About Abuse
Are you tired of being abused and/or belittled by monster and shawnee/infinite monkey?
No comments necessary. The poll is anonymous.
Lots of us have had enough.
It's time you girls realized how many people don't appreciate your behavior.
ya but, I like open warfare. so in lieu of voting...:rattat:
In all fairness, I think IM has been good, although I don't go looking.
I always picked you for a lover not a fighter sky. lol
Yes, I am a lover. I am a lover of honesty, justice and truth
but at the same time, if insect was crawling up my leg and all I had to get it off was a lighter, I would torch it.
SO....all in all thanks. That was a nice thing to say, ali:blush:
this is, in my opinion, an improper use of the anon log in.
whoever posted this poll is a coward.
I do not need an anon to say what I feel.
I do not need an anon to say what I feel.
and yet you are watching the thread like a hawk, replying to all, and you still only garnered 3 votes from 60 views. You shoulda made the poll not anon. Then I'd've voted for shits and grins. :D
Maybe whoever posted as anon did it that way so that everyone could remain anon about how they voted if they wanted to also.
I personally have had to deal with monster being nasty to me, so I'd so that I don't like it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.
so you address it the time, and sort it out, right?
THIS is bullshit
What's the difference between this and the 'self policing' thread?
I do get tired of the Cellar in general sometimes; if only it weren't such a great outlet and a great resource . . .
Some of it's alright and some of it is just unnecessary.
If consistency of any kind is important then you can't request that people keep it nice in one thread and then deal out a backhander in your byline to those who try to avoid participating in the fray. Reading the arguments can be fun, but why add to what is already there.
Discussion is fine as is pointing out errors in argument, but if you want people who are less confident of their ability to back up their views to continue posting, then the environment has to be comfortable.
What's the difference between this and the 'self policing' thread?
not much, other than lj not posting as anon. You can post an anon poll without using the anon account. But maybe anon didn't know that.
So If I'm found too bitchy for the cellar, am I expected to leave or change my ways? or are you going for the ban? :lol:
I don't know what you'd be expected to do, and I doubt you'd do anything other than what you wanted anyway.
Personally, I just wish you'd ease up. You don't have to post something smart arse just to refute a point, and I don't think you need to be so sarcastic all the time. It's just unpleasant.
It's just that the poster is asking for a certain amount of trust from the voters, that he or she is not giving. He or she wants to know how others feel without putting there feelings out there.
People like to know who they are responding to, especially when it's about a member of this forum.
I know some people fit in all categories. I just don't know who, or care to know who. I do care about the feelings of others and I like to play with sharp sticks.
That said,
It just felt wrong, so I couldn't vote. Plus, like I said, I've said it all enough anyway. No secret there.
the thing that bothers me most is this:
Lots of us have had enough.
which is saying that there has been some kind of meeting or consensus in which some imaginary group of clan elders has judged you wanting.
i give ali and sky props for actually having bawls enough to state their positions. right or wrong, they are doing it right. anon is not.
okay, look. I don't like to single out individual posters and I have not voted. I don't think it's productive or fair. Some people were saying some things about me the other day which were also not fair. Oh well. I am not anon, btw. Someone noticed and stuck up for me--turns out I have friends here, after all.
If you're gonna be nice, be nice. Otherwise, fuck off. (shrugs)
I didn't realize my position needed stating, thus the lack of a vote. I didn't know there was a posse. I wish people would speak up at the time something bothersome is happening.
This is like sending anonymous hate mail. It just isn't MY style.
I am not anon either.
I posted this thread anonymously because I was afraid of being abused further by the previously mentioned posters.
It wasn't my intention to hide as such. I simply thought it would be better if everyone just voted.
I only want monster to stop hurting people who don't deserve it, and I'd like shawnee to stop joining in (as if monster needs anyone to help her anyway). She just wont let things go. She can't have her say and shut up. She then follows the poster around and makes fun of everything they post till she finds another victim. It's not fair and it's not right.
Sorry to have offended anyone.
She just wont let things go. She can't have her say and shut up. She then follows the poster around and makes fun of everything they post till she finds another victim. It's not fair and it's not right.
No, it isn't right but you should just tell her.
I am confused about who the previous mentioned posters would be?
You mean abuse by not liking the vote with anon, vote with the masked person idea ;)
Look, there is standing with someone or for a principle and then there is wanting others to get their hands dirty, at their expense, for your own gain.
now, I'm going to bed
I think there are a lot of posters here who frequently go too far. The Cellar has a bit of a tradition, at least in the few years i've been here, of being rather... well, bitchy and prickly, but it was a good-natured sort of prickly. I don't wanna name names or give examples, but I think the cellar has its own culture of good-natured prickliness. I know I personally, outside the cellar, have a similar good-naturedly prickly personality. But I think, especially lately, things have often escalated too far, and there are posters here - many of them - who frequently escalate things too far.
but i wouldn't have ever singled monster out as one of them. Or Ali, or Cloud, or Shaw, or Infinite Monkey, or Jim, or, well, a lot of other frequent posters. I'm not really going to weigh in on whether or not it's a valid concern - i've been absent for a long while - and this also isn't the time or the place to single out the dwellars whose behavior concerns me the most. But... aside from concerns i've previously recently raised about my own concerns about what has changed about the cellar recently, I think the culture of the cellar has also gotten... more entrenched. I used to hear a lot of talk about the Cellar as being like a coffee shop, and the attitude towards the community being like, if not a coffee shop, a bar (or group of people at a bar), where the banhammer comes out in cases where, metaphorically, people come in with no concern for the other patrons or the establishment and run amok. but lately, i feel like it's become less like the "coffee shop" metaphor that was, last i checked, the guiding metaphor for the cellar's operation, and more... just, groups of warring factions, taking it all personally. None of the posters I've recently heard being accused the most of this sort of thing are ones i've noticed, myself, going beyond reasonability - EXCEPT in the widespread cases of longstanding vendettas carrying over from thread to thread.
I think a LOT of people here could all stand to cool off, back off, adopt more of an attitude that promotes the "i'm sorry, i didn't mean to offend, i wasn't trying to be personal" mindset that builds the close-knit, "coffee-shop" attitude of, even when there's mutual dislike and distrust and hurt, putting the community first, and trying to avoid conflict instead of trade blows and perpetuate it.
all too often, I find that lately, the attitude is "fuck you, i can post whatever i want, i don't care what you think of it, fuck off if you dont like it, it's a free forum and a free country and it's my right to post whatever I want." I'm not going to say that any of that isn't true. But i think that the right to be an asshole sometimes (or all the time) should not come ahead of the responsibility to the community to be both polite and respectful in a wider sense (if not always on a conversation-by-conversation basis).
Basically, I think a long series of back-and-forths, whoever started it or whoever's to blame or whoever's the most guilty, has set into motion an altogether unhealthy atmosphere for the Cellar to have. I can remember when, for example, rkzenrage was banned, it was because he consistently and unapologetically violated the sort of social contract that the Cellar operated under. I feel like we're losing more and more of that sense of collective agreement and social contract and community. And threads like this only fan the flames.
Very good reference to rkzenrage. Agreed.
You take the monster, you take the monkey
[COLOR="White"]You take the good, you take the bad,[/COLOR]
you take them both and there you see
[COLOR="white"]you take them both and there you have[/COLOR]
The Cellar strife, the Cellar strife.
[COLOR="white"]The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life. [/COLOR]
There's a time you got to go and show
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You're pollin' now you know about
[COLOR="white"]You're growin' now you know about[/COLOR]
The Cellar strife, the Cellar strife
[COLOR="white"]The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.[/COLOR]
When the Cellar never seems
[COLOR="white"]When the world never seems[/COLOR]
to be livin' up to your dreams
[COLOR="white"]to be livin' up to your dreams[/COLOR]
And suddenly you're finding out
[COLOR="white"]And suddenly you're finding out [/COLOR]
the Cellar strife is all about you, you.
[COLOR="white"]the Facts of Life are all about you, you[/COLOR]
It takes a lot to get it right
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When your're learning 'bout Cellar strife.
[COLOR="white"]When you're learning the facts of life.[/COLOR]
(learning 'bout Cellar strife).
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What more needs to be said?
What's the difference between this and the 'self policing' thread?
I think there's a significant difference, aside from the anonymity angle. The self-policing thread was about a number of combatants and the effect their combat was starting to have. This thread is about a single side in a conflict.
Whilst I sympathise with the OP for feeling bullied, I cannot help but think that this thread is no more than an attempt to redirect the Cellar's energies into bullying someone else.
This is a community, but it is also an open forum on the internet. Robust exchanges, and sporadic feuding is the norm. We all lock onto things in the Cellar. When I return to see what's new in the forums I am particularly scanning for threads I have been involved in. If the same is true during a bout of 'feuding' it can seem like stalking. Added to that is the constant temptation in forum communication to go for the laugh and the jugula in equal measure. We all do it sometimes, I suspect. It is more than possible for someone to 'accidentally' bully another in text.
Which is one very good reason for having moderators.
If any dwellar genuinely feels they are being bullied or intimidated by another dwellar, we have moderators who can be contacted. A couple of PMs between 'bullied' and moderator, and then a couple of PMs between moderator and 'bully' should be enough, in most instances to cool things down. Chances are the 'bully' has no idea that some of their words have hit hard.
You are not the first person who has been put off by my sarcastic and often acidic sense of humor. It isn't for everyone.
As to being followed around and poked at ffs I get that a lot from a dwellar who.
, if you paid the slightest attention to the community you so fear for, would see that cycle that is always ignored. That is fine with me because I can fight for myself. This supposed disappointment of yours comes to light because...why? I suspect a hit nerve.
For the record I speak up for monster because she has shown kindnesses to me that I don't always deserve. She chooses to see the bigger picture that is me. It's called friendship.
Posting in chunks because I'm using my phone.
Also, I believe in honest relationships. Pretending to be who someone wants one to be to gain favor is a sad way to live one's life.
There is a small faction who can understand that, and who know a little bit about my heart. Those people keep me coming back. To your chagrin, apparently.
Lastly I find it intricately more trollish, disruptive, and insecure to post this as part of an anonymous colective (not to be confused with the other collective) anonymously portraying some sort of virtual lynch mob. You and your posse should each post your grievances here as youselves. Helpful discussion might ensue. Or I may tell you to go fuck yourselves. :lol:
Then we can dance around the Festivus pole.
Oh, and, if you cut me do I not bleed? You might consider that as you judg from your perch.
I am not a part of any collective. This is about the roman (singular) telling would be gladiators, that he/she has their back.
We know how that went down.
Lastly, I am glad this thread didn't piss you off too much I.M. Aside from the rolling emotions, at times, we all have them. I think underneath, you have really big good heart and a good soul.
I can remember when, for example, rkzenrage was banned, it was because he consistently and unapologetically violated the sort of social contract that the Cellar operated under.
rkzenrage was banned by his own request.
I come here to be entertained, and informed. The petty bickering sometimes is just to much. But don't change because of me, sometimes I like it.
I wish to reiterate that I am not Anon/the OP. Not something I would do.
Yeah, Monster picked on me. It's not the first time, or the last. Oh well. Nothing I can do to prevent people from being unpleasant--they have to live with themselves.
I like what Ibram said. The Cellar has a nasty undercurrent and combative spirit which, frankly, I do not get. I do wish the people who come here to be instigators and spectators of strife would evolve past the ape stage.
"Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards."
I'm biased because I like IM and Monster and usually find their posting styles to be smart and funny...in other words, entertaining. Both of them can be acerbic at times, but they usually have a reason for it...and if you don't understand the history, you wont appreciate their responses.
I feel left out more than anything. I never get abused. It really goes to show how much of a clique the cellar has become. I mean who do you have to blow around here to be insulted?
rkzenrage was banned by his own request.
fair enough. retracted, at least in example, if not in spirit.
I'll toss in my 2 cents.
First off, I didn't start this thread.
I've been on the shit end of the stick from monnie, shaw and others. I've been on the other end as well. So what? Anon, either do something, say something or leave. That's the way it is here. No moderator is going to ban someone or do anything here just because a couple people are perceived as mean or nasty or because they pick on someone.
Personally I dislike some posters here. I think that we each have to deal with people we do not like IRL as well. I requested a temporary ban to prevent a situation from escalating - instead of shitting on every thread and turning each of them into a bitch session.
I also like many of the people who post here. Some of whom I talk to or interact with IRL as well. I am lucky that I am geographically close to them.
I agree, much to his chagrin, with Ibby's post. The cellar is like a living & ever evolving place - people come and people go. Its never going back to what it was - nothing is.
I miss a lot of the interaction that I used to have here. I also regret some things that I posted. I miss some of the people that no longer post here as well. That is life. Things change. People move on. I choose to post here a lot less because that is best for me.
I feel left out more than anything. I never get abused. It really goes to show how much of a clique the cellar has become. I mean who do you have to blow around here to be insulted?
I'd offer to abuse you 3F just so you feel more included, but you haven't pissed me off enough yet. You'll have to try harder.
Also Ibby, if you feel the Cellar A) used to be a more civil place, and B) stands to benefit from an improved level of discourse, your first move should be to change your signature.
It kind of shits on both your points.
I come here to be entertained, and informed. The petty bickering sometimes is just to much. But don't change because of me, sometimes I like it.
This.
And most of what Classic said. And Ibs.
Also Ibby, if you feel the Cellar A) used to be a more civil place, and B) stands to benefit from an improved level of discourse, your first move should be to change your signature.
It kind of shits on both your points.
yeah, but i'm sick of letting everyone else have all the fun being nasty. at least my sig is a quote said personally to me.
Ibram, I'm with UT here.
You had Clod's amusing, more recent and more positive post for quite a while.
Why go back to something so unpleasant?
Yes, Merc wrote it, but it does not reflect the Cellar, and after all this time I don't think it actually reflects his view either.
FTR I think Monster is funny and informative 95% of the time. But when someone riles her she can get personal to the point of being spiteful. She can go from 0- incandescent in one post. I don't know if you really feel angry, Monster, but you do sometimes come across at a white-hot level.
I haven't voted in the poll because I don't think it's the right way to address things.
BTW, FTR, I voted: "No: I don't like how they respond to some posters."
Kthxbai.
I feel left out more than anything. I never get abused. It really goes to show how much of a clique the cellar has become. I mean who do you have to blow around here to be insulted?
You want Room 12.
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the thing that bothers me most is this:
which is saying that there has been some kind of meeting or consensus in which some imaginary group of clan elders has judged you wanting.
i give ali and sky props for actually having bawls enough to state their positions. right or wrong, they are doing it right. anon is not.
blah blah blah. you forgot to end your criticism with "...in my opinion."
In my opinion, this is the *core* of the vast majority of the arguments on the cellar, indeed, most of the arguments in our society from politics to baseball and around again. ["In my opinion,] Policy ABC, which is supported only by poopyheads like you, is stooopit." When I hear "arguments" made in this way, I fill in the missing "in my opinion" for the speaker, as I have done for (myself) on your behalf, jimhelm.
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In my opinion, monster's remarks are sometimes funny, sometimes informative, but the most memorable ones are unfunny and vitriolic personal attacks, voiced, naturally, in her opinion. I am tired of the abuse monster dishes out so freely.
... For the record I speak up for monster because she has shown kindnesses to me that I don't always deserve. She chooses to see the bigger picture that is me. It's called friendship.
Be that as it may for now, everyone knows the story of the organ grinder and the monkey and what the organ grinder does to the monkey at the end.
Ibram, I'm with UT here.
You had Clod's amusing, more recent and more positive post for quite a while.
Why go back to something so unpleasant?
Yes, Merc wrote it, but it does not reflect the Cellar, and after all this time I don't think it actually reflects his view either.
So why didn't he also post my public apology to the statement I made?
I think a LOT of people here could all stand to cool off, back off, adopt more of an attitude that promotes the "i'm sorry, i didn't mean to offend, i wasn't trying to be personal" mindset that builds the close-knit, "coffee-shop" attitude of, even when there's mutual dislike and distrust and hurt, putting the community first, and trying to avoid conflict instead of trade blows and perpetuate it.
all too often, I find that lately, the attitude is "fuck you, i can post whatever i want, i don't care what you think of it, fuck off if you dont like it, it's a free forum and a free country and it's my right to post whatever I want." I'm not going to say that any of that isn't true. But i think that the right to be an asshole sometimes (or all the time) should not come ahead of the responsibility to the community to be both polite and respectful in a wider sense (if not always on a conversation-by-conversation basis).
Basically, I think a long series of back-and-forths, whoever started it or whoever's to blame or whoever's the most guilty, has set into motion an altogether unhealthy atmosphere for the Cellar to have. I can remember when, for example, rkzenrage was banned, it was because he consistently and unapologetically violated the sort of social contract that the Cellar operated under. I feel like we're losing more and more of that sense of collective agreement and social contract and community. And threads like this only fan the flames.
Look in the mirror dude. You fail in a big way with your sig line. I apologized to you in public soon after that post. You are a martyr. And with your posting in the sig line you prove yourself to be a One Trick Pony. Get on with your life. How many years ago was that post made? You are going to let a single post define your life and existence for how many years now?
Or, he's angry that you're not more like him 'cause he has a crush on you ... you tease!
Well, good question. Since I am as old or older than his father, I certainly hope not.
Personally I don't like this thread, I think its in bad taste and anon is trying to get support to gang up on IM and Monnie. I like both of them, most of the time, sometimes a poster (not just those two) will attack another poster in a way/reason I just don't understand. I like sarcasm, and I think I can tell when a poster is being sarcastic, but when I see personal attacks they make me less likely to post my own opinion because I know I would not be able to shrug it off if I were attacked that way and would turn my own kind of nasty. I'm just too much of a coward to handle that, and part of the reason why I have not been a prolific poster lately. I think we might not know each other as well as we think and have filled in the gaps in facts we have about other posters with our own perceptions. I kinda wish we could all reset our personal biases and grudges we have against one another that we've developed over our long time posting here. In fact, I will make it my goal to do that.
MTP, what we do is "fill in the gaps" with assumptions we make about other posters based on the limited exposure that we have to individuals based upon the very limited postings we are exposed to on this Forum. This is such a microcosm of who we are as people. To try to box or define each other outside of this medium, other than within the confines of this medium, and to make assumptions about who we are in real life is a huge mistake. These interactions are far from real life understandings of each other, no matter how hard we try or how many little secrets we try to feed each other as an attempt to be part of the community.
MTP, what we do is "fill in the gaps" with assumptions we make about other posters based on the limited exposure that we have to individuals based upon the very limited postings we are exposed to on this Forum. This is such a microcosm of who we are as people. To try to box or define each other outside of this medium, other than within the confines of this medium, and to make assumptions about who we are in real life is a huge mistake. These interactions are far from real life understandings of each other, no matter how hard we try or how many little secrets we try to feed each other as an attempt to be part of the community.
That was my point. Are you trying to explain that to me or just expand on my original statement? I'm sorry, I'm just confused since you directed the post at me, I feel like you're trying to explain my own point to me. Maybe I was not as clear as I meant to be?
It's time you girls realized how many people don't appreciate your behavior.
Then "many people" should speak up and say something about it. Otherwise shut the fuck up. The anonymous account is not a vehicle for making sniper attacks. This thread is despicable and cowardly. Shame on you. If you can't manage your affairs better than this, then please leave this website and take your shitty attitude with you,
whoever you are.
P.S. Your poll options don't make any sense, dumbfuck.
Signed, Flint
Feel free to address all comments regarding THIS post to ME.
That was my point. Are you trying to explain that to me or just expand on my original statement? I'm sorry, I'm just confused since you directed the post at me, I feel like you're trying to explain my own point to me. Maybe I was not as clear as I meant to be?
1) I was agreeing and expounding on your point. So I guess that means I was expanding on your original statement.
2) Why would you feel like I am trying to explain something to you that you already understand and feel. Stop reading into my post. It stands by itself as well as plays off what you already stated.
What flint said , grow some ballz or STFU !!!!!
2) Why would you feel like I am trying to explain something to you that you already understand and feel.
I'm sorry, I'm just confused since you directed the post at me, I feel like you're trying to explain my own point to me.
Like I said, sorry for my confusion, I was not trying to 'read into your post.' Just the addressing me specifically threw me off. Thank you for clearing that up.
Listen up, anon et al. I ain't gonna change. You don't like it? Tough. You want rid? Make this place so floral, wishy-washy and marshmallow-post infested I can't take it any more. But I will fight such invasions until it ain't worth it, and I suspect I'm not alone, so you have your work cut out. But feel free to try.
Yes, I'm like this in real life. My time is valuable, I don't waste it on people who are intolerably dumb or irritating in my opinion. You get a couple of chances, then you get ignored and if your idiocy makes you unignorable, then I'mm'a tell you about it. And then it's done. Out of sight out of mind. You really don't know anyone like that in real life? Or you just expect the interweb to be all Snow White and Disney?
FFS look at the user name I picked. Sometimes you can judge a book by the cover if it's graphic enough.
If you can't stand the heat, you really should get out of the kitchen. If you allow your feelings to be hurt by strangers on the interwebs, then this is not the place for you. I don't expect, need or want to be liked by everyone. So "ouch, my feelings". Seems like maybe you do. This is just not a realistic outlook on life.
But I voted against me to try and give you a little emotional boost there ;) Now rub some dirt in it and man up.
... in my opinion.
She said "in my opinion." Another trademark post. These are the good old days,
IMHO.
'twas especially for you, honey. ;)
Yes, I'm like this in real life. My time is valuable, I don't waste it on people who are intolerably dumb or irritating in my opinion. You get a couple of chances, then you get ignored and if your idiocy makes you unignorable, then I'mm'a tell you about it.
This is a completely voluntary recreational board. Meaning you are free to participate, or not; respond, or not, anyway you like. All idiotic posts or posters are completely ignorable in that case because you do not have to respond to them. You are not forced, you don't have to interact with them on any level, you don't even have to see their face. I hate to break it to you, but you have wasted valuable time on intolerable dumb and irritating posters who were ignorable, since they all are ignorable.
If you can't stand the heat, you really should get out of the kitchen. If you allow your feelings to be hurt by strangers on the interwebs, then this is not the place for you. I don't expect, need or want to be liked by everyone. So "ouch, my feelings". Seems like maybe you do. This is just not a realistic outlook on life.
This is not the general "interwebs," this is the Cellar. The Cellar is a social outlet for many dwellers, that means we probably see each other as friends or acquaintances that we want to hang out with for the most part. I don't get my feelings hurt by strangers, I get my feelings hurt by friends and acquaintances. Do I want to be liked by
everyone? No. Do I want to be liked by the friends and acquaintances I choose to spend time with? Yes, otherwise I'd be a huge masochist, and I'm not. I do like your input a lot of the time and would like to respect/have your respect monnie, just as I would with a friend. If you don't give a fuck what your friends and acquaintances think of you or if you hurt their feelings, then I can't imagine why you would even bother socializing with them, obviously you don't like them.
This is not the general "interwebs," this is the Cellar. The Cellar is a social outlet for many dwellers, that means we probably see each other as friends or acquaintances that we want to hang out with for the most part. I don't get my feelings hurt by strangers, I get my feelings hurt by friends and acquaintances. Do I want to be liked by
everyone? No. Do I want to be liked by the friends and acquaintances I choose to spend time with? Yes, otherwise I'd be a huge masochist, and I'm not. I do like your input a lot of the time and would like to respect/have your respect monnie, just as I would with a friend. If you don't give a fuck what your friends and acquaintances think of you or if you hurt their feelings, then I can't imagine why you would even bother socializing with them, obviously you don't like them.
It's not a closed board, though. It's open to all on the interwebs. Some I would not choose to spend time with. And some I consider close friends and acquantances. The latter... if they call me out on a post I hurt and/or I apologize. The former..........
I find it ironic you call me monnie here, when you're saying you're sorta cool with me in the main ....I really, really don't like that name and it's one of the names that the non-monster-people use to try and rattle my cage. :lol:
You do have my respect mtp, for what that's worth. But don't call me monnie. Or stupid. DON'T CALL ME STUPID!
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(FTR - I didn't know that monster hated the nickname 'monnie' for a very, very long time and when I used it [monnie] I certainly meant no offense.)
Now. This is for everyone here: :flower:
Let's move on.
They've done their grazing. Now,
HEAD 'EM UP, MOVE 'EM OUT.
This turned out to be the funniest thread I've read in a very long time. It had everything: sour grapes, crying, wailing, sniffeling, grovelling, kissing, hand-holding, boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy realizes girl is better than him, crescendoing into a thrilling denouement, before falling lightly to its expected conclusion. A morality play, if you will. I laughed! I cried! I saved 5 bucks!
If people don't talk about you, you must be boring. :lol:
Thanks for making my day. :)
Is it a comedy? (ends with a wedding)
Or a tragedy? (ends with a death)
:)
Why not both?
Let's ask Pathos and Laughos.
Meh. In my opinion, we've all been assholes, we've all been nasty (except maybe Clodfobble), we've all been nice. I didn't vote, and I won't, fwiw.
blah blah blah. you forgot to end your criticism with "...in my opinion."
In my opinion, this is the *core* of the vast majority of the arguments on the cellar, indeed, most of the arguments in our society from politics to baseball and around again. ["In my opinion,] Policy ABC, which is supported only by poopyheads like you, is stooopit." When I hear "arguments" made in this way, I fill in the missing "in my opinion" for the speaker, as I have done for (myself) on your behalf, jimhelm.
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In my opinion, monster's remarks are sometimes funny, sometimes informative, but the most memorable ones are unfunny and vitriolic personal attacks, voiced, naturally, in her opinion. I am tired of the abuse monster dishes out so freely.
I don't know, V... I think most people are smart enough to realize that most of the things I say ARE my opinion. If I was stating a fact about something I knew for sure to be true, I think I would make that clear. So, I thank you for editing my post to suit yourself, but if you don't mind, I'll write my own lines.
blah blah blah yourself.
This is the public sphere.
What happens here is largely uncontrolled.
Also: what happens here is largely insignificant.
If your 'feelings' are wounded by the commentary of *folks you've never met and have no reason to think twice about, then: there is far more 'wrong' with YOU than with THEM.
Grow up.
*As I voted above: both Monkey and Monster amuse me. But: even if both just chafed my ass -- again -- this is an uncontrolled public sphere.
I can choose to 'ignore' (tell the 'offender' to go and fuck him- or her-self and be done with him or her), to 'fight' (the cogent argument to counter the 'nastiness'), or to 'cry like baby' (like running some little poll).
Again: grow up.
You know what Jim's user title should be? "Yes, the things I say ARE my opinion If Frank Sinatra Says It's OK". 'Cause Frank calls the shots for Jim.
"This turned out to be the funniest thread I've read in a very long time. It had everything: sour grapes, crying, wailing, sniffeling, grovelling, kissing, hand-holding, boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy realizes girl is better than him, crescendoing into a thrilling denouement, before falling lightly to its expected conclusion. A morality play, if you will. I laughed! I cried! I saved 5 bucks!"
See here?
This is funny!
You all should be so lucky as to be able to do what Monkey and Monster do.
we've all been nasty (except maybe Clodfobble)
Pshaw. You haven't been paying close enough attention. I have a bitter streak a mile wide. ;)
"This turned out to be the funniest thread I've read in a very long time. It had everything: sour grapes, crying, wailing, sniffeling, grovelling, kissing, hand-holding, boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy realizes girl is better than him, crescendoing into a thrilling denouement, before falling lightly to its expected conclusion. A morality play, if you will. I laughed! I cried! I saved 5 bucks!"
See here?
This is funny!
You all should be so lucky as to be able to do what Monkey and Monster do.
:lol:
The green-eyed monster. Wait. That's not fair to monster. :p:
Jealousy is a wasted emotion.
so, the Cellar is the kind of tavern where customers wander in, are attacked and gang raped, while the regulars stand around and applaud and the bartenders film the show for later laughs.
good to know. I'll spread the word.
so, the Cellar is the kind of tavern where customers wander in, are attacked and gang raped, while the regulars stand around and applaud and the bartenders film the show for later laughs.
good to know. I'll spread the word.
If you don't like it, please leave. But for God's sake please stop the fucking whining.
As to your veiled threat of actively trying to drive members away from this site, remember the rules:
There are only three RULES of the Cellar.
Do not try to break the law using the Cellar.
Do not try to break the Cellar.
Do not be "intolerably irritating".
Do not try to break the Cellar. If you don't like it, fucking LEAVE. On the way out: SHUT THE FUCK UP. Fucking crybabies.
What a lovely, completely selfless, and productive thing you did starting this thread, anon. I bet you're so proud.
"so, the Cellar is the kind of tavern where customers wander in, are attacked and gang raped, while the regulars stand around and applaud and the bartenders film the show for later laughs."
This, Cloud, is horseshit.
In the entire history of the net: not a single bunghole in any forum was ever reamed by finger or cock, *in-forum.
'Rape': pffftt!
'Oh, the drama!', indeed.
Grow up.
*In the real world is another matter entirely... ;)
I saw Clodfobble put the legs off a spider
#notintendedasafactualstatement
This is the make-up sex part of the drama isn't it? Or is it the made-up sex part?
What a lovely, completely selfless, and productive thing you did starting this thread, anon. I bet you're so proud.
*snort*
BTW Haggis is so yesterday, we need a replacement. Jus' sayin'
oh and thanks to those who said nice things, and to those who said nasty things. One lot made me feel good and the other lot made me laugh. If only some of them could have stopped my child puking.... and which one of you bastards fed him whatever it is that came back up? 'Cause it sure don't look like it ever was food :vomitblu:
so, the Cellar is the kind of tavern where customers wander in, are attacked and gang raped, while the regulars stand around and applaud and the bartenders film the show for later laughs.
good to know. I'll spread the word.
This is such a ridiculous thing for you to say. You know good and well that we do NOT attack every newcomer.
Sometimes we do if they come in strong and shitty.
This thread was about long standing members being too mean for some anonymous flower to deal with like an adult. You using the term 'gang-rape' is inflammatory and insulting. IN MY not so humble OPINION.
sorry, but it isn't horseshit--it's just the kind of place this is. This is why kids are learning to be bullies--from their parents, who fail to teach or practice compassion or respect. inflammatory? you've got to be fucking kidding me, after the shit slung here routinely by so-called "grown ups." It is not grown up to bully other people just because they are not in your face in real life.
This is the make-up sex part of the drama isn't it? Or is it the made-up sex part?
Noooo, that would mean the show is almost over?!?!?!?!?!!!!1!
Well, I'll leave you with this, and in deference, of course, to jim's buddy Frank:
(sing loudly and with purpose)
And now the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend I'll say it clear
I'll state my case of which I'm certain
I've lived a life that's full
I traveled each and every highway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Regrets I've had a few
But then again too few to mention
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
I did it my way
Yes there were times I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew
But through it all when there was doubt
I ate it up and spit it out, I faced it all
And I stood tall and did it my way
I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now as tears subside
I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say not in a shy way
Oh no, oh no, not me
I did it my way
For what is a man what has he got
If not himself then he has not
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way
Yes it was my way
Isn't euthenasia is a form of compassion?
Some might also argue that -like to many things- compassion and respect need to be applied judiciously in order to be effective and meaningful. Well they might.
sorry, but it isn't horseshit--it's just the kind of place this is. This is why kids are learning to be bullies--from their parents, who fail to teach or practice compassion or respect. inflammatory? you've got to be fucking kidding me, after the shit slung here routinely by so-called "grown ups." It is not grown up to bully other people just because they are not in your face in real life.
yes, inflammatory.
comparing anything that happens on this site to gang rape is certainly inflammatory. gang rape. pah.
and now, we're all bad parents, too?
Cloud, why are you so bitter?
I would also contend that a "disguised 'invisible enemy' and there's a whole damn group of us!" thread and poll are bullying too, just the most cowardly form of it.
you can insert a less "inflammatory" scenario if it makes you feel better. I dunno--stoning?
I'm not bitter--I'm disgusted. You all justify your bad behavior with high fives and pack mentality, but I don't buy it. I don't agree it's okay to be despicable bullies. I don't agree it's okay to laugh at people at their expense. I don't agree that it's okay to treat people like shit in RL or on the Internet.
If you guys get off on ego and power games, that's up to you. But with every exchange I'm more confident and secure in the way I treat people in my own life.
you can insert a less "inflammatory" scenario if it makes you feel better. I dunno--stoning?
How about this:
This is the kind of place where if you act like a tit, you get called on it.
verbally.
which is, of course, the purpose of this thread.
This is a crybaby coward thread. Don't fool yourself into thinking you accomplished anything.
You're right--I see no accomplishments here. But I didn't post the thread.
I know. We heard from EVERYONE who felt the need to say they didn't post the thread. NO ONE posted this thread. This thread was a virgin birf. Do virgin birfs produce afterbirf?
:lol:
doubt it, 'cause I know who posted it.
:zzz:
Now please, this thread is about how horrible I am! ME ME ME. Quit mucking it up with your 'poor me' crap.
Listen up, anon et al. I ain't gonna change. You don't like it? Tough. You want rid? Make this place so floral, wishy-washy and marshmallow-post infested I can't take it any more. But I will fight such invasions until it ain't worth it, and I suspect I'm not alone, so you have your work cut out. But feel free to try.
FFS look at the user name I picked. Sometimes you can judge a book by the cover if it's graphic enough.
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Curious. What do the 'bold'ed statements mean EXACTLY? What do you mean by marshmallow-wishy washy,Disney land and how do you exactly plan to fight this imaginary invasion?
Specific examples of both please.
This is a completely voluntary recreational board. Meaning you are free to participate, or not; respond, or not, anyway you like. All idiotic posts or posters are completely ignorable in that case because you do not have to respond to them. You are not forced, you don't have to interact with them on any level, you don't even have to see their face. I hate to break it to you, but you have wasted valuable time on intolerable dumb and irritating posters who were ignorable, since they all are ignorable.
This is not the general "interwebs," this is the Cellar. The Cellar is a social outlet for many dwellers, that means we probably see each other as friends or acquaintances that we want to hang out with for the most part. I don't get my feelings hurt by strangers, I get my feelings hurt by friends and acquaintances. Do I want to be liked by
everyone? No. Do I want to be liked by the friends and acquaintances I choose to spend time with? Yes, otherwise I'd be a huge masochist, and I'm not. I do like your input a lot of the time and would like to respect/have your respect monnie, just as I would with a friend. If you don't give a fuck what your friends and acquaintances think of you or if you hurt their feelings, then I can't imagine why you would even bother socializing with them, obviously you don't like them.
Good post, even though I read recreational as reactionary the first time
I have observed that people, by and large, do not respect honesty. We seem to live in an age of over-sensitivity and sugar-coated eggshells. I contend that man's natural response to this unnatural condition is manifest as the oft observed "internet behavior," which is stated to be INsensitive and OVERLY honest. Although the honesty is misidentified as malice, because people are so unaccustomed to hearing honest discourse.
Conversely, some among us, let us call them "the weak," cling to the sheltered world of HR Departments, Political Correctness, and Homeowner's Associations. These weak, sub-human worms have been conditioned NOT to stand up for themselves and NOT to speak their minds freely.
To be perfectly clear about it: I consider these people to be the enemy of what is right and good. I vehemently reject their dangerous notions.
Well Flint, it's easier to lay about and whine.
I, for one, am glad I inherited a backbone from my parents.
Everyone is in control of how they react to any statement or person they "know" on the internet. Feelings are manipulated only if your free will is non existent.
I have observed that people, by and large, do not respect honesty. We seem to live in an age of over-sensitivity and sugar-coated eggshells. I contend that man's natural response to this unnatural condition is manifest as the oft observed "internet behavior," which is stated to be INsensitive and OVERLY honest. Although the honesty is misidentified as malice, because people are so unaccustomed to hearing honest discourse.
Conversely, some among us, let us call them "the weak," cling to the sheltered world of HR Departments, Political Correctness, and Homeowner's Associations. These weak, sub-human worms have been conditioned NOT to stand up for themselves and NOT to speak their minds freely.
To be perfectly clear about it: I consider these people to be the enemy of what is right and good. I vehemently reject their dangerous notions.
Intelligent people can be honest without being a dick.
geez, I have to wonder if some of these posters are evening listening to themselves.
Intelligent people can be honest without being a dick.
And reciprocally intelligent people can accept honest commentary without perceiving it as delivered with "dick" intent. Logic places the burden of perception on the perceiver, NOT the deliverer. I am surrounded in my life by many intelligent people who prefer, who DEMAND, this arrangement.
Cloud, as a spokesperson for myself and myself alone, characterized here as "some of these posters," I don't have to "listen to myself" to confirm the lifetime of thought that has gone into this. These are not reactionary, offhand comments. This is not going away.
geez, I have to wonder if some of these posters are evening listening to themselves.
IKR Some of them say the same thing over and over as if with freqency comes truth.
Yes, it IS horseshit...to get your gherkin jerked by words on a screen written by folks you don't know is horseshit.
To conflate the shenanigans in the cellar (or any forum) with rape is horseshit (horseshit with the intent of causing 'reaction' instead of 'response').
If your feelings are hurt it's because you invest the words with meaning, not because the words have any meaning in and of themselves.
Again: grow up...or: get thee to a *nunnery.
*
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nunnery
:)
I've seen sibling who has one of the strongest spines I have ever come across and who is also exceedingly wise and non-confrontational at all times diffuse any number of potentially explosive situations by refusing to engage with the conflict rather than the person. Takes all types but the world needs people like this to prevent the small stuff escalating out of control and to bring the big stuff back into perspective so that it can be sorted.
And reciprocally intelligent people can accept honest commentary without perceiving it as delivered with "dick" intent. Logic places the burden of perception on the perceiver, NOT the deliverer.
This is the more
adult world view...the more self-actualized. Unfortunately, for some people, (probably many) it is not always that easy to attain or even maintain, but always worth striving for. I have to admit, Flint, that your honesty is sometimes hard to take, but even though it can smart, I am able to see its worth. A
little charm mixed in
wouldn't hurt however.
This is the more adult world view...the more self-actualized. Unfortunately, for some people, (probably many) it is not always that easy to attain or even maintain, but always worth striving for. I have to admit, Flint, that your honesty is sometimes hard to take, but even though it can smart, I am able to see its worth. A little charm mixed in wouldn't hurt however.
Thank you for the feedback. Believe it or not, I put
a great deal of effort into tact and diplomacy. Mincing words doesn't come naturally to me, and I understand that this can be a social liability. It's a constant struggle for me.
At some point, though, I do feel that simply accepting myself for who I am and seeing my traits as STRENGTHS is what has allowed me to enjoy a previously unimaginable level of success and happiness.
I attribute this to my wonderful wife who has always accepted and supported me for who I am, and with whom I have earned the privilege of participating in a completely open, honest relationship which many observers have identified as a rarity.
... by refusing to engage with the conflict rather than the person ...
Take note of the fundamental quality of this thread: THERE IS NO "person" TO ENGAGE. Nothing but faceless conflict has been offered.
Thank you for the feedback. Believe it or not, I put a great deal of effort into tact and diplomacy. Mincing words doesn't come naturally to me, and I understand that this can be a social liability. It's a constant struggle for me.
At some point, though, I do feel that simply accepting myself for who I am and seeing my traits as STRENGTHS is what has allowed me to enjoy a previously unimaginable level of success and happiness.
I attribute this to my wonderful wife who has always accepted and supported me for who I am, and with whom I have earned the privilege of participating in a completely open, honest relationship which many observers have identified as a rarity.
Nicely said, Flint.
Thank you for the feedback. Believe it or not, I put a great deal of effort into tact and diplomacy. Mincing words doesn't come naturally to me, and I understand that this can be a social liability. It's a constant struggle for me.
At some point, though, I do feel that simply accepting myself for who I am and seeing my traits as STRENGTHS is what has allowed me to enjoy a previously unimaginable level of success and happiness.
I attribute this to my wonderful wife who has always accepted and supported me for who I am, and with whom I have earned the privilege of participating in a completely open, honest relationship which many observers have identified as a rarity.
I see a new career in the future for you Flint. I'm thinking you should take over writing acceptance speeches for awards shows.
I dunno, after reading all 100+ posts in this thread, I've come to the conclusion that I still don't like the color scheme of the bars in the poll's response chart.
Logic places the burden of perception on the perceiver, NOT the deliverer.
Logic is not always readily available when people get emotional. Perception is in the mind of the beholder. That is a truth that will set you/anyone free.
If any dear poster on this forum decides I am an asshole/dick my feelings about it are unaffected. I realize, and pardon the ethnic vernacular, they don't know me! Now if a person that I am attached to emotionally has this comment to me I may attach my emotion to it and be pissed off. But I am the one that had the feeling about it one way or another and only I can turn this on or off.
"Luke, remember your failure in the cave!"
I still can't believe TW started this thread.
And reciprocally intelligent people can accept honest commentary without perceiving it as delivered with "dick" intent. Logic places the burden of perception on the perceiver, NOT the deliverer. I am surrounded in my life by many intelligent people who prefer, who DEMAND, this arrangement.
Honest commentary is not what upsets me about monsters behaviour. It's the way she tries to make others feel small or stupid constantly.
I think almost everyone here is intelligent enough to know when they're being insulted and when they're being offered honest commentary.
This is not about differences of opinion. It's about someone running around the board being a bitch to the same people over and over again.
Personally what I find most disappointing is that Shawnee was never like that in the past. I don't know what's changed in her mindset to encourage her to be someone's lacky instead of thinking for herself. It's a shame. I used to hold her in high esteem.
What you just said sounds like :::ahem::: in my opnion, catty sniping. So even if what you say is objectively true--it includes you as well.
Gee Flint, I was just trying to be honest... :rolleyes:
You may be right though. I guess it depends on your perception.
My intention was to point out what my problems are with monster's posts and to a secondary degree, to ask Shawnee why her own style seems to have changed so much.
To recap though. I don't believe you have to be a bitch to be honest, so suggesting that bitchiness is honesty is bullshit in my opinion.
I still can't believe TW started this thread.
I lol a little bit...
Gee Flint, I was just trying to be honest... :rolleyes:
You may be right though. I guess it depends on your perception.
My intention was to point out what my problems are with monster's posts and to a secondary degree, to ask Shawnee why her own style seems to have changed so much.
To recap though. I don't believe you have to be a bitch to be honest, so suggesting that bitchiness is honesty is bullshit in my opinion.
Ali, Just read post# 60 out-loud to yourself. Imagine her saying it and imagine any IRL person saying the same thing. Once you realize she is totally insane, you'll feel better about the lack of enthusiasm for this poll.
sky, monster is not totally insane.
I am sorry. You are right. Not 'totally'. Just M.O. I know it is MY personal perception and my problem. If people want to take a bashing, without sticking up for themselves, at the time it is happening, so be it.
Bolded is key imo also
What is insane about this? I read this post and agreed with every word. It reads like an Ayn Rand character, or lyrics to a Rush song. This resonates with me. If you think this is crazy, I can't understand how your brain works.
Listen up, anon et al. I ain't gonna change. You don't like it? Tough. You want rid? Make this place so floral, wishy-washy and marshmallow-post infested I can't take it any more. But I will fight such invasions until it ain't worth it, and I suspect I'm not alone, so you have your work cut out. But feel free to try.
Yes, I'm like this in real life. My time is valuable, I don't waste it on people who are intolerably dumb or irritating in my opinion. You get a couple of chances, then you get ignored and if your idiocy makes you unignorable, then I'mm'a tell you about it. And then it's done. Out of sight out of mind. You really don't know anyone like that in real life? Or you just expect the interweb to be all Snow White and Disney?
FFS look at the user name I picked. Sometimes you can judge a book by the cover if it's graphic enough.
If you can't stand the heat, you really should get out of the kitchen. If you allow your feelings to be hurt by strangers on the interwebs, then this is not the place for you. I don't expect, need or want to be liked by everyone. So "ouch, my feelings". Seems like maybe you do. This is just not a realistic outlook on life.
But I voted against me to try and give you a little emotional boost there ;) Now rub some dirt in it and man up.
what does it mean? floraly wishy washy and fighting against the invasion?
....and if ignoring dumb, ignorant things are the stance then why fight said imaginary invasion? ..
It is contradictory and vague at best.
what does it mean? floraly wishy washy and fighting against the invasion?
My interpretation: It means fighting against something like political correctness. The invasion would be those who wish to make the world a safe and boring place by removing the soul from it. In the name of a "good cause" of course, but ironically killing the very thing they wish to protect. Some of us have to practice forethought in order to counter these well-intentioned but reactive ideas.
I didn't find it vague or contradictory. I found it bravely up front and in your face. Monster will always say it like she feels and sees it and isn't really worried about its affect. You may not like her for it, but she doesn't care.
who started this thread?
depending how far back you want to trace it, UT is responsible for creating the cellar, but Gore is responsible for creating the internets...
Floral (seems pretty clear), wishy-washy = watered down, watery, or dull grey like dishwater, marshmallow-post infested = again seems fairly clear to me. Full of soft, fluffy, say-nothing, sacharine sweet posts.
who started this thread?
NOT I.
I don't work this way. I am in disagreement with it. As I said, it is a poor way to gather support. I would much appreciate it if people would take issue with her trolling at the time it is happening.
I am quite capable to getting into M's face without hiding. I seem to be alone in this.
....and the original intent of this thread just proves how much of a coward people are in regard to her. ( outside of apathy and amusement)
I have decided I will no longer stick up for people she is trolling in a thread because of this thread.
If you are going to have someones back, have someones back up front and not in secret. It loses it's sincerity.
I am quite capable to getting into M's face without hiding. I seem to be alone in this.
What seriously? In all of the cellar, it's just you on your tod getting in Monster's face?
Floral (seems pretty clear), wishy-washy = watered down, watery, or dull grey like dishwater, marshmallow-post infested = again seems fairly clear to me. Full of soft, fluffy, say-nothing, sacharine sweet posts.
Such as which posts? and how is this wrong? and how is she going to fight against them? why would she when she herself is given the freedom to post as she wills?
The post itself was an example of how to fight that.
What seriously? In all of the cellar, it's just you on your tod getting in Monster's face?
When she is unkind to people, I don't see anyone, even the attack-ie saying a damn thing.
If you have proof of people standing up to her abuse, post them here.
The post itself was an example of how to fight that.
And what does the post say? She is going to continue to troll what she deems beneath her intelligence level and those posts that are too florally wishy washy.
How is censureship, when a post isn't harming anyone, good for this community?
When Monster is being 'unkind' it is usually because she is pointing out what she sees as an idiocy in someone else's post. Its not abuse for abuses sake.
So she is taking issue with a post she doesn't think is worthy and bashes the poster. It isn't about content at all.
That's how you see it, but I think you are taking it too personally.
My interpretation: It means fighting against something like political correctness. The invasion would be those who wish to make the world a safe and boring place by removing the soul from it. In the name of a "good cause" of course, but ironically killing the very thing they wish to protect. Some of us have to practice forethought in order to counter these well-intentioned but reactive ideas.
I like what you wrote although, forethought is not one of monsters posting style.
For example, cloud was not being politically correct by asking a question in your math thread. Instead of helping, monster insulted her, made references to movies, which she is inclined to do, in an attempt to belittle and humiliate her.
This doesn't fit your interpretation.
Yeah, but cloud got really weird about brackets...I'm just saying.
That's how you see it, but I think you are taking it too personally.
No, this is an attempt to understand intent.
I understand the intent is to suppress others she sees as weaker, while giving herself full rein.
but as I said, the next time she trolls someone and they don't have the guts to say, knock it off, oh well.
Yeah, but cloud got really weird about brackets...I'm just saying.
Maybe she wanted to understand the problem. Maybe monster could have used her advanced degree to give a proper example. Maybe someone would have learned something. So, THIS is what she is fighting against.
The desire to learn.
When I first saw this thread I assumed it was a joke. Monster and Shawnee are among my favorite characters on here.
I fail to see why anyone would get so bent out of shape at ANYTHING anyone said… online.
...Maybe she wanted to understand the problem. Maybe monster could have used her advanced degree to give a proper example. Maybe someone would have learned something...
Monster did do that with her, as did others. Cloud still remained obtuse for some reason, and I think Monster just lost her patience with her. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to "
suppress others she sees as weaker, while giving herself full rein". You are being really really silly here Sky.
For whatever the reason, it wasn't right. There are seven other people who feel the same way.
So let me get this straight, You think by me thinking she should have helped someone is silly yet losing patience with someone forgivable. humm
Losing her patience would be different than fighting against ignorance and wishy washy florally. Not a matter of principle at all. A pure emotional response which are often, by their very nature, lacking in forethought.
Which by the way, I like I.M. I cannot dislike her. I understand passion quite well.
@ Sky: no, I don't have examples of people standing up to 'abuse' from Monster, because I have no examples of 'abuse' to draw from. There are examples of her being a bit of a bitch with someone. There are also examples of you being a bit of a bitch with someone. And me too, no doubt.
I don't accept the basic premise I'm afraid.
Me either.
And those 7 other people can just put her on ignore...problem solved.
@ Sky: no, I don't have examples of people standing up to 'abuse' from Monster, because I have no examples of 'abuse' to draw from. There are examples of her being a bit of a bitch with someone. There are also examples of you being a bit of a bitch with someone. And me too, no doubt.
I don't accept the basic premise I'm afraid.
I agree.
I would like to thank the OP for thinking of me and standing up to what the OP perceived as injustice. It was a nice thought, although I think it backfired.
Do I need someone else to stick up for me? Frankly, no. I'm perfectly capable of sticking up for myself, if I want to. I usually choose not to, because I view that as pandering to bullies and bringing myself down to their level, and in the end, it's not really worth it to me.
Monster did do that with her, as did others. Cloud still remained obtuse for some reason, and I think Monster just lost her patience with her. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to "suppress others she sees as weaker, while giving herself full rein". You are being really really silly here Sky.
I can say, for me, that cloud is often obtuse for obtuse's sake. The brackets was another in a long history of posts that derail the the subject at hand so that everyone will stop and patiently explain to the poor weak innocent the folly of her tangential (is that a word?) post.
The thread about cutting some damn flower stems, for example: 453 people suggested ideas but she just kept intentionally playing helpless and ignorant, wrninging her hands and wanting some sort of higher solution.
It gets so I make a joke out of it to avoid banging my head against the wall. :lol:
Do I think cloud is helpless and ignorant? No I dont. But I reserve the right to laugh at the performance.
Was it this thread or its unintentional clone where Ali asked why I've changed? (The threads could be merged with nary a stitch.)
Nope, I'm still the same old me. You paint your criticisms with patience and concern and pretend your insults then bear meaningful weight. In other words, save it: your support has been woefully absent times when I really needed it.
I don't need to be saved from some sort of negative influence, as you hint at. These are my thoughts and my words.
Trying to remember when I was all sweetness and light. No, I've always been me.
depending how far back you want to trace it, UT is responsible for creating the cellar, [u]but Gore is responsible for creating the internets...]/u]
:lol: I love that line....
because I view that as pandering to bullies and bringing myself down to their level, and in the end, it's not really worth it to me.
but posting a poll and naming one or two specific people to be held up for scrutiny and judgement is NOT bullying? oh, ok.
before you say it again, I understand that YOU didn't start the poll. I am, however, convinced that since you 'know who did' ...that you're of a mind with that person (whose name may or may not start with the letter A)
I just want to point out that this is a bullying thread.
just sayin'
but posting a poll and naming one or two specific people to be held up for scrutiny and judgement is NOT bullying? oh, ok.
Really?
most bullies will deny to their death that they are, indeed, bullies.
I agree with you jimhelm. 100%.
Really?
really. I was totally bullying you, so you know.
really. I was totally bullying you, so you know.
Just sounded a bit duplicitous.... that's all.
well.... yeah.
I've done shit like this. I'm not casting judgement on the use of this type of thread, per se. I dislike the anonymous posting of it mostly because it's a chicken shit thing to do. I also dislike the hypocrisy of cloud harping on bullying when she is taking part in it presently.
I've been on both sides of this kind of thing, to be sure. I am not speaking form a position of innocence at all. Simply pointing out that a pack of Hyenas pulling down a Lion is killing just as much as a single Lion pouncing on a Gazelle is.
It's the anonymous posting that I take issue with.
It isn't just distasteful--it actually harms the chances of working things through. So I have to wonder, if the poster isn't really interested in working things through to a resolution (as would be possible only if the issues were brought forward properly, with this intent) then what IS the purpose of this thread? To cast negative characterizations against specific posters, without allowing them to respond to the accuser? To encourage other members to take punitive action against certain other members? This all sounds like intent to cause harm. This is malicious. The poster of this thread is the attacker, not the victim.
Where is Casey Haynes when you need him?
well.... yeah.
I've done shit like this. I'm not casting judgement on the use of this type of thread, per se. I dislike the anonymous posting of it mostly because it's a chicken shit thing to do.
That's all I am saying, the rest of this is on whom ever posted it. The only entertaining bit is to watch everyone jump on each others shit. Mostly it is all stupid. That is what the ignore button is for, to improve one's viewing pleasure.
The only entertaining bit is to watch everyone jump on each others shit. Mostly it is all stupid.
Ah. You've never jumped on anyone's shit, right?
Ch'yeah.
Ha. ha, yeah. Jump on his shit Bri, jump on his shit.
Ha. ha, yeah. Jump on his shit Bri, jump on his shit.
at least I don't do it anonymously :P
Oh hey. I wasn't bustin you. I really was just encouraging you to jump on his shit.
at least I don't do it anonymously :P
Oh, yea me either bitch. :lol:
Old man Clemens HATES shit!
Oh, yea me either bitch. :lol:
Good for you, you cocksucking piece of shit. :lol:
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Good for you, you cocksucking piece of shit. :lol:
How do you like it, the first post I have responded to of yours since you went on and off your meds again! Time to see the shrink!
I was reading through this thread again and noticed how there seems to be a suggestion of monsters intelligence being high and that's why she's mean to people she deems less intelligent.
Does anyone else think that maybe she's a UG clone? lol
Ha. ha, yeah. Jump on his shit Bri, jump on his shit.
at least I don't do it anonymously :P
Oh, yea me either bitch. :lol:
Good for you, you cocksucking piece of shit. :lol:
How do you like it, the first post I have responded to of yours since you went on and off your meds again! Time to see the shrink!
There's a lot of love in the room tonight...:eyebrow:
Eh, I knew it wasn't going to be worth it. My bad. nothing has changed.
And nothing ever happens,
Nothing happens at all.
The needle returns to the start of the song,
And we all sing along like before.
It was just a little wordplay ffs
You are right Dana. Bitch = Cocksucker, should I have said "cunt"?
In the context of a humorous escalation, cunt is as good a word as any.
Til you startd about bri's meds I thought you were just playing the escalation
In the context of a humorous escalation, cunt is as good a word as any.
Til you startd about bri's meds I thought you were just playing the escalation
I was playing until she wanted to think about cocksucking.
A really naughty part of me wants to respond to that by telling you eat a dick:-p
A really naughty part of me wants to respond to that by telling you eat a dick:-p
I would lol at a response like that from you. From the crazy one, not so much....
yes, the first time you respond to one of my posts and you call me a bitch. Riiiiiiight.
Oh, I guess I'm supposed to be Ok with that since you put a little laughing face at the end. Try again, dipshit. The fact remains - when I was low and feeling very down you encouraged me to kill myself. I think that is beyond reprehensible. It makes you a cocksucking piece of shit. I'm sorry if I shone a light on your sickening behavior and made you see your true self but someone has to. I think you are a dangerous person. You FEAR everything that isn't YOU. You disgust me.
and dana, don't think for one minute that anything this lowlife could say would upset me. I know I am a good and compassionate person. I am able to learn new things and incorporate new experiences into my life. Merc is truly a one trick pony - much like rkzenrage. He sees everything thru his prism of self.
yes, the first time you respond to one of my posts and you call me a bitch. Riiiiiiight.
Oh, I guess I'm supposed to be Ok with that since you put a little laughing face at the end. Try again, dipshit. The fact remains - when I was low and feeling very down you encouraged me to kill myself. I think that is beyond reprehensible. It makes you a cocksucking piece of shit. I'm sorry if I shone a light on your sickening behavior and made you see your true self but someone has to. I think you are a dangerous person. You FEAR everything that isn't YOU. You disgust me.
and dana, don't think for one minute that anything this lowlife could say would upset me. I know I am a good and compassionate person. I am able to learn new things and incorporate new experiences into my life. Merc is truly a one trick pony - much like rkzenrage. He sees everything thru his prism of self.
Is this where you cry?
pathetic.
Just pathetic.
What? You call someone a cocksucker and now you are all high and mighty? :lol:
How is calling someone a cocksucker worse than calling someone a bitch?
How is calling someone a cocksucker worse than calling someone a bitch?
How is calling someone a cunt worse than calling someone a bitch?
In Scrabble, I think. Generally, cunt would get a far worse score than bitch.
In Scrabble, I think. Generally, cunt would get a far worse score than bitch.
Hell it can't be that bad, only one letter off, and I thought a "u" had more points than any of the letters in bitch. I don't know it has been a while since I played the game.
What if I used, Supercalifragilisticexpialidociouscuntwhorebitch! Now that would score big time!!!
Depends on the house rules. But a quick glance tells me it's possible with a standard 100-tile set, as long as you don't mind going of the edge of the board and you're playing with somewhat more than 7 tiles each. And it would score more than the most carefully positioned cunt or bitch.
Also u have less point that i. :D
oh wait, too many Cs. Unless you're using blanks.
You are right... to many C's. Can't use that one. Fuck.
that's the best yet. Better still if there's a double or triple involved
Gimme a minute... got to think about it...
of course "masturbate" scores millions....
I played the word 'wenches' once for 113 points. That's my best word score ever.
of course "masturbate" scores millions....
Well that would certainly take more time to think about than fornicate. I think the result is nearly the same.
I played the word 'wenches' once for 113 points. That's my best word score ever.
:thumb:
i know that every now and then monnie can seem like a bitch but i tell you this: she is totally free to make her opinions and have them. i don't agree with all of them but that is what makes this country great. the first amendment. and it is present here. we all go off every now and then and by god if someone wants to comment on what you said then so be it. but be ready for the ramifications cuz you just might and prolly will get it here! :D
i know that every now and then monnie can seem like a bitch but i tell you this: she is totally free to make her opinions and have them. i don't agree with all of them but that is what makes this country great. the first amendment. and it is present here. we all go off every now and then and by god if someone wants to comment on what you said then so be it. but be ready for the ramifications cuz you just might and prolly will get it here! :D
not totally free, sadly. still not a citizen. Cause then I'll really be free. (even if citizenship isn't) thankfully, cellar surpasses US boundaries.
and knock off the monnie if you have any respect for me (not is fine...)
What makes this country great?
Plthijinx doesn't always agree with monster.
I often lay awake at night, unable to sleep, imagining a world where we all always agreed with monster.
That's why I sleep with a night light.
nightlights just make shadows longer......
I look under my bed before I go to sleep to make sure there is no monster there.
most bullies will deny to their death that they are, indeed, bullies.
Nor do they in most cases respond particularly well when those they perceive as weak hold their ground.
And nothing ever happens,
Nothing happens at all.
The needle returns to the start of the song,
And we all sing along like before.
Oh, I love that song.
It reminds me of:
Saw a poodle in a jacket fastened with a pin,
Saw a door opened and a cat let in:
But they weren't German Jews, my dear, but they weren't German Jews.
(
Say this City has Ten Million Souls: W H Auden)
This purely in response to Ali quoting the Del Amitri song, as opposed to a Cellar/ Nazi reference.