Aircraft

Carruthers • Sep 16, 2015 1:15 pm
In my teenage years I had an all consuming interest in aviation. Anything with man made wings and an engine or two would attract my attention.
It wasn’t just the aircraft themselves, it was also how they were operated. Navigation, routes, procedures all fascinated me.

I eventually obtained a Private Pilot’s Licence and although competent enough, I was never a natural.
I can say, with all due modesty, that my landings were usually pretty good. However some stretched the definition of ’landing’ beyond its elastic limit.
I think that they could be better described as ’arrivals’.
Of the bone crunchingly ’firm’ sort.

Eventually, I rather lost interest but a year or two ago it was rekindled to casual observer status.
Most of the aircraft I see here on a daily basis tend to be fairly unremarkable.
There’s the early morning rush of arrivals from the US and Canada and the corresponding conveyor belt of departures in the afternoon.

A number of Air New Zealand’s extended range Boeing 777s used on the Auckland-Los Angeles-London route, are truly eye catching in their special livery and I’ve shown a couple of the best here..
These two represent the Hobbit films which were made in New Zealand and help promote the country as a tourist destination.

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And here's how it was done...

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BigV • Sep 16, 2015 1:43 pm
Their planes are purty, and their safety videos are.. epic. These are some with a Hobbit theme, then several with a different flavor. All are awesome.

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Betty White, Old Skool.
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Nakey people
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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 16, 2015 10:21 pm
They've taken this opportunity to grab an identity other than "Near Australia", and run with it. Not just businesses, like the airline, but the government has worked it into some legislation, trade agreements. I heard making disparaging remarks about Tolkien's work is treason. I've read, but can't verify, much of the population has embraced this fever.
Sundae • Sep 17, 2015 6:27 am
I so wish you could come here, Carr.
Despite simply the pleasure of your company.

Dad's interest in aeroplanes has waned in line with the ascension of his dementia, but even he was like a little boy again watching the planes from Leeds/ Bradford airport appear and disappear over the Chevin. They are far lower than you ever see them in Aylesbury and its environs.

If he'd been here five years ago I know we'd have taken the 33a up close to the airport.
And ten years ago he'd have been driving and we'd have gone to the Yorkshire Air Museum (probably dropping Mum off for a Spa Day somewhere!)
Carruthers • Sep 17, 2015 11:57 am
Another of Air New Zealand's special liveries.
Unlike the other two, the aircraft was delivered from Boeing in this colour scheme which honours the NZ Rugby Team aka the 'All Blacks'.

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All Black 777-300ER Unveiling (Behind The Scenes)

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Gravdigr • Sep 17, 2015 5:20 pm
I don't think I've ever heard an aircraft, and not looked up to marvel at it. Not as a child, and not as an alleged adult. Still do it today. Every time. I'll even get up and go outside when I hear a helicopter, or low-flying plane.
glatt • Sep 17, 2015 5:54 pm
Too much air traffic around here for me to leave the house and look up, but if I'm outside or near a window I will always look.
plthijinx • Sep 17, 2015 6:49 pm
anytime, every time I see or hear a plane or chopper I have to look. It's second nature to me
sexobon • Sep 17, 2015 8:38 pm
I once jumped one of these contraptions, the French Puma. Rescue and firefighting versions were made with a small trap door in the floor. Enclosed by the aircraft, it felt like stepping into an elevator - going down!

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 17, 2015 10:48 pm
glatt;939395 wrote:
Too much air traffic around here for me to leave the house and look up, but if I'm outside or near a window I will always look.

Same here, Philly flight path.
Griff • Sep 18, 2015 7:45 am
sexobon;939412 wrote:
I once jumped one of these contraptions, the French Puma. Rescue and firefighting versions were made with a small trap door in the floor. Enclosed by the aircraft, it felt like stepping into an elevator - going down!

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That is..................... awesome.
Carruthers • Sep 26, 2015 10:15 am
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The last airworthy Vulcan bomber flies in formation with the Red Arrows RAF aerobatic team at Southport Air Show earlier this month.

The Vulcan was one of the RAF’s three Cold War nuclear ‘V bombers‘, the others being the Victor and the Valiant .

The aircraft has long been of some fascination to me, not just because of its unique design, but because on three occasions Vulcans landed at a rather small grass airfield at nearby RAF Halton.

Halton was the home to the RAF’s No 1 School of Technical Training where most of the ground trades associated with keeping aircraft flying, were taught.

Although the station, measured by numbers of personnel, was large, the airfield was only suited to smaller aircraft.

When instructional airframes were needed they were flown in, if of suitable size, or dismantled and brought in by road..

In the late 1960s a considerable number of Vulcans were in service and engineering trainees needed ‘hands on’ instruction.

In the space of a few years three examples were flown into the station and landed on a grass runway about 1250yds long.

Landings were planned for a time of the year when the ground would be at its driest, and into as strong a head wind as possible.

The aircraft also had a minimum fuel load to keep landing weight down. All three landed safely and were used for ground instruction over several years.


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This aerial photo was taken in 1971. Two of the aircraft, in all white colour scheme, can be seen on the grass south of the hangars.

They were of earlier marks and had been superseded by the camouflaged version which is visible at the northern end of the concrete apron.

The display aircraft is appearing at air shows around the country before retirement this year as the companies which inherited the design no longer which to provide support for it.

Here's the display routine at this year's Royal International Air Tattoo at RAF Fairford.

The full power, almost vertical climb, is executed at 6.40, 9.10 and 10.20.

The final climb is the most impressive.

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Vulcan to the Sky.
Gravdigr • Sep 26, 2015 2:45 pm
So long Li'l Buckeye, we hardly knew ye.

U.S. Navy retires the last 3 T-2 Buckeye trainer jets.

Scads of pilots learned their way around carriers by training in the T-2. Generations, really, as the Buckeye was in service for 56 years.
Gravdigr • Sep 26, 2015 2:47 pm
Loving the Vulcan, btw. It shares one spectacular facet with the SR-71...They both look absolutely sinister.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 27, 2015 4:09 am
That's FREEDOM you're seeing.
Funny how freedom looks sinister so often, to so many. :rolleyes:
Carruthers • Sep 27, 2015 3:38 pm
Just to tie up a couple of loose ends re the Vulcan.

During the Falklands War, a Vulcan was used in a raids against Argentinian positions on the islands, the first being on the airfield at Port Stanley.

Operation Black Buck had seven planned raids, of which five were completed.

At 6,800 nautical miles (round trip) they were, at the time, the longest range bombing operations in history.

The Vulcan was a medium range aircraft, being designed for attacks on the Soviet Union and other Warsaw Pact countries, consequently an in flight refuelling plan had to be devised.

The raids were carried out from Ascension Island and the attack aircraft was supported by eleven tankers.

Some of the tanker aircraft were used to refuel other tankers so they could transfer fuel to the Vulcan at extended range.

On the first raid, the Vulcan was refuelled seven times on the outward journey and once on the return leg.

There's a graphic showing the refuelling plan here:

Wikipedia - Operation Black Buck.


An animation of the refuelling scheme is featured in this video:

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This Ch 4 programme was shown in 2012 on the thirtieth anniversary of the Falklands War.

If you have a reasonably fast connection it's worth downloading.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 27, 2015 4:09 pm
On the first raid, the Vulcan was refuelled seven times on the outward journey and once on the return leg.

Say what? OK, heavy bomb load, head winds, stopped for lunch, but 7 to 1?
Oh, I know one way was Imperial gallons and the other way was metric gallons. :eyebrow:
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2015 5:29 pm
The story of the two pilots who managed to get their P-40s off the ground at Pearl Harbor.

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2015 7:48 am
Why Hitler thought they could win, and why they didn't.

It started in July of 1940, and was intense, but wasn't non-stop. On one day, September 7, nearly 1,000 bombers struck at London. The planes filled a 20 mile wide(32 km), 40 mile long(64 km), 2 mile thick(3 km), hunk of sky. That attack on London resulted in 300 civilians dead, and another 1,300 injured. That's because the Brits were cowering in bomb shelters, instead of coming out with their faces painted half blue, and shaking their fists at the sky, while cursing the bombers, like real heroes. :haha:

There’s no official end-date to the Battle of Britain, but many historians say it occurred in late October 1940 when German planes switched from day raids to night raids over the cities and Midland factories. This switch in tactics signified that the RAF was winning the battle and was very much in control of the skies.

In total the RAF lost about 1,500 aircraft, the Luftwaffe over 2,000. Compared what was to come, however, it proved to be a rather small affair. The Blitz resulted in over 90,000 civilian casualties, of which 40,000 were fatal.

In the end however, the Blitz changed the complexion of the war, and the resolve of British citizens who saw it as a moral victory. What’s more, it justified the British bombing of Germany and did much to sway the opinion of the war in the United States.

That little dust up changed the face of war forever, now air power was crucial and civilians were not just fair game, but basic strategy. Brutal, but looking at the WW I trench warfare, sending waves of cannon fodder while the folks at home were only following the action in the newspapers, it might have been for the better.
Elspode • Oct 1, 2015 7:33 pm
Carruthers;940056 wrote:
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The last airworthy Vulcan bomber flies in formation with the Red Arrows RAF aerobatic team at Southport Air Show earlier this month.



I think the Vulcan is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built. It has always fascinated me.
Gravdigr • Oct 4, 2015 10:41 am
"Excuse me, is this part of the in-flight entertainment?"

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sexobon • Oct 4, 2015 10:52 am
They forgot to throw out the anchor on the other side too.
Gravdigr • Oct 4, 2015 11:01 am
Idk what happened there...Comments were all over the place. He did it on purpose, he didn't do it on purpose. He hit something in the water, he was trying not to hit something in the water.

I checked (a little, very little) and, World Stunt Landing appears to not be a thing.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 5, 2015 9:06 pm
The early aircraft fired the imagination of millions, and instantly became the best pantie remover since alcohol. So naturally they became a subject of songs, as moon, June, spoon, was getting old. They hoped aircraft songs would spark some adrenaline and spending. Not that everyone in the music business is a crass money grubber, only the ones who control the business half. :haha:
Carruthers • Oct 20, 2015 2:24 pm
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Icelandair Boeing 757 in Aurora Borealis livery.

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glatt • Oct 20, 2015 2:33 pm
I have very fond memories of Icelandair. I don't remember much about the airline or flight, but their deal where you can stop over in Iceland for a day to and/or from Europe is a really cool deal. A day to explore another country for no addition cost, especially when the country is as geologically interesting as Iceland is, is a sweet opportunity.
Gravdigr • Oct 20, 2015 3:37 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 20, 2015 6:32 pm
Aircraft abuse, po little plane. Image
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 24, 2015 3:19 am
Ima gonna drop this spacey right here. ;)
glatt • Oct 24, 2015 6:05 am
I have one of those patches in a box somewhere
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 24, 2015 2:13 pm
A real man would staple... no, wait... nail it to his chest. :vikingsmi











Just writing that made me cringe.
Carruthers • Oct 28, 2015 12:33 pm
The world's last airworthy Vulcan bomber has completed its final flight, which had to be kept secret until the last minute for fear huge crowds would attend.

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Vulcan XH558, a restored nuclear bomber, takes-off for its final flight at Doncaster's Robin Hood Airport


The only remaining flying Vulcan bomber has landed for the last time.

The distinctive delta-winged Cold War aircraft, which once carried Britain's nuclear deterrent, took off from Doncaster Robin Hood Airport for a short final trip on Wednesday afternoon.

Organisers had kept details of the final flight secret until the last minute over fears that dangerously large crowds would throng the airport for one last chance to see the aircraft.

A final nationwide tour held earlier this month was nearly cancelled after police concerns they would be unable to handle an influx of thousands of enthusiasts turning up at once.

Hundreds of thousands are believed to have glimpsed Vulcan XH558 as it spent two days doing flypasts around the country a fortnight ago.

Martin Withers, who led the 1982 Vulcan raids on the Falklands, was the pilot for the final flight.

As he prepared, he said: "Everyone asks me what is so special about this aircraft and why people love it. Really the people who fly it are the wrong people to ask. It's such a combination of grace and beauty of just seeing this thing fly.

"Just to see it fly along, it's so graceful. And then that combines with the sense of power and manoeuvrability you've got with this aircraft and the vibrations it makes. It just seems to turn people on emotionally, they really love it."


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Former pilot Angus Laird added: "I think it's very, very sad but we all come to a time when we stop flying. She's an old lady now and she's stopped at the height of her popularity, which I think is brilliant."

XH558, which first came into RAF service in 1960, has been kept in the air by a volunteer trust since 2007.

This summer, millions of people have watched it as it has made a farewell tour of the UK before its permit-to-fly expires at the end of October.

The Vulcan To The Sky Trust, which brought the 55-year-old aircraft back to flight eight years ago, has accepted advice from supporting companies that they no longer have the expertise to keep it airworthy as engineers retire from the industry.

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Vulcan XH558 at Doncaster's Robin Hood Airport

XH558 will stay in its Cold War hangar at Robin Hood Airport - once RAF Finningley - where the trust is planning a visitor centre and also to continue "fast taxiing" the massive bomber around the runways.

The trust had to keep details of Wednesday's final flight under wraps until the last minute as the aircraft has become such a popular attraction.

Airport officials feared news of the event could attract thousands of spectators, endangering its normal operations.

John Sharman, chairman of the trust, said: "It's a sad day but its also a day of optimism in many ways.

"Today marks the end of the beginning of this life of Vulcans because we have huge plans for the future.

"We will preserve this aeroplane for the nation in working order, if not in flying order, for the future as the centrepiece of a heritage centre."

Mr Sharman said: "She is very beautiful, she is very powerful, she is is totally unique, totally distinct. And that delta shape seems to inspire both young and old."

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Daily Telegraph

I last saw XH558 a few years ago when it flew a display routine at a small local air show.
Even at some distance, when the aircraft was flying under full power, you could 'feel' the noise as well as hear it.
It actually made the chest cavity vibrate. It was a remarkable aircraft, and even those who knew little about aircraft, and probably cared less, would watch.
Mercifully it was never called upon to lob a nuke at Ivan.
Gravdigr • Oct 28, 2015 12:41 pm
So long Vulcan, we hardly knew ye.
Gravdigr • Oct 28, 2015 12:44 pm
A Harrier Jet Once Landed on Cargo Ship on Top of a Minivan

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Carruthers • Oct 28, 2015 12:54 pm
Gravdigr;943648 wrote:
A Harrier Jet Once Landed on Cargo Ship on Top of a Minivan


A rather uncomfortable interview of the 'hats on' variety and without tea and biccies no doubt followed in short order.
Gravdigr • Oct 28, 2015 1:27 pm
Just found this:

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Carruthers • Oct 28, 2015 2:07 pm
They were pretty lucky to have been able to walk away from that one.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 28, 2015 2:07 pm
Turn your phone sideways, damn it.
I wonder how high off the ground they were when they hit the trees?
I didn't hear an Oh Shit, you know, the shorthand for seatbelts fastened, tray tables up and locked, seat upright, head between your knees, to warn the passengers.
Carruthers • Nov 14, 2015 11:11 am
The An 225 always attracts attention when it operates into a UK airport.
By sheer good luck I happened to see it when it was on its way to East Midlands airport near Derby a year or so ago.
Only one example has been constructed and it was originally intended to transport the Russian Buran space shuttle.
Have a look at the landing gear as it does a 180 at the end of the runway.


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Gravdigr • Nov 14, 2015 4:49 pm
No audio, b-roll video:

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Lamplighter • Nov 14, 2015 5:32 pm
If the Government ever throws one of these away...

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...will it come back all by itself ?

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plthijinx • Nov 16, 2015 8:02 pm
Carruthers;943653 wrote:
They were pretty lucky to have been able to walk away from that one.


what surprises me the most is the pilot turning around and asking as if nothing happened, "you guys alright?"

Makes me wonder how many times he'd done that before?
plthijinx • Nov 16, 2015 8:13 pm
In this video, made 11/15/15, is the jet that I will be taking my SIC (second in command) training so I'll have something to fall back on and/or part time job while doing my engineering gig. Here is Brian (right seat) taking the test flight which he was kind enough to let me ride along so I'd know what to expect when I do mine here shortly (whenever I get up the $3500 for the training and also my medical back from the FAA).

anyway, this is a short field/maximum takeoff performance demonstration from T41 (Pearland Regional) that really was so. Full fuel (285 gals jet-a each wing and 4 people on board) followed by an approach and landing in Galveston (KGLS)

can't wait to take the test myself! :D

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Gravdigr • Nov 20, 2015 12:36 pm
I guess some of you have heard about that brand spankin' new AC-130J "Ghostrider" that went inverted while out of control, and sustained too many G's, and was subsequently retired from service.


Here is a story about damn near the very same thing (different cause), only this one lived to fly again.

Very interesting read.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 20, 2015 2:42 pm
“wrong choice of action during an operation.”

Promote that sumbitch, he's obviously Pentagon material.

That was the [SIZE="4"]7th[/SIZE] time those life rafts popped out like a teenage boner?
Bout time to work on that problem.:eyebrow:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 14, 2015 11:25 pm
Nighttime carrier takeoff of a V-22 Osprey, shows the transition of the rotors from vertical to horizontal flight.
Gravdigr • Dec 17, 2015 3:45 pm
Kinda Christamas-y.

I wonder how the rotor tips are lit/lighted?

Suppose it's the running lights shining on them?

Nevermind, both rotor's tips are green, running lights are red & green.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2015 4:27 pm
I was thinking the green light/reflector may be only on one blade tip per side to make the slinky that clear.
Pamela • Dec 17, 2015 7:35 pm
They have lights in the rotor tips to prevent rotor strikes when landing troops at night. They are NVG compatible for night formation flying and can be seen from above and below. Top and bottom light intensity is controllable by the crew.

Here is a pic

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2015 7:39 pm
That looks like a helicopter blade.
Gravdigr • Dec 18, 2015 1:25 pm
Shouldn't it?:eyebrow:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 18, 2015 1:39 pm
Not for a V-22.
Gravdigr • Dec 18, 2015 1:48 pm
Vertical is vertical, is it not?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 18, 2015 4:04 pm
Yes it is, and horizontal is horizontal. However the V-22 is both, or neither, or something else, but uses a different type of blade.
John Sellers • Dec 18, 2015 10:37 pm
xoxoxoBruce;948907 wrote:
Yes it is, and horizontal is horizontal. However the V-22 is both, or neither, or something else, but uses a different type of blade.


IDK much about military aircraft, but judging from the Wiki-article just read, I'd say both. The V-22 Osprey is a V/STOL aircraft.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 18, 2015 11:21 pm
Yes it is, take off and land vertically, fly horizontally, but the point was the blades are unlike helicopter blades.
Gravdigr • Dec 19, 2015 4:53 pm
xoxoxoBruce;948798 wrote:
That looks like a helicopter blade.


xoxoxoBruce;948940 wrote:
...but the point was the blades are unlike helicopter blades.


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Beest • Dec 19, 2015 11:03 pm
They look too short and wide for helicopter blades.

Drifting back to how the RAF won the Battle of Britian, I watched documentaries on the first world and Battle of Britain and they said exactly the same thing about both conflicts.
"We would fly sorties all day and might lose 5 or 6 aircraft, by the morning of the next day there would 5 or 6 replacement aircraft on the airstrip."

Manufacturing capacity was significant factor
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 19, 2015 11:29 pm
Perspective is deceiving. The Chinook has a 60 ft rotor diameter, the Apache is 50 ft and the V-22 38 ft, those are the three I built. But the V-22 blade is a completely different shape and not metal.

Oh god yes, I've heard people, mostly Europeans, saying the US didn't do shit, jumped in at the last minute and claims to have saved the world. However they overlook the fact that the US was a producing motherfucker. We were knocking out ships and planes, and tanks and weapons and ammo like nobody ever could, or had. Yes, Virginia, we did make a difference.
Pamela • Dec 20, 2015 7:19 pm
It IS possible that the blade in question is not actually one from a V22. It is a picture of the type of light found on the blades of a V22 as well as numerous other rotorcraft.

Sheesh! Bloody perfectionists! :D
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 20, 2015 9:06 pm
My original question was does each blade have a light in the tip or only one of the three. I asked this because the light trail in the night take off picture was so clear. I don't know because that ain't my job, they were installed over in flight test. It would make sense to have all the blades the same and interchangeable, but we're talking about the military so sense doesn't count, they're libel to have a light in each blade and only power one on each engine, or some dumb shit.

OK, I had to go find out, ya whining maggots. According to the Aviationist...
the CV-22s have two NVG (Night Vision Goggle) compatible dual mode LED “tip lights” on the end of each rotor blade whose brightness can be controlled by the aircrew: one visible from above, the other from the bottom

So yes, each tip, like the helicopters.
fargon • Dec 29, 2015 2:24 pm
I found this here; http://www.plus613.net/image/441
Gravdigr • Jan 5, 2016 4:36 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2016 12:03 am
December 7th, 1941. You've seen a million pictures of Pearl Harbor Navel Base, but here's Wheeler Army Airfield, near Schofield Barracks, in Honolulu, taken by a Jap pilot.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2016 9:54 pm
I don't know how fast the thing was falling, but that's a pretty good shot to snag that in the air.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 8, 2016 1:55 am
Chopping up the fleet with the "guillotine".
Pamela • Jan 8, 2016 9:35 pm
Makes me kinda want to cry....

All those venerable beauties, all that lost nose art, all that history!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 8, 2016 10:39 pm
Yes, but the war was over and we had to show the world how peace loving we are. A gentle giant, the Mother Teresa of nations. :hearts:



Besides, some people with friends in high places could make a fortune with that scrap aluminum.

And the military-industrial complex would make a fortune selling bigger badder bombers.
Carruthers • Jan 10, 2016 1:25 pm
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A British aircraft belonging to Imperial Airways is refuelled at Semakh, Palestine (now Israel) in October, 1931 during British rule. Transformed from a black and white original, the photo has been brought up to date by a skilled teenager working out of his bedroom. American student Jared Enos (18) from Rhode Island confessed he never had an interest in art, but found a connection with "colourisation" and the reviving of old black and white photographs.


It's quite astonishing how aviation has developed in less than a century.
From flights several taking days with stops at rough desert airstrips to flights that can whisk you to another continent in the space of a few hours.

For a high definition version of the above image, go to Wikipedia and click on the fourth image down. Handley Page H.P.42
Carruthers • Jan 10, 2016 1:36 pm
One modern day intercontinental flight that took somewhat longer than a few hours.

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http://www.birdinabiplane.com/
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2016 2:04 pm
The colorized photographs make a huge difference in the feel, and make the details pop out that just disappear in the originals.

A century... 100 years. That's a very long time, or a very short time, depending on your perspective.

100 years ago;
The average life expectancy in the United States was 47.
Only 14 % of homes in the United States had a bathtub.
Only 8 % of homes had a phone.
There were only 8,000 cars in the US and only 144 miles of paved roads.
The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.
More than 95 percent of all births in the US took place at home.
Ninety percent of all U.S. physicians had no college education.
Canada passed a law prohibiting poor people from entering the country for any reason.
1 in 10 U.S. adults couldn't read or write. Only 6% had graduated from high school.
18% of US households had at least one full-time servant or domestic.

I imagine Old Blighty has had similar changes.
Carruthers • Jan 10, 2016 3:06 pm
A century... 100 years. That's a very long time, or a very short time, depending on your perspective.


I was using my Dad's life span as a comparison.
He was six years old when that photo was taken.
In an admittedly long life, he's seen all manner of world records set for speed, endurance and altitude.
Commercial aviation has progressed from a sealing wax and string operation for the wealthy, to a safe mass transportation system.
Commercial aircraft are now such a common part of global infrastructure that they go largely unnoticed.
They might just as well be buses or trains for all the attention they attract.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2016 5:53 pm
Definitely, we usually gage events by our own lifetime, or someone we know. But 100 years is peanuts in "the big picture". That's why I was pointing out 100 years ago, when these people were imitating birds, how incredulous it must have seemed to people who were watching motor cars whizzing by at 10 mph.

I was born in '44, my Dad in '18 and my Grandfather in 1880. I often ponder the changes each of us saw... or read about in the paper, or heard at the general store. I also wonder if the progress, is really progress, or just change? Maybe it's picked up speed because it's downhill. ;)
busterb • Jan 10, 2016 8:04 pm
Like Bruce, I've wondered about the things the old folks saw and thought.
I was born in 43, my dad in1902, granddad in 1867, and greatgrand dad in 1836
Pamela • Jan 10, 2016 9:01 pm
Your kids will be doing the same thing to us.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2016 11:38 pm
They just have to come to the Cellar archives. :D
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 11, 2016 7:14 pm
Nice cut-away of the Gee Bee R-2.
BigV • Jan 12, 2016 1:41 am
Love it!
Carruthers • Jan 12, 2016 5:01 am
Given that the pilot would have such a poor view of the runway, I bet landings were tricky to say the least!
How on earth would you manage a final approach and landing?
Side slip it in and kick it straight at the last moment?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2016 8:55 am
It's an extremely hard to fly plane, but it was fast and could do maneuvers nobody else could, which is why it won races. One guy who actually flew one said todays high tech fighter pilots would take to it right away. And yes, one pilot was killed when he botched the landing.
Gravdigr • Jan 13, 2016 3:33 pm
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busterb • Jan 13, 2016 8:10 pm
Well he hit the center line. WTF are they pulling down on wings for? Relive stress?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 13, 2016 9:05 pm
With just center wheels, when he stops the plane will tip one way or the other. They're pulling down the high side to lift the low side wing enough to deploy the outrigger dollies on the wing.
busterb • Jan 13, 2016 10:22 pm
Hell I knew that :bolt:
BigV • Jan 13, 2016 10:33 pm
so. to take off it starts with the dollies and then ejects them when airborne?

how extravagantly impractical
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 13, 2016 10:43 pm
They are reused when the plane comes back, and if it doesn't come back, it won't need them. Having retractable wheels on the wings would be too heavy, and fixed wheels too much drag, so there isn't really an alternative.
Pamela • Jan 14, 2016 3:28 pm
more here
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 14, 2016 11:52 pm
The Granville Brothers (post77) built a race car too.
Carruthers • Jan 15, 2016 6:08 am
Thanks for posting the U2 video, Grav.

I suppose that it's human nature, up to a point, to be curious about things that you're not supposed to know about. For that reason the U2 has always been a source of considerable interest.

Strange to relate, but I have here a facsimile copy of the pilot's notes for the U2. A little light reading, you understand. :blush:

U-2 Flight Manual: Models U-2C and U-2F Aircraft
Carruthers • Jan 15, 2016 6:23 am
BigV;951299 wrote:
so. to take off it starts with the dollies and then ejects them when airborne?

how extravagantly impractical


Gravity assists, except when....

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There's nothing worse than a hung pogo. :)

Scanned from the above mentioned manual.
Carruthers • Jan 15, 2016 6:46 am
There are no U-2s permanently based at Fairford, but they stage through from time to time usually en-route to having a prod around one of the world's trouble spots.
Their visits to RAF Fairford always create a great deal of interest amongst aircraft enthusiasts and this hasn't gone unnoticed by the USAF.

Mike B, one of the administrators at www.fightercontrol.co.uk seems to be well known.

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There is a permanent U2 detachment at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus.
I understand that the Cypriot government has its reservations about the aircraft being based there, but the Sovereign Base Area is essentially British territory so that's that.
The official position is that the aircraft are engaged in 'weather research'. ;)
In 2014 the unit celebrated it's fortieth anniversary at Akrotiri with the slogan 'Still not here after forty years'.

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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 21, 2016 2:30 am
Swoooosh...
glatt • Jan 21, 2016 8:57 am
Beautiful. Can you imagine being rich enough that you could have flown on the Concorde? That would have been amazing.
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2016 12:22 pm
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ETA: That Tornado shouldn't have had too much trouble keeping up with the Concorde, not at mach 2, anyway.

Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 (2,400 km/h, 1,490 mph) at 9,000 m (30,000 ft) altitude;


~ Wiki
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2016 12:32 pm
An RAF Tornado:

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:devil:
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2016 1:12 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 21, 2016 1:17 pm
Gravdigr;951835 wrote:

ETA: That Tornado shouldn't have had too much trouble keeping up with the Concorde, not at mach 2, anyway.

~ Wiki

I tried to find the altitude before I posted that, but without success.
The Tornado was low on fuel, over the Irish Sea, and I'd assume at mach 2 uses fuel at a prodigious rate. So four minutes of balls to the wall, playing with a camera, and watching the fuel gage, kept him busy. But you can ask him at his site, Adrian Meredith. You can buy a print signed by him and the Concorde Chief Pilot Mike Bannister, for £50.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 21, 2016 3:14 pm
Pesky peckers...
BigV • Jan 21, 2016 9:09 pm
Have any of you ever met a Concorde in person? Heh, met... I mean have seen one in person? I have. There's one parked at the air and space (?) museum near Boeing field south of Seattle. Slang and I visited there when he came through town once. The plane is undeniably sleek, fast-looking even sitting still. But it is tiny, not nearly as big as I thought it would be. I don't think it's just because it was parked next to a much bigger plane, it is just smaller, more intimate that I expected.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2016 12:18 am
Yes, it's only 200 ft long and 84 ft wide, although the sumbitch is 40 ft high. Since it only carries about 100 passengers, the tickets were sky high. ;)

The closest I got was taxiing(taxying?) by a parked one in Atlanta. It looked kind of sad with it's nose drooping, but at least it was on my side of our plane.
Happy Monkey • Jan 22, 2016 2:48 pm
There's one at the Udvar-Hazy Air and Space museum.
Happy Monkey • Jan 22, 2016 2:49 pm
Speaking of which, here's their restoration floor:
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plthijinx • Jan 23, 2016 10:25 am
Bob Hoover, without question, one of the top aviators of our era. this is long, but very well worth it (sorry about having to follow the link)

Perfecting Flight, Bob Hoover
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2016 9:23 pm
Hells Angels.
Diaphone Jim • Jan 26, 2016 4:52 pm
Getting out of my car at a south-of-London B&B long ago, I looked up as any old pilot would at the sound of a jet. The dropped nose (on final to Heathrow) and the squared tail held my gaze until it disappeared. Wow!

I also saw Bob Hoover on several occasions. An elegant. dapper man in a black suit and white shirt no matter what the aircraft.
One day it was a Beech twin that he put through an aerobatic show that probably sent the designer into cardiac arrest.
After cutting the engines just above the runway in front of the crowd, he completed a full loop and coasted to a stop right where he had started.
Then he got out sipping at the cup of coffee he had also started with.
Wow again!
Hey, this page is almost as fun as the IOTD.
Gravdigr • Jan 26, 2016 4:59 pm
Is this the same guy who once rolled a commercial airliner, maybe 707 or some such, (with company brass aboard) during one of them there 'show-what-it-can-do' flights?
Pamela • Jan 26, 2016 9:11 pm
Yep, that's him.

He is one of my personal heroes. I hope to become half the pilot he is. I will never be AS good as he is. Half will be more than enough.

Wonder if my Cessna will roll and not have the wings fall off?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2016 12:15 am
Chopper with tiny blades.
Gravdigr • Jan 30, 2016 5:55 pm
plthijinx;951992 wrote:
Bob Hoover, without question, one of the top aviators of our era. this is long, but very well worth it (sorry about having to follow the link)


That was pretty cool. Thanks, Philthy.

I found it odd that I did not pick up that it was Harrison Ford narrating. I usually notice stuff like that.
BigV • Jan 31, 2016 3:27 pm
Built like a dragonfly, sting like a ... bee?

I give you the Edgley EA-7 Optica

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Gravdigr • Feb 1, 2016 12:01 am
That is a strange bird.
Carruthers • Feb 1, 2016 5:20 am
Gravdigr;952623 wrote:
That is a strange bird.


I'd go along with that, Grav. :thumb:

Some years ago, Hampshire Police had one but it crashed killing the pilot and photographer he had on board.

Although slow speed handling was a main selling point, it would never have the flexibility of a helicopter.

No doubt cost was a limiting factor when it was chosen for police work.

Wiki

Aviation Safety Network
Gravdigr • Feb 1, 2016 12:46 pm
Looks like something James Bond would steal from an evil genius and fly away with.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 5, 2016 8:37 pm
Boeing 787...
Pamela • Feb 5, 2016 8:51 pm
No seats? Do we all have to stand and hold straps now?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 5, 2016 10:27 pm
No straps, they'll pack you in tight enough that nobody can fall over.
And if you have to pee, just open a window. :p:
sexobon • Feb 5, 2016 10:43 pm
Velcro carpet, you get your mating Velcro jumpsuit at the gate.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2016 12:38 am
I thought, wow, what a crazy drone. :haha: But they're just illustrating the nose cannon.
Gravdigr • Feb 18, 2016 6:17 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 19, 2016 2:09 am
Ch-46 catching fire on takeoff.

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Gravdigr • Feb 19, 2016 2:05 pm
GO! GO! GO!


Ya think?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2016 7:36 am
Those daring damn fools in their flying machines.
glatt • Mar 4, 2016 11:20 am
buster points to this link of some cool jets performing over a tropical beach.

https://www.facebook.com/Airplane9/videos/868731096568843/?fref=nf

No easy way to embed Facebook videos.
Gravdigr • Mar 23, 2016 2:34 pm
The Time a Big Ol' Convoy of Vintage U.S.A.F. Bombers Moseyed Down the Highway

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[COLOR="Blue"]If this vid is a repost (it seems familiar), MODS please feel free to delete this post.[/COLOR]
Gravdigr • Mar 26, 2016 5:53 pm
If I asked you what was wrong with this picture, you'd figure out pretty quickly that the plane is upside down.

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What might not be so obvious is that the plane is a 707.:eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 28, 2016 2:18 pm
B-24
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 3, 2016 4:21 pm
Cockpit of a B-17G. I always thought that Boeing emblem was cool as hell, but they dropped it. Too old fashioned, not what the Mad Men thought was hip. But the totem pole comes from the northwest roots, and wings for flying. and the name, what more do you need. They replaced it with one that said nothing, then when they bought Douglas they made it worse. grumble bitch moan
I was furious when I lost my hat, it had my 25 year pin on it but didn't fucking care, just wanted the hat back.
sexobon • Apr 3, 2016 8:51 pm
Gravdigr;956270 wrote:
If I asked you what was wrong with this picture, you'd figure out pretty quickly that the plane is upside down.

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What might not be so obvious is that the plane is a 707.:eek:

I suppose that would make it a LOL. :lol:
Griff • Apr 4, 2016 2:58 pm
xoxoxoBruce;956756 wrote:
Cockpit of a B-17G. I always thought that Boeing emblem was cool as hell, but they dropped it. Too old fashioned, not what the Mad Men thought was hip. But the totem pole comes from the northwest roots, and wings for flying. and the name, what more do you need. They replaced it with one that said nothing, then when they bought Douglas they made it worse. grumble bitch moan
I was furious when I lost my hat, it had my 25 year pin on it but didn't fucking care, just wanted the hat back.


similar?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BALL-CAP-Boeing-Test-Flight-BOE-0130-/152035677596?hash=item236608559c:g:iigAAOSwBLlVbx8t
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 4, 2016 11:22 pm
Yes and no, this one just had the logo embroidered. Big. Without a sniper target. The Boeing motorcycle club still uses that logo.
BigV • Apr 5, 2016 10:19 pm
sexobon;956767 wrote:
I suppose that would make it a LOL. :lol:


well played
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 6, 2016 12:33 am
The agony and the ecstasy...
Gravdigr • Apr 8, 2016 3:41 pm
Cool vid showing how the SR-71 Blackbird's engines worked.

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Gravdigr • Apr 11, 2016 3:50 pm
Hey, remember that time an Israeli pilot landed that F-15 with only one wing?

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Gravdigr • Apr 19, 2016 3:49 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 19, 2016 4:02 pm
I should think an ultralite would be perfect for a big-ass parachute to bring the whole rig down.
Gravdigr • Apr 19, 2016 5:49 pm
But, then, it would be an ultranotquiteaslite.

Or, an ultranotquiteasdeadly.

I'll pass, either way. I have enough deadly hobbies, [size=1]if you're pickin' up what I'm layin' down.[/size];)
Pamela • Apr 19, 2016 6:23 pm
They already have parachute systems for light planes as well as ultralights. They have saved lives and should be standard equipment, IMHO.
Gravdigr • Apr 19, 2016 6:48 pm
Yeah, I think Cirrus makes small planes with a chute system.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 21, 2016 12:22 am
New one on me, Mexican Air force in WW II.
Nazis torpedoed two Mexican oil tankers headed to the US, so the Mexican President declared war on the Axis in '42. Mexico and Brazil were the only ones to send troops. The Aztec Eagles(30 pilots, 270 support) were attached to a US Army Air Corps squadron and loaned the latest Thunderbolts.
Gravdigr • Apr 21, 2016 3:03 pm
Heh.

Mexican Air Force...The term doesn't exactly inspire fear.
Gravdigr • Apr 22, 2016 12:46 pm
Now this is a mobile home:

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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 24, 2016 12:32 am
The whole stable...
Gravdigr • Apr 25, 2016 4:47 pm
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Remember the tv show 'Riptide'?

They had a chopper, (vvv this one) that they called The Screamin' Mimi:

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glatt • Apr 25, 2016 9:59 pm
I remember that chopper
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 25, 2016 10:35 pm
Yeah, me too, I don't know where though. :confused:
glatt • Apr 26, 2016 8:46 am
I remember it from Riptide.

I remember seeing it was a cheap old surplus chopper in the story line of that show, and wondering if someday I might be able to afford an old surplus chopper. I was a dumb kid, so I didn't know anything about the 5,000 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight rule of thumb back then.
Gravdigr • Apr 26, 2016 12:40 pm
It's a Sikorsky H-34, and was one of the last helicopters to use a piston engine.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2016 2:43 pm
The good old days...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 28, 2016 8:04 pm
Does this count as aircraft?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 30, 2016 11:38 pm
The asshole Air Force is still trying to kill the Warthog claiming to save money, when in truth to maintain and support the A-10 costs 0.21% of their $255,000,000,000 budget. They want extra money to dump into the mishandled nightmare called f-35, that even if by some miracle gets finished won't hold a candle to the A-10 for close air support. You know, the one stinking job that helps and protects boots on the ground. :mad:
Scriveyn • May 1, 2016 6:02 am
xoxoxoBruce;958309 wrote:
The whole stable...


Five males sniffin' .... :p:
xoxoxoBruce • May 1, 2016 5:02 pm
That was the last one built, they're checking it's pedigree. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • May 1, 2016 11:13 pm
xoxoxoBruce;958859 wrote:
The asshole Air Force is still trying to kill the Warthog claiming to save money, when in truth to maintain and support the A-10 costs 0.21% of their $255,000,000,000 budget. They want extra money to dump into the mishandled nightmare called f-35, that even if by some miracle gets finished won't hold a candle to the A-10 for close air support. You know, the one stinking job that helps and protects boots on the ground. :mad:


While I'm at it...
The United States Air Force never really wanted GPS. The 621B program, the precursor to GPS, was underfunded. After it evolved into the GPS program in the early 1970s, the Air Force largely neglected it, to the point of disowning it and defunding it. A few times, it tried to kill its own creation, and GPS was kept alive by the Pentagon’s largesse…

One reason the Air Force was slow to embrace GPS is the space-based projects were never seen as a priority. “The Air Force is not a big user of space,” says Scott Page..”The Air Force gets to build for space, but the Marine Corps, Army, and Navy are much more reliant on actual space services than the Air Force itself is. The budget for space is in the Air Force, but in terms of the number of customers and users, they’re all in the other services.
- See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/#sthash.8XhvPmml.dpuf
Gravdigr • May 5, 2016 2:02 pm
Autorotation, I knew what it is, but, now I know why:

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Gravdigr • May 5, 2016 2:16 pm
W.T.F?

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This is T.F.W.:

Depending on the type of aircraft, pilots may be required to apply a Wind Correction Angle (WCA) and “crab” the plane aligning nose and tail with the wind direction to counter the drifting effect of side winds during strong crosswind landings.

Whilst most of the planes “de-crab” once the main landing gear touches the ground (or shortly before), the U.S. Air Force iconic B-52 bomber was designed in such a way the landing gear can be set up to 20 degrees left to right of centerline for both takeoff and landing.

In this way, the Stratofortress can stay sideways even after touchdown.


From here.
xoxoxoBruce • May 5, 2016 2:57 pm
What an amazing job Boeing did with that aircraft. No wonder it's still going strong. :thumb:
Gravdigr • May 7, 2016 5:21 pm
Boeing's oldest flyable twin-engine airliner makes last flight

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Gravdigr • May 8, 2016 4:51 pm
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Gravdigr • May 9, 2016 3:01 pm
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Delta flight makes emergency landing at Nashville International Airport
xoxoxoBruce • May 13, 2016 8:35 pm
Government spreading mind control drugs before the soylent green harvest.
Gravdigr • May 14, 2016 12:54 pm
"Rainbow jet exhaust" is just awesome.
Gravdigr • May 16, 2016 11:54 am
Mystery as British Airways A380 plane lands in London with square tire

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xoxoxoBruce • May 16, 2016 4:59 pm
Kumar Mysore, from the Royal Aeronautical Society, told the Mail that the square shape might be due to how the weight of the Airbus A380 distributes itself on a deflated tire.

"You can see that the wheel is not damaged at all, as it is designed to take this weight.

"The effect is the same as when you squeeze a rubber ring toy with different intensity, it can turn into a different shape.

"In an A380, for this particular situation, it happens to be squarish."
:smack: I realize he was put in a position to satisfy the reporters, probably on short notice, but what clear and utter bullshit!
xoxoxoBruce • May 17, 2016 4:42 am
Oh shit...
Gravdigr • May 17, 2016 2:10 pm
Somebody just got fired.
Gravdigr • May 19, 2016 12:42 pm
"Model" aircraft, in this case:

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xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2016 12:33 am
Say hello to my little friend...
xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2016 3:09 pm
Look at that big Fokker...
BigV • May 20, 2016 4:08 pm
Fokker F-32???

I count only eighteen.
Griff • May 20, 2016 4:16 pm
x2 legs each still bad maths
xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2016 8:29 pm
Cockpit window, top of the plane, and behind the tail. :p:
xoxoxoBruce • May 22, 2016 9:42 pm
When the B-25 flew into the Empire State Building. They don't build them like they used to.
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2016 12:10 am
Hell's Angels...
Gravdigr • May 24, 2016 2:48 pm
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Shouldn't there be evidence of rotor wash?:eyebrow:
glatt • May 24, 2016 3:35 pm
And why is the landing gear down?
Gravdigr • May 24, 2016 6:10 pm
When I've seen them flying over my house the gear is always down.

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The landing gear system consists of four non-retractable landing gears: two forward and two aft. The forward landing gear assemblies are fixed non-swiveling type, with two wheels per assembly, while the aft gear utilizes one wheel per assembly. A power steering unit is installed on the right aft gear only. Some early CH-47A aircraft are equipped with standard aft gear with two wheels at each location, but without power steering.


From here, page 9.

I could have sworn I'd seen them wheels-up.
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2016 7:34 pm
Gravdigr;960893 wrote:
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Shouldn't there be evidence of rotor wash?:eyebrow:

Yes, a lot of it.
You may have seen pictures of a CH-46 where the rear wheels don't hang down very far, or maybe a 107/234 that PAN AM and the loggers use(d). I'm not sure if they had retractable gear or not.
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2016 8:25 pm
Till they need fuel...
Gravdigr • May 24, 2016 10:36 pm
Ran across this just now:

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From here.

:3_eyes:
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2016 12:07 am
Actually that phone booth was for the loadmaster, as I understand it.
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2016 12:15 am
When Orville Wright died, Neil Armstrong was already 17 years old.:eek:
Gravdigr • May 28, 2016 1:56 pm
The legendary B-52 is about to get a lot more lethal
xoxoxoBruce • May 28, 2016 2:40 pm
Yes, eight $18,000 Jdams more gooder, than a $1.4 million cruise. :thumb:
Gravdigr • Jun 3, 2016 4:42 pm
Look. Up in the sky. It's a bird. It's a plane.

It's the Space Shuttle?!

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It's the Space Shuttle.
Gravdigr • Jun 6, 2016 5:49 pm
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XP-82 Twin Mustang – June 2016 – Restoration Update
Pamela • Jun 7, 2016 1:04 am
Beautiful!
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 7, 2016 1:59 am
Double your pleasure, double your guns. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 7, 2016 11:47 am
This is the guy the Wright Brothers were inspired by...
Gravdigr • Jun 11, 2016 1:12 pm
The B-58 Hustler: America's Cold War Nuclear Bomber Blunder

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Gravdigr • Jun 11, 2016 2:17 pm
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Two German Eurofighter Typhoons, followed by four Swedish Gripens, all on the right wing of a USAF B-52 Stratofortress. On the left wing of the BUFF, are two Polish, and four USAF, F-16 Fighting Falcons.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 12, 2016 1:26 pm
Moving the Spruce Goose in pieces to be reassembled for it's first and only flight.
Gravdigr • Jun 17, 2016 3:44 pm
Synchronized landings:

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glatt • Jun 17, 2016 4:16 pm
I was on a flight exactly like that into SFO.. It was pretty cool coming in with another plane. To be fair, it was about five seconds ahead of us, so I had a good view of it. Not perfectly synchronized.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 17, 2016 6:44 pm
Oh sure, it's all fun and games until they find out they're using the same runway. :mg:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 18, 2016 1:01 am
Machine guns mounted on a Zeppelin in 1916. I assume an anti-aircraft measure.
Gravdigr • Jun 18, 2016 1:50 pm
xoxoxoBruce;962525 wrote:
I assume an anti-aircraft measure.


Birds.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 18, 2016 11:21 pm
Another B-24 in trouble...
Gravdigr • Jun 21, 2016 3:54 pm
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Gravdigr • Jul 1, 2016 4:50 pm
So, earlier today while I was working on today's 'This Day In History' post, I was interrupted by what sounded like a helicopter landing in my backyard.

It turned out to be a helicopter landing in my backyard!

Well, not quite my backyard, but, close enough:

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It was the Air Evac Lifeteam out of Bowling Green, Kentucky.

I don't know what they were doing. They weren't picking up a patient. They were there 30-45 minutes, and then they just flew away.

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It may have been a meet-and-greet-look-at-our-fancy-chopper-type thing for the new tenants at the little factory behind my house.

Made for an interesting Friday morning, if nothing else.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 1, 2016 5:18 pm
Maybe it was a warning to the factory people if you get hurt we'll fly you out of here, deny you ever worked here and your family will never see you again. :haha:
Griff • Jul 1, 2016 6:29 pm
That might be a newly designated LZ? We have one maybe a half mile from here. It'd be nice if they could see them under ideal conditions.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 2, 2016 12:13 am
No no, these fokkers were messerschmitts...
Gravdigr • Jul 2, 2016 12:03 pm
Griff;963639 wrote:
That might be a newly designated LZ? We have one maybe a half mile from here. It'd be nice if they could see them under ideal conditions.


That's a thought, but, it's less than a mile, as the chopper flies, from the hospital helipad.
BigV • Jul 4, 2016 4:15 pm
that video of the guy balancing his pet jet like you balance a broom on your fingertip was cool. but you have to give this guy props (nyuknyuknyuk). his connection with his similarly scaled r/c aircraft is scary-good. I finally figured out the differential paint scheme on the opposite wing surfaces. it helps him distinguish which direction it "local up". Otherwise, there's gonna be some free haircuts.

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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 10, 2016 8:19 pm
The XB-36

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Guess it didn't take long to figure out that wasn't a good idea. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Jul 11, 2016 5:53 pm
He caught the last cable, and it snapped. That'll fill your flight suit.

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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2016 11:58 pm
I can't imagine the hours spent polishing, and maintaining that shine, on this P-51C Mustang. :eek:
Gravdigr • Jul 12, 2016 12:14 am
Ooh, shiny!
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 13, 2016 3:49 pm
YOUNG MEN!
Travel! Excitement! See the world! Serve the Fuhrer!
Join the elite Zeppelin Corps as a mechanic!
Gravdigr • Jul 14, 2016 4:21 pm
Second pic.

Um...no?
Gravdigr • Jul 18, 2016 12:56 pm
xoxoxoBruce;964417 wrote:
I can't imagine the hours spent polishing, and maintaining that shine, on this P-51C Mustang. :eek:


What about this big baby?

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Story<--Awful website. Good luck.
Gravdigr • Jul 19, 2016 6:12 pm
Glider launch fail:

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Gravdigr • Jul 24, 2016 4:46 pm
China was showing off their new amphibious plane. They say it's the world's largest, almost as big as a 737.

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Please to notice the man on the right of the pic for scale.

The Xinhua News Agency said the AG600 rolled off a production line in Zhuhai in southern China on Saturday. It measures 37 meters (121 feet) in length with a wingspan of 39 meters (128 feet).


~from here
Gravdigr • Jul 25, 2016 3:16 pm
A different perspective:

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Gravdigr • Jul 26, 2016 5:49 pm
The most expensive weapons platform in history, and it's weaponry:

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Gravdigr • Jul 26, 2016 5:55 pm
The above pic, and the below pic are from here.

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Gravdigr • Aug 17, 2016 3:26 pm
A small aircraft made a controlled emergency landing off Herne Bay, Kent, during an air show on Sunday, August 14. The G-ARNZ plane, which was operated by the Turbulent Display team, was forced to land on the water due to a “problem” and was flipped upside down upon landing. Rescuers, which included many spectators, came to the pilot’s aid and helped turn the plane upright.The Turbulent Display confirmed that the pilot was safe, while news reports added that the pilot suffered minor injuries. This video shows the ditching and people rushing towards the plane. Credit: Simon Collins


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Elspode • Aug 20, 2016 3:10 am
I'll see all yer airplanes and raise you this unrealized Mach 3 bomber. There was only two made, and one crashed because a chase plane pilot was a doofus.
Elspode • Aug 20, 2016 3:13 am
Here's the business end of this bad bitch. Yow.
Gravdigr • Aug 24, 2016 3:53 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Aug 24, 2016 7:02 pm
When men were men...
glatt • Aug 24, 2016 9:29 pm
I'm not even sure what I am looking at here. Some sort of blimp or balloon or something.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 25, 2016 8:45 am
Yes, remember the Germans working on the engines of the Zeppelin in flight? Well this is the British version of those daring young men and their flying machines.
Gravdigr • Aug 25, 2016 1:35 pm
That open gondola is very open.
BigV • Aug 26, 2016 4:31 pm
Right, like a trapeze bar.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2016 12:23 am
Thousands didn't get one...
Carruthers • Aug 27, 2016 10:27 am
Jerry Lashin served with the 447th Bombardment Group USAAF, based at RAF Rattlesden in Suffolk.
It would appear that he completed another five missions after the award for the twenty-five flown above.

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Jerry Lashin's mission listing, flown over the summer of 1944:

June 4 - over Versailles, France
June 6 - D-Day, Normandy, France
June 7 - Nantes, France
June 11 - Le Touquet, France
June 14 - Florennce, Belgium
June 15 - Hanover, Germany
July 12 - Munich, Germany
July 14 - near Vichy, France
July 18 - Cuxhaven, Germany
July 21 - Regensburg, Germany
July 24 - near St Lo, France
July 25 - St Lo, France
August 2 - Paris, France
August 9 - Nuremberg, Germany
August 11 - Belfort, France
August 13 - Rouen, France
August 15 - Germany
August 16 - Altenberg, Germany
August 24 - Brax?
August 25 - Richlin, Germany
August 30 - Bremen, Germany
September 1 - Mainz, Germany
September 5 - Brest, France
September 9 - St Laurent, France
September 17 - Arnhem, Netherlands
September 25 - Ludwigshaven, Germany
September 26 - Bremen and on to Bremerhaven, Germany
September 28 - Merseburg, Germany
October 2 - Kassel, Germany
October 3 - Gibelstadt, Germany

The original handwritten lists of his missions, among other items, can be found at the American Air Museum in Britain website.

You can only speculate on how much of a toll on a crewman's mental wellbeing was taken as each mission was flown.
As the number of survived missions increased, so would his chances of not returning from the next one.
Clodfobble • Aug 27, 2016 11:03 am
He looks like Mark Duplass.
Gravdigr • Aug 27, 2016 1:28 pm
He does, kinda.
Gravdigr • Aug 27, 2016 2:18 pm
Alllllmost pushed off the runway by the wind:

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xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2016 5:43 pm
Gunnery practice...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 28, 2016 12:45 pm
How to wake up the pilot in mid-flight....
Gravdigr • Aug 28, 2016 3:44 pm
That'll do it.
Gravdigr • Aug 29, 2016 1:58 pm
Whatdafuq?

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Gravdigr • Aug 29, 2016 4:31 pm
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Pamela • Aug 29, 2016 6:08 pm
Re: the AF plane.... It is hoovering up the water from the puddle below the engine pod. The water spins in a vortex due to the rotation of the engine primary fan.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 3, 2016 12:31 pm
Somebody got rich...
Pamela • Sep 3, 2016 10:36 pm
Why am I imagining a single strafing run right now?

Perhaps too many hours in a combat flight simulator?
Gravdigr • Sep 8, 2016 2:36 pm
Someone didn't stay inside the lines:

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Gravdigr • Sep 9, 2016 2:58 pm
Este hijo de puta es una locura.

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Pamela • Sep 9, 2016 8:04 pm
an inch lower and they would have been mopping that pilot up with a sponge.
BigV • Sep 10, 2016 5:55 pm
Gravdigr;968587 wrote:
Someone didn't stay inside the lines:

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That's gonna leave a mark.
Gravdigr • Sep 16, 2016 1:20 pm
[YOUTUBE]wBOCCd1lC4s[/YOUTUBE]

Much better bigger, and in HD.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 17, 2016 7:49 pm
Know thine enemy...
Carruthers • Sep 18, 2016 6:12 am
My grandfather, who had served in WW1, always referred to airships as 'Zeppelins'.
It wasn't the stuff of everyday conversation, but a Goodyear airship was touring the UK at the time and 'Zeppelin' was how he described it.

Every so often, airships make something of a comeback but then disappear never to be seen again.

Here's the latest incarnation:

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Incidentally, it was at Cardington about sixty miles North of London.

Unfortunately, its second test flight didn't go too well.

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Pamela • Sep 18, 2016 10:24 pm
Technically, an airship is a rigid hulled dirigible which carries bags of gas to provide lift. What we see nowadays is a blimp, a flying gasbag which is not rigid and is more akin to a balloon.
Gravdigr • Sep 19, 2016 1:30 pm
...a flying gasbag which is not rigid and is more akin to a balloon.


Heh, that describes any politician on a plane.:)
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 21, 2016 2:08 pm
Chopper = 0, Cow = 1.

Police are investigating the crash of a Robinson R22 Beta mustering helicopter, after its pilot allegedly struck a cow whilst herding cattle on a Coen Cattle Station on Sunday September 18.

It’s believed the rails underneath the helicopter got tangled up in the cows horns causing the chopper to lose balance.

Police from Coen were called to the incident just after 2.40pm with reports the helicopter had crashed onto the Peninsula Development Road 15km south of Coen.

As a result of the rough landing the helicopter has caught fire and been totally destroyed. The Rural Fire Service attended the crash site and extinguished the aircraft.

The pilot a 35-year-old Richmond man walked away from the crash without any injury.

The cow escaped becoming roast beef and lived to roam another day.
Gravdigr • Sep 21, 2016 3:21 pm
Holy crap! Those things aren't even safe on the ground!

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Much better bigger. You can see it coming.

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glatt • Sep 21, 2016 4:37 pm
I was surprised he still had a hand. He was complaining that it was hurt, but I expected the whole arm to be gone.
Gravdigr • Sep 23, 2016 2:25 pm
A different angle of the same incident:

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Gravdigr • Sep 23, 2016 2:45 pm
A Greek Apache lands at the beach. Kinda.

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Gravdigr • Sep 27, 2016 2:36 pm
If that plane actually caused that, somebody would've sued somebody.

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Pamela • Sep 27, 2016 9:29 pm
The Blue Angels are notorious for flat-hatting that beach during practice in the off-season. The hoi polloi are aware of this.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2016 1:27 pm
British bombardier...
Gravdigr • Sep 29, 2016 4:30 pm
That looks dangerous.
Carruthers • Sep 29, 2016 4:44 pm
If you've been sitting with ordnance on your lap for the last hour or so, the urge to lob it over the side ASAP must be irresistible.
Gravdigr • Sep 29, 2016 5:05 pm
Heh, granted.:cool:
Gravdigr • Sep 29, 2016 5:06 pm
The year is 1985:

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2016 4:15 pm
Several years after the parachute was perfected I guess the Germans didn't believe...
Gravdigr • Oct 1, 2016 4:17 pm
Hey, look...

...it did leave a mark.
classicman • Oct 2, 2016 1:25 pm
I don't care about your ...
oh never mind.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2016 6:38 pm
Seems we've seen this before but I'm too lazy to search...
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 3, 2016 12:11 pm
From the Aussie War Museum...
Gravdigr • Oct 3, 2016 6:04 pm
xoxoxoBruce;970309 wrote:
Seems we've seen this before but I'm too lazy to search...


I don't remember seeing that particular pic, though I certainly could have forgotten it.

They got some wild contrail pics over at ContrailScience.

Here's one:

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BigV • Oct 4, 2016 1:22 am
xoxoxoBruce;970350 wrote:
From the Aussie War Museum...


That is one great big stack of ugly.


On a different note,

Not an "airplane", but important to them, certainly.

Twil and I will be staying nearby, but we'll arrive by land.

Sorry no pretty picture.
Gravdigr • Oct 4, 2016 3:12 pm
I saw a large, loud, yellow bi-plane fly over my place this morning. Flying south. Slowly.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 5, 2016 8:43 am
Faster than a beeding spullet...
Gravdigr • Oct 5, 2016 2:19 pm
xoxoxoBruce;970511 wrote:
Faster than a beeding spullet...


Literally. 6629 feet per second.

Wiki quote:

The .220 Swift remains the fastest commercial cartridge in the world, with a published velocity of 4665 fps using a 29 grain bullet and 42 grains of 3031 powder.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 5, 2016 7:41 pm
How embarrassing...
Pamela • Oct 6, 2016 11:25 am
Darn student pilots :D
Gravdigr • Oct 6, 2016 12:48 pm
Dang, that took me a minute to sort out.

He's hanging on a wire/power cable, correct?
Carruthers • Oct 6, 2016 12:51 pm
I ran out of height, airspeed and ideas all at once.
glatt • Oct 6, 2016 1:00 pm
He's got a rope already tied off to something, and a figure 8 rope descender hanging from his waist. I wonder what's going on outside of the frame? Is the guy on the right a rescuer? Wouldn't he have a uniform on or something?
glatt • Oct 6, 2016 1:18 pm
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Gravdigr • Oct 6, 2016 3:15 pm
Yeah, what they said.
Clodfobble • Oct 6, 2016 6:23 pm
Portuguese is such a crazy sounding language.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2016 10:41 am
Captured German Etrich Taube monoplane, on display in the courtyard of Les Invalides, Paris 1915...
Gravdigr • Oct 13, 2016 3:51 pm
I'm almost certain this is 'shopped.

Should the bottom of the Concorde be that well-lit?

Shouldn't there be silhouetting of the aircraft from the eclipse behind?

Shouldn't the sky be darker if there was an apparently full eclipse going on?

Would simply brightening the pic do all that?

Am I asking too many questions?

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2016 4:20 pm
It was obviously following the cow over the moon. ;)
Pamela • Oct 13, 2016 9:19 pm
Belly strobe covers the bright light. I dunno about the rest of it.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2016 9:31 pm
May not be an eclipse, could be a lens with a center spot blocking the sun.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 15, 2016 12:10 pm
Fairey Gannet on the HMS Ark Royal built between 1953–1959...
Carruthers • Oct 15, 2016 1:29 pm
How the Gannet ever became airborne from terra firma, let alone an aircraft carrier, remains something of a puzzle.

In many ways it was a tough old aircraft and even managed to limp back to base on one occasion without either wing tip.

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Gravdigr • Oct 15, 2016 3:17 pm
Cool post.
Carruthers • Oct 17, 2016 6:45 am
The Fairey Rotodyne was a 1950s British compound gyroplane designed and built by Fairey Aviation and intended for commercial and military applications.[2] A development of the earlier Gyrodyne, which had established a world helicopter speed record, the Rotodyne featured a tip jet-powered rotor that burned a mixture of fuel and compressed air bled from two wing-mounted Napier Eland turboprops. The rotor was driven for vertical takeoffs, landings and hovering, as well as low-speed translational flight, and autorotated during cruise flight with all engine power applied to two propellers.

One prototype was built. Although the Rotodyne was promising in concept and successful in trials, the programme was eventually cancelled. The termination has been attributed to the type failing to attract any commercial orders; this was in part due to concerns over the high levels of rotor tip jet noise generated inflight. Politics - the development was government funded - had also played a role in the lack of orders, which ultimately doomed the project.


Wiki

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It could be said that the Rotodyne was years ahead of its time and with more development might have been a success.

The concept survives, albeit in a somewhat different form, in the V-22 Osprey.

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Trivia time...

The Chairman of Fairey Aviation lived here in Carruthers Town when I was a kid.
I don't remember much about him but I do recall his big old Bassett Hound who would entertain himself by roaming about the town.
He could often be seen ambling down the High Street barking at nothing in particular.
He probably howled at the Moon as well. Lovely dog, he was.
Gravdigr • Oct 17, 2016 4:01 pm
[YOUTUBE]ZX2mBy7v72g[/YOUTUBE]
Carruthers • Oct 18, 2016 5:05 am
I've often wondered how a rapidly changing C of G, when the water is discharged, affects handling characteristics.

I assume that an increasing nose up attitude can be expected but perhaps it's over quickly enough not to cause any great problems.

In any event, low level ops in probably turbulent conditions can't be too much fun.

Nice find, Mr G!
Gravdigr • Oct 26, 2016 2:51 pm
Famed aviator 'Bob' Hoover, who escaped Nazis by stealing a plane, dies at 94

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Pamela • Oct 26, 2016 4:34 pm
He was one of my greatest heroes. I hope to be half as good a pilot as he was. RIP Bob. You earned it, brother.
Gravdigr • Oct 26, 2016 6:20 pm
I knew I posted that for someone, I just couldn't remember who.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 26, 2016 6:37 pm
It's tough to have a huge fan base. :p:
Carruthers • Oct 27, 2016 10:31 am
The master at work...

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Ends with a both engines off landing.
But you knew that. ;)
Gravdigr • Oct 30, 2016 6:46 pm
Remember this pic I posted?

Well, it's supposed to do that.

And I learned about "arrestor beds" from this article about Mike Pence's plane making a hard landing in a rainstorm, skidding sideways, and overrunning the runway at LaGuardia. Arrestor beds kept the plane from running onto a busy parkway at the end of the runway.
Gravdigr • Nov 23, 2016 3:21 pm
[YOUTUBE]gQJKW5vfvog[/YOUTUBE]

Better bigger, and in HD.
glatt • Nov 23, 2016 4:26 pm
They could take off from my back yard
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 23, 2016 4:34 pm
They could takeoff from a treadmill in your backyard.:blush:
Griff • Nov 23, 2016 4:47 pm
well maybe with a dolphin boost
Gravdigr • Nov 24, 2016 2:12 pm
Musta put some Red Bull in the tank...
Gravdigr • Nov 26, 2016 4:13 pm
Look at the mission markings on this Warthog:eek::

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That looks like a bunch to me.
Griff • Nov 26, 2016 5:55 pm
Wow.

Somehow I don't see an F-35 compiling such a record. Canada just quit on that btw.
Gravdigr • Nov 26, 2016 11:12 pm
I thought I read something to that effect.
Gravdigr • Dec 1, 2016 4:12 pm
V-22 Ospreys and Mt. Fuji:

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And what is that thing anyway?:eyebrow:

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 1, 2016 7:22 pm
It may be ground scanning radar, but I think it's the holding tank for the bathroom and kitchen. :yesnod:
Elspode • Dec 4, 2016 2:11 pm
When we were in Virginia Beach, a couple of Osprey out of NAS Oceana came hot-assing by our fifth floor hotel balcony, maybe 1/8 mile away, and not much higher above the surrounding buildings near the beach. It was pretty damn impressive.
Elspode • Dec 4, 2016 2:15 pm
I got to see Bob do his "trading airspeed for altitude/altitude for airspeed" routine at a couple of different airshows back in the day. He was magnificent.

Carruthers;972132 wrote:
The master at work...

[YOUTUBEWIDE]g7R7jZmliGc[/YOUTUBEWIDE]


Ends with a both engines off landing.
But you knew that. ;)
Gravdigr • Dec 5, 2016 10:31 am
Elspode;975419 wrote:
When we were in Virginia Beach, a couple of Osprey out of NAS Oceana came hot-assing by our fifth floor hotel balcony, maybe 1/8 mile away, and not much higher above the surrounding buildings near the beach. It was pretty damn impressive.


I understand they are quite loud. True?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 5, 2016 11:59 am
Yes, loud and windy close to the ground.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 9, 2016 10:05 pm
They're deicing Frozen. :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2016 1:36 am
In 1953 six P-51 Mustangs were subjected to atomic tests in Australia. In 1967 a man went out to the desert and repaired one and flew it home. The other five were shipped to the US. The guy tried to register he one he kept but the government jerked him around for three years so he sold it to an American. Four days after he sold it the government gave him the registration.
The plane was damaged in shipment and sat for ten years in the US. Finally a plane restorer was hired by an Alabama business man to get it in the air.

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plthijinx • Dec 12, 2016 3:50 pm
hey guys, been a while. Just this last September I was granted my 1st class medical which means I can finally fly for compensation. Regardless of that though, @1:31 is one of the many reasons I love to do what I do. This is my first trip finally wearing the uniform and starting to sell my services as a commercial jet jockey. Unfortunately I did not get paid money for this trip, and likely won't for many to come, but rather logged the flight time to increase my appeal to the part 135 operators as the minimum flight time for 135 operations is anywhere between 1000 to 1500 hours total time now - depending on the carrier.

IFR flight from Sugar Land to Dallas Love Field
[YOUTUBE]H36wEPmaQPQ[/YOUTUBE]

the return trip on the day after the above:
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Clodfobble • Dec 12, 2016 5:19 pm
Hiya, Fred!
glatt • Dec 12, 2016 5:38 pm
That looks fun. You own the sky.
Undertoad • Dec 12, 2016 6:31 pm
What is @1:31, you break through the clouds? Why does it go dark, what beeps?
Pamela • Dec 12, 2016 6:52 pm
He broke through the time vortex surrounding Texas which keeps it perpetually in the previous century. :lol:
plthijinx • Dec 13, 2016 10:45 am
Clodfobble;976219 wrote:
Hiya, Fred!

hola!! :hug:

glatt;976222 wrote:
That looks fun. You own the sky.


apparently this is a "job" :rolleyes:

Undertoad;976223 wrote:
What is @1:31, you break through the clouds? Why does it go dark, what beeps?


yes, breaking through the clouds and flying along skimming the tops of the clouds is one of my favorite things while flying and the going dark is me editing the video so that's a splice break and the beep is an alert to 1000 feet to go for pre-select on the altitude - in the case here, FL240. On the trip back to Houston the next day we filed and flew at FL250 - anything higher on a trip this short would have been moot as it only takes roughly 40~45 minutes wheels up to wheels down

Pamela;976225 wrote:
He broke through the time vortex surrounding Texas which keeps it perpetually in the previous century. :lol:


shhhhh! we like it that way :)
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 16, 2016 8:00 pm
Nice try...
Gravdigr • Dec 17, 2016 4:05 pm
Hard to believe that thing flew. At all.
BigV • Dec 25, 2016 12:16 am
The Shepherd.
Pamela • Dec 26, 2016 2:03 am
I read that one once upon a time, in Reader's Digest Condensed Books, I believe. Good story.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 28, 2016 11:24 am
Hughes flying the model of the "Spruce Goose".
Gravdigr • Dec 28, 2016 4:34 pm
Model airplane controllers have come a loooooooooooooooooooooooong way.

Although, I kinda like Howard's.
Gravdigr • Dec 28, 2016 4:36 pm
That pic gets cooler the longer I look at it.
glatt • Dec 28, 2016 5:12 pm
Howard had the money to both pay for the controller and also pay for some guys to haul it around for him.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 28, 2016 5:15 pm
Government money, war effort money, and government channels for supplies.
Gravdigr • Jan 2, 2017 3:33 pm
Want a brand spanking new Boeing?

Be prepared to pony up, Daddy Warbucks:

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Waitwhut? A cargo plane costs more than the passenger version?! Re: The 747s.

From here.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 2, 2017 4:08 pm
List prices, they're negotiable.
Plus there are numerous options, undercoat, scotchguard, gap insurance, etc.
Undertoad • Jan 2, 2017 5:18 pm
Says here the fuel capacity of the 737-300 is 4,720 gallons

... of "Jet A" which goes for around $4/gallon... I'm thinkin' the Sheetz or the Wawa will have it for $3.89

So what you're saying is, if I save up all my money, I might be able to fuel up one of these things in 2022.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 3, 2017 9:23 pm
Teddy was the first president to fly...
sexobon • Jan 6, 2017 8:12 pm
Oops!

[SIZE="4"]Engine drops from B-52 bomber in rural North Dakota[/SIZE]
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2017 8:24 pm
Waiting for more information on that one. Whether the whole engine fell off or it fragged in flight. Big difference.
sexobon • Jan 6, 2017 10:17 pm
Maybe they went out for target practice; but, forgot to bring some bombs and felt that they had to do something.
Pamela • Jan 8, 2017 11:10 pm
Bah, they had seven others. Did they really even notice?
Gravdigr • Jan 16, 2017 4:46 pm
Super low fly-by of KC-135 tanker:

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It's even lower bigger.
Gravdigr • Jan 18, 2017 2:50 pm
[YOUTUBE]hCViKu9XlbQ[/YOUTUBE]
Pamela • Jan 18, 2017 5:33 pm
Those bad boys were LOUD! Especially when they went to jets.

Some flyboys get carried away and forget that not all the neighbors love the Sound of Freedom, esp on a Sunday morning.
Gravdigr • Jan 20, 2017 3:18 pm
I don't know about you guys, but, I never get tired of watching these things.

Two B-2s arrive at RAF Fairford in June 2014:

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It's better when it's bigger.
Elspode • Jan 21, 2017 4:49 am
Gravdigr;979829 wrote:
[YOUTUBE]hCViKu9XlbQ[/YOUTUBE]


These things were unreasonably huge, and ludicrously complex. I saw one at the USAF Museum in Dayton last year. Couldn't begin to get it all in one shot with the lighting present and the lens I had. They were both prop and jet, and just...stupid.
Gravdigr • Jan 26, 2017 4:07 pm
:eek:

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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2017 7:59 am
Slower than a speeding bullet.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2017 10:39 pm
Any landing you can walk away from is a good one... even if you're 75 miles from nowhere during an Alaska January.
Gravdigr • Feb 1, 2017 10:49 pm
xoxoxoBruce;981132 wrote:
... even if you're 75 miles from nowhere during an Alaska January.


Well, you want the wolves to have fresh food...:o
Gravdigr • Feb 8, 2017 4:25 pm
Welcome home, Concorde

The last Concorde to be built, and the last to fly, was towed across the airfield to become the centerpiece of Aerospace Bristol.

A really cool slide show at the link w/some good pics.

Including this one:

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You'll have to go look at the slideshow for an explainer.;)
Gravdigr • Feb 16, 2017 3:40 pm
"Pardon me, but would you have any Grey Poupon?"

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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 16, 2017 3:47 pm
What the hell was that all about? We'll have to get Limey to translate.
Gravdigr • Feb 16, 2017 5:03 pm
I think he stopped for directions.

************************************************

If that wasn't confusing enough:

An American Airlines American Eagle made an emergency landing after striking a deer

Saywhutnow?!
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 16, 2017 5:12 pm
That plane has itty bitty wings.
Carruthers • Feb 17, 2017 9:38 am
Gravdigr;982214 wrote:
I think he stopped for directions.


He certainly did!

Helicopter pilot lands to ask for directions in Kazakhstan

16 February 2017 Last updated at 17:15 GMT

A lorry driver has captured the moment a military pilot landed on a Kazakhstan highway to ask for help after getting lost.

He asked the way to the north-western city of Aktobe, to the amusement of two lorry drivers in radio communication.

The Ministry of Defence said the pilot had been taking part in a visual orientation exercise when he lost his bearings.


BBC Link

First rule of air navigation.

A pilot is never lost, although he may be temporarily uncertain of his position.
Carruthers • Feb 17, 2017 9:58 am
This is an RAF Atlas transport aircraft on a low flying exercise in the 'Mach Loop' in West Wales.
It's in between the C-130 Hercules and C-17 Globemaster in size and capability but nimble enough to fly in confined areas at low altitude.

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One such aircraft paid a visit to Scott AFB, Illinois, and gave some USAF personnel a flight around the area.
The video isn't very exciting but worth a look if only to see the spectacularly bad editing.
On the return to Scott, and about half a mile from touchdown,(listen to the altitude alerts) the aircraft is suddenly shown as flying over open country in a left hand turn before returning to the approach and the 100' call!

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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 17, 2017 11:21 am
I've seen a lot of great pictures from that Mach Loop. :thumb:
Carruthers • Feb 17, 2017 2:15 pm
xoxoxoBruce;982248 wrote:
I've seen a lot of great pictures from that Mach Loop. :thumb:


OK, here's one more.

The route is also used by the USAF and other NATO Air Forces.

Here's a USAF CV-22 Osprey making a visit at a fairly sedate pace.

[YOUTUBEWIDE]0Hzb2vVhuDE[/YOUTUBEWIDE]
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 17, 2017 2:50 pm
I help build that.
Carruthers • Feb 17, 2017 3:07 pm
xoxoxoBruce;982256 wrote:
I help build that.


An unusual beast to say the least!
Gravdigr • Feb 17, 2017 3:51 pm
Noisesome critter.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 17, 2017 6:46 pm
Yes, but so are the helicopters then were built to replace.
Griff • Feb 18, 2017 10:05 am
xoxoxoBruce;982256 wrote:
I help build that.


Me too. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2017 10:07 am
Thank you for contributing to my pension. :haha:
Griff • Feb 18, 2017 10:13 am
Well there is the taxpayer part, but I also worked on early flight controls for that between degrees back in the Neutron Jack days..
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2017 11:15 am
I didn't know that, you sure got around. :blush:
Gravdigr • Feb 18, 2017 4:01 pm
Griff;982328 wrote:
...back in the Neutron Jack days...


I used to do the Neutron Jack. But, my mom kept walking in on me, so, I kinda had to back off...:p:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2017 4:48 pm
Don't bullshit me, you didn't stop, just found a more secure location. :p:
Gravdigr • Feb 18, 2017 4:53 pm
I got a fucking lock on the door is what I did!:lol2:
sexobon • Feb 18, 2017 5:36 pm
Sounds like a misnomer to me.
Griff • Feb 18, 2017 6:10 pm
A his seamen died but his building still stands.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 23, 2017 12:37 am
Its chance discovery was made by a British backpacker, a keen aircraft enthusiast, who photographed a cannibalized DH9 in a new museum at the Palace of Bikaner in Rajasthan in 1995. He passed the word to an airplane restorer, Guy Black, who visited the palace in India 3 years later. But the aircraft had been moved to the palace's former elephant stables.

There, among piles of elephant saddles, was the airframe of the DH9, engineless, its timbers partly eaten by termites and much of its fabric covering missing. Along one wall, were a dozen DH9 wings. Several tailfins were nearby.

He said: "I could not believe my eyes. The DH9 are as rare's as hen's teeth now and there wasn't a single one in a collection in Britain." In the stables were the remains of three DH9s that been given by Britain to the Maharajah of Bikaner in the early 1920s to help him establish an air force under the post-war Imperial Gift Scheme.

Mr Black bought two of the rotting hulks. D5649, the plane he restored and sold to the Imperial War Museum for nearly £1 million was unveiled at Duxford, Cambridgeshire. The Imperial War Museum, by luck, had a DH9 engine to install in the restored plane.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2017 3:26 pm
Jap dive bomber faw down go boom...
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2017 5:37 pm
Flying disc actually worked...
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 2, 2017 11:31 pm
I've never knowingly seen this stuff, but it was used for a number of things including Olympic torches.
Carruthers • Mar 3, 2017 5:24 am
The Development of Hiduminium&#8208;RR.58 Aluminium Alloy: The background to the choice of the main structural material for Concorde

Several years before the British and French Governments decided, separately, to initiate feasibility studies into the building of a supersonic transport passenger&#8208;carrying aircraft with an aluminium alloy as the main structural material, the Research and Development Division of High Duty Alloys Ltd. began to compare the relative merits of selected Hiduminium alloys in anticipation of this possible new application.

It was appreciated that the life requirement, for ecenomic reasons, would be between 20,000 and 30,000 hours and that the saturation skin temperature, due to kinetic heating, at speeds of Mach 2·2 and 2·5 would be about 120° and 150°C, respectively.

The Division's considerable experience in the field of developing aluminium alloys for acro&#8208;gas turbine applications for service at temperatures higher than this range, made us optimistic about the possibility of being able to develop a wrought aluminium alloy which would meet all the mechanical property requirements for the construction of a SST aircraft.


LINK

The above was published in 1969, the company having been absorbed into the Hawker Siddeley Aircraft Co by 1965.

A check of the Companies House website shows the existence of 'High Duty Alloys Ltd' in its own right, but it now appears to be in the financial sector and is described as an 'Intermediate investment holding company'.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 3, 2017 7:25 am
The Hiduminium alloys or R.R. alloys are a series of high-strength, high-temperature aluminium alloys, developed for aircraft use by Rolls-Royce ("RR") before World War II. They were manufactured and later developed by High Duty Alloys Ltd. The name Hi-Du-Minium is derived from that of High Duty Aluminium Alloys.

The first of these Hiduminium alloys was termed 'R.R.50'. This alloy was first developed for motor-racing pistons, and was only later adopted for aircraft engine use. It was a development of the earlier Y alloy, the first of the nickel-containing light aluminium alloys. These alloys are one of the three main groups of high-strength aluminium alloys, the nickel-aluminium alloys having the advantage of retaining strength at high temperatures, making them particularly useful for pistons.

Early adoption
The alloys were in limited use for aircraft by 1929, being used in the Rolls-Royce R engine that was successful in the Schneider Trophy seaplane races. They quickly spread to other manufacturers, in 1931 being adopted by ABC for their Hornet engine. R.R.50 alloy was used for the crankcase, R.R.53 for the pistons.

Their first mass production use was in the Armstrong Siddeley Special saloon car of 1933. Armstrong Siddeley already having had experience of the alloy, and financial investment in its manufacturer, from their aero engine business.

Advantages of these alloys were recognised worldwide. When 576 pistons in Hiduminium R.R.59 alloy were used for the Italian Marshal Balbo's trans-Atlantic flight, High Duty Alloys used it in their own advertising.

High Duty Alloys Ltd. was founded at Farnham Road, Slough in 1927, by Colonel W. C. Devereux. The company began from the ruins of the World War I aero engine builder, Peter Hooker Limited of Walthamstow. Hookers licence-built the Gnôme engine, amongst other things, and for the aero engines chose to be known as The British Gnôme and Le Rhône Engine Co. They had become expert at working Y alloy.
The post-war reduction in demand, and the plentiful supply of war-surplus engines, made times hard for all engine and component makers. After buying it at the beginning of 1920 BSA reviewed its operations and decided Hooker's should be liquidated. After some years in voluntary liquidation, Hooker's operations ended in late 1927 when its workshops were sold.


Much more.

The 1948 Olympic torches

Ba Concorde - Paperweight

British Aviation
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2017 1:02 am
Magic Helicopter

[YOUTUBE]yr3ngmRuGUc[/YOUTUBE]
Carruthers • Mar 4, 2017 3:29 am
Helicopters don't really fly. They are just so ugly the Earth repels them. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2017 12:10 pm
:lol2: That's not just a random snark, it has an aesthetic basis. :thumb:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 9, 2017 6:56 pm
The largest private Air Force in the world, Draken in Florida.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2017 9:27 pm
Logistics are a bitch.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2017 9:40 pm
I am the Walrus, pew pew, pew pew.
Gravdigr • Mar 11, 2017 5:10 pm
I'd take that 777 out on a country road where there ain't nobody around burn it, and collect the in$urance.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 11, 2017 7:21 pm
It's probably a rental.
Carruthers • Mar 14, 2017 4:15 pm
Here's a project for the aspiring aircraft restorer.
It's an ex-German Air Force F-86 Sabre (or remains thereof) currently listed on Ebay for a mere £6,500 ($7,900).

[ATTACH]59762[/ATTACH]

From the description:
This F86F Sabre CL13B C/N. 56-1730 is offered for sale due to my forth coming retirement together with lack of time and space.
Formerly displayed outside the officers mess at Jever, it was collected by me last year from Germany where it had lain for several years in a farm yard.
The offer consists of the fuselage (separated at the engine change joint) together with the tail/stabilisers/rudder and canopy frame with a good Perspex to be fitted.
As can be seen from photos whilst in the yard it sustained some skin damage.
When it was taken down from its display pole it was derigged rather brutally due to time constraints, so there are no wings (cut at the centre section) and the tail torque tubes were cut through.
THIS IS ONE OF ONLY FOUR F86s in the UK. So as such can only appreciate in value.


BiB: REALLY?

Ebay listing.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2017 6:26 pm
Well, he does have the wings and shit, they just have to be buffed out. I wonder who put it on the pole in Germany?
Carruthers • Mar 14, 2017 6:43 pm
Jever was an RAF airfield post WW2 until 1961 when it was returned to the GAF and became a NATO base.
I assume that the aircraft was pole mounted, as a monument of sorts, after the type was withdrawn from service.
Gravdigr • Mar 14, 2017 7:04 pm
Gravdigr;984024 wrote:
I'd take that 777 out on a country road where there ain't nobody around burn it, and collect the in$urance.


xoxoxoBruce;984041 wrote:
It's probably a rental.


If I were the rental company, I'd take that 777 out on a country road where there ain't nobody around burn it, and collect the in$urance.
Gravdigr • Mar 14, 2017 7:08 pm
Carruthers;984282 wrote:
Here's a project for the aspiring aircraft restorer.


I think that's how this one ended up, and it buffed out fine.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 15, 2017 10:04 pm
This photographer has a thing for noses, here's some of them...
glatt • Mar 16, 2017 8:23 am
I like them as art, divorced from what they actually are.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 1, 2017 12:01 pm
Those must be some strong-assed wings.
Gravdigr • Apr 1, 2017 4:49 pm
[ATTACH]59953[/ATTACH]
Gravdigr • Apr 8, 2017 5:15 pm
Yep, dude built hisself an airplane using KFC buckets (and the Magnus Effect) for wings:

[YOUTUBE]K6geOms33Dk[/YOUTUBE]

Skip to about the 8 or 9 minute mark for just the flying. Yes, it flies. Kinda.;)
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 8, 2017 6:58 pm
Great experience, think of all the things he learned that won't work.;)
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 12, 2017 4:20 am
Well, they'll bomb you when you're trying to be so good
They'll bomb you just like they said they would
They'll bomb you when you're trying to go home
And they'll bomb you when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so bummed
Everybody must get bombed
Gravdigr • Apr 12, 2017 1:04 pm
Ima get bombed. Tonight's bucket night.:jig:
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 12, 2017 6:20 pm
Puke Bucket?
glatt • Apr 14, 2017 10:15 pm
I'm on vacation in St. Augustine. The last several days I've been excited to see a biplane flying around every once in a while. I thought to myself the fourth or fifth time that I saw it that it would be cool to ride in it. And that was when I realized that that's exactly what it was doing. Giving rides.

Two days later....
Image

Image

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glatt • Apr 14, 2017 10:22 pm
Apparently there is a company that manufacturers brand new reproductions of a classic biplane. FAA certified with modern instruments but made of spruce frame and canvas.

My wife and daughter don't like flying much, so I went with my son. A 20 minute flight. It was an absolute blast.
Clodfobble • Apr 14, 2017 11:54 pm
Why specifically do you have to wear the swimming cap things?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 15, 2017 12:26 am
It amplifies the Snoopy fantasy. Curse you Red Barron.[/fist shaking] :haha:
sexobon • Apr 15, 2017 12:31 am
Women can't resist a man wearing a leather helmet.

[COLOR="Silver"]Some of those things, in black, were still in use when I went through military free fall training. I couldn't stand them.[/COLOR]
glatt • Apr 15, 2017 7:54 am
It served three functions that I could see. First was that a strap on the top of it goes across the headphone band and snapped down on place to keep them from blowing off. The pilot also said they helped to hold your sunglasses in place if you turn your head and the wind catches the lens sideways and tries to pull them off. And finally it keeps any long hair from whipping around into you face. Our airspeed was around 80 mph or so the one time I looked at our gauges. The windscreen is pretty effective but I am tall and the top of my head was sticking out into the wind.
glatt • Apr 15, 2017 7:58 am
Oh. And there were controls in both cockpits, so we had to be very careful where we had our feet and hands. He said another pilot flipped on landing because a passenger in the front cockpit stepped on the brakes just as they touched down and the plane flipped over.
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2017 4:31 am
That would be so cool.
glatt • Apr 16, 2017 6:45 pm
This is a long video, but you don't have to watch it.

[YOUTUBEWIDE]qQOvGbMUa1k[/YOUTUBEWIDE]
[YOUTUBE]qQOvGbMUa1k[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Apr 17, 2017 3:49 pm
Ha!

Tips are very appreciated!


Tips? Wingtips? Prop tips? Justthe tips?
Gravdigr • Apr 18, 2017 4:36 pm
Holy le fucque:

[YOUTUBE]f71V1-MTFGg[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Apr 18, 2017 5:51 pm
[ATTACH]60134[/ATTACH]
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 18, 2017 5:54 pm
Obviously James didn't listen when Q said don't touch that Bond. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 30, 2017 6:31 am
Don't fall out. :eek:
Gravdigr • Apr 30, 2017 4:13 pm
S70?! That's a Blackhawk. That chopper is ~65 feet long. I don't wanna be upside down in that!

Being upside down in that would go against everything in me that wants to live.:headshake
sexobon • Apr 30, 2017 4:24 pm
Imagine how Turkish paratroopers must feel.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 30, 2017 8:33 pm
Piece of cake, just whip it up to 200 mph, nose up till it rolls on it's back. Cut the throttle and the nose is so heavy it'll automatically go into a nose dive, then power on to pull up level. I'm so sure you can do it I'm going to take video from that hill over there. Best sun angle you see.
glatt • Apr 30, 2017 8:53 pm
Could it fly upside down? Not just do a loop? Can the rotors be angled so that they are pushing "up" instead of the normal "down" while it is upside down and be aggressive enough to maintain altitude?
sexobon • Apr 30, 2017 10:22 pm
In the event of an alien invasion, that would be useful for landing on the underside of flying saucers in the antigravity environment they create.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 30, 2017 10:56 pm
glatt;987833 wrote:
Could it fly upside down? Not just do a loop? Can the rotors be angled so that they are pushing "up" instead of the normal "down" while it is upside down and be aggressive enough to maintain altitude?

No, absolutely no, not a chance, and somebody slap him or give him coffee. :lol: That's model builders territory.
Gravdigr • May 1, 2017 5:24 pm
glatt;987833 wrote:
Could it fly upside down? Not just do a loop? Can the rotors be angled so that they are pushing "up" instead of the normal "down" while it is upside down and be aggressive enough to maintain altitude?


Only if you're on LSD.
Gravdigr • May 3, 2017 2:03 pm
Wait for it...

[YOUTUBE]pXxdUMbQmMM[/YOUTUBE]

Man, I hate when that happens.
Gravdigr • May 3, 2017 2:08 pm
[YOUTUBE]wd4kQ2Z-ZIg[/YOUTUBE]
BigV • May 3, 2017 5:20 pm
Gravdigr;987960 wrote:
Wait for it...

[YOUTUBE]pXxdUMbQmMM[/YOUTUBE]

Man, I hate when that happens.


Just up the road aways... No one hurt, some cars damaged.

Probably have to throw away those underwear.
Gravdigr • May 4, 2017 4:38 pm
BigV;987967 wrote:
Just up the road aways... No one hurt, some cars damaged.


That's because the pilot waited for the green light.

What? He did. Watch the traffic light before the plane comes into the picture.
Gravdigr • May 4, 2017 5:21 pm
Runway 10 may be out of use for some time.

Due to a vampire:

[YOUTUBE]gX3_mQZ4gY8[/YOUTUBE]
xoxoxoBruce • May 5, 2017 12:40 am
That's why you should seal your driveway every spring/summer to keep the water out of the cracks, or the first jet coming into your yard will rip it up, tear it up, Until you really don't know why, Until you don't know why. :rolleyes:
BigV • May 6, 2017 1:05 pm
maybe he forgot to retract his invisible tail hook.
xoxoxoBruce • May 11, 2017 2:33 am
Load 'em up, shoot 'em out. Rinse and repeat.
Gravdigr • May 11, 2017 4:01 pm
Every time I think about .50s on a plane I think of Bud Peterson:

[YOUTUBE]Q8LVlYJ5eJU[/YOUTUBE]

Life Lesson #39,736: Don't piss off Bud Peterson.
xoxoxoBruce • May 11, 2017 8:17 pm
Drumwings...
xoxoxoBruce • May 16, 2017 7:22 pm
I don't think any were saved...
Gravdigr • May 17, 2017 2:21 pm
You don't suppose they just painted 'em flat black and put jet engines on 'em?
xoxoxoBruce • May 17, 2017 8:22 pm
No, for some reason everytime they tried to fly somewhere the plane would circle around to where it started. ;)
Gravdigr • May 19, 2017 12:30 am
I used to know the scientific name for that effect, but, I've forgotten it.

Maybe it'll come back to me.
xoxoxoBruce • May 19, 2017 9:09 am
Boomerang. ;)
Gravdigr • May 21, 2017 2:38 pm
Supposedly the only recorded carrier landing during a sandstorm.

Persian Gulf, 2003:

[YOUTUBE]DvMqMIG81gw[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • May 23, 2017 3:59 pm
&#9834; &#9835;Next thing you know&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;Sukhoi got low, low, low, low, low, low, low, low&#9834; &#9835;


[ATTACH]60616[/ATTACH]

...like one meter low.:eek:
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2017 12:26 am
Douglas Sleepers
glatt • May 24, 2017 9:27 am
According to Boeing's site:
The first DC-3 built was the Douglas Sleeper Transport — also known as Skysleepers by airline customers — and it was the height of luxury. Fourteen plush seats in four main compartments could be folded in pairs to form seven berths, while seven more folded down from the cabin ceiling. The plane could accommodate 14 overnight passengers or 28 for shorter daytime flights. The first was delivered to American Airlines in June 1936, followed two months later by the first standard 21-passenger DC-3.


14 paying customers on an overnight flight.

According to Wikipedia the range was 1,500 miles and the cruise speed was just over 200mph. So a flight of maximum range, say NYC to Dallas, would take 7.5 hours. I can see why they would want a sleeper.

But I bet those tickets were expensive, adjusted for inflation. Only 14 customers to split the cost of the 7.5 hour flight.
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2017 10:24 am
The president of American Airlines talked Douglas into building the DC-3 because the DC-2 was too narrow to have berths on both sides. He promised to buy 20 planes. That's why the sleepers were built before the regular DC-3s and why the DC-3s were created in the first place. I'll bet the private cabin for two was really expensive, probably reserved for celebrities...

or honeymooners.:blush:
Gravdigr • Jun 1, 2017 1:20 pm
From the vid description:

Incredible afterburner footage featuring a MiG-29K fighter jet as it takes off from an Indian aircraft carrier during recent test flights with Russian pilots.


[YOUTUBE]Wy8VyLI6RbM[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Jun 1, 2017 2:32 pm
There's a new biggest-plane-in-the-world.

The Stratolaunch has a 385-foot wingspan, is 238 feet long, weighs 500,000 lbs, has 28 wheels, and has a maximum takeoff weight of 1.3 million lbs.

[ATTACH]60755[/ATTACH]

It will be used to launch rockets into low-earth orbit.

Stratolaunch Systems Corporation is owned by Microsoft founder Paul Allen.

Link
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 1, 2017 3:23 pm
I wonder how wide a runway that needs?
BigV • Jun 2, 2017 9:49 pm
xoxoxoBruce;989922 wrote:
I wonder how wide a runway that needs?


good question. if the wingspan is 385 feet, a solid third of that is between the fuselages, so, 260 feet track width say. plus however much shoulder they think is prudent.

I'm guessing it's designed to land and take off from ONE airfield, over and over. the airfield next to the railroad spur that's bringing the 800,000 pound rocket.
Gravdigr • Jun 3, 2017 7:20 pm
I'd assume fairly long, as well.



ETA:

From their website
Stratolaunch is currently under construction at the Mojave Air & Space Port in Mojave, Calif.


A quick GoogleEarth search tells us that one of the MA&SP's runways is ~2.5 miles long, and something like 233, or so, feet wide.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 3, 2017 7:36 pm
It will use six 747 engines, have a gross weight of more than 1.2 million pounds and a wingspan of more than 380 feet. For takeoff and landing, it will require a runway 12,000 feet long.


link
Gravdigr • Jun 3, 2017 7:37 pm
From their website
Stratolaunch is currently under construction at the Mojave Air & Space Port in Mojave, Calif.


A quick GoogleEarth search tells us that one of the MA&SP's runways is ~2.5 miles long, and something like 233, or so, feet wide.

Meanwhile, 20 miles away, is Edwards AFB.

With their ~18,000+ feet x ~300 feet runway with a dry lake for run-off
sexobon • Jun 3, 2017 7:51 pm
The Stratolaunch is supposed to carry a rocket to launch altitude. If they put a little extra fuel in the rocket and ignite it on the ground for a 30 second burn, that Stratolaunch will take off like a STOL aircraft. They'll just have to add some drogue chutes for the return landing.
sexobon • Jun 3, 2017 8:03 pm
I went through desert survival training in the Mojave at Edwards. The course the Air Force runs there is primarily for pilots and astronauts; but, they squeezed us SFers in when business was slow. Nice showroom dedicated to experimental aircraft and test pilots that flew there. Interesting experience.
Pamela • Jun 4, 2017 11:14 pm
There was an airshow in PA near Harrisburg, apparently. I got to watch an F4U Corsair going through it's routine right above me. Pretty cool.

I recognized the plane by the sound of the engine. Am I a nerd for that? :)
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 5, 2017 11:49 am
Yes, a plane old nerd. :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 9, 2017 1:44 am
Wee Willie's demise...
Gravdigr • Jun 9, 2017 12:27 pm
Man, I hate when that happens. That could ruin your day if ya let it.
glatt • Jun 9, 2017 1:38 pm
Reminds me of this amazing pilot's skills.
[YOUTUBE]F5H6SbqmJWM[/YOUTUBE]
glatt • Jun 9, 2017 1:39 pm
^P.S. That's a fake video^
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 10, 2017 12:21 am
Whoops... The F-104 pilot and XB-70 co-pilot died. The XB-70 pilot survived but was really fucked up.
Gravdigr • Jul 7, 2017 1:34 pm
[YOUTUBE]epa6WxEw1Xk[/YOUTUBE]

Much better bigger.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 7, 2017 1:36 pm
Maybe that's smoke from burning Lithium batteries. ;)
Gravdigr • Jul 8, 2017 3:56 pm
I could watch that all day.
Gravdigr • Jul 8, 2017 3:56 pm
Remember when America kicked ass? Remember when America was awesome?

[ATTACH]61239[/ATTACH]
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 8, 2017 11:04 pm
No, but I remember when most Americans people thought so.
sexobon • Jul 8, 2017 11:28 pm
I was at an Air Force base in Texas waiting on a C-130 to arrive for an airborne training operation. NASA's 747 with the piggybacked Space Shuttle was just sitting there on the tarmac, about a hundred yards away, apparently there for refueling. I walked right up to it and took a good look around it. Granted, I was in field uniform wearing jungle fatigues and a green beret; but, I don't think something like that could be done today without some armed security force intervening.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 8, 2017 11:32 pm
Unbeknownst to you, they were watching and had the sterilization ray trained on you the whole time. Have you fathered any kids since then? :headshake
Gravdigr • Jul 9, 2017 12:57 am
xoxoxoBruce;992074 wrote:
Have you fathered any kids since then? :headshake


Oh. Shit.

I think they got to me, too!:eek:
Gravdigr • Jul 17, 2017 2:15 pm
Cockpit view of a Stinson 108-3 [ATTACH]61320[/ATTACH] (<---not that one) airplane crash, with an esplanation of why it happened:

[YOUTUBE]OVM3RRd1vf0[/YOUTUBE]
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 18, 2017 12:53 am
Nonsense, anybody can see the prop was all wonky and kept throwing blades off during the flight, dozens of them. :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 27, 2017 12:47 am
Awesome Brit pilot...
Gravdigr • Jul 29, 2017 4:22 pm
B-1 Lancer

Watch at about the 2:05 mark, something goes floating across the screen on a parachute. Is this in the air (real?), or, is it superimposed on the vid? And wtf is it?

[YOUTUBE]9nvWHzNc_0U[/YOUTUBE]

Better bigger, of course.
sexobon • Jul 29, 2017 5:13 pm
Perhaps the Paradigm Acrobatic Team was airborne at the time, getting ready for; or, returning from a performance.

[ATTACH]61408[/ATTACH]
Elspode • Jul 29, 2017 8:49 pm
Gravdigr;993034 wrote:
B-1 Lancer

Watch at about the 2:05 mark, something goes floating across the screen on a parachute. Is this in the air (real?), or, is it superimposed on the vid? And wtf is it?

[YOUTUBE]9nvWHzNc_0U[/YOUTUBE]

Better bigger, of course.


Up until the 90's, my southern KC suburb town of Grandview, MO, was home to an air force base, Richards Gebaur. Their annual free airshow drew upwards of 350 to 400 thousand souls each year over the course of the weekend. I saw some amazing stuff there over the years, not to mention the stuff I saw flying in and out of there during the decades I lived there. However, bar none, the coolest thing was the Monday morning I went out to the patio surrounding the airport tower (no security in those days) and watched the planes departing for their home bases.

The star of *this* show was the B1-B. It made a maximum effort takeoff, quickly climbed to about 3000', then flew South a bit, making a wide turn, and returning to the North end of the base. At that point, wings now swung fully back, it headed back toward the flightline, descended to about 250' off the runway, and just as it was aligned with the tower (where about 100 people were now gathered and being informed by the ATC over the PA what each plane was and what they were doing as they left), the pilot kicked in the afterburners, stood this aircraft on its ass, and disappeared into a dot into the sky faster than you can say "holy shit!". It was impressive on every possible level, and something I'll never forget. The noise was unbelievable, and seeing this rather large aircraft performing more like a nimble fighter than a lumbering bomber was quite the eye opener.
Elspode • Jul 29, 2017 10:30 pm
xoxoxoBruce;990448 wrote:
Whoops... The F-104 pilot and XB-70 co-pilot died. The XB-70 pilot survived but was really fucked up.


Here's its mate, installed at the Museum of the United States Air Force in Dayton, Ohio 'lo these many years.
Gravdigr • Aug 1, 2017 4:34 pm
Airbus A400 performing a 'combat take-off':

[YOUTUBE]Qt8dXI0cCJk[/YOUTUBE]

:3_eyes::devil:

Better bigger.
Gravdigr • Aug 10, 2017 3:33 pm
Man, don't ya hate it when...

[ATTACH]61484[/ATTACH]
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2017 4:15 pm
On take off, with a full fuel load, lucky it didn't catch fire.
It going to take a lot of duct tape.
Gravdigr • Aug 10, 2017 4:50 pm
WTF?:eyebrow:

[ATTACH]61486[/ATTACH]

File was called "condensation vapor".

Yeah, I'm off that plane with a quickness.

Don't care.
glatt • Aug 10, 2017 5:37 pm
That happened on one of my flights. Stopped after a minute. Was in a humid southern city while pushing away from the gate.
Gravdigr • Aug 20, 2017 3:42 pm
"Oh, thank God! The helicopter's here. We'll be fine now."

"Shit."

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zippyt • Aug 20, 2017 4:11 pm
Dont know if this has been here befor but it cool nun the less
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/17/nazis-flying-artillery-henschel-hs129/
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 20, 2017 6:26 pm
Wow, Panzerknackers. :eek: I hadn't seen them before.
Gravdigr • Aug 24, 2017 3:22 pm
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Link
glatt • Aug 24, 2017 4:20 pm
That's surprising that batteries have gotten light enough that it has a range to make it worthwhile.

Off to read article...
glatt • Aug 24, 2017 4:24 pm
Four hours of flying time per charge. That is amazing.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 24, 2017 11:41 pm
Aircraft, unlike cars, usually don't have flight plans changed by traffic jams. They are however at the mercy of weather and airport "events". I'd feel much better with a fossil fuel generator on board. :unsure:
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 31, 2017 1:50 am
War is Hell...
fargon • Aug 31, 2017 12:39 pm
Ouch.
Pamela • Sep 10, 2017 12:25 am
Does that count as a prop strike?
Gravdigr • Sep 10, 2017 5:17 pm
If anything does...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 13, 2017 11:58 pm
Lots of designs around WW I.
Gravdigr • Sep 19, 2017 4:01 pm
SR-71 Blackbird, in progress:

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BigV • Sep 19, 2017 4:35 pm
Didja hear about the guy that went elk hunting with his plane?

Didn't turn out so good for the elk or the plane.

www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tillamookheadlightherald.com/news/airplane-crash-at-nehalem-bay-state-park-kills-pair-of/article_a8147066-9be7-11e7-930f-bfd27b0d4fd9.html&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwicr6uNjLLWAhVX-GMKHWMAB3gQFggdMAY&usg=AFQjCNEnH816AczEaL4Nlo78oxlpgSsTTg
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 19, 2017 8:02 pm
High and tit... anium. ;)
Gravdigr • Sep 20, 2017 2:01 pm
BigV;995925 wrote:
Didn't turn out so good for the elk or the plane.


I wonder if they got to keep the elk? I would have lobbied very hard for eating the elk that totaled my airplane:mad:.
BigV • Sep 20, 2017 10:12 pm
Meat *was* harvested from the elk.
Gravdigr • Sep 20, 2017 11:44 pm
A large quantity of elk meat was salvaged by the responding Fish and Wildlife troopers.


I thank you.

I missed that.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 22, 2017 12:08 pm
Not failure, success in finding what won't work...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2017 1:55 am
Pilots tend to be cocky but this one is over the top. Actually the test pilot was a woman.
Gravdigr • Oct 3, 2017 1:57 pm
The plane is painted like one of the few birds that cannot fly.:eyebrow:
Gravdigr • Oct 3, 2017 1:58 pm
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Gravdigr • Oct 7, 2017 1:35 pm
Umm, yeah...If you could not deploy the drag chute during take-off, that'd be great.

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Undertoad • Oct 7, 2017 1:54 pm
Wow

I had to get more on that so I looked around. Apparently the chute was on purpose and this was a ditch.

https://theaviationist.com/2017/09/27/new-video-shows-russian-tu-22m3-bomber-overshooting-runway-during-take-off-accident-at-shaikavka/
Gravdigr • Oct 7, 2017 2:15 pm
Good find.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 7, 2017 3:40 pm
I'm glad the years I was flying a lot came after they closed up both sides of the plane. ;)
Gravdigr • Oct 10, 2017 4:11 pm
xoxoxoBruce;996929 wrote:
I'm glad the years I was flying a lot came after they closed up both sides of the plane. ;)


Seems like that'd be loud. And windy.
sexobon • Oct 10, 2017 11:48 pm
OTOH, it would be fun to watch the stewardesses in skirts.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 14, 2017 2:53 pm
Sometimes ya gotta wait your turn...

[YOUTUBE]MgQIcK881es[/YOUTUBE]
captainhook455 • Oct 16, 2017 8:07 pm
That is a great idea. We could do that here in Nakina.
Gravdigr • Oct 18, 2017 1:18 pm
Clip from underwater ejection training film.
glatt • Oct 18, 2017 1:21 pm
That looks terrifying.
Gravdigr • Oct 18, 2017 1:48 pm
That's what I thought, but, I thought maybe it was cuz I don't swim well, at all.

Panic would prolly get me.
glatt • Oct 18, 2017 2:11 pm
Upon closer review it looks like he has air continuously delivered by the mask, so maybe it wouldn't be so incredibly bad. But swimming in leather boots and a helmet while strapped to a heavy chair and connected by lots of cords looks far from ideal.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 18, 2017 3:30 pm
No canopy and right side up in a well lit tank helps... but no thanks. :headshake
Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2017 3:04 pm
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Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2017 3:13 pm
Been reading a little on the C-130.

Here is a KC-130F (tanker for the Marines) on the USS Forrestal:

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Wiki:

In 1963, a Hercules achieved and still holds the record for the largest and heaviest aircraft to land on an aircraft carrier. During October and November that year, a USMC KC-130F (BuNo 149798), loaned to the U.S. Naval Air Test Center, made 29 touch-and-go landings, 21 unarrested full-stop landings and 21 unassisted take-offs on Forrestal at a number of different weights. The pilot, Lieutenant (later Rear Admiral) James H. Flatley III, USN, was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for his role in this test series. The tests were highly successful, but the idea was considered too risky for routine carrier onboard delivery (COD) operations. Instead, the Grumman C-2 Greyhound was developed as a dedicated COD aircraft. The Hercules used in the test, most recently in service with Marine Aerial Refueler Squadron 352 (VMGR-352) until 2005, is now part of the collection of the National Museum of Naval Aviation at NAS Pensacola, Florida.


That particular plane flew, in active service, for 42 more years.:eek::devil:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2017 11:32 pm
Since the chances of them dying were so great, the brass humored the bomber crews.
Must have used good paint.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2017 11:34 pm
Can't tell if the Nazis were more serious or more crazy.
Glinda • Oct 25, 2017 11:52 pm
[off-topic]

Gravdigr;997266 wrote:
Clip from underwater ejection training film.



I read that as "underwear ejection training film," and now my brain hurts.

[/off-topic]
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2017 11:57 pm
Did it make you hot? :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2017 10:31 am
I didn't know the P-47s had nose art except the Flying Tigers.
Gravdigr • Oct 28, 2017 3:57 pm
Heh, a P-47 don't got much nose to work with.
BigV • Oct 28, 2017 6:07 pm
This aerial footage would go here, except for the aircraft, noticeable by their absence.

I can't think of enough ways to say "No."
sexobon • Oct 28, 2017 8:46 pm
This jet powered hoverboard looks like fun. I haven't seen the video on YouTube yet; so, here's a news link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/nerdcore/finally-someone-has-designed-a-real-hoverboard-and-it-flies-at-80mph/vi-AAuacAs?ocid=HPCDHP
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 29, 2017 12:07 pm
That ain't no hover board, that's a flying Segway.
In practical terms, skeet. ;)
Gravdigr • Nov 1, 2017 1:27 am
...a gallon per minute...
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 1, 2017 12:22 pm
Whoops...
Gravdigr • Nov 2, 2017 3:23 pm
Man, that's an awfully clean break.
Gravdigr • Nov 2, 2017 3:27 pm
November 2

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1947 – In California, designer Howard Hughes performs the maiden (and only) flight of The Spruce Goose (or H-4 The Hercules), the largest fixed-wing aircraft ever built.
Elspode • Nov 3, 2017 10:21 pm
"The largest fixed wing aircraft ever built." Was there a larger rotary wing, or swing wing aircraft built???
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 4, 2017 12:00 am
Probably referring to Blimps and Dirigibles.
Gravdigr • Nov 4, 2017 5:34 pm
I think Paul Allen has built a wider wingspan plane hasn't he?

ETA: Yes, yes he has.
Happy Monkey • Nov 5, 2017 1:12 am
Reality is glitching
[YOUTUBE]J9k2nQMy55g[/YOUTUBE]
BigV • Nov 13, 2017 9:55 pm
I'm pausing that video to type this:

HM, if a fucking gremlin pops up on that screen, I will be very unhappy with you.


&#8220;Portrait of a frightened man: Mr. Robert Wilson, thirty-seven, husband, father, and salesman on sick leave. Mr. Wilson has just been discharged from a sanitarium where he spent the last six months recovering from a nervous breakdown, the onset of which took place on an evening not dissimilar to this one, on an airliner very much like the one in which Mr. Wilson is about to be flown home&#8212;the difference being that, on that evening half a year ago, Mr. Wilson's flight was terminated by the onslaught of his mental breakdown. Tonight, he's traveling all the way to his appointed destination, which, contrary to Mr. Wilson's plan, happens to be in the darkest corner of the Twilight Zone.&#8221;
Gravdigr • Nov 14, 2017 2:12 pm
Wouldn't it have been great if the video poster had created an account in the name of John Lithgow just to post that vid?

:lol2:
Gravdigr • Nov 14, 2017 2:15 pm
By the time we knew we were in trouble, we were safe.


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Matters Historical: ‘One-in-a-million shot’ saves plane, passengers after San Francisco Bay splashdown
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 14, 2017 7:00 pm
Amazing, sounds like the landing gear was sitting on the bottom. :eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 22, 2017 11:07 am
All dressed up...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 1, 2017 4:16 pm
Ford's last hurrah at aircraft until WWII production of other companies designs.
fargon • Dec 1, 2017 11:15 pm
Ford 15-P
https://oldmachinepress.com/2016/04/10/ford-15p-personal-aircraft/
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2017 9:01 pm
Before the capitalists gobbled 'em all up.
Gravdigr • Dec 14, 2017 4:07 pm
Repost, maybe:

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 14, 2017 4:27 pm
See, the world is flat. He's flying under the bottom side.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2017 9:47 am
Dropping 1000lb bombs...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 20, 2017 12:05 pm
Fighter pilots are badass, but only the best can shoot themselves down.
Gravdigr • Dec 20, 2017 2:38 pm
Wonder if that's ever happened?
glatt • Dec 20, 2017 3:12 pm
Seems like it would be very unlikely.
BigV • Dec 20, 2017 4:04 pm
SUPERPLANE.!

Faster than a (burst of) speeding bullets!
glatt • Dec 20, 2017 4:10 pm
Gravdigr;1000546 wrote:
Wonder if that's ever happened?


Thomas W. Attridge
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 21, 2017 12:28 am
Don't be a Lazy Lump, give 'em a link. Image
Gravdigr • Dec 21, 2017 12:32 am
I'll be damned.

I thank you.
Gravdigr • Dec 21, 2017 12:33 am
Hah! It's even the same link!:lol2:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 21, 2017 12:41 am
That's not where I got the picture but probably where it originated. ;)
Gravdigr • Jan 23, 2018 4:36 pm
Riding a Wild Wind, Passenger Jets Are Suddenly Flying 800 MPH:eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2018 4:38 pm
Coming in on A wing and a prayer.

[YOUTUBE]M359poNjvVA[/YOUTUBE]
captainhook455 • Jan 27, 2018 11:43 pm
Thats fucking awesome.
sexobon • Jan 28, 2018 12:36 am
So awesome it was worth repeating.
Gravdigr • Jan 28, 2018 4:03 pm
Stalker.
sexobon • Jan 28, 2018 5:05 pm
Oh, I don't think xoB was stalking you when he embedded the exact same YouTube video that you previously embedded. I'm sure he either didn't see it; or, just forgot about it. It can be difficult for many to read, let alone remember, everything an OCPD user does.
Griff • Jan 30, 2018 7:45 am
I don't know if we've seen this yet. They found and restored "That's All Brother." She was the lead paratrooper plane on D-Day.

[YOUTUBE]Y4OUbak2S5w[/YOUTUBE]

Please ignore the music and consider that this old girl is scheduled to show up for the 75th anniversary. That is pretty remarkable.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 30, 2018 9:48 am
Here's the story of the restoration.
Gravdigr • Jan 30, 2018 6:29 pm
I think he forgot something...

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captainhook455 • Feb 1, 2018 10:02 am
I don't think I would fly in that machine.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 5, 2018 7:59 pm
B-25s...
Gravdigr • Feb 8, 2018 3:52 pm
[ATTACH]63149[/ATTACH]

Stratovision
Carruthers • Feb 9, 2018 6:11 am
It's pretty quiet here at night and often it's possible to hear overflying aircraft well above 30,000'.
At about 0415 I heard jet engine noise from great height so went to FlightRadar 24 on my iPad.
By the time I managed to take a screen shot the aircraft in question was some miles away over NW London...

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I know that specialised cargo variants of large aircraft are developed from time to time but this one had escaped my attention.
Here's the beast in question.

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Boeing Dreamlifter
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 9, 2018 9:50 am
Yes, it was built to haul Paul Bunyan and his family to various book signing events. Just hope they don't flush the toilet over your house.
Carruthers • Feb 9, 2018 10:15 am
xoxoxoBruce;1003787 wrote:
Just hope they don't flush the toilet over your house.


They wouldn't dare. It's marked on aeronautical charts as an H24 No Flush Zone. :Flush:
Carruthers • Feb 27, 2018 5:48 am
The nature of low flying in North Wales provides numerous photo opportunities.
You probably have to be faster than the aircraft though.
Aspiring action photographers with a black hood and magnesium flash are unlikely to achieve much success.

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The aircrew of a US air force F-15E Strike Eagle are calmness personified while practicing low level flying in an area of Snowdonia, Wales, known as the Machynlleth Loop.
The so-called Mach Loop is in a set of valleys near Barmouth, and it is possible to view the warplanes from above.


Daily Telegraph

Mach Loop
glatt • Feb 27, 2018 8:12 am
Even top mechanics and ground crews of one of the worlds finest military organizations have trouble dusting the dashboard where the base of the windshield gets down into that narrow spot where it meets the dash. I don't feel so bad about my car.
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2018 1:46 pm
So...There I was...

Standing in the backyard, with my di--er--my camera in my hand, when I looked up and saw a passenger plane going over.

I yelled "Boss!! De plane! De Plane!!!" Well, I didn't really, but, I thought it. And then I thought "There's a camera in your hand with the long lens on, take a picture dumbass."

So I did.

Full size crop:

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Manual focus, full 300mm tele, handheld, on a moving target. Through the tree, no less. I was kinda impressed with the outcome. Not a great pic, certainly not a keeper, but, it was soooo much better than I was expecting.

A couple minutes later I looked up again, and waaaaay out there was another plane. I mean it was waaaaaay out there, a mere white speck, floating silently through the sky. I remembered the camera in my hand, so I took a pic. And another, because electrons are free, well almost.

Then I reviewed these most recent pics on the back of my camera. My first thought was "Wtf?" and my very next thought was "No. Fucking. Way."

Now, my camera's screen is a pretty good display, so good in fact, that it regularly lies to me concerning the quality of pics I've just taken, so I wasn't 100% sure I was seeing exactly what I was seeing.

I immediately went to the computer, shoved the card in the slot, and clicked the thing.

"No. Fucking. Way."

I'd just taken two pictures of an AWACS plane!

Both untouched full size crops:

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Auto focus, full 300mm tele, handheld, on a moving target.

I was totally stoked for a while. I'm not real sure why.

Do those airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) regularly patrol the skies over civilian Murka? Did I do something rare and cool by snapping one in flight (from the ground?)? Should I expect a visit from men in dark suits driving black SUVs?
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2018 1:55 pm
For comparison, the EC-3 Sentry, of which Boeing built 68. Production ended in 1992.

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They were built on 707 bodies. Some 767s have the AWAC treatment. Idk how many or when they were produced.

ETA: My pics are not of the 767 variety. My plane has four engines, 767s have two.
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2018 2:06 pm
I was trying ID the airline of the plane in my first pic, but got bored real fast.

Also: Anyone know how to track a two-day-old-flight?
Carruthers • Feb 28, 2018 2:10 pm
Should I expect a visit from men in dark suits driving black SUVs?


I think you'll be OK Grav, but it probably wouldn't be wise to try the same trick in certain parts of Nevada. If you get my meaning. ;)
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2018 2:14 pm
I do.

:D
Carruthers • Feb 28, 2018 2:37 pm
Gravdigr;1004718 wrote:
I was trying ID the airline of the plane in my first pic, but got bored real fast.


Not posted with any great confidence, but I think this might be what you're looking for.

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Delta Airlines Embraer ERJ 145
glatt • Feb 28, 2018 3:11 pm
That's not something you see every day!
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2018 9:27 pm
Without a 300mm lens how would you know how many you see.:unsure:
Griff • Mar 3, 2018 11:43 am
Gravdigr;1004713 wrote:


A couple minutes later I looked up again, and waaaaay out there was another plane. I mean it was waaaaaay out there, a mere white speck, floating silently through the sky. I remembered the camera in my hand, so I took a pic. And another, because electrons are free, well almost.

Then I reviewed these most recent pics on the back of my camera. My first thought was "Wtf?" and my very next thought was "No. Fucking. Way."

Now, my camera's screen is a pretty good display, so good in fact, that it regularly lies to me concerning the quality of pics I've just taken, so I wasn't 100% sure I was seeing exactly what I was seeing.

I immediately went to the computer, shoved the card in the slot, and clicked the thing.

"No. Fucking. Way."

I'd just taken two pictures of an AWACS plane!

Both untouched full size crops:

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[ATTACH]63301[/ATTACH]

Auto focus, full 300mm tele, handheld, on a moving target.

I was totally stoked for a while. I'm not real sure why.

Do those airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) regularly patrol the skies over civilian Murka? Did I do something rare and cool by snapping one in flight (from the ground?)? Should I expect a visit from men in dark suits driving black SUVs?


Well fair his fair since he's taking pictures of you!
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2018 5:08 pm
They got tired of spinning those props.
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 3:50 pm
Designed by a one-handed former prop spinner, I assume?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2018 4:03 pm
Actually he was a pilot.
Bentfield Charles Hucks (25 October 1884 – 7 November 1918) was an aviation innovator in the early 20th century. As well as test flying numerous aircraft types, he was the first Briton to perform a loop in an aircraft, which he performed in his Blériot at Hendon airfield in September 1913.[1] He is also credited with the Hucks starter and many feats of test flying during the First World War, while working at Hendon for Airco.
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 4:10 pm
Was he hit in the face by a flying hand/arm from a soon-to-be-one-handed-former-prop-spinner?
Gravdigr • Mar 10, 2018 3:05 pm
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Glinda • Mar 17, 2018 2:28 pm
Some hippy in Portland has started a campaign to remove the Air National Guard unit from the local scene, because their regular sorties to protect our fucking coastline hurt his ears.

Complaint targets military jets over Portland neighborhoods

I daresay his ears would ring much louder if Pootie or Lil Kim lobbed a nuke our way. :eyebrow:
Gravdigr • Mar 17, 2018 3:34 pm
Pootie and Li'l Kim...:lol2:
Glinda • Mar 17, 2018 4:51 pm
poot
noun
Word used by the religious in place of the objectionable word "fart." Farts usually follow a day of drinking draft beer and eating soft-boiled eggs, whereas a poot is usually let loose on a church pew after a healthy breakfast of grapefruit and bran muffins. Both can have a nosehair curling stench and loud reverberating echoes, however the poot is usually excused as "God's Little Airhorn."

:rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 18, 2018 3:09 am
If the jets are so loud the "neighborhood felt like being in a war zone", why do they need billboards to make them aware of it?
Glinda • Mar 18, 2018 1:59 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1005904 wrote:
If the jets are so loud the "neighborhood felt like being in a war zone", why do they need billboards to make them aware of it?


Years ago, I worked in downtown Vancouver, roughly seven miles from the PDX Air National Guard base as the F-15 Eagle flies. Every day, at 8:45 am and 12:45 pm, when the jets took off for another sortie, everyone for at least 15 miles around heard the noise.

You're right, this guy isn't telling anyone anything they didn't already know. I'm sure the noise next to the airport is incredible every time the Air National Guard jets take off, but most of us aren't stupid enough to live next to an Air National Guard base expecting anything else.

:violin:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 18, 2018 4:38 pm
I worked two miles from Philly Airport, right on the river which was the landing/tale off route depending on the wind direction. At peak hours the planes would be less than a minute apart. It was spooky quiet for three days after 9-11-01.
Glinda • Mar 19, 2018 11:54 am
xoxoxoBruce;1005918 wrote:
I worked two miles from Philly Airport, right on the river which was the landing/tale off route depending on the wind direction. At peak hours the planes would be less than a minute apart. It was spooky quiet for three days after 9-11-01.


I was living in the SF Bay Area at that time, and had a great view from my condo of the skies over the Bay. That first night, I stood on my balcony and marveled at the empty skies - no planes at all. Very spooky.

But every now and then, there were a few lights in the sky from military jets patrolling the Bay and coastline. Seeing those occasional lights in the sky was very heartening, knowing that the Air National Guard and other military groups were out there on the job, (making noise and) keeping me safe.

These days, out here in SW WA, lights in the night sky belong almost exclusively to the stars, but I do get the occasional convoy of six or eight military helicopters passing extremely close by. It always gives the creeps. :rolleyes:
Carruthers • Mar 25, 2018 5:20 am
Being awake at some ungodly hour, I switched on the radio to a local station in London which I wouldn't ordinarily bother with due to reception out here being poor at times.
Essentially it's just background noise for me, but when conversation came around to aircraft I paid attention.
They were following the progress of the first non-stop scheduled flight from Perth to London. Read on...

The first non-stop flight from Australia to Britain has touched down at Heathrow. Qantas flight 9 from Perth, capital of Western Australia, landed at 5.02am after a flight that had lasted 17 hours and covered 9,050 miles.

The route took the aircraft over the Indian Ocean, Sri Lanka, the southern tip of India, Oman, the UAE, Iran, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium.

After a flight through the night, the Boeing 787 Dreamliner made landfall over Foulness Island in Essex, and flew over north London and Berkshire before landing on the southern runway at Heathrow.

Previously, all Australia-UK flights had stopped at least once en route to refuel. But improved technology and fuel efficiency means the 787 can cover the ground between Perth and London with a full payload without the need to stop.

The first passenger to emerge was Robert Williamson, a mining executive from Perth who had travelled in business class. He told The Independent: &#8220;It was surprisingly good - above my expectation. I feel really good.&#8221;

Peter Robinson, a builder from Liverpool who now lives in Perth, flew in economy. He said the flight was &#8220;good, quicker than I thought&#8221;, but described the food as &#8220;ordinary&#8221;.

&#8220;There were cameras everywhere on the plane,&#8221; he said. &#8220;All the presenters from Perth TV are here.&#8221;

Four pilots operated the flight, with Captain Lisa Norman in command. She told The Independent: &#8220;This is absolutely the pinnacle of my career.

&#8220;No one has ever done this before. I&#8217;ve flown into Perth lots, and I&#8217;ve flown into London lots, but I&#8217;ve actually never joined the two dots together before.&#8221;

CNN&#8217;s business presenter, Richard Quest, emerged from the flight to say: &#8220;I think they&#8217;ve nailed it. They have made what could be an extremely unpleasant experience into something quite enjoyable.&#8221;

Alan Joyce, the chief executive of Qantas, said: &#8220;This is a gamechanger. This is a historic moment for Australia, and historic for Qantas.&#8221;


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The Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner carried than 230 passengers and crew

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The Independent


The Guardian

Great Circle Mapper


Friends who now live in Perth make the journey back to the UK at least once a year and take flights which typically stop at Singapore or Dubai.
They tend to stop for 24 hours at these staging posts rather than hop back on the plane for another eight or ten hours of tedium.
I couldn't face the journey no matter how it was arranged!
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2018 10:16 am
With just two engines and a woman pilot, the times they are a changing... for the better. :thumb2:
Carruthers • Mar 25, 2018 10:48 am
xoxoxoBruce;1006203 wrote:
With just two engines and a woman pilot, the times they are a changing... for the better. :thumb2:


Enjoying as I do, a little light reading, I had a look at the ETOPS rules.
I'm not sure that I would like to be on a twin engine heavy with an engine out over water and potentially three hours from landing. :eek:

ETA The aircraft left London for Perth at about 1230GMT and is presently over Romania.
I expect that it recovered from the first leg rather quicker than the passengers and crew will.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 29, 2018 2:18 am
5 meter wingspan model of this Russian K-7 monster...

[YOUTUBE]u5Jo3JV42h8[/YOUTUBE]
Carruthers • Apr 4, 2018 10:56 am
If you're going to steal something, then steal something big.
You might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb.
Back in 1969 a USAF sergeant stole a C130 from RAF Mildenhall in an attempt to fly it back to the US to be with his wife who was under considerable emotional distress.
Under the circumstances one can only have sympathy with the poor chap.
The aircraft eventually crashed in the English Channel about twenty miles north of the Cherbourg peninsula.
Rumours have circulated for years to the effect that it was shot down by either US or RAF aircraft although nothing has ever been proven.
Now a team of divers is hoping to find the aircraft and shed some more light on the affair.

From Stars & Stripes 3rd April 2018:

RAF MILDENHALL, England — Almost 50 years ago Sgt. Paul Adams Meyer, a U.S. Air Force assistant crew chief, got drunk, impersonated an officer and stole a C-130 Hercules from RAF Mildenhall in England so he could fly home to his new wife. Two hours later he crashed into the English Channel.

Now a team of British divers called Deeper Dorset hopes to raise 6,000 pounds ($8,430) on an all-or-nothing Kickstarter to find the plane and uncover the truth behind the crash.

The divers have until April 11 to meet their fund-raising goal or go back to the drawing board.

“We’ve known about the Hercules story for about 10 years, and it’s one of those stories that grabs the imagination,” said Deeper Dorset photographer Simon Brown. “It’s a human tale as much as research of as to where it is.”

What happened to Meyer has been subject to rumor and speculation for nearly half a century.

An Air Force investigation found that at least two U.S. F-100 Super Sabre fighter jets from RAF Lakenheath, a C-130 from Mildenhall and two RAF English Electric Lightning interceptors attempted contact with Meyers before he crashed into the English Channel near Alderney Island.

“Leave me alone for about five minutes, I’ve got trouble,” Meyer said in his final transmission to his wife in a link-up over the sideband radio.

Members of Deeper Dorset believe they can locate the missing Hercules using existing research, sonar and photogrammetry, a technique that builds 3-D models of wreckage.

“We’ve nailed down where we think the aircraft might be within a 10-square-mile box,” Brown said. “Within that box there’s five hot spots. Places where people have reported losing fishing gear or snagging something, and those kinds of snags are usually man-made.”

The diving team’s previous successes include locating La Mahenge, an 8,000-ton cargo ship found 120 meters deep in the English Channel, and a British M1 submarine found 81 meters deep in waters off the port of Plymouth.

The Kickstarter goal covers running costs of 25 days at sea, which is about a year of searching, taking into consideration weather and tides

“I think this project is too interesting to just let it pass, and with the Kickstarter goal it can happen sooner and we’ll be able to share more about what we find,” Brown said.

For more information or to donate, go to kickstarter.com/projects/979818757/finding-meyers-missing-hercules.


Stars & Stripes

USAF Incident Report
Diaphone Jim • Apr 4, 2018 5:12 pm
Dubai seems to make more sense as a stopover than Singapore.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 5, 2018 3:46 pm
Biomimicry...
Gravdigr • Apr 5, 2018 3:56 pm
That's where NACA ducts came from, too.

Great comparison.
Gravdigr • Apr 5, 2018 4:52 pm
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Just doesn't have the same ring to it.:headshake
gtown • Apr 9, 2018 12:53 pm
Try the next generation of Guthries:

&#9834; &#9835; Coming in from Bangladesh from over the pole
Flying in a dirty airliner
Chickens flying everywhere around the plane
Could we ever feel much finer?
l&#9834; &#9835;
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 11, 2018 3:41 pm
Holy airplane, Batman... :eek:
Gravdigr • Apr 11, 2018 3:52 pm
Swiss cheese comes to mind...
Gravdigr • Apr 12, 2018 3:26 pm
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Didja see what's going on there? How long did it take?

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Happy Monkey • Apr 16, 2018 4:14 pm
I notice that, while most jet engines have air intakes, this one appears to have an anger intake.
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2018 6:29 pm
That plane is kinda like this birb.
Gravdigr • Apr 26, 2018 3:27 pm
So...Was there a fly over at Verne Troyer's funeral?:eyebrow:

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Gravdigr • May 3, 2018 3:56 pm
Austrian Airlines hangs their flight attendants by the neck for more efficient service:

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Gravdigr • May 3, 2018 4:00 pm
Itcanliftwhutnow?:eyebrow:

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xoxoxoBruce • May 3, 2018 9:51 pm
Hey it's FOX. Assume it's a lie and expand from there.
Griff • May 4, 2018 4:01 pm
It's an entertainment company, are you not entertained?
xoxoxoBruce • May 4, 2018 6:28 pm
I'm not amuse at them naming the helicopter after me. ;)
Carruthers • May 13, 2018 5:02 am
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The pilot of a light aircraft which had to make an emergency landing on a beach in Devon this evening has spoken out about the incident.

Zac Rockey was flying the vintage plane along the Jurassic Coast when the engine failed.

The nearest area for him to make an emergency landing was Jacob’s Ladder beach at Sidmouth, which he did safely at about 5pm.

The experienced pilot had been asked to take the aircraft, by its owners, down to Bodmin Airfield for an event to mark the 100 anniversary of the end of the First World War; the era the plane is from.

It was on his return that he started to get into difficultly.

He said: “We flying along taking in the it began to lose power, it failed, the options available to me in the cockpit didn’t work. So I had to look somewhere to land.

“You look for somewhere near something or people so that if there are complications you will be able to get help more easily.

“You know what I have had better runways. It was not ideal.”

He added that all his training came into play as he dealt with the situation, which could have been a lot worse.

Zac was showing the aircraft off to a prospective buyer while at Bodmin but it had not been successful.

He also thanked the coastguard crews for their help and support following the incident.

The plane will now need to be dismantled in order to get it off the beach.


Devon Live

An engine out landing, in a tail dragger, on a stony beach alongside cliffs.
It's not exactly the best hand ever dealt. :eek:

Landing site from the air (Google).
xoxoxoBruce • May 13, 2018 10:54 am
Why can't they load it on a barge rather than dismantling?
Carruthers • May 13, 2018 1:03 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1008412 wrote:
Why can't they load it on a barge rather than dismantling?


The problem there is that having lifted it off a barge at a convenient small port, it would still have to be dismantled and transported by road to an airfield for repair.
Easier to dismantle it where it stands and load straight on to a road vehicle.

Pictures of the dismantling process.
xoxoxoBruce • May 13, 2018 3:47 pm
I understand why they can't take off from the beach but if they got it to solid ground they could just pop in a new hamster and fly away.
Gravdigr • May 13, 2018 3:52 pm
Take a rubber band, a really big rubber band, slip one end around the tail skid, slip the other end around that U-shaped hook sticking out the back of the propeller. Then, wind that sucker really tight...
Gravdigr • May 13, 2018 4:41 pm
I'm photo safari'ing the other day when I happen to look up and see this plane making a long sweeping turn, and decided to take a practice [strike]shot[/strike] picture. Which isn't the best pic I've ever taken.

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Is it just me, or do the proportions of the plane look a little 'fat'? It looks to be a particularly fat-bodied plane, doesn't it? Is it just me?

I thought maybe it was one of the newer planes, like a Dreamliner, or Airbus A380. Nope.

Idk what I took a pic of.
Gravdigr • May 13, 2018 4:41 pm
It's short and fat, like me.:D
Carruthers • May 13, 2018 4:58 pm
Gravdigr;1008425 wrote:
I'm photo safari'ing the other day when I happen to look up and see this plane making a long sweeping turn, and decided to take a practice [strike]shot[/strike] picture. Which isn't the best pic I've ever taken.

Is it just me, or do the proportions of the plane look a little 'fat'? It looks to be a particularly fat-bodied plane, doesn't it? Is it just me?

I thought maybe it was one of the newer planes, like a Dreamliner, or Airbus A380. Nope.

Idk what I took a pic of.


See my post #557 on Page 38.
I think that will shed some light on the subject.

Forgive me for not posting a proper link, but I'm using my iPad and it's more of an art than a science when it comes to the finer points of interwebbery.
xoxoxoBruce • May 13, 2018 8:03 pm
Not likely, Dreamlifters and such are rarer than hen's teeth. Not impossible, just not likely.
Gravdigr • May 14, 2018 3:48 pm
I think I saw a Dreamlifter!!!

Wiki says there are four of them. And I think the plane in my post is one of them. Blue engine nacelles, check. Natural-finish wings, check. The 'step' in the fuselage above and behind the cockpit, check. Stubby tail, check.

I think I saw a Dreamlifter!!!
Gravdigr • May 14, 2018 3:52 pm
Carruthers, thank you very much for the info, sir.



This puts a Dreamlifter, and an AEWACS plane in the ol' plane spottin' game bag.:cool:



Look uuuuuuup!!
Carruthers • May 14, 2018 4:07 pm
Gravdigr;1008455 wrote:
Carruthers, thank you very much for the info, sir.


My pleasure!

Using the registration of the aircraft in my earlier post, N718BA, I went to Flightradar24 and did a search which produced details of recent flights by that aircraft:

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Registrations of the other three aircraft should be easy to find so you could carry out searches and then correlate aircraft flights and dates.
If you go down that road, perhaps you'd let us know which route 'your' aircraft was on. :thumb:

PS Sorry about the Honda ad!
Diaphone Jim • May 14, 2018 7:42 pm
An interesting whoops with pics and vids:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511166/Boeing-747-Dreamlifter-plane-stuck-tiny-Kansas-airport.html

Does anyone else remember the Guppy?
http://www.tested.com/science/space/533738-nasas-super-guppyawkward-old-and-irreplaceable/
xoxoxoBruce • May 14, 2018 9:13 pm
I do.
Gravdigr • May 17, 2018 4:10 pm
Carruthers;1008457 wrote:
Registrations of the other three aircraft should be easy to find so you could carry out searches and then correlate aircraft flights and dates.
If you go down that road, perhaps you'd let us know which route 'your' aircraft was on. :thumb:


My pic is a bit old for tracking, I think. It was actually taken on 4/20/18.

I don't want to join up w/a gold membership to track it.

But, I didn't know I could track an older flight, though. So thanks for teaching me that.:)
Gravdigr • May 19, 2018 3:16 pm
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Carruthers • May 19, 2018 5:24 pm
I've often wondered how a sudden discharge of water or other material might affect the aircraft's C of G.
Presumably a swift re-trimming is required or perhaps the necessary measures are built in.
Anyway, an impressive bit of flying!
xoxoxoBruce • May 19, 2018 8:53 pm
They try to dump from the center of the aircraft, and fortunately loss of weight tends to make the aircraft rise. Paying attention is a plus.
Gravdigr • May 20, 2018 4:31 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1008734 wrote:
Paying attention is a plus.


:yesnod:
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2018 6:45 pm
Ah, true truth finally revealed...
xoxoxoBruce • May 31, 2018 9:40 pm
Why some jet engines are mounted under the wings and some are mounted near the tail...

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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 1, 2018 11:06 pm
&#9835; Coming in from London from over the pole
&#9834; Flying in a big airliner
&#9835; Chicken flying everywhere around the plane
&#9834; Could we ever feel much finer

But only on the right airline and having paid Putin.

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Carruthers • Jun 2, 2018 5:01 am
A mention of Korean Airlines flights 902 and 007, both shot down by the Soviet Union, would have added a bit more Cold War context to the video.

Korean Air Lines Flight 902

Korean Air Lines Flight 007

I was taken aback by the fact that Russia profits by about $100 per passenger.
My connections with aviation have long since vanished in the mists of time so things might well have changed, but my understanding is that route charges are levied by states providing navigational infrastructure and air traffic control services to overflying aircraft.
By definition they can't levy landing fees so en-route charges are made instead.
I didn't think that they could be used as a passenger tax which now appears to be the case.
Gravdigr • Jun 5, 2018 6:36 pm
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Gravdigr • Jun 12, 2018 4:23 pm
Gravdigr;1004713 wrote:
I'd just taken two pictures of an AWACS plane!


First pic in the OP, edited:

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Carruthers • Jun 12, 2018 4:57 pm
You might like to have a look here:

https://www.adsbexchange.com/

Click on the 'Global Radar View' tab for a comprehensive real time representation of air traffic around you.
Unlike other sites, it doesn't filter out military traffic. From the above screen, go to options and enable the filter for military traffic.
It should shed some light on the wanderings of your AWACS next time you see it.
Gravdigr • Jun 12, 2018 5:07 pm
Much obliged.[/tipofhat]
Gravdigr • Jun 14, 2018 3:04 pm
An Airbus A380 took a 'nosedive' over the Pacific after flying through turbulence caused by another A380

The 'another A380' was flying 1,000 feet higher, and twenty-three miles ahead of the first one.:3_eyes:
BigV • Jun 14, 2018 9:10 pm
Gravdigr;1010144 wrote:
An Airbus A380 took a 'nosedive' over the Pacific after flying through turbulence caused by another A380

The 'another A380' was flying 1,000 feet higher, and twenty-three miles ahead of the first one.:3_eyes:


Just means the turbulent vortexes had to persist for two to three minutes.. not *that* long to dissipate.
Carruthers • Jun 15, 2018 5:16 am
A Bombardier Challenger 604 had an encounter with A380 wake turbulence over the Arabian Sea which nearly ended in disaster.

The pilots told accident investigators how they lost control of the aircraft in a wake turbulence encounter that caused the CL604 to drop 9,000 ft and roll through “several rotations.”

The pilots of a Bombardier Challenger 604 have told accident investigators how they lost control of the aircraft in a January encounter with wake turbulence from an Airbus 380 that caused the CL604 to drop 9,000 ft and roll through “several rotations,” according to an interim report from the German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accident Investigation.

The report said the temporary loss of control occurred about one minute after the A380 passed overhead, headed in the opposite direction, about 1,000 ft above the CL604, in Indian airspace over the Arabian Sea.

As the CL604 rolled left, its autopilot and a number of instruments and cockpit displays failed, including the inertial reference systems, the flight management system and the attitude indication, the report said.

The pilot-in-command told accident investigators that, “since the sky had been blue and the ocean’s surface almost the same colour, he had been able to recognize the aircraft’s flight attitude with the help of the clouds,” the report said.

The airplane experienced “large control surface deflections and acceleration,” and its left engine had to be shut off because of increases in the inter-stage turbine temperature, the report said.
A Bombardier Challenger 604 business jet had an encounter with A380 wake turbulence over the Arabian Sea which nearly ended in disaster.
The crew told air traffic control in Mumbai about the occurrence and declared an emergency, then restarted the left engine and diverted the flight to Muscat International Airport in Oman.

The CL604 was headed from Malé, Maldive Islands, to Al-Bateen, United Arab Emirates, with three crewmembers and six passengers; two passengers were seriously injured, and two other passengers and a flight attendant received minor injuries. The report characterized the airplane as substantially damaged, and added that Bombardier had said that the airframe “could not be restored to an airworthy state.”

The A380 was en route from Dubai to Sydney, Australia.

Investigation of the event is continuing.


LINK
Gravdigr • Jun 15, 2018 2:29 pm
“...could not be restored to an airworthy state.”


Wow. Wonder who get$ to pay for that?
Carruthers • Jun 15, 2018 2:35 pm
Gravdigr;1010211 wrote:
Wow. Wonder who get$ to pay for that?


I was talking to Dad about that incident earlier and he asked exactly the same question.

I didn't have an answer other than to say that the lawyers were circling.

It would take more than wake turbulence from an A380 to knock that lot out of the sky.
Gravdigr • Jun 15, 2018 2:44 pm
Hah!:D
Carruthers • Jun 28, 2018 6:06 am
Another day in the Mach Loop

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Aircraft enthusiasts enjoyed a treat yesterday as the US air force carried out low-flying training using F-15 jets in the Mach Loop valleys in Wales.
The valleys, between Dolgellau and Machynlleth are regularly used for military training. The F-15 is the primary fighter jet of the US Air Force.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 28, 2018 9:45 am
Look at all those practice targets for ground support practice. :evil2:
Carruthers • Jun 28, 2018 10:05 am
The 'practice targets' are occasionally rewarded with humour:

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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 29, 2018 11:17 pm
After a successful bomb run, they had a BBQ lunch on the way home...
Gravdigr • Jun 30, 2018 3:29 pm
"What did they BBQ?"

"Waist gunner."
Gravdigr • Jun 30, 2018 4:01 pm
...every time I give him a bath...:facepalm:

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Carruthers • Jun 30, 2018 5:16 pm
Gravdigr;1010939 wrote:
...every time I give him a bath...:facepalm:

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That's a Jaguar ground attack aircraft. I thought it was an RAF example at first, but closer inspection reveals French Air Force roundels.
So that's OK. ;)
Gravdigr • Jul 3, 2018 11:31 am
:D
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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 4, 2018 9:48 pm
Pravda says...

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The Pentagon has published a report, in which it was acknowledged that 50% of fifth-generation F-35 fighters were not suitable for combat action. Specialists have not been able to resolve a lot of technical deficiencies, which the renowned aircraft had been repeatedly criticised for. The efforts made have failed to improve the reliability of the fighters since 2014, despite the growth of their number. Improved versions of software for the fighter have had 31 updates, but key shortcomings have not yet been corrected. Thus, as many as 1,000 flaws make the F-35 fighter aircraft just common aircraft. For example, F-35B modifications for the Marine Corps and F-35C for aircraft carriers cannot be refuelled in the air.
Gravdigr • Jul 5, 2018 4:23 pm
And they wouldn't tell ya wrong, now would they?;)
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 5, 2018 7:31 pm
You're Putin me on. :rolleyes:
But they have plenty of ammo to work with, the F-35 is a very fucked up program. Should be building Warthogs.
Gravdigr • Jul 6, 2018 2:44 pm
Fuckin' A.

Slow and low, that is the tempo!
BigV • Jul 6, 2018 8:41 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1011192 wrote:
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Should be building Warthogs.


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Carruthers • Jul 11, 2018 10:05 am
A drone or UAV is presently en-route from Grand Forks ND to RAF Fairford, England where it will be on static display at the Royal International Air Tattoo.

I've just done a couple of very quick screen grabs...

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Click here for live tracking: FR24

I've just been looking at the Notam for this flight and find that it is neither a drone nor a UAV. It's a Remotely Piloted Aircraft System.
I'm pleased to have been able to clear up that little misunderstanding. ;)
Undertoad • Jul 11, 2018 11:02 am
But FlightTracker says type = "DRON"! :D

Good one, I see it circled for traffic before turning ESE and making landfall
Carruthers • Jul 11, 2018 11:12 am
Undertoad;1011477 wrote:
But FlightTracker says type = "DRON"! :D


So it does! Well spotted, sir! :thumb:

Good one, I see it circled for traffic before turning ESE and making landfall


There's a large restricted area out in Cardigan Bay where the circling took place.
It's used by Llanbedr airfield where drone development work is carried out.

A small airfield in Snowdonia is at the forefront of testing and developing unmanned drone aircraft (UAVs) for civilian use.

Tackling environmental issues such as coastal flooding and erosion and fisheries protection duties are just some of the tasks being undertaken as part of Project Meredith at Llanbedr airfield near Harlech.

The initiative, led by defence technology firm Qinetiq, is the first major UAV test and evaluation project at the Snowdonia Aerospace Centre, formerly RAF Llanbedr.

Jeremy Howitt of Qinetiq said the airfield at Llanbedr is ideal for the project and he wants it to become the UK’s main test centre for drones, which has attracted protests in the past.


Link

ETA It's just been brought to my attention that the drone is accompanied by a helicopter which is doing air to air photography.
Unless you zoom in, the chopper symbol can't be seen under N190TC.
I understand that is what was going on over Cardigan Bay.
Undertoad • Jul 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Now just circling, they must be showing off. :D
Carruthers • Jul 11, 2018 12:14 pm
Undertoad;1011481 wrote:
Now just circling, they must be showing off. :D


And in remarkably close proximity to the GCHQ site at Cheltenham.

I feel a conspiracy theory coming on. :eek:
BigV • Jul 11, 2018 12:52 pm
What is the difference between a unmanned aircraft and a remotely piloted aircraft?
Carruthers • Jul 11, 2018 1:03 pm
BigV;1011485 wrote:
What is the difference between a unmanned aircraft and a remotely piloted aircraft?


I'd be inclined to say none.

There's probably an element of managing public perception going on.
A remotely piloted aircraft sounds better than an unmanned aircraft which in turn sounds better, and less threatening, than drone.
Undertoad • Jul 11, 2018 1:20 pm
Or indeed DRON!

Da doo ron ron ron

Da doo ron ron
Carruthers • Jul 11, 2018 1:26 pm
From KVRR. Includes video.

Historic Flight for Unmanned Medium Altitude Aircraft Takes Off in Grand Forks
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2018 2:11 pm
Trump had a large thermonuclear device hidden in the plane in case he's not satisfied with Theresa's blowjob. :bj:
Happy Monkey • Jul 11, 2018 8:23 pm
BigV;1011485 wrote:
What is the difference between a unmanned aircraft and a remotely piloted aircraft?
Whether you control it by a ground-based set of flight controls (remote pilot), or by telling it where to go, and letting it figure out the details (unmanned).


(that said, I don't know whether that's the distinction in that case.)
Gravdigr • Jul 12, 2018 5:07 pm
A drone is being flown 4000 miles to be put on static display?! As in, it's flying? Not being flown inside another aircraft?

Hell, if it's in flying trim, heavy that fucker up, and send it to the sandbox, don't waste it!
Carruthers • Jul 13, 2018 10:54 am
About an hour ago Donald and Theresa held a press conference at Chequers which I watched on TV.
Shortly after it ended POTUS departed in one of the two Sikorsky VH-60N helicopters en-route to Windsor Castle for tea and cucumber sandwiches with HMQ.
That left three V-22 Osprey aircraft on the lawn. The drama over I went a made a cup of tea.
A few minutes later I heard a lot of airborne noise and, being fleet of foot, (stop laughing) nipped outside just in time to see two of the Ospreys at fairly low level.
I don't know if I'd missed the third craft or whether that had gone somewhere else, but I was astonished at the speed of the things. They must have been doing the best part of 200 knots.
The ever reliable Wiki says they have a max speed of 275 knots at sea level.
A very impressive sighting, if somewhat brief.

This is from the Farnborough air show of 2012.

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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 13, 2018 11:42 am
Yes, fast and loud. I've seen dozens of them fly and I'm always impressed, even after helping build them.
Carruthers • Jul 14, 2018 2:25 pm
I don't know what the French version of the British 'hats on, no tea and biscuits interview' is, but I suspect one took place.

On Bastille Day of all days! :D

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The first Dwellar to express surprise that they weren't all streaming white, will be asked to leave. ;)

More here:

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Undertoad • Jul 14, 2018 2:32 pm
:smack: :biglaugha :biglaugha :biglaugha



"Tu n'avais qu'un travail..!"



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sexobon • Jul 14, 2018 3:01 pm
You can tell when the ground crew isn't happy with the pilot.
Griff • Jul 14, 2018 4:51 pm
:D
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 14, 2018 5:23 pm
But is it the pilot's fault or the crew that loaded the color? He wan't in the wrong location.
Carruthers • Jul 15, 2018 3:43 am
All is explained. The French flag has been redesigned.
If only they'd said.

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As you were.
Gravdigr • Jul 15, 2018 3:49 pm
So there.


~Pilot
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 15, 2018 8:17 pm
The Nazis blow...
Gravdigr • Jul 16, 2018 5:02 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1011720 wrote:
The Nazis blow...


Well, I knew they sucked...
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 17, 2018 8:07 pm
So did their buddies...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 1, 2018 11:17 pm
I never tire of these, especially the custom ones by Alan the Leopard...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 2, 2018 10:06 pm
The smallest airplanes...

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 10, 2018 9:05 am
P-61 over the Alps...
Gravdigr • Sep 10, 2018 4:34 pm
Took me a sec to determine if I was looking at the top, or the bottom.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 18, 2018 7:20 pm
Cute lake hopper...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 19, 2018 11:22 pm
The Wrights do it right...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 22, 2018 9:33 pm
The first Military Plane...
Gravdigr • Sep 23, 2018 3:59 pm
This your Captain speaking:

"Nope."

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2018 1:55 am
This C-130 was built (modified) to land and take off with a full load of hostages on a 600 ft soccer field in Iran. The hostages were released before it was ready.
TURN THE SOUND DOWN.

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Happy Monkey • Oct 2, 2018 12:36 pm
Air Force One replica on the Potomac
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 3, 2018 12:07 am
RAF Mustang MK 1A at the Inglewood, California plant of North American Aviation.
Wood wheels were used during manufacturing until it was ready for flight tests.
Carruthers • Oct 3, 2018 5:48 am
I have a vague recollection of a project to re-engine and refurbish Mustang aircraft with the view to selling them to the air forces of developing nations.
That would have been about 1970 (giving my age away) and I have a feeling that nothing came of it beyond a couple of test examples.
It was an American firm behind the project but I can't recall the name or much else!
Griff • Oct 3, 2018 7:39 am
I had a similar memory specifically of Central America.

https://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/last-piston-engine-dogfights-180956250/

The last dogfights between piston-engine, propeller-driven airplanes weren’t fought in the skies over Germany in the 1940s or even Korea in the 1950s. They occurred in Central America in 1969, and all of the combatants were flying U.S.-built Corsairs and Mustangs.

The dogfights were among the final acts in a brief but bloody four-day conflict between Honduras and El Salvador, commonly (but misleadingly) known as the Football War. Although a pair of soccer games between the two nations sparked the initial riots, the war was the culmination of longstanding tension over immigration and land reform.
Carruthers • Oct 3, 2018 8:07 am
Thanks for that link, Griff! :thumb:
It led me to the Cavalier Mustang which is the name I couldn't recall.

The Cavalier Mustang was a post-World War II civilian-modified version of the North American P-51 Mustang aircraft.
Although originally intended as a high speed personal aircraft, the Cavalier was also exported for use as a fighter and close air support aircraft to third world air forces.


Much more on the military versions in this Wiki article:

Link
Gravdigr • Oct 6, 2018 2:47 pm
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Nightstalkers! In the daylight, even!

:devil:
Gravdigr • Oct 6, 2018 2:55 pm
Snoopy flies again!!<---Facebook link, sorry.
Carruthers • Oct 7, 2018 10:26 am
Gravdigr;1016292 wrote:

Nightstalkers! In the daylight, even!

:devil:


But did they buy the bridge? ;)
Gravdigr • Oct 7, 2018 2:35 pm
They're Nightstalkers...They took it.
JuancoRocks • Oct 8, 2018 4:44 am
Gravdigr;1016293 wrote:
Snoopy flies again!!<---Facebook link, sorry.


That was well worth seeing.......Thank you.

JR
Griff • Oct 8, 2018 7:38 am
Good stuff!
Griff • Oct 8, 2018 10:55 am
Serious stuff. SAM 26000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASFY60ZntCw&feature=youtu.be&t=188
Gravdigr • Oct 10, 2018 3:33 pm
On this date in 1933, a United Airlines Boeing 247 exploded in midair over/near Chesterton, Indiana. The explosion was determined to be an act of sabotage, the first proven instance of such in aviation history.

The tail section was found mostly in tact almost a mile from the crash site.
Gravdigr • Oct 16, 2018 11:01 am
Hurricane Michael [may have] Mangled at Least 17 F-22 Raptors That Failed to Flee Their Base [due to being grounded by maintenance issues]

I almost didn't post this link, but it goes to a page with better links peppered throughout the article.
Gravdigr • Oct 16, 2018 12:03 pm
Duck.

[YOUTUBE]xOpfBo7IrOs[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2018 1:59 pm
'World War II Nazi warplane' falls outta the sky and crash lands on California's 101 freeway.

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Explanation?

Wormhole.:3_eyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 3, 2018 1:40 am
Used by the Finnish, British, and Australian Air Forces, plus the US Navy...
Pamela • Nov 4, 2018 10:06 pm
Wasn't that plane manufactured in Willow Grove during the war? I seem to recall it was.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 4, 2018 11:42 pm
Yes, that was one of the three plants, one in Jersey and I think the third was in NY State.
Carruthers • Nov 5, 2018 5:48 am
If ever there was an aircraft where they started with the engine and worked backwards, that was it.

I've never flown a tail dragger but I imagine that thing wasn't the easiest aircraft to handle.

I bet a carrier landing concentrated the mind wonderfully. :eek:
Pamela • Nov 9, 2018 10:24 pm
The Brewster Buffalo did not acquit itself well. It was poorly designed and unpopular with the pilots. The few that were made, I think, were relegated to training duties or maybe they were sent to the Soviets.

I also seem to recall reading that the Brewster company was one of the only ones to actually go out on strike during the war.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 9, 2018 11:20 pm
509 built and used by the Finnish, British, and Australian Air Forces, plus the US Navy.




And the beat goes on...
Gravdigr • Nov 16, 2018 2:54 pm
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That's a lot of heavy lifting, Precious.
Gravdigr • Nov 23, 2018 2:40 pm
Silent plane with no moving parts makes 'historic' flight

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2018 12:39 am
Zoom...
Flint • Dec 3, 2018 1:46 pm
Gravdigr;1019451 wrote:
Silent plane with no moving parts makes 'historic' flight

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That reminds me of the "warp drive" that distorts space in front of the ship.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 4, 2018 2:13 am
Boeing was building this XCH-62 heavy-lift prototype when the contract was cancelled before it flew.
It was loaded on a barge and floated down to Fort Rucker then lifted to the museum by a CH-47.
In 2005 someone ordered it scrapped.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2018 1:16 am
Ze plane! Ze plane!

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[YOUTUBE]mrJgoQz5wSU[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Dec 7, 2018 2:48 pm
...and I shall call her Galloping Gertie.

Can you imagine riding in something like that???:lol2:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2018 4:31 am
Oldies...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2018 9:51 pm
Flying cars...
Gravdigr • Dec 14, 2018 4:24 pm
Is that Bob Hoover?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 18, 2018 12:35 am
How high?
Pamela • Dec 18, 2018 9:16 pm
19.58 miles. Now you know.
Clodfobble • Dec 19, 2018 8:13 am
Only 1,180 to go and it would have been in low Earth orbit.
Gravdigr • Jan 5, 2019 2:47 pm
F-15 Eagle with inspection panels open:

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sexobon • Jan 5, 2019 2:54 pm
Oh man, out in the open like that, what if bird droppings get into one of them? :eek:
Gravdigr • Jan 6, 2019 2:22 pm
Or a squrl?!




Grounded!
Gravdigr • Jan 6, 2019 2:33 pm
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I'd like to have seen that happen.

Maybe not POV, tho.

ETA:
...multiple bird strikes on approach to Mwanza Airport in Tanzania...


info from here

And, apparently, the left overs on the nose of the plane are referred to as "snarge".
Diaphone Jim • Jan 7, 2019 12:40 pm
Snarge
Never heard of it, but a combo of snot and garbage.
Studied, by DNA and other means, for aircraft safety programs.

Good word!
Carruthers • Jan 7, 2019 2:27 pm
I've never heard of 'snarge' but I recall that there was a chap at the Ministry of Defence responsible for keeping foreign object damage to aircraft to an absolute minimum.

He was known as the 'MoD FOD Bod'.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 7, 2019 9:12 pm
Badass B-25...
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2019 1:46 am
Models flew in a wind tunnel but can't find validation of the big one flying.
Gravdigr • Jan 9, 2019 9:55 am
Um...

Wings?

Cockpit?
Carruthers • Jan 9, 2019 10:31 am
It isn't an aircraft, it isn't there and you haven't seen it. Right?

Well, that's that cleared up.

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Link
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2019 11:43 am
Gravdigr;1022811 wrote:
Um...

Wings?

Cockpit?


VTOL
Remote control.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2019 8:40 pm
What could go wrong?
Undertoad • Jan 10, 2019 9:44 pm
that would probably melt the lego
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2019 11:33 pm
Only about 2800 rpm.
Gravdigr • Jan 11, 2019 11:47 am
22 visible gears, on a quick count.

Who knows what lies beneath.
Diaphone Jim • Jan 11, 2019 1:25 pm
Looks more like a Rolex than a 14 cylinder, 2000 cubic inch radial engine (28 gears).
It was a pretty good one at that, used in Caribous and DC 3's and 4's.
sexobon • Jan 11, 2019 8:14 pm
I've jumped the DC3 once, during the final phase of SF training. Pilot was CIA getting his flight time in. We sat on the floor, side by side with backs to the fuselage, on that steep tail to nose incline. Everyone leaned towards the nose and held onto the next guys gear as the pilot gunned those engines for a short runway takeoff. Otherwise there would have been a pile-up at the tail end. It was interesting!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2019 12:36 am
Was it souped up for CIA use?
sexobon • Jan 12, 2019 10:08 am
Don't know. We were told not to chat or banter with the pilot, wearing civvies, at his request. It was just in, up and out for an administrative jump squeezed into our training schedule.

I've also tailgated the Caribou, which has apparently used the same engine; but, that procedure wasn't remarkably different from other aircraft.
Carruthers • Jan 12, 2019 10:36 am
sexobon;1022956 wrote:
I've jumped the DC3 once...


To commemorate the 75th Anniversary of D-Day there will be a mass gathering of DC-3/C-47 aircraft which will initially assemble at the Imperial War Museum site at Duxford.

Latest info is that thirty-seven aircraft will be participating.

[YOUTUBE]2TkyCqUJhig[/YOUTUBE]

I hope that was of some interest to you.
sexobon • Jan 12, 2019 11:20 am
Nice video, thank you. Should be a really good show. I've never gotten into reenactments and I already have my French wings (Le Brevet de Parachutiste Militaire (BPM); so, I don't anticipate participating in the parachuting demonstration. :D

It could be an opportunity for others to earn their French wings; though, it may take awhile for award:

FORT LEAVENWORTH, Kan. (June 9, 2016) -- After 41 years, retired Maj. Bob Cassella has his French jump wings.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2019 3:00 pm
Bunch of old timers gather and get bombed. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 20, 2019 6:49 pm
We've never done this before so let stand here a watch...
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2019 1:15 pm
Sand bags?
fargon • Jan 21, 2019 2:07 pm
Gravdigr;1023731 wrote:
Sand bags?


Early arresting gear. I don't know, but their is probably a hook of some kind under the airplane to catch a wire or line to stop the plane.
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2019 2:28 pm
Heh, that plane prolly don't need arresting gear. I figure the rails, and sand bags (or wetf they are), are to keep it on the boat if things go apey.
Diaphone Jim • Jan 21, 2019 7:29 pm
A whole bunch of guys with nets hoping he goes off the other side.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2019 12:57 am
Fargon wins, arresting gear...
Gravdigr • Jan 22, 2019 2:04 pm
I'll be damned.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2019 2:17 am
Dog Fight (Wings 1927)

[YOUTUBE]yrVY8ukOl88[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Jan 27, 2019 2:15 pm
Everything's b&w except fire.:lol2:
Gravdigr • Feb 7, 2019 1:46 pm
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Carruthers • Feb 10, 2019 2:12 pm
Storm Erik was pretty vicious when it passed through Ireland and the UK on Friday.

It made aircraft operations difficult at a number of airports.

This video was taken at Gatwick (just south of London) and I understand that an Emirates A380 had two attempts at landing there before diverting to Manchester.

He was a bit tight on fuel by all accounts.

The sight of the runway ahead through the side window must be pretty unnerving. :eek:

[YOUTUBE]OVx2xyjvX1c[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Feb 15, 2019 11:44 am
Turbulence so severe it flipped the drink cart? ‘We did a nose dive... twice’

“I was sitting toward the back of the plane, so I saw the drink cart hit the ceiling, along with the flight attendant who was doing the drink service,” she said. “That was amazing just to see all that happening, and then you could see the people who aren’t belted in. They’re hitting the ceiling, and they’re flying up out of their seats. So, always wear your seat belt, no matter what, because this was unexpected.”
Gravdigr • Feb 18, 2019 10:12 pm
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glatt • Feb 19, 2019 12:43 pm
That's a cool image.
Gravdigr • Feb 19, 2019 2:09 pm
Been there. Seen that.

:D
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 19, 2019 4:27 pm
It's not Denver it's Idlewild(JFK) in NYC.
glatt • Feb 19, 2019 5:31 pm
No wonder cars were so popular then. Just look at how empty the road is. I bet it was fun to drive.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 20, 2019 3:09 am
Driving 2 miles to the center of town, meeting another car was unusual, then in the off hours, for 4 miles out of town I'd probably meet a car or two but it wasn't unusual to not meet another car.
Gravdigr • Feb 20, 2019 11:40 am
Gravdigr;1026114 wrote:
Been there. Seen that.

:D


xoxoxoBruce;1026135 wrote:
It's not Denver it's Idlewild(JFK) in NYC.


Well, it was a long time ago. In a land far, far away...

Thanks for the correction.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2019 2:59 am
You didn't say where you saw it, I was responding to Fargon's comment it was Denver.
Had to look it up because I thought it was LA, they have one too.
Undertoad • Feb 21, 2019 8:20 am
glatt;1026146 wrote:
Just look at how empty the road is. I bet it was fun to drive.


It is a tangent but dang yes. Every car commercial ever is a fun windy twisty road...

disclaimer: closed course professional driver do not attempt

...and there are no other cars on it and no lights and you just haul off and enjoy. The actual experience is like that on approximately 1 out of every 365 trips.

In fact you could only get that experience regularly if you were on closed courses and were a professional driver.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2019 8:36 am
Not these days in most places, but I think glatt was referring to the 50's and 60's, and he's right about a lot less traffic and easier to find the road less traveled.
glatt • Feb 21, 2019 9:46 am
Yeah. I was referring to there being fewer cars on the road back then. Fewer people in the country, and people didn't have 2-3 cars in the driveway. They could only afford one. And gas was expensive, adjusting for inflation.

All that said, I found the spot on Google Earth, and the road is pretty empty today too. I guess the number of flights a day determines the amount of traffic on that airport road.

This image looks different because they added another runway overpass, and the camera is a wide angle lens, not a telephoto.
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Gravdigr • Feb 21, 2019 1:37 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1026267 wrote:
...I was responding to Fargon's comment it was Denver.


So was I.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 23, 2019 1:43 am
Putting the hog in warthog...
Gravdigr • Feb 25, 2019 11:33 am
Yeah, this is hardly ever good:

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Link
BigV • Feb 25, 2019 1:08 pm
Everybody hates airport parking because it's soooo far out there, then they move it closer.. Hate it even more.

Can't win.
Glinda • Feb 25, 2019 2:09 pm
BigV;1026683 wrote:
Everybody hates airport parking because it's soooo far out there, then they move it closer.. Hate it even more.

Can't win.


PDX has a pretty good parking garage. Right next to the terminal and they've got a nifty "here's an empty spot" overhead lighting system (green/red lights above each slot), so you can tell if there's a parking spot from waaaaay far down the lane.

Image
glatt • Feb 25, 2019 5:04 pm
They have that light system at the Tyson's Corner Mall, and it is absolutely wonderful. For real. Better than sliced bread. You don't even turn into a lane of parked cars if you see no green lights.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 26, 2019 2:00 am
Then you find some fool standing in the spot saving it for a friend. :eyebrow:
Gravdigr • Feb 26, 2019 1:40 pm
A friend leaves their home to go to the parking garage and stand there holding a spot for you?

Shit, I can't even get a ride to the bar.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 26, 2019 2:13 pm
No, they notice an open spot a row or two over and the passenger jumps out and walks through to save the spot while the driver circles around.
Many people carry passengers who are friendly and helpful, not everyone is like you and me.
Gravdigr • Feb 26, 2019 2:49 pm
I don't know anyone like that.
BigV • Feb 26, 2019 10:11 pm
Gravdigr;1026793 wrote:
I don't know anyone like that.


Yeah, you do.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 27, 2019 1:47 am
[YOUTUBE]tQ3JnxkZxJg[/YOUTUBE]
Carruthers • Feb 27, 2019 11:48 am
A selection of aircraft using the 'Mach Loop' low flying area in Wales.
Includes aircraft of the RAF, USAF, RCAF and Czech Republic AF.
The RCAF colour scheme is eye catching, shall we say.
The RAF A400 at the 1.00m mark is a sight worth seeing. Embiggen.*

[YOUTUBE]INcWJYFvSkQ[/YOUTUBE]


*©Gravdigr Inc.
Gravdigr • Feb 27, 2019 12:10 pm
Carruthers;1026861 wrote:
*©Gravdigr Inc.


:lol2:

I thank you, sir.

If I lived there, it would be a very long time before I got tired of seeing that. There's something about looking down at an airplane in flight...
Gravdigr • Feb 27, 2019 12:27 pm
Oh, yeah...The reason for coming to this thread:

Happy Birthday Kelly Johnson. He'd have been 109.

Designed, or led the design teams for the SR-71, U-2, 1st aircraft to go over 400 mph, Mach 2, Mach 3, 1st operational jet fighter, the Lockheed Model 10 Electra, F-104 Starfighter, P-38 Lightning, Constellation, F-117 Nighthawk, C-130 and about three, or four dozen other aircraft.

The world would be a very different place without him. At the least it would look and sound different.

Thank God he was on our side.

:devil:
Diaphone Jim • Feb 27, 2019 12:30 pm
It would be sort of fun to watch:
The absolutely most expensive show on earth, featuring the most destructive inventions ever.
Glinda • Feb 27, 2019 1:00 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1026841 wrote:
[YOUTUBE]tQ3JnxkZxJg[/YOUTUBE]



Psshhhh. I wouldn't have left. Fuck those bitches. :eyebrow:
Glinda • Feb 27, 2019 1:09 pm
Carruthers;1026861 wrote:
A selection of aircraft using the 'Mach Loop' low flying area in Wales.
Includes aircraft of the RAF, USAF, RCAF and Czech Republic AF.
The RCAF colour scheme is eye catching, shall we say.
The RAF A400 at the 1.00m mark is a sight worth seeing. Embiggen.*

[YOUTUBE]INcWJYFvSkQ[/YOUTUBE]


*©Gravdigr Inc.


Day-ummm! That's incredible.

I feel bad for the people who live down in that little valley, though. Hearing that shit day in and day out would drive me nuts.
Carruthers • Feb 27, 2019 2:01 pm
Glinda;1026866 wrote:
Day-ummm! That's incredible.

I feel bad for the people who live down in that little valley, though. Hearing that shit day in and day out would drive me nuts.


You wouldn't be the only one. A farmer in NW Wales was driven to distraction by low flying aircraft and complaints to the MoD did not bear fruit.
In desperation he painted the words 'Piss Off Biggles' on a barn roof to get the message across:

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BTW Biggles was the nickname of a fictional RAF pilot, James Bigglesworth, who appeared in a series of children's adventure stories by Capt W E Johns.
There's no truth in the story that the last unpublished book in the series was to be entitled 'Biggles Flies Undone'.

Link
Griff • Feb 28, 2019 7:42 am
Glinda;1026865 wrote:
Psshhhh. I wouldn't have left. Fuck those bitches. :eyebrow:


Folks like that is one reason I don't carry.
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2019 5:28 pm
Griff;1026908 wrote:
Folks like that is one reason I don't carry.


Folks like that are the reason a lot of people do.
slang • Feb 28, 2019 11:44 pm
Glinda;1026865 wrote:
Psshhhh. I wouldn't have left. Fuck those bitches. :eyebrow:


Seeing this brings back memories.

I've been a non driver for years now. While there are some major down sides to not driving, there are surely upsides.

Crap like this is just a distant memory. Parking combat AND needless interaction with law enforcement, both effectively at zero.

I do sorta enjoy seeing others fight over spaces though, as I exit my Uber at the store entrance or park my bike.
Glinda • Feb 28, 2019 11:47 pm
Carruthers;1026867 wrote:
You wouldn't be the only one. A farmer in NW Wales was driven to distraction by low flying aircraft and complaints to the MoD did not bear fruit.
In desperation he painted the words 'Piss Off Biggles' on a barn roof to get the message across:

[ATTACH]66595[/ATTACH]

BTW Biggles was the nickname of a fictional RAF pilot, James Bigglesworth, who appeared in a series of children's adventure stories by Capt W E Johns.
There's no truth in the story that the last unpublished book in the series was to be entitled 'Biggles Flies Undone'.

Link


I highly approve! :p:
Carruthers • Mar 2, 2019 11:15 am
[YOUTUBE]4iOoiEbtf2w[/YOUTUBE]

There is nothing quite like the sound of a Rolls-Royce Merlin!

Be aware that there is some language at the end of the video which might not be appreciated by all. :eek:
Gravdigr • Mar 2, 2019 11:48 am
I appreciate a gratuitous bit of "Fuck me!", now and again.
Gravdigr • Mar 2, 2019 11:52 am
I'm a fan of the surprise low pass:

[YOUTUBE]_ba2wWgc8cU[/YOUTUBE]

Low enough to send the beach canopies and umbrellas aloft!

:devil:
Carruthers • Mar 2, 2019 12:16 pm
Gravdigr;1027134 wrote:
I'm a fan of the surprise low pass:

Low enough to send the beach canopies and umbrellas aloft!

:devil:


Sneaky!
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 3, 2019 1:24 am
And the government spreading magic dust... :yesnod:
fargon • Mar 3, 2019 8:22 am
He's dumping fuel? That's the only thing that might do that is lite oil. I don't know why planes dump fuel, but it's a thing. Philthijinx help please Sir.
Carruthers • Mar 3, 2019 10:20 am
fargon;1027200 wrote:
He's dumping fuel? That's the only thing that might do that is lite oil. I don't know why planes dump fuel, but it's a thing. Philthijinx help please Sir.


Products of combustion include water vapour which quickly freezes into ice crystals at altitude and forms condensation trails.
The rainbow effect suggests light refracted through those crystals.

Fuel dumping usually occurs in an emergency when the aircraft has to reduce to its maximum landing weight.
This can be governed by runway length available and associated braking performance, and also the need not to over stress the airframe.

Here's the ATC recording and some video from an incident where a British Airways 747 experienced an engine surge, and subsequent shut down, on departure from Phoenix.
Fuel was dumped away from residential areas and the aircraft returned safely about an hour later.

[YOUTUBE]EWAsQ3qldo8[/YOUTUBE]
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 3, 2019 10:57 am
Just prior to 9 minutes, the incoming aircraft looked like they were shuffling cards.
I was always intrigued by the planes approaching Philly airport, from north to south at night. Looking at them from just south of the runway I could see as many as 8 or 10 sets of headlights in the que for landing. I know they were miles apart but also moving fast.
Carruthers • Mar 4, 2019 4:28 am
xoxoxoBruce;1027216 wrote:
Just prior to 9 minutes, the incoming aircraft looked like they were shuffling cards.
I was always intrigued by the planes approaching Philly airport, from north to south at night. Looking at them from just south of the runway I could see as many as 8 or 10 sets of headlights in the que for landing. I know they were miles apart but also moving fast.


Have you looked at Flightradar24?

LINK
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2019 4:34 am
Heh, the Frontier from Denver to Philly is estimated to be 29 minutes early, must have caught that big blow coming across the country for a tail wind.
Carruthers • Mar 4, 2019 4:41 am
xoxoxoBruce;1027318 wrote:
Heh, the Frontier from Denver to Philly is estimated to be 29 minutes early, must have caught that big blow coming across the country for a tail wind.


I once did London to Denver via Newark. Unfortunately the Newark to Denver sector was straight into the 'big blow'. It took over fours. :eek:
Carruthers • Mar 6, 2019 1:45 pm
OK, it's another one from the Mach Loop but it made the national press this morning...

Eagle eyes&#8232;

A US air force F15 Strike Eagle is captured in pin-sharp detail in west Wales with the co-pilot looking straight at the camera.
With a top speed of 1,875mph, the fighter jets have previously been used for air strikes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Libya.
Rob Maclennan, 50, took the photograph after climbing a 700ft mountain near Machynlleth in Powys.


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Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2019 3:55 pm
:devil:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2019 12:55 am
Better stand back folks, it takes 9 ft 5 inches to land this baby...

[YOUTUBE]hPakbghLe38 [/YOUTUBE]
Diaphone Jim • Mar 14, 2019 1:04 pm
I found this last year and, when I saw the long landing above, knew I had to find it again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilfd1t4gHCo&feature=youtu.be
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2019 2:14 pm
It doesn't count in a 40 mph headwind. :headshake
Diaphone Jim • Mar 14, 2019 3:46 pm
Yeah, you're right.
Makes it unimpressive.

Or maybe you can find one in a 50 MPH headwind where it lands backwards.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2019 11:59 pm
Oh it's impressive, the pilot certainly knows his plane, just doesn't count for a record.
Gravdigr • Mar 15, 2019 12:41 pm
Anybody can land a plane in less than a foot.

It's doing that and landing on the wheels instead of the nose that's hard.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 21, 2019 12:24 pm
Maybe this is why everything sent to me via fedex gets fucked up...

[YOUTUBE]j_akKKf2o3I[/YOUTUBE]
Diaphone Jim • Mar 21, 2019 3:24 pm
Even though it is a re-creation of an old event, that is an exciting video.
It does make you wonder about the mysterious recent air freight flight that went down.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2019 1:19 am
Yeah, I had closed captioning on and a couple times I had a WTF moment and had to back it up.
Gravdigr • Mar 25, 2019 1:50 pm
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Carruthers • Mar 25, 2019 2:57 pm
Now, THAT is an aircraft.

It's the Handley Page Victor which was one of the three 'V Bombers' in service with the RAF during the Cold War.
It went on to be an air-to-air refuelling aircraft and I believe that there was a photo reconnaissance version as well.

In 2009 a preserved Victor was shown at its base at Bruntingthorpe.
It wasn't approved for flying but it was OK to do a high speed run.
Unfortunately, things went slightly wrong and the aircraft became airborne.
Thankfully no-one was hurt and no damage was done but it was a worrying couple of minutes.
The pilot gives an account of the incident in the second video.

[YOUTUBE]Ez0Vf2bJ5RM[/YOUTUBE]


[YOUTUBE]TGjPu6DPzWU[/YOUTUBE]
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2019 6:01 pm
You buying that story? :eyebrow:
Diaphone Jim • Mar 25, 2019 6:13 pm
Good story!
Carruthers • Mar 26, 2019 6:26 am
xoxoxoBruce;1029022 wrote:


You buying that story? :eyebrow:


This sheds a bit more light on events...

The co-pilot, an engineer who works on the upkeep of the grounded bomber, was drafted in to control the throttle for the air show.

The CAA - which launched an investigation because neither Mr Prothero or the co-pilot are officially licensed to fly - confirmed that it will not take legal action.

Ian Weston, head of enforcement, said: ''The aircraft took off because the engineer did not shut down the engines when told to do so by the pilot.

The pilot attempted to shut the engines down but the aircraft lifted off.

''The problem arose as a result of the engineer 'freezing' at a time of high stress.

This is a recognised state of mind which can affect certain individuals.''



Nobody was hurt and no damage was done so the Air Accidents Investigation Branch was not interested and, as above, the CAA decided not to pursue the matter.

However, I'd bet a fiver on neither individual being asked to conduct subsequent displays. :eek:

Link

www.victorxm715.co.uk/
Gravdigr • Mar 26, 2019 8:37 am
Carruthers;1029013 wrote:
Now, THAT is an aircraft.


I find it sinister-looking.:devil:
Diaphone Jim • Mar 26, 2019 12:41 pm
At least the CAA finished their investigation.
The FAA boys, ten years in, would still be drawing per diem at the best local hotel.

Mr. Prothero does have a bit of a smile, doesn't he?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 28, 2019 2:08 am
Supermarine Spitfire...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 3, 2019 1:40 am
Iran.
Gravdigr • Apr 7, 2019 11:41 am
On this day in 1994 FedEx employee Auburn Calloway attempts suicide by trying to destroy Federal Express Flight 705 so his family could benefit from a FedEx life insurance policy.

He attacked the flight crew in the cockpit with claw hammers and a knife.

The DC-10 pilot attempted to help the crew fighting Calloway by throwing the aircraft around violently, at one point almost rolling the plane upside down. He pitched the plane into a 15 degree climb then nose-dived trying to put the attacker off his feet. The pilot bounced everyone around the cockpit pretty badly.

During the nose-dive the plane passed 530mph when the elevators became unusable, fluttering in the wild air-flow.

They eventually landed back in Memphis, at 35,000lbs over the maximum designed landing weight, after pushing the airplane well past its safety limits multiple times, and after requesting 'armed intervention' (meaning SWAT).

It must have a helluva scene. The cockpit and galley were covered in blood, a skull was fractured resulting in motor control difficulties for that crew member, a jaw was dislocated, one crew member stabbed in the arm, the pilot had several deep gashes in his head and had to have his ear sewn back in place.

Auburn Calloway was armed with 2 claw hammers, 2 sledge hammers, a knife and a spear gun.

Ten years after the attack none of the flight crew could be medically cleared to fly commercially due to their injuries.

The DC-10 suffered $800,000 in damage.

The Wikipedia article is a really good read.
Gravdigr • Apr 7, 2019 11:45 am
Mr. Calloway is currently enjoying a federally-funded vacation in an extended-stay facility in beautiful Lompoc, CA.
Griff • Apr 8, 2019 7:45 pm
Nice country, I hear.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 11, 2019 2:15 am
Those daring young men in their flying machines.
fargon • Apr 11, 2019 3:17 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 16, 2019 4:20 am
Doug Doug...
Carruthers • Apr 16, 2019 5:58 am
Pausing only to consult my copy of Debrett's Peerage and Baronetage (it never leaves my side) I find the following:

Douglas Douglas-Hamilton, 14th Duke of Hamilton

Air Commodore Douglas Douglas-Hamilton, 14th Duke of Hamilton and 11th Duke of Brandon, KT, GCVO, AFC, PC, DL, FRCSE, FRGS (3 February 1903 – 30 March 1973) was a Scottish nobleman and aviator who, together with D.F. McIntyre, was one of the first men to fly over Mount Everest.

Styled Marquess of Douglas and Clydesdale before he succeeded his father as the Duke of Hamilton and Keeper of Holyroodhouse in 1940, he had been a prominent Unionist Member of Parliament (MP) for East Renfrewshire from 1930 until he succeeded to his titles.


Styled Marquess of Douglas and Clydesdale before he succeeded his father as the Duke of Hamilton and Keeper of Holyroodhouse in 1940, he had been a prominent Unionist Member of Parliament (MP) for East Renfrewshire from 1930 until he succeeded to his titles.
He was appointed the honorary colonel of the 7th (Blythswood) Battalion of the Highland Light Infantry in July 1931.
In 1935 in order to experience the life of the employees in his family's mines, he joined a Trades Union and worked for a time at the coal face, as plain 'Mr. Hamilton'.


I thought that the name rang a bell. When Rudolf Hess parachuted into Scotland he, and his crashed aircraft, landed on the Duke of Hamilton's estate.
Hess gave his name as Alfred Horn, a friend of the Duke of Hamilton, and was taken to hospital.
When the Duke was informed of the prisoner he visited him in hospital and Hess identified himself.
Hamilton immediately informed Churchill and Hess was imprisoned until the Nuremburg Trials.
The fact that he had asked for the Duke by name, and suggested a prior friendship, raised suspicions of where Hamilton's loyalties lay.

Link
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 16, 2019 6:29 am
I see...
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:lol:

How about a flying rifle...

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Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2019 12:45 pm
Oops! I did it again!

I caught another Dreamlifter!!!!

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I caught the other one on a Photo Safari, this one I caught on the way back from the mailbox this morning.

This second Boeing Dreamlifter is a different plane from the first one I captured. The blue bands on the engine housing are wider on this one than on the plane from my first encounter.

I have now captured photos of two of the four Dreamlifters. Without even trying!

Today just might be a good day, Tater.

:jig:
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2019 12:47 pm
The tail of this one may be just a shade longer than the first one.
Carruthers • Apr 16, 2019 2:02 pm
Good spot, Mr G!

A quick search reveals that N718BA was en-route Charleston-Everett this morning:

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Great Circle Mapper produces this track:

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I'd hazard a guess that this is the aircraft you saw.
I found another Dreamlifter which was on the way to Anchorage from Charleston but very early in the morning, probably barely light.

Anyway, never mind about your aircraft spotting. What about the chemtrails? ;)
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2019 2:14 pm
Thanks for that info Carruthers!

I took the pic this morning at 9:55am local time. The plane was almost directly overhead. I'd say you are correct about this being the plane I saw.

This is the kind of thing for which the internet just rocks.

Thanks again.




Loook uuuupp!!
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2019 2:18 pm
Also, looking at pics of N718BA, that plane has the wider area of blue on the engine housings (when compared to my first DreamLifter pic) that corresponds to the pic I took this morning.

Dat's m'babby!
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2019 2:22 pm
Carruthers;1030530 wrote:
What about the chemtrails? ;)


I inhaled.

I'll let ya know if anything bad happens.:)
BigV • Apr 16, 2019 4:10 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1030480 wrote:
Doug Doug...


Maybe they just dig Doug
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2019 8:42 pm
Maaaan, I put a college tuition's-worth of quarters through Dig-Dug machines
BigV • Apr 17, 2019 12:47 am
Same here.

Re airplanes.. I'm surprised none one's mentioned the recent news about the P-38 Of The gods...
Griff • Apr 17, 2019 7:20 am
Ever Google a reference and find naked insanity?
http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=244&ItemID=1053
fargon • Apr 17, 2019 7:57 am
I remember a documentary I saw on PBS about those P-38s. I'll look into that web site and tell you how Krazy they are.
Gravdigr • Apr 17, 2019 10:09 am
Griff;1030580 wrote:
Ever Google a reference and find naked insanity?
http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=244&ItemID=1053


[SIZE="1"]...the hell?[/SIZE]
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 23, 2019 5:04 am
,,
Gravdigr • Apr 23, 2019 7:42 am
...crashed into a CA prison...

Wouldn't that come in under cruel and unusual punishment?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2019 2:46 pm
Skirting Syria and Iraq, just in case.
Gravdigr • May 3, 2019 2:09 pm
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22 F-117s.
Carruthers • May 5, 2019 2:37 pm
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One of these mighty beasts flew overhead this morning on the way from the Airbus factory in Toulouse to their plant near Chester, presumably to collect wings and/or fuselage sections.

Cloud cover prevented a visual sighting so I had to make do with a view on Flightradar24.com.
Diaphone Jim • May 5, 2019 8:27 pm
Yeah, ha, ha, right.
As if that thing could fly.
xoxoxoBruce • May 6, 2019 8:01 am
Flying Quasimodo...
xoxoxoBruce • May 7, 2019 1:47 am
Nesting on Long Island...
Gravdigr • May 7, 2019 12:59 pm
Hellcats, or Wildcats, or Bearcats? I can't remember which is which...
Griff • May 7, 2019 5:22 pm
Hmmm... the canopy starts before the wing so I think that rules out those cats? Avenger?
Gravdigr • May 8, 2019 12:24 pm
You may be right. I can't see or remember.
fargon • May 8, 2019 2:36 pm
Douglas SBD Dauntless. That's what google says anyway.
Gravdigr • May 8, 2019 8:45 pm
Top of the tail ain't right.
Griff • May 9, 2019 7:24 am
I want answers!
Griff • May 9, 2019 7:30 am
This probably won't help but here's HW.
Griff • May 9, 2019 7:34 am
https://www.flightjournal.com/grumman-tbf-avenger/
Diaphone Jim • May 9, 2019 12:37 pm
Rough calculations indicate that that little lineup of (22 or so) F117's represents about 2 and a half billion bucks.

In the what's-that-running-down-your-leg department:
"On their first deployment, with the aid of aerial refueling, pilots flew non-stop from Holloman to Kuwait, a flight of approximately 18.5 hours&#8212;a record for single-seat fighters that stands today." Wikipedia
Gravdigr • May 9, 2019 2:42 pm
That was a neat li'l tidbit.
xoxoxoBruce • May 10, 2019 1:07 am
Diaphone Jim;1032146 wrote:

In the what's-that-running-down-your-leg department:
"On their first deployment, with the aid of aerial refueling, pilots flew non-stop from Holloman to Kuwait, a flight of approximately 18.5 hours—a record for single-seat fighters that stands today." Wikipedia


As I understand it, in 2016 one landed in Kuwait because it had a problem and was forced to land, while its wingmate and the others kept going even further to their secret base.
xoxoxoBruce • May 16, 2019 10:05 pm
Built is shelter...
Happy Monkey • May 17, 2019 11:03 am
Temporary = "until a bomb hits nearby"?
Gravdigr • May 17, 2019 11:18 am
Must not have been an ammo dump to hide in...
xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2019 1:37 am
A little sparky on the windshield...
Carruthers • May 28, 2019 10:59 am
I give you four USAF MC130s from RAF Mildenhall flying through the Mach Loop at low level.

They went around four times so each probably took a turn in the lead.

Pretty spectacular stuff and, as the esteemed Gravdigr would say, embiggen!

[YOUTUBE]SEhcyvQic2s[/YOUTUBE]
xoxoxoBruce • May 28, 2019 5:29 pm
UT started the embiggen here, from the Simpsons.
Carruthers • May 29, 2019 12:36 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1033152 wrote:
UT started the embiggen here, from the Simpsons.


Embugger! ;)
sexobon • May 30, 2019 1:11 am
I've been in C130s flying NOE. If you're not strapped in, you can suddenly find yourself a foot off the floor. Even when strapped in, air sickness can be a problem as a passenger in the rear. In airborne operations, they fly NOE; then, pop up to jump altitude to put the paratroopers out and dive back down to continue NOE. On one operation, the scheduled jumpmaster (my CO) started puking his guts out and I had to take over as jumpmaster for him shortly before the drop.
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2019 1:20 am
NOE = Nap Of Earth?

Here's a biggie...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 3, 2019 10:07 pm
I'm well aware of allied gliders used by the good guys in the big one, WW II, my Dad came home with glider wings. But it never dawned on me they were like milk bottles, they wanted them back to refill 'em. So they sent planes out to fetch them home but it wasn't easy since they didn't land at airports, but any treeless spot near their target. Embiggen...

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Diaphone Jim • Jun 4, 2019 11:52 am
Never had any idea we retrieved them.
Looks like an interesting challenge and one that beat the heck out the infantry.
Have you found a trove of WWII vids?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 5, 2019 1:04 am
Diaphone Jim;1033555 wrote:
Never had any idea we retrieved them.
Looks like an interesting challenge and one that beat the heck out the infantry.
Have you found a trove of WWII vids?

Do you think I would hold out on you, my oldest and dearest friends... if it didn't involve money or sex?
No, just find them in my travels.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 5, 2019 3:05 am
What goes up, must come down, before space travel...
Griff • Jun 5, 2019 7:16 am
Cool aircraft.

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/2017/12/15/how-the-low-slow-a-1-skyraider-earned-its-place-in-the-hearts-of-us-troops-in-vietnam/
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 5, 2019 12:05 pm
Swoose...

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At the time there was a popular song about a half Swan/half Goose.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 7, 2019 2:09 am
Wright Bros moving between military demonstrations.
Back when the brothers had to go to them, before that turned around.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 8, 2019 1:11 am
Cool the beer at altitude...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 9, 2019 2:44 pm
Out of the mothballs arises the mighty B-52H...
Diaphone Jim • Jun 9, 2019 5:34 pm
Some of Trump's money as he says.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-03-02/new-life-b-52
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 15, 2019 11:22 am
Father and son...
Griff • Jun 16, 2019 8:19 am
xoxoxoBruce;1033777 wrote:
Out of the mothballs arises the mighty B-52H...


Target in service for a minimum of 88 years...
BigV • Jun 16, 2019 10:48 am
Props, yo.
Carruthers • Jun 16, 2019 11:21 am
Griff;1034188 wrote:
Target in service for a minimum of 88 years...


The longevity of some aircraft is astonishing.

A few years ago the RAF found itself in urgent need of a number of ELINT aircraft when the Nimrod was retired so three Boeing KC-135R airframes were purchased.

Surprisingly these aircraft were constructed in 1964 but had the lowest number of hours in the USAF fleet.

They've been refurbished and converted to RC-135W Rivet Joint spec and are expected to remain in service until 2045 at the age of eighty-one years!

Link

Link
Gravdigr • Jun 16, 2019 9:00 pm
BigV;1034190 wrote:
Props, yo.


I saw what you did there.

And I approve.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 17, 2019 1:24 am
After 10 years it looks like it's coming to market...
Diaphone Jim • Jun 17, 2019 12:58 pm
Or at least coming to flight.
Your post sent me here:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28409/the-mysterious-and-potentially-revolutionary-celera-500l-aircraft-may-fly-soon

Amazing number of innovations in this late date of flight.
Gravdigr • Jun 17, 2019 2:43 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 19, 2019 2:18 am
Hunter Brothers...
Gravdigr • Jun 19, 2019 2:06 pm
I bet that ain't in the labor book...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 20, 2019 10:10 am
Arial recon...
Carruthers • Jun 20, 2019 10:29 am
A Boeing KC-46 makes a rather 'sporty' approach and landing ahead of this week's Paris Air Show. :eek:

[YOUTUBE]PzRGsZJkjUY[/YOUTUBE]

A bit of background here: LINK
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 20, 2019 10:51 am
He knew what he was doing. :haha:
Diaphone Jim • Jun 20, 2019 12:44 pm
What was he doing?
Gravdigr • Jun 20, 2019 3:43 pm
He was landing the shit out of a big-ass airplane.

Didja not see the video?:stickpoke
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 21, 2019 1:01 am
Right, just landing. Evidently not the way the peanut gallery would have done it, but there doesn't seem to be any bodies or flames so he's cool.
Gravdigr • Jun 21, 2019 2:57 pm
Any landing ya can walk away from...
Diaphone Jim • Jun 21, 2019 4:09 pm
Several years ago, I had the "opportunity" to watch and ride in many C123's and C130"s.
This landing would be on the very gentle end of the landing continuum.
I think it is a matter of how often the crew does it. Twenty or more times a day for months on end tends to sharpen skills.
Carruthers' link mentions tut-tutting in the crowd. They should have gone to a car show.
Griff • Jun 21, 2019 5:33 pm
Diaphone Jim;1034531 wrote:
They should have gone to a car show.


mic drop
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 22, 2019 5:21 am
:thumb2:
Diaphone Jim • Jun 22, 2019 12:06 pm
I looked up "mic drop" but I still don't know what it means.
Griff • Jun 22, 2019 12:25 pm
When someone says something really smart or funny they sometimes drop the microphone and walk off the stage for effect.
Gravdigr • Jun 24, 2019 2:22 pm
Diaphone Jim;1034561 wrote:
I looked up "mic drop" but I still don't know what it means.


[YOUTUBE]2kPRUBzXUVg[/YOUTUBE]
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 26, 2019 2:21 am
One to ten engines...
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 6, 2019 8:18 am
Shark McGruff says take a bite outta time...
BigV • Jul 6, 2019 3:01 pm
I like this one!
Gravdigr • Jul 8, 2019 11:56 am
See This Old Plane? (F-104 Starfighter)

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It Killed 4 F-15s In Simulated Battles in the Sky

TL;DR? Technology does not necessarily triumph over age/experience/tactics every time.

:devil:
fargon • Jul 8, 2019 1:29 pm
Old School Rules.
Carruthers • Jul 8, 2019 1:30 pm
When I were a lad, I attended an airshow at RAF Upper Heyford which, despite the name, was a USAF station.

Aircraft from several NATO nations were displayed in the air and on the ground.

An F-104 (Italian Air Force?) was in the static display with large pieces of paper (for the sake of conspicuity) attached to the leading edge of the wings.

They were so sharp that you almost ran the risk of decapitation should you be unfortunate enough to come into contact with them.

I remember an extremely worried looking USAF member spending all his time keeping people a safe distance from danger.

These days you'd be kept 50 yards away behind a barrier.
Diaphone Jim • Jul 8, 2019 8:34 pm
As I just mis-posted in the badger thread, I wonder if precautions around the thin leading edge of F104's were more to protect damage TO rather than FROM.
Carruthers • Jul 9, 2019 4:32 am
Diaphone Jim;1035354 wrote:
I wonder if precautions around the thin leading edge of F104's were more to protect damage TO rather than FROM.


In this instance the danger was from the leading edge rather than the other way on.

With the wings mounted mid-fuselage, they would be at about head level and ground crews would frequently bump their heads on the wings, especially with their thin profile.
Although the edge was not as sharp as a knife, or even dull scissors, the injuries prompted the Air Force to install leading edge guards on the wings, while the plane was on the ground.
That would prevent injuries…


Presumably, as a visiting aircraft, leading edge guards weren't available so they had to improvise with paper and tape!

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Note the leading edge protector on the left of the picture.


Link
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 13, 2019 1:33 am
Henry's Fliver...
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 29, 2019 1:34 am
BV-141 recon plane...
Pamela • Jul 31, 2019 3:59 pm
I went by the EAA airshow in Oshkosh WI a bit ago. Unfortunately, no semi parking, as usual so I didn't get to stop and explore or take any pictures. I know LC from our dim history was there but alas, no meetup either.

I did, however, get treated to a low and loud flyover by two F4U Corsairs which were overnighting at a nearby airport when I finally did stop. While walking the dog in the morning, I heard the distinctive growl of two R-2800 radials winding up and taking off. I saw them as they cleared the treeline, climbing and turning north towards Oshkosh, so I assume they were heading there. Be still my fluttering heart!

Sometimes, I hate my job.
Diaphone Jim • Jul 31, 2019 4:41 pm
BV 141 better have a hefty rudder.
Carruthers • Jul 31, 2019 5:10 pm
Another from the Mach Loop but with a difference.

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Flying the flag

A United States Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jet, based at RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, displays the Welsh flag in the cockpit, as the plane flies at speeds of up to 600mph through the valleys in the Snowdonia National Park in North Wales.


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I think that the quoted speed of 600mph is overstated.
I'm pretty sure that the limit is 450 knots (520mph).
Still PD fast!
Diaphone Jim • Aug 1, 2019 12:16 pm
There is not a lot of that plane in front of the pilot, but behind, WHOA!
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2019 3:05 am
Image That's the trouble these days, whippersnappers zipping through the park to check it off on they're to-do list.
Nobody stopping to smell the flowers or feed the squirrels. :crone:
Carruthers • Aug 2, 2019 6:21 am
Also from Lakenheath, a different airframe but still with a Welsh flag and the chap in the back appears to be emulating Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove.:)

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Diaphone Jim • Aug 2, 2019 12:46 pm
It is obviously up to the job, but the nose gear looks kinda fragile.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2019 2:21 pm
I had the same thought, the nose gear doesn't look strong enough to roll the airframe alone around the hangar.:eyebrow:
Carruthers • Aug 6, 2019 6:33 am
Yesterday a Spitfire departed Goodwood aerodrome south of London for the first leg of a round the world trip.

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WHY FLY A SPITFIRE AROUND THE WORLD?

In 2019 two intrepid aviators will attempt to fly a Silver Spitfire around the world, taking in some of the most famous landmarks on the planet from the Grand Canyon in the West to the snow-capped peak of Mount Fuji in the East.

The Spitfire is a UK treasure and an emblem of freedom across the globe. The Silver Spitfire expedition will hopefully promote the ‘Best of British’ worldwide showcasing the nation’s heritage in engineering excellence, and an aircraft that changed the course of history. The Spitfire embodies not only a pinnacle in aerospace engineering and design but commemorates a generation of intrepid aviators prepared to stand up to oppression and make the ultimate sacrifice in pursuit of freedom.

The expedition will reunite the Spitfire with the many countries that owe their freedom, at least in part, to this iconic aircraft. The unmistakable sight and sound of this aircraft once again gracing the skies aims to inspire future generations more than eighty years after R.J. Mitchell’s timeless design first graced the skies.

In the great tradition of exploration, we seek to challenge ourselves by setting out to complete a trip that has never been attempted. By pushing the boundaries of what’s possible in this iconic single-engined aircraft we hope to climb “a pilot’s Everest”.


Please don't be put off by that florid prose!


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The flight will have fifteen stops in the US and you can see progress on the flight tracker page.

Link

Link
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 6, 2019 11:49 am
Looks like stops in DC, LA and Anchorage.
Carruthers • Aug 6, 2019 11:54 am
xoxoxoBruce;1036573 wrote:
Looks like stops in DC, LA and Anchorage.


Click on 'Route Map' and scroll down for details of all stops in the Lower 48.
In at Teterboro and out at Paine Field.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 6, 2019 12:24 pm
OK, I did't scroll down. :o

Scrolling down, then decoding the airport codes, it looks like 6 in Canada, then NJ, PA, IN, IA, NE, 3 in CO, 2 in NV, 3 in CA, OR, WA, 4 in Canada, 4 in AK.

edit: Caution, the dates are metric.
Diaphone Jim • Aug 7, 2019 3:58 pm
I wonder if betting shops are taking money on when this 75 year old fighter plane and/or one of its pilots fails in some fatal fashion?
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2019 2:01 am
Stack 'em up...
Diaphone Jim • Aug 10, 2019 2:50 pm
Top plane: 2 props, 2 jets, big smile?
Diaphone Jim • Aug 10, 2019 8:22 pm
Probably should have known it is a P38 Lightning and the "jets" are turbo-chargers.
http://www.thunderace.org/images/P38/P38.jpg

It would put a smile on my face, too.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2019 2:43 am
A P-38 is what got Admiral Yamamoto...

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A landing gear failure...

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BigV • Aug 13, 2019 5:36 pm
That'll buff right out.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2019 11:08 pm
This won't, an Avenger got it's wing shot off, went into a spin taking part of the wing off this one. Two of the crew bailed and the pilot had his belt off when the plane leveled off so he headed back to the carrier. When the carrier saw him they said no way you putting that piece of shit on our deck, ditch in the ocean and we'll pull you out.
Carruthers • Aug 15, 2019 6:41 am
Following Bruce's post #925 (wheels up landing) I did a bit of digging.

The aircraft is a Hawker Sea Fury of the Royal Navy Historical Flight but is on the civil register as G-RNHF. The accident occurred at RNAS Culdrose in July 2014.

The Air Accident Investigation Branch issued a 143 page report which makes interesting reading.

Those of you with:

(a) an inquiring mind

(b) too much time on your hands, or

(c) both of the above

can find the report here: AAIB G-RNHF

The initial synopsis...

The aircraft was performing in a public air display at Culdrose when the pilot became aware of a significant engine vibration and then a corresponding loss of thrust.
Despite the loss of engine power the pilot was able to land the aircraft on the runway but the landing gear collapsed on touchdown, causing it to veer off the runway.
The aircraft came to a stop on the grass approximately 1,500 ft from the initial touchdown point. The pilot vacated the aircraft unaided and without injury.
The accident was a result of the loss of engine power caused by severe mechanical disruption within the ‘front row’ crankcase of the engine.
The breakup may have been caused by the failure of an articulated connecting rod wrist pin bearing, possibly due to overheating, the cause of which is not yet known.
Forensic investigation is continuing, to establish the exact cause.


There's detailed and lengthy analysis in the main report.

For those of you who haven't read the book but would like to see the film...

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After an extensive restoration job the aircraft returned to the air in September 2017. Link

From the horse's mouth...

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BigV • Aug 15, 2019 10:41 am
BUFFED!
Carruthers • Aug 15, 2019 10:44 am
BigV;1037017 wrote:
BUFFED!


Expensively so!
Diaphone Jim • Aug 15, 2019 12:45 pm
Good on that pilot!
If he had bailed, no telling where the plane would have crashed and what damage it would have done on the ground, let alone destroying itself.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2019 12:54 am
Mind boggling they forgot it, or didn't figure it was worth the effort to retrieve...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2019 1:05 am
Oh, and a little rah rah North American, in '38 they knew war was coming.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2019 12:38 am
Must be a Chinese plane... chop chop.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 23, 2019 3:37 am
Helldiver...
Diaphone Jim • Aug 23, 2019 12:17 pm
Canopies wide open, ready to bail.
Gravdigr • Aug 23, 2019 3:55 pm
Carruthers;1036565 wrote:
Yesterday a Spitfire departed Goodwood aerodrome south of London for the first leg of a round the world trip.

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He landed 18-20 miles north of me yesterday. It's not on the list of scheduled stops.:(

Link

Link to a video that doesn't want to play
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 24, 2019 1:59 am
Yeah, the stops were ...NJ, PA, IN, IA, NE, 3 in CO, 2 in NV, 3 in CA, OR, WA,...
I wonder if weather drove him so far south?
Gravdigr • Aug 24, 2019 1:36 pm
Neither the paper newspaper article, nor the online article, gave an indication why he was there.
Carruthers • Aug 24, 2019 1:52 pm
Gravdigr;1037433 wrote:
Neither the paper newspaper article, nor the online article, gave an indication why he was there.


I've had a look at silverspitfire.com and it doesn't shed any light on why the aircraft stopped at Bowling Green either.

Twitter and Facebook feeds linked in that site are similarly bereft of detail.

Unfortunately the links given in your post aren't available this side of the Atlantic but I did find a report plus video here:

13wbko
Gravdigr • Aug 24, 2019 2:00 pm
I've been leaning towards a refueling stop.

I just get that feeling.
Griff • Aug 24, 2019 4:34 pm
Maybe paying his respects at the Massacre site. *cough*
Gravdigr • Aug 25, 2019 9:11 pm
Too soon[size=1](snicker)[/size].
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2019 10:09 am
He was probably refueling but I still wonder why he was that far from the published route? Giving Green Stamps? Wouldn't take his credit card up north? Got an email with tits?

There used to be wild shit in the sky, and wilder promises.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 29, 2019 2:10 am
War is hell...

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with fire and brimstone.

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Diaphone Jim • Aug 29, 2019 3:39 pm
I love the features at this website:

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196286/consolidated-b-24d-liberator/

The links for viewing (cockpit, waist gunner e.g.) are visual knockouts.
fargon • Aug 29, 2019 6:20 pm
Won't load.
Diaphone Jim • Aug 29, 2019 6:45 pm
I must have jinxed that website. None of the links from Google and other search engines work either.
Did Trump just abolish the Air Force?
I'll try tomorrow and give a heads up if things change.
fargon • Aug 29, 2019 6:52 pm
Thank You Sir.
Gravdigr • Aug 29, 2019 8:42 pm
Working now.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 30, 2019 12:37 am
Works for me too...

P-61
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deHavilland
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Ju88
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Hawker
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Gravdigr • Aug 30, 2019 9:00 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1037802 wrote:
Works for me too...

P-61


The Northrop P-61 Black Widow, named for the North American spider, was the first operational U.S. warplane designed as a night fighter, and the first aircraft designed to use radar.


~Wiki
Gravdigr • Aug 31, 2019 11:56 am
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I thought this was an interesting pic.

Link
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 4, 2019 12:40 am
Grover Sassaman is 98, has logged over a million motorcycle miles, owns a HD dealership in Macon, GA, and was a mechanic for Pappy Boyington's Black Sheep in the Solomons.
Happy Monkey • Sep 4, 2019 1:01 pm
Diaphone Jim;1037756 wrote:
I love the features at this website:

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/196286/consolidated-b-24d-liberator/

The links for viewing (cockpit, waist gunner e.g.) are visual knockouts.

Hulu's Catch 22 has some good bomber scenes.
Griff • Sep 5, 2019 7:17 am
Grover Sassman appears to be an awesome human from a time when awesome humans could be fully awesome.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 5, 2019 10:03 am
Yeah, Sassaman went to the HD mechanics school at the factory in 1939 and got his diploma signed by Arthur Davidson. He left the Marine Corps in 1945 with the rank of Master Technical Sergeant. After the war they awarded him a franchise in Indiana, a one man operation he grew successfully. Then a franchise in Florida, now Georgia.
Diaphone Jim • Sep 5, 2019 12:34 pm
Grover - The Video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4fhyCuslkw
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 5, 2019 11:46 pm
That's a good video, done when he was young and sharp at 90. He has such an incredible attitude, impossible not to like him.

Retractable plane skis, I wonder how they did that, can't have been flush?
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 7, 2019 12:54 am
Hail, God's grit blaster...

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Big B-36 tire, imagine that going flat on landing...

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 8, 2019 1:06 am
You can see what's happening at 37 major airports in the US right here.
Diaphone Jim • Sep 8, 2019 1:19 pm
That is one amazing website! Going to Favorites.
I just watched about five minutes of real time SFO. Wow.
Shows how outrageously stupid, even in simpler days, Reagan was to fire striking air traffic controllers.
glatt • Sep 8, 2019 2:27 pm
That is super cool.

We dropped my daughter off at DCA for her trip over to Australia, and since it was international, she wanted to be there 2.5 hours early.

So we went to our home, 5 miles away, and an hour or two later, I was watching the status of her flight on my phone and was able to see her plane taking off over the Arlington sky. I could only pick hers out because with my binoculars I could see the airline logo on the tail of her plane, and her flight was listed as left the gate, but there were 4 flights in a row from another airline, and then finally one from her airline. So it had the be hers. And then afterwards, it was listed as on route.

This website would have made things a lot easier.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 9, 2019 12:22 am
Well Jim, glatt, you know I do it all for you. :lol:
Carruthers • Sep 9, 2019 10:14 am
glatt;1038267 wrote:
That is super cool.

We dropped my daughter off at DCA for her trip over to Australia, and since it was international, she wanted to be there 2.5 hours early.

So we went to our home, 5 miles away, and an hour or two later, I was watching the status of her flight on my phone and was able to see her plane taking off over the Arlington sky. I could only pick hers out because with my binoculars I could see the airline logo on the tail of her plane, and her flight was listed as left the gate, but there were 4 flights in a row from another airline, and then finally one from her airline. So it had the be hers. And then afterwards, it was listed as on route.

This website would have made things a lot easier.


You might like to have a look at FR24

I tried to post a screenshot of the app from my iPad but the file was too large.

If you click on the aircraft icon, information about the flight will appear on the left of your PC screen.

As an alternative Planefinder is also pretty useful.
Diaphone Jim • Sep 9, 2019 12:34 pm
I wish I could say I noticed, but in my three visits to the SFO page yesterday I did not see that one of the four main runways (28L) was inactive.
I heard this morning that it is closed for repaving and caused significant delays starting yesterday and will continue for a few weeks.
And I Was There!
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 19, 2019 2:46 am
British Bomber, also a US Korean War fighter from a page with tons of pictures of that era including carriers.

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Looks like the inlets were reworked on the Victor.

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 24, 2019 1:34 am
Imagine trying to set this Lockheed XFV-1-7 down on a carrier deck...
Carruthers • Sep 24, 2019 5:39 am
xoxoxoBruce;1038795 wrote:
British Bomber...

Looks like the inlets were reworked on the Victor.




My befuddled early morning brain couldn't remember which engines were installed in the Victor.

Both the Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire and the Rolls-Royce Conway rang a bell. The answer is both!

Wiki says the B.1 version had the Sapphire and the B.2 had the Conway which probably explains the difference in the intakes. Not sure which is which though.

Link

The Victor also made an appearance earlier in the thread.

Prompted by Gravdigr's post:

https://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p=1029013&postcount=810


ETA Looks like the B.2 (Conway) in the camouflage colour scheme and the B.1 (Sapphire) in the all white paint job.
Griff • Sep 24, 2019 7:23 am
xoxoxoBruce;1038988 wrote:
Imagine trying to set this Lockheed XFV-1-7 down on a carrier deck...


Danger bird...
captainhook455 • Sep 24, 2019 9:50 am
He could use some rearview mirrors.

Sent from my moto e5 supra using Tapatalk
Diaphone Jim • Sep 24, 2019 12:34 pm
I don't know nuttin about this plane, but Wikipedia has this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_XFV

It talks about a different engine and says it never landed that way.

I say they gave up when they discovered that short of ejecting the pilot would be stuck there once he was down.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 25, 2019 1:48 am
They could have gone with the Space Ranger...
Gravdigr • Sep 26, 2019 10:12 am
From the makers of Sham-WOW!
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 26, 2019 4:42 pm
Not everything works out...

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Or Howard Hughes happens...

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Diaphone Jim • Sep 27, 2019 7:09 pm
Airport cleaning service:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYVsotySupE
Diaphone Jim • Sep 27, 2019 7:17 pm
And another C5. I love these planes.
Shorter and cleaner takeoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H_3fp_NjuQ
Diaphone Jim • Sep 27, 2019 7:34 pm
I guess I was in the mood to be impressed this afternoon and Youtube kept coming up with new vids.
Bruce had a post about Aircoupes/Ercoupes a while back. Those and this are both aircraft somehow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAp9xSkc17A
Gravdigr • Sep 27, 2019 9:40 pm
That AN-225 take off was fairly impressive.
sexobon • Sep 27, 2019 10:21 pm
I've flown in a C5 only once, from here to Panama. It was a split load with an upper deck installed for passengers. That thing is ginormous.
Diaphone Jim • Sep 28, 2019 12:27 pm
A few years back I had to work on the day of our local airshow. It was especially disappointing in that a fly-by of a C5A from Travis Air Force Base was scheduled.
It was early for its appearance and circled where I was working about five times at very low altitude, a much better view than the folks at the airport got.
There was an illusion caused by its huge size that it was barely moving.
I can still hear and see that treat.
Griff • Sep 28, 2019 2:40 pm
Yeah its freaky how much it looks like a stall.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2019 1:33 am
This is what happens when you land on the wrong carrier...
Griff • Oct 3, 2019 7:29 am
We lost 7 people and a B17 yesterday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-connecticut-crash/vintage-b-17-bomber-makes-fiery-fatal-landing-in-connecticut-seven-killed-idUSKBN1WH1RB
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 3, 2019 12:29 pm
3 crew and 10 passengers on that B-17, sounds like the flight I took on a B-17 which has since been destroyed.
Diaphone Jim • Oct 3, 2019 12:47 pm
Amazing that there were survivors.
The NTSB is sending a ten person team to spend months on per diem in high end accommodations to find out why an almost 80 year old plane crashed.
I think another one is still working on the duck boat.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 3, 2019 12:58 pm
Yes, but they'll be on the scene if another plane crashes at Bradley. :rolleyes:

Avoid airports with flying boats.
Griff • Oct 3, 2019 1:55 pm
Only the worst dwellars can highlight..[COLOR="White"].I heard they attempted to lift off from a treadmill... yeah that's too soon.[/COLOR]
Gravdigr • Oct 3, 2019 3:50 pm
What did I do?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 6, 2019 12:00 am
Must be one of those flying tigers they talk about... :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 8, 2019 1:04 am
Takeoff...

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One they didn't build...

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Gravdigr • Oct 8, 2019 6:48 pm
Here it is on the ground, overflown by two B-24 Liberators:

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Dassa big plane.

Here's her nose art:

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Box says "Supplies".
Gravdigr • Oct 11, 2019 9:34 pm
NASA launched a weather satellite last night. They launched it from this, the Lockheed L-1011 STARGAZER:

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It was the Ionospheric Connection Explorer or ICON satellite, and it was on a 52,000 lb Pegasus rocket.

"It's dropping 52,000 pounds, but the plane still has the same lift," he said. "...so the plane climbs fairly rapidly about 1,200 to 1,500 feet as the rocket's falling."
Griff • Oct 12, 2019 9:43 am
This is pretty cool stuff! Imagine the plane ride when you drop all that weight.
Gravdigr • Oct 12, 2019 12:19 pm
Sorry about that wonky StarGazer link, <---maybe this one will work.

[size=1]Maybe proofread your shit, Digr...[/size]
Diaphone Jim • Oct 12, 2019 12:48 pm
It looks like only three L-1011's are still flying. Too bad.
Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2019 7:01 pm
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Think he means crash...






Ever heard of airplane poison?

One drop'll kill ya.
Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2019 7:34 pm
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A sounder of warthogs.
BigV • Oct 27, 2019 4:24 pm
An overkill of warthogs.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2019 10:11 pm
This has me puzzled. The "rack" holding the bike looks like a permanent fixture so I don't think he's flying the plane somewhere and biking back. Since the pilot sits in the rear seat on some of these early planes maybe he flies the bike and dispatch rider to a far location and the rider/bike go the rest of the way to where the plane can't. I'm guessing.
Gravdigr • Oct 28, 2019 2:46 pm
Hi, High.:welcome: to The Cellar.
Gravdigr • Oct 28, 2019 2:48 pm
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Clodfobble • Oct 28, 2019 3:20 pm
Meh. All those pictured luxuries are still very much available. Just pay $4,700 a ticket. (That was the average cost of an off-season, round trip from NYC to London in 1950... after being adjusted for inflation.)
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 4, 2019 12:23 am
Seems to me the turbulence from the open frame would have a higher penalty then a simple coverings weight.
Plus freezing your nuts off.
Carruthers • Nov 4, 2019 7:48 am
xoxoxoBruce;1040858 wrote:
Seems to me the turbulence from the open frame would have a higher penalty then a simple coverings weight.
Plus freezing your nuts off.


I wonder what it is like to land in a crosswind?
Diaphone Jim • Nov 4, 2019 1:02 pm
From Wikipedia:
"Savage Bobber A Savage Cub with an uncovered open-frame fuselage designed to comply with the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale microlight rules including a maximum gross weight of 472.5 kg (1,042 lb). The baggage compartment is a fabric or leather bag strapped to the airframe."

Sort of explains he what, but not the why.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 4, 2019 9:59 pm
Towing down the highway. Not even a wide load flag car behind it.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 28, 2019 12:27 am
Guppy...
Gravdigr • Nov 28, 2019 3:48 pm
I was intrigued by the Guppy/Superguppy when I was young.

And still.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 1, 2019 3:33 pm
Things have gotten a little more complicated since 1920...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2019 1:21 am
That military-industrial complex wet dream called the F-35 is assembled from parts sourced all over the world. About 850 of them from Turkey.

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Not like the Warthog they're trying so hard to kill...

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 4, 2019 12:16 am
Britain's first...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 6, 2019 1:08 am
Boasting new planes in 1950 ....
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2019 12:03 am
These were discontinued at the start of WW II and not needed after.
Gravdigr • Dec 12, 2019 2:34 pm
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Now that's a pretty nice garage.
Flint • Dec 12, 2019 2:39 pm
Gravdigr;1042952 wrote:

Now that's a pretty nice garage.
Looks like a scene from Star Wars.
Clodfobble • Dec 12, 2019 4:36 pm
I thought it was a new IceCapades show, at first...
Gravdigr • Dec 15, 2019 4:29 pm
Imagine the ticket prices to that show...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2019 12:15 am
Dogfighters...
fargon • Dec 17, 2019 2:16 pm
Woof.
Gravdigr • Dec 18, 2019 4:21 pm
Do their tongues hang out when flying?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 19, 2019 12:14 am
They'd have to spin with the prop then you'd need windshield wipers.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 22, 2019 10:45 pm
ac130 they've been building since 1954... no not this one. :p:

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Before Sikorsky came over from the dark side...

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Carruthers • Dec 29, 2019 10:46 am
I have a feeling that I have already posted this but it's worth another look.

Those of a sensitive disposition might be offended by the use of strong language.

The rest of us will just have a good laugh. ;)

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sexobon • Dec 29, 2019 11:14 am
[post=1027125]Here.[/post]

Just as good the second time around.

Someone should make an animated GIF out of that.
Carruthers • Dec 29, 2019 1:06 pm
sexobon;1043748 wrote:
[post=1027125]Here.[/post]

Just as good the second time around.

Someone should make an animated GIF out of that.


Ta! :thumb:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2020 10:21 am
Smart Ruskie, don't need a hangar when you're a Ninja Turtle...
Diaphone Jim • Jan 12, 2020 12:18 pm
Went over like a lead balloon.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 13, 2020 1:19 am
At least a corrugated sheet steel balloon. :haha:
Gravdigr • Jan 14, 2020 7:41 pm
Move along folks, nothing to see here...

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...just a sleepy-eyed, flying whale with an underbite, move along.









[SIZE="1"]Whale of a plane though.[/SIZE]
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 14, 2020 11:11 pm
Empty weight: 127,500 kg (281,089 lb)
Capacity: 50,500 kg (111,333 lb) payload
Max takeoff weight: 227,000 kg (500,449 lb)
sexobon • Jan 14, 2020 11:38 pm
Maybe it eats those Spirit Airlines flying bananas.

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Carruthers • Jan 15, 2020 6:31 am
Gravdigr;1044683 wrote:
Move along folks, nothing to see here...


...just a sleepy-eyed, flying whale with an underbite, move along.


[SIZE="1"]Whale of a plane though.[/SIZE]


I've occasionally seen one of these monsters but only at great altitude when trailing.

They fly between the Airbus factory near Chester, where wings are manufactured and, I believe, the assembly plant in Toulouse.

If I've managed to be looking at FR24 at the right time I've nipped outside to see for myself but, despite their size and even with the aid of a good pair of binoculars, you don't see much when they are five or six miles up!
Diaphone Jim • Jan 24, 2020 3:55 pm
I'm never quite sure how to introduce a new topic, but I spent some time this morning looking for information on the C130 fire tanker that crashed in Australia a few days ago.
A couple of overviews with imbedded vids:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-23/large-air-tanker-c-130-water-bomber-crash-cooma/11894892

https://fireaviation.com/tag/t-134/

There is some duplication but it is a very interesting and tragic story.

One thing I couldn't find is how they got the fairly short range 130 to Australia.
This details the fatal flight:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N134CG/history

but not the transpacific trip. If anyone is a member, the info is available and I would like to learn it.

They can refuel in flight and it is always exciting to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu3KCyTth0o

They might have hopped around the northern Pacific, but that seems to be tough even for modified jet tankers.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2020 12:42 am
Maybe they filled the retardent & water tanks with fuel and ran a hose to the fuel tank. Or set it on one of those empty container ships returning to China. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2020 9:59 am
Send the AWACS out to choose who we'll kill tomorrow.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 3, 2020 11:58 pm
This family was 5 miles from Aspen, CO when the instruments went crazy and it appeared the engine would quit.
He had to make a split second decision and chose to pull the chute on the Cirrus airplane while he was still
high enough for it to work. The plane ended up in waist deep snow with the chute snagged on a tree which kept
then from sliding down the slope. No one hurt and rescued by the next day as rescue crews snowshoed in.
Took them 3 hours to shoeshoe out.

The plane and chute system from Cirrus Aircraft, Duluth, MN.
Parent organization: Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC)
Clodfobble • Feb 4, 2020 8:28 am
Wow--I've never seen a parachute on a plane, before. I guess it does make more sense than properly training everyone who gets on how to use a personal chute.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 4, 2020 9:10 am
It was first certified in a Cessna in 1998.
As of 18 December 2018, CAPS has been activated 98 times, 83 of which saw successful parachute deployment. In those successful deployments, there were 170 survivors and 1 fatality. No fatalities have occurred when the parachute was deployed within the certified speed and altitude parameters, and only one anomalous unsuccessful deployment has ever occurred within those parameters. Some additional deployments have been reported by accident, as caused by ground impact or post-impact fires, and 19 of the aircraft involved in CAPS deployments have been repaired and put back into service.[20]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_Airframe_Parachute_System
Carruthers • Feb 17, 2020 5:32 am
Taken during Storm Dennis, Saturday last...

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Foreshortening of distance due to telephoto lense effect and camera angle probably conspire to make this look worse than it was.

That said it was 'interesting'. :eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 17, 2020 10:44 am
That's what happens in strong winds, the trick is keeping the wings level. If the wings don't touch first it should be OK even at obscene angles of approach. It helps that the passengers can't see out the windshield. ;)
Carruthers • Feb 17, 2020 10:52 am
xoxoxoBruce;1046741 wrote:
That's what happens in strong winds, the trick is keeping the wings level. If the wings don't touch first it should be OK even at obscene angles of approach. It helps that the passengers can't see out the windshield. ;)


I believe that the C-5 Galaxy landing gear aligns itself with the extended centre line of the runway so even if the aircraft is crabbing down the approach the wheels will still point in the right direction, within certain limits, no doubt.
I stand to be corrected but I think that the B-52 has a similar capability.

My own attempts at crosswind landings were rarely a thing of beauty.
Being a cautious soul I tended to kick off the drift too early, but on days when I wasn't I'd kick it off too late.
Occasionally I got it right but it tended to be more by good luck than good management. :eek:
Diaphone Jim • Feb 17, 2020 12:26 pm
That put some strain on the gear and wear on the tires!
I saw a Dennis landing yesterday with incredible wing flexing.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2020 12:47 am
I wasn't aware the B-52 could do that so I checked and it can, 20 degrees left or right. Then checked to see how far a C-5 could turn and it was also 20 degrees.
But I found on airlinersdotnet a discussion claiming The C-5A had this feature, the C-5B did not, then it was removed from all the C-5As. The reasons given were maintenance issues, complexity and improved landing techniques. Sounds like military bullshit to me.
Carruthers • Feb 18, 2020 4:49 am
xoxoxoBruce;1046759 wrote:
I wasn't aware the B-52 could do that so I checked and it can, 20 degrees left or right. Then checked to see how far a C-5 could turn and it was also 20 degrees.
But I found on airlinersdotnet a discussion claiming The C-5A had this feature, the C-5B did not, then it was removed from all the C-5As. The reasons given were maintenance issues, complexity and improved landing techniques. Sounds like military bullshit to me.


That probably means that they just lowered the crosswind landing limits. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2020 10:09 am
Yeah, the cross wind is too strong so just keep flying around until you run out of fuel and crash into the children's hospital, grammar school, and SPCA. :haha:
Gravdigr • Feb 19, 2020 9:50 am
xoxoxoBruce;1046796 wrote:
...until you run out of fuel and crash into the children's hospital...


Well, the ambulance will get there quicker...
Diaphone Jim • Feb 19, 2020 12:30 pm
Where there is enough room, crossed runways partially solve crosswind problems.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 19, 2020 2:38 pm
Right, most of international/commercial airports have runways in two orientations. Some even have three where, like you said, they have room, and the winds are capricious.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2020 1:21 am
An image search gives me, "Handley Page HP42 Western, G-AAXC, named 'Heracles', owned by Imperial Airways, at Croydon Airport near London in 1936."
Carruthers • Feb 21, 2020 10:34 am
A while back I posted a 'colourised' B&W print of another Imperial Airways HP42 on a refuelling stop in Jordan in 1931.

Link

I knew that Croydon airport ceased to exist decades ago and had largely disappeared under suburban concrete, but what I didn't know was that the airport buildings are still there in the middle of an industrial estate.

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Street View Link
Griff • Feb 21, 2020 12:04 pm
That's pretty neat.

We have a lot of closed airfields in the US but I think they tend to be way out in the boonies where re-purposing is hit or miss.
Gravdigr • Feb 24, 2020 12:33 pm
For sale: one slightly used A-10 Thunderbolt II:

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Previously owned by a li'l ol' lady from Pasadena...
BigV • Feb 24, 2020 4:01 pm
that'll buff right out
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 20, 2020 12:41 am
Pan Am Clipper landing in San Francisco Bay after it's first round trip to Hawaii.

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And a Stewart M-2

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BigV • Mar 20, 2020 1:09 am
At the local Habitat for Humanity, they take donations and sell them. Today I drove by and saw a pair of airplane wing frames stacked outside.


WEIRD.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 20, 2020 8:35 am
WTF is this? Looks like it lit a fart.
Griff • Mar 20, 2020 8:39 am
A good way to get killed?
Diaphone Jim • Mar 20, 2020 12:51 pm
Probably a security violation just to look at it.
BigV • Mar 20, 2020 2:25 pm
a work in progress
Carruthers • Mar 21, 2020 6:26 am
xoxoxoBruce;1048864 wrote:
WTF is this? Looks like it lit a fart.


I think it might be a MiG 15 exhibited at Air Zoo Aerospace & Science Museum, Kalamazoo, MI.

It appears to have been operated under the civil registration of N621BM at one point.

Admittedly the engine looks a little long vis-a-vis the fuselage but it may be an illusion.

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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 21, 2020 9:26 am
Could be the MIG but the wings look different. The end shape could be angle of the photograph but the struts coming over the top of the wing look different.:confused:

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Looking at both I think you're right about being a MIG, maybe a different one.
Carruthers • Mar 21, 2020 9:36 am
xoxoxoBruce;1048965 wrote:
Could be the MIG but the wings look different. The end shape could be angle of the photograph but the struts coming over the top of the wing look different.:confused:


Two things sent me in the MiG direction.
One was the old Soviet red star marking outboard of the wing fence, and the second was the fences themselves.
Also, note the antenna by the rear of the cockpit blister at an angle to the fuselage top line; it's the same in both pictures.
Admittedly I'm not 100% sure, but find myself firmly in the 'it'll do for the minute' category.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 21, 2020 9:45 am
Aha fences, I didn't know what they're called. Makes perfect sense, thank you. :smack:
Diaphone Jim • Mar 21, 2020 12:58 pm
I'm not seeing much resemblance between the top airplane and ol' 1621.
Wing angles and their sculptured top surfaces (fences) are different as are the overall proportions.
That huge engine wouldn't fit I think.
Looking forward to more discussion.
Carruthers • Mar 21, 2020 6:16 pm
Gentlemen, I think that we may be looking at a MiG 17.

What I hadn't noticed is that there are three fences on the wing of the aircraft in the initial photo, the one nearest the fuselage not being particularly conspicuous.

Also the outboard fence stops, not unreasonably, at the aileron.

Shown quite well here:

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And as far as that engine is concerned:

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Link

Link

Apologies for brevity but it's past my bedtime. :blush:

Quick PS: Bruce, see the caption to the first photo in the second link.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2020 12:41 am
By jove I think you have. Mig 17 it is. :notworthy

No need to upset your circadian rhythm over this stuff. ;)
Carruthers • Mar 22, 2020 12:44 am
xoxoxoBruce;1049037 wrote:
By jove I think you have. Mig 17 it is. :notworthy

No need to upset your circadian rhythm over this stuff. ;)


Circadian rhythm long since shot to bits!

It's 0445... what on Earth am I doing here?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 24, 2020 3:14 am
Drive your car to Crydon and it becomes carry-on....
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 1, 2020 10:36 am
First plane with cat tracks...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 2, 2020 2:33 am
Fly Howard, fly...
Diaphone Jim • Apr 2, 2020 11:56 am
Beautiful and historic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HughesH1fuselageUnder.JPG

'individually machined flush rivets that left the aluminium skin of the aircraft completely smooth."
Griff • Apr 2, 2020 12:32 pm
Dead sexy.
BigV • Apr 2, 2020 3:16 pm
yeah, but what about the plane Griff?
Griff • Apr 2, 2020 3:17 pm
Howard is at least dead.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 4, 2020 12:25 pm
Maybe, but Howard was pretty sneaky. :unsure:

This looks like a big family...
Diaphone Jim • Apr 4, 2020 8:19 pm
Speaking of Howard Hughes, I found this while mindlessly internet surfing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Hj_KcE7_M

Just one of Kermit Weeks' 140 airplanes.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 5, 2020 1:36 am
Like owning a horse not allowed out of its stall. Damn shame. :(
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 5, 2020 6:01 am
European traffic is down...
Carruthers • Apr 5, 2020 6:15 am
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And that's about all I've seen this morning.

Just passing north of Oxford as I type.
Diaphone Jim • Apr 5, 2020 12:29 pm
From statista
"It is expected that 2020 will set a new record in terms of the number of scheduled passengers with over 4.72 billion, around 137 percent higher than in 2004."

Wanna bet?

I can't find how many different passengers fly each year.
In other words, how many repeats are there.
I'm guessing that way fewer than 1 billion, maybe even only 100 million make up all the individuals.
Diaphone Jim • Apr 5, 2020 3:39 pm
In other words again:
Is the total one guy flying 4.3 billion times or 4.3 billion people flying once?
The answer obviously is somewhere where in between. But where?
Diaphone Jim • Apr 6, 2020 12:43 pm
Two factoids I found (citations on request.)
"Maybe six percent of the world&#8217;s population flew in a single year."
&#8220;Less than 20 percent of the world's population has ever taken a single flight."

So of those 4 billion or so flights last year were taken by 420 million individuals.
And a little over one billion have ever flown

Intuitively, those seem too high. Corrections welcome.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 6, 2020 3:41 pm
I saw an unsubstantiated piece last night claiming less than 5% of the world population had never flown. I found that to be preposterous.
Diaphone Jim • Apr 6, 2020 4:18 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1050296 wrote:
I saw an unsubstantiated piece last night claiming less than 5% of the world population had never flown. I found that to be preposterous.


Never or ever?
I saw that mixed up in many of the sites I found.

I think it might be ever. I.E. 350 million people have done all the flying.

This confusion is why I asked the question in the first place.:)
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 7, 2020 2:04 am
No, it was definitely Never, and I just couldn't believe that. :headshake
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 12, 2020 12:15 am
Something to ponder...
Carruthers • Apr 12, 2020 5:32 am
Some more here...

LINK
Diaphone Jim • Apr 12, 2020 1:12 pm
Holy shit!
That is a whole multi-billion (trillion?) world I never heard of.
With climate change, pandemics and over-population, what a short-sighted way to waste resources.
Swords into plowshares? Nope, deadly toys.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 18, 2020 12:35 am
War hero, no little war, the big one, WW II...
Carruthers • Apr 24, 2020 7:55 am
Somewhere up thread I mentioned the ability of the landing gear on the C5 Galaxy and the B-52 to align itself with the runway centre line as the aircraft 'crabs' down the approach for a cross wind landing.

It's a useful capability during a cross wind takeoff as well.

[YOUTUBE]A1lpoZDjt00[/YOUTUBE]

For those possessed of an enquiring mind, try carrying a large sheet of plywood in a high wind. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 25, 2020 1:38 am
I didn't know they could do that. Makes sense to have the wings into the wind for max lift.
Carruthers • Apr 25, 2020 5:41 am
xoxoxoBruce;1051522 wrote:
I didn't know they could do that. Makes sense to have the wings into the wind for max lift.


I had a look at the Haynes Manual for the B-52 on Amazon.

It's extremely expensive, so I won't be shelling out, but I was interested to see a description of the landing gear offset mechanism in one of the images of the book.

Click here, go to image number six and embiggen.

I was surprised to see that it is a manually selected system. I expected it to be somehow connected to the Instrument Landing System (ILS) extended centre line beam, the localiser.

Admittedly, that might not be at the top of the list of available facilities when the aircraft is operated in a wartime environment, so perhaps it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise after all.
Diaphone Jim • Apr 25, 2020 12:30 pm
With 5 of the 6 crew up front, someone ought to be able to do the manual thing.
Amazing planes, too bad what they do.

From Wikipedia:
"Because of the B-52's mission parameters, only modest maneuvers would be required with no need for spin recovery.[96] The aircraft has a relatively small, narrow chord rudder, giving it limited yaw control authority. Originally an all-moving vertical stabilizer was to be used, but was abandoned because of doubts about hydraulic actuator reliability.[96] Because the aircraft has eight engines, asymmetrical thrust due to the loss of an engine in flight would be minimal and correctable with the narrow rudder. To assist with crosswind takeoffs and landings the main landing gear can be pivoted 20 degrees to either side from neutral.[97] This yaw adjustable crosswind landing gear would be preset by the crew according to wind observations made on the ground."
BigV • Apr 25, 2020 5:20 pm
so they line up the wheels with the windsock and then land, eh?
Carruthers • Apr 25, 2020 5:27 pm
BigV;1051538 wrote:
so they line up the wheels with the windsock and then land, eh?


Not quite. The aircraft is pointed into wind and the wheels are aligned with the centre line of the runway.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 25, 2020 5:55 pm
The plane will align itself with the wind, just line up the wheels with the runway.

Hey, wait a damn minute, a Haynes Manual? For our main strategic bomber? Isn't that treason or something?
BigV • May 24, 2020 3:18 pm
Like!
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Diaphone Jim • May 24, 2020 8:25 pm
A flying gun.
In Vietnam we had all the air power, close support would make your day and dust-offs save your life.
We never would have won without them.

More:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXgtyyXjDm4
Griff • May 25, 2020 7:40 am
I see what you did there.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 4, 2020 10:46 pm
Cluster fuck...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 10, 2020 12:54 am
Russian planes...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 19, 2020 12:08 am
Vapor trails, that's how they spread the virus to the 5G towers.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 22, 2020 8:34 pm
I call it a mullet plane, propeller in the front, jet in the rear...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 27, 2020 3:01 am
Shiny high wing over Phoenix Sky Harbor...
Diaphone Jim • Jun 27, 2020 12:43 pm
I am having trouble identifying objects in the pic.
This does not seem to help:
https://www.skytamer.com/6.1/AZ/Phoenix,SkyHarbor.jpg

Seems to be a lack of airplanes.
Carruthers • Jun 27, 2020 1:25 pm
Diaphone Jim;1054453 wrote:
I am having trouble identifying objects in the pic.
This does not seem to help:
https://www.skytamer.com/6.1/AZ/Phoenix,SkyHarbor.jpg

Seems to be a lack of airplanes.


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This is a screen grab from Google Earth.
It's a bit of a compromise as far as vertical angle v area covered is concerned.
Compare the unlit area to the LHS with the rather low river in this daylight image.
Lack of aircraft visible can probably be explained by it being very late at night when movements are few and far between and a transiting aircraft can get permission to cross approaches or departure routes.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 27, 2020 10:03 pm
Diaphone Jim;1054453 wrote:
I am having trouble identifying objects in the pic.
This does not seem to help:
https://www.skytamer.com/6.1/AZ/Phoenix,SkyHarbor.jpg

Seems to be a lack of airplanes.
BigV • Jun 28, 2020 12:02 pm
nice work xoB.

Can you tell me about the difference in the colors of the lights? I reckon the orange ones are sodium vapor, the white ones are probably leds or mercury vapor, I guess... but why different colors in different areas?
Diaphone Jim • Jun 28, 2020 2:47 pm
Sorry to be dense, but how about what functions are done where.
Things like runways, taxiways, ramps, terminals and hangars.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 28, 2020 8:40 pm
You can't see the runways?
Diaphone Jim • Jun 29, 2020 1:04 pm
OK, runways, parallel, no cross winds.
Big ponds on both sides of both.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 30, 2020 12:13 am
Ponds? No ponds. I think you're losing perspective on the size. That overhead photo you linked has plenty of planes but they are tiny.
The North runway is 11,489 feet long(2 fucking miles) and 150 feet wide.
The middle runway is 10,300 feet long and 150 feet wide.
The south runway is 7,800 feet long and 150 feet wide.
All three have black rubber streaks up the middle.
All three have a bunch of concrete loops on the side for taxi.
The loops have something dark in the middle, dirt, blacktop, whatever.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 7, 2020 2:26 am
When you absolutely positively have to get your glider off the ground...
Gravdigr • Jul 8, 2020 10:51 pm
A bot-tailed Rolls w/a ball hitch, I'll be dipped.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 20, 2020 4:56 am
They built one, made a short test flight, crashed on it's second flight, gave it up as too expensive...

[YOUTUBE]SQBxgtP5lMw[/YOUTUBE]
Diaphone Jim • Jul 20, 2020 1:28 pm
That is one hell of a plane. Its engines are works of art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.60

It is surprising how little known the Caproni aircraft saga is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni
Carruthers • Jul 25, 2020 1:57 pm
We've paid for the use of the runway so we're going to have our money's worth...

[YOUTUBE]Gv13eeRh2-c[/YOUTUBE]

Rada Airlines (Belarus) IL-62 freighter departing Nis, Serbia.
Diaphone Jim • Jul 25, 2020 6:59 pm
He raised dust off the plowed field a 1/4 mile from the pavement.
Not welcome back.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 1, 2020 2:48 pm
Tons of original engineering drawings for the P-51.

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When the factory gave them to the current owner in 1988 a lot of the were wet from a broken pipe and had to be dried out.
Fortunately most were vellum with graphite pencil drawings and sketches which handle water pretty well.

These are rare because most manufacturers transferred everything to microfilm and destroyed the originals in order to save space.
Unfortunately for some reason microfilm has trouble with vellum.

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Digital doesn't have this problem.
Diaphone Jim • Aug 2, 2020 4:50 pm
Carb , I assume, of the wonderful Merlin engine.
I love the "emerg. f. rich" and what it must have done.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2020 5:05 pm
That position was safety wired off but with a wire weak enough to break with a determined force of the control.
The instructions were if you need this return to base immediately.

&#9835; It's fun to fly the BOAC
It's fun to fly the BOAC
They’ve things for young men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
&#9835;It's fun to fly the BOAC
It's fun to fly the BOAC
You can get yourself clean,
you can have a good meal
&#9835;You can do whatever you feel
Diaphone Jim • Aug 3, 2020 11:53 am
The VC-10 didn't need the .50 on NY flights.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 4, 2020 6:12 pm
What's that in English?
Diaphone Jim • Aug 4, 2020 7:06 pm
See 1771-1774 in Random Pics.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 4, 2020 9:06 pm
I wonder if these skis would help in a forced water landing, Sully might have made it to shore. ;)
Gravdigr • Aug 5, 2020 8:10 pm
At first, I thought "Prolly couldn't hurt.", but, I guess they might dig in. That wouldn't be good.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 6, 2020 1:49 am
I thought they might decelerate the plane a little before the fuselage hit the water.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 23, 2020 8:18 pm
This is apparently on again in Florida...
Carruthers • Aug 31, 2020 6:10 am
Large-scale military exercises of the Air Force of Ukraine took place in Rivne region.
There, in order to land Su-27 fighters, part of the Kyiv-Chop route was blocked. The military pilots of the 39th Tactical Aviation Brigade practiced the landing and take-off element on the highway.


[YOUTUBE]bXiBJq5fOhY[/YOUTUBE]

I didn't notice it at first, but the landing Su-27 slightly undershoots and straddles the barrier in the central reservation before completing the landing. :eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 1, 2020 12:47 am
Heh, catching that guardrail would have been embarrassing. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 4, 2020 12:14 am
Blast from the past...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 5, 2020 3:51 am
You can own the only flying F-82...

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or for a few dollars more...

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