Border Security

We have got to secure our border!! Illegals are streaming across willy-nilly. They don't speak the language. Arghhhhhh!!!!! I could go on & on about this for hours.

How hard can it be to build a wall?? Hadrian did it. The Chinese did it. They had a great one in Berlin. If we can send a man to the moon 45 years ago, why can't we string a little high voltage wire?? At the very least, we could dig a ditch and throw in some gators.

This is a very, very serious problem. I seriously would like to see troops deployed on the border and we start treating this like a foreign invasion.

An invasion of unaccompanied children?

For me, it should be the drawing of lines on maps that is illegal, not the people crossing them.

Put all those kids on planes and send them to England (to learn English of course).

It's my understanding that those dirty Irish are flying directly into Anglo-America. Maybe we need DNA testing.

Eliminate the problem - wacko extremist rhetoric in Washington DC - and border problems are immediately solved. Suddenly all those people we need for the jobs and who need those jobs become productive migrant workers. No more border problems created by 'we fear others' rhetoric in Washington.

Eliminate hype and half truths, then border crime is closer to zero. Eliminate draconian drug laws, and border crimes diminishes massively. Blaming immigrants for what drug cartels do is a popular extermist sound byte.

Big Sarge;905399 wrote:

We have got to secure our border!! Illegals are streaming across willy-nilly. They don't speak the language. Arghhhhhh!!!!! I could go on & on about this for hours.

How hard can it be to build a wall?? Hadrian did it. The Chinese did it. They had a great one in Berlin. If we can send a man to the moon 45 years ago, why can't we string a little high voltage wire?? At the very least, we could dig a ditch and throw in some gators.

This is a very, very serious problem. I seriously would like to see troops deployed on the border and we start treating this like a foreign invasion.

Please go on, Sarge. I'd like to hear what the big deal is.

Face the facts:
1. They are committing a crime that is punishable by prison in many countries.
2. They are a drain on our medical and social services.
3. They are bringing diseases that were thoroughly suppressed in our country. Many of our parents don't vaccinate their children. This might come back to haunt them.
4. The Brits don't need to say anything about this. Your country is very anti-immigration. Only the Left Unity Party seems to support it.
5. If things are so bad back home, why don't they apply for asylum through the proper legal channels.
6. Please don't give me the crap about Native Americans. We conquered them and this became our homeland. In Great Britain, the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, and Normans were all conquering peoples. At least we set up reservations for ours and let them have casinos.

Finally, I know we have at least one person on here who I think crossed over illegally. I'm just about pissed enough to blow their real identity!!!

Big Sarge;905424 wrote:

Face the facts:
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2. They are a drain on our medical and social services.
3. They are bringing diseases that were thoroughly suppressed in our country. Many of our parents don't vaccinate their children. This might come back to haunt them.
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5. If things are so bad back home, why don't they apply for asylum through the proper legal channels.
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This disputes your facts with other facts.
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/high-school/top-10-myths-about-immigration

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Asians (Indians and Chinese) who come in on H-1B visas and take high paying, high skill jobs. Many stay beyond their legal period. Where's the outrage about them?

Spexxvet;905431 wrote:

This disputes your facts with other facts.
http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/high-school/top-10-myths-about-immigration

Personally, I have a bigger issue with the Asians (Indians and Chinese) who come in on H-1B visas and take high paying, high skill jobs. Many stay beyond their legal period. Where's the outrage about them?

The first thing that comes to mind is that they are productive members of society who at least crossed our borders legally. For the rest, I will have to let my blood pressure go down before I can respond

4. The Brits don't need to say anything about this. Your country is very anti-immigration. Only the Left Unity Party seems to support it.

yes, our country is very anti-immigration. An attitude I deplore and argue against. If I was on here saying I wanted tighter controls on immigration, then I wuoldn;t have a leg to stand on criticising you for your anti-immigration stance.

But I am not. I criticise my country's anti-immigration stance and I criticise your anti-immigration stance.

Tell you what though: there aren't hordes of angry, screaming, sign waving adults waiting to greet busloads of scared children over here.


Oh and the Left Unity Party is barely on the political radar of this country. There are other parties with much less rabid anti-immigration attitudes, such as the Green Party which are much more prominent.

The Left Unity Party is probably the only hope for your nation. The reason you don't have protesters is you are on a friggin island and folks have to swim to get there. You basically have no ethnic diversity with more than 87% of the populace bring white

I didn't say we don't have protesters. I said they aren't screaming at busloads of scared children.

Mind you. Unaccompanied child migrants and asylum seekers fare badly in the UK.

As i say - we treat immigrants and asylum seekers pretty badly here. Worse with each passing year as attitudes harden in the face of a constant barrage of anti-immigration press reports.

And yeah - we're an island - know what that means? Lots of coastline. Proportionate to the US there are plenty of people trying to gain access illegally. Probably because, as with the US - legal entry is difficult unless you are white and have money.

The problem as I see it, is why is their country so bad? That people are sending their children here to an uncertain future. We may need to take better care of our neighbors. Do what we tried to do in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I don't think we should be taking out such vitriol on kids.

52,000 unaccompanied kids in 8 or 9 months. At that rate, the cost of supporting them won't leave any money to start wars.

We don't seem to be looking at the "why"...we're always so reactive. I mean, we've heard the stories about why they are coming here, but I don't see us reaching out to their homelands.

In some ways it might be better if we took over their country. They don't seem to be doing a very good job of running them.

Honestly, who here is not afraid of disease? Masses of people who can't speak the language and are going to require more forms be printed in jibberish. A wall would be the kindest thing we could do

Big Sarge;905493 wrote:

In some ways it might be better if we took over their country.

We already did. We exported our gang-bangers to those nations. As a result, we improved those nations as we also did Iraq.

Here is one list of incursions.
http://www.zompist.com/latam.html

(The guy who compiled this left out a lot of drug war nonsense)

Well yeah, but other than that... and some clandestine shit... we've been like State Farm to them. :ipray:

Griff, why in the hell are you posting that link?? It has nothing to do with the danger to our country?? Our only hope is a big fence and military force with a Rules of Engagement that lets them know we are serious

Big Sarge;905493 wrote:

In some ways it might be better if we took over their country. They don't seem to be doing a very good job of running them.

Honestly, who here is not afraid of disease? Masses of people who can't speak the language and are going to require more forms be printed in jibberish. A wall would be the kindest thing we could do

Sarge, I don't have a problem with a barrier, as long as people are let in in a legal way, and it's paid for by a tax on the wealthy, who are the main ones who benefit from keeping out illegals.

What diseases are you talking about?

Spexxvet;905541 wrote:

the wealthy, who are the main ones who benefit from keeping out illegals.

Huh?

The wealthy benefit the most from having them come here. They work for pay that Americans refuse.

And the drag they put on the economy is paid for with higher insurance premiums for middle class folks and higher property taxes for schools. The wealthy don't pay disproportionately for any of that.

I'd say, on balance, the wealthy love illegal immigrants and benefit mightily from them.

I think some of you seriously have a screw loose or you just don't understand.

The gooberment will fix this, as soon as they can get them on vote rolls for their party!

glatt;905542 wrote:

Huh?

The wealthy benefit the most from having them come here. They work for pay that Americans refuse.

And the drag they put on the economy is paid for with higher insurance premiums for middle class folks and higher property taxes for schools. The wealthy don't pay disproportionately for any of that.

I'd say, on balance, the wealthy love illegal immigrants and benefit mightily from them.

Yeeeeaaaahh. I'll retract that. Don't know what I was thinking. :bonk:

Big Sarge;905548 wrote:

I think some of you seriously have a screw loose or you just don't understand.

The enlisted man sees a high nail and immediately wants to hammer it down. Officer material first learns why that nail is too high before fixing anything. Then the nail is removed, replaced, or has some other solution that means the nail never rises again.

Griff's post was 100% spot on. Too many Americans are not officer material. Do not even learn from historical mistakes. And do not even want to know that those mistakes exists.

For decades we had open borders without any problem. What changed? Officer material would first answer that question. A wall is just the naïve with a big hammer whose solution is more wars, more violence, more hate, more action, more wasted money, ... and not once learning why WE created the problem. The wall represents the same misguided rhetoric that even destroyed Iraq's standards of living. Those who first learned facts before Iraq was invaded saw nothing good from that mistake ... because officer material first learns facts before making any conclusion.

It is no accident that hate of immigrants coincided with increased wacko extremist rhetoric. When brainwashing an enlisted man, preach concepts of 'evii' them verses 'gods choosen people' us. It worked for Hitler. It worked for George Jr's wasteful massacre of 5000 American soldiers in Iraq. It even worked to convince less educated (less moderate) Americans that smoking cigarettes increased health.

So many only know/knew what Fox/Pravda tells them to think. So few remember that facts must be obtained long before having any conclusion. Only officer material uses concepts that were taught even in junior high school science.

Griff's post lasered in on the reason why we have border problems. Including myths of violent crime increases. Deadbeat wetbacks living off welfare. And other myths told to the naïve by Fox and Limbaugh so that they *know* who is 'evil' - facts be damned.

The extremist need a new issue every month to keep brainwashing their followers. Latest 'hate' is immigrants. They forget to mention why those immigrants must be illegal AND why this problem did not exist before wackos started promoting hate of Hispanics, Asians, and other immigrants. Then lesser educated Americans will hammer anything they do not like.

Evidently we have a failure to communicate!! Not once did I ever say anything about the Mexican Border. I've been talking about CANADA this whole time. Focus, people, focus! We don't want a bunch of Canucks skipping across the border all hopped up on Maple Syrup. We even have one of them who frequents this site. I think she lives in Pennsylvania and likes ground hogs. Would you want someone like that sitting beside you in a bus?? I thoroughly believe ground hog hair is all over her because of that Maple Syrup. Face it, Canadians don't even know what real baccon is!

I do feel better about the border situation in Canada since I read this:

DES MOINES, Iowa —Boy Scouts from Troop No. 111 witnessed an intense chain of events after one of their members snapped a picture of a federal officer working the border entry point.

BORDER OFFICIAL POINTS GUN AT BOY SCOUT
Marcus Boy Scout border
A central Iowa Boy Scout troop just returned from a three-week trip they will likely never forget. The Iowa Boy Scouts group said the federal agent patrolling the U.S./Canadian border pointed a loaded gun at one of the traveling scouts.
Troop Leader Jim Fox says the scout took the picture of a border officer as the group tried to re-enter the U.S. The Boy Scouts were on a three-week journey through Canada and Alaska when the incident occurred.

Fox said that he was told that taking the photo is a federal offense. The picture was later deleted.

"The agent immediately confiscated his camera, informed him he would be arrested, fined possibly $10,000, and (receive) 10 years in prison," Fox said.



Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/boy-scout-from-iowa-is-subject-of-alaska-border-dispute/27102496#ixzz38VLV1Wlg

Big Sarge;905591 wrote:

Evidently we have a failure to communicate!! Not once did I ever say anything about the Mexican Border. I've been talking about CANADA this whole time.

Problems on the Canadian border did not exist until a wacko extremist (ie Cheney) took power and hyped fear to the least educated Americans. No passports were required, No visas. Once upon a time, people commuted daily between the US and Canada will zero legal problems ... until a wacko extremists started hype fears of evil Canucks.

You would think their strange use of English meant they were all Beavers with big front teeth designed only to massacre US citizens. Everybody knows Beavers are evil Even Beaver College had to change their name to Arcadia due to fear of Canucks.

Threat comes from poorly educated Americans told by Fox and Limbaugh who to fear and when.

Did you know a second coming of Mohammed will end the US as we know it? Only time before Hannity and O'Reilly tell us to know and fear Mohammed - another evil immigrant. Even South Park can no longer warn us of the upcoming disaster. We are doomed due to too many immigrants.

Or we can learn from history to discover who create 40% of American jobs. That is not by 'pure American' extremists. Jobs (and even Nobel Prizes) come from people who are more patriotic
American: immigrants or their children. Why do so few people create a disportionate number of jobs? Because they are more patriotic.

We need more Beavers despite what Cheney says.

tw;905624 wrote:

We need more Beavers despite what Cheney says.

Amen!

As far as the southern border goes, I worry about the safety of those children. There are some faith based charities trying to help, but it looks like most of the kids are stuck in holding facilities with no place to go. Kids don't belong in jail

Big Sarge;905731 wrote:

As far as the southern border goes, I worry about the safety of those children. There are some faith based charities trying to help, but it looks like most of the kids are stuck in holding facilities with no place to go. Kids don't belong in jail

Kids also don't belong in the situation they left behind.

"In essence, the report highlights the intricate ways in which violence, extreme poverty, and the desire to reunite with family members, help shape these kids’ decision to migrate. According to the report, “crime, gang threats, or violence appear to be the strongest determinants for children’s decision to emigrate. When asked why they left their home, 59 percent of Salvadoran boys and 61 percent of Salvadoran girls list one of those factors as a reason for their emigration.” In El Salvador, the report shows, the issue of gang violence is a widespread phenomenon. According to the findings, gang violence appears as the primary cause of emigration in 11 of 14 of El Salvador’s departments. In the departments of Cuscatlán and Usulután for example, over 85 percent of children flee for this reason."

http://immigrationimpact.com/2014/07/01/new-report-helps-explain-why-central-american-children-are-leaving-their-home-countries/#sthash.0qIjjdQq.dpuf

Must be the influence of religion in El Salvador that's corrupting it. An entire country named for Jesus Christ (El Salvador = The Savior), something like 98% catholic, their role model is a guy who had his own 12 man gang and groupie whore. Just goes to show you everything's subject to interpretation.

sexobon;905821 wrote:

Must be the influence of religion in El Salvador that's corrupting it. An entire country named for Jesus Christ (El Salvador = The Savior), something like 98% catholic, their role model is a guy who had his own 12 man gang and groupie whore. Just goes to show you everything's subject to interpretation.

Maybe the kids are fleeing the priests?

That wouldn't account for the emigrating Salvadoran girls. :headshake

What, the nuns don't have flees? :rolleyes:

From here:

Man oh man, look at that. Somebody popped Joseph in the head! The violence is everywhere.

I think he might just be surprised at this virgin birth.

So can't we match up these abandoned children with the American families seeking to adopt from abroad but don't have the necessary finances/family profile?

They're brown though...nobody wants them. #onlyhalfkidding

I take it you've not heard the song "Brown Complexion."

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Here's the same person from the above video dancing with President Obama. Apparently someone likes brown.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Even as they grapple with an immigration crisis at the border, White House officials are making plans to act before November's mid-term elections to grant work permits to potentially millions of immigrants who are in this country illegally, allowing them to stay in the United States without threat of deportation, according to advocates and lawmakers in touch with the administration.

Such a large-scale move on immigration could scramble election-year politics and lead some conservative Republicans to push for impeachment proceedings against President Barack Obama, a prospect White House officials have openly discussed.

Yes indeed, someone likes brown a lot.

monster;905869 wrote:

So can't we match up these abandoned children with the American families seeking to adopt from abroad but don't have the necessary finances/family profile?

I am 100% in favor of this. Mississippi has received less than 200 and they went straight to foster families or relatives. We have no children being detained here, but our governor is trying to block anymore from coming.

Of course, he's a Republican and support for those immigrants comes mainly from the Democrats' base. His party isn't getting any votes out of it.

Fact checking the liars

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/jul/15/fact-checking-claims-immigration/

Big Sarge;905591 wrote:

Evidently we have a failure to communicate!! Not once did I ever say anything about the Mexican Border. I've been talking about CANADA this whole time. Focus, people, focus! We don't want a bunch of Canucks skipping across the border all hopped up on Maple Syrup. We even have one of them who frequents this site. I think she lives in Pennsylvania and likes ground hogs. Would you want someone like that sitting beside you in a bus?? I thoroughly believe ground hog hair is all over her because of that Maple Syrup. Face it, Canadians don't even know what real baccon is!

I do feel better about the border situation in Canada since I read this:

DES MOINES, Iowa —Boy Scouts from Troop No. 111 witnessed an intense chain of events after one of their members snapped a picture of a federal officer working the border entry point.

BORDER OFFICIAL POINTS GUN AT BOY SCOUT
Marcus Boy Scout border
A central Iowa Boy Scout troop just returned from a three-week trip they will likely never forget. The Iowa Boy Scouts group said the federal agent patrolling the U.S./Canadian border pointed a loaded gun at one of the traveling scouts.
Troop Leader Jim Fox says the scout took the picture of a border officer as the group tried to re-enter the U.S. The Boy Scouts were on a three-week journey through Canada and Alaska when the incident occurred.

Fox said that he was told that taking the photo is a federal offense. The picture was later deleted.

"The agent immediately confiscated his camera, informed him he would be arrested, fined possibly $10,000, and (receive) 10 years in prison," Fox said.



Read more: http://www.kcci.com/news/boy-scout-from-iowa-is-subject-of-alaska-border-dispute/27102496#ixzz38VLV1Wlg

You are a scamp and a scalliwag.

Spexxvet;905977 wrote:

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Canadians are here stealing jobs from us. Look at Ortho, dog gone Canuck. I bet her toes stick together from all of the maple syrup

is that a weeping angel smiley?!!!

Don't blink! Don't look away and don't blink! The image of a weeping angel has the same affect as an angel.