Explosion in Oslo
There's been an explosion in Oslo close to the Prime Minister's office. Government buildings and a newspaper office have been damaged. The PM is unhurt, but there are injuries and at least one person dead. There's currently a rescue operation to get people out of damaged buildings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515
As a small mercy, this occurred during a holiday, when far more people would have been inside the offices.
Police have confirmed it was a bomb, but haven't said what kind. Nobody as yet has claimed responsibility.
Apparently there are two confirmed dead.
Who blows up Norwegians? There's no call for that.
Must be those hateful chileans.
Well, they've been threatened in the past by Islamist groups because of their support for the war in Iraq. But there's also a possibility it is right-wing terrorists.
Extreme right wingers are still mad that Obama got the peace prize.
[/just kidding. but seriously, the Timothy McVeighs of this world do crazy stuff]
NYTimes report has additional news:
Shortly after the apparent bomb attack, a man dressed as a police officer opened fire on a youth political meeting on the island of Utoya in the Oslo fjord, about 25 miles from the city, the police said. There were initial reports that Prime Minister Stoltenberg was scheduled to attend the meeting.
...
Mr. Kvernen, the police spokesman, said he could not confirm whether there were casualties in the shooting incident at the summer camp near Honefoss, north of Oslo. Media reports said five people were wounded. “The police are sending massive units,” he said.
Times update
A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.
There are now 7 confirmed dead from the explosion, and 'at least nine' dead at the Labour Party Youth camp.
The right wing is waiting for an apology ...
Apparently the suspect in custody for the shooting at the camp is a Norwegian citizen.
@ Wolf: i don't get that?
You accused the right wing ahead of Arab Terrorists who have more of a track record of blowing things up.
I did not. In answer to the question 'who would blow up the Norwegians?' I said they had been threatened by Islamists in the past but that right wing terrorists were also a possibility.
As it happens, it is looking more like a domestic politics issue. A Norwegian citizen targetting both the Labour Prime Minister, and the Labour Party Youth camp where the PM was due to speak.
Reports of a 32 year old neo-nazi being arrested...
...and report taken down again!
Cowardly fuck to target a youth camp. Apparently he was dressed in a police uniform and had them gather around him before he started shooting.
This is sport, as we wait for detail on who's responsible. The Times has walked back a little:
According to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute, a previously unknown group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying they were a response to the presence of Norwegian forces in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad.
But Norwegian television reports later suggested that the group had denied responsibility. In the immediate aftermath of recent terrorist attacks, jihadi forums are often filled with claims and counterclaims that are impossible to independently confirm.
And another update:
A police official said the 32-year-old ethnic Norwegian suspect arrested at the camp on Utoya island appears to have acted alone in both attacks, and that "it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because that information had not been officially released by Norway's police.
"It seems it's not Islamic-terror related," the official said. "This seems like a madman's work."
The official said the attack "is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Center." Domestic terrorists carried out the 1995 attack on a federal building in Oklahoma City, while foreign terrorists were responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
However the report finishes with:
At least two extremist groups had tried to take credit for the attacks. Many intelligence analysts said they had never heard of Helpers of Global Jihad, which took initial credit. Ansar al-Islam also took credit on some jihadist web sites.
Norway has been grappling with a homegrown terror plot linked to al-Qaida. Two suspects are in jail awaiting charges.
Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country. The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar — the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam — made to various news media, including American network NBC.
Terrorism has also been a concern in neighboring Denmark since an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad six years ago.
@Wolf - why would you be upset over the mention that right wing terrorists might be responsible? Acts of terrorism are more about what a nut case the perp is rather than his preported idealogy. :confused:
Times update
After the shooting the police seized a 32-year-old Norwegian man on the island, according to the police and Justice Minister Knut Storberget. He was later identified as Anders Behring Breivik and characterized by officials as a right-wing extremist, citing previous writings including on his Facebook page.
The acting police chief, Sveinung Sponheim, said the suspect’s Internet postings “suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views, but if that was a motivation for the actual act remains to be seen.”
He said the suspect had also been seen in Oslo before the explosions. The police and other authorities declined to say what the suspect’s motivations might have been, but many speculated that the target was Mr. Stoltenberg’s liberal government.
Who blows up Norwegians?
I bet it was The Spanish Inquisition.
[SIZE="1"]No one expects The Spanish Inquisition.[/SIZE]
Grav just won the thread lol.
But there's also a possibility it is right-wing terrorists.
The right wing is waiting for an apology ...
...He was later identified as Anders Behring Breivik and characterized by officials as a right-wing extremist...
I ain't sayin' nothin'...[SIZE="1"]I'm just sayin'[/SIZE].
:lol2:
The thing is, I didn't even mention them first. I mentioned Islamist groups, before I mentioned right-wing extremists.
I think it's fair to say Islamic terror was the first thing we all thought about. Especially given past threats and recent plots. But there is always the possibility of far-right, neo-nazi attacks in Europe and Scandinavia. In some parts there is always the possibility of far-left groups engaging in terrorism. Recently there has been an upsurge in neo-nazi activity across Europe and Scandinavia, so obviously, the next thought after Islamists is neo-nazis.
Timothy McVeigh or Osama bin Laden. What is the difference? Only their excuses. Similar people with a similar attitude. You don't see moderates as terrorists attacking airplanes, people, and buildings.
I ain't sayin' nothin'...[SIZE="1"]I'm just sayin'[/SIZE].
:lol2:
OK, I'll say it.
Extreme Islamist terrorists are waiting for a .....
Sorry, I can't say it.
I just can't.
I think we now understand that this was due to Sarah Palin's violent rhetoric.
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Granny Palin's hyperbolic cure for teen pregnancy.
A Lebanese blogger that I read
says this, good point:
Even I, an Arab Muslim, was surprised and had been completely convinced that it was the work of Alqaeda or other fundamentalist Muslims. Does that mean that I am a self hater?
The lesson from Norway is that one shouldn’t rush to conclusions. But that can work both ways. If an observer assumed that the killer was a Muslim extremist, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the observer is a Muslim hater (or self-hater in my case).
Norway was an ideal target for Alqaeda. It was ill prepared for terrorist attacks. It has soldiers fighting in Afghanistan and planes bombing Libya. The terrorism style itself (coordinated attacks in multiple locations) was typical of Alqaeda. The assumption that it was the work of Alqaeda was a completely safe one.
Why am I bringing this up? Because I’m expecting a backlash in the Arab world. Many commentators are going to use this incident to “prove” that Muslims are widely hated in the west. I’m not saying that this is necessarily wrong, I’m just saying that the Norway incident is not a good proof of that.
The thing is, I didn't even mention them first. I mentioned Islamist groups, before I mentioned right-wing extremists.
I think it's fair to say Islamic terror was the first thing we all thought about. Especially given past threats and recent plots. But there is always the possibility of far-right, neo-nazi attacks in Europe and Scandinavia. In some parts there is always the possibility of far-left groups engaging in terrorism. Recently there has been an upsurge in neo-nazi activity across Europe and Scandinavia, so obviously, the next thought after Islamists is neo-nazis.
There you go, resorting to facts again to bolster a weak argument.
From the NY Times of 23 Jul 2011:
Norway Charges Suspect in Killings
The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a man they identified as a right-wing fundamentalist Christian in connection with a bombing in central Oslo and a shooting attack on a nearby island that killed at least 92 people.
Religious fundamentalist. Extremist. Timothy McVeigh. bin Laden. Anyone who is told how to think rather than ask damning questions and demand facts with numbers. Same people my father so loved to manipulate with advertising because they are that dumb. An example of why true patriots are better educated. And why propaganda so easily creates extremists from the ranks of those who automatically believe what they are first told to believe.
So many Americans loved to massacre 4,500 American soldiers in Iraq. Extremists are that easily created.
Anyone who first suspected extremist an extremist in Oslo was fully justified in doing so. Statistics alone say that was a good bet. Because extremism, hate, routine lies, and a political agenda even hyped by Limbaugh, Beck, David Duke or Palin create such people.
Anders Behring Breivik, 32, as a gun-loving, highly religious Norwegian obsessed with what he saw as the threat of multiculturalism and Muslim immigration to the cultural and patriotic values of his country.
“We are not sure whether he was alone or had help,” a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised news conference. “What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist.”
Religion is a relationship only between you and your god. The second your religious beliefs are imposed on anyone else means you are an extremist.
This conflict is not about liberal vs conservative. Reality is moderates verses wacko extremists. Why did a Pope virtually protect pedophiles? Find extremists often in religious institutions where so many are ripe for extremist indoctrination and right wing hatred.
Mr. Breivik had been a member of the Progress Party but quit in 2006, disappointed by its move toward moderation
Does anyone else see the irony in the fact that a terrible act committed by a right-wing, self confessed Muslim hater was initially claimed by a Muslim extremist group?
Does anyone else see the irony in the fact that a terrible act committed by a right-wing, self confessed Muslim hater was initially claimed by a Muslim extremist group?
Yes. I do.
Does anyone else see the irony in the fact that a terrible act committed by a right-wing, self confessed Muslim hater was initially claimed by a Muslim extremist group?
Every extremist wants to take credit for death and destruction. It is the mantra that drives their existence. Even bin Laden tried to claim responsibility from the Indian Ocean. Meanwhile, Cheney blamed Saddam. The Christian coalition blamed gays. And whalers blamed Greenpeace.
I thought Greenpeace were the extremists.
I thought Greenpeace were the extremists.
They are. No different than Earth First and PETA or other domestic terrorists.
Every extremist wants to take credit for death and destruction. It is the mantra that drives their existence. Even bin Laden tried to claim responsibility from the Indian Ocean. Meanwhile, Cheney blamed Saddam. The Christian coalition blamed gays. And whalers blamed Greenpeace.
tw, did you even get the point of my post? lol
No. Irony is a human frailty, and as such is highly illogical. Irony does not compute.
I know right. I saw the pics of him and I'm like...you're shitting me. That's a Bond villain right there.
[going directly] White people aren't more evil, we're just better at it. [/to hell]
Does anyone else see the irony in the fact that a terrible act committed by a right-wing, self confessed Muslim hater was initially claimed by a Muslim extremist group?
What I see is some among the right wing in the US suggesting that Norway was susceptible to this type of horrific attack because they are neutral in the "war on terrorism" or even worse, attempting to use the attack to deflect attention to a perceived problem of Muslim extremists in Norway.
Are you suggesting there are no Muslim extremists in Norway? If so, I'd have to disagree. There are extremists of every ilk pretty much everywhere.
Also, did you get my point? Or you just don't see it? lol
[paraphrasing Cliff Claven]There are no Muslim Extremists in Norwegia, ya moliok.[/Claven]
:p:
Are you suggesting there are no Muslim extremists in Norway? If so, I'd have to disagree. There are extremists of every ilk pretty much everywhere.
Also, did you get my point? Or you just don't see it? lol
No, I dont see the irony, given that extremists often take credit for violent acts of others for their own political purposes.
And, I agree that there are Muslim extremists in Norway but my point was that there are some among the right wing who used this attack to deflect the issue to Muslim extremism, even knowing that it was not responsible.
Like one of Mercenary's reliable sources, Michelle Malkin:
FYI: Yes, there is a militant Muslim presence in Oslo.
Also: Norway’s Muslim rapist problem.
And this: Mullah Krekar claims Islam will win.
And this looks like a good excuse for a jihadi bombing, doesn’t it:
[INDENT]A Norwegian prosecutor has filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he’s deported from the Nordic country.[/INDENT]
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/07/22/terror-blast-in-oslo/
What does any of the above have to do with this attack by a conservative Christian on a personal crusade against multiculturalism and Islam?
Shamefully, Malkin's first instinct was to use the event to attack her political opposition.
Shamefully, your first instinct was the same.
Shamefully, Malkin's first instinct was to use the event to attack her political opposition.
Shamefully, your first instinct was the same.
So you follow with a shameful attempt to diminish Malkin's shameful post by transferring the shame to me for pointing it out.
How very Merclike of you...or Merclite (he would have thrown in "asshole" in transferring the shame to me) :D
I have diminished nothing.
I don't like Malkin, and I have said so often.
I don't like you, and I will say so now.
I love Malkin's blog and her continual acerbic attacks on the liberal elite... She does a good job of exposing the double standards found so often in todays political theater and Obamanation..
I have diminished nothing.
I don't like Malkin, and I have said so often.
I don't like you, and I will say so now.
Well, I'm crushed that you dont like me, but not surprised.
You dont like confrontation when your opinion is challenged.
A typical right wing reaction by equating her Islamaphobia to me for calling it out. :D
This is a thread about a horrible event in Norway.
This is a thread about a horrible event in Norway.
Oh. That explains the posts about
Sara Palin'a violent rhetoric (in jest, I presume) or
Green Peace, Earth First, PETA and other domestic terrorists.(not in jest, a typical Mercenary contribution).
You dont like me because I think it was important to note how Malkin and others who spew anti_muslim rhetoric at every opportunity have attempted to manipulate this horrible event? I can live with that.
Fine. Here we go then.
Malkin posted a
time-stamped update on her post when she learned the truth of the matter; so when you said...
my point was that there are some among the right wing who used this attack to deflect the issue to Muslim extremism, even knowing that it was not responsible
...you were incorrect. She posted what she knew when she knew it, which was at the same time we all knew it. It was on her post before we picked up the information here.
She even changed the headline to include the new information in red.
Now, if you are honest, you will admit this error. It is as plain as day.
Fine. Here we go then.
Malkin posted a time-stamped update on her post when she learned the truth of the matter; so when you said...
...you were incorrect. She posted what she knew when she knew it, which was at the same time we all knew it. It was on her post before we picked up the information here.
She even changed the headline to include the new information in red.
Now, if you are honest, you will admit this error. It is as plain as day.
Right.
She included the new information in red and left the numerous anti-Muslim links as well, near the top of the post, where they still remain as plain as day, and the focus of her post.
If you were honest, you would have noted that.
added:
And I still believe that it is relevant that this guy was calling for an anti-Muslim crusade and anti-Muslims in the US like Malkin used the horrible event to further fuel the anti-Muslim fire.
It has also been reported, but not confirmed, that he was a follower of other US anti-Muslim sites like Atlas Shrugged and Jihad Watch.
You know, personally I believe there's a small shift in attitudes towards Muslim people in western countries thanks to the education we're constantly being given about lifestyles and true beliefs of ordinary, every day run of the mill Muslim people.
There is a long way to go, but I think the average person is starting to realize that some people are doing a lot more fear mongering than the actual threat warrants.
Have a little faith in humanity. We're smarter than you think.
You know, personally I believe there's a small shift in attitudes towards Muslim people in western countries thanks to the education we're constantly being given about lifestyles and true beliefs of ordinary, every day run of the mill Muslim people.
There is a long way to go, but I think the average person is starting to realize that some people are doing a lot more fear mongering than the actual threat warrants.
Have a little faith in humanity. We're smarter than you think.
Perhaps that is the case in Australia.
In much of Europe, there is a growing anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim movement. It is not as prevalent in Norway, but it is present.
And in the US, while it is not quite as bad, there are many people who associate Islam with terrorism, making no distinction, fueled by the rhetoric of the likes of Malkin, Pam Geller and others.
added:
Hell, in the US, we have a Republican presidential candidate, Herman Cain, who says the First Amendment right to the free expression of religion should allow cities to ban mosques.
I happen to disagree with your point on a personal level. I believe that most people are smart enough to distinguish shit from shinola even if they happen to agree in principal with the political beliefs of a particular person who happens to speak shit from time to time.
Thats fine. You certainly dont have to agree with me.
But the growth of anti-immigrant (anti-Muslim) political parties in Europe and the anti-Muslim rhetoric of the conservative candidates and blogger all have many followers.
And the more they are not called out for their rhetoric, the more they become acceptable.
Right.
Thank you. So, now,
without changing the subject to me...
Do you have another example of a right winger who used this attack to deflect the issue to Muslim extremism?
Thats fine.
But the growth of anti-immigrant (anti-Muslim) political parties in Europe and the anti-Muslim rhetoric of the conservative candidates and blogger all have many followers.
And the more they are not called out for their rhetoric, the more they become acceptable.
I could be wrong, but I suspect they have equally (easily) as many people who recognise their work for what it is.
The world is not a simple place. Change takes time, but I choose to believe it's happening. Probably not fast enough, but that's the way it goes.
Thank you. So, now, without changing the subject to me...
Wait, so you dont think it matters that the anti-Muslim links are still prominently displayed on that page.
OK. If that is how you want to play it.
Do you have another example of a right winger who used this attack to deflect the issue to Muslim extremism?
As I pointed out in my initial post, there were others (mostly speaking on Fox) that used the event to suggest that if Norway had been more involved in the US "war on terrorism", they would have been better prepared to respond.
... some people are doing a lot more fear mongering than the actual threat warrants.
Rush Limbaugh told us that evil Muslims were subverting ‘hollow’ ground in NYC with a mosque. You mean it might not be true? You mean wacko extremists again lied to moderates? Gasp! Maybe Saddam did not have WMDs? So why did we massacre 4,500 American soldiers for mythical reasons? Gasp! Could many blindly believe what Fox News reports? Gasp! No wonder so many in a New Orleans convention center were not threatened by five days of no food and water. That also must have been fear mongering.
Or maybe its not so much about fear. Maybe its about routine lies justified by an extremist political agenda? Fear is simply another tool. Create strawmen (ie Saddam). Define them as evil. Then rally the troops. Evil Muslims are building in mosque in lower Manhattan! Gasp! Muslims must be shooting Norwegians because we all know Muslims are evil. Gasp!
The best evil is invented by the most evil.
If Malkin had removed the previous entries you would currently be lambasting her for whitewashing. And rightfully so. The stuff she posted and left up there is simply examples of Islamists threatening Norway. Hey, in case it turns out to be Islamist, here are the Islamists who threatened Norway.
She merely posted facts. Facts you do not dispute.
Was it wrong to suspect Islamists? No, everybody did, including Islamists and especially those Islamists who took credit. As my Arab friend said, and I posted to this thread:
Even I, an Arab Muslim, was surprised and had been completely convinced that it was the work of Alqaeda or other fundamentalist Muslims. Does that mean that I am a self hater?
The lesson from Norway is that one shouldn’t rush to conclusions. But that can work both ways. If an observer assumed that the killer was a Muslim extremist, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the observer is a Muslim hater (or self-hater in my case).
Back on point,
my question was:
Do you have another example of a right winger who used this attack to deflect the issue to Muslim extremism?
As I pointed out in my initial post, there were others (mostly speaking on Fox) that used the event to suggest that if Norway had been more involved in the US "war on terrorism", they would have been better prepared to respond.
The answer to my question: "No, I do not".
So what you're left with, at the end of all this, is some unnamed people saying things you think they said, on a channel you don't watch.
Oh. That explains the posts about Sara Palin'a violent rhetoric (in jest, I presume) or Green Peace, Earth First, PETA and other domestic terrorists.(not in jest, a typical Mercenary contribution).
You dont like me because I think it was important to note how Malkin and others who spew anti_muslim rhetoric at every opportunity have attempted to manipulate this horrible event? I can live with that.
:lol2:
You have a hard on for me don't you? You get a stiffy everytime I post?
(mostly speaking on Fox)
Ohhoooooo..... the liberal Fox Bogey Man! The most popular news channel on cable for like 6 years running....:D
And in the US, while it is not quite as bad, there are many people who associate Islam with terrorism, making no distinction, fueled by the rhetoric of the likes of Malkin, Pam Geller and others.
So where is the problem when we have the likes of Soros, Huffington, and the talking heads from MSNBC?
Ohhoooooo..... the liberal Fox Bogey Man! The most popular news channel on cable for like 6 years running....:D
And the most popular beer is Bud Light, which is also garbage.
If Malkin had removed the previous entries you would currently be lambasting her for whitewashing. And rightfully so. The stuff she posted and left up there is simply examples of Islamists threatening Norway. Hey, in case it turns out to be Islamist, here are the Islamists who threatened Norway.
She merely posted facts. Facts you do not dispute.
Was it wrong to suspect Islamists? No, everybody did, including Islamists and especially those Islamists who took credit. As my Arab friend said, and I posted to this thread:
Back on point, my question was:
The answer to my question: "No, I do not".
So what you're left with, at the end of all this, is some unnamed people saying things you think they said, on a channel you don't watch.
LOL.
Nice twist. Much like you did with other interactions we've had. Very Classic of you.
But what I am left with is the fact that the thrust of Malkin's post was anti-Muslim rhetoric, even after knowing the facts.
And others on the right with lame attempts to divert the discussion away from the perpetrator to Norway's "lack of commitment" to the bogeymen "war on terrorism"
Maybe if Norway had been more involved they would have been more ready, however, you could counter that question simply by asking how ready anyone can be for a random attack.
Nobody expected busses to be blown up in London, but they were pretty heavily involved with the war on terror. No one expected a bar to be blown up in Bali which was crammed full of people from countries involved in the war on terror.
It's just bullshit reporting. It happens every day. See the Murdoch thread.
The ultimate goal of most terrorist acts, whether by Muslim extremists or White, anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim nationalists, is not simply to attack innocent victims, but to provoke a disproportionate reaction, either in support of, or opposition to, the self-proclaimed martyr's act.
IMO, posts like Malkin's (even if it is only hers alone, but it is not) only feed that frenzy among those who might, at some level, support such horrific acts.
Where I guess we disagree is that I think those type posts should be called out for what they are. At the very least, they are not helpful.
LOL
I.e., no defense.
Nice twist
Precisely the opposite. You offered various twists, and instead of grasping at them, I focused directly on your statement.
You
avoided your statement, focusing on other things, attacking me, and then finally restating your statement with new detail and without the half that was clearly wrong.
[size=1]one more thing.[/size]
Michelle Malkin is a fucking cunt. I say that as a male feminist. I can't stand her. It's personal with me. Her sneer, her smug self-satisfaction. And I think she's said some really hateful things and I think she needs a dose of humility somehow.
I guess its in the eye of the beholder.
You demand that I admit I was wrong about Malkin, because she updated her post to include a statement about the perpetrator.
I think the fact that the bulk of her post said nothing about the perpetrator and was all about what she cited as a Muslim threat to Norway (which had absolutely nothing to do with this horrific act) did nothing to change my opinion about her post and, in fact, supported my position.
I've seen that trick before from you. Only taking or twisting the facts that suit your demand.
But we do agree on Malkin. :)
And the most popular beer is Bud Light, which is also garbage.
Well their product obviously appeals to the masses.... Anyone but Obama in 2012!
Why can't you understand why deleting her original post would be the height of dishonesty? She jumped to the same conclusion that most of the world did, then updated it with the correct information when it became available. That's how it should be done, not removing the original post.
Because it's Malkin and she writes trash! (for trash)
She exposes the truth for what it is....
She lies regularly.
Prove it.
Prove that she tells the truth.
Prove that she tells the truth.
No, you said she lies, prove she lies. Otherwise STFU.
:D
No, you said she exposed the truth about liberals and I say she lies why doing it. You can shut the fuck up because you are a dense mutha who doesnt know shit.
No, you said she exposed the truth about liberals and I say she lies why doing it. You can shut the fuck up because you are a dense mutha who doesnt know shit.
:corn: Ok Einstein... :lol:
No, you said she exposed the truth about liberals and I say she lies why doing it. You can shut the fuck up because you are a dense mutha who doesnt know shit.
lol
Nicely put Pico.
I guess its in the eye of the beholder.
I've taken your statement and shredded it in front of you.
The honorable thing would have been to take the statement out back of the barn and put it out of its misery. Instead, it's given the above final defense, perhaps the lamest end of all, and hung out on the line for the whole neighborhood to look at.
Along with an assembly of attacks on me which had nothing to do with it, which you just couldn't avoid -- even after I warned you about changing the subject to me.
This urge to bullshit, this urge to label and wage war, and to disrespect other people's opinions; it's not smart, it's just basically bad behavior. And where are you now for it? You've ruined another thread flinging turds in every direction.
But (UT takes off commenter hat, puts on moderator hat) what makes it kind interesting is that, usually, when someone is banned and comes back under another name, they try to avoid the behavior that got them banned earlier.
So, Redux, how many more threads are you going to ruin?
Let's say you get two more.
I've taken your statement and shredded it in front of you.
The honorable thing would have been to take the statement out back of the barn and put it out of its misery. Instead, it's given the above final defense, perhaps the lamest end of all, and hung out on the line for the whole neighborhood to look at.
Along with an assembly of attacks on me which had nothing to do with it, which you just couldn't avoid -- even after I warned you about changing the subject to me.
This urge to bullshit, this urge to label and wage war, and to disrespect other people's opinions; it's not smart, it's just basically bad behavior. And where are you now for it? You've ruined another thread flinging turds in every direction.
What I did was respond to Aliantha's post with
my opinion.
You jumped all over my ass,
disrespecting my opionion, and I responded.
And that ruined the thread.
It's all me and not you at all.
*shrug* If you say so. :rolleyes:
@ UT: That's unfair. The thread had organically moved into a discussion about how the right and left are/were reacting to things. It began with Wolf and I, if anything. It stands to reason that will devolve into right versus left and become precisely the conversation it did.
For the record, you appear to be doing just as much point scoring and are drifting just as fully into a left-right shit flinging contest, you're just doing it in a reasonable tone.
Update on the situation: initial estimates that there may be as many as 86 dead on the island might be revised down a little, but there are still missing people and nobody knows the final figure yet. Most of them are teenagers. It's a holiday Island used by various youth organisations for summer camps.
Apparently he used dum-dum bullets. Fuck.
@ UT: That's unfair. The thread had organically moved into a discussion about how the right and left are/were reacting to things. It began with Wolf and I, if anything. It stands to reason that will devolve into right versus left and become precisely the conversation it did.
For the record, you appear to be doing just as much point scoring and are drifting just as fully into a left-right shit flinging contest, you're just doing it in a reasonable tone.
Update on the situation: initial estimates that there may be as many as 86 dead on the island might be revised down a little, but there are still missing people and nobody knows the final figure yet. Most of them are teenagers. It's a holiday Island used by various youth organisations for summer camps.
Thats how I see it too.
Read harder. I'm not a right winger. I haven't voted for a Republican since 2004. I was labeled one and now here we are.
Voting Republican or Democrat is not what makes someone right or left wing. I don't actually think of you as a 'right-winger' so much as someone who leans right. More specifically, i think you lean right on some issues and lean left on others. Overall, I'd say you are on the right of centre.
Voting Republican or Democrat is not what makes someone right or left wing. I don't actually think of you as a 'right-winger' so much as someone who leans right.
What is the difference between an extremist and a moderate? A moderate knows nothing until the facts with numbers are provided. A moderate suspects the worst when one says, "She exposes the truth for what it is.... " Subjective reasoning somehow becomes "The Truth"? That is a first symptom of extremism.
117 papers say that global warming does not exist. But he did not learn the facts and numbers even in one? He only knew what his political handlers told him to believe. An example of extremists who knows - facts and numbers be damned.
We have a problem on this side of the pond. With so many educated by extremist rhetoric (rather than facts with numbers), then the last election saw mostly moderate Democrats removed from office. A budget deadlock happens when a political agenda replaces facts with rhetoric. When people know because "He exposes the truth for what it is..." without factual details and the numbers. When extremists dominate the Congress.
There are extremist Democrats and Republicans. And moderate Democrats and Republicans. In the American Congress, extremists apparently outnumber moderates. Making it impossible for John Bohemer to make a deal without being backstabbed as extremists did to Newt Gingrich.
In this thread, extremists are identified again. Not just a gunman who needs hollow point bullets because we should all have them. Important to a political agenda is to be the first to tell the dumbest among us how to think. Islam is blamed long before any facts are known. Just as George Jr immediately blamed Saddam on the morning of 12 September. The dumbest among us will only hear the first thing we are told to believe (ie smoke cigarettes to increase health). And then avidly deny any honest facts later by even using insults.
Important for extremists is to be the first to tell their disciples what to believe - honesty and facts be damned. We all saw Michelle Malkin doing just that. Telling us how to think long before honest facts existed. Extremist doing what extremists do best: lie to promote a political agenda.
Something I hadn't even considered: watching the news tonight, and the procession with many of the leading politicians. The reporter pointed out that the governing Labour Party has just lost a massive swathe of its next generation of leaders. 76 dead at the camp. Most of them the teenagers attending the Labour Party youth camp.
Another worrying snippet is that the guy who did it claims membership of a neo-nazi group based on the Knights Templar. He says that the group were set up in Britain, and organized into training cells. He also claims to have had dealings with an anti-immigration organisation in Britain (English Defence League), though they are denying that.
Also blame the Michigan Militia and
Ted Kaczynski. Little difference exists between extremists. Extremism works when so many do not even recognize it. Hate is a fundamental characteristic that even justifies murder. Be it Mission Accomplished, 11 September, protecting pedophile clergy, or Kansas City. Nobody even expected the Spanish Inquisition. All examples of extremism.
I've been sitting here, puzzling at that remark for a few minutes. Then I googled. I assume you mean 'fema' nazis?
Then I googled. I assume you mean 'fema' nazis?
Sorry. I was busy trying to refine that post. Eliminated the expression. However go ask Urbane Guerilla for the exact spelling. And for the spelling for IslamoNazis. Both examples of creating mythical evil for a political agenda.
I wasn't trying to be a spelling nazi ;p I was genuinely puzzled at what the extreme feminists had to do with all this :p
I was genuinely puzzled at what the extreme feminists had to do with all this
Feminist are not extremist. Extremists invented the evil to empower their own political agenda. Create mythical threats to inspire their followers.
Another example of extremism creating mythical evil:
Terrorism Awareness Project
During the week of October 22-26, 2007, the nation will be rocked by the biggest conservative campus protest ever – Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, a wake-up call for Americans on 200 university and college campuses. The purpose of this protest is as simple as it is crucial: to confront the two Big Lies of the political left: that George Bush created the war on terror and that Global Warming is a greater danger to Americans than the terrorist threat. Nothing could be more politically incorrect than to point this out. But nothing could be more important for American students to hear. In the face of the greatest danger Americans have ever confronted, the academic left has mobilized to create sympathy for the enemy and to fight anyone who rallies Americans to defend themselves.
The threat is those who create these mythical evil (ie Femi Nazis) for a political agenda. Remember the 'axis of evil'? Only extremists would have created this.
Ahhh. Ok. I understand now. I thought you were talking about the Fema camps thing.
I thought you were talking about the Fema camps thing.
What is a Fema camp?
What is a Fema camp?
Your tax dollars at Non-Work.......;)
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Dana: I have no idea what the original context of tw's quote was since it's been edited for clarity, but just so you know, "feminazi" is a term coined by Rush Limbaugh (at least 15 years ago) as a derogatory synonym for "feminist."
Not to be confused with Fembots!
Dana: I have no idea what the original context of tw's quote was since it's been edited for clarity, but just so you know, "feminazi" is a term coined by Rush Limbaugh (at least 15 years ago) as a derogatory synonym for "feminist."
That was my initial reading of it...but it didn't seem to make sense in context, so I figured maybe 'femonazi' was a different word rather than a mispelling of feminazi, and google gave a couple of different possibles, including 'femanazi'.
And the most popular beer is Bud Light, which is also garbage.
:D
Extremists invented the evil to empower their own political agenda. Create mythical threats to inspire their followers.
Glen Beck has associated the Labor's Youth Outing with a Nazi Party rally. Like any good extremist, he is inventing evil to inspire his followers. Those evil liberal kids.
Eventually he will apologize. Why bother? Bias from extremists is predictable. He really did want to rally his followers with hate. He will be sorry only to have picked a bad example.
