Hurricane Sandy
All you folks in the Northeast need to batten the hatches and start preparing for Hurricane Sandy.
"Government forecasters are warning that the US east coast is likely to be battered next week, not by a winter storm or a hurricane, but by an unusual combination of steady gale-force winds, flooding, heavy rain and possibly snow. It has already been dubbed the "snor'eastercane"."
Just read about this. Hope it doesn't get this far west, at least in terms of power outages ... but east of here, looks like everybody needs to hunker down.
This could be a sumbitch, but at least tw will be pleased. ;)
had no idea until my teacher mentioned it in class this afternoon. Vermont's pretty nervous about it - we're still recovering from the widespread damage caused by Irene a year ago.
We're going camping Saturday night and my daughter's in a parade Sunday afternoon. I hope the storm waits until Sunday evening to hit. :mad:
it's not supposed to start getting bad til sunday night - monday morning, is what i'm hearing.
I think we're about 6-10 hours ahead of you down here.
Oh aye, fair enough. I suppose it'll hit sooner down south than up here.
Here's today's update Emergency Management:
Hurricane Sandy will probably grow into a “Frankenstorm” that may become the worst to hit the U.S. Northeast in 100 years if current forecasts are correct. Sandy may combine with a second storm coming out of the Midwest to create a system that would rival the New England hurricane of 1938 in intensity, said Paul Kocin, a National Weather Service meteorologist in College Park, Maryland. The hurricane currently passing the Bahamas has killed 21 people across the Caribbean, the Associated Press reported, citing local officials.
Sandy Hurricane? Isn't that a Haboob?
We're going camping Saturday night and my daughter's in a parade Sunday afternoon. I hope the storm waits until Sunday evening to hit. :mad:
And my daughter's band has already pulled out of the parade. :(
Some computer models have snow as far west as Ohio. Our EMS update said if conditions are right, up to 1,000,000 homes without power. They are urging citizens to have a 5 day emergency supply
I don't have my heat on, still.
:(
Virginia has declared a state of emergency
Some computer models have snow as far west as Ohio. Our EMS update said if conditions are right, up to 1,000,000 homes without power. They are urging citizens to have a 5 day emergency supply
an emergency supply of power?
That refers to items that you would need to sustain you for 5 days. Water, food, generator fuel, batteries.......
Well, if that covers Ibby, you forgot to mention cheese and weed. ;)
That refers to items that you would need to sustain you for 5 days. Water, food, generator fuel, batteries.......
I note that humor is the first casualty in a crisis.;)
Well, if that covers Ibby, you forgot to mention cheese and weed. ;)
OH SHIT
THAT REMINDS ME
THANK YOU ZEN
I hope you all stay safe. Looks nasty. :(
I wonder how much it would fuck up my life if this thing hurt my house in any way right now. Or the new house, that would not really work for me either. Two days before I make the big payment and take the keys, that would really fuck things up.
The path is right over us now @ 40-75MPH (120 kph) winds. I don't think I've ever experienced above 50. Right now, 22% chance it comes in as a hurricane, above 75 MPH. 3% chance above 95 MPH.
I wonder how much it would fuck up my life if this thing hurt my house in any way right now. Or the new house, that would not really work for me either. Two days before I make the big payment and take the keys, that would really fuck things up.
The path is right over us now @ 40-75MPH (120 kph) winds. I don't think I've ever experienced above 50. Right now, 22% chance it comes in as a hurricane, above 75 MPH. 3% chance above 95 MPH.
Your bigger issue might be the creek flooding. Sandy's bringing loads of rain.
They've taken down some of the billboards lining Walt Whitman Bridge, leaving only the metal skeletons. I'll try to get pix on my way home.
I was checking the track of this storm, especially the wind speed chart. And it's just ridiculous. It's chugging along, causing no problems, and then it makes a sharp turn right into the Philly area, directly over your hood.
But it's so huge. I read a thing somewhere that hurricane force winds are being measured 400 miles from the center. If it's symetrical, that means this storm is 800 miles wide. No matter where it hits, it's gonna get the entire East coast.
I'm about to head outside to take down all the halloween decorations and my garden stuff, bring in the lawn chairs, and tie the garbage cans to the fence. Then we're going camping. Coming home just in time to ride out the storm. Gotta remember to move the cars away from the trees.
I hope you fare well, UT.
I'm about to head outside to take down all the halloween decorations and my garden stuff, bring in the lawn chairs, and tie the garbage cans to the fence.
My plans for later today
Yes, everybody in Philly and over by the coast - stock up, stay safe. Further inland we may get tons of rain or snow but not the brunt of winds and flooding.
Sending good wishes to everyone on the coast to hang onto your hats and ride this thing out ...
... Then we're going camping....
Please anticipate the unexpected:
• early arrival of flooding
• early arrival of wind
• early arrival of babies
and other such stuff as nature is made of
Have a good time, but play safe.
Yeah, we're supposed to get slammed between snow and hurricane remnants= NOTHING like New jersey, PA, MD, etc. are supposed to get but I SWEAR TO THOR (not monster's son, the OTHER Thor- Jimhelm) that if my power goes out ONE MORE FUCKING TIME I AM GOING TO LOSE MY MIND. for the past two years my power has gone out - MY STREET ONLY - every six months and it's taken WEEKS for those Mexicans they hire to fix it.
I am SICK OF IT!
Well, at least it isn't 100 degrees. I can deal with the cold. It's the no hot food, a fridge full of spoiled food, no coffee, NO TV DAMMIT and I NEED to watch DEXTER!
Ok. I'll settle down. Good luck out there. And don't nobody go out in no fishing boat. Even if it IS George Clooney who asks you.
No Dexter????? Well if you lose power, you can always act out scenes from Dexter.
:lol: That'd be a whole new episode ... Dexter and the Frankenstorm
No Dexter????? Well if you lose power, you can always act out scenes from Dexter.
with his Viking costume!*
*or at least the hat.
And don't nobody go out in no fishing boat. Even if it IS George Clooney who asks you.
I solemnly swear to say no to George Clooney, no matter how much he begs!
I solemnly swear to say no to George Clooney, no matter how much he begs!
somehow...I just don't believe it.
Okay, after Ibby's information, definitely saying no to George Clooney. That man has no luck when it comes to storms.
I'll do better with a windup radio, lanterns, water, and homemade soup. Add some canned goods + can opener, and a few Nuwick candles to heat it all ... :)
Sad: your fiancee leaves you and moves into a beautiful 11th floor condo on the waterfront with the credit score you helped her recover
Not so sad: her second month there, the area is put under state of emergency and she has to evacuate.
Poetic justice: her condo is trashed by the storm and she has to seek new shelter using a credit score that reflects her actual financial behavior over the past few months, rather than the score you helped her get.
The old Karma bus eventually rolls by each of us.
Stay safe, ya'll!
Sandy is on the news around the world.
As a hurricane ... actually not too powerful. But the way it looks like interacting with a nor-easter storm could really amp it up just as it makes landfall, which it looks like doing smack on the densely populated north east.
For added fun, I've read there are some odd jet stream patterns which could slow Sandy's movement and almost lock it in place over the north east.
For even more fun, the full moon is in a day or two, meaning king tides. Add that to storm surges and wave walls, and sheeee-yiiit, this thing could make a mess.
Good luck all.
Hurricane prep, #classybitch style: Carlo Rossi jugs as emergency water storage!
"Emergency water" ... that what you college kids are calling it nowadays? ;)
no, no, that actually IS a bottle of water. The full one's still in the fridge. gotta stock up!
How's the supply of "emergency tobacco"? ;)
Sandy is on the news around the world.
As a hurricane ... actually not too powerful. But the way it looks like interacting with a nor-easter storm could really amp it up just as it makes landfall, which it looks like doing smack on the densely populated north east.
For added fun, I've read there are some odd jet stream patterns which could slow Sandy's movement and almost lock it in place over the north east.
For even more fun, the full moon is in a day or two, meaning king tides. Add that to storm surges and wave walls, and sheeee-yiiit, this thing could make a mess.
Good luck all.
Yeah, that jet stream is weird, dipping way south then almost due north. That and the high up north (not Ibby, air mass) is going to cause this thing to sit for a couple days dumping heavy rain.:(
the high up north (not Ibby, air mass)
sigged. Well, location'd.
Ha! See how MY area of Ohio is totally out of the possible power outage range?
Betcha I lose power.
I just betcha.
It's interesting how far up in Maine it's going. I'll bet people who live that far out in the wilds of Maine don't give a power outage a thought. It's Deliverance country out there anyway.
Can't happen, you'll always have the power.:cool:
Seriously. I think our police academy uses our transformer for practice shooting.
We here in the 'hood call it the Great White Whale coz it continually blows.
It looks like you are all going to die. Can I have your stuff?? I can hop on Cheri and ride her up there. She's a tough old gal, but she can pull a train
you can have my stuff. Lotsa a purple sweaters, animals, costume jewelry and books.
It'll be fun for you!
Only if it floats his way.
Good luck to all of you on the E.C. CNN is beside themselves with joy reporting on the coming acopolypse. Hope they're exagerating as usual. :thepain:
Hiya Sam, I was just about to put out an APB on you. How's life?
We're in this amazing protected valley. When Irene came through we had a bit of rain. 15 miles south of us in VT, their shit got all fucked up.
Shangri-la right here.
Cheri & I are ready to come rescue you. We only broke down twice on a 30 mile drive. It would be a grand adventure
I'm sure Addie can fix it.
It's so weird waiting for this to arrive. The flooding is going to be much worse than the wind damage. We already start with full moon high tides. We are gonna need your winch Sarge. And bring sand because the Jersey beaches are going to be devastated.
Please guys use this thread to check in to let us all know you're safe and well.
6:21 AM in central CT - The wind is starting to pick up and it's misting a bit. I think it's supposed to get worse around noon. Being on the "uphill side" of the storm, we'll probably get more wind than rain. We have everything about as picked up and strapped down as possible, I even tied down my beehives with ratchet straps. Like foot3, we are in a weird weather area where most of the heavy stuff goes around us - somehow, I don't think that will happen this time. Got food, gas for the grill, scotch - we're ready.
"The waiting is the hardest part." -Tom Petty
Fairly steady rain already but almost no wind. I don't care about the rain so much. We get a few puddles in our unfinished basement. But the potential wind scares me. Lots of mature trees around here and the power is certain to go out. Stupid overhead wires. I'd be happy to pay my share to bury them. And I would vote for a presidential candidate who ran on the platform of getting them buried.
wind and rain. Meh, it's ohio - far from the real action but we're getting hit by a snowstorm AND then the remnants of Sandy.
I feel for you guys. This looks like it's going to be nasty.
PS - foot: you're NORTH of VT? I always thought you were in the Fluffia or DC area...
I hope everyone stays safe.
Please guys use this thread to check in to let us all know you're safe and well.
Doing great, thanks, no weather problems here. Just
a 7.7 earthquake up the road a bit. No biggie.
Then it hit.
“It felt like a freight train was coming through my house. It was that loud.”
Chili leaped up and stared at her. Do something.
The 60-seconds of shaking felt like minutes to Duke.
“We’re used to small quakes, they feel like trucks going by. But this one continued to build and build.”
--snip--
In Queen Charlotte City, Mayor Kulesha met with fire chief Duke at RCMP headquarters. A state of emergency was declared. Firefighters, ambulance crews and other volunteers had thrown emergency vests over their Halloween costumes.
“One lady showed up in a cocktail dress and rubber boots,” said Kulesha.
Already firefighters were door-knocking on the shoreline homes, and using loudspeakers to clear the coastal town. A steady line of tail lights snaked up the logging roads to higher ground.
“I was really proud of everyone,” said Kulesha, adding the event was an opportunity to learn. “Communications for us is the largest issue. I think we need to have more discussion with the federal government about infrastructure.”
After the Southeast Asia Tsunami in 2004, the need for a Tsunami siren had become apparent; one is on order, but hasn’t been delivered yet.
In Terrace, reporter Killen stayed home for an hour or so. “We were worried the Skeena (River) was going to flood,” she said. When it became clear the threat was over, she went to a Halloween party — and it was a good one. “We all had something to talk about.”
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Major+earthquake+gives+real+life+drill+first+responders/7461291/story.html#ixzz2Ah8iZV8W
Shit! Im out of milk, eggs and bread!
How could this happen!?
Attack of the French Toast Gremlins?!
wait. I want to revise my reply. You answered it in the first word of your own post. Check your shit, Jim. You needn't bother to report the results, *pleasethankyouverrymuch*.
How can you survive without teh emergency French toast? :eek:
I went shopping too late yesterday, and the bread shelf was picked clean except for one package each of hamburger buns and English muffins. So I'll be making do with English French muffin toasts.
Stupid overhead wires. I'd be happy to pay my share to bury them. And I would vote for a presidential candidate who ran on the platform of getting them buried.
I've been saying for years that we need a massive national energy infrastructure security investment. Think of the stimulative effects on the economy! Think of the health and safety improvements! think of the quality-of-life effects!
We live in a really very stormy nation. Why the fuck isn't it just OBVIOUS to put a lot of money into helping mitigate the common effects of that?
re:storm; the wind started picking up over the last half-hour or so. Still not very windy. It's overcast, but still pretty nice out, honestly.
Just interrupted the young&restless to tell us a storm is coming.
The president is going to tell us.
Like we don 't know!
Scott Pelley isn 't coming thru - it's all breaking up.
Wind is picking up in NEPA. Stay safe folks!
[QUOTE=Ibby;836229]I've been saying for years.QUOTE] Humm.
Good luck to all those affected by the storm. It's starting to look pretty scary.
It's very windy and rainy in Philly right now. I live in the Old City part of town, which I just found out has had its electric wires underground since...the beginning of electricity!
PECO did a major overhaul on our block's system a few years back, and we haven't had any outages since. Would be so nice if holds up through this awfulness.
I've been saying for years that we need a massive national energy infrastructure security investment. Think of the stimulative effects on the economy! Think of the health and safety improvements! think of the quality-of-life effects!
Not just quality of life, there are significant measurable economic impacts every time the power goes out. It costs money, not just to get it turned back on, but in all the lost business. It should be a no brainer.
Heard a loud BOOM about ten minutes ago. Sounded like a transformer going. Facebook comments indicate they lost power two blocks over. Makes me wonder exactly what in the transformer is making that boom noise when it goes. When a circuit breaker in my house trips, it just makes a loud click.
Wind still isn't very bad at all, but occasional strong gusts. Steady rain for a few hours now.
Meanwhile, Arlington County email alerts seem designed to put the fear of God in people.
I can see blue sky out my window. I might go for a walk if i can get around to taking a shower.
Things are picking up here, wind and rain.
Apparently this was earlier this morning about 4 miles east of here.
I'm not a big rah rah military guy, but these guys have nothing but respect from me.
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That's neat. Found this in wiki:
Tomb Guards It is considered one of the highest honors to serve as a Sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknowns. Fewer than 20 percent of all volunteers are accepted for training and of those only a fraction pass training to become full-fledged Tomb Guards. This attrition rate has made the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Guard Identification Badge the second least-awarded decoration of the United States Military (the first being the Army Astronaut Badge).[19]
The soldier "walking the mat" does not wear rank insignia, so as not to outrank the Unknowns, whatever their ranks may have been. Non-commissioned officers (usually the Relief Commander and Assistant Relief Commanders), do wear insignia of their rank when changing the guard only. They have a separate uniform (without rank) that is worn when they actually guard the Unknowns or are "Posted".
The duties of the sentinels are not purely ceremonial. The sentinels will confront people who cross the barriers at the tomb, or are disrespectful or loud.[
Sorry, mate.
The PR Grab
The Image in Question: American heroes being heroic at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
Why We Want to Believe It's Real: Because: what a story, right? Feeling the same way, the U.S. Army posted this on its Facebook page this morning, suggesting that those soldiers right there are out there today guarding the tomb, even in this dangerous storm. In addition to the sentiment, it's just a lovely photo, with good lighting and enough rain to make us feel horrible for those men, but also patriotic.
Why It's Totally Fake: Well, the photo is too lovely, it turns out. The original image came from this photography website and was uploaded in September of this year. The U.S. Army chose the one above because the heavy sheet rain drives the point home more than the actual photo from today, which doesn't look as unfortunate as the one above.
Are they saying the first pic is fake, or just that it wasn't taken today? Because, there's like, a huge difference.
Sorry, mate.
Interesting. The rain did look heavier than what I've been seeing today, so I threw in the "apparently" caveat. But I didn't feel like checking the authenticity. Thanks for checking!
Are they saying the first pic is fake, or just that it wasn't taken today? Because, there's like, a huge difference
So the photo is not 'totally fake.'
Good to know. Seems a strange way to put it...but that's just bad writing I guess.
Letter carrier just delivered our mail through the slot in the door. And it's slightly wet. How dare she allow it to get wet?
Because it's not "neither sun nor heat nor bright daylight shall keep us from our appointed rounds."
;)
funny!
however, I was told by my mail carrier that she was not obliged to put my mail in my mailbox close to my screen door behind which were my dogs. :grr:
Bounty? Didn't soak it up? Should have taken the HMS Shamwow.
Wind's picking up a little bit. Time for beer in the shower so i don't miss the fun part.
Oh dear, and it hasn't even made landfall yet. :eyebrow:
what does the red line indicate?
Ok. I'm in southwest Ohio and the windows are rattling. The wind is actually howling and if any of my goddamn trees (five left, mostly oaks) come down I'm leaving them right where they fall until they rot. (18 months ago I had to clean up seven of twelve trees that came down from straight line winds): Cost: 4,000 clams.
snow/rain tomorrow night for trick or treat. Bet there won't be many kids out at all.
Pieces are going to start flying off my flimsy abode...as far west Ohio as i am. If electric goes out I'm screwed...using space heaters and an electric blanket.
Can't imagine what you easterners are going through.
Oh dear, and it hasn't even made landfall yet. :eyebrow:
Rut rho. (cartoon dog voice)
Pieces are going to start flying off my flimsy abode...as far west Ohio as i am. If electric goes out I'm screwed...using space heaters and an electric blanket.
Can't imagine what you easterners are going through.
right, I can't imagine what they're going thru either. Yikes! and west VA is snowy as hell.
man, it's HOWLING out there!
If I have no electric I am truly screwed as NO space heaters or generator; though you'd think after these past two years of spaced out weather I'd have both handy-but I don't. I only have a Coleman lantern! LOL! And blankets and three kitties and a doggie. That'll do it.
I have so many layers on i look like the Stay-puft marshmallow man. Yeah that's my story. ;)
My heaters are electric and i have no generator either. However, if worse comes to worst (is that the correct phrasing?) I have two brothers with lots of extra space in their homes!
I tried to warn all of you to get ready and the worst still hasn't hit. I'm praying for all of you
duuuude.
what does the red line indicate?
Floodstage, the key's at the bottom.
I see now. I overlooked it, on my monitor it looks like -- Gage height [COLOR="DarkRed"]--[/COLOR] Floodstage
duuuude.
What does it mean?:nuts:
It's like a Mondrian weather map.
WV - wind isn't bad yet but the rain got serious this afternoon. Temps have dropped into the 30's so it'll be snow tonight - at which point we'll likely lose power. I have lanterns and a 4-season sleeping bag, cooking candles, etc.
And the university hasn't canceled classes for tomorrow morning! I'm supposed to turn up for an 8:00 Biostats class. :eyebrow:
Lights are flickering, NJ and Long Island Facebookers are reporting power out. Any moment now I expect to be out. If it goes, I'll try to check in one more time by phone's mobile hotspot.
Will you be warm and safe? Are you living in the new place now?
Good luck, UT and everybody in Philly ...
No I'm still at the old house. I take delivery of the key on the new place on Thursday, but I won't move in right away. If the place is still standing. :D
Drizzled for about ten minutes here, then quit again. I still have my window open; the curtains've flapped a bit at a few gusts in the last hour or so but it's still actually really nice out. Thinking about popping out for a few beers and some dinner before the rain hits.
Hey guys: who wants to pop into Cellar Chat for a Sandychat tonight? We can tell when people lose power by when they vanish!
The Defense Logistics Agency posted this Photo: Okay, this is crazy! A shark swimming in the streets of Brigantine, NJ #hurricaneSandy
I hope everyone put shark repellant in their survival kit.
Ed Shultz just announced on behalf of NYC that the city is experiencing a "911 overload" and to call 311 for information or to report damage. yikes.
Dang! Knew I'd forgotten something!
The Defense Logistics Agency posted this Photo: Okay, this is crazy! A shark swimming in the streets of Brigantine, NJ #hurricaneSandy
I hope everyone put shark repellant in their survival kit.
How are those underground utilities looking now, glatt?
Water is one thing that makes transformers go boom.
Hurricane Sandy sounds like an awesome dessert.
Makes me wonder exactly what in the transformer is making that boom noise when it goes. When a circuit breaker in my house trips, it just makes a loud click.
I got curious.
Why Do Transformers Explode?
Transformers explode when an electric power line running to a transformer suddenly transmits far too much electricity for the circuits within the transformer to process. The most common way that this can happen is during a lightning strike. There are automatic shutoffs within the transformer when too much power reaches it. They turn off within 60 milliseconds of having detected an energy spike; unfortunately, this is about 5 times too slow to do any good. The extra electricity heats up and melts the circuit. The circuits are made to be heat resistant and are kept cool by several gallons of refined mineral oil in a closed chamber. Despite this, the circuit becomes red hot and fails in a shower of electrical sparks, superheating and igniting the mineral oil. The mineral oil combusts explosively, causing a loud bang and sending metal shrapnel that was once the transformer scything everywhere.
I don't mean this in a bad way. I know what a fuck-up this can be. But, yanks, get a dose of what we go though every 2 or 3 years. Guess we're a bit better prepared.
I have gas for cooking and heating water, but the fing lights are a bitch.
Gool luck all !!
I don't mean this in a bad way. I know what a fuck-up this can be. But, yanks, get a dose of what we go though every 2 or 3 years. Guess we're a bit better prepared.
I have gas for cooking and heating water, but the fing lights are a bitch.
Good luck all !! Need anything, call or post, write.
starting to get windy here!
Stay safe, everyone! Watch out for sharks!
Sent by thought transference.
Made it overnight with no power loss!
The winds were amazing. Now just soaking rain.
Bravo! Amazing, considering where you are ... glad you came through all right. Any word from others in the area?
Glad you made it through, UT!
Our light flickered numerous times and we lost power for a couple minutes at one point, but it's morning now and the winds have died down considerably, but it's still raining.
We have a drain outside by the basement door, and when it gets full of leaves, the water comes into the house. So I keep cleaning it out. Lots of leaves trying to clog it. But I'm on top of it, and we're dry.
All in all, Sandy was a wimp at our house. Which is just fine by me. Friends half a mile away got a tree on their house and car. Big tree, got the house next to theirs too.
It turns out that in my county, this morning, 175,000 Peco customers are without power... out of 300,000.
All told 600,000 Peco customers are still without power (out of about 1,700,000) and that's after Peco restored service to 240,000 customers. So about half of Philly area lost power, and about 2/3rds of my county, where the trees are.
I did lose an old, dead tree but the tree didn't completely fall. It's held up at a 60-degree angle by another tree. Now I wonder whether I should just leave it to the new owners. Maybe they will like it like that.
A couple light flickers but not much else here. Usually ocean storms hit us harder but Sandy ran to the West so her winds were being blocked by the hill I built against to avoid the normal prevailing winds.
Time to check for chainsaw work.
tons of wind - I thought my shutters were coming off but I checked this morn. and they are still there. Snowy-ish rain and very blowy.
No power outages here - YAY!
East coast peeps...check in.
Who're we missing? jim? wolf?
Jim was ok last I heard.
Wolf has no power but she's okay. She's throwing everything out of her fridge 'cept the beers.
*all facebook stuff
:)
Warm beers work in a pinch.
Or they can just sit outside. Mine do sometimes. But not for long. ;)
oh yeah.... 'm fine.
only lost power for like 3 minutes. mainly just bored. watched a lot of bad tv, ate chinese food, etc.
Actually saw someone I know on one of those man on the street interviews. And heard one reporter ask a citizen what they think people should do if they lose power. really? that's bush league.
Stunningly, I didn't lose power. The lights flickered three times, but that was it. Usually, my power goes out if a cloud looks in my neighborhood's direction.
There must not be any more trees left between me and the substation.
Electricity flickered once, here. Our new construction fucking leaked. A couple of substantial sized limbs (think upper arm diameter) fell, but were considerate enough to not fall on anything. Lots of interesting wind. I'm going out for a drive soon, to look at the local creeks.
I've been saying for years that we need a massive national energy infrastructure security investment. Think of the stimulative effects on the economy! Think of the health and safety improvements! think of the quality-of-life effects!
We live in a really very stormy nation. Why the fuck isn't it just OBVIOUS to put a lot of money into helping mitigate the common effects of that?
This is one of my hot points. We are a reactive nation. We'd rather pay over and over for repairs and losses due to outages than to proactively fix something.
I did lose an old, dead tree but the tree didn't completely fall. It's held up at a 60-degree angle by another tree. Now I wonder whether I should just leave it to the new owners. Maybe they will like it like that.
Leave it. It adds character to the place.
All in all, Sandy was a wimp at our house. Which is just fine by me. Friends half a mile away got a tree on their house and car. Big tree, got the house next to theirs too.
Is your friend in Falls Church? CNN interviewed a guy there who had a tree fall on his family's house.
No flooding, power outages, building collapses, etc. in my part of town...and all the crap that my neighbors left on their roof next to my windows stayed put. *whew*
The Weather Channel provides
200+ pictures. Most damage is trivial. The usual and expected flooding on barrier islands. Cars flooded (ie in NYC's financial district) because owners foolishly ignored warnings and stayed. Wildwood homes with the usual flooding because they were not built on stilts are that environment requires. Ironically, one homeowner had an air conditioner (picture 57?), properly protected, on stilts.
Worst was a 100 home fire in Breezy Point Queens NY. Probably because some homeowner foolishly did not turn off electricity and gas before leaving. Learn from other's mistakes.
Locations with flooding have serious planning to implement. For example, PATH has been doing planning for flooding that will take 20 years. A picture of their Hoboken Station shows how much work must still be done.
In PA (Cellar region), most remain with electricity despite so many overhead wires threatened by trees. Weather Channel pictures demonstrate how minor this storm really was. Notice damage, while even electric and phone lines remain intact. Because this storm was only a serious storm. And not the disaster hyped by the local gossip TV stations (no TV for two days while local gossip hunts so hard for to report isolated damage). All useful news on this storm could have been reported by a 5 minute report once every hour. But, no. They stopped all TV broadcasting like it was 11 September. Even the network news (far more important information) was not broadcast. View the pictures. Even overhead power lines remain intact.
Learn from other's mistakes. If water is half way up your tires, then you are at serious risk or possible death. Notice how many (and how many 'the world is going to end' news reporters) do not know that. Learn from their mistakes.
If suffering from flooding, then you have a problem that must be solved. Anyone who had flooding should expect future flooding. Fix the house. Move the car. Rebuild or redecorate accordingly.
How out of touch are some? HMS Bounty left port on Thursday headed directly into what everyone knew was coming. The Captain said it was safer to be as sea rather than in port. He foolishly claimed he was going around the hurricane - using sail power. He and one crewman died because he did not use simple intelligence. And that was only a Category one hurricane. Intelligence - not the storm - was the problem. Meanwhile, in London, planes remain grounded because others used brain power to avert problems from a simple serious storm.
Notice that NYC even had plans to cover subway grates. Essential to protect the entire subway system and adjacent buildings.
Had Irene (last year) remained over water, then it would have been a more serious storm. Had Irene struck NYC as threatened, then NYC would have had serious problems. Notice NYC doing things that could only happened with advanced planning.
Among serious storms, Sandy was trivial. Even its wind was not that serious as demonstrated by so many intact utility wires. As demonstrated by maps during landfall in
Here they Come Again! A lesson that everyone should learn from. If your house had damage, then you know how much work need be done to prepare for serious storms. Storms that are expected to become more common.
My cow orkers boat got washed into someones back yard. He's beside himself.
My cow orkers boat got washed into someones back yard. He's beside himself.
And his boat stands beside his neighbor. Even his boat abandoned him.
I hope he did not consider his boat his best friend.
Survived. Power is on at the rehab, still none at home yet.
From
NASA...
At 2:20 EDT on Sunday October 28, Hurricane Sandy was a marginal category 1 hurricane and its eyewall was modest, as TRMM reveals, which gives us hints about its possible future strength.
~snip~
But placed in context, the TRMM-observed properties of Hurricane Sandy’s eyewall are evidence of remarkable vigor. Most hurricanes
only have well-formed and compact eyewalls at category 3 strength or higher. Sandy was not only barely a category 1 hurricane, but Sandy was also experiencing strong wind shear, Sandy was going over ocean typically too cold to form hurricanes, and Sandy had been limping along as a marginal hurricane for several days.
Hiya Sam, I was just about to put out an APB on you. How's life?
My life is complicated. But when compared to the folks in Sandy's path, I'm doing pretty damn good. I've been avoiding the Internet and cable news because I get so enraged over what I've read and heard re the election. However, I'll probably post a big old rant down in the politics forum since my patience has frayed down to the vanishing point. So be forewarned, Hurricane Sam is gathering strength over in western Colorado! :eek:
My life is complicated. But when compared to the folks in Sandy's path, I'm doing pretty damn good. I've been avoiding the Internet and cable news because I get so enraged over what I've read and heard re the election. However, I'll probably post a big old rant down in the politics forum since my patience has frayed down to the vanishing point. So be forewarned, Hurricane Sam is gathering strength over in western Colorado! :eek:
:applause:
I LIKE Hurricane Sam! :D
You know, I think Big W00dy might have been the closest Dwellar to the bad stuff.
All right!
Anyone hit hard by Sandy?
I want damage reports! And pictures!
A small branch fell from the neighbors' tree into the end of our driveway, and my feet got a little tangled in it when I got the newspaper in the dark yesterday morning. When I went out a couple hours later and planned to pick it up, it was missing.
On Tuesday morning (day after Sandy), reporters got onto Avalon. A barrier island town located where Sandy's eye hit. A picture of the fallen street light says what really happened. Behind that picture are 1) intact telephone and electric wires, 2) no damage to any home, and 3) no debris or sand in the streets. This is what most towns suffered despite non-stop news (no other television) for two day warning of the end of the earth. The actual reporting could have been 5 minute bulletins every hour.
This picture is the road across Townsend Inlet from Avalon to Sea Isle (in the distance). Sea Isle is where Gov Chris Christie has a beach home. Atlantic is to the right. Pictured is the only part of that road that suffered damage as waves and wind came from the NE - right side of that picture.
Down to the right was a beach where I would launch my kayak into the ocean. Then the 'powers that be' decided to build a massive rock wall to protect expensive homes built right on the inlet and completely exposes to NE blown waves from the Atlantic. Therefore all beaches disappeared. Not just the beach I launch from. But the beach to right side of that picture for almost a kilometer to the ocean. Even beach one on the other side of that pictured rock wall disappeared. Because $millions were spent to protect homes that had no business being built there.
Without any beach protection, a whole 100 feet of Ocean Ave was damaged - as pictured. Damage created by politically spent money to protect people who had no business building homes right on the inlet and to the right of this picture.
So the local gossip (ie Action News) spend all day hyping damage, such as this, as the end of the world. This is where Sandy made landfall.
See those waves crashing over the wall? Often happens with any Nor'estrn storm. This road section often appears on the local gossip whenever a reporter needs footage showing how bad that one storm was.
All right, you have a grievance about the beachfront homes and the retaining wall (and I agree). But New York City hospitals don't usually have twelve feet of water in their elevator shafts and lower floors. There was somewhat more damage from Sandy than you're making out. Was the storm over-hyped? Maybe, maybe not. Those who have to prepare and warn the public have to err on the side of caution. I'd far rather there was too much concern than too little.
As for network news and politics ... a two-day break from that might not have been such a terrible thing, either.
I'm sure these people will be mighty happy to hear they don't have a problem.
There was somewhat more damage from Sandy than you're making out.
NYC was a different situation. A fire in Breezy Point burned at least 80 homes. The flooding in NYC (that has always been predicted) finally occurred. Remember, NYC is one of five cities listed (with New Orleans) at greatest risk. And NYC is about 100 miles north of those pictures. 100 miles where Sandy made landfall. NYC has long been that vunerable.
The storm was serious (as I said). Which means it should have been reported for five minutes each hour. Instead they canceled all TV to report the 'end of the world'. And rarely ever mentioned a fire in Breezy Point. Or flooding of PATH, subway, or regional rail tunnels in NYC. One story greater than all Philly area damage was Breezy Point. In Philly, even network news was preempted. That Breezy Point fire remained almost unreported in Philly until the next day. While the local gossip preached Philly disasters constantly for 24 hours.
Where did the hurricane eye go? North side of Wilmington Delaware. Did the local gossip mention that? Where is massive damage in Wilmington? Nothing to report.
xoxoxoBruce - your pictures of Tuckerton, et al (why do I know those towns) forget to mention those areas flood routinely. Those homes are built on stilts or above ground. Did the epitaph forget to mention that? They had to search far and wide for rare flooding. Only town that had unusually high flooding was Ocean City. So OC had sand on the streets.
View reporters today awaiting Pres Obama and Gov Christie in Brigantine. Another barrier island town adjacent to Atlantic City and near Ocean City. No homes damaged. No down wires. No debris or sand in streets. Most towns look like that. Was New Orleans damage that limited? So why does Philly news report like it was another New Orleans?
Sandy was barely a category one hurricane. Katrina was category five. Katrina was a news story. Sandy was only another Nor'ester storm. But local gossip hyped it like it was Katrina.
Philly gossip constantly reported destruction of Atlantic City's famous boardwalk. They forgot to mention is was a completely different and obsolete boardwalk. Scheduled for removal or replacement. And located where few people visit. But the local gossip forgot to mention that. The famous Atlantic City boardwalk: untouched.
That decaying boardwalk was on a NE beach where beaches suffer heavy erosion. Of course that decaying boardwalk washed away. Saving the city construction money. Why is that the end of the world?
View that boardwalk from another perspective. Nearby buildings undamaged (other than water on the first floor). Even electric wires remain intact. Where is this massive damage? View the following pictures. Oh. News forgot to show most everything behind that obsolete boardwalk was undamaged.
Across Townsends Inlet is Sea Isle. In heavy rains, this town tends to flood more often. Due to lower ground levels. This town was also in the eye of Sandy. A news van takes a tour. View the massive damage - if you can find it.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=8868873
Or fly in a helicopter that tours the south end of Sea Isle. See a disaster - of floating docks broken free. Eventually the flight moves north into Strathmere. Strathmere is one of the first towns to flood in any serious storm. So narrow that only one line of homes separate the ocean from the bay. Again, good luck finding massive damage.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=8868229
The helicopter tour ends just at the bridge into Ocean City. Another town 'desvestated' by Sandy. But typically does not suffer damage like narrow and exposed Strathmere.
Next town north is Ocean City. A town especially called devestated by local gossip. View unedited footage. Look hard for damaged buildings directly on the beach. About halfway is Ocean City's boardwalk and even a building built out to the ocean. Again, where is all this damage? Not even one board on the walk is missing.
Where some street sewers exist, I see piles of sand sticking out of water. Apparently some streets in the northern half cannot drain. A majority of street remain clear despite edited reports that only show streets covered in sand. Hypsters in a news department editted all that out. Where is damage to justify 24 consecutive hours of 'disaster reports'? Some streets still have puddles? A disaster? Ever wonder why sociology major makes a better news reporters? They learn how to hype rather than report logically and with perspective.
This video ends at a bridge that connects Ocean City to another barrier island that includes Atlantic City. Still looking for all this devastation.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=8868224Previous pictures showed Ocean Ave feeding a bridge to Sea Isle. I would launch a kayak from a large beach behind that seawall. This chopper shows the same road and wall from the ocean side. Sea Isle to the right. Note a tiny beach that once extended well out from the seawall. A new rock wall extends leftward. Video follows that wall out towards the Atlantic.
Numerous MacMansions were pushed in between existing houses and the ocean. With so many MacMansions, the 'powers that be' decided to spend NJ taxpayer money on a large, expensive rock seawall to protect those MacMansions. After all, the rich need that protection. So a beach that once extended down to the bottom of the screen no longer exists. Ocean waves now crash directly on that seawall. And still Sandy could not demolish even one house - despite devestating reports from the local gossip.
Anyone familiar with Avalon's history will remember the Avalon Hotel. Home of the Bongo Room and Grease Band. This video ends where that legendary building once stood.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/video?id=8866824 Where did I say "massive damage"? So you've got a bone to pick with the media, cool. I agree they were over the top. But that doesn't mean a lot of people didn't get their shit fucked up. They did, no place to live, and many lost their wheels too. So don't dismiss them as media hype.
and many lost their wheels too. So don't dismiss them as media hype.
Could a Governor and Weather Service not make the obvious any more obvious? On a barrier island, you either evacuate. Or expect to lose the car. Many lost cars because they stupidly stayed. So, yes, that is not just media hype. That is also an ignorant resident.
A few days later, go home. No damage. It was just another inconvenient storm. Reality - few lost their home. Enough to spend a full 45 seconds in a news report.
Where is that New Orleans, Japan, or Aesch type damage? Mythical. Be critical of news reports - the local gossip - devoid of any useful or valid perspective.
It's a barrier island. It has and it will periodically flood. That is not a disaster. And not worth 24 hours of continuous news reports. Sandy was only an inconvenient storm. Expected inconvenience made irrelevant by proper preparation.
So maybe the unreported news should have detailed so many who ignored the Governor and did no proper preparation. No. That would not create hype and increase ratings.
Really?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83105.html
FEMA Director Craig Fugate had a blunt response on Wednesay to his Bush-era predecessor who criticized President Barack Obama’s early preparation for Hurricane Sandy relief efforts.
“It’s better to be fast than to be late,” Fugate said on NPR’s “Morning Edition.”
“In the context of the election, I simply said he should have waited,” Brown said. “The storm was still forming, people were debating whether it was going to be as bad as expected, or not, and I noted that the president should have let the governors and mayors deal with the storm until it got closer to hitting the coastal areas along the Washington, D.C.-New York City corridor.”
Way to go Brownie! Thanks for sticking your head up and reminding all of use of your astounding success and the stellar qualifications that got you appointed to the job.:right:
Fugate worked under Jeb Bush as is considered to be a) non-partisan and b) one of the best disaster guys out there. In Florida he handled many hurricanes, which is what brought him to the attention of Obama.
I cannot freaking believe Brown had the balls to second guess this.
TW, Hoboken NJ is not a barrier island. Neither is NYC. If you want to debate whether some serious effort should be made to shore up defenses against natural disasters instead of being reactive, then I agree. I would not downplay something that has had this much impact in NYC and made so many houses in NJ unlivable.
TW is satisfied with no amount of hurricane.
He's an anti-hurricanite.
I think Katrina was the only one that gave him a little wood.
Now I'm going to say this and then shut up about it:
If you're lucky enough to have a house on the beach, you're lucky enough.
Fin.
The storm was serious (as I said). Which means it should have been reported for five minutes each hour. Instead they canceled all TV to report the 'end of the world'.
Sandy was barely a category one hurricane. Katrina was category five. Katrina was a news story. Sandy was only another Nor'ester storm. But local gossip hyped it like it was Katrina.
Clearly you're enraged about the extensive media coverage of Sandy. Does the routine extensive coverage of even less newsworthy topics get you similarly riled? Do you have no other source of news than the networks?
You could've just turned off the 'end of the world' reports you found so irritating. Live and let live. ;)
TW, Hoboken NJ is not a barrier island. Neither is NYC.
Flooded areas were *clearly* defined in evacuation orders along with barrier islands. Large areas in NYC, et al (including Breezy Point, Lower Manhattan, Red Hook, Staten Island, and NJ waterfront - Hoboken) had orders to evacuate. Because those areas would flood just like barrier islands.
Anyone who did not leave should have expected to lose their car. Anyone who suffered flooding damage should be reconstructing with expectactions of future floods. This was a trivial storm; not a serious hurricane. As demonstrated by so little actual damage. And is a lesson about future threats.
24 constant hours of news hyped victims distressed or crying because they were trapped and flooded. Press forgot to mention: those people ignored orders to evacuate. Or drove through water that was half way up their tires. Logical is to criticize them for intentionally making themselves a victim. Logical is to criticize local gossip reporters for being so unprofessional.
Extremely blunt and justified criticism is directed at the most emotional (ie local gossip news reporters) who failed to be logical. They failed to put everything into perspective. All local stations were more concerned with ratings rather than being news reporters. They even preempted logical news sources to feed the emotional and illogical among us. Defining them as unprofessional is being kind.
You could've just turned off the 'end of the world' reports you found so irritating.
First read what was posted. They even preempted the network news to hype 'end of the world'. Even Fukishima, a real news story, did not get this attention. Explains why so many in the Cellar also denied the Fukushima meltdown. Unprofessional local gossip reporting.
Please stop doing what emotion adolescents do. Posts were blunt, logical, and directed at a problem. With plenty of supporting facts and examples. Including their own video showing almost no damage.
An adult does not invent emotion when blunt facts are the topic. Please stop doing so. Defined were unprofessional reporters. Even their uneditted 'local gossip' video shows a completely different reality. Massive damage, invented by emotional reporters to target an orthodoc, did not exist.
I am criticizing you with the same unemotional and blunt logic that also criticized the local gossip. Expecting you to reply emotionally. Your choice. Read this logically. Or respond like an emotional adolescent. It is intentionally worded to test your ability to remain logical and on topic.
Either stick to the facts. Reply about an unprofessional local gossip. Reply about the massive damage that did not exist. Or post more of your own emotions. Your choice. Worded to make it easier for you to demonstrate emotion. Your choice.
richlevy's post on Brownie's comments are an example of hard logic that targets the topic. He is posting relevant facts.
i hear they have cadaver dogs out in ocean city nj
i hear they have cadaver dogs out in ocean city nj
How many people are missing? Any reason provided for deploying those dogs? Or just usual procedure?
What the hell is the purpose of dead dogs? Flotation devices? :confused:
I don't remember the details, except that there are people missing where it couldn't be determined whether they evacuated.
Yes, some people are missing. Also, some caskets have been unearthed that were buried. And then there are some human remains that no one knew about that are popping up.
Might as well find em all and put em where they belong. And don't forget that Jimmy Hoffa is still missing!
And then there are some human remains that no one knew about that are popping up.
Margate, Ventnor, and Brigatine. A mafia that controlled Atlantic City lived in those towns.
Could a Governor and Weather Service not make the obvious any more obvious? On a barrier island, you either evacuate. Or expect to lose the car. Many lost cars because they stupidly stayed. So, yes, that is not just media hype. That is also an ignorant resident.
There was a hell of a lot of people affected that weren't on barrier islands, both with flooding and car loss.
A few days later, go home. No damage. It was just another inconvenient storm. Reality - few lost their home. Enough to spend a full 45 seconds in a news report.
No damage? You have obviously never suffered the aftermath of water/sewage flowing through your house. Although the house looks intact, the damage is extensive and expensive, making the house uninhabitable until it's cleaned/repaired.
Another tw rant about the TV media coverage, which nobody is denying.
@tw: you are in error.
I made an observation, based on your repeatedly-expressed opinion (not fact) that 5 min/hour of storm coverage should have been sufficient. There was no emotion in my post, merely an observation, a couple of questions, and a suggestion.
Richlevy's post, on the other hand, contained considerable emotion. The emotion made it a better post, in my opinion, than if he had attempted to keep strictly to facts. It gave us more insight into his thinking. The purpose of communication, after all, is not limited to the back and forth presentation of fact alone. Your posts are filled with opinion and emotion.
That said, I believe you have a difficult time accurately identifying emotions (this is an opinion, not a fact, but neither is it an expression of emotion). You also are confusing opinion with fact when you tell me to stick to the facts and then want me to reply about unprofessional media coverage (unprofessional being an opinion; perhaps you meant to say inaccurate?) and massive damage 'that did not exist' (again, your opinion despite your provided photos - other evidence exists that belies your claim).
I disagree with your self-congratulatory assessment of your wording as a 'test' of my ability to 'remain logical'. You have inaccurately labeled my post as 'emotional' as a way of dismissing it without actually responding to its content. Your dismissal of emotion as 'adolescent' is invalid, but revealing. Your wording, in fact your entire post, demonstrates transference: you attribute to me that which in fact pertains to you. Your posts throughout this thread have been filled with opinion and emotion.
I decline to participate further in a conversation in which you demonstrate an inability to differentiate between fact, opinion, and emotion and attempt to compensate for that lack by resorting to personal insult. Fact, opinion, and emotion have their place; including more than one of them in a post enhances communication (see the post from richlevy). Personal insult is unworthy of intelligent conversation and/or debate.
There was a hell of a lot of people affected that weren't on barrier islands, both with flooding and car loss.
No damage? You have obviously never suffered the aftermath of water/sewage flowing through your house. Although the house looks intact, the damage is extensive and expensive, making the house uninhabitable until it's cleaned/repaired.
Thanks for this combination of fact, opinion, and emotion, Bruce. Amazing how the three make for an extremely effective post.
:rolleyes:
What the hell is the purpose of dead dogs? Flotation devices? :confused:
:lol:
@tw: you are in error.
I made an observation, based on your repeatedly-expressed opinion (not fact) that 5 min/hour of storm coverage should have been sufficient. There was no emotion in my post, merely an observation, a couple of questions, and a suggestion.
Richlevy's post, on the other hand, contained considerable emotion. The emotion made it a better post, in my opinion, than if he had attempted to keep strictly to facts. It gave us more insight into his thinking. The purpose of communication, after all, is not limited to the back and forth presentation of fact alone. Your posts are filled with opinion and emotion.
That said, I believe you have a difficult time accurately identifying emotions (this is an opinion, not a fact, but neither is it an expression of emotion). You also are confusing opinion with fact when you tell me to stick to the facts and then want me to reply about unprofessional media coverage (unprofessional being an opinion; perhaps you meant to say inaccurate?) and massive damage 'that did not exist' (again, your opinion despite your provided photos - other evidence exists that belies your claim).
I disagree with your self-congratulatory assessment of your wording as a 'test' of my ability to 'remain logical'. You have inaccurately labeled my post as 'emotional' as a way of dismissing it without actually responding to its content. Your dismissal of emotion as 'adolescent' is invalid, but revealing. Your wording, in fact your entire post, demonstrates transference: you attribute to me that which in fact pertains to you. Your posts throughout this thread have been filled with opinion and emotion.
I decline to participate further in a conversation in which you demonstrate an inability to differentiate between fact, opinion, and emotion and attempt to compensate for that lack by resorting to personal insult. Fact, opinion, and emotion have their place; including more than one of them in a post enhances communication (see the post from richlevy). Personal insult is unworthy of intelligent conversation and/or debate.
you know what gruesome thing I was wondering? when that storm hit long island, I wondered if they'd find any more of those missing 'working girls' that seem to have been dumped in the nasty cluster of brush alongside the highway out there.
Creepy thought, I know. But I'm fascinated by whoever has done this serial killing. He's even called the sister of one of his victims-numerous times-to taunt her. He called her from Times Square so they couldn't get an ID on him.
I really want to know what this guy's deal is.
No damage? You have obviously never suffered the aftermath of water/sewage flowing through your house.
Where are all those houses so low as to have sewage backing up inside? They are on stilts. No sewage or flood waters inside a house - except where built defectively. But again, to repeat the point. If this lesser storm caused that damage, then what would one do when an actual serious storm occurs?
So every car on every street was destroyed by falling trees? Nonsense. Isolated cars crushed by trees is not even a news event. Routine loss that many suffer in a storm. While most others do not. I even had a cement truck take out one. Three fire trucks, electric trucks, cable trucks, three police cars, etc were all on the scene. It was a traffic jam. Why not reported by the local gossip? Cars destroyed by falling trees: just another car crash. Not even a news story.
Household destruction (ie sewage in the building) begs the obvious question. What were you going to do when a really serious storm approaches? That (and not the hype) is a news story not reported by local gossip.
Other more responsible news sources are reporting what may actually become a major problem. Not trivial damage on the Jersey coast. Extreme damage to NYC's electrical infastructure. Key details include two major substations at 14th Street and 23?rd Street. A news story about something that was a concern even before New Orleans. Things that NYC's 'powers that be' need 20+ years to address. Well apparently they will now get more attention. Because a Nor'easter located over 100 miles away demonstrated why technical people were so accurately concerned. Damage, in part, because the 'powers that be' did not sufficiently address this problem. A news story unreported by local gossip's 24 hours of 'end of the world' reporting.
Crushed cars pictures are relevant to those who want to be emotional - ie orthodoc who took the bait. Even to homeowners, it is only a routine event in life. Sewage inside a house is the warning for homeowners who need to get prepared for an actual hurricane. Proper perspective also means viewing what may become a real news story. Electrical problems in NYC and in Northern NJ. Far from South Jersey where the 'end of the world' was being hyped. Over 100 miles from Sandy's eye.
I'm wondering about the fires at Breezy Point.
1. Genuine accident.
2. Arson by looters destroying evidence.
3. Arson by homeowners who are insured for fire but not for storm/flood damage.
:eyebrow:
It must be tough being a firefighter, having to wade through two feet of water in storm to get to a house that is on fire, AND trying to keep a straight face and not say "#$%& it, lets go for a beer".
Firefighters have to take a special course in dealing with irony.
Other more responsible news sources are reporting what may actually become a major problem. Not trivial damage on the Jersey coast.
You're so wound up about the news coverage, you dismiss all the people who suffered losses from this storm that don't live on the Jersey coast.:rolleyes:
Speaking of which, is this whole thing just God's wrath about Jersey Shore?
Yes, god finally got a chance to watch "Jersey Shore" on TV.;)
Sandy is payback for Snooki.
Fair enough.
I read a little snippet in the commuter paper on the Metro about another Nor'easter that's forming and is supposed to hit the mid Atlantic in the middle of next week.
Can't seem to find anything about it online right now, but boy, that would suck. That region doesn't really need any more wind and rain right now.
I read a little snippet in the commuter paper on the Metro about another Nor'easter that's forming and is supposed to hit the mid Atlantic in the middle of next week.
Can't seem to find anything about it online right now, but boy, that would suck. That region doesn't really need any more wind and rain right now.
But all the science isn't it, glatt! It will take YEARS for all the science to be in and THEN we'll know if global warming is real.
Take care now.
By then, there won't be anyone left in the US who knows science. Kids today...
I was reading that Hurricane Sandy could cost the US $50b. I'm wondering if it might be cheaper to outsource our hurricanes to China or India.
Romney will stand up to China. Don't you know that?
Sandy, and for that matter ALL extreme weather, is
all the fault of GLBTQ.
And now you know why.
That's true, Brian,
that's true. :haha:
From the NY Times...
Fifteen people in the Far Rockaway section of Queens and nine in Coney Island were charged with burglary and other offenses in connection with looting at stores. Among them was a 29-year-old woman who faced a weapons charge “after the safe she was carrying from a store was found to contain a firearm,” Mr. Browne said.
HA ha, karma's a bitch. This isn't stealing food for survival, no excuse for stealing a safe (probably a strongbox). She's going to find out the punishment for weapons charges in NYC, are a
minimum of 3.5 years in jail.
Romney will stand up to China. Don't you know that?
Yeah, he'll
work them to death.
Oh thanks Griff, now I'm so fucking angry I'll never get to sleep.:mad2:
Try one of the new "Hurricane Sandy" cocktails.
It's really just a watery Manhattan.
:bolt:
Try one of the new "Hurricane Sandy" cocktails.
It's really just a watery Manhattan.
:bolt:
that right there is funneh.
Plus, I swiped it.
Try one of the new "Hurricane Sandy" cocktails.
It's really just a watery Manhattan.
:bolt:
:lol: I'm swiping this, too.
Oh thanks Griff, now I'm so fucking angry I'll never get to sleep.:mad2:
Yeah, that is some evil shit, but we'll never get Romney's full financials so...
Was Hurricane Sandy a message from God for liberals to mend their wicked ways??
:D
Gee, why didn't I think of that when Katrina hit ?
I could have had a V8.
Try one of the new "Hurricane Sandy" cocktails.
It's really just a watery Manhattan.
:bolt:
bwaaahahahahahahahaha!!!
and I fucking stole it too!
:D
Gee, why didn't I think of that when Katrina hit ?
I could have had a V8.
That's true. Katrina did most of its damage in Democtrat pockets such as Ward 9.
Truthfully, I was just spoofing the Islamic Clerics who are claiming Sandy was sent by Allah to punish America
Was Hurricane Sandy a message from God for liberals to mend their wicked ways??
Muslims tried to build a mosque in lower Manhattan. So god washed Manhattan clean. God promised Lower Manhattan to his people. (Is that why Manhattan has so many Jews?)
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so, *so* funny!
Muslims tried to build a mosque in lower Manhattan. So god washed Manhattan clean. God promised Lower Manhattan to his people. (Is that why Manhattan has so many Jews?)
That is our second "Promised Land". Now that it has been cleansed, we will begin building settlements
I should probably fess up to stealing that cocktail joke in the first place. :D
That is our second "Promised Land". Now that it has been cleansed, we will begin building settlements
We may be too late. Rats have already occupied the Promise Land. So who are god's favorite creatures?
I should probably fess up to stealing that cocktail joke in the first place. :D
Absolutely not, jokes are made to be told and retold. How often has anyone, other than a pro, ever told you a joke you though they made up? Not many, I'll bet.
No, if you hear a good joke, it's your moral obligation to pass it on to as many as possible. :thumb:
It seems that the Philly area is reaping economic benefits from Sandy. Hardware stores and car dealerships are doing loads of business.
Cleaning up a week later...
Something about this picture of crap being thrown away that puzzles me. I've seen it in pictures from other floods, large and small, also. I see things that could be easily cleaned and sterilized, and wonder if they just want new stuff, or it was in the cellar/garage and decided to finally let it go, or something else?
Maybe the smell just never goes away (like with cat urine).
Its probably a question of insurance. I helped a friend hit all her washable furniture with bleach, since she had no insurance. Others who were well covered just curbed it all.
Hurricane Sandy, foolishly called a 'superstorm', was a Category 'near zero' hurricane. But it did much damage in some tiny areas.
FEMA has now revised their maps on what was damaged and what is necessary to build safely. Those inspired by hype saw pictures of houses in Mantoloking washed from their foundations. Having visited the devastated areas, I could easily provide pictures showing massive damage. But that was isolated and in places where no homes should have existed.
For example, many of those towns are so improperly constructed that roads literally climb up on the dunes to access homes on the ocean. In responsible towns, homes are built back from the dunes. But since homes were built foolishly, then we should call the 'near zero' hurricane a superstorm?
Well, FEMA has just come forth with maps. For example, Seaside Heights suffered near zero damage. But Ortley Beach, the next town north, had some small areas devastated. New FEMA standards apply to many New Jersey towns.
The town of Highlands was foolishly constructed. Its entire business district will be buried in yards (implies at least six feet or 2 meters) of sand for $25million. And then new buildings will be constructed where no buildings should have existed.
All homes in Mantoloking must be raised nine feet (3 meters) higher. Homes in the inland parts of Point Pleasant must be raised 6 to 8 feet. Otherwise insurance rates increase by an average $20,000 annually.
As reported earlier, little damage occurred where the strongest parts of Sandy made landfall. View
the weather radar as Sandy made landfall. An arrow points to Avalon and Stone Harbor. (Eye traveled just below MIV and ILG). Go north towards LGA (LaGuardia Airport). Where clear skies get close to rainfall (green) is where Mantoloking is located. They suffered less hurricane force. And most damage. Why? FEMA is now saying with numbers that Mantoloking - a tribute to people with contempt for science - must raise their buildings … by nine feet.
I visited the Mantoloking Post Office. Located along the back bay where wind and resulting waves were trivial. It suffered normal flooding damage. Water was up to building’s ceiling. Even a Post Office was constructed where buildings must be disposable.
View above numbers. A building not properly raised means an insurance bill increases another $20,000. Sanity thanks to Sandy.
