Space junk falling to Earth

Spexxvet • Sep 21, 2011 9:05 am
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/green/Space-Junk-Crashing-to-Earth-130261948.html

On the radio, I heard that the chance of hitting "a person" is about 1 in 3,200, and the chance of hitting "you, in particular" is 1 in a couple to several trillion.

If you could pick where it should hit, where would you choose? Islamabad? Washington, D.C.? Savannah, GA? Mexico City? In a desert or ocean?
glatt • Sep 21, 2011 9:59 am
In the ocean. Not Washington DC, please.

FYI, if you pick up pieces of it, the feds can send you to jail. That's bullshit. Finders keepers. You drop something on my property without me specifically asking for it, it's now mine. (Unless I don't want it, then it's littering.)
classicman • Sep 21, 2011 11:04 am
The ocean would be the best place. If this thing carries any proprietary info, I would like it to hit about 50 miles off the eastern coast in US waters.
infinite monkey • Sep 21, 2011 11:13 am
I think the desert. There's enough shit in our oceans. The ocean is like the Earth's Garbage Dump (so is space, in a way)...at least in the desert people could see it. Maybe build a Water Park and Gambling Emporium Museum Fun Land.

And fuck 'em...any space junk falls anywhere near me and I'm touching the fuck out of it. I'll probably even take some home. "Don't touch it it's TOP SECRET!" Well, then maybe you should've come up with some sort of plan as it slowly descended to the earth for 10 years. It's not like it's Super 8.
monster • Sep 21, 2011 11:19 am
Doesn't matter where it lands, it'll still be blamed on the gays.
infinite monkey • Sep 21, 2011 11:20 am
Oh I hate a FTFY.

But...

Doesn't matter where it lands, it'll still be blamed on OBAMA.

:lol:
classicman • Sep 21, 2011 11:24 am
...or the republicans.
infinite monkey • Sep 21, 2011 11:33 am
don't start.

:mecry:
Lamplighter • Sep 21, 2011 11:43 am
I can only think of 2 reasons to nominate Savannah, GA.

Are there more ?
infinite monkey • Sep 21, 2011 11:45 am
I can only think of one. :mecry:

Did you mean Philly?
Lamplighter • Sep 21, 2011 12:01 pm
That's 3.
Spexxvet • Sep 21, 2011 12:56 pm
With Japan's luck lately, it'll crash there. Maybe right on Fukushima Nuclear Powwer Plant. That'd just cap off their year.
monster • Sep 21, 2011 1:52 pm
infinite monkey;757431 wrote:
Oh I hate a FTFY.

But...

Doesn't matter where it lands, it'll still be blamed on OBAMA.

:lol:


But it's Obama's fault there are gays.
monster • Sep 21, 2011 1:53 pm
If it landed in my house, we wouldn't be able to tell.
Sundae • Sep 21, 2011 4:17 pm
On the evil ex's place.
A small piece, only enough to render it uninhabitable for a while and break some things he cares about.

Bitter? Er, yes.
ZenGum • Sep 22, 2011 6:24 am
How cool would it be if it hit Gadaffi?
infinite monkey • Sep 22, 2011 10:07 am
This thread reminds me of the IotD about space junk.

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?p=757704#post757704
monster • Sep 22, 2011 11:15 am
So, did it fall yet? Could it be among the rubble in my front room?
infinite monkey • Sep 22, 2011 12:09 pm
OK, remember the Crying Indian? He was so sad about the polluting of the earth.

Well, the Crying Alien is none too happy either. I'm only partially kidding.
tw • Sep 22, 2011 11:14 pm
Even Willy Coyote could not hit the road runner by dropping things from a cliff. What chance does a satellite have when falling so far from space?
TheMercenary • Sep 23, 2011 6:19 am
glatt;757386 wrote:
In the ocean. Not Washington DC, please.

FYI, if you pick up pieces of it, the feds can send you to jail. That's bullshit. Finders keepers. You drop something on my property without me specifically asking for it, it's now mine. (Unless I don't want it, then it's littering.)

Washington D.C. would be a great place for it, just not your house but the White House and Congress would be a great start...:D
TheMercenary • Sep 23, 2011 6:22 am
Lamplighter;757451 wrote:
I can only think of 2 reasons to nominate Savannah, GA.

Are there more ?
Awwwww.... lamp are you wishing me and my family bodily harm from falling space junk?:alien: :morncoff:
TheMercenary • Sep 23, 2011 7:55 am
I don't know what others may think about this, but these odds are actually pretty high....

Nasa put the odds of anyone being struck by a falling part of the spacecraft at one in 3,200. The individual risk to a particular person is much less – one in 3,200 multiplied by the billions that live under the satellite's flight path.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/nasa-satellite-estimate-impact-time?newsfeed=true
Spexxvet • Sep 23, 2011 8:31 am
The Aerospace Corporation, a private firm that is tracking UARS, offered a more specific prediction, saying the satellite would likely come down off the coast of Chile at 6:06 p.m. EST.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/space-junk-nasa-predict-entry-certainty/story?id=14587907
infinite monkey • Sep 23, 2011 9:05 am
Space Gross Coast to Coast
Gravdigr • Sep 23, 2011 10:50 am
TheMercenary;757934 wrote:
Awwwww.... lamp are you wishing me and my family bodily harm from falling space junk?:alien: :morncoff:


Yeah, this ain't no machete-shooting slingshot we're talking here...:neutral:
Gravdigr • Sep 23, 2011 10:52 am
infinite monkey;757976 wrote:
Space Gross Coast to Coast


Reminded me of this.

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infinite monkey • Sep 23, 2011 11:00 am
I had no idea lamplighter also controlled space, time, and matter.

I really need to get to know him/her better.
tw • Sep 23, 2011 11:13 am
Only time UARS can harm the Cellar or Washington is at 4:08 hours on 23 Sept. Only time UARS can threaten Savannah GA is 5:39 or 19:50 hrs. Only time UARS can threaten London are 00:48, 1:42, 3:12, 23:34 on 23 Sept and 1:05 on 24 September. London is a more exciting town.

Even Podunk Michigan is more exciting than Washington or Georgia. Watch those skys at 4:06, 5:38, or 21:21 on 23 Sept.
Lamplighter • Sep 23, 2011 11:17 am
TheMercenary;757934 wrote:
Awwwww.... lamp are you wishing me and my family bodily harm from falling space junk?:alien: :morncoff:


Merc, that :alien: put an overdose of paranoia in your :morncoff:.

Peace.
TheMercenary • Sep 23, 2011 11:51 am
I don't know, let's look at some common odds....


Dying in an aircraft or plane crash:

http://planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm

How about from a host of things:

http://www.blog.joelx.com/odds-chances-of-dying/877/

Ever hear of people dying in a place crash? Those are some pretty high odds, but it certainly happens.
Lamplighter • Sep 23, 2011 12:25 pm
I had a co-worker who used the same sort of thinking to justify his buying tickets to the Lottery...

"Somebody's got to win it, it might as well be me"

Another co-worker stood up and said: "Give me your dollar".
She walked over to the toilet and flushed it, and said:

"Your odds are better finding it again at the treatment plant."
TheMercenary • Sep 23, 2011 1:56 pm
:lol:
Clodfobble • Sep 23, 2011 5:48 pm
Yeah, but what are the odds of finding $50 million dollars at the treatment plant, huh?

[size=1](Answer: not as bad as they were, now that there's a person flushing everyone's $1 bills down their toilets for them...)[/size]
infinite monkey • Sep 23, 2011 6:19 pm
Clodfobble;758183 wrote:
Yeah, but what are the odds of finding $50 million dollars at the treatment plant, huh?

[size=1](Answer: not as bad as they were, now that there's a person flushing everyone's $1 bills down their toilets for them...)[/size]


I'm speechless. This reply is too awesome!

:lol2:
TheMercenary • Sep 23, 2011 10:11 pm
Just put on a helmet and hunker down in your closet. :lol:
Lamplighter • Sep 23, 2011 11:42 pm
PDX news media is all a twitter. The space station is supposed to pass over the city in about 25 min (from WSW towards the NE).

Does anyone have an extra helmet ?
Lamplighter • Sep 24, 2011 12:27 am
Nothing...

Slight overcast and city lights so only brighter stars are visible.
I thought I saw a shooting star, but it was from E -> W
classicman • Sep 24, 2011 12:33 am
Experts are still unsure of exactly where that will be, although the latest predictions are somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, southwest of Hawaii.

Mark Matney, NASA orbital debris scientist: "Something has changed about the spacecraft, either its orientation and/or its shape, in such a way that the drag rate has dropped slightly, the aerodynamic forces are less. As a result, it has delayed the time of re-entry."
CzinZumerzet • Sep 24, 2011 4:53 am
Listening to the Today programme on BBC Radio 4 this morning they reported that it was down 'somewhere between Canada and Russia' which was a trifle vague, but within a few minutes they had eye witness reports from two people I think in North East Scotland who each reported seeing large fragments going overhead toward the east. Russia? Home to popa?
Sundae • Sep 24, 2011 7:12 am
I heard Canada too, but it was on 5 Live, so the same BBC source effectively.
classicman • Sep 24, 2011 10:53 am
from the AP
NASA's dead 6-ton satellite plunged to Earth early Saturday, but more than eight hours later, U.S. space officials didn't know just where it hit. They thought the fiery fall was largely over water and the debris probably hurt no one.

The bus-sized satellite first penetrated Earth's atmosphere somewhere over the Pacific Ocean, according to NASA and the U.S. Air Force's Joint Space Operations Center. But that doesn't necessarily mean it all fell into the sea.

NASA's earlier calculations had predicted that the 20-year-old former climate research satellite would fall over a 500-mile swath and could include land.

Because the plummet began over the ocean and given the lack of any reports of people being hit, that "gives us a good feeling that no one was hurt," but officials didn't know for certain, NASA spokesman Steve Cole told The Associated Press.

The two government agencies said the 35-foot satellite fell sometime between 11:23 p.m. EDT Friday and 1:09 a.m. EDT Saturday, but with no precise time or location.

There was rampant speculation on the Internet and Twitter, much of it focusing on unconfirmed reports and even video of debris over Alberta, Canada.

Cole said that was possible because the last track for the satellite included Canada, starting north of Seattle and then in a large arc north then south. From there, the track continued through the Atlantic south toward Africa, but it was unlikely the satellite got that far if it started falling over the Pacific.

Cole said NASA was hoping for more details from the Air Force, which was responsible for tracking debris.

But given where the satellite may have fallen, officials may never quite know precisely.

"Most space debris is in the ocean. It'll be hard to confirm," Cole said.

Some 26 pieces of the satellite representing 1,200 pounds of heavy metal had been expected to rain down somewhere. The biggest surviving chunk should be no more than 300 pounds.

NO more than???
Sundae • Sep 25, 2011 6:30 am
Phew. There is space junk that weighs considerably more than me.

What?
You take your pleasure where you can find it!
infinite monkey • Sep 25, 2011 11:46 am
They can put a man on the moon but they can't track space junk.
tw • Sep 25, 2011 12:05 pm
I had some big nets out. Was hoping to catch a windfall profit.
Griff • Sep 25, 2011 4:23 pm
Dude, there are no free rides, except for big banks, well big banks and insurance companies. Yep, no free rides except big banks and insurance companies, and oil companies. So there are no free rides except those for big banks, insurance companies, and oil companies. Fuggit there are lots of free rides get your net out free stuff is falling right out of the sky, but you can't keep it unless...
Sundae • Sep 26, 2011 12:42 pm
Griff, that was a TW funny, don't knock it!
(and a good one imo)
ZenGum • Sep 27, 2011 1:17 am
MORE COMING!

A defunct German space telescope called ROSAT is set to hit the planet at the end of October – and it even is more likely than UARS to cause injury or damage in populated areas.

NASA calculates a 1-in-3200 chance of UARS causing injury or damage. But at the end of October or beginning of November, ROSAT – a 2.4-tonne X-ray telescope built by the German aerospace lab DLR and launched by NASA in 1990 – will re-enter the atmosphere, presenting a 1 in 2000 chance of injury.

The higher risk stems from the requirements of imaging X-rays in space, says DLR spokesperson Andreas Schütz. The spacecraft's mirrors had to be heavily shielded from heat that could have wrecked its X-ray sensing operations during its eight-year working life. But this means those mirrors will be far more likely to survive a fiery re-entry.



Clodfobble • Sep 27, 2011 9:23 am
Humorously enough, I just started watching Dead Like Me, and the main character is killed in the first episode by a falling space station toilet seat returning to Earth.
HungLikeJesus • Sep 27, 2011 7:23 pm
I wonder if it will still be broadcasting images while it crashes to earth.