Marijuana use legal, Feds will not prosecute
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WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration announced Thursday a limited pullback on federal enforcement of marijuana, saying it will not interfere with new state laws that permit recreational use of marijuana.
The Justice Department said it will not seek to veto new state laws in Colorado and Washington that legalize the recreational use of marijuana, and it will not bring federal prosecutions against dispensaries or businesses that sell small amounts of marijuana to adults.
A department official stressed, however, that marijuana remains illegal under federal law, and that U.S. prosecutors will continue to aggressively enforce the law against those who sell marijuana to minors and to criminal gangs that are involved in drug trafficking.
This is a **BIG DEAL** here in Washington. Uncertainty about how the federal authorities would respond to people engaging in activity recently deemed legal under state law but still in conflict with federal law has been responsible for stalling action by local and state authorities and by citizens interested in partaking, if you will, as customers or as entrepreneurs. With this announcement, the fear of prosecution has been eliminated, and those with plans can proceed. Not everyone, not every city or county in Washington wants legal pot consumption and commerce in their locality. Some places have instituted moratoria on these activities, but in my mind, they're simply favoring black market trade in marijuana. One of the main arguments during the election was to legalize, and tax, production and consumption of marijuana. No taxes can be collected on a local score, right?
Still, this announcement represents a further step toward the end of prohibition, and a big one at that.
They've also banned credit card companies from working with dispensaries, and warned off armored truck companies from taking them on as clients, apparently in a bid to make them attractive targets of crime, to justify cracking down on them in the future.
So, if you're hopeful, be cautiously hopeful.
...that sell small amounts of marijuana to adults.
What's a "small amount" amount to? A gram is a small amount. But, what about a gram a day for a month? A year?
Ambiguity...meh.
What's a "small amount" amount to? A gram is a small amount. But, what about a gram a day for a month? A year?
Ambiguity...meh.
Possession of up to an ounce by adults is legal. Not sure of the timeframe. How long does it take to consume an ounce of marijuana? How much does an ounce cost?
Damn, that much? That is an expensive fucking habit. Makes me glad I only binge on sushi.
In other news, my brother is apparently going to California to work on a medical marijuana farm for a month. I don't know what they're paying him, cash or in-kind, but either way I can't imagine it will be enough to make it worthwhile.
Interesting. I'll be in the Seattle area (Maple Valley or something) Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. Will have to try some. I'm one of those losers who has never smoked because it's illegal. Doc says it'd be good for my anxiety.
BTW, BigV, sushi, pho, something? I'll have wheels so I don't have to waste away in the 'burbs.
3 days/$70
he said ounce. not quarter.
christ man.
around here, a good quarter is 75-90. and ounce is 250 from a buddy.... and if you can smoke all of that in 3 days.... you're some kind of unemployed machine.
it used to take ....a person i knew very well until about 3 years ago.... about a 2.5 months to go through a QP. (1/4lb)[4oz]. and she would start around 7:30 with 2 bowls.... then maybe pack 2-3 more during the course of the night. I used to get that QP for $550, but we knew someone who knew someone pretty close to the top of the chain. We used to get 1/2lb and split it. A half a pound of buds fills up a freezer bag. It looks like a small throw pillow for your couch, but smells a LOT better.
Now, I can make a 1/4 oz last me 3-4 months. I use a one hitter though, and i'm a 2-3 hit max lightweight. I don't do it daily, either. maybe 1-2 times a week. It's SO much more enjoyable in moderation.
Clod, the hippies call the really good weed "Kind Buds"
I'm sort of curious as to how this is going to work with employee drug testing. Even though it had absolutely nothing to do with impairment, employees who tested positive for marijuana use were in trouble because it is illegal. Now that it is legal in parts of this country, how will that affect someone in Illinois who tests positive and states that he spent the weekend in Seattle?
I'm sure they can still fire you. Under previous law, you couldn't tell your employer that you tested positive because you took a vacation to Amsterdam. Peeing hot isn't illegal in and of itself. The employer has to make you sign something when you're hired that says you won't smoke pot and you consent to pee tests, then they fire you based on that.
It's still illegal but they pinky-swear not to prosecute. So, yeah, that's great. Everybody go ahead and engage in this illegal activity.
Someday, maybe not tomorrow or the next day, but some ineviatble day, they will have a need to 'take somebody down' and guess what they can use? That illegal activity that they tricked you into thinking was okay.
The dystopian nightmare society is one in which everyone is always doing something illegal. The government vans can swoop in and grab you off the street--no questions asked. You are a criminal because EVERYBODY is a criminal. It's the ultimate god-trip power that a government can have.
So, no, not impressed. This is worse than just meaningless bullshit, this is misleading and manipulative.
It's ƒucking ILLEGAL or it's NOT.
They will not "bring federal prosecutions" ???
But they reserve the right to do so.
God have mercy on your soul if they decide you are a 'terrorist' AND you ILLEGALLY smoke pot. Because it is STILL ILLEGAL.
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around here, a good quarter is 75-90. and ounce is 250 from a buddy....
Yeah, my recent information is $55 for a 1/4 of not very good stuff. When I started in, oh let's say 1975, it $15/oz
Kind of like how the cops can but don't arrest you for driving one mile per hour over the posted speed limit. What is the federal penalty for possession of one ounce of marijuana anyway? Be unimpressed, it is still a big deal announcement, a public announcement by the federal government. Despite your cynicism, you rely on the government to keep its word. That's why scandals like the nsa's extralegal spying is such a scandal in the first place. Because they do something they said they wouldn't do.
Regardless, you and I have no defense against being swept up, dope or no dope, witness stop and frisk. We just hope and expect them to respect our wishes and keep their word.
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recent study seems to show that marijuana induces remission in Crohn's disease. Not just alleviation of pain, but a significant reduction in symptoms.
I never did drugs as a youngster - I never saw the need as I am satisfied with reality. But anything that reduces the affect of this disease will probably help me live a bit longer.
I'll wait for other studies before jumping on the bandwagon. But I have a question for you all. The study says that they smoked twice a day for eight weeks. What affect, if any, is that likely to have on my cognition, ambition, etc.?
A recent study seems to show that marijuana induces remission in Crohn's disease. Not just alleviation of pain, but a significant reduction in symptoms.
I never did drugs as a youngster - I never saw the need as I am satisfied with reality. But anything that reduces the affect of this disease will probably help me live a bit longer.
I'll wait for other studies before jumping on the bandwagon. But I have a question for you all. The study says that they smoked twice a day for eight weeks. What affect, if any, is that likely to have on my cognition, ambition, etc.?
It varies from individual to individual from anywhere to 'like a glass of red wine' to 'like a handful of uppers' (the latter in my case). Keep in mind also that you will develop a resistance where the effects are diminished over time.
Similar story to your own, my 'country Uncle' (who had always thought of pot-smokers as long haired scumbag losers) was encouraged
by his doctor is rural Texas to try this 'alternative medicine' solution--to lessen some chronic symptoms he was living with. He is a major proponent now, and that's a big deal. Because he was totally anti, before.
What affect, if any, is that likely to have on my cognition, ambition, etc.?
If you're the type that just sits around anyway, you'll find it'll be easier, much easier to do that.
If you're the type that's always got something going on, always got an iron in a fire somewhere, you'll find it'll be easier to do that, too. Probably.
Everyone reacts differently, of course.
You
will have an increased appetite, especially for really good stuff, you know, junk food,
munchies, that sort of thing. I find that I cook larger, more complicated meals when I'm high.
And, oh, the plans you'll make. You might not carry any of them out, but, oh, the plans!
What is the federal penalty for possession of one ounce of marijuana anyway?
This penalty is set by state laws. In Radar Constitutional theory, it should not apply to Federal matters, unless you cross state lines, email or phone somebody about it, or (for some reason) actually attempt to open a pharmacy in a legal state. The Feds' announcement is that they won't interfere with state laws. That means nothing to you and me.
A state-by-state list of the laws is found here.It varies from individual to individual from anywhere to 'like a glass of red wine' to 'like a handful of uppers' (the latter in my case).
It also varies greatly by strain and potency. There are "uppy-buzzy anxiety-producing" strains and "couch-lock narcotic watch TV all day" strains, and the medical uses for each vary greatly. (Consult your physician -- and you will find that s/he doesn't know about that.)
Possession of a firearm during a drug offense gets the feds' attn. Minimum/mandatory 1st offense: 5 yrs/fed pen. I think you add five for each subsequent drug/firearm offense.
ETA: I almost spent several yrs in PA, but, got lucky and got put somewhere closer to home.
It also varies greatly by strain and potency. There are "uppy-buzzy anxiety-producing" strains and "couch-lock narcotic watch TV all day" strains, and the medical uses for each vary greatly. (Consult your physician -- and you will find that s/he doesn't know about that.)
There's a great video on YouTube of a LEAP (law enforcement against prohibition) explaining why the 'super potent stuff' is more prevalent on the market today. Basically, if you have prohibition and illegal traffic, the bootleggers will get more profit from a barrel of whiskey than a barrel of beer.
My recommendation is, if you're going to do the stuff, ask for 'Mexican schwag' --i.e. what pot was in the 70s.
If you do it, do it right.
Ask for the diggity-dank.
'ere...
As to ambition: you'll probably never make astronaut like you'd hoped, but you'll probably be ok.
wish ohio would ketchup. sick of 50 buck ragweed.
Increase in potency only means you need less dose to be effective. Smoke 70s mexican and you just ruin your lungs in the process. Consult your personal musician.
I've read so many 'reports' that da weed is wayyyy stronger than when i was younger. Poppycock. (Which is made of poppppppies, and cock.)
there is no sensi or indica or 'christmas weed' anymore. maybe all the med facilities have it. meanies.
Kind of like how the cops can but don't arrest you for driving one mile per hour over the posted speed limit. What is the federal penalty for possession of one ounce of marijuana anyway? Be unimpressed, it is still a big deal announcement, a public announcement by the federal government. Despite your cynicism, you rely on the government to keep its word. That's why scandals like the nsa's extralegal spying is such a scandal in the first place. Because they do something they said they wouldn't do.
Regardless, you and I have no defense against being swept up, dope or no dope, witness stop and frisk. We just hope and expect them to respect our wishes and keep their word.
Its not like the DEA is mining the NSA surveillance for drug information or people are getting fired for casual use...
well, of course the nsa's activities are enabling the dea.
and of course people are getting fired for casual use.
They're not the same thing. The first case, the dea availing themselves of information illegally obtained, which I cannot prove but wholeheartedly believe, is one illegal act. The second case, is more nuanced. There are relatively few places and cases where "casual" use is legal, and until the new laws in WA and CO were enacted, medical marijuana was the only "legal" way to use, casually or otherwise. And that was fraught with peril for the user. This change in the laws in WA and CO *and* this announcement by the feds represents a giant increase in the population and range of circumstances in which casual use can be considered "legal". That's why I said it's a big, big deal.
The whole "war on drugs" has been in place for a long time and has accreted a great deal of power and money and momentum. It won't be changed/stopped or declared victorious or defeated with any one step, only with lots of steps. Even these laws were the fruit of lots of small acts. The end of prohibition began somewhere, but haltingly. Same thing here.
I've read so many 'reports' that da weed is wayyyy stronger than when i was younger. Poppycock. (Which is made of poppppppies, and cock.)
I wonder if some of this is just "back in my day" syndrome. Maybe the 50-ish hippies are experiencing much stronger effects from the same amount of weed, but maybe that's only because they're old and their bodies can't take it like they used to. And of course the younger users weren't around back then so they can't compare either.
I never did drugs as a youngster - I never saw the need as I am satisfied with reality. But anything that reduces the affect of this disease will probably help me live a bit longer.
I'll wait for other studies before jumping on the bandwagon. But I have a question for you all. The study says that they smoked twice a day for eight weeks. What affect, if any, is that likely to have on my cognition, ambition, etc.?
Pete, if you are considering this you might look into Cannabis Oil instead of smokable pot. It is more concentrated, doesn't have any lung side effects, and most people who are experienced at extracting cannabis oil know they are making it almost exclusively for medical patients, so they breed strains that have much less THC.
Don't think so, it comes from
lab tests of seized pot.
The University of Mississippi's Potency Monitoring Project (UMPMC) tested seized marijuana from all 50 states to determine the percentage of THC, the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.
The average potency of all marijuana in the US, according to the UMPMC's Dec. 2008 – Mar. 2009 quarterly report, was 8.52% (5.62% domestic and 9.57% nondomestic).
The highest tested sample had 22.04% THC (domestic) and 27.30% THC (nondomestic). The highest tested sample ever tested between 1975 and 2009 had 33.12% THC (domestic) and 37.20% THC (nondomestic).
For comparison, the national average of marijuana's THC content in 1978 was 1.37%, in 1988 it was 3.59%, in 1998 4.43%, and in 2008 8.49%.
Wow, that's a hell of an increase. You'd have to smoke more than 6 joints in 1978 to equal one joint today.
@Clod. Thanks. That's an excellent idea.
I wonder if some of this is just "back in my day" syndrome. Maybe the 50-ish hippies are experiencing much stronger effects from the same amount of weed, but maybe that's only because they're old and their bodies can't take it like they used to. And of course the younger users weren't around back then so they can't compare either.
Ha! Great point! :)
Poppycock. No legal buying until Dec. 31.
http://lcb.wa.gov/marijuana/faqs_i-502Hi everyone I am new here. I found this topic being discussed and wanted to share what I have started to help in this movement. I built this site:
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We post news, high quality strain pictures, and so much more on our Facebook page:
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This is a shout out to try and get the word out. Thank you to anyone who takes a few minutes to look and those who get involved.
Don't think so, it comes from lab tests of seized pot.
I wonder what strain had the above 30%. Probably a Kush, perhaps OG Kush or White Widow. Anyone know exactly?
Hi everyone I am new here. I found this topic being discussed and wanted to share what I have started to help in this movement. I built this site:
www.medicalmarijuanastore.org to help people locate medicine and qualified doctors.
We post news, high quality strain pictures, and so much more on our Facebook page:
www.facebook.com/mms.hangout
This is a shout out to try and get the word out. Thank you to anyone who takes a few minutes to look and those who get involved.
Welcome to the cellar MMS.
I'm interested in this subject, and I'll be following developments here and in the news.
Just a note about the cellar, there's a pretty low tolerance here for self promotion like your links in your initial post. Factual on point citations are always welcome, and that appears to be why yours were permitted. Thanks for the info. Other than that, I think you'll find the discussion here *very* lightly moderated.
Again, welcome.
They don't use "brand" names, they separate all samples into type of Cannabis... Ditch Weed, Marijuana, Sinsemilla, or Thai Stick. Then they use a sample descriptor... Buds, Kilobricks, Loose leaf, and Loose other. That's about it for classifying.
Of course they also separate out and record separately Hashish and Hash Oil.
I wonder if those in WA and CO will be seeing TV and internet ads,
and if so, what the themes will be...
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Of course, the ads will only come to those on FB, Google, etc.,
who have done the appropriate postings and searches
A must read
This cannabinoid is known as Cannabidiol (CBD), and is the second most abundant cannabinoid in cannabis. Research done by G.W. Pharmaceuticals suggests that CBD could be used for treating symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune diseases, diabetes, nausea, bowel disorders, and many other hard-to-control side effects. According to an article from Projectcbd.com, CBD has even demonstrated neuroprotective effects, and its anti-cancer potential is currently being explored.
Unfortunately most commercially available indica strains have been selected and bred for their high levels of THC for the past 20-30 years. This has resulted in CBD being nearly bred out of the plant — most strains contain less than 1% CBD
I wonder if those in WA and CO will be seeing TV and internet ads,
and if so, what the themes will be...
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Of course, the ads will only come to those on FB, Google, etc.,
who have done the appropriate postings and searches
http://www.hark.com/clips/vxmjbybzgp-bad-ass-weedThat's interesting Spexx. Crohn's is autoimmune.
A recent study seems to show that marijuana induces remission in Crohn's disease. Not just alleviation of pain, but a significant reduction in symptoms.
I never did drugs as a youngster - I never saw the need as I am satisfied with reality. But anything that reduces the affect of this disease will probably help me live a bit longer.
I'll wait for other studies before jumping on the bandwagon. But I have a question for you all. The study says that they smoked twice a day for eight weeks. What affect, if any, is that likely to have on my cognition, ambition, etc.?
I discovered this "cure" by accident in 1989, totally changed my life, no pain or fatigue and I was able to live a normal life since. After almost 25 years of smoking I have only missed a few days of work, going several years with sick time left over. I don't feel "dumb" or "lazy" but that could be because I never smoked more than I absolutely needed to. Marijuana for me had been less harmful than the drugs I got from big pharma, mainly opiates and steroids.
Obama should reschedule Marijuana, and then claim the benefits for Obamacare.
…I don't feel "dumb" or "lazy" but that could be because I never smoked more than I absolutely needed to.
Crohn's or UC?
How much did it take to get your symptoms under control?
I think that this is a good reason for decriminalization. If we look at alcohol prohibition, it was doomed to failure because a broad segment of the population ignored it, including at least one sitting president. I do not believe that the laws against alcohol were anywhere near as damaging as those against marijauna. which can affect the entire future of a young adult. Add to that drug testing, which can stigmatize individuals, sometimes by error. I really believe that if drug laws were blindly enforced, with no regard for race, social position, wealth, decriminalization would have occurred long ago.
So we now have a dual system where middle and upper class white kids are treated differently, including having the ability to experiment on college campuses relatively free from police oversight.
I'm still amazed at the number of conservatives who bitch about $5000 per year worth of welfare or other social benefits but are ok with $20000 to $30000 in per capita prison costs.
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interesting that my employer (Colorado-based, just to be on-topic) has a drugs/alcohol policy based on the fact that these are intoxicants therefore making you a fucking menace in the workplace, not specifically because they're illegal although that is added as an afterthought.
that covers opiates so whether you're prescribed codeine for post-surgery analgesia or you're a street heroin jacking-up junkie, if you test positive on a random mandatory drug test you're in the shit.
quite right too for me, I don't want to trust my safety on a hazardous work site to some space cadet, legal or not.
that said, the so called 'war on drugs' was lost since even the repeal of the Volstead Act but the only reason for governments across the world and across the political divide to keep maintaining this fiction is to have a really neat way of imposing draconian suppression measures on a law-abiding but free-spirited population
Because the Lion's share of federal revenue came from alcohol, before the Volstead Act could be passed the Personal Income Tax had to be instituted to take up the slack. Of course when prohibition was repealed the Income Tax wasn't.
I wonder just how long the Fed and States can resist the lure of tax revenues of biblical proportions. Were talking 20% in CO.
Stores opened a couple minutes ago, at High Noon. Get it?
So far, no riots over Doritos or Domino's. The price is expected to be in the $20 to 30 per gram range, approximately double the price of medicinal Marijuana.
$20 to 30 per gram range
High weigh robbery!
...price is expected to be in the $20 to 30 per gram range...
That better be some
good fucking herb.
It'll never work, potheads ain't gonna pay crazy money for weed just because it's legal.
Maybe they're high.
I bet it will. Some times, people perceive value if the price is higher... Also the selection will be better. Regardless, they'll make most of their profits in accessories.
This worked out to $8.50/gram, $60/qtr oz, back in April. Can't wait til fall.:drool:
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It'll never work
I bet it will.
Re: Legal pot not working....yeah, I think that was a joke.
Had to be.
Oh, people around here will pay 20-30 a gram, they're stupid, but, they'll pay it.
They won't get as high as me...but, they can pay it.
I'll be over here on the couch, watchin porn an eatin Cheetos.
I bet it will. Some times, people perceive value if the price is higher...
Sadly true with so many products. :(