WTF's up with the U.S. prison system??
The U.S. prison system--effective? Ineffective? Or just a giant clusterfuck? Also, would like to hear opinions on prison privatization.
In my opinion, prison is not a means of rehabilitation. It is simply a place for people to spend time until they get out and either decide to straighten the fuck up or resume their criminal ways. I don't think prison changes people for the better. Hell, for a large percentage of urban youth, going to prison is just part off growing up.
What we need are some prisons that are serious about punishing. No TV, no basketball, no weights, period. It isn't a health club, it's a prison. If you don't like it, don't come back.
Do you believe that could help reduce our recidivism rates? Or do you think they would still remain relatvely high compared to other parts of the world? Also, would you consider a prison that was more focused on rehabilitation and re-entrance to society than strictly punishment a successful alternative to our current system (check out the new Halden prison that was opened in Norway) ... do you think this would work in america?
Is this homework?
And, I have a follow-up question...
having been, i agree with dmg in the aspect of no tv. rec? no, you have to have rec because if you don't? there will be way more fighting. i quit watching tv because of prison. i read now. only thing i watch on tv is the news or perhaps nascar or baseball. but that's pretty rare. i keep up with baseball reading the newspaper online. you know what the number 1 thing is that inmates fight over? the tv. with dominoes a close second.
as far as recidivism goes, some inmates get used to being incarcerated and actually enjoy it. when they get out all they want to do is get back in so they either fail their UA's enough to get their parole revoked or they go and break the law in such a blatant way that they know they will be caught. i went down for something i did not do but sure as hell don't want to go back. 33 on a 48 was enough.
No, no homework... I was recently engaged in the topic and it turned into a heated discussion
i did 2.5 myself, and your second paragraph is pretty much the definition of the word institutionalized... I don't have a right or wrong answer for this guys... just fishing for opinions... curious to understand. The reason why our prison system is so ineffective.
ok this will make it easier, you having been. it's infective for several reasons. one: government has way too much paperwork involved. two: look at the average IQ of the inmates, let alone the guards. i remember one time while at rec taking a cool down lap from jogging, me and a friend were walking past a group of youngsters and i overheard and no shit, this is what i heard: "the next time i come down i'm gonna do it different......" i was like wtf? really? next time? "joel, did you just hear what that numbnut said?" he hadn't but when i told him he just shook his head. why the system doesn't work is beyond me. it does work for some obviously. you're new here and i don't know you yet but i know that i'm sure as hell not going back and even if i did do the crime, which, like i said before, i didn't, i sure as hell wouldn't want to go back. i don't miss the scullery, i don't miss commissary, i don't miss doing 1200 push ups a day i don't miss getting up at 3:30 am for breakfast. no a/c in south texas. i don't miss dropping the new bar of soap in the shower. (no y'all, nowadays if you drop the soap in the shower you don't pick it up because of all the baby batter on the floor, not for fear of getting boned in the butt) there is not one thing i miss from that place.
Also, would like to hear opinions on prison privatization.
It is a convenient business model that has a strong lobby in various state political circles.
When is your paper due? [COLOR="White"]. . . [/COLOR] :stickpoke
Thanks mercenary, wasn't looking for a definition though... no paper due... just thought it'd be something to talk/argue about.... in other words, just felt like stirrin' up some shit
oh, privatized? what a joke. for my first two years i was at a
Geo group facility. talk about corrupt guards. they'd bring in buglers for $20 a pack, sell themselves for sex, didn't care about their jobs. hell, they make minimum wage to start out and are treated like shit from the inmates. i make more as a go kart jockey now and would definitely do that more than be a guard. don't get me wrong though. i'm only pointing out the bad apples here. there are plenty of guards that treat you with respect, as long as you do the same with them, and care about their jobs. those are the ones that make rank quickly and move up in the corporate ladder structure.
I'm not goin back either... that place sucks, I just wonder why I hate it so much that ill never go back, and others apparently don't hate it enough to straighten the hell up
easy, 3 hots and a cot. i guess. some people are just that way.
Guess so... I remember 3 colds and a mat! ha
lmao right! nah that's county! errr parish!
when i was transferred to south texas i worked the lunch shift in the scullery. it was hot as hell in there. like 125 degrees. no bullshit. thank gawd i was in shape. when i left there to come home i was doing 10 one arm pull ups with each arm. won many a bet with that one!
Lol... I did some months in work release working at a modern day American sweatshop so I know what u mean... and the prison itself (which was privately owned) took a substantial amount of my hard earned money
talk about corrupt guards. they'd bring in buglers for $20 a pack, sell themselves for sex, didn't care about their jobs.
buglers? cigs?
Sell
themselves for sex? to who?
WTF?
dude. you have no idea. it's so fucked up. bugler cigarettes are smuggled in by the guards. smokes are not allowed in texas. they buy a pack for 5 bucks then sell it to the inmate for 20! inmate gets $$ through the mail and visits. for example: a birthday card. it's thick. take a razor and slice into it on the horizontal plane. making a pocket of sorts. put the money in there then glue it back into place. mail it. use a fake name and address if it does get found on the way in. it is a felony you know. or come visit, pass the 20 or however much then shove it up your ass. take it in. pay the guard, get your smokes. that's how it works......
oh yeah, the sex
your "people" pay the guard. she in turn comes and gets you from your dorm for a made up reason. takes you to a secluded part of the prison, ie: no cameras, then proceeds to fuck the living shit out of you!
get the fuck out. I didn't know there were female guards for men. How much do they charge?
oh hell yeah there are! it aint cheap! going rate when i left was about $250. and that was for a nasty ass lookin chick!
The majority of female guards are in the "key" or "control room" at all times, however there are female guards with rank that are allowed to enter dorms, make rounds, etc... its the ones in the key that usually indulge in these corrupt activities... at least thats the way it is in louisiana
omg i just remembered!
there was a son and mother working there at newton. mom got busted (white) giving a black a blowjob. son only made it another week!!! he quit because of the obvious. mom got fired and last i heard had charges pending.
It was at 100 to $150 round here for a fugly chik when I left
damn I bet the son still feels that
The majority of female guards are in the "key" or "control room" at all times, however there are female guards with rank that are allowed to enter dorms, make rounds, etc... its the ones in the key that usually indulge in these corrupt activities... at least thats the way it is in louisiana
oh yeah. there was this fine...and i mean FIIIIIIIINE ass white chick that was QC and she got pregnant from a black inmate. not trying to be racist here but well, the blacks cause the most problems. it's fact. anyway her boyfriend was in germany waiting to be deployed to iraq or afghanistan. sucks for him. i remember her shaking down a cell in my dorm with her ass in the air. bending over like that. mmmmhm. perverted? no. lack of sex. damn she was beautiful. didn't get married to her boyfriend though. he dumped her ass and she went down for fucking an inmate.
fuuuuuuuuuuck. ha ha ha though.
not trying to be racist here but well, the blacks cause the most problems. it's fact.
There's no trying involved there plt, that
sounds pretty racist, but I'll let Dana field this one-- I'm no expert. :D
lol yeah, really i don't mean to be. every single fight i saw in prison was with a white and a black or messican and black. all started by the black. *shrugs* just sayin! :D
actually, on my way to the walls, i saw a black beat the living shit out of another black for being disrespectful to a chick at a rest stop/break for the guards. dude screamed out the window "hey ho! sho me yo pussay!" other dude said "you better check yo self cuz i will if you won't" they argued for 2 hours. all the way to darrington. then nigga #1 proceeded to beat the living hell out of nigga #2. not 5 feet away from me in the cage.
btw: for those not in the know, nigga is ok. nigga = dude in 85 speak.
Imma guess 85 speak relates to IQ
I know what you're saying, plt, Just razzing you.
In my experience... the t.v. or a pack of cigs were to blame on most of the riff Raff haha
lol 3foot! you got that right!
fish - yep. but we needed the guards to bring in the smokes!
In
Pennsyltucky we saw how efficiently the private prisons work.
The "Kids for cash" scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from the co-owner and builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts in order to ensure that the detention centers would be utilized.[1][2] Ciavarella and Conahan pleaded guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud and conspiracy to defraud the United States (failing to report income to the Internal Revenue Service, known as tax evasion) in connection with receiving $2.6 million in payments from managers at PA Child Care in Pittston Township and its sister company Western PA Child Care in Butler County.[3][4] The plea agreement was later voided by a federal judge, who was dissatisfied with the post-plea conduct of the defendants, and the two judges charged subsequently withdrew their guilty pleas, raising the possibility of a criminal trial.[5]
A federal grand jury in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania returned a 48 count indictment[6] against Ciavarella and Conahan including racketeering, fraud, money laundering, extortion, bribery and federal tax violations on September 9, 2009.[7][8]
Following the original plea agreement, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ordered an investigation of the cases handled by the judges and following its outcome overturned several hundred convictions of youths in Luzerne County.[9] The Juvenile Law Center filed a class action lawsuit against the judges and numerous other parties, and the state legislature created a commission to investigate the wide-ranging juvenile justice problems in the county.[10][11] (See: JLC's growing list of related Court Documents[12])What Griff said, our judicial system has enough issues as it is. Once you turn it profitable? So much more incentives to keep people in or send people to jail. Cut costs in any way to increase profit, ect. Human rights? Not where there is a profit to be made! I think FH's and plt's conversation goes a long way to show that our current system does not work. How many inmates get out of prison with no-to little valuables, no-to little work skill, and nowhere to live? Much less a means of getting a job. Getting hired as an ex-con? Maybe, but its not gonna pay as well as crime probably will. These are issues that need to be addressed. 1) We need to reduce the number of people going into prisons by getting rid of the 3strikes rule (I think its been shown not to be effective anyway), and decriminalizing marijuana. Increasing funding for education and after school programs (especially in poorer areas), increase access to birth control and sex education hopefully decreasing teenage and unplanned pregnancies by people who are not prepared for children.
2) Turn the prison system into more of a rehabilitation system rather than a punishment system. I think our recidivism rates show that punishment is not working.
3) Improve re-entry programs for cons returning to the world so its not such a huge shock to them, they have support, and also so that better tabs can be kept on them.
Those are just some of my humble ideas at least.
Oh, but none of the rehabilitation stuff goes for rapists...punish them, punish them for forever by hitting them with big dildos and hanging them upside down for hours at a time, don't let them eat anything but dog shit and chocolate ex-lax!
Uhm....sorry.
Re: private prison systems - Kaisich wants to privatize five of our prisons. Sounds like a fooking nightmare. Kaisich is gonna be a one term gov. for Ohio. People really HATE him.
Oh, but none of the rehabilitation stuff goes for rapists...punish them, punish them for forever by hitting them with big dildos and hanging them upside down for hours at a time, don't let them eat anything but dog shit and chocolate ex-lax!
This is a touchy subject but I've read that rehabilitation for rapists could be one of the most effective. Rape is inherently sexist and can only happens from someone that has no respect for that woman and her choices. And, I don't remember the exact number, like 85%+ of convicted rapists in this study have never had a strong woman figure in their life (dad beat their mom, mom left them, died, etc) so they never viewed women as people you respect. So the theory was that if you introduced a strong respectable woman figure in these men's life, they would learn to at least respect one woman and the chances of them repeating the crime would drastically decrease. I think the results were mostly positive but I haven't been able to find the study again.
Although in general, in order for rehabilitation to be effective, it would need to attack the root causes of the crime. This means individual attention from some specialist, which can be extremely expensive and non-standardized. I would like to the see this eventually implemented but I don't see it happening.
Re: private prison systems - Kaisich wants to privatize five of our prisons. Sounds like a fooking nightmare. Kaisich is gonna be a one term gov. for Ohio. People really HATE him.
I can't believe he got voted in, though I blame the people who went nutty to make sure they got the votes out for Obama at election time then sat on their laurels thinking this one would just land in their laps.
ALL ELECTIONS MATTER, PEOPLE.
Because, look what good stuff privatized for-profit schools are doing. :eyebrow: