Boston Marathon explosions
Two explosions rocked the finish line of the Boston Marathon on Monday, witnesses told NBC News.
Will Ritter, the spokesman for a Massachusetts Senate candidate, said that he heard what sounded like two explosions and saw smoke rising near the Boston Public Library. He said that he saw three fire engines and police running to the site.
Ritter said that people hit the ground.
Janet Wu, a reporter for NBC affiliate WHDH, told NBC News that she heard two loud explosions.
Boston police confirmed there was an incident but did not immediately give details. Police, fire and medical technicians were responding.
link I'll be following this story. If it is politically motivated, will we end up living like the Israelis - where you have to be worried about bombs at every large event?
I know a handful of people who were running it. Hoping they and their friends and family spectating are safe.
Yeah, that jogging shit ain't looking so healthy now, is it?
[SIZE="1"]Too soon?[/SIZE]
:evil2:
I know a handful of people who were running it. Hoping they and their friends and family spectating are safe.
Serious dittoes.
Yeah, that jogging shit ain't looking so healthy now, is it?
[SIZE=1]Too soon?[/SIZE]
:evil2:
Jim Fixx agrees.
Its stuff like this that makes me hate the humans. I know that's the root of the problem but people are suck.
...will we end up living like the Israelis...
I won't.
I'll be following this story. If it is politically motivated, will we end up living like the Israelis - where you have to be worried about bombs at every large event?
I was really struck by this comment. I kind of assumed that you guys already would be hyper alert to terrorism. I mean, thinking about it I suppose it makes sense that you wouldn't, given how few such attacks there have been. But the shadow of 9/11 and the subsequent war on terror has been so vast I just assumed you'd be on the alert.*
We've had nothing so enormous as the 9/11 attacks over here, but the threat of smaller islamic terrorist attacks pretty much seamlessly took over from the previous fear of IRA bombs. The idea that major public events might be a focus for terrorist attacks would seem a natural consideration. Not that you necessarily expect it: it's pretty rare. But you always allow for it.
Fucking appalling though. Just been watching the news.
* I dont mean alert in a security sense: I'm sure the local police and emergency services are as aware and alert as any others. But in the sense of living 'like the Israelis' with a sense of that possibility around public events.
Things I have read from various news sources:
There were two explosions at the marathon, and a third at the JFK Library. In addition, they have found at least two more devices that did not detonate, presumably because one of the first actions taken was to shut down all cell service in the city, making remote detonation by cellphone impossible.
NY Post is reporting that at least one Saudi national has been identified as a suspect.
Our good friends the Saudis.
Again.
Things I have read from various news sources:
There were two explosions at the marathon, and a third at the JFK Library.
In addition, they have found at least two more devices that did not detonate,
[COLOR="DarkSlateGray"]presumably because one of the first actions taken
was to shut down all cell service in the city,[/COLOR]
making remote detonation by cellphone impossible.
NY Post is reporting that at least one Saudi national has been identified as a suspect.
AP is reporting this:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Cell phone companies say service is operating in the Boston area,
but with heavy traffic following of the explosions at the Boston Marathon.
A law enforcement official, citing an intelligence briefing,
said cell phone service had been shut down Monday in the Boston area
to prevent any potential remote detonations of explosives.
[COLOR="DarkRed"]But officials with Verizon Wireless and Sprint Nextel said there had been no such requests.
Sprint spokeswoman Crystal Davis said:
"Minus some mild call blocking on our Boston network due to
increased traffic, our service is operating normally."
[/COLOR]
I was really struck by this comment. I kind of assumed that you guys already would be hyper alert to terrorism. I mean, thinking about it I suppose it makes sense that you wouldn't, given how few such attacks there have been. But the shadow of 9/11 and the subsequent war on terror has been so vast I just assumed you'd be on the alert.*
We've had nothing so enormous as the 9/11 attacks over here, but the threat of smaller islamic terrorist attacks pretty much seamlessly took over from the previous fear of IRA bombs. The idea that major public events might be a focus for terrorist attacks would seem a natural consideration. Not that you necessarily expect it: it's pretty rare. But you always allow for it.
Fucking appalling though. Just been watching the news.
* I dont mean alert in a security sense: I'm sure the local police and emergency services are as aware and alert as any others. But in the sense of living 'like the Israelis' with a sense of that possibility around public events.
Was going to say the same thing :(
NY Post is reporting that at least one Saudi national has been identified as a suspect.
Guess its time to bomb Iran then.
Ummm.... that's from the NY Post
- not to be confused with the NY Times or the Washington Post
I think Americans in general are certainly hyper-sensitive to terrorist attacks, foreign and domestic. However, we're also of the mindset that, "Hey, fuck you! You don't try and fuck with my parade! Now we're gonna make an even bigger parade...and walk around naked too!"
NY Post is reporting that at least one Saudi national has been identified as a suspect.
One Saudi was detained because some white American saw this foreign looking guy, heard an explosion. and then the Saudi was running with everyone else. He was not white American. So he must be suspicious.
How would you protect from massacres when massacres (by Timothy McViegh, Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier, by Harris and Klebold, by Eric Rudolph, and by Adam and Nancy Lanza) were conducted or assisted only by American citizens. Most 'so called' terrorism is by American citizens. And still some just know it must have been that Saudi because he looks different; therefore must be evil.
Immediately after Oklahoma City, everyone was looking for Arabs because emotion (rather than what adults use) justified the reasoning.
Who are the most likely suspects? American citizens. Especially in a country where opinion based in no facts (also called hate) publicly says, "we want America to fail". Hate promoted by extremism inspires the most dangerous suspects - American citizens.
Where did Eric Rudolph get money and support while 'living in the woods for five years without any job'? Where did he get the 250 pounds of dynamite that he had stashed in NC woods? Oh. An evil Saddam or Santa Claus (another foreigner) must have provided it. Nonsense. The greatest threat to Americans are American citizens. Who, in great numbers, even praised Rudolph for the Altanta Olympics bombing.
Greatest threat is an American citizen brainwashed by extremists rhetoric. Who only believe the first thing he is told. Who still thinks like a child.
You're right, lets bomb Korea.
You're right, lets bomb Korea.
It easier to bomb those who are a threat to no one. We attacked Saddam. Use the same reasoning. Bomb the North Pole. Santa Claus is a threat to no one. And does not have nukes.
Oh. Wait. We don't have a president who is destroying the economy. And needs a war to increase his popularity. Never mind.
Putting the finger on foreign fiends who decidedly did the dastardly deed sounds like a job for the Boston Tea Party!
We don't have a president who is destroying the economy? Are you being sarcastic or serious?
He's not. He can't. Only the slimy fuckers in congress can do that.
Forgot, the Prez is basically Phil Hartman. Smarmy dickhead in inconsequential comedy sketches.
Is it coincidental that a lot of legs were destroyed to the point of amputation? Or, do bombings usually involve a lot of people losing legs?
I'm most struck by the idea of so many people being turned so abruptly from marathon fans and/or runners into amputees.
I know a handful of people who were running it. Hoping they and their friends and family spectating are safe.
I was talking to one of my friends who used to run the Boston marathon and he told me that one of his friends finished about two minutes before the explosion...
This is a terrible thing to have happened. It hit home for me because i have a cousin who lives in Boston with his family. My first reaction was to worry about their safety, then my rational mind reminded me that for one thing, neither he nor his wife are runners, and with two small kids, it's highly unlikely that they'd have spectating. We here still haven't been able to get through, but we're assuming that no news is good news simply because if they'd been harmed in any way, they would have called home.
It's just shocking.
Just a couple of thoughts ...
Bastards, whoever they were.
But let's actually investigate rather than jumping to conclusions.
They could have killed a lot more people, and caused a bigger panic, if they had bombed the start of the Marathon, not the finish.
Not meaning to belittle the experiences of those affected, but Monday in Iraq saw a bombing wave that killed 55 and wounded several hundred. It was the deadliest day in almost a month.
The Boston bombings are something your society can surely survive. So, like, be chill, America, act all cool and stuff, don't play this up too much, but, like, still nail whoever did it.
Yeah, and in the last day or two we killed 30 civilians at a wedding party or some such in Afghanistan. Bad intel or an accident, I don't recall.
All I know is that this happened. Here. A Marathon is not war. A Marathon is people doing something for themself: to feel better, to achieve a goal, to work towards something...and the loved ones who were so proud of their achievement.
My sister-in-law ran the Chicago Marathon this year. First time ever. She decided to do it, and so she did. My brother had text by text updates and was able to give her a quick kiss about halfway, and meet her at the finish line. She said the last 2 miles were the hardest thing ever (you don't train the entire 26.2 at all) and she was crying and happy and with the love of her life when she finished. I also followed along on the GPS thing they had set up.
To think that this could have happened there (because it can happen anywhere) and to think how horrifying and devastating it was to those who were there in Boston yesterday...it's hard to fathom. 3 dead, one 8 year old boy, lost limbs, probably some PTSD coming along. I think there may be more fatalities when all is said and done, considering how many are in critical condition.
So I don't find the jokes particularly funny. And I don't appreciate using this as an opportunity to argue about Obama vs Bush vs War vs Fault vs...who the fuck cares right now?
We're so insulated. It happened in Boston. Not down the street from you. They weren't your loved ones, probably. But they were someone's loved ones. What makes me an ineffectual corporate rat also makes me a caring compassionate person. And I am more than disgusted with the evil crap in this world.
Expecting the typicals flames from the typical flamer, but I won't apologize for having cried over such a bullshit cowardly act of murder.
edit: I heard a couple jokes in the office as the news was going around. That's what I was talking about. It reminds me of 9/11 when I had to go work lunch at the Country Club and some asshole came in off the course and wanted to know who we pissed off now, as he chuckled and drank his beer. :(
I think Americans in general are certainly hyper-sensitive to terrorist attacks, foreign and domestic. However, we're also of the mindset that, "Hey, fuck you! You don't try and fuck with my parade! Now we're gonna make an even bigger parade...and walk around naked too!"
No, no they're not. Unless by sensitive you mean able to be quickly outraged after an event rather than alert to prevent them? But they're hyper-dramatic once they've happened.
Sadly, even airport security still leaves a lot to be desired, never mind public awareness (which means watching for suspicious things in large crowds, not knowing exactly what you were doing the moment it happened and posting on facebook about how much you are praying....) .
Yes, there are now sniffer machines and x-ray machines and metal detectors and guards with even more guns and scary dogs at the airports.... and you can't wear shoes or take knitting needles on a plane.......... but two weeks ago at Metro Detroit there were STILL piles of unattended bags everywhere.
I grew up undwr the threat of IRA attacks and weekly bomb scare and let me tell you the American public is NOT "hyper-sensitive"
And the immediate assumption is foreign terrorism? Who recently shot up a primary schoool, a movie theater, a place of worship......? And who bombed Oklahoma City?
Agreed, monster. I think we were more hyper-sensitive during the cold war.
But, I also heard they had police officers everywhere. Every so many yards or something.
who also need some alertness training.... :(
I am really, really horrified by this event, but I am equally horrified about the reaction. Stop being so goddamn arrogant. It can happen ANYWHERE for ANY REASON. All it takes is one nutjob with know-how or guns who thinks they have a grievance. There's an unending supply of them. Let's focus on not giving them the opportunity[COLOR="LemonChiffon"] (and maybe fewer "reasons")[/COLOR]
So, like, be chill, America, act all cool and stuff, don't play this up too much, but, like, still nail whoever did it.
This.
The point of terrorism is to make us hurt ourselves by over-reacting to it. We and our loved ones are much more likely to die by choking to death than as the result of a terrorist attack. Let law enforcement and government agents figure out who did this and bring them to justice. And keep calm and carry on. We'll be fine.
We don't need to rush into another two wars in the mideast over this like we did after 9/11.
I don't advocate war either. And yes, 'we'll' be fine. But some of 'we' are not fine today, and that is my focus.
On 9/11 someone probably also choked to death in Peoria. A woman probably died in childbirth somewhere in Seattle. They were more likely to be dead from those things than from a terrorist attack. Great. But I might focus on the ~3000 who were dead as the result of an act of terror.
I'm not quite ready to walk down the street whistling as if I'm trying to avoid the cornfield.
who also need some alertness training.... :(
I am really, really horrified by this event, but I am equally horrified about the reaction.
Stop being so goddamn arrogant. It can happen ANYWHERE for ANY REASON.
All it takes is one nutjob with know-how or guns who thinks they have a grievance.
There's an unending supply of them.
Let's focus on not giving them the opportunity[COLOR="LemonChiffon"] (and maybe fewer "reasons")[/COLOR]
Oregon has it's share of "Wile E Coyote's and
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IdahoOnYourSide
Mike Sharp
Apr. 15, 2013
Two Ontario men injured in detonation of homemade explosives, police investigate
In a remote area near Vale, Ore., two men were dealt life-threatening injuries
after their homemade explosives detonated - eventually landing them in hospitals in Portland and Boise.
"They were able to summon assistance after the explosion from a relative who
then transported them in their vehicle to Saint Alphonsus," says Ontario, Ore. Police Chief Mark Alexander.
But, the Ontario neighbors of the two men say, it's not the remote scene in the desert that worries them the most.
“(An) officer comes to the door and tells me that the neighbor had been making bombs
and there were several bomb materials inside the home," says next-door-neighbor Nikina Williamson.
Police evacuated Williamson’s home, finding even more explosives where the men lived
-- a home that happens to be right next door to a daycare,
and just feet away from where small children play.
<snip>
Forgot, the Prez is basically Phil Hartman. Smarmy dickhead in inconsequential comedy sketches.
We know from facts and history that an attack is most likely performed by one who entertains his emotions - like a child. That post demonstrates thoughts typically found and avocated in terrorist circles. He jiust knows because rhetoric (the political agenda) tells him what to know. And then posts disparaging comments to prove his ‘knowledge‘.
An adult who is an adult, instead, replies with informed reasoning.
Flint demonstrates hate actively promoted by Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and others. Same hate feared a mosque in lower Manhattan. And makes likely more events such as Boston, Atlanta, Arizona, and Sandy Hook.
No adult who thinks like an adult would do that act. That is the point. 'Left verses right' is another bogeyman to inspire adults to act like children. Who would even insult a President who is undoing economic, political, and international damage created by wacko extremists rhetoric.
Terrorists are typically the worst example of extremists. Terrorism is performed by extremists who only know what they were told to believe. Who get angry and take revenge when others (moderates) instead use their prefrontal cortex. Domestic extremists, brainwashed in the hate rhetoric of Limbaugh and other right wing extremists, are a most likely suspect. Domestic terrorists need bogeymen to justify their hate and resulting actions.
A responsible post would have addressed reasons why terrorists are inspired to be harmful and destructive. Why this Boston event occurred. But that means posting as a moderate without profanity. And without cheap shots.
Limbaugh and even religious extremists (similar type people) preach something completely different. Called hate.
Ummm.... that's from the NY Post
- not to be confused with the NY Times or the Washington Post
International Business Times
Ellen Killoran
April 16 2013 3:54 PM
One Day After Boston Bombing, New York Post Has Not Retracted
Presumably Incorrect Reports Of Death Toll And Saudi Suspect
On Monday afternoon, the New York Post published a dramatic report
that was widely aggregated and shared by thousands:
The Rupert Murdoch-owned tabloid claimed that 12 people were killed by explosions
at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, and that a suspect
-- a Saudi Arabian male -- was being questioned at a Boston hospital.
At the time of the report, Boston Police officials were reporting a death toll of two
(which has since been raised to three); the Post was the first to report that any suspects were in custody.
As the story began to circulate widely on Twitter
-- with little corroboration from more-reputable news sources -- skepticism grew. <snip>
But the Post refused to acknowledge any errors in reporting,
even after a spokesperson for the Boston Police Department told
Talking Points Memo that no suspects had been taken into custody.
"Honestly, I don't know where they're getting their information from,
but it didn't come from us," the spokesperson said.
<snip>
From my readings of various news articles, a Saudi student has now been exonerated.
He was a runner in the marathon... injured by the 1st bomb...
and was tackled by a bystander who "thought he was acting suspiciously".
The CBS TV reporter on the scene, about 4:30 or so, mentioned the guy being tackled because he was running away from the blast, quickly pointing out so was everyone else. He said the guy was cooperative will the police and not arrested. Just a case of an over zealous bystander.
Ummm.... that's from the NY Post
- not to be confused with the NY Times or the Washington Post
Yeah, they lie sometimes.
Wow...I had never heard of them getting the Titanic wrong. Awesome find!
Forgot, the Prez is basically Phil Hartman. Smarmy dickhead in inconsequential comedy sketches.
... an attack is most likely performed by one who entertains his emotions - like a child. ... posts disparaging comments to prove his ‘knowledge‘. ... [tw] demonstrates hate actively promoted by [who cares] ... No adult who thinks like an adult would do that act. ... 'Left verses right' is another bogeyman to inspire adults to act like children. Who would even insult a President ...
Not a President, THE President. It's a position, not a person. I was referring to the position.
But as a thought experiment, let's assume I was disparaging W. Bush. What do we see happen then? There's tw, on the hate-monger bandwagon, waving that 'left versus right' flag. Ironic, huh? Hold a mirror up to yourself.
Oh, and watch your fucking mouth when speaking to a grown man. I guarantee you don't do that shit in real life, or by now you would have had your fucking face smashed in. DESERVEDLY.
How's that for fodder--now lay into me.
Do you jack off to your own posts, tw?
Oh, wait, is it only tw who is allowed to let his childish emotions get the better of him--are us lesser beings afforded the same luxury? Let's see. I expect tw will now log in and apologize for his comments, and own up to his shortcomings..? Don't hold your breath.
In short: fuck off, tw.
Aaaaaaaannnddd...we're back!
I knew the Cellar had an overabundance of kindness for a while. It was bound to end. I haven't heard 'fuck off' in a longggggggg time.
Nothing like a bunch of bombs to get things going again. :cool:
From Bruce's link. I like.
Guy says he bought the domain to keep some kook from buying it. Good job, man.
http://bostonmarathonconspiracy.com/The CBS TV reporter on the scene, about 4:30 or so, mentioned the guy being tackled because he was running away from the blast, quickly pointing out so was everyone else. He said the guy was cooperative will the police and not arrested. Just a case of an over zealous bystander.
Just a case of a xenophobic, idiotic bigot maybe.
I keep trying to figure out how we're going to ban backpacks, and the ever pesky 'rolling bookbags' that rude lazy people like to hang out about 5 feet behind them so everyone trips over them, from campus.
Prime real estate for death and destruction, right here.
"Oh look, a bookbag!"
"Yeah, there're about 20,000 of them on campus right now."
It's the pressure cooker background check I'm not looking forward to.
Not a President, THE President. It's a position, not a person. I was referring to the position.
I dunno, Flint. I read it as a criticism of Obama too. I can see what you meant, now. But it didn't read that way in my head.
And Flint? Don't feed the trolls.
First, one must identify those who, while not exactly trolls, often engage in trolling behavior. When they can be bothered.
Ahem. :cool:
A troll is one who adds little or nothing to the conversation, but still manages to stir up shit.
Right.
In whose opinion?
Because I might say that, in this instance, there is more than one troll. I might even say there was only one troll, and it might not be the troll you want.
We Are The Fucking World
We Are the Fucking Children...
Bombs and Death: bringing people closer together since 1945.
*shrug*
You know why forums always have trolls? Because the internet is made of cats. Ever seen a cat sitting atop a tall fence and winding up the frantic dog below?
Now: how bout everyone settles down and stops investing this thread with way too much importance. It's a conversation in a pub and sometimes the tone drifts downwards even though everyone is genuinely moved by the enormity of events.
If the internet is made of cats then why aren't there more hairballs? Who's going to pay for the catnip? I don't want the litter box in the house, let them go outside.
The dogs eat the hairballs.
Watching the Jodi Arias trial. In between commercials and testimony, HLN just ran a blurb indicating that there is a suspect. No further details released.
Hey, you know she has a friend writing tweets for her? They're kinda funny, actually.
Well, the Enquirer has broken stories, so...
In short: fuck off, tw.
An example of a mindset that justifies bombing public events and shooting up schools.
We will never ban backpacks on streets when every store and hotel empties onto those streets. Backpacks, plastic bags, etc are carried by friends holding clothes and materials for runners.
A solution starts, instead, by identifying a problem. Flint demonstrates why we have a problem and how widespread that hate is. Hate justifies extremism and violence. Profanity and insults to justify hate are a characteristic. Hate is a problem that can only increase if more Americans believe Limbaugh style rhetoric rather than think reasonable and informed.
Also characteristic of extremism is the bogeyman. Hate needs bogeymen to recruit more disciples - adults who are still children. Targeted insults are a recruitment tool.
That same rhetoric inspires others to more guns, build bombs, be emotional, and even believe this propaganda:
The vast majority of American people DO NOT want freedom. They DO NOT want independence. They DO NOT want control over their own lives. They DO NOT want to make meaningful choices for their lives. They DO NOT want to take any risk.
Clearly "The vast majority of American people" are evil.
No way around what inspires hate. Characterized by personal attacks that are only insults, cheapshots, and based in childish emotion. Quoted above is another example of hate; devoid of any useful contribution to society.
Identify the problem before implementing a solution. Cited are trends. Yet to be learned are details of this particular attacker. We know what inspires them. History says extremist rhetoric and the associated insults encourage violence. Especially when others do not speak out against rhetoric based only in hate. Hate that comes from being told how to think by Limbaugh types rather than learn how the world really works.
we don't have a thread covering the Ricin envelopes mailed to congress and the President, so I figured I'd post this here.
They think they know who sent those poison envelopes. An Elvis impersonator from Mississippi. Arrested him.
His Flickr page is still up, if you feel like gawking at his pictures from gigs and events. Weird thing is that the page views of the images are so low still. Nobody is looking.
Probably a good thing if he doesn't get his fifteen minutes of fame.
I completely agree with you, but when I saw mention of his online life in a news article, I had to go look. There isn't even anything interesting there.
photos of the suspects:
http://imgur.com/a/vP0GZwe don't have a thread covering the Ricin envelopes mailed to congress and the President, so I figured I'd post this here.
I was discussing him without citing his name. He had a long history of preaching government conspiracies. IOW he had a long history of 'knowing' what extremists rhetoric taught. He knew without first learning facts. He knew only the first thing he was told.
An example of why a greatest threat to American citizens is citizens educated in extremist rhetoric. As Timothy McVeigh demonstrated so long ago.
Only moderates and extremists exist. If you learn that, then extremists lose their bogeyman. Extremists need that bogeyman to justify rhetoric and hate.
Only moderates and extremists exist.
I disagree, there's a third group.
It's large, it's the most dangerous, it has the power to destroy everything we hold dear.
It's the apathetics, who don't know, don't vote, don't care, can't be bothered... hey look, a bird.
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Now, somebody knows who these bastards are...
It may be tough to identify them since they used so much makeup to disguise the fact they're North Korean.
Authorities are telling the ENTIRE CITY OF BOSTON to stay inside.
My God Almighty... The authorities in this country have gone crazy.
What more could a terror bomber ask for than this ?
Well, the dude's running around, his brother tried to explode himself and a bunch of cops, and killed a cop in the process.
You can be damn sure I'd want my city to shut down too.
Short of my family and food and beer and cigarettes, I don't see any need to be running around with my head held high. (This was the levity part.)
You don't have to like these attacks on our freedom and we can all say how strong we are and we ain't afraid, and MERKINS don't cater to pussy bomb boys..but honestly? If I were there, I would be holed up in my apartment for a while. If I die I don't want it to be at the hands of some goddamn subhuman with fucking religious or penis issues, for no freaking reason. Death by dickhead is far worse to me than a few days hiding. Sorry. Even Anne Frank hid.
Anyway, yesterday I did see an unattended bookbag. It was jammed between a seat in the waiting area and a shelf of paperwork. A week ago I'd have thought nothing of it. I looked around and there were 3 young students not at all close to the bookbag, and none of them were carrying a bookbag. It was surreal. 3 people, one bookbag far away from them. If one had set his down why don't the other 'students' have bookbags? And it wasn't a flowery decorated studenty looking bookbag. It was like industrial, and filled HUGE.
Yeah, paranoia, I gots it. But who can blame me? I just asked the students if the bookbag was theirs and a guy claimed it. Problem solved.
And I hope they get the other guy alive. Don't let the fucker off the hook. Let him go get his ass beat every single day in an American prison. Fucking fuckers.
I'm angry.
huh?
I think it's a bit of an over reaction to shut down the airspace over Boston. I can understand that they want to shut down transportation to keep the guy from getting away, but do they really think he's going to be able to bring down an aircraft that's flying over with a pressure cooker?
But what if he DID? Huh? Huh? What if he DID? How would you feel then? ;)
I know my opinion isn't popular, but I think for a couple days we really can't be 'too' safe.
Also, you can't put too much water in a nuclear reactor.
Your subhuman penis has issues,
NEXT on Montel Williams
Are they going to surgically attach the subhuman penis to Montel?
That's braver than Katie Couric getting a colonoscopy on live television.
I think it's a bit of an over reaction to shut down the airspace over Boston. I can understand that they want to shut down transportation to keep the guy from getting away, but do they really think he's going to be able to bring down an aircraft that's flying over with a pressure cooker?
On the other hand, if they've already shut down all the flights in and out of the city itself, how hard is it for everyone else to just skirt around the city? Or maybe they want to have a dozen helicopters in the air looking for him with no interference.
Or they don't want aircraft running into the drones they've got up looking for him and they don't want citizens to see the drones so they told them all to stay indoors. Big Brother is so clever.
... aaaand didn't shoot any innocent bystanders in the process. Good job, BPD.
Perhaps instead of wasting more money on him they could just revoke his US citizenship and throw him in Gitmo.
Since Dad went back to Russia, and Mom's facing charges in Natick, MA, for stealing nine dresses from Lord & Taylor, his big brother was all he had left.
But big bro was resentful that little bro became a citizen, so the poor lad had to blow up children. That we he would prove to big bro he was still pure and uncorrupted, by the running capitalist dogs that gave him asylum, money, scholarships and other perks native borns can't get.
I mean, what's a fella to do when he doesn't have any friends because he doesn't understand them.
In other news, Boston cops are now considered the sexiest on the planet. One woman said: "They even know how to find a little man in a boat!"
Damnit, you promised you wouldn't bring that up again... I was drunk, it was dark... :o
I think the lockdown helped. I wonder if the informant would have noticed the details and would have called the cops if it had been business as usual.
Ummm
... more than likely he would have discovered the kid in his boat,
even without a city-wide lock down...
eventually :rolleyes:
Dude. You are so screwed. I mean, like, totally. Each day that you wake up, for the rest of your life, you’re going to face the very real possibility that it is only going to get worse. And you’re like nineteen. If they don’t kill you that means you might spend sixty years of a life behind bars. That is a long ass time to be in an orange jumpsuit. If you made those little tick marks on the wall here would be twenty-two thousand of them before you died a very old man in a very small cell.
Do you think Allah had this in mind?
I’m not one for a religious debate here but the people you killed… do you think they were your enemies? You could have done a lot of things to make the world a better place, in the name of your religion but instead you decided to kill people who otherwise might have stopped and listened to what you had to say. But now whatever you say is going to be tainted by the fact what you did was murder. Charles Manson is a lot closer to being your god than Allah is if I know anything about religion and anything about murder.
Much more and well worth reading, at
Hickory Headed Hermit.
Heard my first conspiracy theory this morning. About how this was set by the Government and the brothers were set up as mooks. Note how one is dead and the other was "conveniently" shot in the throat.
It was a practice session for martial law, with police and soldiers allowed to enter all houses withiut evidence or warrant, asking all other citizens to remain in their houses, ideally away from windows and/ or lying on the floor.
Note how only three people died - the bomb was made to ensure maximum panic without killing off too much of the labor force. Also American citizens were the perpetratirs, because there isn'sn't another international conflict America wants to start unlike last time,
we don't have a thread covering the Ricin envelopes mailed to congress and the President, so I figured I'd post this here.
They think they know who sent those poison envelopes. An Elvis impersonator from Mississippi. Arrested him.
His Flickr page is still up, if you feel like gawking at his pictures from gigs and events. Weird thing is that the page views of the images are so low still. Nobody is looking.
Looks like the crazy Elvis impersonator may have been framed by a
crazy former Mississippi House of Representatives candidate.
Dutschke sounds like a real gem. :eyebrow:
You know why forums always have trolls? Because the internet is made of cats. Ever seen a cat sitting atop a tall fence and winding up the frantic dog below?
Now: how bout everyone settles down and stops investing this thread with way too much importance. It's a conversation in a pub and sometimes the tone drifts downwards even though everyone is genuinely moved by the [SIZE="5"]enormity [/SIZE]of events.
belongs in the what's irritating me thread really, but noticed here.
I heard the word "enormity" used in a commercial on television this week and I LOLed because it was in the context of advertising a credit card for Bank of America (I have an exceedingly low opinion of BofA) and found it shockingly funny and candid that they'd describe the usefulness of their credit card with that term. Twil asked me why I was laughing and I explained to here what I'd heard and when I double checked the definition of that word, I found that it no longer *only* means exceedingly wicked or horrible, etc, but is now also used to just mean really big, like "enormous".
wtf.
Now because lots of people misuse a word we're just gonna go with that? I don't mind the promiscuous nature of English--I celebrate that--but I'm sad that it it's being stampeded by the ignorant users. *sigh*
[QUOTE=glatt]we don't have a thread covering the Ricin envelopes mailed to congress and the President, so I figured I'd post this here.
I was discussing him without citing his name. He had a long history of preaching government conspiracies. IOW he had a long history of 'knowing' what extremists rhetoric taught. He knew without first learning facts. He knew only the first thing he was told.
An example of why a greatest threat to American citizens is citizens educated in extremist rhetoric. As Timothy McVeigh demonstrated so long ago.
Only moderates and extremists exist. If you learn that, then extremists lose their bogeyman. Extremists need that bogeyman to justify rhetoric and hate.[/QUOTE]
Do you think you can put down that pitchfork long enough to come up with a non-New York Post cite for this statement? Or will you admit your error and retract your mistake?
Or will you admit your error and retract your mistake?
News reports framed Curtis with a history of extremist rhetoric. Facts now say something different. Either the FBI or numerous news sources got it wrong.
We know that extremists, such as McVeigh, are destructive. They operate on their emotions like a child rather than grasp reality as an adult. Now, if that is not characteristic of extremism, then you must also explain why. No ‘why’ means your accusation lacks credibility.
As Happy Monkey noted, this may be J. Everett Dutschke framing Paul Curtis. Portraying Curtis as a wacko extremist by forging Curtis's name to a letter. FBI charged Curtis with mailing ricin. The accusation should have been associated with some collaborating evidence. Such as tools used to make ricin. Or finger prints on those letters. District attorney' should have confirmed the FBI had some hard facts. Apparently the FBI only had Curtis's history as evidence to accuse him.
FBI made a similar mistake in May 2004 by accusing Oregon lawyer Brandon Mayfield with bombing a Madrid train station. Using only a partial finger print and no other facts. How did someone in Oregon somehow make bombs in Spain? FBI and associated District Attorney should have learned from their history and mistakes. Not accuse Curtis without any hard facts. Leaving us and the press to now ask how often does Justice jump to accusations without facts.
Dutschke may have used extremist acts to harm Curtis. So we wait for the FBI to find Duschke's source of ricin. Apparently FBI and district attorney learned their lesson. They avoided accusing Dutschke without facts - as they should have done with Curtis.
That still does not change what many extremists do.
An example of why a greatest threat to American citizens is citizens educated in extremist rhetoric. As Timothy McVeigh demonstrated so long ago.
The example is correct as demonstrated by no ‘reasons why’ from BigV. Unfortunately the example, this time, was FBI created fiction.
I don't think Bruce grew up in an America where this kind of security becomes necessary... come to think of it neither did I. We used to think we were special. I guess that's how we fucked up.
some runners have numbers, and some don't. Why? Is that dude official security or is he just openly carrying to protect himself?
Oh he has a gun!
Honestly only noticed it because of Glatt's post (thankyou)
He's just one of the runners, but chose to run armed.:(
He's just one of the runners, but chose to run armed.
If he was armless, then would he be handicapped? Or does that only apply to horses?
I"ll put good money on this guy being an SF weenie wannabe reservist who thinks he's being cool in some stupid out of place kind of way. I can tell by the silly hat, with the sunglasses piched on top, and the coyote colored, SOF issue geardo kit.
Quiet professional wannabe who can't resist trying to show off and call attention to his cool self in public, yea, that's my call.
I considered that he may work at an Army surplus store and was doing some advertising; but, I like your assessment better.
Of course, he could be a paintball commando gone wild!
If he was armless, then would he be handicapped?
Yes, of course. And if he were legless then he would be footicapped.
Where did you go to school?
So what are you then, Footicapable?
If he was armless, then would he be handicapped? Or does that only apply to horses?
A TW funny!
Always worth waiting for, even - or perhaps because - they are like hens' teeth.
A TW funny!
Always worth waiting for, even - or perhaps because - they are like hens' teeth.
Mythical?
some runners have numbers, and some don't.
Many people pin them to their thigh or waist.