Children of Satan Vs Children of God.

A random thought of a callus of wickedness that runs deed within the bones of the dead?? Not quite!! Who are Gods Children?? The answer is defined by the way one lives there life. I can claim to be a Christian, and yes I believe Christians are Gods Children. Just as well as Jews are Gods Chosen people, but only the ones who make it to Heaven are actually Gods Children. What makes the difference in some one who is Hell Bound (Satan's Children). VS Someone who is Heaven Bound (God's Children). I think it's as simple as Black and White. I can believe in a lie or I can believe in truth. God is The Truth, and the truth never lies. So Now, I find my self struggling with a lying spirit. The lie is that I am Satan's Child. The Truth is Jesus Loves ME Just as Much as he loves anyone else. It's a matter of who do I believe an how do I discern these spirits that I am being troubled with. I believe that in the past that I left behind I was heading down a highway to hell. Now I am getting off that highway and turning around. "180degrees" it's called REPENTANCE. So where do you stand as Satan's Child or God's Child. It's a disturbing question to ask as well as a disturbing question to answer so why don't you give it a try.

If the truth is that Jesus loves me just as much as everyone else, and he died for everyone...then the question is irrelevant.

Not necessarily, you have a choice in the matter, you don't have to believe it. Have you ever read the book of revelation?? Not everyone makes it to heaven my friend. There is a certain amount of discipline that comes with the territory.

What about hobbits?

If you had never heard of God or Satan... like REALLY never heard of them.

you'd still know right from wrong, wouldn't you? You'd still recognize Evil in people's deeds, and Good.

Do the labels make a difference?

I think of it like a branching path. you begin your life in the center. you're neither good or evil. you make decisions as they come. each decision lies on one side or the other of the path, to varying degrees. the more decisions you make that lie on the side of evil, the more likely you are to continue to make those choices.

You may encounter some major event or philosophy that teaches you that you've been going the wrong way, and then you begin making the right choices... finding your way back to the 'good' side.

your struggles, JB, seem rooted in the fictional aspects of the Xtian religion. It's all allegory. Just do the right thing, and forget about the labels.

Nice post, jim. :)

JB, I told you not to get all hung up on the Book of Revelation and stuff like that. It isn't good for you. Focus more on the gospels and Jesus and his message of love. And keep reading widely - human interest things, novels, maybe a bit of history or popular science.

Not Catcher in the Rye.

Keep Your Laws Off My Body

I'd really like to know what you mean by that?? I feel like you are upset with me because I have a link to FIND LAW on my site?? ANy realation??

JBKlyde;800740 wrote:

I'd really like to know what you mean by that?? I feel like you are upset with me because I have a link to FIND LAW on my site?? ANy realation??

Oh no, not at all. It was a bumper sticker I saw years ago, and with the recent debates about contraception (women's rights) and such, I thought it was a pertinent signature.

It had nothing to do with you or your posts. :)

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Black and Satanic, red and white
They're all precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world

Whether you're rich or whether you're poor
It matters not to Him
He remembers where you're going
Not where you've been

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Black and Satanic, red and white
They're all precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world

If your heart is troubled
Don't worry, don't you fret
He knows that you have heard His call
And he won't forget

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Black and Satanic, red and white
They're all precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world

All around the world tonight
His children rest assured
That He will watch and He will keep us
Safe and secure

Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Black and Satanic, red and white
They're all precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world

Revelation was not originally a part of the Holy Bible.

Wikipedia

According to Denzinger, Revelation was accepted into the canon at the Council of Carthage of 397 AD, according to McDonald & Sanders it was added at the later 419 council. Revelation's place in the canon was not guaranteed, however, with doubts raised as far back as the 2nd century about its character, symbolism, and apostolic authorship.

There's a monkey wrench, eh? Not God, but Men decided it should be in there.

But it was the pope who ultimately agreed with the council to put it in, see? And just like "if the President does it, it's lawful," so too "if the pope says it, it's [strike]godawful[/strike] godly."


JB, you seem to have quite a lot invested in whether other people go to heaven. I think that this part:

So Now, I find my self struggling with a lying spirit. The lie is that I am Satan's Child. The Truth is Jesus Loves ME Just as Much as he loves anyone else.

is what you need to focus on. If you are struggling with feelings of self-worth, explore that and by all means rely on God's love to lift you up. But quit worrying about Satan, and quit thinking about which other groups of people might or might not be in heaven with you.

I think you have to consider that I've been "sweating blood" over this.. and now everyone thinks I'm this pathetic pig stench, but the insecurity is just so intense that I find myself in a situation where my nightmares are controlling me. I dunno apparently this is all stereotypical of a skitzofrientic so I am learning to deal with it... yea of coarse you reap what you sew and I have sewed some ungodly seeds so maybe the false hood will dissipate now that I have gotten myself into a situation where I am stable.

the fact this thread hasn't being trolled to death and flamed on a crucifix in the two days since its creation is a testimony to the tolerance of the community (or the inactivity).

JB,

I don't think any of us have walked even a half mile in your shoes, so it's hard to know what you're dealing with inside your head. We can only go on what you post, and we can only react from the perspective we have.

I, personally, don't understand the religious obsession. I don't know if that's a derivative of your condition or your upbringing. I DO know that religion was created by man. To control other men. If you can't see that, you can't escape it.

All religion means to me is to "practice" and practice makes perfect.. the term religion seems to be becoming a catch phrase of false hood in the fact that no one wants to be considered "religious"... for me it's just an opportunity to unite all denominations under the umbrella of Christianity by saying I belong to the Religion of Christ. I dunno we can either unite as a people to destroy evil or we can unite as a people to save souls. Seeing what happen in England where everyone who didn't believe got beheaded I would per-fer to unite to "save souls". Pure Christian Religion is what I aim for.

*grits teeth*

I must not correct historical inaccuracy
I must not correct historical inaccuracy
I must not...

JBKlyde;800740 wrote:

I'd really like to know what you mean by that?? I feel like you are upset with me because I have a link to FIND LAW on my site?? ANy realation??

Mark Twain writing about the Hawaiian legislature in 1866.

The mental caliber of the Legislative Assembly is up to the average of such bodies the world over - and I wish it were a compliment to say it, but it is hardly so. I have seen a number of Legislatures, and there was a comfortable majority in each of them that knew just about enough to come in when it rained, and that was all. Few men of first class ability can afford to let their affairs go to ruin while they fool away their time in Legislatures for months on a stretch. Few such men care a straw for the small-beer distinction one is able to achieve in such a place. But your chattering, one-horse village lawyer likes it, and your solemn ass from the cow counties, who don't know the Constitution from the Lord's Prayer, enjoys it, and these you will always find in the Assembly - the one gabble, gabble, gabbling threadbare platitudes and "give-me-liberty-or-give me-death" buncombe from morning till night, and the other asleep, with his slab-soled brogans set up like a couple of grave-stones on the top of his desk.

The current crop of candidates seem to think the latter takes precedence.

*grits teeth*

I must not correct historical inaccuracy
I must not correct historical inaccuracy
I must not...

you should

Seeing what happen in England where everyone who didn't believe got beheaded

This is simply not true.

Oh come now, the nonbelievers must beheaded somewhere or things would come to a halt!

Stop ahead.

They were bee headed

:D - touche

DanaC;801274 wrote:

This is simply not true.

Yes it is. I saw it on Tudors. ;)

Let me rephrase this..

All religion means to me is to "practice" and practice makes perfect.. the term religion seems to be becoming a catch phrase of false hood in the fact that no one wants to be considered "religious"... for me it's just an opportunity to unite all denominations under the umbrella of Christianity by saying I belong to the Religion of Christ. I dunno we can either unite as a people to destroy evil or we can unite as a people to save souls. Seeing what happen in England where everyone who was considered evil got beheaded I would per-fer to unite to "save souls". Pure Christian Religion is what I aim for.

JBKlyde;801492 wrote:

Let me rephrase this..

All religion means to me is to "practice" and practice makes perfect..

This is one of those false associations I was telling you about. The "practice" of religion is not the same sort of "practice" of repetitive learning that approaches perfection.

None of us are perfect people, we never will be; don't beat yourself up about failing to be perfect.

Don't expect the practice of religion to make you perfect. Look at the behaviour of many devoutly religious people ... terrorism, murder, torture, gencide ...

Maintaining human sympathy is IMHO the best way to not be an evil prick.

Seeing what happen in England where everyone who was considered evil got beheaded ....

Still historically inaccurate. Everyone? beheaded? etc.
It was much more about politics, power and control than about "Good" Vs "Evil". The "evil" bit was just the excuse for getting rid of enemies and rivals.

Still historically inaccurate. Everyone? beheaded? etc.
It was much more about politics, power and control than about "Good" Vs "Evil". The "evil" bit was just the excuse for getting rid of enemies and rivals

That's exactly my point. When you use God and Religion as a means to "control" without acknowledging that Heaven RULES and without the intent to 'save souls' then YOU ARE EVIL.

ZenGum;801495 wrote:

The "evil" bit was just the excuse for getting rid of enemies and rivals.

And wives.

JBKlyde;801508 wrote:

That's exactly my point. When you use God and Religion as a means to "control" without acknowledging that Heaven RULES and without the intent to 'save souls' then YOU ARE EVIL.

I used to save them, but ran out of places to keep them.

HungLikeJesus;801515 wrote:

And wives.

:lol: Although you might say that had already been covered under "enemies". :D

I used to save them, but ran out of places to keep them.

Quit whining. Souls fit in a jam jar. A dead hobo takes up half a freezer.

Sorry to derail your thread, JB.

ZenGum;801516 wrote:

:lol: ... Quit whining. Souls fit in a jam jar. A dead hobo takes up half a freezer.

Which is all well and fine until your floor-to-ceiling soul-filled jam jar pyramid collapses and traps you in your living room, leaving you waiting for salvation.

you know i am increasingly interested in having the communal affect of religion, it's just so difficult to feel genuine about it when even your "amen" includes lying through your teeth...

There are other ways to get that sense of community.

HungLikeJesus;801534 wrote:

Which is all well and fine until your floor-to-ceiling soul-filled jam jar pyramid collapses and traps you in your living room, leaving you waiting for salvation.

Well you've obviously never been buried under an avalanche of hobo corpses after your attic gives way, leaving you with no choice but to eat your way out over three long months.

DanaC;801578 wrote:

There are other ways to get that sense of community.

that's not very detailed...

Team sports?

Group sex?

Hobo-killin gang?

Like, a normal group of people who hang out with each other a lot and care about each other and stuff?

1) Leave your residence
2) Go to places you enjoy
3) Meet others there who must also enjoy those places
4) Start a conversation
5) Repeat as necessary

Forums on the Internets

ZenGum;801516 wrote:

:lol: Although you might say that had already been covered under "enemies". :D
--snip

Enemies with benefits, perhaps, no?