A Plane disappears

tw • Mar 14, 2014 7:07 pm
A plane disappears. And nobody suggests an obvious suspect. Aliens.

Aliens that are not illegal because lawmakers refuse to acknowledge their existance.
orthodoc • Mar 14, 2014 8:24 pm
You should definitely call this in - tell those bungling intelligence people that not-illegal aliens are behind the disappearance of MH370.
sexobon • Mar 14, 2014 9:19 pm
How ridiculous is that!

They should be looking for David Copperfield.
tw • Mar 14, 2014 10:09 pm
orthodoc;894674 wrote:
You should definitely call this in

Don't have to. NSA will now do it for me.
tw • Mar 16, 2014 12:06 am
Using sophisticated software, technicians have managed to extract information from the pings of Malaysia Air 370. They have released a recording of those pings:
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monster • Mar 16, 2014 12:20 am
my RickRoll alarm is going off! Which is strange, when you consider the source.....
Sundae • Mar 16, 2014 12:21 am
Tell them they can keep Glenn Miller.
Aliantha • Mar 16, 2014 2:31 am
Apparently it was a hijack. The plane flew for 7 hours after going off radar. Still cant be found though. I suppose there may be some hope now this info has been released, but maybe not much. :/ i feel so sorry for the families waiting for news.
wolf • Mar 16, 2014 1:42 pm
This is the only thing work is talking about. I think it's the first step in a terrorist plot that will involve repainting the plane and spoofing another plane's transponder and taking out the new wtc tower.
BigV • Mar 16, 2014 1:44 pm
OT

Hiya wolf!
Gravdigr • Mar 16, 2014 3:57 pm
I saw a vid a while back where some tech geeks hacked a car. They made its collision avoidance system swerve the car across a parking lot while being driven. They also made the brakes lock up, and made the vehicle accelerate, all this against the drivers' wishes.

I'm thinking this could be/might already have been done to an airplane, too.
Gravdigr • Mar 16, 2014 3:58 pm
Also, I thought about ditching the plane in the sea. A particularly smooth water landing (a la 'Miracle on the Hudson') could leave the plane intact, and then it could sink. Leaving no/very little debris.
Griff • Mar 16, 2014 4:22 pm
Fly-by-wire (FBW) is a system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface. The movements of flight controls are converted to electronic signals transmitted by wires (hence the fly-by-wire term), and flight control computers determine how to move the actuators at each control surface to provide the ordered response. The fly-by-wire system also allows automatic signals sent by the aircraft's computers to perform functions without the pilot's input, as in systems that automatically help stabilize the aircraft.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire

hmmm... hackability?
tw • Mar 16, 2014 5:26 pm
Griff;894795 wrote:
hmmm... hackability?

Do you really think people from the back woods of the Appliachians could do all that?
Gravdigr;894793 wrote:
A particularly smooth water landing could leave the plane intact, and then it could sink. Leaving no/very little debris.
An Emergency Location Transmitter would be activated and received by satellites. A landing to avert an automatic ELT transmission would be so violent as to leave parts strewn on the ocean surface.

Too many details are being withheld (some) or are so misunderstood by reporters (more) as to make any speculation equivalent to a parable. For now, better is to read your Bible for guidance.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 16, 2014 5:27 pm
Griff;894795 wrote:
hmmm... hackability?

Absolutely, designed to prevent accidental inputs, but intensional is a whole new ball game. We're already seeing what can go wrong in cars. Wait until they evolve to fly-by-wireless. :eek:
tw • Mar 16, 2014 5:40 pm
xoxoxoBruce;894801 wrote:
We're already seeing what can go wrong in cars. Wait until they evolve to fly-by-wireless.

Chevy Cobalt (third generation Vega with the same deserved repuation) was designed by business school graduates. All properly designed cars both steer and brake even with the engine turned off. Only products designed by business school graduates (also called communists) are so dumb as to need a pump to steer and will lose brakes when the engine shuts off.

None of that exists in this story. The most unreliable thing in any system is a human.
sexobon • Mar 16, 2014 5:42 pm
Looks like we're just going to have to wait until someone rings a bell and shouts "De plane! De plane!"
tw • Mar 16, 2014 5:43 pm
sexobon;894805 wrote:
Looks like we're just going to have to wait until someone rings a bell and shouts "De plane! De plane!"
Apparently, when he died, the message went with him. Leaving us only with this Fanatasy world.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 16, 2014 5:46 pm
Get the fuck out of here, the Cobalt acts like every other car with power steering and power brakes. Engine off, the steering and brakes require a lot more input, but still work. It's clueless fucking drivers that don't know what to do when it happens, and liars like you promoting false information.
tw • Mar 16, 2014 6:43 pm
xoxoxoBruce;894807 wrote:
... Cobalt acts like every other car with power steering and power brakes. Engine off, the steering and brakes require a lot more input, but still work.
Routine is to power off an engine in any car. Power brakes must work fine with full vacuum assist. Bruce would know that had he learned before posting. Steering might require a tiny more force on larger cars. And should require no additional force on small cars. Also called speed sensitive steering (discussed so many times previously). Bruce would know that had he learned before posting profanity to prove his manliness.

If a stalled engine requires more force to brake, then take it into the shop ASAP to fix a major human safety problem. These crashed Cobalts were apparently so badly designed as to lose brakes and could not be safely steered without engine assist. No properly designed small car (designed by engineers) has that problem. All cars, without exception, must have full power brakes if its engine stalls. But the emotional (not very adult) would post denials laced with profanity rather than learn how things really work.

Also looking forward for his clueless reasons why Malaysia Air 370 disappeared. Hopefully he will not repeat Mulder's X-file theories - that even claim a Cobalt would be harder to stop.
Griff • Mar 16, 2014 8:47 pm
wolf;894787 wrote:
This is the only thing work is talking about. I think it's the first step in a terrorist plot that will involve repainting the plane and spoofing another plane's transponder and taking out the new wtc tower.


hmmm...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-net-widens-as-pilots-passengers-engineers-and-crew-investigated-9195320.html
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 17, 2014 12:42 am
From the link...
Officials urged reporters not to jump to conclusions on the pilot and co-pilot, who they said had not asked to work together that day, and had not requested additional fuel for the aircraft.
They wouldn't have to be in cahoots, one or the other could have done it alone.
Carruthers • Mar 17, 2014 12:21 pm
Statement of the obvious coming up.

The aircraft has either:

(i). Crashed at sea

(ii). Crashed on land, or

(iii). Landed safely.


If a reasonably gentle ditching was accomplished, not the easiest of tasks, followed by sinking, then little evidence might be left on the surface.

If the aircraft crashed on land was any evidence recorded by a seismic observatory anywhere?

Which brings us to (iii). I would not be in the least bit surprised to find that the aeroplane had landed safely somewhere suitably remote for one reason or another. I am far from a conspiracy theorist (I lack the imagination!) but I wouldn't discount the possibility that its location is now known and the powers that be are assessing the situation and wondering what to do next. A public admission to that effect is unlikely.
Sundae • Mar 17, 2014 12:33 pm
I go with ii, personally.
Horrible outcome for the initial survivors, little hope thereafter.
BigV • Mar 17, 2014 12:53 pm
Carruthers;894822 wrote:
Statement of the obvious coming up.

The aircraft has either:

(i). Crashed at sea

(ii). Crashed on land, or

(iii). Landed safely.


If a reasonably gentle ditching was accomplished, not the easiest of tasks, followed by sinking, then little evidence might be left on the surface.

If the aircraft crashed on land was any evidence recorded by a seismic observatory anywhere?

Which brings us to (iii). I would not be in the least bit surprised to find that the aeroplane had landed safely somewhere suitably remote for one reason or another. I am far from a conspiracy theorist (I lack the imagination!) but I wouldn't discount the possibility that its location is now known and the powers that be are assessing the situation and wondering what to do next. A public admission to that effect is unlikely.


Where it **could** have landed:

www.thetakeaway.org/story/airline-security-failures-emerge-search-malaysian-airlines-flight-370/
Carruthers • Mar 17, 2014 2:46 pm
BigV;894827 wrote:
Where it **could** have landed:

www.thetakeaway.org/story/airline-security-failures-emerge-search-malaysian-airlines-flight-370/


What was at the back of my mind was the 1973 hijacking of a Swissair DC8, a PanAm B707 and a BOAC VC10 to Dawson's Field in Jordan.
It was a disused former RAF airfield dating from WW2. I just wonder if a similar move might have been made in the case of MH370.
I suspect that there are many locations that could be pressed into use above and beyond the 'formal' airports shown in your graphic.
If the aircraft is still in one piece I just pray that all on board remain safe.

Dawson's Field Hijackings.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 17, 2014 5:21 pm
From V's link...
"The other assumption of course is that the co-pilot or the pilot might well have been intent on committing suicide and taking the plane and all of its passengers with him," [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]he says.
[COLOR="red"]*[/COLOR]Chris Yates

Why bother, just fly straight down, nobody can stop you. No, if the pilot and/or copilot planned and executed this it was not suicide, they planned on landing somewhere.
Gravdigr • Mar 17, 2014 6:18 pm
tw;894800 wrote:
Do you really think people from the back woods of the Appliachians could do all that?


At least we can spell Appalachian, you fucking genius.
tw • Mar 17, 2014 10:47 pm
Gravdigr;894846 wrote:
At least we can spell Appalachian, you fucking genius.

It must be true. It was on the internet:
Appaliachian Christians
Appaliachian Ortho Center, Carlisle, PA
Potomac Appaliachian Trail Club
and home to my Alma Matter
Appaliachian Christian School, Boone NC
tw • Mar 17, 2014 10:59 pm
Carruthers;894835 wrote:
If the aircraft is still in one piece I just pray that all on board remain safe.
Deja Vu. They were "Lost" on a similar island. Some years later, we discovered they all died in the crash.

"Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth." [Sherlock Holmes] "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." [Spock]

It works in SciFi. So it must be true. First identify all possibilities.
monster • Mar 17, 2014 11:26 pm
Has anyone checked Ebay and Craigslist[Asia]?
sexobon • Mar 18, 2014 12:51 am
Has anyone even checked the passenger list to see if there was a butler on board?


tw;894875 wrote:
... and home to my Alma Matter
Appaliachian Christian School, Boone NC

I've been in and around Boone with friends who were born and raised in Drexel (near Morganton). Nice area of the country.
Griff • Mar 18, 2014 6:42 am
monster;894882 wrote:
Has anyone checked Ebay and Craigslist[Asia]?


well played
glatt • Mar 18, 2014 11:37 am
Simplest theory I've heard yet was that the plane experience a fire with smoke in the cockpit. Possibly from the front landing gear. The pilots turned to one of the closest airports, with the easiest approach, Palau Langkawi. They set the automatic pilot and then started shutting off nonessential systems in the hope that the fire was electrical and they would extinguish whatever was burning by shutting off systems. (That's why the transponder was shut off.) Trying to extinguish the fire was the top priority before radioing in with air traffic control. But the smoke knocked them out before they could make any radio transmission. The plane flew to Palau Langkawi and flew over it and out to sea where the plane ran out of gas and hit the water.

Via Business Insider.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 18, 2014 12:34 pm
Fly in the ointment, they had radio contact 8 minutes after disappearing from radar.
glatt • Mar 18, 2014 1:04 pm
Yeah, the guy came up with the theory two days ago, before the timeline was known. But he argues in the comments that there could have been an electrical fire or other problem that took out the transponder and that the radio call a few minutes later was before the pilots realized there was a problem.

I like it that he's looking for the simplest explanation to fit the facts. Mechanical problem, plane turns to nearest convenient airport, they put it on autopilot while dealing with problem, they become incapacitated and the plane just keeps flying until it can't fly any more. It fits what we know.

I think all the terror theories rely on too many leaps of reason. It's very hard to hide a plane that big from satellite view. It would have to be sitting on an airstrip, and we know where all the airstrips are and could have checked them all by now by satellite.
BigV • Mar 18, 2014 2:27 pm
You said:
tw;894800 wrote:
Do you really think people from the back woods of the [SIZE="6"]Appliachians[/SIZE] could do all that? An Emergency Location Transmitter would be activated and received by satellites. --snip


Grav said:
Gravdigr;894846 wrote:
At least we can spell [SIZE="6"]Appalachian[/SIZE], you fucking genius.


then you tried to refute him by saying:
tw;894875 wrote:
It must be true. It was on the internet:
[SIZE="6"]Appaliachian[/SIZE] Christians
[SIZE="6"]Appaliachian[/SIZE] Ortho Center, Carlisle, PA
Potomac [SIZE="6"]Appaliachian[/SIZE] Trail Club
and home to my Alma Matter
[SIZE="6"]Appaliachian[/SIZE] Christian School, Boone NC


none of which supports your point, even if you did find it on the internet. You just made a spelling mistake, no biggie. You compounded the error when you misidentified your error (four times). It is ironic that you insult the intelligence of the "people from the back woods of Appliachians (sic)" and then make a spelling mistake. It is funny that you quadrupled down on your mistake. It would be a miracle if you admitted your error. But I expect no such admission; after all, you only know how to read. :p:
Spexxvet • Mar 18, 2014 4:25 pm
It's in Pakistan, being prepared for another attack:right:
monster • Mar 18, 2014 4:45 pm
Maybe there was typo in the pilot's instructions?

I wonder what the Chinese relatives hope to achieve by threatening a hunger strike? If Malaysia doesn't care about their relatives (as they complain) why do they think it will care about them?
Beest • Mar 18, 2014 4:48 pm
glatt;894917 wrote:
It would have to be sitting on an airstrip, and we know where all the airstrips are and could have checked them all by now by satellite.


Apparently that model is capable of non airstrip landings.

here is an article from the BBC discussing 10 theories, landing on a beach or in the desert is given as a possibilty ( not necessarily in a condition to take off again), also that it turned of it's signals and shadowed another aircraft, appearing as one blip on radar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26609687
sexobon • Mar 18, 2014 5:38 pm
Maybe the airline got behind in payments on the airplane and the repo men took it (probably the ones with the fake passports).
Gravdigr • Mar 18, 2014 6:10 pm
monster;894882 wrote:
Has anyone checked Ebay and Craigslist[Asia]?


sexobon;894899 wrote:
Has anyone even checked the passenger list to see if there was a butler on board?


:lol2:
tw • Mar 18, 2014 10:21 pm
BigV;894920 wrote:
It would be a miracle if you admitted your error.

Playing minds of the emotional is fun. Some get so wacko over an intentional spelling error.

With contempt, you still failed to notice another intentional misspelling - Alma Matter. Does it matter? Well, some fish are picky about which bait they will bite on. Fishing for the opprobrious is challenging.
tw • Mar 18, 2014 10:27 pm
glatt;894917 wrote:
It's very hard to hide a plane that big from satellite view.

Thieves can strip a car in less than five minutes. How many minutes for an airplane?

Airline industry is a cut-throat business. But hundreds of throats?

Anybody need parts for a 777?
monster • Mar 18, 2014 11:05 pm
I could use a few parts for a 666, can I get a discount?
tw • Mar 18, 2014 11:13 pm
monster;894957 wrote:
I could use a few parts for a 666, can I get a discount?
Unfortunately there is a devil of a problem getting those parts. Are you willing to pay for it with your soul? Has it been discounted yet?
monster • Mar 18, 2014 11:26 pm
My sole flounders in a dark plaice. Why has Cod forced hake on me?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 19, 2014 12:41 am
Beest;894930 wrote:
Apparently that model is capable of non airstrip landings.

Absolutely, every plane can. It's when you want a non-fatal landing, or going for the brass ring of a non-fatal, plus reusable aircraft, that it gets infinitely more difficult. :lol:

When I read that article about landing on the beach, I was picturing this 777, 200 ft long by 200 ft wide, skipping down the beach like a Frisbee. Then some guys jump out high-fiving each other, and the boss says, quick, cover it with sand before somebody sees us, we'll dig it out when we're ready to leave. :facepalm: Better than the cartoon channel.
Spexxvet • Mar 19, 2014 9:10 am
If it landed, it must have landed where nobody saw it, or where somebody saw it and isn't telling.
Gravdigr • Mar 19, 2014 2:02 pm
Don't worry...

Courtney Love Thinks She's Found Missing Plane
Gravdigr • Mar 19, 2014 2:12 pm
tw;894955 wrote:
Thieves can strip a car in less than five minutes. How many minutes for an airplane?


You really are educated beyond your intelligence, aren't you?

The Boeing webpage 'Boeing 777 Facts' says there are 3,000,000 parts on a 777. I guess you could measure strip-time in minutes, but, that number would contain a fair number of zeros & commas.
monster • Mar 19, 2014 4:24 pm
You don't suspect a level of facetiousness?
tw • Mar 19, 2014 10:43 pm
Gravdigr;895001 wrote:
You really are educated beyond your intelligence, aren't you?

Gilligan proved you wrong. They built an entire residential island on but a few simple parts like sand, coconuts, and the Professor's magic glue.

Once lost on a deserted island, things become easier. Apparently a lack of government regulations makes life simpler. Even Rush says so. Why did you not kow that?

A car door has hundreds of parts. Even Gilligan, using the right bamboo, could remove it in seconds.
Aliantha • Mar 20, 2014 5:51 am
The powers that be think they have found it. Bobbing around in the indian ocean off the coast of W.A.
glatt • Mar 20, 2014 9:02 am
tw;895064 wrote:
Gilligan ...


My son discovered Gilligan's Island and watches it as much as he can, which works out to every weekday at 8PM. So I watch it with him.

The Island is a really fascinating place. The Polynesian natives have somehow picked up the Voodoo practices of Haiti and Africa, even though they are a hemisphere away. The castaways also frequently encounter mountain gorillas, which have somehow gotten half a world away from their African home and across a vast ocean to the Island. The laws of physics are such that spiders are able to grow to the size of a human. Oxygen is able to reach the tissues a foot or so inside their bodies, even though they have no lungs or blood vessels. And NASA rockets keep landing on or otherwise observing the Island. Lightning bolts on the island have the ability to make a person invisible. And perhaps most amazingly, the Island geography changes dramatically over time. Sometimes it is several days journey across, perhaps 100 kilometers or so. Other times, it is only a few hundred meters across. Sometimes, the largest cave on the island can only fit 6 of the 7 castaways in it. Other times, the largest cave can fit all 7 castaways, and a giant spider with plenty of room between them for a chase scene with a pigeon. Fascinating stuff.
Spexxvet • Mar 20, 2014 11:52 am
Gravdigr;895000 wrote:
Don't worry...

Courtney Love Thinks She's Found Missing Plane


She's hiding it in her "hangar"
monster • Mar 20, 2014 12:59 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if it's under the pile of boots, shoes, coats and backpacks in our front room.... or embedded in the snow pile in our front yard.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 20, 2014 4:20 pm
glatt;895082 wrote:
The Polynesian natives have somehow picked up the Voodoo practices of Haiti and Africa, even though they are a hemisphere away.
Those Polynesian natives commute from L.A. where they're libel to pick up anything. Ask Sheldon. :haha:
sexobon • Mar 20, 2014 5:16 pm
I haven't heard about anyone filing claims for missing or damaged luggage so ...
BigV • Mar 20, 2014 11:13 pm
sexobon;895126 wrote:
I haven't heard about anyone filing claims for missing or damaged luggage so ...


In my experience, the luggage probably made it safely to Denver.
tw • Mar 21, 2014 12:32 am
Check the logs. When St Peter was working overtime, that is when the plane crashed.
Beest • Mar 21, 2014 3:39 pm
Found.




EA's, Battlefield 4 releases a new set of maps on tuesday, featuring a red liveried jet liner crashed on a tropical island.

So hows that for viral marketing !
Gravdigr • Mar 23, 2014 3:22 pm
Found! On The Ƒucking Moon!

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monster • Apr 5, 2014 4:47 pm
They've found a signal. If it is the plane, I claim full responsibility for finding it because I poopooed the ongoing search as a complete waste.
Undertoad • Apr 5, 2014 11:43 pm
We shall put your poopoo on a platter.
Sundae • Apr 6, 2014 12:25 am
I like this thread.
TW being whimsical.
tw • Apr 6, 2014 1:53 am
Whimsical: Another in a long list of shows?

Motown The Musical
Chicago The Musical
Calculus The Musical
Wicked The Musical
Menopause The Musical
Annie The Musical
Pippin The Musical
Cannibal The Musical and
Shrek The Musical.

Was it a Broadway or (way) Off Broadway show?
Malaysia 370 - Ghost The Musical

The music track is a series of pings.