A Perpetuation of the False Dichotomy...

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[COLOR="White"]................[/COLOR][SIZE="4"]~~~ Every thought is a perversion, a perpetuation of the false dichotomy that is our reality. ~~~[/SIZE]







That was a thought I had during my last session which was Wednesday, July 31, 2013.



At the time that thought was the literal revelation of a deep insight that I was in the middle of experiencing.



Kind-of a breakthrough statement that I am still able to comprehend and understand now. Now that I am in, back into, our waking sleep that we call normal consciousness.



I can't really say for sure the exact words I used, it could well have been something more like, Every thought is a perpetuation of the false dichotomy that is our ego.


As I have mentioned before, I have been experimenting with intense, mental, physical, and emotional exercises that I put myself through about twice a week.


The exercises are geared towards peaking self-consciousness.


The exercises force me to move beyond myself.



I'm 58 years old.


When I first explored, DEEPLY explored self-consciousness, and briefly, objective consciousness, I was young. Quite young.




Things are different back then. The wind is with you.


I am certain that an individual who will be a philosopher...a real philosopher must experience SOMETHING quite deep at an early age.


You must EXPERIENCE something quite out of the ordinary narrow cone of perception.



At my age you put the book down.


You must experience the experience.






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It's quite difficult, at least for me, to consistently see myself from outside. To even remember that I can and should.

The cone is indeed narrow.

Welcome and thanks Bill.

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Bill Wiltrack;877215 wrote:

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You found that difficult! You have my sympathy: though, not my empathy.

Re the tool lyrics: I'm afraid that was just coincidence. That's my signature.... You'll find it at the bottom of all of my posts.

Oh, wait. Am I jimhelm or lumberjim?

I'm a bit of a dichotomy myself there bill... I post with both names depending on which device I'm using...

So anyway, I meant to ask.... What false dichotomy are you referring to in your quote?

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The false dichotomy where we perceive ourselves estranged from our moment-to-moment reality.



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So you're epiphany was that your ego and your id are not actually separate? That your thinking mind and your being self are really the same thing?

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I don't use the term id. I just haven't used it so I am not comfortable with using or characterizing with the term id.



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Not really. The term dichotomy means a division. A seperateness. You refer to a false one.

In other posts you've alluded to perceiving your thinking mind (ego) as being disruptive to your being self (id).

When you are in a state of empty mindedness. .. be it an emergency situation, or a deep meditative state, you become your id. The you that exists beneath the thoughts and the internal narrative. In my opinion, that is the true self. It's helpful to me at times of distress, to recognize the difference and realize that I am Ok simply because I am. To silence the worrying, fretful ego, and just focus on the present moment.

I see the dichotomy as a protection for my identity. Not false at all.

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Yeah, I see what you mean and I really like your perspective and articulation.



I think I agree with everything you stated but I want to express an important point that may distinguish our two perspectives.



There are times, many times and often throughout the day where we do not need any thoughts. Extra thoughts, so to speak.



Thoughts just roll. I think it is an important exercise, especially for individuals who wish to be, or are forced to be reflective, just to stop our thoughts.


I believe eventually, slowly, we can obtain glimpses of our being.



That to me, can, at times, be important.






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We do not disagree