Crossing borders: A musing

monster • Apr 13, 2011 10:43 pm
Why is it that the people who want to restrict the influx of foreigners into the US are generally also the ones who support US soldiers being in foreign countries? Sure, the purposes and intended durations are different, but if borders are such an important part of national identity/security, why is it OK for to "violate" others' borders so? And if borders are not an important part of national identity/security, why are we so concerned about them?

Maybe I'm trolling or maybe I have a point? Whichever you think, please keep it nice, thanks :)
Clodfobble • Apr 14, 2011 12:31 am
I wouldn't point out this parallel to any of them, if I were you. It'll just inspire them to put roadside bombs and snipers along the Rio Grande.
anonymoo • Apr 14, 2011 12:34 am
5of5 here. it seems like you have an immigrant's point of view on borders. there is nothing wrong will legal immigration. what we detest are the illegal immigrants. we welcome you if you do it legally, if you don't you are a criminal. simple
Clodfobble • Apr 14, 2011 12:36 am
Ah, but there must be more to it than that, 5 of 5, unless you also would support any and all measures to make the process of legal immigration easy, inexpensive, and fast.
anonymoo • Apr 14, 2011 12:51 am
why should it be easy, inexpensive, or fast?
Griff • Apr 14, 2011 8:12 am
So the foreign troops can mass quickly. ;)
Spexxvet • Apr 14, 2011 9:07 am
OMFG! 5of5 is UG! Now I'll have to put anonymoo on ignore, too.
infinite monkey • Apr 14, 2011 9:12 am
Which one: anonymoo, anonygoo, anonypoo, anonyloo, or anonystew?
SamIam • Apr 14, 2011 1:30 pm
Well, US immigrants are not pouring into Afganistan, etc. US soldiers are, however, and the effect is even more detrimental.

What you are forgetting is that the US does not implement policy based on any sort of universal ethic or ideal or even logic. US policy is about whatever political party currently in power thinks is best for itself and its major contributors - to hell with everyone else.
Clodfobble • Apr 14, 2011 2:04 pm
anonymoo wrote:
why should it be easy, inexpensive, or fast?


Why should it be hard, expensive, and slow?
SamIam • Apr 14, 2011 3:20 pm
anonymoo;722898 wrote:
why should it be easy, inexpensive, or fast?


If it's LEGAL, it should be efficient. Why waste even more tax payer money dinking around?
monster • Apr 14, 2011 5:08 pm
SamIam;723057 wrote:
If it's LEGAL, it should be efficient. Why waste even more tax payer money dinking around?


It's not the taxpayer's money that's wasted..... oh wait, I do pay taxes. Even though I can't help choose who spends it......
jimhelm • Apr 14, 2011 6:29 pm
I gotta say.... this thread has yet to be amusing.
infinite monkey • Apr 14, 2011 6:55 pm
Your muse has arrived. :muse:

So an immigrant walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder...

I got nuttin'
Flint • Apr 14, 2011 8:22 pm
monster;722875 wrote:
... why is it OK for to "violate" others' borders so?
I'll give it a shot...

The dudes who bang hookers in the butthole would be the same ones to get an "EXIT ONLY" sign tattooed on their ass?
footfootfoot • Apr 14, 2011 9:04 pm
Clodfobble;723042 wrote:
Why should it be hard, expensive, and slow?


That's the divorce thread
ZenGum • Apr 15, 2011 4:24 am
infinite monkey;723114 wrote:
Your muse has arrived. :muse:

So an immigrant walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder...



Bartender says "Where'd ya get that?"

Parrot says "hired him down by the highway."


Mmmm. Worth it?
infinite monkey • Apr 15, 2011 8:34 am
Worth every penny! :)
TheMercenary • Apr 15, 2011 7:02 pm
monster;722875 wrote:
Why is it that the people who want to restrict the influx of foreigners into the US are generally also the ones who support US soldiers being in foreign countries? Sure, the purposes and intended durations are different, but if borders are such an important part of national identity/security, why is it OK for to "violate" others' borders so? And if borders are not an important part of national identity/security, why are we so concerned about them?

Maybe I'm trolling or maybe I have a point? Whichever you think, please keep it nice, thanks :)

I have no problem with anyone coming into this country without committing a crime in that process. If you enter the UK illegally you will be kicked out. Name any Westernized country in the world where you can walk in and stay in the numbers that the US has experienced? We remain generous in that fact, to a fault. Time to shut the door and address the issue.
footfootfoot • Apr 17, 2011 5:23 pm
Well, if you are a Turkish worker, then Germany. And you get Urlaubsgeld too. I might be wrong, I have to check with the wife's rels to be 100%. All I know is they never stop whining about the Turks.
Griff • Apr 17, 2011 6:30 pm
TheMercenary;723457 wrote:
I have no problem with anyone coming into this country without committing a crime in that process. If you enter the UK illegally you will be kicked out.

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Name any Westernized country in the world where you can walk in and stay in the numbers that the US has experienced? We remain generous in that fact, to a fault. Time to shut the door and address the issue.


off the top of my head

Germany- Turks (footies head)
France - North Africans
Great Britain - Indians / Carribean Islanders / Irish

"We" don't sound generous. We sound like we're wanting to bitch about something so we impose our attitude on a scapegoat.
TheMercenary • Apr 17, 2011 9:12 pm
Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

See: Unlawful entry a crime since '29 - Rocky Mountain News -- June 11, 2006


http://americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html