tracks, now that's a rut. Cars that accumulate enough vacation days and spare change, take ocean cruises.
Comin' atchya!
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Looks like a model positioned in front of a background to make it look real.
Anyway, while I started strolling through pictures of train turntables, I cam across this one.
Seems like this would happen fairly frequently. A train entering the turn table when it wasn't lined up.
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Looks like a model positioned in front of a background to make it look real.
I had my doubts, too. Mine were caused by this guy (picture right):
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Looks like he's on a little pedestal, like the little fake guys in ppls' model train set-ups. Idk.
It just looks wrong to me. The angle looking at the building is lower than the angle looking at the background.
Plus, I'm no train expert, but it looks like that building and the trains are brand new, but I don't think they use turn tables much any more. Just for the tourists in San Francisco. Plus every track has a gleaming train on it. It just screams posed model to me.
And then, I went to prove it and found this address to put in Google Earth.
411 S Salisbury Ave, Spencer, NC
Time... when the hell did I get old?
Walt Disney lied, it's not a small world after all. It's big and all sorts of things are changing while we're struggling with life.
Dis splain it.
Now...If we could just get someone to splain dat website. It's damn near a foreign language!:lol2:
Yeah, like any hobby it has it's own language. Like listening to a politician, it's as clear as mud but it covers the ground.
"Inverted" Locomotives...
It's amazing how the mighty railroads lost their grip, not just from the greedy barons sucking off funds, but the way they operated.
Because all the US railroads interconnected the equipment had to compatible, so most of the rolling stock looked the same. But the Track Inspection Engines was the one area they varied widely. Often the TI Engines owned by the same company were varied.
Blub blub blub, I hope the boiler was cool when the water came up.
As the railroads spread around the world the were sometimes differences it track width but most of the rolling stock looked pretty much alike. The Locomotives, however, being so big and heavy tended to be locally made which led to a different look.
Of course England had dozens of different designs.
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Everyone gets into the act...
And last but not least...
That canal tug is a pretty specific design. I assume it's cogged to get up the lock inclines.
Also, since they're small, the cog may help it (traction-wise) tug those ginormous ships and boats.
That was unexpected.
Here's another unexpected mashup:
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The idea of a Navy train made me wonder whether
something like this existed. Apparently it does.
But that CG Railway is private enterprise moving trains between North and South America. But damn you, you got me curious too. :haha:
Yes the US Navy has trains, with yellow engines and gray rolling stock. The largest is in Crane, IN, at the Navel Surface Warfare Center there.
There are smaller ones around the country, at least one in NJ and a couple in CA, I could find. The locomotives are mostly electric or diesel/electric, so don’t toot-toot like Popeye. They are all involved with moving things that go boom. Moving munitions from inland stores to warships in port, or around various munitions storage and testing facilities.
British railroads were the standard...
So apparently speed limits are sometimes important.
The National Transportation Safety Board says the train that derailed Monday as it made its way from Seattle to Portland was going more that twice the posted speed limit when it jumped the tracks on a bridge over a busy interstate highway.
Welcome to the bloody third world.
*Joe Strummer
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No 5820 leaves Oakworth station on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway in West Yorkshire.
This is a rather unusual sight as most heritage lines run the old work horses from the heyday of British steam.
No. 5820 was built in 1945 by Lima of Ohio in the U.S.A for the US Army to aid the war effort in Europe, being shipped directly to Poland.
After the war the locomotive was taken into stock by Poland State Railways and re-numbered TR203-474.
The engine remained in Poland until withdrawal for preservation by the Polish Railway Museum in Warsaw.
Purchased by the Railway, 5820 finally arrived at Haworth in November 1977 and entered service on the Worth Valley in the following year still carrying the Polish livery.
During this time the engine was re-liveried to USATC grey and chosen to appear in the feature film “Yanks”, filmed on location in Keighley.
Following withdrawal at the expiration of its boiler certificate, the engine was laid aside until a lengthy restoration was undertaken.
After a thorough overall the engine returned to service in February 2014, temporarily painted in British Railways unlined black, fictitiously numbered 95820.
For the Easter holiday 5820 regained its number and authentic USATC grey livery and is regularly seen working trains along the branch.
Keighley and Worth Valley Railway.You can't stand in the way of progress and in 1922/23 the Metropolitan-Vickers electric loco was introduced.
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Dad commuted into London in the late fifties to early sixties during the last days of steam and remembers these machines.
Trains from Aylesbury and points north would pause to uncouple the steam engine at Rickmansworth and continue, electric hauled, to Baker Street and beyond.
Out of the twenty built two remain. One is in the London Transport museum and another,
Sarah Siddons, is preserved in running order for special occasions, enthusiast trips, etc.
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As a bonus, there's a steam loco on the other end.
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Kirklees Light Railway in West Yorkshire.
First wreck of a streamliner...
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Kellogg lumber company...
I wonder how effective those skis at the front are for steering that massive thing. I'd imagine skid steering would work better.
(Arguably, no pipeline? OK, we'll just carry this stuff down the rocky hillside, next to the curves of the river...)
...and excess rolling stock is parked all over the country including the Adirondacks and on a couple rail lines near here. On the same issue, they're compressing gas and trucking it over the road into NYS because the pipelines are being held up. I'm not a big fossil fuel guy but a rational distribution plan would be preferable.
We haul fuel.
Why?
Because we need a lot of fuel.
Why?
Because we haul a lot of fuel.
Wh--wait. Whut?
April 26, 1958
The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad's Royal Blue,
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one of the first major electric trains in the U.S., made its final run.
Uh, that's Bluetiful. :haha:
His last run...
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I never thought of that dep't: In 1857, before time zones were invented, every town had its own time.
(Not in Britain, where a more civilized nation had Greenwich posting an agreed-upon time for everyone by 1852...)
It was the railroads that forced a common time to happen. Suddenly there was a need for everyone to understand the same time. The agreed-upon time used to be called "Railroad Time". But people agreed to call it Standard Time. And we still do.
It's interesting which are the principle cities in the US, Toronto's inclusion implies a pretty porous border. With the trains running they probably didn't mess around with border checks.
Hell, in my time, driving through the border meant a 30 second stop to hear welcome to Canada.
When we crossed about a hundred years ago, the guy said "Ya got any guns, eh?"
We said "Uhh--"
He said "Welcome to Canadia, eh."
It wasn't that strict crossing back.
Ever thought that you are deserving of a higher station in life?
For a mere £425,000* (minimum!) you can be the proud owner of Dent Station House high in the Pennines in Cumbria.
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Offered for sale for only the third time since being built in 1877 and situated on the legendary Settle to Carlisle railway line, Dent is England's highest mainline railway station.
The classic Victoria station property has undergone a sympathetic restoration and has been available for holiday rental since 2007.
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Flying Scotsman
Around five passenger trains in each direction link Leeds and Carlisle and stop at Dent daily, and the line is regularly used by freight trains.
Dent Station is a great place from which to explore the Dales by train, with rover tickets available allowing exploration of surrounding towns and villages.
Dent village itself is approximately four miles away and has its own brewery.
The trip from Settle to Carlisle is regarded as one of the most scenic and quintessential railway journeys in the world.
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Should you become jaded by the iron horse, then thrill to the sight and sound of a low flying RAF jet.
*$568,000.
Link.Pay for it by selling trinkets to tourists.
It might be largely self-financing, assuming you don't want to live there yourself.
This from yesterday's Sunday Times:
Cumbria £425,000
Dent, on the Settle-to-Carlisle line, is the highest mainline station in England and Wales, and the views are suitably lofty.
The three-bedroom former station house, near the hamlet of Cowgill and nine miles from the shops in Sedbergh, is now a holiday let turning over up to £50,000 a year.
Trains to Carlisle (1hr 15min) pull in every two hours or so, and fast community broadband will arrive in the next few months.
Link It's behind a paywall but there might be free access for a limited number of articles, not sure.
For more context, have a look at these two posts courtesy of limey.
Settle to Carlisle videos.
Dent StationIf ya buy this place, do ya gotta deal with the ten trains a day stopping there?
Pass.
If ya buy this place, do ya gotta deal with the ten trains a day stopping there?
Pass.
No, it's a private dwelling fenced off from the working part of the station itself.
Reading between the lines, in a manner of speaking, the holiday rental side of it probably appeals to steam railway enthusiasts so it will never be a railway free zone.
Here's someone else who is reading between the lines.
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On the subject of railway station buildings converted to houses, see
Posts 127 to 136 of this thread. (Little Kimble)
Little Kimble station is just three miles from here.
For many years the station itself was closed although the station buildings became a private dwelling and trains continued to run between Princes Risborough and Aylesbury.
I can’t remember how long ago it was when the station came back into use but I wonder how it affected the occupants of the house.
Having said that, while there are comparatively few passenger services, the track is used extensively by trains taking London’s domestic waste to a landfill site at the old brickworks quarry at Calvert north of Aylesbury.
On a warm day those wagons do NOT smell of roses so a few passengers wandering past your window are probably a minor inconvenience.
Slip Coach from 1858 to 1960...
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Thanks, Bruce. I'd never heard of that operation before.
It doesn't look a particularly safe procedure on the face of it!
I noted the reference to a '
Warship Class' diesel as the train left Paddington.
Some years ago, a mate of mine noticed a particularly grubby diesel loco at Euston with the name 'Scharnhorst' tastefully inscribed in the grime.
I imagine when they started in 1858 without wireless communications and with more primitive equipment, everyone had to be on their toes. Of course back then the riders probably accepted more jostling than they would today.
I've just mentioned this video to Dad.
He remembers the use of slip coaches at Princes Risborough which is on the line shown and about twenty miles SE of Bicester.
Preparing lunch, hence brevity. :)
That is very cool. It seems like an update could be effective again.
The girls are in England btw.
The girls are in England btw.
North Yorkshire Moors Railway?
Spot on. Lil Griff went to college with a girl from Yorkshire who gave them a whirlwind tour. Beautiful country.
Is the guy in the picture an alien, it says probes on his hat? :lol:
Dude's hat says 'Padres'.
Brilliant trains.
The Madison Avenue white supremacy is pretty mainstream...
Those are some badass whitewalls.
I was wondering:
What, ya couldn't find no big train wheels?
Those are some badass whitewalls.
Spats.
I was wondering:
What, ya couldn't find no big train wheels?
The bigger the wheel, the bigger the contact patch, the more traction.
Um, yeah. And less rolling resistance...
I was going for the humor involved when asking for big train wheels, whilst being presented with big goddamned train wheels.
Fuckin' mansplainers, man.
If you put a question mark on it expect an answer.
It's been said many times by many people many times smarter than myself:
We need a sarcasm font. Or a rhetorical font.
But, yeah, what you said.
This looks like fun, early version of lane discipline cars. But I don't think that front fender will help very much. ;)
Salute the peoples superior prowess...
I like the look of the jet train, but it must've been hell to stop.
Stop? Only capitalist running dogs stop, in Soviet Union we don't recognize the word stop. :apistola:
It's 2AM, you're on the way home from an evening of revelry.
You're stopped at a railroad crossing, and the weed burner goes by all alight.
Call out the National Guard. I swear, it was a monster, breathing fire, and prowling the countryside. I'm so lucky it didn't spot me.
What does my blood alcohol level have to do with it, I know what I saw!!
[Thread drift]:
One night about a hunnert years ago, me and my buddy were sitting on the square at about 3-4 in the morning. No traffic. I mean nothing for over an hour. We hear a car coming and we both look toward the sound. I SHIT YOU NOT, a 71 El Dorado convertible pulling a car trailer comes by the town square, at 3-ish in the damn morning, pulling a ten foot-tall pink elephant wearing horn-rimmed glasses and holding an eight-foot martini glass w/an olive the size of three pregnant watermelons in it.
I'm still looking the direction it went when my buddy looks back the other direction and says, to no one in particular, "I didn't see a damned thing."
[/Thread drift]
That's when you do a mental inventory of your awake/asleep state, your eye sight, your dope, and your mental health. :lol:
Any chance it was this one in Indiana?
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/461hmm...appears to be a "thing", here's one in Illinois...
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/42871Even better than my imagination!
I love it that you backed up grav's story.
They're in cahoots I tells ya, cahoots. :lol2:
Never underestimate the power of the wind...
Any chance it was this one in Indiana?
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/461
hmm...appears to be a "thing", here's one in Illinois...
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/42871
It looked more like the one in Illinois. Very close. The glasses on mine looked better.
Anybody know what this is about? Looks like part of a switch but there's no track to switch to??
If it were a switch, wouldn't the track split happen just below where the image cuts off?
Maybe, but a switch needs to move two tracks. Looking through Google images of track switches I don't see anything remotely like that.
It's the front of a railroad canoe.
I think that this might be the answer, but will stand corrected.
Why do they have the two extra railway lines (in between the main lines) on bridges?
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Do you mean the guard rails placed parallel to regular running rail along areas of the bridge?
These have the effect of keeping the wheels of rolling stock in alignment in case of derailment(making sure the derailed train will not turn over).
It also helps to minimize damage to the bridge and allow easier post-accident cleanup.
from Wikipedia: Guard rails (railroad)
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Perhaps a better example...
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LinkBy jove, I believe you've solved the mystery. Possibly the photograph was taken from a bridge structure. :notworthy
That's so cool! I've seen those before and wondered about them but never realized that it had to do with the bridge.
I didn't know they labeled steam engine with day and night signals as to whether the were going forward pulling the train, or running backward pushing the train.
The pulling engine was also marked as to whether there was one pushing or not.
I can understand if an engineer suddenly sees another engine on the same track facing him, it's nice to have signals to tell him if it's pushing a trrain or to bail out. But I don't see why the pulling engine would be labeled that there's a pusher at the other end?
Now this shows four engines pushing a big plow but they're all facing forward.
Oh, and the boilers are designed for the type of coal available, Anthracite being high-test and preferable, with more heat for the weight so better mileage and less shoveling. Places like India where the coal is very low grade they might have there own designs.
Drag race, rollin' coal...
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The filename says bridgewashedout...I make no guarantees as to the veracity of the description of the water-spanning device.
Looks like a scene from Culverts Travels.
Thermite welding...
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The muscle memory in those guys. They just keep working, with no wasted movements that I can see.
That oughta hold 'er.
Looks like about ten specialized tools.
I freaked out a bit with the face-level blowtorch, but I expect the perspective made it look much closer to the other guy's head than it actually was.
Thermite welding
Interesting read.
No hand pumping...
So, where do you your penis in?
And, do I
have to go down to the depot, or can I get one o'those for the home?
:jig:
Ireland... freight was so hard to balance they only made money in the summer hauling people to the beach.
is that a monorail?
Looks like one to me.
Looks like a giant money hole.
Hey, it ran for 36 years. Probably because there was no alternative. :yesnod:
Also only half the rail stock to maintain...
...and all the laughing stock.
"What should we do with all these leftover sawhorses, Boss?"
"Take 'em. Start a railroad with 'em, I don't give a shit!!"
When British railroads gave up on steam, in favor of diesel-electric locomotives.
HOUSTON — When the curtain parted in College Station, Tex., revealing a two-toned blue locomotive standing nearly 16 feet tall and bearing the number 4141 in his honor, former president George H.W. Bush looked around excitedly, his face breaking into a smile.
One word left his lips: Wow.
Thirteen years later, that same Union Pacific locomotive will escort the 41st president to his final resting place in College Station on Thursday afternoon after funeral ceremonies in Washington and Houston.
The train carrying his remains will leave a Union Pacific Railroad facility in Spring, a community north of Houston, and travel the 70 miles to College Station. Bush will be buried there, alongside his late wife and daughter, on the site of his presidential library at Texas A&M University.
The locomotive, painted the same blue colors that adorned Air Force One during Bush’s presidency, was unveiled by the company in October 2005. At the time, Bush was fascinated by the train’s mechanics and asked whether he could take it for a spin, according to Mike Iden, a retired Union Pacific general director of car and locomotive engineering.
After some brief training and under the supervision of an engineer, “the former president operated the locomotive for about two miles,” Iden said.
linkThat's the cleanest train I have ever seen. Shiny.
I'm glad they put up that railing to keep train from falling in the river... :haha:
But there are people, too, walking between the train and the handrail. Seems like it's more for them?
They are there to cushion the train so it doesn't get scratched by the handrail. :haha:
Model train that took 10 YEARS to build and is an exact replica of the Duchess of Buccleuch is set to sell for record-breaking £200,000 at auction
A one-eighth scale model of the Duchess of Buccleuch train is tipped to reach a record £200,000 at auction.
The 10ft model is fitted with hardwood floors, sliding fire doors, pressure gauges and even a copper boiler.
It was made in the 1970s by train builder Harry Powell who used original drawings to create a working replica.
The model is based on the real Duchess of Buccleuch train, which operated on the West Coast Main Line between London and Glasgow for a quarter of a century.
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Mr Powell used original drawings to create an exact working replica of the Duchess of Buccleuch, which operated on the West Coast Main Line between London and Glasgow for a quarter of a century
It is a throwback to the era when steam trains set world records. But this model locomotive is tipped to break a record of its own when it goes up for auction.
The one-eighth scale version of the Duchess of Buccleuch, described as one of the finest ever built, is expected to fetch £200,000.
It is one of two models of the loco made by renowned train builder Harry Powell.
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The attention to detail is such that it is fitted with a copper boiler, safety valves, regulator, blower, whistle, brake, wheel reverse gear, sliding firedoors, pressure gauges, twin water sight gauges and a hardwood floor.
Painted in the original crimson London, Midland and Scottish Railway’s livery, it belonged to prominent model maker Ted Martin, who died aged 88 in 2010.
It is being sold by his estate at auction house Dreweatts, in Newbury, Berkshire, on March 12 with a pre-sale estimate of £150,000.
Michael Matthews, of Dreweatts, said the model is ‘as close as you can get to the real thing’ and could easily fetch £200,000.
He added: ‘Harry Powell is considered to be the Rembrandt of the model train making world. I would say it is one of the best railway models ever built.’
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It's an astonishing level of detail and workmanship.
How does anyone have that degree of patience and dedication?
More at the
link.
Isn't that worth more than 200,000?
If you want the real thing...
'Sister ship' Duchess of Sutherland operates mainline steam specials.
I think that it is the only one of its class remaining but am willing to stand corrected.
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It is not long since it emerged from a major overhaul.
In all honesty this video will not set the pulse racing but at least you can get a good view of the Duchess.
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I've always been puzzled why they built locomotives so difficult for the engineer to see ahead, except for a couple of front cab specials. It wasn't until the modern diesel-electrics that they put the engineer up front. Maybe they wanted the engineer to keep the fireman company.:rolleyes:
How does anyone have that degree of patience and dedication?
No life to get in the way.
Rails for your train?
Pfft. Luxury![/Python]
Nothing stops the Chief...
While the big one WW II was raging, Spain had already finished their war with Hitler's help and had moved on to other things.
As I post this it is 6:48.
How did you post that post thirty minutes from now?
ETA: Dammit your post time was 30 minutes ahead just a second ago! It said 7:23. WTF?
While the big one WW II was raging, Spain had already finished their war with Hitler's help and had moved on to other things.
Maybe Drumpf's right about re-visiting fascism.
As I post this it is 6:48.
You lost a whole hour eatin' breakfast!
ETA: Spring Forward is March 10
You lost a whole hour eatin' breakfast!
See, that shit makes my head hurt.
In 1953 most people wore hats, spoke proper and didn't eat peas with a knife.
They also looked worn out and old before their time which isn't surprising as the country was still struggling in the wake of WWII.
From that year is 'London to Brighton in Four Minutes'....
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Very nice!
To my eyes, one modernish thing jumped off the screen as I watched this.
It's the FONT used here. The font is Gill Sans, the predecessor to Helvetica.
It will not appear "modern" at all to Brits, because British Rail adopted it really early in history. It was used in the 30s for things that wanted to look modern, and became the standard British Railways font in 1948. But its predecessor was developed by a man named Johnson for the London Underground in the 1910s.
Since it's for railway signage, it's also seen in the film here:
And this conductor has a box of it on his right:
When the world found Helvetica (1957), and wanted to become modern, that became THE font for transport signage, and in some places, it still is:
Most signage uses different variants on Helvetica now; the font has been endlessly refined for different things. We computer users are most familiar with its little cousin Arial. There is a good chance you are reading this sentence in Arial.
Today I Learned about railway fonts.
me too as well along with the potential for dating stuff by font which seems obvious in retrospect but apparently wasn't
i think i broke my engrish
the potential for dating stuff by font which seems obvious in retrospect but apparently wasn't
Remember when Dan Rather was fired from CBS News, for rolling with the story that W. Bush was AWOL from his National Guard duty? It was proven out as a hoax because computer typography geeks could see,
immediately, that the supposedly-typewritten memo was a fake. Set in a modern proportional font, with modern kerning, in a style not available in 1973. (But which was the default fonts setting in MS Word at the time.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy
Our 2004 thread on the matterToday I Learned about railway fonts.
So did I! I also learned that Gill Sans was designed by the sculptor Eric Gill.
A quick search of eBay indicates that there is a market for original British Railways signage.
This one is priced at £1600 or about $2068. :eek:
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eBayPennsylvania Rail Road big mofo...
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Cadbury locomotives come in two flavors...
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I see what you mean with PRR 6200. Maybe the engineer could look out the other side.
I can't imagine what a million pound locomotive does to the tracks/ties/bed.
the "no cylinders, direct drive" caught my attention.
You mean the turbines powered by the (320 psi !!!!) steam were directly coupled to the drive wheels? How in the world does that thing just start moving??!! How much bypass is happening in the drivetrain? You're trying to get the million pounds off the schneid by blowing on it? I'm thinking through this now, obviously there's a gearbox of some kind involved, and low-low-low-low must have been pretty low to start that monster.
18.5:1
Such design was to prevent energy loss and S2 achieved a mechanical efficiency of 97% which means only 3% of steam energy was lost within the propulsion equipment.
Wow.
Some of those placenames are still around. Not as much of the railroad though.
The date for the Pacific map is 1958 but I figured it was more historical than current.
The Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad used anthracite coal because it's local but played it up in their PR and ads.
Ever wonder how big the contact patch is? Small, very small.
It was one of the unsung heroes of the early 20th Century railway system in the UK.
'Hall Class' locomotives were never going to be confused with the likes of the Flying Scotsman, Mallard or Duchess of Hamilton, but they gave many years of sterling service.
Each was named after a stately home, in this instance Wightwick Hall, and when the production run came to an end and they were running out of names, some wag suggested that the last one should be named 'That's Hall'.
Restored Wightwick Hall locomotive to run in Bucks
A steam locomotive is due to run for the first time in more than half a century after a restoration which has taken over 40 years.
The 6989 Wightwick Hall was built in 1948 and last ran in 1964.
It arrived at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre in Quainton in 1978 and has been rebuilt by volunteers from the 6989 Restoration Group.
Project member Chris Taylor said its run on Sunday would be "pretty emotional".
Built in Swindon and named after Wightwick Hall, near Wolverhampton, it covered 640,645 miles over 16 years in a fast express and freight role, including taking supporters to Wembley on football specials.
After decommissioning, it was sold to a scrapyard in Barry in Glamorgan, where it sat for more than 13 years before the engine and a tender were bought for £13,000 by the Quainton Railway Society after a fundraising appeal.
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Wightwick Hall arrives at Buckinghamshire Railway Centre (Quainton) in 1978.
Chris Taylor is one of two men who have worked on it for 44 years - he first started travelling to Wales at weekends in 1974.
He said that over the years about 40 people have been involved and the current core team of eight have been together about 20 years.
"It had to be stripped right down to the basic components and then slowly rebuilt," he said.
"It's been totally done by a group of volunteers who've raised every penny themselves and done it on weekends as a hobby."
The locomotive passed its steam test in December and on Sunday it will travel about half a mile along the track at the museum.
"I will be at the helm for part of it - it will be pretty emotional," Mr Taylor said.
He said she would "earn her keep" by going on hire to other heritage railway companies where she would do runs of about 10-12 miles.
The locomotive passed its steam test in December and on Sunday it will travel about half a mile along the track at the museum.
"I will be at the helm for part of it - it will be pretty emotional," Mr Taylor said.
He said she would "earn her keep" by going on hire to other heritage railway companies where she would do runs of about 10-12 miles.
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Restored to her former glory.
BBC
Wiki
Buckinghamshire Railway CentreIt was one of the unsung heroes of the early 20th Century railway system in the UK.
Very cool.
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That's "brilliant," as is heard a few times in the vids.
Ever wonder how big the contact patch is? Small, very small.
Impressive.
Makes me think of how long it takes one to stop.
That small area of steel-on-steel contact is what reduces friction to the point that allows millions of tons to roll along efficiently.
I was thinking it had something to do with rolling resistance.
Plus I've wondered the rails ain't flat.
Now I know. And knowing is half the battle.[/G.I.Joe]
The other day I saw something I'd never seen before. Train was going by when I got to the crossing. I sat there a minute watching the cars go by. A couple of minutes go by, prolly a quarter-half mile of train...and there, in the middle of this train, was an engine. Just one, all by his lonesome. And then another half mile o' train. Never seen that. I'm wondering if he was on the job, helping move the train, or if they just needed to get a locomotive somewhere.
ETA:
I just realized...I don't think I heard that engine. Does locomotives got neutral?
A couple of minutes go by, prolly a quarter-half mile of train...and there, in the middle of this train, was an engine. Just one, all by his lonesome. And then another half mile o' train. Never seen that. I'm wondering if he was on the job, helping move the train, or if they just needed to get a locomotive somewhere.
They could have had two trains join up on a section of track their routes shared.
Sounds like he's saying no locomotive at either end, just one in the middle.
I assume there was/were engine(s) at the front, I was late for that scene. Nothing at the rear.
WTF kind of sedans is the UP looking at?!
16 feet long, 5 feet tall?
I don't know what sedan, nor when that was made. 747's have been around since 1970 and it wouldn't be an unreasonable approximation during that time.
Ok, we haz train trains.
We haz road trains.
Today I learned that we haz
air train.
That Skytrain is ripe for Skyjacking a bunch of travelers after they've come through the duty free liquor shop. :yesnod:
Sometimes you don't need a flatcar, just the wheels...
Choo Choo plows be large...
Choo Choo plow...
Sounds like my last date...:D
The other day I saw something I'd never seen before. Train was going by when I got to the crossing. I sat there a minute watching the cars go by. A couple of minutes go by, prolly a quarter-half mile of train...and there, in the middle of this train, was an engine. Just one, all by his lonesome. And then another half mile o' train. Never seen that. I'm wondering if he was on the job, helping move the train, or if they just needed to get a locomotive somewhere.
ETA:
I just realized...I don't think I heard that engine. Does locomotives got neutral?
(de-lurking because this question didn't really get answered)
Railroads often place additional locomotives on the end of a train, and sometimes in the middle. It's called
Distributed Power.
Basically, if all the power is at the head end of the train, this can put enormous stress on the couplers. Adding locomotives at the end or in the middle helps move the train more efficiently. This is especially important in hilly/mountainous areas.
It helps to remember that those big diesel locomotives are actually
diesel-electric locomotives. The diesel engines under the hoods generic electric power which is then distributed to the wheels. Nowadays, there is all kinds of fancy computer-controlled circuitry to monitor load levels and properly distribute the power to whatever axles are available, be they all at the head, in the middle, or at the end.
That said, railroads will sometimes take two trains that happen to be leaving the same yard, around the same time and going the same way, and just stick 'em together. That would also lead to seeing one or more engines in the middle of a train. Once everything is hooked up and the locomotives are all talking to each other, it is now logistically just one train to keep track of instead of two. At some yards hundreds of miles away, they'll break them back up again.
Thanks Orbert!
Nice de-lurk, btw, :welcome: back!
Thanks. It was bugging me that no one had answered your question, and I knew the answer. It doesn't happen a lot, but I try to contribute when I can.
Delurking much appreciated!
I add my voice to the thanks and welcome back you've seen.
Y'know, we could use the input... We don't charge by the post, it's clear you're pacing yourself, and doing a*heroic* job of it.
Please, consider posting more.
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Also...
I have many pics of trains, mostly locomotives gathered during our WASP Odyssey. But I catch more than I post.
Over on Gravdigr's Photo Safari I mentioned the White Tail(ed) Deer that I encountered at the Railroad Interpretive Centre, in Douglas, WY.
This was the mighty loco that I was looking at at the time.
It's a scanned print so less than perfect.
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The info board (photo to hand) says that it's a 4-8-4 steam loco #5633 of the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy Railroad, but then y'all knew that, didn't ya?
Prior to seeking out the print I mentioned the story to Dad and said that I thought that the loco would weigh in at about 200 tons.
Got that wrong, didn't I? It was 317 tons and twenty eight were built.
I wonder how often they renewed the track. :eek:
Gandy Dancer's employment assurance. ;)
I happened on push-pull at Wiki today.
Saw a train yesterday with a loco at the rear, none in the middle this time.
I guess this is something they've started doing in this neck o' the woods.
Worth noting is that the entire train was double-stacked cargo containers (four to a car), they've only started that on a regular basis (around here) a year or so ago.
Stand back or get a snow job...
High speed rail in China
bigger version at imgurThat ought to be it's own snow plow at speed. :haha:
This is an excellent description on how our Railroads and trucking work together, and why US railroads are the cheapest and most efficient in the world at moving stuff.
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And as she is today, sporting a somewhat neater paint job...
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Next month the are doing a reenactment for the 150th anniversary of driving the Golden Spike. There's a stamp for that.
It's more of a train car or trolley car, than a bus.
What the locomotives looked like at Promontory point...
Wow!
They do shine up pretty, don't they? Note to Trump: this is as clean as coal gets.
...this is as clean as coal gets.
Wrong, locomotive breath!!
:p:
LiveLeak clip showing--I'm not sure what I'm looking at here--is
this a diesel runaway reckon?
seriously over fueling, leading to a runaway.
The point engine was obviously not running properly, whether over fueled or something else, but If it's a runaway why was the second engine working?
Diesel electric train engines do not have a direct connection between the power plant and the wheels. The diesel engine is running away not the train.
Ray Magliozzi told me the other day about diesel engine with a failed turbocharger that started sucking up the crankcase oil to use as fuel.
The outcome was not good and may have looked like this at some point.
Diesel electric train engines do not have a direct connection between the power plant and the wheels. The diesel engine is running away not the train.
Oh OK, I got it now, I was thinking they'd find him in the wreck with his hand on the throttle, scalded to death by the steam.;)
maybe the second engine was in reverse
or the first engine was in neutral
I mentioned in the Field of dreams IOtD I knew some guys headed for the Utah Golden Spike anniversary celebration and Big Boy back on the rails.
Union Pacific 4014, is a four-cylinder articulated 4-8-8-4 Big Boy-class steam locomotive Built in 1941 by American Locomotive Company, it’s the only operating Big Boy of the eight that remain in existence.
UP 4014 was retired in 1959 and donated to the Railway and Locomotive Historical Society in late 1961 for display at Fairplex in Pomona, CA. In 2013, UP re-acquired Big Boy and for 6 years spent a shit-ton of money doing what the car guys call a frame off restoration and converting from coal to oil, at their Steam Shop in Cheyenne, WY. On May 1, 2019, UP 4014 ran under its own power for the first time in almost 60 years. It’s the biggest operational steam locomotive in the world, and will be used for excursion service.
Union Pacific 844 is a 4-8-4 "Northern" type steam locomotive built by the American Locomotive Company in December 1944 for the Union Pacific Railroad. Constructed as a FEF-3 class of 4-8-4's, it was the last steam locomotive delivered to Union Pacific.
Originally built for high-speed passenger work, the FEF-3 class was pressed into dual-service work. Union Pacific ended commercial steam operations in the late 1950s, but No. 844 was retained by the railroad for special activities.
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UP 844 and UP 4014 ran together the almost 500 miles from Cheyenne to Ogden, UT, for 150th anniversary of the driving of the Golden Spike at Promontory point.
They mostly ran during the day for safety because about a zillion people lined both side of the track to see Big Boy and at the same time other trains are using the same line.
I knew a couple of the guys were heading out to see Big Boy and the celebration, but I was surprised 28 showed up from the US and Canada. The Chevy dealer let them park in his lot and take a bus out to Promontory point.
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The head honcho from Union Pacific, Utah's Governor, and some other politicians gave speeches. A couple descendants of the original participants were acknowledged and it was done for another 50 years.
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There's a lot of railroad fans in the country, some being rabid. :haha:
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The pictures ain't great but I think they convey how the people there saw things. I read an interesting article recently explaining the US has the cheapest and most efficient rail freight system in the world, which surprised me.
Here's another shot of the shindig...
Last of the Baldwin Texas Locomotives...
I actually saw 4014 and 844 on their way west to Ogden, but too far away to really SEE or get a pic, plus I was going east and only saw them for a moment. Wunnerful to see them chugging along again.
Given the stated water consumption and storage capacity, does that mean the locomotive could only operate for two hours?
Plus with starting with a full boiler, yes. That's why the girls at Petticoat Junction had to watch for every train coming through when the were bathing in the water tower.
New Zealand...
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You can see
that wood here.
In the redwoods, they are called sinkers. Recovery is controversial if remunerative.
I don't see a problem with digging up the logs from the peat, as long as they aren't fucking up the whole neighborhood.
In Northern California, the sunken redwoods (usually first growth) are in old creek and river beds that were first fucked over by damning them up for log ponds.
In some of them nature and fish have returned to some extent, only to be disrupted again by digging out the saturated old logs.
OK, I can see how digging up active waterways would be bad. That's different from logs buried in peat bogs.
I agree. Cases are only generally similar.
Russian double decker. Hoi polloi up top, and servants or guards below??
Rip 'em up
Tear 'em up
Yaaay, team
There is a counterpoint between this and the recovery of gliders elsewhere on the Cellar today.
Hundreds of miles apart, perhaps coeval.
At first, I thought some of them were wearing silly hats.
They are, those are Nazi tree hats. They use them mainly in the mountains rather than the cities... and decorating for Christmas. ;)
Stalin's transpolar railroad...
When the Soviets failed they failed big.
Isn't that the Russian line they were talking about extending into Alaska by tunnel?
I think OSHA would have something to say about the work conditions on that RR.
No problem, they had an inexhaustible supply of labor. Losing a few tens of thousands didn't matter. :rolleyes:
Studebakers with the Broadway Limited...
Bat train...
Any more info on that one please, Bruce?
What, where, etc?
The site where I saw it there were just a couple of not clear pictures. Googling the tumbler picture title, tumblr_pg8lzjbZ8I1uryk28o1_1280.jpg, gives me a French engine
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PO_231_726_car%C3%A9n%C3%A9e.jpgMany thanks!
I did a bit more digging and found that it started off life like this...
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LINK (French language website and yes, I cheated).
It would make a hell of a snow plow.
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So would this...
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Better yet stay inside...
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Can you imagine Jack and Rose in the prow at 100 MPH?
Is there currently a train in the Western Hemisphere that does a hundred?
I love cutaways.
Can you imagine Jack and Rose in the prow at 100 MPH?
Is there currently a train in the Western Hemisphere that does a hundred?
I love cutaways.
We had one a couple years back that was doing 78 mph.
Through the curve rated for 35 mph.
Not actually through the curve, more like through the guardrail and down onto the freeway. Oops.
See the IOtD 8-7-19. I'd embiggen it.
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Video made this very morning. I can vouch for references to 40mph gusts as they've been battering us all day as well.
The electric multiple unit nearly spoils the day!
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Interestingly, there wasn't a diesel loco in tow.
One is usually tagged on at the back, to assist in the event of the steam loco suffering a problem.
www.clan-line.org.ukThis looks like a UK locomotive, could be Scotland, Wales, or India though.
This looks like a UK locomotive, could be Scotland, Wales, or India though.
From the scenery I'd have said India at first glance.
A bit of inspired internet ferreting says it's Italy!
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Google Translation...
The 740-278 locomotive returns to devour the rails on 2 April thanks to the efforts of the National Museum of Transport and the Ferrovie dello Stato Foundation.
This morning the redevelopment of the boiler and the journey with the historic train scheduled for Easter Monday were presented.
Good ferreting, thank you Sir. :thumb:
Camelbacks... hope the boiler blows down. :eyebrow:
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A couple Soda Locomotives were imported for use in NY, but the only ones built here were by Baldwin in Philly for use in Michigan.
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Two out of three so train thread...
Historic Union Pacific 'Big Boy' Rolls Through Oklahoma for 150th Transcontinental Railroad Anniversary
Below is a screen grab from video at the link, it is not a video player:
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Da's a bigga boy!
I'd like to have a penny for every picture/video that's been taken of 4014 since it was restored.
British Rail in the snow...
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Long journey with no facilities, so passengers cook...
Long journey with no facilities, so passengers cook...
If there were passengers on that train, they probably did.
Cook, that is.
Kind of "gas stove" not detailed, must be all flammable materials inside, fanned by high speed for 20 minutes before it stopped, most fatalities from jumping off.
Holy crap!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWc84XG9V2EIt said gas cylinder so probably LPG or propane.
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It's unfortunate to say the least, but these things happen and nobody was hurt...
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Some better views in happier circumstances...
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That is one hardworking engine.
Snowdrift at Bleath Gill...
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Everyone in the film looks old beyond their years.
Given that it was only ten years after the end of WW2, many of those featured will have been in the armed forces or served on the railways during those years.
Coupled with the fact that food rationing didn't finally end until July 1954 and the country was still pretty much worn out, it's not surprising that time took its toll on people.
The line closed in 1962 but left its mark on the landscape.
This is the section of the track in the video.
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This
Street View link shows the track as it is today viewed from the bridge at the RHS of the above screen shot.
There's an interesting, if somewhat long, blog post about the area here:
Bleath Gill: Whatever Happened to the Heroes?
Incidentally, the rescued locomotive is preserved in operational order at the Great Central Railway.
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That was really cool, worth a watch.
When British Railways phased out steam traction in the 1960s, most of the locomotives ended in up in Woodham's scrapyard in Barry, South Wales.
Over the years, many engines were bought by preservation groups and, after lengthy, extensive and costly work, returned to service on various lines around the country.
A great many are still providing sterling service but they won't last for ever and there are no more in the scrap yard to resurrect so what do you do?
Well, build a new one from scratch, obviously!
The new build steam locomotive Tornado may look like something from a bygone age but it was, in fact, completed in 2008, built from scratch by a dedicated team of volunteers.
In the last decade the engine has found fame on large and small screen, appearing in the PADDINGTON 2 movie and starring in Top Gear’s ‘Race to the North’.
Tornado is also famed for reaching 100mph in secret night time tests in 2017, making it the first steam locomotive to reach such high speeds since the 1960s.
A first for preservation – The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust, a registered charity, built Peppercorn class A1 Pacific No. 60163 Tornado at its Darlington Locomotive Works.
Fitted with additional water capacity and the latest railway safety electronics, Tornado is fully equipped for today’s main line railway.
The A1 class was designed by Arthur H Peppercorn for the London & North Eastern Railway and 49 were built in 1948/49 by British Railways.
However, following modernisation, all were scrapped by 1966.
After 18 years of construction and fundraising the £3 million locomotive was completed in August 2008, the first main line steam locomotive to be built for the UK since 1961.
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When you've built one you might as well build another....
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...and James May lent a hand.
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https://www.a1steam.com/
The 'locomotives graveyard' where hundreds of old engines were saved from the scrapheap
Wonderful stuff and not a metric measurement in sight.;)
The new build steam locomotive Tornado may look like something from a bygone age but it was, in fact, completed in 2008,...
If they built it to look like a modern streamlined locomotive the public would ignore it, worse not even notice it. Hard to build a fan club that way.
The Steam Horse was used in a couple locations where heavy loads had to be pushed up an incline.
Brunton tried to get more customers but during a demonstration the boiler blew up recording the first death by boiler in rail history.
This is a shame, if I was climbing on it and fell I'd get a slap upside the head and told to wipe up the blood.
Now everybody and their lawyer is looking for that golden ticket.
That's to bad. I would love to climb on that engine.
Now if city kids want to climb on stuff, they need to join a climbing gym, pay $150 a month and have their parents sign hold harmless waivers.
Now if city kids want to climb on stuff, they need to join a climbing gym, pay $150 a month and have their parents sign hold harmless waivers.
This is what we've become.
When a corn car springs a leak...
Suspiciously neat, with nothing outside the rails. :eyebrow:
It's possible. Corn hauled in a hopper car that had one of the hatches underneath open just a little as the train is moving along would be a lot like a good dump truck driver spreading gravel.
Yeah, anything is possible but it looks more like a dirty carpet. :haha:
Years ago a semi with a bladder full of plywood glue sprung a leak on Hwy 101 north of San Francisco.
The trail of fast drying goo went from Marin County nearly to Humboldt and was easily visible for a year or more, an instant landmark.
I have always wondered about the scene when it got to its destination, empty.
Good find Jim.
Awhile back we had picture of a truckload of molten Aluminum that got dumped on a highway. That got everyone's attention. :lol:
I still have trouble with the idea of mobile molten aluminum.
The hottest hot tub in town. :thepain:
I still have trouble with the idea of mobile molten aluminum.
This is an extract from my post here:
Post #1966 (Interesting Graphs and Charts).
Some years ago International Alloys in Aylesbury sent tanker loads of molten aluminium to their plant in Birmingham, a journey of about 75 miles.
I have a vague recollection that the load would lose 1 deg F for every mile travelled.
I assume that the tank was exceptionally well insulated and that some form of heating was involved, but the consequences of an accident didn't bear thinking about.
Which prompted Bruce to post this:
This is what happens.I remember that. Now you have renewed my uneasiness with the process. :)
I bet this looks spooky under a full moon...
Canada was a big train booster...
Speaking of Canadian trains...
Now I gotta go listen to Roy Acuff...
ETA: That's a pretty still day.
Yeah, the headlight shows the mist isn't moving as well as the steam and smoke.
We climb every mountain, sail every sea, as nature permits, only as nature permits. :haha:
I was reading yesterday, up in Ottawa 1942, it took them five days to chop the ice off the tracks to get the street cars moving.
Choo choo choo, looks like the third engine is burning some real nasty low quality soft coal. :eyebrow:
Livery of Canadian Locomotives...
Surprisingly little difference (18 mph) between wheeled and magnetic levitation top speeds. Both records in special setups, BTW.
Various factors have sure done a job on US rail.
US rail is different than the rest of the world as their main concern is moving people where ours is freight. Freight doesn't have to move at 200 mph, more concerned with tonnage, longer distances, and as cheap as possible.
New Zealand earthquake...
I love telephoto lens compression. It really shows the curvy track. Obviously it's bad enough to replace, but how bad is it really? Could a train have navigated it as slow speed?
What makes you think it's compressed, the shadow of the utility pole is spaced properly.
I'm not saying it's digitally altered in any way. I'm saying the choice of the lens and the location of the photographer both really accentuate the curve of the track. If you were to take an aerial shot of the track, it wouldn't look nearly as curvy as it does from this angle with this lens at this distance.
Look at the two guys. They look like they are standing maybe 3 feet from each other.
But when you look closely, the guy between the rails is lined up roughly with the shadow of the front of the white truck.
The guy who is bent over is lined up (to my eye) a little bit closer to the camera than the shadow at the rear of the truck. The truck is roughly 20 feet long. Those guys are roughly 20-30 feet from each other, but they look like they are right next to each other. That because of how the picture was taken with a telephoto lens.
Similarly, the track had the bends to it, and we might think those bends occur in about 20 feet or so of track length, but I bet it's more like 100 feet of track length. I have no real way of knowing based only on this picture. I can't see the ties clearly enough to count them.
Now this is a buckled track...
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I have seen that rail pic before and wondered why the track seemed to have moved more that then rail bed.
There has been a lot of discussion. Here is a good one:
https://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2010/11/02/the-canterbury-earthquake-images-of-the-distorted-railway-line/That was the 2010 New Zealand quake. I can't tell where the front of the truck is or what's part of the backhoe or whatever is shadowed.
https://www.civildefence.govt.nz/resources/photo-library/earthquakes/
Damn, that link of Jim's is interesting but hard to read scrolling back and forth horizontally.
A lot of the links are dead after 10 years, the aerial video would have been interesting.
What I did pick up is...
magnitude 7.1 earthquake
a 22 km surface rupture
4 m of horizontal displacement
9m bent track removed
135mm lens
The link I posted is about the photograph above. In fact, it contains that pic.
Did you read what I wrote?
Remember the miles of Union Pacific locomotives sidelined? This is part of the reason...
It's amazing the space those things take up. 50 miles!
That's like the calculated length of the lines to vote with social distancing in Wisconsin.
or at least some small fraction thereof.
Did you read what I wrote?
Bruce: If you were talking to me, yes.
If you were talking to someone else, the answer is still yes.
I also had trouble with the wide screen and I am afraid it deterred me from reading the whole thing.
Yes you, I mentioned the information was from your link. Pain in the ass that it was I still got quite a bit from it, just took awhile. I'm pretty sure the OP and the similar view above were taken with a 130mm lens from the locomotive shown in the reverse direction pictures. The people insisting photoshop were pretty much shut down by people who were there. Much of the rail shape was not from shaking back and forth like I thought, but by the track securely fastened at two ends being compressed so they had to remove 9 meters of track.
After all that, rake some gravel and splice in two 30 foot sections of rail. Piece of cake.
I first read 9m as miles, but figured that was for the whole event.
This is about trains.
I don't recommend it, but thanks to TYWKIWDBI anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NvK1KpRTEs&feature=youtu.beThat's not what a train horn sounds like.:mad2:
The pumps on that truck are *entirely* adequate. But I wonder where the water supply is, probably in a tanker car or cars somewhere behind.
I wondered that also, those three would go through a shitload of water in just a few minutes.
And fighting forest fires a few minutes rarely does the job.
That rig was Fred Weyerhaeuser's idea.
Looks like they're pre-soaking to prevent a fire from reaching the railroad, rather than putting out active fires.
Or just showing off with three hoses going full blast and mostly up.
Hey, here comes Sparky...
That needs one of those fire engine cars.
Like those Trains in China. There is a picture of them in the cellar. Probably in this thread.
See the IOtD 8-7-19. I'd embiggen it.
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This is what I was thinking of in that earlier post.
The Brits poured tons of money into their railroad lines...
It's good to be a bricklayer.
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The first structure is the Ouse Valley viaduct which carries the London to Brighton railway line.
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We can't lay claim to the second example as it appears to be the Göltzsch Viaduct in Germany.
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LinkRailroads and bricks. Beautiful.
There are many amazing things in the two links.
Two top ones are "The Göltzsch Viaduct was an extraordinarily large endeavor for its time. Each day, the nearly 20 brickyards along the railway line would produce 50,000 bricks ..."
And for the London-Brighton line "a decision to limit gradients along the line to 1 in 264."
Nice! Reminds me of a
viaduct you go under when driving from Lake Alden PA to Binghamton NY. In the middle of nowhere, you come across this magnificent structure running literally through people's back yards.
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It's good to be a bricklayer.
Hey, look! It's The Cap'n!
How goes it, ya old Tarheel?! Good to see ya posting.
Nice! Reminds me of a viaduct you go under when driving from Lake Alden PA to Binghamton NY. In the middle of nowhere, you come across this magnificent structure running literally through people's back yards.
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It is in fact a cool structure.
Hey tarheel, welcome back!
Hey tarheel, welcome back!
What everybody said.
You could build an entire film around that beauty.
Dr Evil's personal train?
Where the trains aren't...
I wonder if that includes spaces that are now trails with no tracks previously occupied by trains.
I'd assume it does, train routes that use to was. For all we know it could include old right of ways that have changed hands and been developed, built on.
Is it any wonder there were plenty of takers for postings in India, Africa, and other warm spots?
I thought that was the UK at first but the semaphore signals didn't look right.
Its Namur, Belgium, taken in 1938.
Courtesy of Google Translate...
Exit from Namur station, 1938. A picture by Belgian photographer Léonard Misonne.
Link in German.To think what was in store for Belgium in 1938.
To think what was in store for Belgium in 1938.
That crossed my mind as well.
From Wuppertal, Germany:
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From Wuppertal, Germany:
There was a little cleaning up and rebuilding in between. I'm pretty impressed that they rebuilt so closely to the original.
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I thought that was the UK at first but the semaphore signals didn't look right.
Its Namur, Belgium, taken in 1938.
Courtesy of Google Translate...
Link in German.
The site I found it on claimed it was Britain, but Belgium is close enough for the noir. :blush:
