Alcohol Might Be Good For You

xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2014 6:28 pm
I said might, not because my mother said everything is ok in moderation, but because I don't know if this article is true, partially true, or bullshit. However it makes some pretty bold statements from Stanton Peele's intriguing position.

Even drinking more than is recommended, without displaying clinical symptoms of problem drinking or alcohol dependence (and these are not subtle), is generally better for you than drinking nothing

The encouragement of undertaking drinking with the implication of prevention of coronary heart disease would be scientifically misleading and socially undesirable in view of the major health problem of alcoholism that already exists in the country.

The more alcohol a society consumes, the fewer alcohol-related problems and alcohol-related deaths (including cirrhosis) it has.

The overall death rates were lowest among men and women reporting about one drink daily. Mortality from all causes increased with heavier drinking, particularly among adults under age 60 with lower risk of cardiovascular disease.


I smell a little Oprah-Winfreyism here. :eyebrow:
Clodfobble • Aug 16, 2014 6:40 pm
Perhaps it is that the alcohol is still bad for you, but the positive social effects of drinking--both to the individual when they spend time out with others, as well as to the population when society is able to be open and accepting of adult behaviors--outweigh the negatives.
sexobon • Aug 16, 2014 8:55 pm
It's actually the opposite. Studies since the '80s French paradox have generally attributed intrinsic health benefits to moderate ETOH consumption (like a glass of wine a day) with some forms (e.g. red wine) being more beneficial than others. The stigma associated with social drinking here is thought to be undermining a beneficial integration of alcohol with foods in the American diet.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 16, 2014 10:46 pm
I can't comment on...
undermining a beneficial integration of alcohol

But that stigma associated with social drinking sure has fucked the club scene and live bands available to enjoy. Also killed most of the venues to learn the craft when they graduate from the garage.

I got an email tonight from a friend in Canada, telling me every time she lays off the wine for a week or so, she gets sick. ;)
Aliantha • Aug 17, 2014 12:15 am
Alcohol consumption is definitely beneficial to my husband. My consumption of course. Not his.
sexobon • Aug 17, 2014 12:39 am
I've had the book Healing Wines in my medical library since the mid '80s. It's a fun read historical overview rather than a scientific study. While doing a search by title to see if it's still available, I came across this Wikipedia article that has some of the same info: Health effects of wine. It's a good read too.
Gravdigr • Aug 17, 2014 10:59 am
Aliantha;907342 wrote:
Alcohol consumption is definitely beneficial to my husband. My consumption of course. Not his.


;)
Lola Bunny • Aug 19, 2014 1:28 pm
Aliantha;907342 wrote:
Alcohol consumption is definitely beneficial to my husband. My consumption of course. Not his.


Ha...I like this. Maybe this may apply to my family. My sister has been complaining that I seem to be angry all the time. Hmm....I think I will try out Ali's technique, hehe.
Gravdigr • Aug 19, 2014 1:56 pm
Auntiedigr did that with her husband...

...she was angry at him all the time, and one night, she picked up the bottle.

And put it upside his head.

♪ ♫...laid him out as cold as a block of ice.♪ ♫
Aliantha • Aug 19, 2014 6:31 pm
Well I don't hit my husband with the bottle. haha I never would. I don't drink to make myself happier either. It just makes me more mellow and I stop stewing on things. Lately it's just one vodka in the late arvo. Kind of like cocktail hour I guess. On the weekends I usually drink more. start earlier and finish later. Probably not the best way of dealing with things, but it will pass I assume.
orthodoc • Aug 20, 2014 11:18 pm
I find some wine makes life bearable when I have to integrate integrity with reality. No one is a one-dimensional villain; that's the case in so much of life. We're all flawed, but sometimes we need wine to live together peaceably.
Big Sarge • Aug 21, 2014 5:42 pm
I prefer alcohol to other medications. I seem to consume in larger quantities. I pour whiskey in a cup and drink it sometimes in one big guzzle. Don't judge. I am trying to be honest
Big Sarge • Aug 22, 2014 9:01 am
Uhhhhh. the next morning is hell
glatt • Aug 22, 2014 9:03 am
Good morning, Sarge.
Big Sarge • Aug 22, 2014 9:15 am
I'm trying to scan to see if I made any posts last night that were shameful. Plus I have to keep one foot on the floor because satanic forces or something are making everything move
glatt • Aug 22, 2014 9:18 am
I think you were fine.

Glad that deposition is behind you? Do you feel like it went ok?
BigV • Aug 22, 2014 12:33 pm
Big Sarge;907818 wrote:
I'm trying to scan to see if I made any posts last night that were shameful. Plus I have to keep one foot on the floor because satanic forces or something are making everything move


dude, you're fine.

good luck locking down the floor this morning.
Big Sarge • Aug 22, 2014 2:47 pm
glatt;907819 wrote:
I think you were fine.

Glad that deposition is behind you? Do you feel like it went ok?


Tough, but I survived. I despise being accused of something I didn't do. Another officer and I are accused of violating a man's rights while stopping a suicide. Also, I am accused of using excessive force because I used a Taser. It is hell to be sued for saving someone, but in the same situation I would do it again.

Also, I have my ongoing fight over being terminated. I won in the State Administrative Court hearing. Now, I am at the Federal level awaiting summary judgement or trial. My deposition in that case was 7 1/2 hours long of being raked over the coals.

I guess I need to shrug it off. They can't eat me.
glatt • Aug 22, 2014 4:27 pm
Well, I hope you win summary judgement and it goes away.

I've been around several depositions and a few trials, but never in the hot seat. I know enough to know they suck, no matter who you are or what's going on.
Undertoad • Aug 22, 2014 11:10 pm
Someday would you feel comfortable telling the stories to us here? I know it is semi-public, just out there on the Internet. Maybe you could just like edit out the obvious bits.
Big Sarge • Aug 22, 2014 11:19 pm
I have to be extremely careful in wording about the taser to stop a man from committing suicide. he earlier had been barricaded in a room with an infant. everybody survived with no injuries requiring medical treatment. all persons involved were white.

my lawsuit against the city i am able to speak about with more freedom. it has been covered in the news. i'll put together some stuff and post it
BigV • Aug 23, 2014 1:02 am
looking forward to it.