Terrorism, and the politics of of War
How do you make peace with an enemy that you don't negotiate with??
I think at one point you have to stop and consider that the "experts" of war must have this figured out. But at another point you have to figure that if we the people don't put in our 2 since then, why do we even bother to be free. SO here's my 2 since. "Totally Annihilate" them. The way I see it God sees us all like cocha roaches and he can stomp us all out any time he wants. The Irony behind this is that we can destroy tank from 20 miles high with pin point accuracy but we can't kill the gd cocha roaches.. \
qcc??
Y'know, starting conversations on nuanced and complex geopolitical issues would be easier if you would speak fucking english.
On the other hand, yeah, I think political dialogue is important. Even if you disagree with your opponents' points of view, it's important to understand them.
Y'know, starting conversations on nuanced and complex geopolitical issues would be easier if you would speak fucking english.
Oh, I don't know. I think he has a point. We can send a man to the moon but we can't safely get rid of pestilence i.e. cockroaches.
Simplest terms and cliche are sometimes all 'it boils down to.' ;)
Because seriously...it seems mankind can do anything except the simplest of things.
but that's not what he said, monk. I don't know what the nationality or native tongue of JBKlyde may be, but I think he is either deliberately being opaque and indecipherable, or he needs to at the very least lean a little harder on spellcheck and dictionary.com if he wants to try to spark complex or nuanced debate.
Ibram, you've not been paying too much attention to JBK, have you? This is his regular patois, he's not being especially opaque. He's something of an acquired taste. There are other posts/threads that are considerably more incomprehensible than this one.
He's the differently oddly written UG of sorts.
Yeah, he's hard to categorize. I was reading back on his posts and he's said some really good stuff, some funny stuff, some confusing stuff. But he admits to all of it and that makes him cool in my book. :)
Oh sorry, I was talking about you right in front of your face, JBK. ;)
He's alright.
Ibram, you've not been paying too much attention to JBK, have you? This is his regular patois, he's not being especially opaque. He's something of an acquired taste. There are other posts/threads that are considerably more incomprehensible than this one.
That's sort of my point. I DON'T just mean in this thread - i agree this is slightly more sensical than most of them - I mean in general. I don't have much respect for deliberate nonsensicality. At least make an effort to engage and converse in a legitimate fashion.
It's called "dip theory" the diplomacy of the net.. I'm trying to start an artistic revolution called "abstract realism" so I just speak my mind and try to be a leader. Of coarse I'm broke as a joke and no one really cares
what I think so I just try to have fun with my words. It's all in the name of fun love and the artistic revolutionary in all of us.. People on the net I have encountered are really stubborn so it's kind of like pulling teeth only I write off most of the nonsense I post as research because that's what net was designed for.
That, to me, doesn't sound like a member of a community. It sounds like a troll. I'm all for the avantgarde edge of artistic expression - but if I came here calling myself R.Mutt and responded to every post with only profanity, for example, it wouldn't be conducive to a vibrant community, regardless of its artistic validity. If communication is the last thing on JBKlyde's mind, if all he's here for is to be as incomprehensible as possible, that will NOT lead to positive and stimulating conversations - or if it does, it will be IN SPITE of his contributions.
I think you really need to consider that I am under educated... I took one class on "netiquette" in college and I passed it but I flunked out a year later... I'm living with a mental disability and I really don't know how I'm supposed to act.. I'd even go as far as to say that I am in-fact the Helen Keller of the world wide web.
Its not just netiquette. i do want to apologise for failing to consider disability - but that said, if you made it as far as college, you should be able to write plain english. Think about making a post like trying to write an essay. If anything you wrote in an essay was unclear or "associative" or "abstract" it would be marked down, right? Well, when you're trying to communicate a position or opinion, it doesn't help your point to be unclear or confusing - it only leads to your opinion or even character being rejected on that basis. Take, for example, your vaguely offensive thread I quoted earlier. What the FUCK were you trying to say in the opening post? If the answer can't be expressed clearly, in a way that any other member of the forum can understand, why post it?
How do you make peace with an enemy that you don't negotiate with?
SO here's my 2 [strike]since.[/strike] cents "Totally Annihilate" them. ~snip ~ like cocha roaches
Then a little irony/humor-
we can destroy tank from 20 miles high with pin point accuracy but we can't kill the gd cocha roaches..
Thats what I got anyway.
There's a certain amount of addiction that comes along with the net... I suppose it's has something to do with the "great unknown" and the risks that come along with being young wild and free.. I guess I'm sort of addicted to writing on the net so I always try to make something out of nothing for the love of the written word...
Its not just netiquette. i do want to apologise for failing to consider disability - but that said, if you made it as far as college, you should be able to write plain english.
Ibs, JBKlyde is schizophrenic, and currently off his meds. Several dwellars have tried to convince him to go back on them, but so far to no avail. I imagine that when he is on his meds, he is a good deal more coherent.
Ibs, JBKlyde is schizophrenic, and currently off his meds. Several dwellars have tried to convince him to go back on them, but so far to no avail. I imagine that when he is on his meds, he is a good deal more coherent.
How would you know? I take my meds exactly how my doctor tells me to.. that's just your excuse to be ignorant and not deal with the issues I'm raising...
It isn't, JB, really it isn't.
So...are you sayiing we should annihilate them all like cockroaches...or are you saying our leaders should start engaging in more diplomatic solutions?
As someone who has "gone off" my meds and found myself the better for it in the past, I trust JB to at least have responsibility for his psychological and medical health. Which is why, again, I say - MAKE THE EFFORT to communicate effectively and coherently, because I firmly believe you're capable, when you don't "write off most of the nonsense [you] post as research".
And yes, part of the reason I took this thread as an opportunity to say this is because the argument that we should "totally annihilate" anybody - i can only assume the annihilation wouldn't only extend to terrorists or enemy combatants, because that's already the policy - is reprehensible enough to ignore entirely.
every time I've ever gone off my meds either to go on new ones or to "see if I really had a problem" I've ended up either in jail or the hospital. so YES I have learned my lesson...
So...are you sayiing we should annihilate them all like cockroaches...or are you saying our leaders should start engaging in more diplomatic solutions?
I'm saying the the term "terrorist" is very harsh. It would appear that I've locked my self into this paradox by calling myself a terrorist at one point but the us government is just so powerful that anyone who dare's try rival it gets stuck in a situation that creates extreme insecurity and perhaps the "re-leave pressure" button needs to be pushed. Then of coarse there is thing called "bur-don of proof". SO I'm not going to confess to some hap hazard lunaticacal mishap if I'm not guaranteed a fair trial. The Guy I was going after "Saddam" got a trial I think it's only fair that I got one too.
I'm saying the the term "terrorist" is very harsh. It would appear that I've locked my self into this paradox by calling myself a terrorist at one point but the us government is just so powerful that anyone who dare's try rival it gets stuck in a situation that creates extreme insecurity and perhaps the "re-leave pressure" button needs to be pushed. Then of coarse there is thing called "bur-don of proof". SO I'm not going to confess to some hap hazard lunaticacal mishap if I'm not guaranteed a fair trial. The Guy I was going after "Saddam" got a trial I think it's only fair that I got one too.
except that is literally NOT at ANY point what you were saying! you said NOTHING about your feelings on the term terrorist, or how you personally call(ed?) yourself one, before. What is the "re-leave pressure" button? what is your problem with "bur-don of proof"? Why do you think that any trial you're entitled to would be less fair than Saddam's? and last of all, what does ANY of that have to do with cockroaches, and mass extermination, and god?
How do you make peace with an enemy that you don't negotiate with??
I think at one point you have to stop and consider that the "experts" of war must have this figured out. But at another point you have to figure that if we the people don't put in our 2 since then, why do we even bother to be free. SO here's my 2 since. "Totally Annihilate" them. The way I see it God sees us all like cocha roaches and he can stomp us all out any time he wants. The Irony behind this is that we can destroy tank from 20 miles high with pin point accuracy but we can't kill the gd cocha roaches.. \
qcc??
God doesn't have to have enemies. He can just make friends out of his enemies. Jesus would turn the other cheek and love his enemies.
I would use sarcasm. Sarcasm and hyperbole.
How would you know? I take my meds exactly how my doctor tells me to..
every time I've ever gone off my meds either to go on new ones or to "see if I really had a problem" I've ended up either in jail or the hospital. so YES I have learned my lesson...
Then I apologize. You have specifically said in the past that you don't take them and don't want to. I am glad to hear it is no longer the case.
except that is literally NOT at ANY point what you were saying! you said NOTHING about your feelings on the term terrorist, or how you personally call(ed?) yourself one, before. What is the "re-leave pressure" button? what is your problem with "bur-don of proof"? Why do you think that any trial you're entitled to would be less fair than Saddam's? and last of all, what does ANY of that have to do with cockroaches, and mass extermination, and god?
I think you have to understand the nature of the paradox.. It's a mental nightmare that "used to be" an incredible dream.. and now I'm awake. So when I post I'm not directly speaking to anyone but to the dream. Now that I'm awake I'm scared shit-less that I'll die and "go to hell". It's like one continuios movie only no one really cares.
Don't feed it ... just don't.
dream dream dream dreamity dream dream dream dream wake
dream dream dream wake shit dream dream
dream god wake jesus shit dream dream scream dream
You know JB, if it's you've found God and you're afraid of not being accepted into heaven because of things you did when your illness was controlling you, maybe you need to talk to your minister? It's my understanding that God will forgive your sins and transgressions as long as you repent, which seems to me to be what you've done.
You maybe just need to forgive yourself now and recognise that the things you've done were done by a different person. not the person you are now.
I think you have to understand the nature of the paradox.. It's a mental nightmare that "used to be" an incredible dream.. and now I'm awake. So when I post I'm not directly speaking to anyone but to the dream. Now that I'm awake I'm scared shit-less that I'll die and "go to hell". It's like one continuios movie only no one really cares.
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how is this Politics? Again, you didn't outline the paradox, didn't discuss it, didn't make any comprehensible points. Are you trying to be clear and to make sense, and failing? or are you just shouting into the ether? Do you WANT to be understood clearly? if not, why post it on a discussion, community-based forum?
well you know you have green day over here saying when masturbation has lost it's fun your f-in lazy, you have alanis morset saying it's a death row pardon 2 minintues 2 late and you have rage aginst the machine saying killing in the name of.. well you know masturbation never looses it's fun... so it's kind of a green take on politics... just trying to shake things up a bit....
IB....
Don't feed it ... just don't.
Let me satisfy my own criteria for writing this one off. I still think he could actually contribute if he tried. If he would try to communicate reasonably and positively - or at least coherently - he'd be a step ahead of a couple longtime dwellars in that respect. I'm trying to explain to him, in a way, WHY so much of the community has already written him off. It's one thing to express yourself badly - its another to not try at all.
Sometimes people with mental illness have a lot of trouble putting together coherent thoughts, especially when it comes to abstract ideas.
Some people could do with a bit more compassion and little less judgement when it comes to posters with these sorts of issues.
Unlike others who've joined us with mental issues, JB doesn't seem to be trying to cause anyone any harm. I see his posts as some kind of journey for him/her (I'm thinking him) as he works his way through the quagmire that his mind must be in.
Some of the drugs people take for schizophrenia can make you little better than a walking zombie.
Try not to be too hard on him.
I understand a little of your frustration Ibs. I know from a couple of conversations with JB that he is interesting and creative. He has a very particular take on the world which is unusual and at times quite compelling.
But y'know...this is who he is. Some of the time when you talk to him, what you are actually doing is participating in one of his thought pieces. But he's never been anything except totally honest about that.
We all communicate differently. Right now, in this place, with us, this is how JB communicates. I can live with that. From time to time, something he says irks me and I engage with him about that. But how he says it is his own affair.
He is a part of this community and has, in my opinion, earned his place as a regular dwellar. He brings something different. He communicates in his own way. He isn't flinging shit at people, or splurging his unique way of looking at the world into every thread or forum. The more outlandish stuff is contained with its own series of threads which we, as fellow dwellars may choose to participate in, or not.
... If communication is the last thing on JBKlyde's mind, if all he's here for is to be as incomprehensible as possible ...
Very close Ibram. Much as some people just like to hear themselves talk, others just like to see themselves in print. Getting something...anything...out there becomes an end unto itself. The means (i.e. content) becomes inconsequential. There's no real effort toward being incomprehensible: it's just a matter of indifference secondary to the extenuating circumstances. This doesn't happen with every OP; rather, it happens when the writer runs out of subject matter of personal consequence yet still feels compelled to write. One can usually tell by the OP what the rest of the person's posts in the thread will be like and not waste time there. The user's MO has become acceptable; because, this user has been up front about it. Many would do the same for someone who had trouble controlling their temper; but, acknowledged it and asked everyone not to take outbursts too personally. People will often grant a person who owns up to something the dignity of being ignored, even if they can't find anything to respect, rather than antagonize that person.
There's a certain amount of addiction that comes along with the net... I guess I'm sort of addicted to writing on the net so I always try to make something out of nothing for the love of the written word...
Very close Ibram. Much as some people just like to hear themselves talk, others just like to see themselves in print. Getting something...anything...out there becomes an end unto itself. The means (i.e. content) becomes inconsequential. There's no real effort toward being incomprehensible: it's just a matter of indifference secondary to the extenuating circumstances. This doesn't happen with every OP; rather, it happens when the writer runs out of subject matter of personal consequence yet still feels compelled to write. One can usually tell by the OP what the rest of the person's posts in the thread will be like and not waste time there. The user's MO has become acceptable; because, this user has been up front about it. Many would do the same for someone who had trouble controlling their temper; but, acknowledged it and asked everyone not to take outbursts too personally. People will often grant a person who owns up to something the dignity of being ignored, even if they can't find anything to respect, rather than antagonize that person.
I think someone has finally diagnosed my symptoms... I call it Techno Fobia.. but if you have been following anything I have written then you would consider me an artist.. maybe not a professional one however I like to consider myself a revolutionary type of artist because "as you see" I do not always go with the flow of "NORMAL" society... so if you could just consider me a "struggeling" renegade type of artist then all would sit so much better with my poor demented brain.:D
I think someone has finally diagnosed my symptoms... I call it Techno Fobia.. :D
You gotta admit. He does have nice teeth.
And the reason I give for this lunacy.. in case any of those black market fbi guys might be listing is that I was under a satanic strong hold.