Shark Enclosures

Aliantha • Sep 3, 2012 7:45 pm
Here's a couple of articles spawned from a report Dazza wrote discussing shark attack mitigation in Western Australia.

It's becoming quite a controversial issue with the greenies wanting to save the sharks and the rest of the country wanting to kill them all off.

Sky News

Perth Newspaper

ABC News

The Australian
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 3, 2012 8:18 pm
They're making headlines on Cape Cod, Massachusetts, with an influx of 14 to 18 foot Great Whites.
Twenty years ago they said you can't mess with the seals. Consequently the rookeries along Long Island, New York, and Cape Cod have exploded. The fishermen have been pissed off for a decade, because the seals have messed up fishing, and boaters because if the seals decide your boat is a nice place to haul out, you're screwed, you can't even shoo they away.

For the big sharks, seals are Fillet Mignon, pizza, and bon-bons, all in one, so everybody knows this influx isn't temporary. They get some tourists shark watching, but most of the desperately needed tourists, want to swim.

You should look into Dazza getting a grant to study the Cape Cod problem, and of course bring his staff (you & kids) to the US next summer.;)
Aliantha • Sep 3, 2012 8:49 pm
Shite! I wouldn't like to be in that kayak!
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 3, 2012 8:56 pm
The guy in the kayak, tourist from New Jersey, had never been in a kayak before. The people on the beach and the guy on the board were yelling at him until he finally turned around to look. I wonder if he rinsed out the kayak before returning it? :lol:
Aliantha • Sep 3, 2012 9:09 pm
haha...probably would have been advisable.

I'll bet it was the last time he went in a kayak on the ocean too.
DucksNuts • Sep 3, 2012 9:35 pm
How come Dazza didnt get a mention?
Aliantha • Sep 3, 2012 9:41 pm
Mention where mate? I put his name in the OP. I think he's going to get more and more mentions as this story unfolds to be honest. He's been told that the minister wants to make it an election issue.
DucksNuts • Sep 3, 2012 9:59 pm
I thought he wrote the article I read on facebook, but couldnt see his name in the articles....these articles are the spinoff of his report/findings?

Does he think they will go with the enclosure idea? I dont think we should be killing sharks so people can swim in their environment.

I wouldnt swim in crocodile infested waters unless I was ready to be lunch.
Aliantha • Sep 3, 2012 10:07 pm
No, he didn't write them. You're correct that these are the spin off from his report.

I don't think they've told him yet, and in all likelihood, they wont decide till after the next state election in WA which is next year I think, so nothing will happen this summer.

My opinion is the same as yours about it being their environment, but a lot of people don't see it that way. Dazza feels more or less the same, but I've just been talking to him by email about seal colonies in WA, and how they're affecting shark numbers just like in Cape Cod as Bruce mentioned.

Dazza's main point is generally that if you change one thing in the environment, there's going to be consequences, such as sharks coming closer etc. That's why people should consider very carefully before they upset the balance of nature. Even if they think what they're doing can't possibly have an effect, it usually does sooner or later.
ZenGum • Sep 3, 2012 10:15 pm
More people die while doing recreational fishing than get taken by sharks. Statistically, sharks barely rate a mention, but they make awesome headlines with scary pictures. Politicians who want to pander to public fears have an easy target.
Aliantha • Sep 3, 2012 10:28 pm
Oh there's lots of things that'll kill you quicker than sharks will.

Imagine the irony of a lifetime smoker staying out of the water from fear of a shark attack!


eta: it's those dumb rock fishermen that bring that rec fishing fatality number up. Stupid buggers should realise it's a risky pass time, but they don't seem to.
Trilby • Sep 5, 2012 2:03 pm
"I will say it again: I am against recreational whale torture,"

guess where that line came from?

I"ll give you two dollars if you guess right.
BigV • Sep 5, 2012 3:04 pm
your wallet?
Trilby • Sep 6, 2012 7:35 am
No! Gah! Do you people spend ALL your time reading fantasy/sci-fi?

It's from a TV show. A very funny one. Edie Falco's character said it but it wasn't on the Sopranos.
tw • Sep 6, 2012 7:04 pm
Everyone has respect for a killer joke.
Aliantha • Sep 6, 2012 7:14 pm
I have a question for anyone else who happens to look here. I'm just wondering, cause I've mentioned or posted about Dazza's work plenty of times for one reason or another.

How many of you have actually googled him to see if what I'm saying is true or whatever?
ZenGum • Sep 6, 2012 8:41 pm
Not me. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 7, 2012 2:45 am
No reason to doubt, it's not like you're collecting money or souls. :)
Aliantha • Sep 7, 2012 4:08 am
lol no. I just wondered cause it occurred to me that I'd provided his full name on a number of occasions, so was curious about who might be curious.
Trilby • Sep 7, 2012 8:57 am
I took it on faith. If you say Dazza did it, he did it. you don't lie, Ali.


We may not always agree - but you certainly don't make stuff UP.
Razzmatazz13 • Sep 7, 2012 5:22 pm
Ali, you could tell me Dazza was the guy who invented cheese and I'd believe you... but then... I believe everyone on the cellar.
DucksNuts • Sep 8, 2012 6:16 am
Never looked either.

I mean, youre a smart chick....if you were going to make shit up, Id expect you to make it SUPER exciting...not that Im dissing Dazza's chosen career....
ZenGum • Sep 8, 2012 6:18 am
Actually, I know you're making it up, I just think it is more fun to play along. ;)

I mean, sharks are just something we make up to thrill the tourists, like drop bears, right?
Trilby • Sep 8, 2012 8:17 am
ZenGum;829244 wrote:
Actually, I know you're making it up, I just think it is more fun to play along. ;)

I mean, sharks are just something we make up to thrill the tourists, like drop bears, right?


Ok. I will admit to disbelieving Zen and Ducks when they post impossible looking animals in the Animal Alphabet threat but it's only because they clearly are making animals up using some sort of computer wizardry. Plus, Zen has been known to lie a LOT since coming to the cellar. The truth hurts, Zen, but it will set you free.

and don't think I don't know about drop bears. I do know. Winnie the Pooh explained all about them only they aren't bears they are jagulars.
ZenGum • Sep 8, 2012 8:49 am
Brianna;829259 wrote:
they aren't bears they are jagulars.


True, they're called that because they go straight for your jagular.
Trilby • Sep 8, 2012 3:19 pm
ZenGum;829261 wrote:
True, they're called that because they go straight for your jagular.


I thought they called out "Hallloooooooo!" from the tree tops and then, when you looked up, they dropped on you.
Aliantha • Sep 8, 2012 6:42 pm
Ok, who's Trilby? Bloody name changes. I suppose I'm the only one in the dark about who it is again? lol
Trilby • Sep 8, 2012 6:55 pm
It's me, Brianna.

I'm feeling more like a Trilby now. It's both a hat (nice!) and the name of the woman Svenghali hypnotized into his power. I feel like Trilby sometimes when an overwhelming Evil Twin urge overcomes me and besides I think I've outgrown Brianna. I AM a :crone: you know young lady!



I'll answer to Tril, though, or Trillion. I like Trillion, too - from Douglas Adams.
Aliantha • Sep 9, 2012 1:33 am
Ooooh...yes. Well, Trilby is nice. We have a law firm over here called Trilby Misso. They're ambulance chasers. Each time I've seen Trilby I've thought of them. lol
DucksNuts • Sep 9, 2012 4:47 am
Trilbo?

Its an Aussie thing, we add "bo" to the end of things....we call names "nicknames", which is weird because usually we make the original name longer, rather than shorter.
Trilby • Sep 9, 2012 7:27 am
DucksNuts;829386 wrote:
Trilbo?

Its an Aussie thing, we add "bo" to the end of things....we call names "nicknames", which is weird because usually we make the original name longer, rather than shorter.


Plus you make up unbelievable animals and try to pass them off in the Alphabet Animal thread! You hussies!!


H is for Hussie!
Lamplighter • Sep 9, 2012 10:15 am
I just read the OP and it's first link
http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p=828142&postcount=1

'Shark enclosures, however, are more suited to Western Australian wave conditions,
do not silt up with sand and seaweed and do not result in by-catch of protected species,
but would also be extremely costly to build and maintain,' the WA government said in a statement on Monday.


I know that they used to cause some people problems on late night television,
but I had no idea the Aussies were so concerned about Land Sharks