TheMercenary • Sep 8, 2011 7:19 pm
Here it comes..... BOHICA!
piercehawkeye45;755171 wrote:Merc, I'm curious what you don't like about the plan?
Aliantha;755166 wrote:Gosh, now I remember why I stopped posting in politics forums.
Sometimes the people you least expect can be arseholes.
Pico and ME;755194 wrote:But Ali, Glatt is right. Merc excels at extreme right-wing background noise. He never comes across at trying to be reasonable, he only comes across like he is selling the propaganda.
Pico and ME;755194 wrote:... He never comes across at trying to be reasonable...
:lol2: You don't define me, I define me. Republickins suck as much as Demoncrats. Obama sucks the most. And his bullshit speech tonight proves how much he sucks... Make Obama a One Term President in 2012! :lol:Pico and ME;755202 wrote:Merc, when it comes to politics, you are a one trick pony. You cant deny that. Well at least here.
infinite monkey;755207 wrote:How much time until Ali decides she, once again, hates the political discourse in this place...and denounces it heartily?
Poll?
Aliantha;755212 wrote:Who really cares if I do or not Shawnee? Seriously.. Who really cares?
:) Dammit woman! stop giving away my secrets!Aliantha;755208 wrote:If I could say so, I think merc takes his posts a lot less seriously on here than most others seem to.
Yeah, he's taking the piss out of most of us most of the time in the politics forum.I am a rugby player.... so go figure. :blush:
I just don't think it's worth getting all upset all the time over it. ;)I have never lost sleep over this place....:p:
Usually I think he's been asking for it.I can take it. No worries.....
I just don't see him as one dimensional. No one is.One of the few honest assessments I have ever heard... :3eye:
I know Merc, but it's true. You've been here long enough to know lots of the people here and know about their daily struggles.Few know a GD thing about me... You are the exception.
To all of us. We should try and remember the humanity of our fellow posters before we label them as one thing or another.
So government failed on 9/11, and yet the politicians' answer to failure is always the same: Give us more money and power. And we do. When will we learn?
infinite monkey;755221 wrote:I never hid that I'm shawnee, so if you see yourself as some sort of TMZ you're not. ;)
I think glatt's response was good. Simple. From a guy who doesn't say anything remotely mean even if he wanted to. So you jump on THAT, and once again expound the virtues of themerc?
Puh-leez.
No, tw and Bri have not chimed in yet! :Dclassicman;755236 wrote:Well there's two. Cue up Monnie and Spexx and the clique will all have chimed in. Oh joy.
Pico and ME;755238 wrote:Oh and you aren't part of one, Classic? Please. You didn't have to jump in, but you did.
glatt;755240 wrote:Yeah, I guess I shouldn't have said that. The thread kind of went from empty drivel to downright mean.
glatt;755240 wrote:Yeah, I guess I shouldn't have said that. The thread kind of went from empty drivel to downright mean.
I don't hate Merc., but there are times when he doesn't care, and posts anyway. Tonight he was on a roll just before I posted that. I figured I'd call him on it. But I just added to the negativity.
Pico and ME;755238 wrote:Oh and you aren't part of one, Classic? Please.
classicman;755250 wrote:Who the F is in my clique? Seriously? :eyebrow:
You didn't have to jump in, but you did.
Dude, I totally respect you. If we have an issue I would rather take it off line and figure it out. Playing it out in public serves no purpose. You are right, I often just totally don't care. And I could give a shit what people think or feel, what you see is what you get. If you want to continue this I would be glad to exchange with you. If not no worries, it changes nothing for me.glatt;755240 wrote:Yeah, I guess I shouldn't have said that. The thread kind of went from empty drivel to downright mean.
I don't hate Merc., but there are times when he doesn't care, and posts anyway. Tonight he was on a roll just before I posted that. I figured I'd call him on it. But I just added to the negativity.
TheMercenary;755191 wrote:800 billion more in the hole. This god damm fool is going to be the end of us as country...
infinite monkey;755254 wrote:I hear it's best not to throw water on them.
Or there's always a chance you'll get wished into a cornfield.
Cultural references all askew and slithering...
'Suh, I didn't mean what I said, even though it weren't nuttin...please don't wish me into the cornfield."
Yum. Corn.
TheMercenary;755256 wrote:Dude, I totally respect you. If we have an issue I would rather take it off line and figure it out. Playing it out in public serves no purpose. You are right, I often just totally don't care. And I could give a shit what people think or feel, what you see is what you get. If you want to continue this I would be glad to exchange with you. If not no worries, it changes nothing for me.
Nope, only think he is shit for a leader and in the back seat of his power players, insurance companies, Union thugs, and lawyers. Oh, and Hollywood. :)SamIam;755257 wrote:Try 450 billion. :eyebrow:
My goodness, you certainly give President Obama more power than I have ever seen him use. If he can finish off the country, you'd think he'd take the Republicans down first. :rolleyes:
infinite monkey;755259 wrote:So poignant. So real. :mecry:
Oh! Well that changes everything!SamIam;755257 wrote:Try 450 billion. :eyebrow:
TheMercenary;755260 wrote:Nope, only think he is shit for a leader and in the back seat of his power players, insurance companies, Union thugs, and lawyers. Oh, and Hollywood. :)
Exactly. I don't want a "progressive" as President of this nation. It goes against everything I believe this nation was founded on... But I sure as hell don't want some religious zealot in charge either.Pico and ME;755268 wrote:In truth, I do not dispute Merc's classification of Obama. But, only because he has seriously let down the progressives - (but somehow I don't think that is what Merc is complaining about).
True, but his cronnies wrote it and he has to buy off on it to speak it....Aliantha;755267 wrote:We all know the president, no matter what party they're from, is just a mouthpiece right? He didn't write the package, and he didn't write the speech.
Here's a question from a dumb aussie. If the dems think Obama isn't going to win in 2012, can they put someone else forward instead? I don't quite get the whole structure of US politics in that way.Well they could, but it would be bad manners to try to run agains the incumbent and the only person who would have a chance in hell would be Hillary Clinton... and there is no way she could get elected unless Obama really screws up between now and then.
Over here in the westminister style of parliament we use, if a party loses faith in the leader, they can basically vote him/her out and stick him on the back bench and put someone else in charge.God I wish we could do that....
Joel Pollack, Breitbart EIC:
Obama’s address was the worst major presidential address I have ever watched.
Substantively, Obama presented a “jobs” proposal that is more socialist than anything that even the most far-left Democrats have recently proposed as a new stimulus.
Also–if Congress must pass this jobs bill right away, why did Obama wait weeks, months, years to propose it?
Rhetorically, Obama’s speech was a shameless and breathless litany of straw men and partisan taunting. Republicans were right not to dignify this event with a rebuttal.
Overall, an insult to the American people. Barack Obama has diminished the presidency tonight.
I’m ready for some football.
TheMercenary;755260 wrote:Nope, only think he is shit for a leader and in the back seat of his power players, insurance companies, Union thugs, and lawyers. Oh, and Hollywood. :)
The point is that spending us into further debt is NOT the solution. You can't continue to run up the credit cards! These Damm fools obviously have not gotten the message, hopefully they will get it in the next election....:cool:SamIam;755275 wrote:Well, name me a single politician who doesn't share all these characteristics - from either side of the aisle. And your rants will sound less shrill if you use the correct numbers. 800 billion is almost twice 450 billion. Neither of which sums is going to bring the US down.
Plus, what's all this garbage about cliques and name calling? People get so down on Politics because everyone here is perceived as being mean. So then people post here for no other reason except to call each other names? Maybe we should have a forum just devoted to bratty behavior.
Can I be part of your clique, Classic? You know - confusion to our enemies and all that? :eek:
TheMercenary;755273 wrote:
God I wish we could do that....
SamIam;755275 wrote:Can I be part of your clique, Classic? You know - confusion to our enemies and all that? :eek:
True. 9/11 must have been a non-event for you.Pico and ME;755281 wrote:Merc, it seems like there is always a reason to run up the credit card.
With the last administration it was the two-front war,Iraq was and remains a completely questionable edevor in my mind. Don't expect me to whole heartedly support it. Afgan was the game and we took our eye off the ball IMHO.
.... this administration it was continuing the bailout and stimulus started by the previous administration to save the economy and the war.Sooner or later you liberals have to stop blaming Bush. This is and was a Demoncratic operation, they controlled Congress when he took office and continued to control office til 2010. They control the purse strings, they own it....
You are putting much too much onus on Obama,No, you are giving him a pass... He is a complete and utter failure...
and when you do that you lose creditably for your argument. ESPECIALLY considering the concessions Obama has made.Your assessment of me is insignificant and carries no weight. This is not about me. It is about the failures of Obama and the Congress. I could give a fuck what you think about my credibility, this is about Obama's credibility, not mine. He failed.
Aliantha;755267 wrote:<snip> Here's a question from a dumb aussie.
If the dems think Obama isn't going to win in 2012, can they put someone else forward instead?
I don't quite get the whole structure of US politics in that way.
Over here in the westminister style of parliament we use, if a party loses faith in the leader,
they can basically vote him/her out and stick him on the back bench and put someone else in charge.
True dat... and thank God black people and women can vote now.... :DLamplighter;755288 wrote:
'course, back then Merc was just a child, so it might be different now ;)
:thumb:classicman;755286 wrote:Fuck you Merc.
Lamplighter;755288 wrote:Recent history says the US can't handle intra-party challenges
to an incumbent President... or 3rd party candidates.
The last time we had such a situation was when LB Johnson announced
he would not run for a 2nd term (due to Viet Nam War).
The result was chaos...
Robert Kennedy was assassinated,
Chicago had a police riot,
Cities across the country had race riots,
Hubert Humphrey became the Dem's nominee,
Ross Perow tried a 3rd party end run,
Nixon was elected, and we all know how that worked out !
'course, back then Merc was just a child, so it might be different now ;)
classicman;755298 wrote:Hiya Lamp - Missed you.
classicman;755286 wrote:Fuck you Merc.
Aliantha;755326 wrote:Hang on a sec. I thought merc was part of the clique?
Aliantha;755328 wrote:[SIZE="4"]Aliantha[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]double fucking bitch[/SIZE]
OBAMA: "Everything in this bill will be paid for. Everything."
THE FACTS: Obama did not spell out exactly how he would pay for the measures contained in his nearly $450 billion American Jobs Act but said he would send his proposed specifics in a week to the new congressional supercommittee charged with finding budget savings. White House aides suggested that new deficit spending in the near term to try to promote job creation would be paid for in the future — the "out years," in legislative jargon — but they did not specify what would be cut or what revenues they would use.
Essentially, the jobs plan is an IOU from a president and lawmakers who may not even be in office down the road when the bills come due. Today's Congress cannot bind a later one for future spending. A future Congress could simply reverse it.
Currently, roughly all federal taxes and other revenues are consumed in spending on various federal benefit programs, including Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans' benefits, food stamps, farm subsidies and other social-assistance programs and payments on the national debt. Pretty much everything else is done on credit with borrowed money.
So there is no guarantee that programs that clearly will increase annual deficits in the near term will be paid for in the long term.
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OBAMA: "Everything in here is the kind of proposal that's been supported by both Democrats and Republicans, including many who sit here tonight."
THE FACTS: Obama's proposed cut in the Social Security payroll tax does seem likely to garner significant GOP support. But Obama proposes paying for the plan in part with tax increases that have already generated stiff Republican opposition.
For instance, Obama makes a pitch anew to end Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which he has defined as couples earning over $250,000 a year or individuals over $200,000 a year. Republicans have adamantly blocked what they view as new taxes. As recently as last month, House Republicans refused to go along with any deal to raise the government's borrowing authority that included new revenues, or taxes.
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OBAMA: "It will not add to the deficit."
THE FACTS: It's hard to see how the program would not raise the deficit over the next year or two because most of the envisioned spending cuts and tax increases are designed to come later rather than now, when they could jeopardize the fragile recovery. Deficits are calculated for individual years. The accumulation of years of deficit spending has produced a national debt headed toward $15 trillion. Perhaps Obama meant to say that, in the long run, his hoped-for programs would not further increase the national debt, not annual deficits.
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OBAMA: "The American Jobs Act answers the urgent need to create jobs right away."
THE FACTS: Not all of the president's major proposals are likely to yield quick job growth if adopted. One is to set up a national infrastructure bank to raise private capital for roads, rail, bridges, airports and waterways. Even supporters of such a bank doubt it could have much impact on jobs in the next two years because it takes time to set up. The idea is likely to run into opposition from some Republicans who say such a bank would give the federal government too much power. They'd rather divide money among existing state infrastructure banks.
Aliantha;755203 wrote:Pico, I think everyone has a right to their own opinions. Even glatt. I was just surprised that he would say such a thing. Normally I consider him to be the voice of reason, not dismissal.
wrote:THE FACTS: Not all of the president's major proposals are likely to yield quick job growth if adopted. One is to set up a national infrastructure bank to raise private capital for roads, rail, bridges, airports and waterways. Even supporters of such a bank doubt it could have much impact on jobs in the next two years because it takes time to set up. The idea is likely to run into opposition from some Republicans who say such a bank would give the federal government too much power. They'd rather divide money among existing state infrastructure banks.
I'm sure the 'pubs would much rather use state infrastructure banks because they probably
classicman;755482 wrote:You're outta the clique for that one, young lady. :)
get the money on the street much faster and more efficiently. Its a double edged sword. Pick your poison.
wrote:Ninety percent of this plan is permanent cuts,” said Henry Sobanet, director of the Office of [Colorado] State Planning and Budgeting. Sobanet told reporters Tuesday that the governor’s proposal is based on a two-year plan to close a $1.3 billion structural budget gap, and the revised budget proposal should cover a little less than half of the gap.
Sobanet explained the gap has been financed with one-time money and cash transfers. “We’ve used our savings account to pay for ongoing expenses, and now it’s gone,” he said.
The structural gap is equivalent to the growth in K-12 and Medicaid over the past decade, he noted, while General Fund revenues in the same period have grown by just 0.64 percent, or about $481 million.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's promise Thursday that everything in his jobs plan will be paid for rests on highly iffy propositions.
It will only be paid for if a committee he can't control does his bidding, if Congress puts that into law and if leaders in the future - the ones who will feel the fiscal pinch of his proposals - don't roll it back.
Underscoring the gravity of the nation's high employment rate, Obama chose a joint session of Congress, normally reserved for a State of the Union speech, to lay out his proposals. But if the moment was extraordinary, the plan he presented was conventional Washington rhetoric in one respect: It employs sleight-of-hand accounting.
A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:
HungLikeJesus;755544 wrote:I'm sure TABOR is mixed up in there somewhere, SIA.
if leaders in the future - the ones who will feel the fiscal pinch of his proposals - don't roll it back.
What's in Obama's stimulus package
Obama's plan is similar to one he offered in each of his three budgets. But the proposal has gone nowhere in Congress.
The president put forth other repeat proposals on Monday to pay for the stimulus package.