Interesting graphs and charts department

Pete Zicato • Jan 31, 2011 2:32 pm
Here's a chart with the percentage of adults with college degrees by county.

For fun, try clicking on the Asian button.
monster • Jan 31, 2011 2:49 pm
New Mexico does very well for blacks -100% in several counties. Just out of interest, how many black people are there in those counties?
Lamplighter • Jan 31, 2011 2:54 pm
Yes, percentages are the big smoke mirror the news media use to report all sorts of things.

Unemployment in Switzerland went up by 100 % last year... from 1 to 2.
glatt • Jan 31, 2011 3:33 pm
Check out Arlington County, VA. You can't swing a cat without hitting a college grad here. The only county I can find that has more grads is right next door in Falls Church. It's ridiculous.
Undertoad • Jan 31, 2011 3:41 pm
And 6 of the 10 richest counties in the US are surrounding DC.

Seems strange for a place that doesn't actually produce anything.
Spexxvet • Jan 31, 2011 3:47 pm
Undertoad;709039 wrote:
And 6 of the 10 richest counties in the US are surrounding DC.

Seems strange for a place that doesn't actually produce anything.


Since when do you have to produce something to get rich?
Gravdigr • Jan 31, 2011 5:59 pm
monster;709030 wrote:
New Mexico does very well for blacks -100% in several counties. Just out of interest, how many black people are there in those counties?


Racial/ethnic populations are listed in the info.
Gravdigr • Jan 31, 2011 6:00 pm
Very nice piece of info, useless to me, but, I love this stuff.
Griff • Jan 31, 2011 7:05 pm
glatt;709036 wrote:
Check out Arlington County, VA. You can't swing a cat without hitting a college grad here. The only county I can find that has more grads is right next door in Falls Church. It's ridiculous.


Your cat would suffer an aneurysm before contacting a college grad here. 15.19%
monster • Jan 31, 2011 9:33 pm
Gravdigr;709064 wrote:
Racial/ethnic populations are listed in the info.


It was a rhetorical question....
Cloud • Jan 31, 2011 10:06 pm
interesting. lots of educated people in Colorado. Lots of UNeducated people in most of the South.

wonder what the percentage of Cellarites with degrees is?
monster • Jan 31, 2011 10:17 pm
College towns and Ski Havens. only people with degrees can afford to live there.

% in my county is over 50%. My county includes "little Detroit" where graduating high school is a big achievement. But it also includes the university of Michigan and Eastern Michigan Uni. And several small private law schools etc.
bluecuracao • Jan 31, 2011 10:42 pm
monster;709030 wrote:
New Mexico does very well for blacks -100% in several counties. Just out of interest, how many black people are there in those counties?


It is pretty interesting...Catron County for example, which is desolate to begin with at about 3500 pop., has 12 black residents all of whom have bachelor's degrees.
zippyt • Feb 1, 2011 12:13 am
Heres a Link to a Cool Graph , comparing States GDP to other country's

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/01/comparing_us_states_countries

Kazakhstan baby !!!!
Gravdigr • Feb 1, 2011 3:34 am
monster;709078 wrote:
It was a rhetorical question....


We need a rhetorical font.
Pete Zicato • Feb 1, 2011 9:37 am
Gravdigr;709111 wrote:
We need a rhetorical font.

Don't we already have a rhetorical monkey on the banner?


Or maybe it's rhesus I'm thinking of.
Pete Zicato • Feb 1, 2011 9:45 am
zippyt;709097 wrote:
Heres a Link to a Cool Graph , comparing States GDP to other country's

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/01/comparing_us_states_countries

Kazakhstan baby !!!!

With an economy the size of Turkey's, don't you think Illinois ought to be able to pay it's bills?
Gravdigr • Feb 2, 2011 4:24 am
Pete Zicato;709144 wrote:
With an economy the size of Turkey's, don't you think Illinois ought to be able to pay it's bills?


So, that's a huge economy in your pocket? I thought you were just glad to see us.:D
Pete Zicato • Feb 17, 2011 3:47 pm
The National Broadband Map - takes a long time to load. But interesting in how much of the country is still without.

http://www.broadbandmap.gov/technology
glatt • Feb 17, 2011 3:57 pm
Pete Zicato;711952 wrote:
The National Broadband Map - takes a long time to load.


I know where you are on the map. You need broadband.
Happy Monkey • Feb 17, 2011 4:26 pm
Graphs and Charts
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Flint • Feb 17, 2011 5:53 pm
xkcd's graphs and flowcharts are the best.
Pete Zicato • Feb 18, 2011 1:54 pm
Where are the singles?
glatt • Feb 18, 2011 2:01 pm
It's a big sausage fest over there on the West coast. I had long heard that DC has a lot of women. It's cool to see it in a chart. And personal experience says it's true. I met my wife here.
Griff • Feb 19, 2011 6:57 pm
Charles Blow put this on his most recent article.
Pete Zicato • Mar 3, 2011 2:32 pm
Sexual Behavior, Sexual Attraction, and Sexual Identity in the United States

Lots of charts, graphs, and tables.
antohabio • Apr 2, 2011 2:02 pm
Undertoad;709039 wrote:
And 6 of the 10 richest counties in the US are surrounding DC.

Seems strange for a place that doesn't actually produce anything.


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Gravdigr • May 10, 2011 12:39 pm
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DanaC • May 10, 2011 12:40 pm
Is that all you think about?
footfootfoot • May 10, 2011 1:05 pm
DanaC;732648 wrote:
Is that all you think about?


Welcome to the cellar DanaC, you're new here, aren't you? Jim, get this person a quiz!
Gravdigr • May 10, 2011 1:26 pm
DanaC;732648 wrote:
Is that all you think about?


Well, that and sex.

Wait...

[SIZE="1"]Yes, that's all I think about.[/SIZE]
DanaC • May 10, 2011 1:26 pm
*laughs*
DanaC • May 10, 2011 1:27 pm
Dawg.
Gravdigr • May 10, 2011 1:56 pm
:wolf:
glatt • May 10, 2011 2:49 pm
Oh, check this out!
footfootfoot • May 10, 2011 3:30 pm
Well, now we certainly know whom God hates...
lookout123 • May 10, 2011 7:08 pm
Black people? Oh wait, that was George Bush.
jimhelm • May 10, 2011 8:09 pm
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dana's quiz:

1. Motorcycle throttle or vacuum cleaner technique as a finisher?

2. start at the bottom or top?

3. Is biting OK?

4. Is massaging the grapes vital?

5. When is it NOT a good time for a BJ?

6. What food goes best with a BJ?

7. Definition of a Blowgie?

8. "Squeeze me, baby, until the juice runs down my leg" is from what song?

9. Is a BJ considered sex?

10. what is the opposite of 'above me' ?
ZenGum • May 10, 2011 9:26 pm
:lol:
On the tornadoes graph:
(a) would have made a fine IotD, ya know.
(b) it is interesting that the areas with the most tornadoes is not the same as the area with the most *fatal* tornadoes. I wonder why? Are the tonadoes in the kill zone more intense? are the people there less well prepared? Are there simply more people there to get killed? Are they more stupid, and are still trying to follow Dorothy to Oz? Or does God, in fact, hate rednecks?
HungLikeJesus • May 10, 2011 10:40 pm
In the second figure, why are the highest and lowest on the scale the same color?
BigV • May 10, 2011 11:35 pm
one of them represents white people and one of them represents those that went "into the light"?
Trilby • May 11, 2011 8:15 am
jimhelm;732819 wrote:
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dana's quiz:

1. Motorcycle throttle or vacuum cleaner technique as a finisher?

2. start at the bottom or top?

3. Is biting OK?

4. Is massaging the grapes vital?

5. When is it NOT a good time for a BJ?

6. What food goes best with a BJ?

7. Definition of a Blowgie?

8. "Squeeze me, baby, until the juice runs down my leg" is from what song?

9. Is a BJ considered sex?

10. what is the opposite of 'above me' ?


I know some of these!
monster • May 11, 2011 8:27 am
Brianna;732911 wrote:
I know some of these!


You know the pacman one, right?
Trilby • May 11, 2011 9:14 am
monster;732916 wrote:
You know the pacman one, right?


what did you think I meant?
Pete Zicato • May 11, 2011 11:45 am
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Clodfobble • May 11, 2011 1:10 pm
Interesting. I didn't realize the price difference between us and Europe was basically all tax.
Gravdigr • Jul 29, 2011 3:52 pm
Here is an interesting map. It charts narco-related murders in Mexico on a Google Map. Broken down by civilians, police, and high-ranking officials. Also, mass graves.
Griff • Aug 21, 2011 4:05 pm
you go beyond the green.
HungLikeJesus • Aug 21, 2011 10:55 pm
Shouldn't Utah show up as purple?
Griff • Aug 22, 2011 7:39 am
It might on a state by state map.
Griff • Aug 22, 2011 7:47 am
I wanted to put up a National Geographic birth-rate world map from this month but I don't think its available. It is pretty interesting and sometimes surprising.
Griff • Aug 26, 2011 12:11 pm
Boston Globe's debt chart.
TheMercenary • Aug 26, 2011 2:03 pm
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Obviously from a right-wing blog but the narrative was interesting.

http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/28/the-truth-about-obamas-budget-deficits-in-pictures/
Gravdigr • Aug 26, 2011 3:00 pm
Which burger joint rules the roost in your neck of the woods?
TheMercenary • Aug 26, 2011 3:23 pm
Looks like Sonic just spilled their coke on Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Arkansas.
ZenGum • Aug 26, 2011 7:59 pm
Griff;752813 wrote:
Boston Globe's debt chart.


The right hand column there is particularly interesting. Most of the debt is owed within the US, so if you try to "quantitatively ease" your way out of it (i.e. print money and devalue currency) you're mostly screwing yourselves.

I'm not so sure about the left column. I have doubts about pinning the debt to each president. Firstly, as various voices shout loudly from time to time, the prez is not totally in control of spending. As well as congress, there are the commitments from previous eras. For example, Obama couldn't just drop the Iraq thing on Jan 20th, 2009, he had to keep it going. I'd rather see what all the money has been spent on (social security, health care, defense etc) over the decades.

And putting tax cuts in as an expense raises all sorts of philosophical problems. I mean, suppose there had never been those tax cuts, but there was still a smaller debt. Could we say that the debt was because no-one has thought to increase taxes by a trillion dollars? :confused:
Clodfobble • Aug 27, 2011 2:42 pm
Heh. Just the other weekend, I was lost in the boonies trying to take a shortcut from one highway to another, and I said to Mr. Clod that I'd just passed a Dairy Queen, so at least I knew I was still in Texas.
classicman • Aug 29, 2011 12:03 am
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Griff • Aug 29, 2011 6:48 am
ZenGum;752908 wrote:
The right hand column there is particularly interesting. Most of the debt is owed within the US, so if you try to "quantitatively ease" your way out of it (i.e. print money and devalue currency) you're mostly screwing yourselves.



The Chinese portion while an enormous amount of money doesn't seem as scarey as advertised when looked at in the totality of the debt.
Gravdigr • Sep 8, 2011 2:19 pm
The popularity of Zombie movies, vs. the popularity of Vampire movies, in relation to which party is in the White House.

[SIZE="1"]From "6 Mind-Blowing Ways Zombies and Vampires Explain America" at cracked.com[/SIZE]
classicman • Sep 8, 2011 2:36 pm
What? No vampires in the early 50's?
Pico and ME • Sep 8, 2011 2:41 pm
That decade was reserved for giant mutant ants and killer aliens.
Pete Zicato • Sep 9, 2011 9:43 am
What if? (from Roger Ebert's Journal)

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Griff • Sep 9, 2011 9:54 am
Nice one Pete.
Undertoad • Sep 9, 2011 10:59 am
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German power production percentages.
Spexxvet • Sep 9, 2011 11:13 am
Where did that come from, UT?
Undertoad • Sep 9, 2011 11:32 am
http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/p/pow-gen-ger.htm
HungLikeJesus • Sep 9, 2011 12:40 pm
That data is from 2008. In 2010, PV generated about 2% of the total power mix in Germany, and it's still increasing in 2011, though they've reduced the FIT.

Edit: (from: http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=5436)

2010* Nuclear 23% Lignite 23% Hard Coal 18% Natural Gas 14% Renewables 17% Heating Oil, Pumped Hydro, Others 5%

* rounded estimate
On the renewable side, wind power provided 6.2%, biomass 4.7%, hydro power 3.2%, photovoltaics 2% and waste power plants 0.8%.

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Here's US generation by source for 2009.

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classicman • Sep 9, 2011 3:20 pm
Creating solar energy is not the problem. Getting it to where it is needed/consumed is.
Part of the solution could be Gov't spending on the transmission of the energy created, no?
Gravdigr • Sep 9, 2011 4:51 pm
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classicman • Sep 9, 2011 5:22 pm
neat chart, but You could fit about 85.5 Cubas in the US.
HungLikeJesus • Sep 9, 2011 5:24 pm
classicman;755486 wrote:
Creating solar energy is not the problem. Getting it to where it is needed/consumed is.
Part of the solution could be Gov't spending on the transmission of the energy created, no?


One of the big benefits of solar is that it's a distributed resource. Solar can be installed on just about every house, apartment building, office building, warehouse, freeway median, parking canopy, etc., which eliminates transmission and distribution issues and costs. It can also provide shading, reducing the need for air conditioning. Plus, it tends to be most productive during the hottest part of the day, further reducing air conditioning loads and reducing strain on the aging grid.
Lamplighter • Sep 9, 2011 7:02 pm
...and there's no fracking with solar
Lamplighter • Sep 11, 2011 3:33 pm
I did not know EPA and IRS administer a program to tax gas guzzlers.

In 2010 there were only 2 Ford- and 4 GM-models on the list.
The others seem to be the more expensive (heavy) foreign cars.

At first it made me feel a bit happier to realize the wealthy were paying
for something I don't/won't/can't buy for my family. Then I got to thinking...

Why are these gas-guzzlers getting away with a one-time tax ?
At the worst 12.5 mpg, the $7,700 tax is equivalent to
about 2000 gal of wasted gas to drive 25,000 miles (~ 2 years).

Wouldn't it be more rational if this same tax was applied annually...
half to pay for the wasted gas, and half as a penalty polluting the air around me.
HungLikeJesus • Sep 11, 2011 6:54 pm
Well, there are state and federal taxes on gasoline, so they are paying a penalty for the extra gas they use.
ZenGum • Sep 11, 2011 7:58 pm
I'm a bit late but ...

That graph of German energy has some shenanigans in it.

It shows separate categories for "hard coal" and "lignite".

Lignite is coal. It is also called brown coal or soft coal, as opposed to anthracite/ black coal/ hard coal. It is by far dirtier in terms of CO2 and other pollutants.

IMHO, these two should have been given parallel names (either lignite and anthracite, OR brown coal and black coal) and they should have been adjacent on the pie chart. As it is it hides how much energy Germany really got from coal.

HOWEVER! Post Fukushima, Germany has decided to phase out all nuclear energy, and replace it with solar. They should be there in 10 years. They have also made big reductions in energy use.
footfootfoot • Sep 11, 2011 8:57 pm
Obviously Germany's not in it for the hunting. They've gotten soft when it comes to profits over people.
Lamplighter • Sep 12, 2011 10:18 am
The EPA Clean Air Act was established in 1974

Non-attainment = failed to mean standard
W = whole county
P = partial county

What happened in 2004 in OH, PA, WV, and many other states ?
HungLikeJesus • Sep 12, 2011 2:21 pm
We've been focused on energy lately, so I thought that this was appropriate. This site shows energy expenditure per capita for 2009 (though without much explanation).

http://energy.gov/maps/2009-energy-expenditure-person

Click on the states to get more details. I would have thought that California would be high, and Texas and Wyoming would be low, but that's not the case. It would be helpful to see a breakdown by end-use.
glatt • Sep 12, 2011 2:57 pm
Well, the biggies for energy use are climate control and transportation, so a rural state, where you have to drive just to get to your mail box, would require more energy use than a city. And a temperate climate like California where you don't need much heating or cooling would be better too. Also, the cost of energy is going to depend on where the energy comes from, and the industry regulations you have in place.
Clodfobble • Sep 12, 2011 9:18 pm
Yeah, when you pack a lot of people into a small space, your rating on that chart gets better. Even in the areas where Texas has a high population, we're still really spread out. We have no viable/widespread public transportation in any of our cities.

Plus, heating is done by gas in most of the country, but cooling is still generally electric, which is less efficient. And we do way more cooling here than we do heating.
footfootfoot • Sep 13, 2011 12:05 pm
Do you use swamp coolers or is it too humid in Texas?
Sundae • Sep 13, 2011 2:07 pm
glatt;755846 wrote:
... a temperate climate like California where you don't need much heating or cooling

YMMV!
Clodfobble • Sep 13, 2011 5:41 pm
footfootfoot wrote:
Do you use swamp coolers or is it too humid in Texas?


I have no idea what one of those is, so I'm going to guess it's too humid. It's just giant outdoor fan units, usually 2 of them for any house over about 1700 square feet.
footfootfoot • Sep 13, 2011 6:07 pm
Clodfobble;756099 wrote:
I have no idea what one of those is, so I'm going to guess it's too humid. It's just giant outdoor fan units, usually 2 of them for any house over about 1700 square feet.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporative_cooler
classicman • Sep 13, 2011 11:19 pm
This makes the issue pretty obvious...
classicman • Sep 13, 2011 11:20 pm
There are some "interesting" stats from this link.
glatt • Sep 14, 2011 12:10 pm
Chesapeake Bay has been having trouble for a long time (decades) with nitrogen rich runoff from farms and suburbs. It causes algea to grow, which kills the fish and shellfish in the Bay. The recent flooding is going to have a huge impact on the Bay. The amount of shit (literally) that has contaminated the Bay this week is remarkable.

Here's a picture from before the flooding. Taken August 23, 2011. Followed by a picture taken yesterday. (Thanks, NASA!)
infinite monkey • Sep 14, 2011 12:14 pm
Ugh, glatt. That sucks. :(

Here is a VERY interesting graph. Discuss amongst yourselves.
infinite monkey • Sep 14, 2011 12:19 pm
Since we've been discussing toast I thought this was interesting:
TheMercenary • Sep 14, 2011 2:35 pm
Gravdigr;755087 wrote:
The popularity of Zombie movies, vs. the popularity of Vampire movies, in relation to which party is in the White House.

[SIZE="1"]From "6 Mind-Blowing Ways Zombies and Vampires Explain America" at cracked.com[/SIZE]


That rocks....
Gravdigr • Sep 14, 2011 5:49 pm
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classicman • Sep 15, 2011 8:19 pm
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classicman • Oct 2, 2011 11:15 pm
For Plt ...
plthijinx • Oct 3, 2011 7:55 pm
magic smoke! so that's where that comes from!!
glatt • Oct 3, 2011 8:14 pm
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classicman • Oct 12, 2011 11:21 am
Here are a compilation of charts related to the Occupy movement, but they are more than that.
The link is from Business Insider.

They cover unemployment, CEO pay, underemployment, wages, earnings, income inequality... too many to save and post.
Lamplighter • Oct 12, 2011 11:51 am
Classic, that link is an extremely well done presentation.
Almost mesmerizing to scroll from one chart to the next.
Hard to believe it wasn't part of something besides/before the OWS.

Now a question, will Merc resist joining the campers in the park ?
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glatt • Oct 12, 2011 11:57 am
Wow.
infinite monkey • Oct 12, 2011 12:05 pm
I'd like to live in a tent city...somewhere pretty. Tents as far as the eye can see. People helping people. Utopia. Kumbaya and all that. Oh hell, then I remember what happened in Guyana.

I'd like to live on the moon...
classicman • Oct 12, 2011 12:09 pm
I'm still reviewing it. I had to go make more coffee. My brain is still trying to absorb it all. The way they all relate is amazing. I am trying to mentally look at several of them overlapped with the same timeframe.
Gravdigr • Oct 18, 2011 4:59 pm
Harrumph.
Griff • Oct 18, 2011 9:31 pm
Double Harrumph.
BigV • Oct 20, 2011 2:39 pm
And that my fine friends is the magic of a linear scale. Hell yeah and fucking fuck cancer sideways.
TheMercenary • Oct 20, 2011 7:37 pm
Lamplighter;762977 wrote:

Now a question, will Merc resist joining the campers in the park ?
.
I plan on being there.... Driving this, hope you can make it.:):
TheMercenary • Oct 20, 2011 7:53 pm
Let's start with the obvious: Unemployment. Three years after the financial crisis, the unemployment rate is still at the highest level since the Great Depression (except for a brief blip in the early 1980s)


Jobs are scarce, so many adults have given up looking for them. Thus, a sharp decline in the "participation ratio."



And it's not like unemployment these days is a quick, painful jolt: A record percentage of unemployed people have been unemployed for longer than 6 months.


And it's not just construction workers who can't find jobs. The median duration of all unemployment is also near an all-time high.


That 9% rate, by the way, equates to 14 million Americans—people who want to work but can't find a job.


And that's just people who meet the strict criteria for "unemployed." Include people working part-time who want to work full-time, plus some people who haven't looked for a job in a while, and unemployment's at 17%


Put differently, this is the lowest percentage of Americans with jobs since the early 1980s (And the boom prior to that, by the way, was from women entering the workforce).


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Brooks: Obama Told Me "Shovel-Ready" Jobs Don't Exist Last Year
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classicman • Oct 20, 2011 9:05 pm
no charts & no graphs ...
Post #106=FAIL
BigV • Oct 20, 2011 9:06 pm
you forgot: no interest.
TheMercenary • Oct 20, 2011 9:24 pm
:lol: Yea, Like #107 and #108!
zippyt • Oct 20, 2011 10:52 pm
I found this intresting
TheMercenary • Oct 20, 2011 11:02 pm
Define Megaregion.


oops, sorry! I didn't post a graph in my question. My bad! Holy shit, what am I to do now? Anywhooo.
TheMercenary • Oct 20, 2011 11:03 pm
BigV;765763 wrote:
you forgot: no interest.


No wonder there are so many unemployed....
ZenGum • Oct 20, 2011 11:09 pm
Here ya go:

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TheMercenary • Oct 20, 2011 11:27 pm
Thank you! That completely clears it all up!
classicman • Oct 21, 2011 2:42 pm
Hmmm...
ZenGum • Oct 21, 2011 10:03 pm
Took me a moment to figure out why once a year they make nothing at all. Some kind of cyclical down turn? Weird accounting for tax reasons? Ohhhh, right .... :smack:

I'm off to the idiot sightings thread now. I have something to report. :(
HungLikeJesus • Oct 22, 2011 10:28 am
You mean in the fifth quarter? That is curious.
Griff • Oct 22, 2011 10:39 am
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Lamplighter • Oct 22, 2011 11:05 am
Classic really should check with Merc before posting a graph like that.

A steady rise following the creation of Obamanation ?
ZenGum • Oct 22, 2011 8:38 pm
Griff;766095 wrote:
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:lol: touche'
Griff • Oct 23, 2011 9:32 am
:)
classicman • Oct 23, 2011 5:50 pm
Lamplighter;766099 wrote:
Classic really should check with Merc ...


Please STOP posting shit like that. Its really old, tired and inaccurate.

I stand on my own with my own opinions, beliefs and thoughts.
Thanks, in advance.
monster • Oct 23, 2011 6:50 pm
and funny as all fuck when it gets a reaction :lol:
Lamplighter • Oct 23, 2011 7:25 pm
OK, point taken
classicman • Oct 23, 2011 7:37 pm
mine or the "bitch's"? :neutral:

If mine, thanks.
classicman • Oct 25, 2011 9:17 pm
Occupy Philadelphia wrote:

The government is lying about how we calculate unemployment. How can you tell people to get a job when unemployment, before the rules were changed, is around 25%


The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994.
Link
Spexxvet • Oct 26, 2011 10:09 am
classicman;766730 wrote:
The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994.
Link


It's lovely how the line moves lower during Clinton's higher-tax period, then rises during Bush's tax cuts. "Lower taxes to reduce unemployment" is bullshit.
classicman • Oct 26, 2011 11:54 am
It appears as though it was decreasing from 2003 to 2008 as well, but you missed the point of the graph.
They were showing the difference in calculations of the actual number of unemployed. According to this data, its over 20%, not 9%
Lamplighter • Oct 26, 2011 12:40 pm
We need BigV to plot the first derivative of those data.

I predict two spikes, GWB takes office and GWB leaves office
classicman • Oct 26, 2011 12:45 pm
Lamp, try viewing this link ... I found it pretty interesting.
I tried to save it to post, but couldn't.
Lamplighter • Oct 26, 2011 1:02 pm
I think your link shows a 5% average over a much longer time period,
which was one goal/assumption of the Fed,
and is reflected in the graph above, until 2001 ;)

The higher rates in earlier years also coincide with higher oil prices (crisis) of the 70's

It's always fun and games with stats...
Spexxvet • Oct 26, 2011 2:26 pm
classicman;766835 wrote:
It appears as though it was decreasing from 2003 to 2008 as well, but you missed the point of the graph.
They were showing the difference in calculations of the actual number of unemployed. According to this data, its over 20%, not 9%


I didn't miss it. I transcended it. I looked beyond and gleaned additional wisdom. I stepped past the mundane, dare I say the pedestrian, information that was blatant and inferred more knowledge than you presented with your superficial graph. I AM THE 99%!
classicman • Oct 26, 2011 2:56 pm
^^ Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ^^

Very good spexxie. That was really funny.
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Did you look at the link? It was interesting to see the trends over the longer time-frame, well right up until ...
Spexxvet • Oct 26, 2011 2:59 pm
classicman;766875 wrote:
^^ Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ^^

Very good spexxie. That was really funny.


I'll be here all week. Try the mutton.
Spexxvet • Oct 26, 2011 3:07 pm
classicman;766875 wrote:
Did you look at the link? It was interesting to see the trends over the longer time-frame, well right up until ...


It's interesting that LBJ is the only president who didn't have a major spike (Carter had a small upturn at the end). Many people would think that LBJ would have had a huge increase in unemployment - he implemented The Great Society. People would recieve compensation even when they weren't working. Haven't conservatives asserted that this would cause lazy minorities to quit their jobs and go on the dole? It doesn't seem to have happened that way.
classicman • Nov 4, 2011 9:03 pm
From 37 banks to 4 in 13 years. Hmmm

One might think they need to be broken up.
ZenGum • Nov 4, 2011 9:08 pm
" ... and the control of wealth will fall into fewer and fewer hands ... eventually into a form in which it can be seized by the proletariat...."

Marx was at least half right. I'm quite interested to see what will happen over the next few decades.
Lamplighter • Nov 4, 2011 9:41 pm
Sadly, I believe this is exactly what will be happening in every industry.
Corporations will buy/merge/consume each other until they dominate the "market share"

I think I allude to this somewhere in my signature below.
classicman • Nov 4, 2011 9:53 pm
Isn't this what happens, almost by design, in an unchecked capitalistic/cannibalistic society?
Lamplighter • Nov 4, 2011 10:37 pm
Well, philosophically I believe things are different with corporations than partnerships and companies.
With the corps, the CEO, Bd of Dir, etc are just "employee" bodies passing through.

With other forms of business the owners are integral to the life of the company.
Family businesses or partnerships get dispersed or sold off, and the business dissolves,
OR... is bought up by a corporation !
Griff • Nov 5, 2011 9:22 am
classicman;770286 wrote:
Isn't this what happens, almost by design, in an unchecked capitalistic/cannibalistic society?


When they own the government and are able to stifle competition that will happen. I think somebody needs to run on the old TR "trust buster" platform but now that media is suffering from the same malady, I have little hope for it. We may well end up with a completely stagnant society.
Undertoad • Nov 5, 2011 11:41 am
Where's PNC? Where's TD Bank?
Lamplighter • Nov 5, 2011 12:21 pm
PNC (Pittsburgh National ?) may be considered too small
TD Bank is Canadian (It is 2nd largest in Canada)
ZenGum • Nov 5, 2011 7:57 pm
Is this a natural trend?

I think yes. Wealth accumulates. If nothing is done about it, this will keep going, until it cannot go any further.

Do we have to sit back and let it happen?

No.
The modern economy is something we have created, a lot by individual and corporate activities, and also a lot by governments creating sets of rules that make a stable society and complex finance possible. We can adjust the rules. We should just remember that we are tinkering with a complex, chaotic system and unintended consequences are pretty much certain, as is the further exploitation of whatever changes we make.
Lamplighter • Nov 5, 2011 8:46 pm
Here is an early symptom of retail-market saturation.
There's only so much $ to spend on X-mas.
So retailers' tactics are to get it first, before it's spent elsewhere.

USA Today
Nov 5, 2011

Why wait until Black Friday? Retailers tout big deals early
Black Friday is more popular than ever with holiday shoppers,
but that isn't stopping retailers from trying to lure bargain hunters
into the stores ahead of Thanksgiving.

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Spexxvet • Nov 7, 2011 4:21 pm
another reason to legalize pot
TheMercenary • Nov 12, 2011 8:33 am
ZenGum;770266 wrote:
" ... and the control of wealth will fall into fewer and fewer hands ... eventually into a form in which it can be seized by the proletariat...."

Marx was at least half right. I'm quite interested to see what will happen over the next few decades.

:thumb: The gooberment will eventually control all of them.
Lamplighter • Nov 12, 2011 10:04 am
It's the corporations that will own everything.

Yesterday, there was an hour-long TY program about the Pepsico Corp.
The CEO, Indra Nooyi, make a remark something like:

If you put it in your stomach, I want Pepsico to sell it to you.
TheMercenary • Nov 15, 2011 8:59 pm
Corps may own it. The current Gobberment aims to control it. Oh, and make themselves rich along the way. There's your 1%.
ZenGum • Nov 16, 2011 2:06 am
Spexxvet;770962 wrote:
another reason to legalize pot


That graph is interesting but it needs a third axis.

It is right to consider the risk of dependency and the risk of overdose, but there is also the risk of being mentally screwed up by it without either dependency or overdose.

According to this graph, LSD is the safest drug there is, much safer than caffeine. :headshake
Undertoad • Nov 16, 2011 10:52 am
Yeah, or just a chance-to-fuck-up-your-life axis; with NO2 and caffeine at the bottom, weed and MDMA in the low middle, nicotine in the middle, coke and alcohol in the high middle, and meth and the opiates at the top.

(i guess?)
infinite monkey • Nov 16, 2011 10:59 am
Ephedra, is that the weight loss stuff?

I'm so gettin' on that.

Oglability trumps health, any day.
Undertoad • Nov 16, 2011 11:08 am
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Spexxvet • Nov 16, 2011 11:14 am
infinite monkey;773305 wrote:
Ephedra, is that the weight loss stuff?

I'm so gettin' on that.

Oglability trumps health, any day.


I think it's the over the counter cold remedy. Maybe Pseudophed? Used to make Meth.
infinite monkey • Nov 16, 2011 11:18 am
Oh. Don't want meth. I'd be skinny but look like death heated up. Pocky. No thanks.
Spexxvet • Nov 16, 2011 11:19 am
Don't forget the meth teeth. :greenface
BigV • Nov 16, 2011 2:04 pm
Spexxvet;773312 wrote:
Don't forget the meth teeth. :greenface


She's got lots of mystique already. Why are you lithping?
Lamplighter • Nov 22, 2011 1:30 am
Seven degrees to Kevin Bacon is a being lazy.
Facebook says it's less than 5 hops for the whole world.

Facebook
The idea of ‘six degrees of separation’ -- that any two people are
on average separated by no more than six intermediate connections
-- was first proposed in 1929 in a short story by Hungarian author Frigyes Karinthy,
and made popular by the John Guare play and movie, Six Degrees of Separation.

"Using state-of-the-art algorithms developed at the
Laboratory for Web Algorithmics of the Università degli Studi di Milano,
we were able to approximate the number of hops between all pairs of individuals on Facebook.
We found that six degrees actually overstates the number of links between typical pairs of users:
While 99.6% of all pairs of users are connected by paths with 5 degrees (6 hops),
92% are connected by only four degrees (5 hops).


[COLOR="Black"]Of course, the 5,316 members of THE CELLAR, made it much shorter. [/COLOR]:grouphug:
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glatt • Nov 22, 2011 8:35 am
If facebook used their own data, then it makes you wonder what would happen if you got rid of all those people with thousands of "friends" on facebook. Those FB sluts are doing all the connecting. The rest of us with 100 or so friends are probably 20 degrees of separation from the rest of the world instead of only 5 degrees away.

So the world is getting closer primarily due to farmville and mafia wars?
Clodfobble • Nov 22, 2011 8:42 am
And let's not forget that the original assertion was anyone in the world, not just anyone with a computer fast enough to run social media. You're supposed to be connected to that guy in the jungle village too. Well, slang's got a lot of the Philippines covered for us, anyway.
Lamplighter • Nov 22, 2011 8:45 am
Don't forget Arab Spring... four more hops to Saif al-Islam Gaddafi.
ZenGum • Nov 25, 2011 7:49 pm
I find it very interesting how those graphs are virtually flat to three hops and then have a huge spike at four hops. I would have expected a more parabolic curve.

I guess it decreases after that because most pairs have already been matched.
classicman • Dec 2, 2011 10:39 pm
... dunno how accurate this is, but damn!
ZenGum • Dec 2, 2011 11:00 pm
I dispute that Vet Affairs is either discretionary or really military. It is the post-service OBLIGATIONS required by the contract with military personnel.

And given the experiences of Cellar veterans, no-one could say it is over funded.

Now, about the other military expenses....

Say, did you guys know that you're about to station 2,500 marines in Darwin, Australia. Damned if I know why.
classicman • Dec 2, 2011 11:06 pm
ZenGum;777335 wrote:
Say, did you guys know that you're about to station 2,500 marines in Darwin, Australia. Damned if I know why.


Yep and China is pissed about it too.
ZenGum • Dec 2, 2011 11:59 pm
Well they had a little spit, but nothing more than would be expected.

I suspect it will be used to get your fellas trained in tropical conditions. Its also a general expression of being allies.

I'm sure the entertainment industry will be happy. We might need to bring back the Top End Stubbie - a single serve bottle of beer that holds 2.2 litres.
Lamplighter • Dec 3, 2011 12:40 am
OMG 2.2 L is 0.6 US gal. :drunk:
zippyt • Dec 3, 2011 1:01 am
Say, did you guys know that you're about to station 2,500 marines in Darwin, Australia. Damned if I know why.
Yep and China is pissed about it too.


Thats Why
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2011 2:02 am
The 'War on Terror' is ongoing in Seychelles and the Philippines, that I know of, and probably a dozen I don't.
Griff • Dec 3, 2011 9:09 am
Lamplighter;777348 wrote:
OMG 2.2 L is 0.6 US gal. :drunk:


http://www.tallglass.com/projects/beersize/

This is a good chart for comparing your beer sizes, but the 2.2 L doesn't get a mention. Maybe Zen should contact them.
Spexxvet • Dec 3, 2011 9:24 am
ZenGum;777335 wrote:
Say, did you guys know that you're about to station 2,500 marines in Darwin, Australia. Damned if I know why.

To be poised and ready when France surrenders Viet Nam. ;)

ZenGum;777345 wrote:
Its also a general expression of being allies.

So why doesn't Australia have a base in the US?

xoxoxoBruce;777352 wrote:
The 'War on Terror' is ongoing in Seychelles and the Philippines, that I know of, and probably a dozen I don't.

And Indonesia is the largest Muslim nation in the world.
ZenGum • Dec 3, 2011 6:10 pm
Alas, the "top end stubby" was phased out a few years ago. It was a bit hard to drink it before it got warm.

I looked on youtube with no luck, but years ago I saw on TV a semi-pet Brahmin bull would walk into a bar (really), pick one of those bottles up with its mouth, tip it back, and sink the lot in about four seconds.

It's probably best not to think about what might happen next. Although, this might be why we need 2,500 marines. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 4, 2011 1:23 am
Since the USMC learned their basic tactics from an Aussie back in The Great War, maybe they're there for a refresher.
ZenGum • Dec 4, 2011 11:15 pm
Crocodile wrestling practise?
SamIam • Dec 5, 2011 5:40 pm
A top secret mission involving kangaroos?
BigV • Dec 5, 2011 11:15 pm
ZenGum;777495 wrote:
Alas, the "top end stubby" was phased out a few years ago. It was a bit hard to drink it before it got warm.

I looked on youtube with no luck, but years ago I saw on TV a semi-pet Brahmin bull would walk into a bar (really), pick one of those bottles up with its mouth, tip it back, and sink the lot in about four seconds.

It's probably best not to think about what might happen next. Although, this might be why we need 2,500 marines. :)


I don't know what commercial you saw but this might be the bull, and this might be the bottle.

[YOUTUBE]DP2jlgQGqf4[/YOUTUBE]
Lamplighter • Dec 5, 2011 11:28 pm
" ... the win left him $500 better off " [... after one helluva belch] :)
ZenGum • Dec 6, 2011 2:11 am
Hmmmm ... maybe my memory had one of those beers.
I definitely remember a TV news snippet with the bull in the front bar, and I'm sure he drank it in WELL under a minute. I'll go up to 15 seconds, max.

Seems we have a bunch of alcoholic cattle up north. Not one of them is on the (bullock) wagon.
ZenGum • Dec 6, 2011 2:12 am
But they do like their beers cold. Friesian, even.
Lamplighter • Dec 6, 2011 9:46 am
Griff just posted an interesting graph showing
daylight hours of light during the year vs latitude.

Does the equator area demonstrate the tilt of the earth towards the sun ?

Check it out...
BigV • Dec 6, 2011 11:04 am
Lamplighter;778134 wrote:
Griff just posted an interesting graph showing
daylight hours of light during the year vs latitude.

Does the equator area demonstrate the tilt of the earth towards the sun ?

Check it out...


It does not.
Griff • Dec 7, 2011 6:40 am
This is an interesting graph for December 7th.
Pete Zicato • Dec 7, 2011 4:31 pm
Too big and large to bring over, but interesting trivia re: ceo pay vs average worker.

http://www.payscale.com/ceo-income
infinite monkey • Dec 7, 2011 4:39 pm
Wait. What? WHAT? What? What? What? (I've gone off the deep end, get me to Bellevue) WHAT?

101 MILLION DOLLARS? That's like a million per dalmatian.

That. Doesn't. Even. Make. Sense.

:headshake

The freaking .0000000000000000000001%.
HungLikeJesus • Dec 7, 2011 6:13 pm
I'm running for CEO.
infinite monkey • Dec 13, 2011 10:03 am
Which college degrees are worth the debt?

http://www.crisp360.com/info/which-college-degrees-are-worth-student-loan-debt-infographic#ixzz1gHhEH1Xm
Pico and ME • Dec 13, 2011 10:15 am
Engineering has always been the one major with a good payout. If only I had been good in maths...sigh.
infinite monkey • Dec 13, 2011 10:17 am
Me to. I done good in English. No money in it, tho. :lol:

Yet my differential aptitude test in HS suggested I be a rocket scientist. Yeah. Right. Is there a job for 'good test taker'?
kerosene • Dec 13, 2011 7:45 pm
That was very enlightening. I wish there was something like this for master's degrees.
HungLikeJesus • Dec 13, 2011 8:23 pm
It seems like every time you get another degree your income goes down.
kerosene • Dec 13, 2011 8:26 pm
I should have never gone past 6th grade, dammit! :D
Lamplighter • Dec 13, 2011 10:00 pm
Please stop now, for a breather.

Higher education (degrees) may be just union cards for some,
but it can be so much more... leading to a life with more interests
and appreciation of things, other than the "job".

OMG, but I hated it when my folks sat around the dinner table,
and bitched about their "jobs". Who said what... What was said back.

My folks encouraged me to go on to college, and then through grad school, and then post-doc.
By then, my HS friends were in jobs, had families, and had "things".

While in college, I was jealous and frustrated. It took several years
to catch up on the $, but I believe my life and my family's life were
so much better due to time in college and university.
And, I enjoyed my career... a lot.

Debt is one thing, but it's not irreversible.
Earning a living is necessary, but it's not sufficient.
Undertoad • Dec 14, 2011 12:40 pm
TXTing while driving: dangerous, but not as dangerous as you'd think

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link
classicman • Dec 14, 2011 12:49 pm
If you add the three red ones together from slide 2 (all cell phone related) it totals up to about 400,000 and the second deadliest cause behind inattention.
Clodfobble • Dec 14, 2011 12:52 pm
No Driver Present


What does this mean? The car is in motion but no one is behind the wheel?
Pico and ME • Dec 14, 2011 12:58 pm
I don't understand the 'no driver present'.

eda - me too, lol
classicman • Dec 14, 2011 1:07 pm
Just guessing here -
The car was hit by another car while parked?
The car rolled down a hill or was left in gear?
The driver was :doit: in the backseat?
glatt • Dec 14, 2011 1:17 pm
Gotta be a parked car getting hit by something. Our car has been in two accidents and both were no driver present. (Can't avoid the idiots trying to hit you if you aren't in the car.)
Undertoad • Dec 14, 2011 1:19 pm
But no driver present only represents about 210 crashes (n.b. classic, the numbers aren't listed in thousands)

It's gotta be, they left off the e-brake and the car rolled downhill until it hit a moving vehicle.
glatt • Dec 14, 2011 1:25 pm
I call BS on the whole "Not Distracted" category. I assume it's self reporting. Enough said.
Lamplighter • Dec 14, 2011 1:36 pm
Clodfobble;780245 wrote:
What does this mean? The car is in motion but no one is behind the wheel?


The "caller" died in the accident ? :rolleyes:
infinite monkey • Dec 14, 2011 3:17 pm
glatt;780259 wrote:
I call BS on the whole "Not Distracted" category. I assume it's self reporting. Enough said.


Exactly.

For garsh sakes, people are killing each other out there to get a text out.

Ridiculous.
classicman • Dec 14, 2011 3:22 pm
glatt;780259 wrote:
I call BS on the whole "Not Distracted" category. I assume it's self reporting. Enough said.


Yes it was ... They texted their answers in. :eyebrow:
Gravdigr • Dec 19, 2011 6:29 am
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India...yeah, no shit.
Undertoad • Dec 19, 2011 5:06 pm
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Sperlock • Dec 19, 2011 11:39 pm
Gravdigr;781249 wrote:
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India...yeah, no shit.


Actually, there's probably a lot of it. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Dec 20, 2011 1:19 am
Word.
classicman • Dec 22, 2011 5:29 pm
For the pilot who rarely posts here anymore ...
classicman • Dec 27, 2011 3:49 pm
Since the Pres has decided to ask for congress to raise the debt ceiling again, I thought this was fitting.
(note the team in power at the bottom)
infinite monkey • Dec 27, 2011 5:01 pm
One time I drank these crazy fizzy drinks and floated up into the air and I thought I hit the debt ceiling. Turns out it was only the glass ceiling. :lol:
HungLikeJesus • Dec 27, 2011 6:00 pm
I bet you got dressed in the basement after that.
glatt • Dec 29, 2011 10:08 am
I think it's funny that the Republicans are represented by pink. Not that I care, but because I know they do.
BigV • Dec 29, 2011 5:52 pm
is the house control part of the graphic correct toward the later part of the axis?
glatt • Dec 30, 2011 9:13 am
looks wrong to me
classicman • Jan 6, 2012 3:54 pm
Here are a couple interesting, if not frightening from yesterday's MJ show.
This link will take you to their page. I couldn't find the video of the segment on youtube.
ZenGum • Jan 6, 2012 6:24 pm
First graph ... defense, discretionary and other mandatory will flatline for 30 years? :eyebrow: :headshake
It is worth noting that the biggest consistent increase is in health care. In fact, if you spent less on that, it might cut back the social security obligations a bit too. :bolt:

Second graph ... incomprehensible. What is the vertical axis? What was at zero in 2008?
classicman • Jan 6, 2012 10:45 pm
Go to the link ZG ...
The first graph - These are current projections as a % of GDP.
The second graph is employment change from 2008. Based upon employment in 2008. Thats why its at 0.
ZenGum • Jan 7, 2012 1:11 am
classicman;785742 wrote:
Go to the link ZG ...
The first graph - These are current projections as a % of GDP.


I find those projections to be highly implausible.



The second graph is employment change from 2008. Based upon employment in 2008. Thats why its at 0.


Okay, thanks, that makes some sense, at least.
classicman • Jan 17, 2012 2:44 pm
Government spending vs Unemployment
classicman • Jan 17, 2012 2:44 pm
oops - from here admittedly biased source, but if the numbers are correct, it is an interesting trend.
HungLikeJesus • Jan 17, 2012 3:13 pm
It would be interesting to see those two parameters plotted against each other.

From the link:
[FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Auto sales peaked in 1985 (11 million) and have been declining at a fairly steady rate since 1999. In 2009, Americans bought just 5.4 million passenger cars. As a result, the median age of a registered vehicle in the U.S. is almost 10 years.[/SIZE][/FONT]
Maybe cars have just gotten so much better that they don't need to be replaced every three to five years.
Happy Monkey • Jan 17, 2012 6:43 pm
classicman;788607 wrote:
Government spending vs Unemployment
There doesn't appear to be a consistent leader between the two, so I would guess that neither causes the other; they are correllated because they are both related to the strength of the economy in general.
ZenGum • Jan 17, 2012 11:44 pm
Well, rising unemployment can lead to government stimulus packages, which would explain the correlation in 2008-2010. Man, those lines got ugly there, didn't they?
Gravdigr • Jan 18, 2012 11:47 am
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classicman • Jan 18, 2012 12:26 pm
Can't get the pics out, but a good look at a couple more.
I'm in this BIG EFFIN RED area with a few other dwellars.

27+ weeks 45.9% Gah!

Wall Street Journal
tw • Jan 18, 2012 11:28 pm
ZenGum;788731 wrote:
Well, rising unemployment can lead to government stimulus packages,
When recessions occur, unemployment goes up. A government that continues spending normally also goes up on that chart. A reduced GDP and unchanged government spending appears on that chart as increased government spending.

The chart would have to be deceptive. On that chart, both unemployment and government spending must go up when GDP goes down. Those trends report nothing useful or informative.
ZenGum • Jan 18, 2012 11:50 pm
That, sir, is a Good Point.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 19, 2012 11:18 pm
classicman;788907 wrote:
Can't get the pics out, but a good look at a couple more.
I'm in this BIG EFFIN RED area with a few other dwellars.

27+ weeks 45.9% Gah!

Wall Street Journal
classicman • Jan 19, 2012 11:22 pm
tx xob
classicman • Jan 20, 2012 10:49 pm
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classicman • Jan 20, 2012 10:50 pm
What happened in 1980 - Privatization or what?
Lamplighter • Jan 20, 2012 11:07 pm
Ronald Reagan
classicman • Jan 20, 2012 11:10 pm
yeh, I got that much ... and?
Pico and ME • Jan 20, 2012 11:36 pm
Is that when the war on drugs started?
Lamplighter • Jan 20, 2012 11:57 pm
From Classic's graph link in Wikipedia...

Marijuana constitutes almost half of all drug arrests, and between 1990–2002, marijuana accounted for 82% of the increase in the number of drug arrests . In 2004, approximately 12.7% of state prisoners and 12.4% of Federal prisoners were serving time for a marijuana-related offense.[53]

The practice of imposing longer prison sentences on repeat offenders is common in many countries, but the Three strike laws in the U.S., which mandate 25 year imprisonment and were implemented in many states in the 1990s, is very extreme in comparison with most European countries. During the first 9 years after Nixon coined the expression War on Drugs, statistics show only a minor increase in the total number of imprisoned which implies that some factor other than the declaration of "war" is the primary contributor to the incarceration rate.


Reagan, as Governor of Calif pushed the de-institutionalization of patients with mental illness...
proposing instead they be treated in their local communities with the State providing funds.
The funding never happened.
Then, as President, this de-institutionalization program spread across the nation.
classicman • Jan 20, 2012 11:59 pm
That seems to be a big part of it P&M...
Much of that surge is the result of public policy, such as the war on drugs and mandatory minimum sentencing. Nearly 1 in 4 of the inmates in federal and state prisons are there because of drug-related offenses, most of them nonviolent.
Narcotic-related arrests

New drug policies have especially affected incarceration rates for women, which have increased at nearly double the rate for men since 1980. Nearly 1 in 3 women in prison today are serving sentences for drug-related crimes.
classicman • Jan 21, 2012 12:01 am
A major cause of such high numbers is the length of the prison sentences in the United States. One of the criticisms of the United States system is that it has much longer sentences than any other part of the world. The typical mandatory sentence for a first-time drug offense in federal court is five or ten years, compared to other developed countries around the world where a first time offense would warrant at most 6 months in jail.[16] Mandatory sentencing prohibits judges from using their discretion and forces them to place longer sentences on nonviolent offenses than they normally would do.

bold mine
ZenGum • Jan 21, 2012 12:07 am
Regarding the politicians who wrote those laws, were they being lobbied by the owners of private prisons, perhaps? :eyebrow:


Minor point - the graph suggests the growth in prison population has slowed since 2000, but the last column is only from 2000 to 2006, but is still drawn as wide as the other ten-year columns. Probably growth has continued at the same rate.
Lamplighter • Jan 21, 2012 1:09 am
Prisons, Privatization, And Public Values *
Stephen McFarland
Chris McGowan 
Tom O'Toole
Presented to Prof. Mildred Warner 
Privatization and Devolution CRP 612 
December 2002

Introduction to Prison Privatization

The movement towards the privatization of corrections in the
United States is a result of [COLOR="DarkRed"]the convergence of two factors:
the unprecedented growth of the US prison population since 1970
and the emergence out of the Reagan era of a political environment
favorable to free-market solutions.[/COLOR]

Since the first private prison facility was opened in 1984, the industry has grown rapidly;
gross revenues exceeded $1 billion in 1997. This paper will examine the industry's growth
in the US in recent decades, and its current scope. The evidence for and against
claims that private prisons can realize gains in efficiency will be weighed,
and implications of privatization for other public values including safety, justice, and legitimacy will be examined.
<snip>


A note in passing: The GEO Corporation used to be named the "Wackenhut Corrections Corporation"
Sounds a bit like McCain's "Wack-A-Mole" theory of war. :D
Griff • Jan 21, 2012 7:48 am
Lamplighter;789596 wrote:
From Classic's graph link in Wikipedia...



Reagan, as Governor of Calif pushed the de-institutionalization of patients with mental illness...
proposing instead they be treated in their local communities with the State providing funds.
The funding never happened.
Then, as President, this de-institutionalization program spread across the nation.


Not to defend the resultant lack of care, but we cannot gloss over what those institutions were and occasionally still are. Abuse and neglect were rampant the system needed to be bulldozed not tweaked. Even today the institutionalized mentally ill suffer at the hands of insensitive, sometimes abusive, poorly trained staff. My SiL is trying to cleanup one such public facility in NYS. You would not believe how many workers are on administrative leave when they should have been fired and maybe prosecuted. Cuomo is rightfully pissed about it.

Oh and legalize it. You know, if Obama put a legalization plank down, I'd be back on board in a heartbeat. Hell I might even put a election sign by the road.
Flint • Jan 21, 2012 10:16 am
classicman;789581 wrote:
###
There's a great song about the shocking rise in prison populations. These guys know what's up, check it out:
[YOUTUBEWIDE]yndfqN1VKhY[/YOUTUBEWIDE]
Lamplighter • Jan 21, 2012 11:13 am
Griff, I'm in agreement with you for the most part.

When the movement for de-institutionalizationi was beginning,
I was completely on-board... as were most of the families of the patients.

When Reagan became Governor in Calif, and was a good spokesman for the need
to do something about the care of the mentally ill and the developmentally disabled
(at that time called mentally retarded)

The disaster came because Reagan sold the policy based on promises
to continue the State $ in the form of "community service",
such as Group Homes, increased numbers of Case Workers, and health care and meds, etc.
But then once the institutions were emptied, he dried up or never even made available as promised.
His budgets for community care of these people shriveled.
When he became President, he followed the same path with Federal funds.

So we have what we have... high rates of mental illness among the homeless,
and the abuse of the homeless is out of sight, except to law enforcement,
and Case Workers with impossible case loads.
A thousand points of (flickering and dim or dark) lights.

Reagan is portrayed as a hero by the Republicans, but it's a superficial and mythical image.
Ummm...., but then the military did get it's 600-ship Navy.
.
classicman • Jan 21, 2012 2:02 pm
Flint;789657 wrote:
There's a great song about the shocking rise in prison populations.

I tried - If I want to be screamed at for that length of time, I'll just call my ex-wife.
Flint • Jan 21, 2012 4:07 pm
Ha ha, I get it, not everybody's cup of tea.
classicman • Jan 21, 2012 4:09 pm
I did read the lyrics though.
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2012 5:49 pm
from here.

Sorry, no sources were given, outside of CDC&P.

I'm not sure whether the first chart is % of drinkers that binge, or % of population that binges.

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Gravdigr • Jan 25, 2012 6:40 pm
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Gravdigr • Jan 25, 2012 6:44 pm
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Lamplighter • Jan 25, 2012 7:22 pm
Yet again, Grav... :D
Beest • Jan 26, 2012 1:10 pm

One in six American adults is a binge drinker, consuming alcohol in excess about four times a month,...
The study — which defines binge drinking as five or more drinks in a short period of time for men and four or more for women....
Wisconsin is the state with the most binge drinkers at 25 percent of the population
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Five drinks - LOL

Percentage of Americans that are lightweights - 83%
infinite monkey • Jan 26, 2012 1:25 pm
Beest;790865 wrote:
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Five drinks - LOL

Percentage of Americans that are lightweights - 83%


:lol2:

srsly!

5 drinks is a binge? I thought five drinks was an appetizer!
footfootfoot • Jan 26, 2012 1:39 pm
Yeah five drinks and I'm just beginning to be smart and funny
infinite monkey • Jan 26, 2012 3:33 pm
Double that, and I start looking good!

:lol:
classicman • Jan 26, 2012 4:56 pm
I'm in that 83%
Five drinks - HA, that would take me months.
HungLikeJesus • Jan 26, 2012 5:04 pm
footfootfoot;790867 wrote:
Yeah five drinks and I'm just beginning to be smart and funny


That must be your daily breakfast, since you're always funny.
Clodfobble • Jan 26, 2012 10:42 pm
classic wrote:
I'm in that 83%
Five drinks - HA, that would take me months.


I am the 83%.

One drink is enough to make me feel it; two, and I am noticeably drunk. I have a drink every month or two, that's it.
classicman • Jan 26, 2012 11:22 pm
Right there with ya Clod.
classicman • Jan 27, 2012 12:09 am
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classicman • Feb 20, 2012 11:32 pm
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Undertoad • Feb 21, 2012 12:45 am
Apples and oranges again. If they don't want to count Gulf of Mexico oil then they are not serious. But also, they are counting the entire British invasion which certainly does not represent music production in the States. I'd like to see this chart again WITH Gulf and Alaskan oil and WITHOUT the Beatles, Zep, and Stones. Thank you.
Lamplighter • Feb 21, 2012 12:48 am
UT, that's just being picky :rolleyes:

If we want more oil, this proves we only need to produce more musicians.

Drum, Baby, Drum !
infinite monkey • Feb 21, 2012 3:30 pm
Lamplighter;796748 wrote:
UT, that's just being picky :rolleyes:

If we want more oil, this proves we only need to produce more musicians.

Drum, Baby, Drum !


Maybe the Drill Team? :cheerldr:
Lamplighter • Feb 21, 2012 6:23 pm
perfect !
classicman • Feb 24, 2012 2:52 pm
... from here.
Lamplighter • Feb 24, 2012 3:16 pm
@Classic, I'm not getting your point.

What is it about unemployment figures you are wanting me to get ?
i.e., they go up and they go down, the numbers depend on what is counted.

I think of employment/unemployment as the same as being pregnant or having a rare disease.
If you are it, your number is 100%
classicman • Feb 24, 2012 3:30 pm
You may "get" out of it whatever you want.
That all depends upon your perspective.

We've discussed the U-3 and U-6 already. They typically run parallel to each other.
This chart has another line on it that runs counter to them starting in 2010. Why?
Lamplighter • Feb 24, 2012 5:18 pm
I think of employment/unemployment as the same as being pregnant or having a rare disease.
If you are it, your number is 100%


The SGS-Alternate starts rising in 2009.
For this group: "Once risen, stays risen".

Isn't the explanation in the definition ?
(completely discouraged, given up, won't take work even if offered)
classicman • Feb 24, 2012 6:18 pm
The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.

You are correct. I missed it.
Lamplighter • Feb 24, 2012 7:07 pm
So, if the definitions are understood, what would it take to drop the U-6 curve
back down and cross the U-3 curve... instead of running parallel with it ?
(I assume the U-6's are a more difficult nut to crack because they have been
unemployed longer and used up or lost their career contacts)

It seems to me that cutting off unemployment funding (payments) would cause
the U-6 to rise faster and overtake the SGS, and that would not be a good thing.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2012 8:09 pm
All you self centered peasants whine about how tough you have it.
Well Forbes says the 1% are getting squeezed more than you are.
classicman • Feb 26, 2012 1:45 am
Lamplighter;797627 wrote:
what would it take to drop the U-6 curve
back down and cross the U-3 curve... instead of running parallel with it ?


Huh?
Lamplighter • Feb 26, 2012 2:18 am
If the U3 are still actively looking for work and are being somewhat successful,
what would it take to get the U6 back in the work force at their proper level ?
Griff • Feb 26, 2012 7:46 am
A land war in Asia with a universal draft.
Lamplighter • Feb 26, 2012 9:56 am
or a gold strike in Alaska...
Griff • Feb 26, 2012 11:30 am
Problem solved!
classicman • Feb 26, 2012 12:56 pm
Lamplighter;797815 wrote:

what would it take to get the U6 back in the work force at their proper level ?


They'd have to be eligible to receive benefits. no?
Spexxvet • Feb 28, 2012 9:38 am
xoxoxoBruce;797802 wrote:
All you self centered peasants whine about how tough you have it.
Well Forbes says the 1% are getting squeezed more than you are.


Yeah, have you seen the price of caviar lately?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 29, 2012 3:39 am
I wouldn't eat that shit for free. :dead3:
classicman • Mar 15, 2012 4:47 pm
Good fun here with gas prices
ZenGum • Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm
I am frequently mildly amused by economic graphs of the last five years, in any category. You don't even need to look along the bottom axis for the dates, you just glance at the line and where it falls off a #$%&ing cliff, that's 2008.
ZenGum • Mar 18, 2012 11:35 pm
from the International Institute of Strategic Studies, whoever they are:
http://iissvoicesblog.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/charting-the-shift-in-defence-spending/


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glatt • Mar 19, 2012 8:22 am
That top chart reminds me of this.
Spexxvet • Mar 19, 2012 2:36 pm
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Happy Monkey • Mar 19, 2012 5:30 pm
Wow. Take out everything but the title and legend, and its still depressing.

eta: add the map back in, and unless I missed one, I live in the maximum.
HungLikeJesus • Mar 19, 2012 6:09 pm
That's why we need to get rid of the minimum wage.
Lamplighter • Mar 19, 2012 6:56 pm
There must be something wrong in the calculations for Nevada,
... 92 hrs out of 160 h/month just for rent ?
...in a State with all those foreclosures and vacant houses.
ZenGum • Mar 19, 2012 7:11 pm
Even in the cheapest states, two adults working 40 hours at minimum wage are still spending 3/4 of their combined income on rent alone.

Insert incredulous stare here.
Rhianne • Mar 19, 2012 7:36 pm
I bet they waste the rest of their income on food or some other such nonsense.
classicman • Mar 19, 2012 7:42 pm
Livin it right here baby! I'm surrounded by that dark blue. :(
ZenGum • Mar 19, 2012 7:46 pm
Anyone else notice that the giant block of US defense spending is almost exactly the same shade of blue as the really expensive housing areas? Coincidence? Conspiracy? or Causal connection?
HungLikeJesus • Mar 19, 2012 8:01 pm
Lamplighter;802443 wrote:
There must be something wrong in the calculations for Nevada,
... 92 hrs out of 160 h/month just for rent ?
...in a State with all those foreclosures and vacant houses.


I think that's 92 hours per week, not per month.
HungLikeJesus • Mar 19, 2012 8:02 pm
Happy Monkey;802421 wrote:
Wow. Take out everything but the title and legend, and its still depressing.

eta: add the map back in, and unless I missed one, I live in the maximum.


You might have missed Hawaii.
ZenGum • Mar 19, 2012 8:26 pm
Anyone can miss Hawaii, it's so small...
HungLikeJesus • Mar 19, 2012 8:58 pm
I wonder of those are based on federal minimum wage (which I think is currently $7.25/hr) or state minimum wage?

I think the table is in error. Here's an example - Colorado minimum wage is $7.64/hr and the table indicates you would need to work 85 hours per week to afford an apartment. That comes out to be $649/week, or $2814/month.

Maybe they mean after taxes, or after taxes and groceries and gas and all other expenses.
Griff • Mar 20, 2012 6:32 am
HungLikeJesus;802470 wrote:
You might have missed Hawaii.


Said Fred to Amelia.
ZenGum • Mar 20, 2012 7:04 am
Griff;802510 wrote:
Said Yamamoto to Amelia.
Lamplighter • Mar 20, 2012 8:31 am
:)

:)

That's what Thor said too.
Happy Monkey • Mar 20, 2012 12:05 pm
HungLikeJesus;802470 wrote:
You might have missed Hawaii.
Ah, so I did.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2012 4:20 pm
HungLikeJesus;802484 wrote:
I wonder of those are based on federal minimum wage (which I think is currently $7.25/hr) or state minimum wage?

I think the table is in error. Here's an example - Colorado minimum wage is $7.64/hr and the table indicates you would need to work 85 hours per week to afford an apartment. That comes out to be $649/week, or $2814/month.

Maybe they mean after taxes, or after taxes and groceries and gas and all other expenses.

Rent is usually monthly. I got the impression the number was how many hours a month for the rent. Also, nobody could do it in a week on Minimum wage, no matter where you live.
Gravdigr • Mar 22, 2012 5:40 pm
xoxoxoBruce;802982 wrote:
Rent is usually monthly.


When you talk about rent that minimum wage earners can afford, that rent is quite often by-the-week.

Cheapest place in my town is the local mobile home park. $130/week. But, the water bill is included in the rent.
Gravdigr • Mar 22, 2012 5:43 pm
And, yes, I lived there. Once.

Talk about motivation...ugh.
Lamplighter • Mar 22, 2012 6:26 pm
... $130 / week is equivalent to $563 / month.
... with minimum wage = $ 7.25 hr X 160 hr / month = $1,160 / mo

$563 per mo / $7.25 per hr = = 77 hrs of work / month
$563 per mo / $1,160 per mo = 48.5 % of income for rent

This is even higher than the map shows for KY, maybe due to including water bill.
HungLikeJesus • Mar 23, 2012 5:36 pm
xoxoxoBruce;802982 wrote:
Rent is usually monthly. I got the impression the number was how many hours a month for the rent. Also, nobody could do it in a week on Minimum wage, no matter where you live.


In the chart key it say "hours per week."
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 26, 2012 3:24 am
Hmm, then I'm still confused. Maybe they're saying your rent shouldn't be above 25% of your gross. :confused:
I am sure working for minimum wage sucks, though.
classicman • Mar 26, 2012 8:32 am
yes it sure does. Especially when is manual labor and you had been making 4x that.
Spexxvet • Mar 26, 2012 11:31 am
It's for a 2 bedroom unit at fair market price
infinite monkey • Mar 26, 2012 11:35 am
Fair market for a place including bedbugs, cockroaches, mice, trashy neighbors, shootings, etc...or fair market for a safe and clean facility?
glatt • Mar 26, 2012 11:46 am
It's been 15 years since I lived in an apartment, and the rent then was $950 for a 2BR. So I just pulled up craigslist so see what rents are now.

Wow. I don't know if I would be able to afford to live here if I had to rent. It would not be easy.
Griff • Mar 26, 2012 5:24 pm
He he... I think we paid $250 all included for our last rental. Major elbow grease in lieu of money and they never raised the rent on us.
glatt • Mar 27, 2012 9:41 am
Amazing that my mortgage payment for an entire house is so much cheaper than the rent of a 2BR apartment today. When we were buying the place, I was nervous that our mortgage was going to be more than what we were paying in rent at the time, but our agent kept telling us that rents keep going up, but the mortgage payment stays the same. Turns out he was absolutely right.

It's kind of embarrassing. I pay less for housing than some of the kids right out of college coming to work here.

So here's a question. Why can't you deduct rent from your income taxes the way you can deduct mortgage interest payments? Seems like the poor get a double whammy there.
infinite monkey • Mar 27, 2012 10:57 am
Not just the 'poor.'

Non-homeowners make up for homeowners' deductions, like those with no dependents make up for child deductions.

When I was a DINK (double income/no kids) it seemed that we were 'dinged' a lot, then we got some breaks, but not much. Those breaks were still better than any breaks I've ever received. The most significant one of late was the 'making work pay' credit which saved me 400 bucks. That's gone now too.
glatt • Mar 27, 2012 12:12 pm
infinite monkey;804033 wrote:
Not just the 'poor.'


Yeah. That was a bad choice of words. Sloppy on my part.

But it seems like the more money a person has, the more the system is set up to favor them. I understand that in this example, the government wants to encourage home ownership, and I'm glad they do. But another way of looking at it is that they penalize renters.
Clodfobble • Mar 27, 2012 3:09 pm
glatt wrote:
So here's a question. Why can't you deduct rent from your income taxes the way you can deduct mortgage interest payments? Seems like the poor get a double whammy there.


Because every rental does still have an owner, and that owner is deducting the mortgage interest from his taxes. So at a minimum, you'd have double deductions on the same house. But what would also then happen is you'd have people renting their own houses to themselves, or renting it to their spouse filing separately or whatever, so they could take the deduction twice.

The trick is to always look at everything from a scumbag mindset. Fraud is easy if you're looking for ways to do it.

glatt wrote:
I was nervous that our mortgage was going to be more than what we were paying in rent at the time, but our agent kept telling us that rents keep going up, but the mortgage payment stays the same. Turns out he was absolutely right.

It's kind of embarrassing. I pay less for housing than some of the kids right out of college coming to work here.



What about your property taxes? Surely those have gone up over the years, probably at a rate similar to the amount rent has gone up? At this point my dad's property taxes are far, far higher than the mortgage on his house, and when he's ready to retire he'll have no choice but to sell the house because the neighborhood has gotten too nice for him to keep paying the property taxes on it.
HungLikeJesus • Mar 27, 2012 3:36 pm
Good point; there's also major maintenance and renovation costs, which can be significant. I haven't really tracked it, but I bet we spend between $5,000 and $10,000 per year on things like furnace repair, new roof, etc.
Gravdigr • Mar 27, 2012 4:05 pm
JFC.
HungLikeJesus • Mar 27, 2012 4:31 pm
Don't you mean KFC?
Griff • Mar 27, 2012 8:59 pm
5-10k/yr@KFC! Call the medics.

The mortgage deduction looks like a scam from where I'm sitting.
Clodfobble • Mar 27, 2012 10:25 pm
I have to say, while I like taking the mortgage deduction myself (I got mine, Jack!) I don't think it's really that effective at promoting homeownership like it's supposed to. I mean, who says to themselves, "Weeeeelllll, we're on the fence about buying a house, such a big commitment and all... Wait, what's that? At the end of next year, our total tax bill will be reduced by a relatively small percentage of the interest payments we will be making on this house? Oh shit, sign us up today!"

Besides that, I think promoting homeownership is a wasted initiative to begin with. They have it backwards: homeownership is associated with stable and productive families, yes, but it's an effect, not a cause. You can't just give someone a house and all of a sudden they're a paragon of civic duty and filial responsibility.
classicman • Mar 27, 2012 11:01 pm
WSS^^^
glatt • Mar 28, 2012 8:20 am
Clodfobble;804096 wrote:
What about your property taxes? Surely those have gone up over the years, probably at a rate similar to the amount rent has gone up? At this point my dad's property taxes are far, far higher than the mortgage on his house.


Yeah, the taxes keep going up. But while there was a huge jump during the real estate boom a decade or so ago, they have stayed pretty steady over the last decade.
Clodfobble • Mar 28, 2012 10:22 am
I don't know about Virginia, but in Texas they're only allowed to raise your property taxes by a certain percentage each year, to help keep the established homeowners from being forced out during housing bubbles. But if you live in a place long enough, it'll still catch up with you in the end.

Our neighborhood was subject to part of the housing crash, and our house is currently still appraised at less than we paid for it (though not less than we actualy owe on it, fortunately,) but we like that because we know it'll go back up eventually, we have no intentions of moving, and in the meantime it means our property taxes are lower.
glatt • Mar 28, 2012 11:10 am
When the bottom fell out of the market, our real estate taxes didn't really go down. The assessment went down, but the government raised the tax rate to keep the tax amount pretty level. And then as assessments have crept up slowly, they have lowered the tax rate.
Gravdigr • Mar 28, 2012 5:49 pm
Gravdigr;804123 wrote:
JFC.


HungLikeJesus;804132 wrote:
Don't you mean KFC?


Kentucky Fucking Christ? That don't make no sense.

:D
ZenGum • Mar 28, 2012 7:29 pm
glatt;804259 wrote:
When the bottom fell out of the market, our real estate taxes didn't really go down. The assessment went down, but the government raised the tax rate to keep the tax amount pretty level. And then as assessments have crept up slowly, they have lowered the tax rate.


The only thing that surprises me here is the last five words.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 29, 2012 5:45 am
Clodfobble;804214 wrote:
You can't just give someone a house and all of a sudden they're a paragon of civic duty and filial responsibility.

Yes I am. :p:
Clodfobble • Mar 29, 2012 8:48 am
glatt wrote:
The assessment went down, but the government raised the tax rate to keep the tax amount pretty level.


Those bastards!
pastortoy • Mar 29, 2012 10:54 pm
Clodfobble;804096 wrote:
At this point my dad's property taxes are far, far higher than the mortgage on his house, and when he's ready to retire he'll have no choice but to sell the house because the neighborhood has gotten too nice for him to keep paying the property taxes on it.


How can you ever "own" a house if you have to keep up payments to the government for it? You never really have it free and clear. They call this the American dream? :confused:
classicman • Mar 29, 2012 11:53 pm
Taxes are on the property, not the structure upon it.
Lamplighter • Mar 30, 2012 12:15 am
classicman;804543 wrote:
Taxes are on the property, not the structure upon it.


I wish...

Oregon puts separate values on land and it's improvements (e.g.,house)
and bases the taxes on both.
BigV • Mar 30, 2012 12:57 pm
Lamplighter;804550 wrote:
I wish...

Oregon puts separate values on land and it's improvements (e.g.,house)
and bases the taxes on both.

Same here in Washington.
Perry Winkle • Mar 30, 2012 2:06 pm
In Montana you just shoot the tax collector and then buy the cops off with with meth and the mineral rights for your property.
classicman • Mar 31, 2012 6:37 pm
I was completely wrong. From what I've read since, all states take into account the dwelling or "improvements."
Gravdigr • Apr 2, 2012 4:07 pm
Way too big to post, unreadable if downsized enough...

The War On Drugs

Very interesting, but, there are no given sources.
Spexxvet • Apr 2, 2012 4:35 pm
Gravdigr;804946 wrote:
Way too big to post, unreadable if downsized enough...

The War On Drugs

Very interesting, but, there are no given sources.


Another reason to annex Mexico. We're losing the illegal drug industry to those bastards south of the border. They took our jobs!
Gravdigr • Apr 5, 2012 5:44 pm
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Congratulations. You've just been Rick-rolled by a pie chart!

:lol2:
Pete Zicato • Apr 6, 2012 9:58 am
Interesting information - how we spend money now vs. 1949. From here:

https://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/04/05/149997097/what-americans-buy

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classicman • Apr 6, 2012 11:25 am
Wow Pete - Thats hard to believe. Apparel & Food down???
Clodfobble • Apr 6, 2012 2:54 pm
Absolutely. Everyone ate real food then. It was like eating an exclusively organic, grass-fed diet, for everyone, because that was the only thing that existed. Our grocery bill isn't quite 40% of our income, but it's close.
classicman • Apr 9, 2012 10:58 pm
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classicman • Apr 9, 2012 11:00 pm
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Spexxvet • Apr 10, 2012 9:09 am
classicman;805797 wrote:
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Wherdja gettit?
classicman • Apr 10, 2012 12:33 pm
Google search or an article?!?!?! Damn if I can remember now. :(

ETA ... I remembered IM's trick with the "save as" and looked it up..
Link here

I didn't get it there, but that is the apparent original location.
classicman • Apr 14, 2012 9:42 pm
While the press cheers on every sign of private sector job creation, little attention is being paid to public sector job destruction.
As the Economic Policy Institute reports, while there has been an increase of some 2.8 million private sector jobs since June 2009,
public sector employment (federal, state, and local governments combined) has actually fallen by approximately 600,000.
This is a very unusual development as the figure below reveals.
classicman • Apr 14, 2012 9:43 pm
According to the Economic Policy Institute, if the percentage growth of public sector employment in this recovery
had followed past recovery trends, we would have an additional 1.2 million public sector jobs and some 500,000 additional private sector jobs. A separate reason for concern about this trend is that lost public sector jobs generally means a decline in the services
that we need to sustain our communities. The withering away of our public sector during a period of expansion should worry us all.

link
ZenGum • Apr 14, 2012 9:47 pm
Classic, when the heck did you become a big-government socialist? ;)
classicman • Apr 14, 2012 9:51 pm
lol.
Lamplighter • Apr 15, 2012 1:01 am
classicman;806512 wrote:
While the press cheers on every sign of private sector job creation, little attention is being paid to public sector job destruction.
As the Economic Policy Institute reports, while there has been an increase of some 2.8 million private sector jobs since June 2009,
public sector employment (federal, state, and local governments combined) has actually fallen by approximately 600,000.
This is a very unusual development as the figure below reveals.


And 2/3 of those 600,000+ jobs were held by women.
Griff • Apr 15, 2012 6:59 am
I know a number of teachers who will be unemployed in the Fall regardless of talent.
Gravdigr • May 1, 2012 5:14 pm
If a shitstorm develops over this, please begin the shitstorm in a more appropriate thread, so we don't hijack this one. I thought I'd seen a Trayvon Martin Shooting thread, and would have posted it there, but, I couldn't find it.

I didn't make this, I didn't even go looking for it. And I've lost the link.

I did find it interesting, even if I don't completely understand the numbers:

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Spexxvet • May 15, 2012 1:17 pm
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classicman • May 16, 2012 9:23 pm
from here
Gravdigr • Jun 2, 2012 4:36 pm
Maybe a not so scientific survey...interesting though.

from collegehumor

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ZenGum • Jun 2, 2012 8:07 pm
Could someone explain the spliff/joint/blunt distinction?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 2, 2012 9:01 pm
Spliffs usually have a rollrd heavy paper mouthpiece.

Blunts are usually cigars (or cigarettes) hollowed out and filled.
Gravdigr • Jun 3, 2012 2:21 pm
A spliff around here is when you use the diagonal rolling technique. As opposed to a straight up joint. Supposedly leaves no roach.

A blunt uses a emptied cigar paper, or, alternatively, a wrap. A wrap is just an empty (sometimes flavored) cigar paper that was never a cigar.

YMMV
Undertoad • Jun 3, 2012 4:38 pm
urbandictionary.com says

a quality cigarette rolled with both tobacco and marajuana, initially popular on Europe's Iberian Peninsula

additionally, the term has been adopted to mean any high quality or well-rolled marajuana joint


Around me the term has been used to indicate a comically large joint perhaps even rolled with newspaper.

As your webmaster, I advise against smoking newspaper.

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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 4, 2012 12:00 am
Just goes to show you can't get a definitive answer from dopers. :haha:
classicman • Jun 4, 2012 11:46 pm
cuz they all forgot.
Gravdigr • Jun 26, 2012 3:54 pm
I tried every way I know to get this flow chart down to a postable/readable size...but, I can't get it smaller than 300kb and still be legible.

The Stephen King Universe (less The Dark Tower)

(May have to fiddle with that link, it doesn't want to play nice)
classicman • Jun 26, 2012 5:00 pm
This one
Gravdigr • Jun 30, 2012 2:33 pm
It happens frequently, and, it's easy to do, but...

I'm confused.
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jimhelm • Jun 30, 2012 3:20 pm
spode had this on fb the other day

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Ibby • Jul 3, 2012 2:41 am
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yeah, you're reading that right. plants prettymuch stop being able to photosynthesize at around Fahrenheit 100.

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and that's a graph from a study titled "When can we expect extremely high surface temperatures?" predicting the rise of extreme temperatures worldwide.

see the bit where the midwest gets hot enough to kill crops more and more often, hotter and hotter, starting like... pretty damn soon?

after the recent heatwaves across the US, supposedly less than half of US corn is judged to be in "good" condition by the USDA and 22% is considered "bad", when just months ago, with record planting, the USDA predicted a record crop this year. The price of corn has risen 30% since June, after the same record temperatures hammered farms in South America.

At least, assuming this well-written and highly-recommended article is right. sounds pretty damn dire.
ZenGum • Jul 3, 2012 8:47 am
I think that article is three fifths true, makes two significant lapses, and is written poorly and more alarmist than necessary.

True: the planet is warming.
True: plants suffer a lot in heat and eventually stop photosynthesising (and soon die).
True: we need these plants.

Important lapse 1: the graph of photosynthesis and temperature, a key piece of the article, fails my epistemological tests.
All their other graphs are derived from the article you link to, are well labeled and show the sort of scattered data one expects. The photosynthesis/temperature graph is not well labeled (units for photosynthesis?), is never attributed to a source (and I followed the links to other Kos articles) and IMHO has data points that fit the required curve too damn neatly to be real. The kicker for me, though, is that it does not say which species of plant this is for - different species would have different levels of tolerance. For example, equatorial regions are covered in forests. There might be truth in this, but that graph is IMHO not up to it.


Important lapse 2: Now consider the other graph you have shown. It is not a forecast of average annual temperature, nor even the highest temperature expected each year. It is the T100. It is well explained here:

http://texasclimate.org/ClimateChange/ExtremeTemperatures/tabid/438/Default.aspx

When assessing the consequences of climate change for human health and most ecosystems, very high temperatures are much more important than average temperatures. Earlier studies have shown that cold extremes will warm faster than warm extremes and that warm extremes will warm faster than average temperatures. European scientists have published a study focused on extremely high air temperatures, represented by the 100-year return temperature (T100). (T100 is a specific statistical expression that means that every year you have a 1% chance of getting that temperature.) Their results show a projected global-mean temperature increase of 3.5°K by 2100, which is at the upper end of the range given by the models analyzed in the 2007 IPCC-AR4. The authors acknowledge that the present generation of climate models, including the one used in this study, tends to overestimate extreme temperature values. However, even after correcting for this bias, they found that by 2090-2100, projected T100 far exceeds 40°C in Southern Europe and the U.S. Midwest and even reaches 50°C in large parts of the area equatorward of 30°, notably in India and the middle East, and also in most of Australia. The projected T100 values, the authors note, should be taken seriously, since they indicate that potential for dangerously high future temperatures in densely populated areas.


So those temperatures you are looking at on that graph are 99% likely higher than any you would actually experience even once each year.

Poorly written and alarmist? IMHO, yes. It jumps around from photosynthesis to human heatstroke, and throws various examples around in jumbled order, and I believe has misused one respectable graph and used one that is suspect.

That said, cereal crops are crucial to human civilisation, they are harmed by heatwaves, heatwaves are expected to become more common, this is bad. It's not quite as dire as that article makes it look.
Undertoad • Jul 3, 2012 9:23 am
Plants love CO2. Warming is about one degree. I'm sure we'll be fine.
ZenGum • Jul 3, 2012 9:32 am
I refer you, sir, to my post in your "Insult me" thread. :D

The research behind Ibby's article indicates that peak temperatures are expected to increase by more than average temperatures, and it is the peaks that mess things up for us.
Undertoad • Jul 3, 2012 10:23 am
Mine is not a righty position. Inherent in my statement is that warming is happening and likely to continue. (After the current pause.)

I just don't have the alarm that others have. For one thing, I notice there are both winners and losers in climate change and everyone is ignoring the winners for some dumb reason. Some places will become dust bowls, other places will become the new fertile territory. And this has already happened over and over again, even in recorded history.

I notice that climate scientists are not botanists. Problems with plants are now easily solved through genetic engineering (or the old slower style of genetic engineering where plants and animals are bred for traits). We need corn that can take an extra few degrees of summer heat -- and they say the price for that kind just went up 30%? Then we will have that corn, period. Any problem worth an additional third will suddenly have a lot of energy thrown at it, that's how markets tend to solve these things.
Undertoad • Jul 3, 2012 10:30 am
I mean, just imagine: the Sahara, largest desert in the world, was entirely fertile green grassland ONLY 6000 years ago. It was the "loser" in some round of climate change that happened just before mankind was taking notice and measuring shit and writing shit down. They figure its complete conversion to desert was ONLY 1100 years ago. But now, shortly* after this loss of fertile land, the planet has the capacity to feed 7 billion people.

We'll be fine.



*"shortly" in geologic time.
Lamplighter • Jul 3, 2012 11:20 am
Look out, Canada. Here we come.
jimhelm • Jul 3, 2012 11:27 am
Undertoad;818315 wrote:
I mean, just imagine: the Sahara, largest desert in the world, was entirely fertile green grassland ONLY 6000 years ago. It was the "loser" in some round of climate change that happened just before mankind was taking notice and measuring shit and writing shit down. They figure its complete conversion to desert was ONLY 1100 years ago. But now, shortly* after this loss of fertile land, the planet has the capacity to feed 7 billion people.

We'll be fine.



*"shortly" in geologic time.


Many years ago, Chuck Norris lit a fart in the Sahara Forest.....
Clodfobble • Jul 4, 2012 12:03 am
Undertoad wrote:
I mean, just imagine: the Sahara, largest desert in the world, was entirely fertile green grassland ONLY 6000 years ago. It was the "loser" in some round of climate change that happened just before mankind was taking notice and measuring shit and writing shit down. They figure its complete conversion to desert was ONLY 1100 years ago. But now, shortly* after this loss of fertile land, the planet has the capacity to feed 7 billion people.

We'll be fine.


I totally agree that, as a species, this is neither our biggest nor most immediate problem.

But dammit, I don't want to have to move to Greenland. Shit, do you know how many boxes of books we own? And we just refinanced the house!
Ibby • Jul 4, 2012 4:35 pm
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Pico and ME • Jul 4, 2012 7:33 pm
How 'bout these Venn Diagrams?

Mitt Romney strikes again..lol.
Ibby • Jul 4, 2012 11:48 pm
High school math/stats is clearly way above the romney campaign's level?
Spexxvet • Jul 5, 2012 10:08 am
Ibby;818483 wrote:
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Love it!
classicman • Jul 7, 2012 9:24 pm
From The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan

Link
glatt • Jul 9, 2012 1:36 pm
Map of every tornado in the last 61 years.

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Spexxvet • Jul 9, 2012 1:44 pm
And here's the hurricane map
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Rhianne • Jul 9, 2012 2:23 pm
I used to have my hair just like that, the hurricane style.
Undertoad • Jul 9, 2012 2:48 pm
It turns out the only safe place to live in the eastern USA is West Virginia.

maybe a tornado isn't so bad
Sundae • Jul 9, 2012 3:41 pm
I missed the Steve Miller one earlier. Love it Ibs.
Gravdigr • Jul 9, 2012 6:33 pm
Undertoad;819172 wrote:
...maybe a tornado isn't so bad


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Gravdigr • Jul 9, 2012 6:36 pm
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Griff • Jul 10, 2012 11:41 am
Undertoad;819172 wrote:
It turns out the only safe place to live in the eastern USA is West Virginia.

maybe a tornado isn't so bad


Actually my current undisclosed location in the ADK mountains is pretty clear as well, maybe because noone is around to report?
glatt • Jul 10, 2012 12:08 pm
If you want to see the huge full resolution tornado chart, it's here.
Lamplighter • Jul 10, 2012 2:42 pm
glatt;819293 wrote:
If you want to see the huge full resolution tornado chart, it's here.


Canadian Homeland Security is really doing it's job.
It looks as if not a single tornado made it across the border into Canada
Gravdigr • Jul 25, 2012 12:31 pm
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Spexxvet • Jul 26, 2012 9:18 am
Gravdigr;821633 wrote:
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Where's the "like" button?
Gravdigr • Jul 26, 2012 5:28 pm
Aw, shit, man...It was here a minute ago.

Did you look behind the bong?
Undertoad • Jul 26, 2012 6:42 pm
Six different fonts? That's terrible!
ZenGum • Jul 27, 2012 7:17 am
Nah, man, you just got to, like, really get into each font, as it is, like, in itself, maaannn.
Pico and ME • Jul 27, 2012 11:00 am
Duuuuude.....
Gravdigr • Jul 28, 2012 3:20 pm
Undertoad;821825 wrote:
Six different fonts?


:sweat:
Spexxvet • Jul 30, 2012 10:16 am
from here
classicman • Jul 30, 2012 11:33 pm
Spexxvet;822207 wrote:
from here


Thank your congressman.
Spexxvet • Jul 31, 2012 10:41 am
classicman;822291 wrote:
Thank your congressman.


"it's Obama's fault":rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Aug 1, 2012 3:28 pm
Not a chart/graph, but I thought it was interesting. I had not, til now, thought on this issue in these terms. And that kinda surprises me, really.

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The story, w/sources, here.
BigV • Aug 2, 2012 6:07 pm
hm

didja read his methodology? Seems like the very definition of cherry picking. "didn't fit my definition, so I left it out".

lies, damn lies and one more... what was it?
ZenGum • Aug 3, 2012 10:02 am
Average deaths in a killing rampage when the killer has a gun: quite a few.

Average deaths in a killing rampage when the killer does not have a gun: fewer.



[size=1]Source: my arse.[/size]
Gravdigr • Aug 3, 2012 4:02 pm
And how do we keep the killers from getting guns?

We'll outlaw guns.

Yeah, that's gotta work.
Spexxvet • Aug 3, 2012 4:08 pm
Gravdigr;822886 wrote:
And how do we keep the killers from getting guns?

We'll outlaw guns.

Yeah, that's gotta work.


Since you're changing the argument, I take it you're conceding Zen's point?
regular.joe • Aug 3, 2012 4:57 pm
"I based it on 10 shootings I found listed on some timeline somewhere. I honestly don’t even remember where. I presented the case studies in a blog post on the Silver Circle blog and I did the math myself."

Strong research there, I believe him.
ZenGum • Aug 3, 2012 9:00 pm
Read further, Joe, when challenged, he did it over again and did it ... a little better.
regular.joe • Aug 3, 2012 9:33 pm
Ok, I'll give it another try. Honestly I stopped at the point I posted.
ZenGum • Aug 4, 2012 3:25 am
Well, if you like, but I gave up pretty soon too.
Pete Zicato • Aug 14, 2012 3:32 pm
CDC: Pretty Much Everyone Is Fat

Amazing the trend from 1985 to now.
Griff • Aug 14, 2012 3:45 pm
Check out Jamie Oliver's TED Talk. I'm going to try to show it during our training week. He claims 10+% of our health care costs are linked to obesity.
jimhelm • Aug 14, 2012 8:36 pm
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Happy Monkey • Aug 14, 2012 8:41 pm
:lol:
monster • Aug 20, 2012 1:50 pm
stole it! :D
glatt • Aug 20, 2012 1:58 pm
I showed it to my kids yesterday, and they both started singing the song and doing kung foo. Good times.
ZenGum • Aug 20, 2012 9:13 pm
"checking email"??? in 1974?!?!?! :lol:
BigV • Aug 20, 2012 9:52 pm
yes.

zero percent.

[YOUTUBE]jhUkGIsKvn0[/YOUTUBE]

come to think about it, what were you doing in 1974 when this hit the charts?
ZenGum • Aug 20, 2012 10:12 pm
Probably crapping myself, maybe learning to walk.

I'm pretty sure there was no email checking involved.
ZenGum • Aug 20, 2012 10:22 pm
Holy moolah!
classicman • Aug 21, 2012 2:35 pm
From here ...
classicman • Aug 21, 2012 2:36 pm
missed one ...
Lamplighter • Oct 5, 2012 8:22 pm
This little article interested me because we're probably going to get a new car in the next year.
That will set off our family tradition of hand-me-down cars to various family members.
I thought the cost calculator which is also linked below was interesting and seemed useful...

LA Times
Dan Turner
10/5/12

Does $5 gas = buy a hybrid or electric car? A cost/benefit analysis
The U.S. Department of Energy's Alternative Fuels Data Center
has an interesting tool on its website for comparing the costs of fuel and
ownership of nearly every motor vehicle sold in the U.S.
I compared my neighbor's Leaf to seven other popular 2012 gas-powered models,
including the hybrid Toyota Prius, given current local electricity prices and
figuring the average current price of gas at $4.75 a gallon.
<snip>


VEHICLE COST CALCULATOR

[ATTACH]41071[/ATTACH]

This tool uses basic information about your driving habits to calculate total cost of ownership
and emissions for makes and models of most vehicles, including alternative fuel
and advanced technology vehicles.
<snip>
BigV • Oct 5, 2012 9:42 pm
Lamplighter;833197 wrote:
This little article interested me because we're probably going to get a new car in the next year.
That will set off our family tradition of hand-me-down cars to various family members.
--snip


hand me downs like this?


In 2009, Lewis and Rotjan surveyed the entire hermit crab population on Carrie Bow Cay. Many crabs were living in shells that were a tight fit or had one too many holes. As they grow, hermit crabs must move into larger shells, so they are always on the lookout for a more spacious dwelling. And an undamaged shell is preferable to a broken one, even if the shells are the same size. Knowing this, the researchers decided to dramatically change the available hermit crab real estate on Carrie Bow Cay. They placed 20 beautifully intact shells that were a little too big for most hermit crabs at various spots around the island and watched what happened.

When a lone crab encountered one of the beautiful new shells, it immediately inspected the shelter with its legs and antennae and scooted out of its current home to try on the new shelter for size. If the new shell was a good fit, the crab claimed it. Classic hermit crab behavior. But if the new shell was too big, the crab did not scuttle away disappointed&#8212;instead, it stood by its discovery for anywhere between 15 minutes and 8 hours, waiting. This was unusual. Eventually other crabs showed up, each one trying on the shell. If the shell was also too big for the newcomers, they hung around too, sometimes forming groups as large as 20. The crabs did not gather in a random arrangement, however. Rather, they clamped onto one another in a conga line stretching from the largest to smallest animal&#8212;a behavior the biologists dubbed "piggybacking."

Only one thing could break up the chain of crabs: a Goldilocks hermit crab for whom the shell introduced by Lewis and Rotjan was just right. As soon as such a crab claimed its new home, all the crabs in queue swiftly exchanged shells in sequence. The largest crab at the front of the line seized the Goldilocks crab's abandoned shell. The second largest crab stole into the first's old shell. And so on.


[YOUTUBEWIDE]kcfDzvm3150[/YOUTUBEWIDE]
Lamplighter • Oct 5, 2012 10:20 pm
V, that's really interesting... and it is like our family

One of my G-sons is driving a Subaru (>120k miles) that started with my wife, and over to our daughter.
Another G-son and a G-daughter are driving cars that started family life with their mom and her S.O.

But it wasn't a matter of size, but of opportunity and need.
BigV • Oct 5, 2012 11:30 pm
It's about Goldilocks, "just right", not only about size. :-)
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 12, 2012 3:55 am
The vehicle cost calculater make too many assumptions that are out of whack.
Happy Monkey • Oct 17, 2012 11:49 am
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Gravdigr • Oct 17, 2012 5:17 pm
How I view that chart:

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Happy Monkey • Oct 17, 2012 5:25 pm
Climate change skeptics sometimes say that temperatures are actually decreasing. They do this by picking a small span of years where there was a downward trend, while ignoring the long term upward trend. When there's a new record high, they start saying that temperatures are actually decreasing since that new date.
Undertoad • Oct 17, 2012 8:05 pm
I saw that post and I am bothered by it. What are all his data points?

Here's the graph at Wikipedia's global warming page, which is similar but more understandable:

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Annual mean, that seems like a sensible way to go, since that's all four seasons. Dude's got like twenty data points every 5 years, what is that data?

So... why did he start his graph in 1973? When you look at the annual mean on Wikipedia's graph, 1973 is the end of a three-decade period of no warming, and the beginning of three decades of great warming.

He has cropped the data to fit his narrative, doing exactly what he's accusing the skeptics of doing but on like a century scale rather than a decade scale.

Am I wrong? Tell me where. And how far out should the graph go before we understand what's happening?
Happy Monkey • Oct 17, 2012 9:06 pm
Undertoad;834723 wrote:
I saw that post and I am bothered by it. What are all his data points?
Here's the source.
So... why did he start his graph in 1973? When you look at the annual mean on Wikipedia's graph, 1973 is the end of a three-decade period of no warming, and the beginning of three decades of great warming.

He has cropped the data to fit his narrative, doing exactly what he's accusing the skeptics of doing but on like a century scale rather than a decade scale.

Am I wrong? Tell me where.
I don't see any starting point on Wikipedia's graph that whould have changed the narrative much, should they have cropped it differently. A line would still go up. Maybe a curve would fit better if they'd started it in 1940, but the curve would still go up.

I searched for "global warming 1973" on Google, and one skeptic also picked 1973 to do his analysis. His reasoning was:
Roy Spencer wrote:
I will restrict the analysis to 1973 and later since (1) this is the primary period of warming allegedly due to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions; (2) the period having the largest number of monitoring sites has been since 1973; and (3) a relatively short 37-year record maximizes the number of continuously operating stations, avoiding the need to handle transitions as older stations stop operating and newer ones are added.
Perhaps similar reasons were chosen for the 1973 cutoff on the original graph as well.
And how far out should the graph go before we understand what's happening?
As far as possible, I suppose, depending on the type of data being included.
Undertoad • Oct 17, 2012 9:37 pm
A line would still go up, just wouldn't look so pretty and convincing.

I like this 1973 notion because, maybe that's it; there has been warming on a geological scale -- since glaciers covered NY State in 20,000 B.C. -- and man-made causes may have accelerated it post 1973.

It has always bothered me that the warming on some graphs goes back to 1830. Mankind wasn't doing anything much at that point. There were only 1B people on the earth, as opposed to the 7B today, and those 1B were still mostly digging in the dirt.
Spexxvet • Oct 18, 2012 9:01 am
Undertoad;834731 wrote:

It has always bothered me that the warming on some graphs goes back to 1830. Mankind wasn't doing anything much at that point. There were only 1B people on the earth, as opposed to the 7B today, and those 1B were still mostly digging in the dirt.


Something to do with the industrial revolution, maybe?
Undertoad • Oct 18, 2012 10:25 am
I don't believe that man's contribution began when the only way to get carbon out of the ground was having child labor drag it out from filthy mines. It was a revolution to have trains cross a few countries and to power ships by steam, but to have enough activity to change the environment of the entire planet surely took longer.
Gravdigr • Oct 18, 2012 4:25 pm
I was awed by the sheer number of data points.
BigV • Oct 18, 2012 4:49 pm
I think you are pretty awed already, but I don't want to make a point of it.
Happy Monkey • Oct 23, 2012 1:09 pm
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glatt • Oct 23, 2012 2:26 pm
"but I admit I only know this one from Risk"

:lol:
Happy Monkey • Oct 29, 2012 10:59 am
Click to go through, and click again to embiggen.
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glatt • Nov 9, 2012 9:29 am
I always like the maps after an election. Here's an excellent site that takes us through the breakdown of the vote and how the country really looks.

The most accurate map is this one:
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It doesn't look much like the US because it's broken down by county, and each county is sized to reflect the actual population. Then it's colored to reflect the vote of the county. Most counties are purple because they are split. Some are really red, because they are mostly Republican, and some are really blue, because they are mostly Democrat.

Clearly, we should look at this and realize that we are not the divided country as shown in the state electoral college map.
footfootfoot • Nov 9, 2012 1:44 pm
Happy Monkey;836225 wrote:
Click to go through, and click again to embiggen.
Image


Ummm, XKCD dude.
Happy Monkey • Nov 9, 2012 3:41 pm
footfootfoot;838282 wrote:
Ummm, XKCD dude.
D'oh!

Here's the full link.
Undertoad • Nov 27, 2012 12:59 pm
Image

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from
glatt • Nov 27, 2012 1:35 pm
it looks like there is no correlation between single moms and violent crime.

Why don't they do a plot of the number of houses with geraniums in window boxes vs. violent crime? That might be more telling.
Happy Monkey • Nov 27, 2012 1:42 pm
Take that, Dan Quayle! </MurphyBrown>
Lamplighter • Nov 27, 2012 2:15 pm
From Wikipedia
<snip>Despite being the headquarters of multiple federal law enforcement agencies
such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA),
the nationwide crack epidemic of the 1980s and 1990s greatly affected the city
and led to massive increases in crime.[1]

The number of homicides in Washington peaked in 1991 at 479,[2]
and the city eventually became known as the "murder capital" of the United States.[3]

The crime rate started to fall in the mid 1990s as the crack epidemic gave way
to economic revitalization projects. Gentrification efforts have also started to transform
the demographics of distressed neighborhoods, recently leading to the first rise
in the District's population in 60 years.[4]<snip>
glatt • Nov 27, 2012 2:36 pm
I was watching Adventures in Babysitting over the long holiday weekend. I remembered it fondly and wanted my kids to see it. It's still a fun movie, but there's more swearing than I remembered. And Playboys.

Anyway, a major plot point of the movie was that they were going into the scary "city" at night. And they encountered all sorts of scary people there. I thought it was laughable, because I remember being afraid of the scary city when I was a teenager, but I'm not afraid of the city now. I mean, I brought my kids to a downtown club a month or two ago to catch a fun band. I kind of forgot that there was good reason to be afraid of "the city" back when Adventures in Babysitting came out. There was a tremendous amount of violent crime back then. It still exists in pockets today, but nothing like back then.
infinite monkey • Nov 27, 2012 2:38 pm
I was just thinking about that movie the other day and wondered if my nieces would like it. I always liked it a lot.

"No one gets out without singin' the blues."
glatt • Nov 27, 2012 2:52 pm
Did you see Date Night with Steve Carell and Tina Fey? It's basically the exact same movie. I didn't realize it until this weekend when I saw Adventures again.

Adventures is still good. But it has some swearing and teenage boys talking about sex. One of the running gags is that Elizabeth Shue is a dead ringer for that month's Playboy Playmate. I think kids today have never heard of Playboy. Magazines are so 1980s. So you might be explaining what that fold out page is.
classicman • Nov 27, 2012 4:46 pm
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footfootfoot • Nov 27, 2012 5:14 pm
glatt;840658 wrote:
There was a tremendous amount of violent crime back then. It still exists in pockets today, but nothing like back then.


Is that a violent crime in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

Try the buffet; it's a one-liner.
Lamplighter • Feb 4, 2013 8:10 pm
There are somewhere around 200-, 250-, and 300-million guns in the US, depending on who/what you read.

Here's a pic graph of the distribution of guns in the US, by State.

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But sometimes it's hard to get a visual image of large numbers, like how many is 250 million ?

It turns out there are about 250,000,000 automobiles currently registered in the US.
So for every car you see, there's a gun out there.
infinite monkey • Feb 6, 2013 9:10 am
On that chart, is Louisiana the only one with over 20 deaths/100 grand people? Maybe Nevada too but it's hard to tell with the lines.

Louisiana is SCARY. Geez Louise, you're the shootinest tootinest state East of the Pecos. :D
henry quirk • Feb 6, 2013 10:36 am
HA!

Yeah, we're all packin' down here.

For example: lil old ladies (to keep from gettin' mutilated) got holdouts tucked into dainty handbags (along with used tissues, heart medications, and pocket rockets).
infinite monkey • Feb 6, 2013 10:38 am
:lol:

What in Sam Hill is a pocket rocket?

They also have those foldy uppy little plastic rain hats, that are about the size of a matchbook 'til you unfold them. Magic!
henry quirk • Feb 6, 2013 10:45 am
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pocket%20rocket

#1 and #4


Foldy rain bonnets: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Spexxvet • Feb 6, 2013 10:49 am
infinite monkey;851610 wrote:

Louisiana is SCARY. Geez Louise, you're the shootinest tootinest state East of the Pecos. :D

I read "tootinest" as "toothless", which is also appropriate.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_ora_hea_los_of_nat_tee-health-oral-loss-natural-teeth
henry quirk • Feb 6, 2013 2:59 pm
Teeth? We don' need no stinkin' teeth!

Here, in Looseeanna: we're all fat, stupid, drunk, and toothless.









The truth is: the above is not terribly off the mark.

In my work, I get about (far and wide)...really: there are a god-awful number of fat, stupid, drunk, and toothless folks in this state (not so much in the north, but, in the south: overflowing).

Me: scrawny, sober, and toothed (stupid: debatable).
footfootfoot • Feb 6, 2013 3:36 pm
a flow chart actually. higher res version:
http://topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/What-Should-I-Drink-Beer.jpg
glatt • Feb 6, 2013 4:20 pm
That's actually pretty good. My only complaint is that they don't have my beer.
DanaC • Feb 6, 2013 5:19 pm
'Do you have access to the Stargate?' *snort*
Lamplighter • Feb 6, 2013 5:52 pm
glatt;851667 wrote:
That's actually pretty good. My only complaint is that they don't have my beer.


Me too. Moose Drool is my regular fare
ZenGum • Feb 6, 2013 7:20 pm
Fosters???!!!

Pfffft. Would not lower myself to wash my feet in it.
ZenGum • Feb 6, 2013 7:28 pm
Have we had this yet?

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footfootfoot • Feb 6, 2013 7:53 pm
ZenGum;851698 wrote:
Fosters???!!!

Pfffft. Would not lower myself to wash my feet in it.


Australian Budweiser for when you're trying to seem worldly :eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 7, 2013 1:27 am
For a bigger kick from your mixed drink, use diet soda.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 7, 2013 10:36 pm
The Amazing and Incredible

Statistical Atlases

of the

United States of America

compiled in the final decades of

The Nineteenth Century

This site has a shitload of charts and graphs of information gleaned from census data, from 1790 through 1890.

Where they were from, what they did for a living, how much they made, how many kids, and dozens of other measures. How many Irish in New York, how many single vs married in Austin, how many negro vs white in Mississippi.
Undertoad • Feb 9, 2013 2:10 pm
Image

from here
glatt • Feb 9, 2013 2:17 pm
That graph pisses me off
Griff • Feb 9, 2013 5:02 pm
Yep, me too. Things are broke.
orthodoc • Feb 9, 2013 5:43 pm
The cost of a degree is crazy. We had more than $100K into my daughter's degree before she quit. It's looking like, even though her grades are respectable, she just isn't into university-level education. Wish she'd been honest at the start, or sooner at least. (No, we didn't push for university over a trade school.) She wanted to do what two of her older brothers did and had blinkers on.

Dare I say it? Maybe university should go back to being the province of those destined for academic careers, and community colleges/trade schools should provide the majority of people with a marketable skill.

I don't know. I'm all in favor of as much education as everyone is willing to absorb, but college has degenerated into frat parties and football. So while that's education of a sort, I suppose, it's not university education anyway. What about college sports? Well, what about them? They certainly aren't academics. As far as I'm concerned they have no place at university beyond intramurals or very local, amateur leagues. :bolt:
JBKlyde • Feb 10, 2013 5:33 pm
you have to go low end these days and go-to teck schools...
Gravdigr • Feb 10, 2013 6:10 pm
Or just regular school...then you'll be able to spell.
JBKlyde • Feb 10, 2013 6:15 pm
or medical school so you can treat yourself and not have a bunch of mad scientists stareing over you for the rest of your life....
Clodfobble • Feb 10, 2013 6:56 pm
JBK, I've been reading a book about parents relating to their children who are dramatically different from them in some way, and I recently finished the chapter on schizophrenia. It was pretty interesting, and helped me understand your art and poems a little more, I think.

One of the more telling parts of the chapter was the number of people who discovered that they had schizophrenia when they took LSD and nothing changed, and only then did they realize that not everyone's brain was like that every moment of every day.
footfootfoot • Feb 10, 2013 9:50 pm
That would scare the crap out of me.

Oh, and that graph? I hate its disingenuousness. disingenuous-ness? The relationship between the length of the line (years) is on a different scale from the height (dollars). Although there are 10 years and 10 ten thousand dollar increments, the ratios are different. The way the graph is drawn makes the cost increase seem more dramatic than it is.

And it takes one cost and doesn't compare it to other economic factors, like inflation. It's meaningless.

College education these days is pretty piss poor and that could be a whole 'nother thread. I taught a college for "dumb poor kids" and a friend of mine taught at a college for "dumb rich kids."

My wife taught for years at Fordham, a fairly respectable school, and she'd tell me about her students who would say they missed class because they had the 'flew.'

The graph should look more like this:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 10, 2013 10:01 pm
It's like we both know the stop sign is red, but I've no idea what you're seeing. I don't know what's going on in your head either, how you process input, or form your thoughts.

Of course what goes on in my head is normal, the standard...



just like everyone else. ;)
ZenGum • Feb 10, 2013 10:12 pm
footfootfoot;852228 wrote:

Oh, and that graph? I hate its disingenuousness. disingenuous-ness? The relationship between the length of the line (years) is on a different scale from the height (dollars). Although there are 10 years and 10 ten thousand dollar increments, the ratios are different. The way the graph is drawn makes the cost increase seem more dramatic than it is.

And it takes one cost and doesn't compare it to other economic factors, like inflation. It's meaningless.


The vertical axis is not in $10,000 increments, it's in percentage change from the 2000 figure.

And I think the comparison is very meaningful. The reason for paying that tuition is the return in salary. Tuition is going up - faster than CPI - and salary for graduates is falling. Soon, if not already, it will be a financial mistake to go to college (for *many* degrees, says the philosophy gradaute, coughing nervously... engineering and medicine are probably still worthwhile).
footfootfoot • Feb 10, 2013 10:31 pm
ZenGum;852239 wrote:
The vertical axis is not in $10,000 increments, it's in percentage change from the 2000 figure.

And I think the comparison is very meaningful. The reason for paying that tuition is the return in salary. Tuition is going up - faster than CPI - and salary for graduates is falling. Soon, if not already, it will be a financial mistake to go to college (for *many* degrees, says the philosophy gradaute, coughing nervously... engineering and medicine are probably still worthwhile).


Oops. Never mind. In that case, it does make sense. I need to follow links and read.
I agree with you about it being a financial mistake to go to college with the idea that college will somehow increase your earning potential. (With the exception of subjects like engineering and medicine and so forth.) As for liberal arts, *cough*fine arts*cough*, and what's that thinking cure called? Philosomething? College should be regarded as the very expensive 4 year vacation that it is.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 10, 2013 10:38 pm
At big companies I've seen a ton of jobs that require a degree, but they don't care what in, or where from, because they're going to tell you what to do, and exactly how they want it done.
Spexxvet • Feb 11, 2013 9:42 am
Undertoad;852001 wrote:
Image

from here


A -That's a sharky looking graph

II - While a bachelor's degree might not pay for itself, it's the ticket in the door for many jobs. Even if a social worker makes the same as a garbage collector, I think I'd rather get the degree and be a social worker.

3 - If there is a trend to forgo college, the drop in enrollment should cause a reduction in tuition.
glatt • Feb 11, 2013 9:49 am
xoxoxoBruce;852246 wrote:
At big companies I've seen a ton of jobs that require a degree, but they don't care what in, or where from, because they're going to tell you what to do, and exactly how they want it done.

That's what we do. It's crazy, but you have to do something to weed out the absolute slackers from people who put in a minimum amount of effort in life.
ZenGum • Feb 11, 2013 7:40 pm
To be fair, I benefited a lot from my ejumacation. E.g. I recognised Footsie's little error back there in a moment.

And for employers, a degree is evidence that a person can jump through specified hoops and produce documents of the length, style and topic required, more or less on time, and can stick at a project for three or four years. That says something.
orthodoc • Feb 11, 2013 8:22 pm
Yes. Sigh. May I forward your post to my daughter?
Griff • Feb 11, 2013 9:03 pm
Spexxvet;852305 wrote:
A -That's a sharky looking graph

II - While a bachelor's degree might not pay for itself, it's the ticket in the door for many jobs. Even if a social worker makes the same as a garbage collector, I think I'd rather get the degree and be a social worker.

3 - If there is a trend to forgo college, the drop in enrollment should cause a reduction in tuition.


A - perceptive
II - think I'd rather pick up the trash
3 - should, with a sh rather not a w
ZenGum • Feb 11, 2013 9:04 pm
Forward this.


Yo, gurl, your folks have dropped a hundred large on your college fees. You've spent YEARS so far. You're so near finished, that to not finish now, is the equivalent of getting "loser" tattooed on your forehead. Except the tattoo would cost about $100 and take an hour.
Finish it, or Imma come over there and slap you up the back of the head some.
orthodoc • Feb 11, 2013 9:20 pm
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I keep agonizing over this, which is stupid. There's nothing I can do about it.

I can only buckle down to my own grad courses and take care of what's on my plate. But it makes me ill that she's throwing away the chance to get a degree and have a skill (her degree would let her work in different aspects of the equine industry), be able to support herself and never be dependent, and start out with no debt. I would have given anything to have had that kind of support when I was in university.
footfootfoot • Feb 11, 2013 10:25 pm
ZenGum;852458 wrote:
Forward this.


Yo, gurl, your folks have dropped a hundred large on your college fees. You've spent YEARS so far. You're so near finished, that to not finish now, is the equivalent of getting "loser" tattooed on your forehead. Except the tattoo would cost about $100 and take an hour.
Finish it, or Imma come over there and slap you up the back of the head some.


And I'll hold his coat.
footfootfoot • Feb 11, 2013 10:30 pm
ZenGum;852458 wrote:
Forward this.


orthodoc;852462 wrote:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I keep agonizing over this, which is stupid. There's nothing I can do about it.

I can only buckle down to my own grad courses and take care of what's on my plate. But it makes me ill that she's throwing away the chance to get a degree and have a skill (her degree would let her work in different aspects of the equine industry), be able to support herself and never be dependent, and start out with no debt. I would have given anything to have had that kind of support when I was in university.


No, you can tell her since she's all into re-negotiating (i.e. dropping out) that you'er going to renegotiate as well and give her a bill for the 100 large. You can even make an excel spread sheet showing her that it will take 9 million years working at WalMart to pay you back. Then you can indenture her.
footfootfoot • Feb 11, 2013 10:31 pm
The first three are cautionary photos of what happens to girls who don't finish school. The last one is how spoiled she is acting.
orthodoc • Feb 11, 2013 11:42 pm
The pics are perfect. Perfect. I have somehow raised a Ukrainian princess. Somewhere along the way, as I was trying to keep things together despite all of our family problems, I failed to notice that she was gaining a sense of entitlement rather than a work ethic.

She flies in this weekend for a discussion with her father and me. It will not be a happy time.
Pete Zicato • Feb 12, 2013 9:52 am
orthodoc;852462 wrote:

I keep agonizing over this, which is stupid. There's nothing I can do about it.

This is patently untrue. You can advise. This is where you go when your kids are too old to order.

How would you talk to her if she were a friend from one of your classes? You would explain to her in detail all the negative repercussions of her decision - all the while validating that it is her decision to make. But at least you can make it clear what she is getting into.

But you are right to the extent that you can't at this point in her life make her make the decision as you would.
Lamplighter • Feb 12, 2013 10:10 am
Pete Zicato;852508 wrote:
This is patently untrue. You can advise. This is where you go when your kids are too old to order.<snip>


Amen...

It takes great patience, but maintain your connection,
and support whatever positive aspects of her decisions you can.

Over the years you planted many seeds, it just takes a while for them to sprout and flourish.
orthodoc • Feb 12, 2013 11:06 am
Yes, thank you. I hope to have the chance to advise. What I mean about there being nothing I can do is that she presented us with a fait accompli, so the decision to drop out is not up for discussion. She didn't register for the spring semester last October and let the final deadlines go by before telling us in late January. (She lied to us all through winter break, telling us about the courses she was taking in the spring, how she would be on the judging team, etc.) She can always apply to return to her studies in future; however, with what she has said so far I think the chances are remote. The longer she's out of school the harder it will be to return.

I do want to keep connected, although in spite of saying how much she loves me, she has mostly dropped communication. She isn't interested in hearing anything she doesn't want to hear.

I will let her know that I am always here for her and if she ever needs a safe place, she can come here no questions asked. I see many red flags with the current bf and I believe he will quickly become abusive. I can only hope that she'll be open to listening to some advice and thoughts.
footfootfoot • Feb 12, 2013 3:00 pm
deprogramming?

I'm grasping at straws here.
orthodoc • Feb 12, 2013 3:12 pm
Me too. And losing lots of sleep.
orthodoc • Feb 13, 2013 1:25 pm
She called last night, very excited, to say she landed a job selling whole-house air filters evenings and weekends. She says there's a base salary that will cover her rent and utilities, plus bonuses. Training is today through Friday so - she isn't flying home this weekend. She thinks perhaps in May. So much for the Excel chart.

She sounded excited enough that I think the job is real. Do companies pay salaries of $26,000 plus bonuses at entry-level for selling air filters at pre-booked appointments on evenings and weekends? Is this plausible?
footfootfoot • Feb 13, 2013 1:49 pm
parts of it sound plausible. In bold


say she landed [there is] a job selling whole-house air filters evenings and weekends. She says there's a base salary that will cover her rent and utilities, plus bonuses. Training is today through Friday so - she isn't flying home this weekend. She thinks perhaps in May. So much for the Excel chart.

She sounded excited enough that I [want to]think the job is real. Do companies pay [base] salaries of $26,000 plus bonuses at entry-level for selling air filters at pre-booked appointments on evenings and weekends? Is this plausible?


/buzzkill
glatt • Feb 13, 2013 1:53 pm
Whatever you do, don't buy a whole house air filter. Who needs that? You probably already have a filter as part of your HVAC system. In fact, it's probably dirty and in need of changing. I know ours is.
orthodoc • Feb 13, 2013 2:57 pm
Yeahhh ... I know.
Gravdigr • Feb 19, 2013 2:21 pm
Hmmm...

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[Size=1]AmmoLand says these are both United Nations maps.[/Size]
ZenGum • Feb 19, 2013 6:03 pm
The data may well be from the UN, but how they choose to group the data is up to them.

Especially, not the murder rates in the second graph. The first category is 0 to 5 per 100,000. This puts the entire OECD in one category, lime green. So (numbers from memory here) Australia's 1.2 per 100,000 and the US's 4.8 per 100,000 are made to look the same, when one is four times as much as the other.

So ... half truth. Homicide rates are a result of *many* factors - economic factors, social cohesion, effectiveness of police, cultural practices, medical facilities AND availability of means to kill. Focus on the OECD only, rejig the colour scale to give better resolution at the OECD end of the data, and you'd find the US not quite so rosy after all.
Griff • Mar 10, 2013 12:19 pm
Just in case we have a false vision of ourselves.
ZenGum • Mar 10, 2013 7:45 pm
Holy shit.

I'd like to see a timeline of that, showing which war, when.

Also, there is *opportunity* for statistical shennanigans. The Korean war only ever saw a truce / ceasefire, not a peace treaty, so technically, that war is still ongoing. It'd be BS to count it, though.
Griff • Mar 10, 2013 8:40 pm
Indian wars and banana wars fill in a lot of "blank" years. The Quasi War was with the French Republic. The Sabine Expedition was against Mexico.

For timeline look at-
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/we-re-at-war-and-we-have-been-since-1776/
Undertoad • Mar 10, 2013 9:16 pm
It's some bullshit definition of "war", including 6 years of Vietnam before any troops were actually sent there.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2013 9:22 pm
War on drugs, war on drunk driving, war on poverty, war on crabgrass. :rolleyes:
Griff • Mar 10, 2013 9:22 pm
We had military advisers there from 1950 on, but that is a stretch.
ZenGum • Mar 10, 2013 9:30 pm
Ah, I suspected as much. Enter debate on what counts as "war". I remember three blokes from Texas declared the state independent, and then a few weeks later announced a permanent ceasefire in the "international struggle for the nation of Texas". :right: Does that count?

Still, if you go through and remove all the dubious cases, there's still an awful lot of war there.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2013 9:30 pm
Yeah, that was aid to the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys. ;)
Gravdigr • Mar 24, 2013 5:26 pm
ZenGum;853630 wrote:
...you'd find the US not quite so rosy after all.


Naaaahh...We're rosy as fuck.

:p:

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Gravdigr • Mar 24, 2013 5:28 pm
ZenGum;853630 wrote:
...you'd find the US not quite so rosy after all.


Naaaahh...We're rosy as fuck.

:p:

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from 38 Maps You Never Knew You Needed (at BuzzFeed)

The U.S. map, redrawn (and renamed) for equal population distribution:

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All these areas would have the same number of people.
Lamplighter • Mar 24, 2013 6:00 pm
Judging by what used to be called the Pacific Northwest,
that map is also the equal distribution of "medical" marijuana.

(Map # 19 is the nighttime glow of all the tokes).
Pete Zicato • Apr 30, 2013 11:47 am
Languages of the united states:

http://www.muturzikin.com/cartesusa/usa.htm
Lamplighter • Apr 30, 2013 1:18 pm
But they totally missed San Fernando Valley and the rad beaches of Kalifornia...

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Pete Zicato • May 5, 2013 3:33 pm
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Sperlock • May 6, 2013 11:53 pm
Lamplighter;863284 wrote:
But they totally missed San Fernando Valley and the rad beaches of Kalifornia...

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And let's not forget Jive...

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Griff • May 7, 2013 9:34 pm
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ZenGum • May 7, 2013 9:39 pm
Shouldn't that be the Pew! Pew! Pew! research center?
Ocean's Edge • May 8, 2013 8:10 am
too big to post as an image ... but fascinating map of dialects in North America

http://aschmann.net/AmEng/#SmallMapCanada
Lamplighter • May 8, 2013 9:09 am
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footfootfoot • May 8, 2013 9:51 am
It's like having a separate letter for every variation of pronunciation. I have a headache.
Ocean's Edge • May 9, 2013 11:12 pm
http://deadspin.com/infographic-is-your-states-highest-paid-employee-a-co-489635228

Image
Lamplighter • May 10, 2013 5:04 pm
Now, with the US stock market topping 15,000, we've set enough records for this week.

National Geographic News
Robert Kunzig
May 9, 2013
Climate Milestone: Earth&#8217;s CO2 Level Passes 400 ppm
Greenhouse gas highest since the Pliocene,
when sea levels were higher and the Earth was warmer.

An instrument near the summit of Mauna Loa in Hawaii has
recorded a long-awaited climate milestone: the amount of carbon dioxide
in the atmosphere there has exceeded 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time
in 55 years of measurement&#8212;and probably more than 3 million years of Earth history.

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The fracking natural-gas industry is advertising LNG (methane) as the "cleanest burning fuel"
It burns to almost pure CO2, so:

[COLOR="DarkRed"] SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL CLIMATE WARMER[/COLOR]
Griff • May 25, 2013 10:33 am
Explanation for X axis?
footfootfoot • May 25, 2013 11:19 am
The explanation: the labor force participation rate fell to 63.3 percent, its lowest level since 1979.
The chart shows the decline.

Labor force participation is how many folks are in the game vs how many are in the stands. Unemployment is how many are sitting on the bench either because they suck or they are injured.
Griff • May 25, 2013 11:37 am
I'm more wondering why each data point is 1 year and 1 month ahead.
footfootfoot • May 25, 2013 11:53 am
Ahh yes, you did say X axis. I can't help with that.
Happy Monkey • May 25, 2013 12:06 pm
Automatic spacing by Excel, perhaps?
Griff • May 25, 2013 12:34 pm
Ah, thanks HM. I think you're on to it.
ZenGum • May 26, 2013 10:46 pm
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glatt • May 30, 2013 9:47 am
Saw this over on FB. I thought it was an interesting thing to graph.
Doesn't this mostly just show that nobody has any money to spend right now? (And houses still cost a lot.)
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xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2013 12:48 pm
How can a house cost 8 times disposable income, when there's no disposable income?
2 X 0 = 0
8 X 0 = 0
footfootfoot • May 30, 2013 1:44 pm
xoxoxoBruce;866521 wrote:
How can a house cost 8 times disposable income, when there's no disposable income?
2 X 0 = 0
8 X 0 = 0


I think empty cardboard boxes are still free, so that would fit with your equation.
ZenGum • May 30, 2013 7:39 pm
I've been following a debate for years, about whether Australian houses are over-valued. New house price to median income ratios often come up, but we need to be clear whether this is median individual income or median household income.

With the rise in two-income families, house prices were able to rise much faster than individual incomes. *Most* of this second income has gone to servicing the mortgage payments.

In other words, some say, generation X was forced to send the missus out to work to pay the enormous mortgage to cover the cost of the inflated house prices that are funding the retirement of the baby boomers, at the expense of the personal and social health of all involved.
glatt • May 30, 2013 8:07 pm
I was just looking at individual 1940 census information for my neighborhood to learn a little about the local history, and the thing that jumped out at me was that housing values were about double the annual income at the time. My grandfather's 1940 census showed he made in a year what his house was worth. That amazed me. I would LOVE to make in a year what our house is worth. He had his own business and was wealthier than his neighbors, but still.
Lamplighter • May 30, 2013 10:37 pm
glatt;866567 wrote:
<snip>
He had his own business and was wealthier than his neighbors, but still.


As I remember it since 1960...
In your g-fathers day, he dealt directly with the bank that loaned
the money and held the mortage.

The WWII vets had a major impact on the US, and in many ways.
One way was the creation of the FHA (Federal Housing Authority).
which became the way people had prospective houses inspected,
evaluated, and if it qualified, mortaged (at rates up to 3%)

The Buyer's income was evaluated, and at first only the man's salary was considered.
The rationale was that the woman might get pregnant and so any income she earned would end.

As the 60's and the women's movement came along, the change
was made to include the woman's income was included. Of course,
this made it possible for couples to get into a higher priced house, and the $ inflation started.

By the late 60's the mortage rates were going up too.
We bought our first house for $18k at the last of the 3% mortgages.
My annual income was just about 50% of that.
Clodfobble • May 30, 2013 11:38 pm
Our first house was about twice Mr. Clod's salary at the time, even though I was gainfully employed as well. We had been looking in a higher range at first, but someone gave us a financial book that advised to only ever buy a house based on one person's salary--not just in case of pregnancy, but also in case one or the other spouse got laid off. They had compelling mathematical examples of how quickly you could lose your house if you really went in for all you could possibly afford, and it changed our attitude a lot.
footfootfoot • May 31, 2013 12:39 am
Clodfobble;866584 wrote:
Our first house was about twice Mr. Clod's salary at the time, even though I was gainfully employed as well. We had been looking in a higher range at first, but someone gave us a financial book that advised to only ever buy a house based on one person's salary--not just in case of pregnancy, but also in case one or the other spouse got laid off. They had compelling mathematical examples of how quickly you could lose your house if you really went in for all you could possibly afford, and it changed our attitude a lot.


What was the name of that book?
Clodfobble • May 31, 2013 8:32 am
It was The Complete Financial Guide for Young Couples, by Larry Burkett. It's technically a Christian book (being given to us by my mother-in-law, it would have to be,) but all that really means is that about every 10 pages or so there's a Bible passage to point out, "And hey! Everything I'm saying is Biblical too!" It's pretty easy to tune out. The guy is a professional financial advisor and has written several books on it. We got one of his teen books for my stepdaughter to work through this summer.
BigV • May 31, 2013 9:40 am
Griff;866026 wrote:
I'm more wondering why each data point is 1 year and 1 month ahead.



the x-axis is on a twenty five month scale. if you have many hundreds of data points, a grouping of twenty-five is reasonable. it does feel weird because we don't usually group months in bundles like that, unlike many other things.
Spexxvet • May 31, 2013 10:28 am
footfootfoot;866539 wrote:
I think empty cardboard boxes are still free, so that would fit with your equation.


nope


12Hx12Wx12"L Single-Wall Cube Corrugated Boxes; Brown, 25 Boxes/Bundle
Length: 12"
Width: 12"
Depth: 12"


$1.36 Each
When you buy 500+
Griff • May 31, 2013 7:02 pm
Based on some nonsense my Dad was spewing, apparently the right wing talk show nuts are talking about Bush having low unemployment numbers. Its pretty easy to misrepresent this stuff to the brain-damaged, so I don't see the GOP recovering for a while.
Lamplighter • May 31, 2013 7:35 pm
The R's have started out with low numbers in your graph


... it's what they did with them that is of concern. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • May 31, 2013 9:08 pm
Unemployed? Here's a rifle get on the bus.

31 charts, many of which are surprisingly interesting.
footfootfoot • May 31, 2013 10:31 pm
Spexxvet;866632 wrote:
nope


Well, tiny homeless people are SOL, and used appliance boxes are getting harder to come by. I guess it's head to the bridges and fight it out with the trolls.
ZenGum • May 31, 2013 11:06 pm
xoxoxoBruce;866709 wrote:
Unemployed? Here's a rifle get on the bus.

31 charts, many of which are surprisingly interesting.


Hmm, lots of interesting things there, and some genuinely good things.


3. Slavery / serfdom is disappearing.


Only as a percentage of the global population. In absolute terms, there are more slaves now than ever before.

Some are pretty out of date - the one about woman homemakers not being stuck at home is from 1985. Update that one and we'll see if all that free time is being used for a second job.
ZenGum • Jun 15, 2013 10:06 pm
Griff;866699 wrote:
Based on some nonsense my Dad was spewing, apparently the right wing talk show nuts are talking about Bush having low unemployment numbers. Its pretty easy to misrepresent this stuff to the brain-damaged, so I don't see the GOP recovering for a while.


I'm pretty sure that is a profile shot of the Loch Ness Monster.
Happy Monkey • Jun 16, 2013 12:38 am
Bush's unemployment numbers were better than Obama's.

And better and better, the further back from Obama you go.

If you toss something off a cliff, you're its high point.
Griff • Jun 16, 2013 7:19 am
ZenGum;868117 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that is a profile shot of the Loch Ness Monster.


Nice!
BigV • Jun 21, 2013 12:28 pm
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Griff • Jun 26, 2013 9:26 am
Where the hateful tweets come from... In your head you have to correct for population density. Full clickable by slur map here.
glatt • Jun 26, 2013 9:28 am
What's up with the Finger Lakes?
Griff • Jun 26, 2013 9:33 am
They seem to hate blacks and gays. The tweets are spread to the county level. There is a ton of animosity between ultra-progressive Ithaca and the surrounding right-wing red neck population...
Griff • Jun 26, 2013 9:39 am
Turns out you can scroll in. It looks like Watkins Glen (struggling tourist trap) has a problem. Lewisburg, PA has some issues as well. Sayre, PA used to have quite a local KKK branch.
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2013 9:42 am
Redneckery goes north right through central PA and up into central NY, in my experience
Griff • Jun 26, 2013 9:46 am
The "N" word line would support that. Its been my experience as well.
Lamplighter • Jun 26, 2013 10:20 am
Sorry, but I don't buy it ...

For Oregon, the "red area" is focused on The Dalles,
a small city of 12K, in a county almost devoid of people.
But then if you scroll to Calif, there's almost no red or blue areas
over San Francisco, LA, or other cities.

Maybe there is 1 very busy Tweeter in Wasco County that
can't abide his gay neighbor's cow pooping on his lawn.
glatt • Jun 26, 2013 10:39 am
"The data behind this map is based on every geocoded tweet in the United States from June 2012 - April 2013 containing one of the 'hate words'. This equated to over 150,000 tweets and was drawn from the DOLLY project based at the University of Kentucky. Because algorithmic sentiment analysis would automatically classify any tweet containing 'hate words' as "negative," this project relied upon the HSU students to read the entirety of tweet and classify it as positive, neutral or negative based on a predefined rubric. Only those tweets that were identified by human readers as negative were used in this analysis.

To produce the map all tweets containing each 'hate word' were aggregated to the county level and normalized by the total twitter traffic in each county. Counties were reduced to their centroids and assigned a weight derived from this normalization process. This was used to generate a heat map that demonstrates the variability in the frequency of hateful tweets relative to all tweets over space. Where there is a larger proportion of negative tweets referencing a particular 'hate word' the region appears red on the map, where the proportion is moderate, the word was used less (although still more than the national average) and appears a pale blue on the map. Areas without shading indicate places that have a lower proportion of negative tweets relative to the national average.

The numbers that appear in the map during a mouse hover indicate the total number of hateful tweets and number of unique users sending them in each county."


Also when you mouse over a spot, you can see the number of tweets is actually pretty small. This image was for "Chink." Only 10 people in all of Virginia using that word, and it's one of the biggest hot spots in the US.
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Griff • Jun 26, 2013 12:21 pm
hmmm... I don't have that function. Looks like a mostly nonsense map in that context.
glatt • Jun 26, 2013 12:22 pm
it works intermittently for me.
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2013 1:05 pm
Maybe they were just quoting Sarah Silverman?

I got jury duty &#8230; and I didn't want to go, so my friend said, "You should write something really really racist on the form when you return it. Like, you should put 'I hate chinks'." And I said, "I'm not going to put that on there just to get out of jury duty. I don't want people to think that about me." So instead I wrote, "I love chinks." &#8230; And who doesn't?
Gravdigr • Jul 7, 2013 6:55 pm
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Lamplighter • Jul 7, 2013 8:27 pm
:D
Happy Monkey • Jul 8, 2013 12:19 pm
Related*:

Image

* Does not include Photoshop factor.
Undertoad • Jul 12, 2013 4:36 pm
Image
Griff • Jul 12, 2013 4:53 pm
I say we throw money at it.
footfootfoot • Jul 12, 2013 5:07 pm
[dripping with]
It's obviously working, the drug problem hasn't gotten worse.
[/sarcasm]

Even if that is total population and not percent of population, the numbers still suck.
ZenGum • Jul 12, 2013 8:38 pm
Well there is a very strong correlation between the green line doing whatever the hell it wants and the blue line staying exactly where it is. :right:

I'd like to see a graph of drug control spending Vs profitability of the pharmaceutical industry. Or drug control spending and the profitability of private prisons (and the companies like Victoria's Secret who use prisoners as forced cheap labour. [/predictable rant]
Spexxvet • Jul 13, 2013 8:57 am
footfootfoot;870114 wrote:
[dripping with]
It's obviously working, the drug problem hasn't gotten worse.
[/sarcasm]

Even if that is total population and not percent of population, the numbers still suck.


Beat me to it, and said much more eloquently than I would have.:thumb:
ZenGum • Jul 17, 2013 7:42 am
Bruce ... ... ye--e-es-s .... Bruce...

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Happy Monkey • Jul 17, 2013 12:48 pm
That's Bruce Wayne.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 17, 2013 1:09 pm
Interesting, the shape was defined before the TV and pop-culture phase of Batman.
glatt • Jul 22, 2013 1:41 pm
Huh. I remember always hearing that gas is at all time lows when you account for inflation. Seems that isn't true any more.

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Griff • Aug 4, 2013 9:30 pm
Hmmm...
Lamplighter • Aug 7, 2013 12:01 pm
Here is one silly graphic...

... and I dispute any idea that Spokane is a happier place
to live than any other place in Washington or Oregon.
It's more likely there is just one or two very happy guys in Spokane
with computers and nothing else to do than Tweet all day and night.

... and Boulder CO, maybe, but Ft Collins ???
... likewise, San Clemente and Simi Valley, CA ???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/02/happiest-states-_n_3696160.html
Huffinton Post
8/2/13

The Happiest States In America In One Map (INFOGRAPHIC)
glatt • Aug 16, 2013 7:06 pm
It's all about the fees. They kill you with them.
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Griff • Oct 11, 2013 3:25 pm
Gallup.
glatt • Oct 17, 2013 10:56 am
Lots of poor kids in the schools now.
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The article points out that this is a chart of the percent of kids who get a free or reduced price school lunch because they meet the federal income level for that.

The meals program run by the Department of Agriculture is a rough proxy for poverty, because a family of four could earn no more than $40,793 a year to qualify in 2011.
Griff • Oct 23, 2013 6:50 am
Global incidents of terror by year.
monster • Oct 23, 2013 4:43 pm
Shoulda put this here.

Most popular girls' names by state through the years
glatt • Oct 23, 2013 7:52 pm
It's amazing how parents get caught up in these name trends. But if you ask them, they will deny trends have anything to do with it.
Clodfobble • Oct 23, 2013 10:39 pm
My friend gave her daughter the number one girls' name. I tried to tell her she would regret it. I tried to tell her that, as the owner of THE number one name of the entire 1980s, I knew firsthand how much her daughter also would regret their choice. She wouldn't listen.
monster • Oct 23, 2013 10:45 pm
I did think about you when I saw it, Fob, and Shawfinite Monknee
busterb • Oct 25, 2013 12:20 pm
Charts and graphs. http://visual.ly/
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2013 5:58 pm
Lot of interesting stuff there, Buster.
Happy Monkey • Oct 28, 2013 4:02 pm
Interesting in its duplicity....
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1) The unlabeled vertical axis: How close are 108.6 and 101.7? The chart appears to separate them by a factor of 5.

2) The welfare recipient count includes all members of the household; the jobholder count only counts the jobholder.

3) There's a lot of overlap. Many jobs don't pay enough to keep you off of welfare, and some types of welfare in fact require you to have a job.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 28, 2013 9:02 pm
Duplicity is an understatement.

Fox's 108.6 million figure for the number of "people on welfare" comes from a Census Bureau's account (Table 2) of participation in means-tested programs, which include "anyone residing in a household in which one or more people received benefits" in the fourth quarter of 2011, thus including individuals who did not themselves receive government benefits.

On the other hand, the "people with a full time job" figure Fox used included only individuals who worked, not individuals residing in a household where at least one person works.


But they are right about one thing, there are too many people eligible for benefits. Congress should be working on getting those people to work, at a living wage, by poking the economy in the ass.
Pete Zicato • Nov 13, 2013 2:28 pm
Embarrassing really.

[SIZE="4"]Countries that do not use the metric system.[/SIZE]

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Happy Monkey • Dec 5, 2013 4:02 pm

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2013 5:11 pm
44 graphs explaining the most important 2013 financial news.
Lamplighter • Dec 14, 2013 12:08 pm
I think this is a neat graphical interface to show the reader
the "combinations and permutations" of the DNA code.

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From today's news of a "discovery of 2 genetic codes"


Forbes

Emily Willingham
12/13/13
Don't Be Duped By 'Duon' DNA Hype

and a supporting article:
Human DNA Is Not A Document, It's An App
Anthony Wing Kosner
12/13/13
Griff • Jan 8, 2014 8:24 pm
Believable. Please notice SA 'Mericas great ally.
Happy Monkey • Jan 8, 2014 8:36 pm
3 and 4 both are whole face and no hair showing. Is it the color?

(edit after reading link- yes.)

(edit after reading comments in link- maybe not. A "chador" is a cloak held shut with hands or teeth, apparently.)
Clodfobble • Jan 9, 2014 9:22 am
My understanding is also that the chador is long and shapeless, whereas the fitted white hijab only extends to the shoulders and she may be assumed to have somewhat normal clothing on otherwise.
Spexxvet • Jan 9, 2014 11:31 am
That's Plavalaguna on the left
BigV • Jan 9, 2014 12:08 pm
When Twil asks this question, my answers fall somewhere along this distribution:

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Molasar • Jan 13, 2014 3:58 pm
not sure if this belongs here or in one of the recipe threads ;)
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glatt • Feb 18, 2014 8:49 am
Winter sports

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Spexxvet • Feb 18, 2014 9:38 am
China's hoping for ice ping pong to become an event ;)
Spexxvet • Feb 18, 2014 9:43 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/
sexobon • Feb 22, 2014 6:05 am
Arrest rates for marijuana possession have been going down across the board since 2007. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting; but, stupid.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 26, 2014 1:04 pm
I saw a blurb on the news about Colorado and Washington needing more security firms to protect all the pot money. Maybe something for the mercenaries to do, other that security for despots. :litebulb:
Gravdigr • Feb 27, 2014 12:57 pm
Some of these are just ridiculous. Fallout Boy for KY, for example, or Wiz Khalifa for AR for crying out loud.:eyebrow:

from this YahooMusic article

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I've only heard of a handful of these, and heard even less.
glatt • Feb 27, 2014 1:15 pm
That's funny. The only real concert I ever saw in Maine was REM. We just didn't get many bands coming up there, but REM was one of them.
Undertoad • Feb 27, 2014 3:03 pm
California likes Bonobo! Time to move there.
orthodoc • Feb 27, 2014 5:42 pm
Edward Sharp and the Magnetic Zeros? Sounds like a Dave Barry band name.

And Matchbox Twenty. Really? I live in two states and these are the Distinctive Artists. I am not impressed. :eyebrow:
footfootfoot • Feb 27, 2014 6:03 pm
I like the song "home" by Edward sharp et al. Matchbox twenty is like twenty years ago
Undertoad • Feb 28, 2014 12:31 am
http://musicmachinery.com/2014/02/27/favorite-artists-vs-distinctive-artists-by-state/

That clears things up.
Griff • Feb 28, 2014 6:26 am
That's just terrible. It'd make me leave the States but its prolly worse elsewhere...
glatt • Feb 28, 2014 8:25 am
The good thing is I don't have to listen to what everyone else is listening to.

JayZ? I couldn't even tell you a single song by the guy. Is he a rapper?
footfootfoot • Feb 28, 2014 8:52 am
I think he's one of the guys who is famous for being famous.
Undertoad • Feb 28, 2014 9:14 am
Guys, he's a rapper and one of the best-selling artists of all time.

Has 17 Grammys, 3 albums in Rolling Stone's 500 greatest albums of all time list, is worth $500 million dollars and is married to Beyoncé, who is the top female singer in the world. (It's like if Billy Joel had married Madonna in 1988, and instead of children they made records.)

You will have heard "Empire State of Mind", featuring Alicia Keys singing the verse that starts out "In New Yorrrrrk..."

Also, notably, he is NOT Kanye West.
glatt • Feb 28, 2014 10:12 am
Get off my lawn.
glatt • Feb 28, 2014 10:16 am
Ok, so maybe I'm a bit out of touch.


I realized about a month ago that while I knew exactly who Justin Beiber is, I couldn't name a single song that he did either. My son often mocks him by singing "baby, baby, baby, oh" in a silly way, so I knew those lyrics, but really didn't know the song. I asked about it and the kids pulled up the video, and I can honestly say I had never heard it before.

I know Beyonce. And could hum a couple of her songs to you. She's fun.
footfootfoot • Feb 28, 2014 10:29 am
glatt;893554 wrote:
Get off my lawn.



:rotflol:
Glatt pulls out the dry humor for the win!
Spexxvet • Feb 28, 2014 11:29 am
Undertoad;893551 wrote:
Guys, he's a rapper and one of the best-selling artists of all time.

...


Doesn't he produce, too?
Gravdigr • Feb 28, 2014 12:08 pm
Undertoad;893536 wrote:
http://musicmachinery.com/2014/02/27/favorite-artists-vs-distinctive-artists-by-state/

That clears things up.


I call the smelliest kind of bullshit on all three of these maps.

I will personally guarantee that JayZ is NOT KY's favorite, or most popular, artist.

If he is, I'll move.
glatt • Feb 28, 2014 12:27 pm
I haven't been able to find much information on just where this data is coming from. Reading between the lines, it appears to come from music streaming services that have registration requirements.

I only saw one map with any kind of info and it said:
The data for the map is drawn from an aggregation of data across a wide range of music services powered by The Echo Nest and is based on the listening behavior of a quarter million online music listeners.
footfootfoot • Feb 28, 2014 1:27 pm
I wonder if this is related to that piece on NPR the other morning about the scientist who was trying to prove that luck and not talent leads to fame and popularity.
Griff • Feb 28, 2014 5:16 pm
footfootfoot;893550 wrote:
I think he's one of the guys who is famous for being famous.

He's Robinson Cano's agent and little else.

glatt;893554 wrote:
Get off my lawn.


zackly.

I'd like more info on the compilation as well. I'd guess he's widely played on bland pop and hip hop stations so his music would essentially be filler like the unimaginative dragons etc... I wouldn't know Alice Keyes from Bouncy if they were on my lawn. Didn't know there was a new version of New York State of mind... why bother?
Undertoad • Feb 28, 2014 9:20 pm
Wull I din't know anything about the gent until 2008 when I worked at that radio monitoring company. Because I din't listen to radio.

Still he did come up with an interesting style for Empire State where he rapped just behind the beat:

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Except the signature piano riff was taken from:

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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2014 11:37 pm
glatt;893588 wrote:
I haven't been able to find much information on just where this data is coming from. Reading between the lines, it appears to come from music streaming services that have registration requirements.

I only saw one map with any kind of info and it said:


The footnote for both favorite artist maps at UT's link said "most played artist". I guess that's radio air time, so probably Clear Channel manipulating the market... also why I gave up radio except for a very few stations where I only listen to half what they're playing.
Griff • Mar 1, 2014 8:46 am
Firstly, in all honesty, I am a douche when it comes to music. I heard a sample of the Keyes bit somewhere, but the song is essentially new to me. Initially I thought he was doing a funny send-up of self-absorbed rap artists but... I think I'm with Bruce the map is prolly an effect of Clearchannel corp.
Griff • Mar 1, 2014 9:23 am
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Spexxvet • Mar 1, 2014 10:15 am
And I bet a significant portion of that science budget is for military purposes. :right:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2014 6:13 pm
But then a shitload of science is financed through DARPA and I'm not sure where that money would show up... if at all.
Griff • Mar 2, 2014 8:41 am
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Undertoad • Mar 10, 2014 12:11 am
Labor force participation rate for teens. Where does the idea come from, that our young people are lazy and entitled? Get off my lawn -- and get to earning your way at fast food, like we did in the olden days!

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glatt • Mar 10, 2014 6:15 am
Remarkable. I can think of only two stores in Arlington that hire teens.
Griff • Mar 10, 2014 6:44 am
I would assume that under-employed adults take a lot of those low-skill jobs now. I see a lot of kids doing basically nothing (Insert pet video game rant here) and other kids are focused on school, sports, and what they perceive as resume builders. [strike]I'm not sure what I'd have done if I weren't driving tractors all Summer.[/strike] Please ignore the previous as that is now an illegal activity.
Clodfobble • Mar 10, 2014 7:39 am
Yeah, I think it's more because adults are taking those crappy jobs right now. Even in 1996-1998, when I was a teen working in food service, my best friend and I were the only teens working in either of the locations we worked in. The other employees were all adults, most with families. One or two were earning extra income at night while they got a late-life degree, but the majority knew they'd be working crap jobs like this for their whole lives, and wanted nothing more than to eventually get to be a manager.
glatt • Mar 10, 2014 8:15 am
It's a disturbing trend.

I want my kids to get jobs when they are in high school. Starting around junior year or so. But I'm not sure they will be able to. Having a crappy minimum wage job is an extremely important learning experience. Where else will they learn what it's like to have a boss who won't take shit from you? "I don't care if you want to go home now. Scrape that gum off the bottom of those chairs, or don't bother coming back."
orthodoc • Mar 12, 2014 1:01 am
I think the best possible job for teens is in agriculture. There's nothing like shoveling shit for months on end, starting daily at 0430, to take the entitled starch out of kids. In addition to shoveling the shit, they get to see the cycle of life from start to end, and how we depend on it. They get to decide if they want to support agribusiness or not; they get to decide what they think about a lot of important issues.

Whether it's beef, chickens, sheep, or horses, I say ship the kids to the country and let them experience where food/life comes from. They'll come back with a new perspective.
Undertoad • Mar 12, 2014 9:50 am
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Undertoad • Mar 12, 2014 9:56 am
oh, wait... there's a detail that makes this entire graph and/or chart much less interesting

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glatt • Mar 12, 2014 10:39 am
These charts are fascinating. I was about to post that teen one on facebook, but then thought better of it. If I want my kids to get jobs locally, the last thing I need is to raise a discussion with parents of other teens in my neighborhood about how teen jobs are worthwhile, but scarce. Don't need to fuel competition.
Undertoad • Mar 21, 2014 1:39 pm
Philadelphia and Toledo win the misery index for snowfall this season. (But shhh there's another storm on the way next week)

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glatt • Mar 21, 2014 2:29 pm
Interesting chart. I would have preferred to see the increase as a percentage instead of as a real number of inches.

The +36 inches in Caribou sounds like a lot more than the +15 inches in DC,
But Caribou was only 38% more than usual and DC was 98% more than usual.

Of course Philly is still misery center because it's like 216% more than usual.
footfootfoot • Mar 21, 2014 3:24 pm
orthodoc;894470 wrote:
I think the best possible job for teens is in agriculture. There's nothing like shoveling shit for months on end, starting daily at 0430, to take the entitled starch out of kids. In addition to shoveling the shit, they get to see the cycle of life from start to end, and how we depend on it. They get to decide if they want to support agribusiness or not; they get to decide what they think about a lot of important issues.

Whether it's beef, chickens, sheep, or horses, I say ship the kids to the country and let them experience where food/life comes from. They'll come back with a new perspective.


I'm not sure teens would make the best ag workers, we'd all starve in about two growing seasons.

:p:
Gravdigr • Mar 22, 2014 4:55 pm
Plus, how many of today's teenagers would willingly shovel shit?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2014 6:58 pm
I don't think anyone ever willingly shoveled shit, I know I sure as hell didn't. It was just something that had to be done, came will the territory.

But I think you're underestimating todays teens. Spoiled? Who spoiled them? I think if they had to do unpleasant things they would rise to the occasion, it's not their fault they were raised in an environment where they didn't have to.
Gravdigr • Mar 23, 2014 3:00 pm
They're not spoiled, lots of kids smell like that.

:D
Gravdigr • Mar 23, 2014 3:05 pm
xoxoxoBruce;895252 wrote:
I don't think anyone ever willingly shoveled shit, I know I sure as hell didn't. It was just something that had to be done, came will the territory.


To me, that's doing it willingly. And I did it, too.

:turd:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 24, 2014 10:11 am
Willingly suggests there's a choice. When you have livestock indoors, there's no choice. :haha:
orthodoc • Mar 24, 2014 6:47 pm
footfootfoot;895184 wrote:
I'm not sure teens would make the best ag workers, we'd all starve in about two growing seasons.

:p:


Shipping urban teens to the country probably wouldn't go well, I admit. (although I've known a few who benefited greatly). Maybe get them working when they're young? Part of educational requirements, maybe ... spend time on a family farm learning where food comes from.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2014 3:01 pm
Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes...
glatt • Mar 25, 2014 4:44 pm
Hmm.

Instead of a snapshot in time, if I look at my life as a whole, I'm 46, and I spent 21 years living with my parents, and my kids have spent 15 years so far living with me, so that's 36 years in a household with two parents and kids. I spent 1 year as a man living alone, and 5 years in non-family households, and 5 years as a married couple without kids.

I predict that by the time I die at age 80, it will be about 47 years married with children, 1 year living alone (I hope), 5 years non-family household, and 27 years married with no kids.

YMMV.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2014 5:22 pm
YMMV for sure, "There are eight million stories in the naked city..."
All of them, would fit nicely into that chart, but explaining the trends would be a challenge.

I can think of a number of reasons for "Married with children" to be cut in half over 40 years. Kids grow up, death/divorce, ageing population, etc. But which reason is primary, has the biggest effect, would be much tougher.

The 120% increase in "Men living alone", is obviously due to an increase in intelligence. :p:
Clodfobble • Mar 26, 2014 9:12 pm
Heh... men living alone has gone up faster than women living alone, because the woman usually gets custody.

What I find most interesting is the threefold increase in "non-family" households. It makes sense that "other family" households go up alongside the rise in divorce and blended stepfamilies. But "non-family" means roommates, which most adults only do if they can't afford to live alone. Then again, it was going up even in the boom years, so maybe the economy doesn't have much to do with it after all.
glatt • Mar 26, 2014 9:17 pm
I think non family is also unmarried couples.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 27, 2014 12:50 am
Unmarried with children, too.
glatt • Mar 27, 2014 8:10 am
I think if there are children, then you become a "family" so the household would be "other family households" if the parents are unmarried.
glatt • Mar 27, 2014 8:44 am
The graph is somewhat interesting, a bunch of squiggles. But the conclusions drawn by the study are really something else.

In a nutshell, two decades ago, welfare payments were switched from checks to debit cards. No checks meant that there were no checks to cash, so there were fewer people walking around with wads of cash, so robberies went down. This study says that a whopping 10% reduction in crime nationally is directly attributable to the switch from welfare checks to welfare debit cards.

Previous explanations thrown out there for the crime reduction were the elimination of lead from gasoline and paint, and an increase in police and prison spending. But those things didn't correspond anywhere near as closely to the reductions in crime as the timing of this welfare payment switch does.

The only one that jumps out to me as being questionable is Larceny. It also went down, but it had been going down steeply already and its rate of decent seemed to be thwarted by the welfare payment switch.
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Spexxvet • Mar 27, 2014 9:39 am
Clodfobble;895506 wrote:
Then again, it was going up even in the boom years, so maybe the economy doesn't have much to do with it after all.


What boom years?
Undertoad • Mar 27, 2014 11:20 am
Previous explanations thrown out there for the crime reduction were the elimination of lead from gasoline and paint, and an increase in police and prison spending.


The cultural switch in the ghetto, changing from crack to weed. I talked about this with a guy who was in cop school, and he said it was actually in the book-learning he was doing.
Happy Monkey • Apr 1, 2014 1:59 pm
Not as many things wrong with this one as the last one, but:

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1) Again, the misleading Y-axis

2) No mention that the goal had been adjusted to 6 million months ago, after the failed launch.

Both technically correct, but greatly misleading.

They later corrected the first one.
Sundae • Apr 1, 2014 3:08 pm
Any chance of an explanation for furriners, please?
Happy Monkey • Apr 1, 2014 3:19 pm
The numbers are the numbers of people enrolling in healthcare through the exchanges, (but not moving onto Medicare). The expectation before launch was to have 7 million by now. When the launch was so bad, they revised the expectation down to 6 million.

(As an aside, there were more procrastinators than expected, and the number may reach 7 million after all, but that information came in after this chart was produced.)

The Y-axis issue is putting up a bar graph with an unlabeled vertical axis, and making the difference in size between the bars an arbitrary amount. Someone looking at the graph will get the impression that the axis starts at zero, and (in the example above) the actual enrollees are about a third of the goal, since the one bar is about a third of the size of the other. If you look at the numbers, and do some calculation, you can figure out the actual relationship between the numbers, but you could have done that without the graph. A graph is supposed to communicate an idea visually, and provide the data as reference, not communicate an incorrect impression that can be corrected by interpreting the numbers yourself.
Happy Monkey • Apr 1, 2014 3:29 pm
Apparently, the number is now 7,041,000. The problem with an unlabled Y-Axis (which, I'll mention again, FOX did correct later), is that since that number is still less than the number they have for the goal (7,066,000), they could use exactly the same graphic, with the same bar sizes, even though the difference is now 25,000 instead of 1,066,000.
Sundae • Apr 1, 2014 4:38 pm
Sorry, HM.
It's not just the chart I don't understand, it's what it is actually referring to in the first place.

I take it it's a bad thing that less people have "signed up"? But I thought Obamacare was about social healthcare, so wouldn't a right wing media mouthpiece like Faux news be in favour of only! 6m people?

Don't feel the need to reply if it's complicated.
I have a better than average (British) grasp of American politics and current affairs, but that's not saying much.
So I admit my complete ignorance of Obamacare.
I get much of my real American education here, and I've deliberately avoided the threads that refer to it, after getting annoyed at criticisms of the NHS. Which you're only allowed to bitch about when you pay for it :)
Happy Monkey • Apr 1, 2014 4:51 pm
They are citing the failure to reach expectations as an example of the law not working, and exaggerating the amount it fell short to exaggerate how much it failed to work.

This number isn't the number of people getting subsidies; it's the number who enrolled in private insurance using the Federal and state exchanges. Not all of them got subsidies, and many who would have needed subsidies were put in Medicare instead. So, on a more "conservative vs liberal" axis, they would have wanted a low number for "Medicare enrollees and subsidized private enrollees". This was on an "Republicans vs Obamacare" axis - they want few people to sign up so they can call the law a failure and have a bunch of people who have to pay the penalty for not signing up, who can be used in ads a year from now (when the penalty is due).
Clodfobble • Apr 1, 2014 4:52 pm
Fox wishes to celebrate the "failure" of the President (from the opposing party) falling short of his goal. (Which he didn't actually do.)
Griff • Apr 2, 2014 7:02 am
As far as being "social" goes this is the farthest thing from it. People are being forced to purchase health care from private companys. It's a conservative idea pushed through by the left. It has positive effects on who gets covered but...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 5, 2014 1:16 am
New York Public Library has over 20,000 maps... now you do to.
Gravdigr • Apr 21, 2014 8:51 am
Nobody lives here.

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glatt • Apr 21, 2014 8:55 am
Looks like a map of mountains and deserts. With some black fly habitat thrown in for fun.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 21, 2014 11:39 am
A lot of it is Federal Land, especially in the west.
Clodfobble • Apr 21, 2014 12:29 pm
That's true, every state and national park is going to have tons of people in it every day and even nightly, but no one technically "lives" there.
Gravdigr • Apr 24, 2014 4:49 pm
It says "Most Popular Athlete by State", according to Google search queries. Maybe not most popular, but most "Who the hell is Andrew Wiggins?".

Left it big so ya can see the names:

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Happy Monkey • Apr 24, 2014 7:40 pm
Andrew Wiggins is the Xenocide.
Spexxvet • Apr 26, 2014 11:00 am
Happy Monkey;897624 wrote:
Andrew Wiggins is the Xenocide.


Yeah. His teammates had better nick name him Ender.
Griff • Apr 26, 2014 11:28 am
What's weird is I didn't think anyone followed basketball anymore...:neutral:
Gravdigr • Apr 26, 2014 4:57 pm
In Kentucky and Kansas??????

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
Gravdigr • May 1, 2014 2:46 pm
How The World Gets Drunk

It's pretty surprising:

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monster • May 1, 2014 10:44 pm
Was March warmer or colder than usual?

:rolleyes:
glatt • May 2, 2014 8:15 am
I like that.
Happy Monkey • May 2, 2014 10:39 am
If it's colder where I live, that disproves global warming.
Gravdigr • May 2, 2014 5:38 pm
Seconded.
lumberjim • May 13, 2014 5:53 pm
I finally have proof of my theory!

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moar charts like that


edit: doh!

I guess digger and i both like Cake on facebook. at least that's where I saw that page.
Gravdigr • May 14, 2014 3:59 pm
lumberjim;899000 wrote:
I finally have proof of my theory!

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moar charts like that


edit: doh!

I guess digger and i both like Cake on facebook. at least that's where I saw that page.


I do like cake, but, I don't Facebook. I found the site through Ernie's House Of Whoop Ass (ehowa.com).
Gravdigr • May 14, 2014 4:00 pm
It does prove that we know what's cool.
Griff • May 14, 2014 6:08 pm
I preferred the bee/pot arrests correlation. Yes I too am cool as well.
infinite monkey • May 17, 2014 4:09 am
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sexobon • May 17, 2014 11:03 am
Leaping lizards! That rascally reptile.
tw • May 18, 2014 1:15 pm
sexobon;899188 wrote:
Leaping lizards! That rascally reptile.

Speculation exists that Bugs Bunny will appear in a Geico commerical. Will Elmer Fudd also go hunting for M&Ms?
Undertoad • May 18, 2014 1:53 pm
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glatt • May 19, 2014 9:27 am
infinite monkey;899182 wrote:
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That Godzilla graphic is interesting. 150 Meters for the current Godzilla.

I just saw this image on another site. And I looked up the Transamerica Building. Its 260 meters. And Godzilla looks about 3 times taller than it. (What with camera angles and apparent relative distances.) So Godzilla is around 750 meters tall.

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xoxoxoBruce • May 21, 2014 6:43 pm
Disgraceful. And there's a ton of people in the US that can't get broadband, which is more disgraceful. :mad:
tw • May 22, 2014 9:41 am
xoxoxoBruce;899451 wrote:
. And there's a ton of people in the US that can't get broadband, which is more disgraceful.

Another symptom of what Michael Powel did in the FCC. By changing the rules (because rules were created by Clinton), he successfully bankrupted all competition (PSI, Covad, etc). "Best" internet should only have two providers in each region. Companies such as Comcast, Verizon, and Time Warner then decided where they would and would not provide broadband. Since no competition exists.

Dish is one alternative. But even that will be consumed by the big duopolies. BTW Michael Powel is now a highly paid lobbyist for those companies.

Due to an intentionally created monopoly after 2001, we all now have slow and getting even slower internet. We pay $30 or $45 per month for 20 Mb. Koreans routinely pay $20 for 100 Mb. And Korean businesses are not blackmailed to pay for special service because their 'Comcasts' do not have software to even intentionally subvert Skype packets and skew NetFlicks service. Because their providers did not throttle BitTorrent to increase profits.
glatt • May 22, 2014 10:36 am
This is my phone's speed tests at work and at home. Work is fast. Home is slow. We get the slower cheaper data package at home, but it's really not that cheap. Pisses me off.
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Actually, they list these in kbps units. That can't be right, can it? My old 56k modem from 15 years ago was 56k, which is short for 56 kbps, right? How can I be slower now?
Undertoad • May 22, 2014 12:58 pm
An entire HD movie from Netflix streams at 5 Mb/s so I am not sure what you gentlefolk need so goddamn fast
Gravdigr • May 22, 2014 4:59 pm
We'd prolly be happy with "so goddamn cheap", but, we'd like "so goddamn fast".

We'd love both.
Gravdigr • May 22, 2014 5:00 pm
And:

Why are we so far behind the countries we're so far ahead of?

In general, not just wires and tubes.
Undertoad • May 22, 2014 7:21 pm
I'm sure part of it is how we're spread out, part is when our tech revolution occurred (do we require hardwired copper phones or can we just build past that).

But a big lot of it is just marketing because there are precious few people that actually need more than 10 Mb/s. The bits arrive there at the same time; you can't buy more bandwidth and make the Cellar faster, or even make Youtube stop buffering.

People think they want Google Fiber (1000 Mb/s) when they can't even get a 20th that number out of any devices connected over their WiFi. Now, Google Fiber tries to help speed up the other side of their network, so this is one case where an internet provider may "feel" faster. But it's not the big number they push up front that makes it so.

Latency, or the ping number you get from speedtest.net and elsewhere, is a bigger factor in how "snappy" the web seems, and how quickly requests for stuff turn around. But it's on the order of tenths of a second, so this is not what's making some webpages load all slowly. (That is more poorly scripted pages, on slow servers, allowing ads to interfere with the experience, with memory-hog browsers taking up all the memory on slower desktops, as technology changes, and so forth.)

I spose if you have a household of both gamers and media watchers, you may actually require 20Mb/s from time to time. Of if you torrent a lot.
xoxoxoBruce • May 22, 2014 8:01 pm
Gravdigr;899507 wrote:
We'd prolly be happy with "so goddamn cheap", but, we'd like "so goddamn fast".

We'd love both.


And smooth, without hiccups.
Spexxvet • May 23, 2014 10:19 am
Undertoad;899517 wrote:
I'm sure part of it is how we're spread out, part is when our tech revolution occurred (do we require hardwired copper phones or can we just build past that).

But a big lot of it is just marketing because there are precious few people that actually need more than 10 Mb/s. The bits arrive there at the same time; you can't buy more bandwidth and make the Cellar faster, or even make Youtube stop buffering.

People think they want Google Fiber (1000 Mb/s) when they can't even get a 20th that number out of any devices connected over their WiFi. Now, Google Fiber tries to help speed up the other side of their network, so this is one case where an internet provider may "feel" faster. But it's not the big number they push up front that makes it so.

Latency, or the ping number you get from speedtest.net and elsewhere, is a bigger factor in how "snappy" the web seems, and how quickly requests for stuff turn around. But it's on the order of tenths of a second, so this is not what's making some webpages load all slowly. (That is more poorly scripted pages, on slow servers, allowing ads to interfere with the experience, with memory-hog browsers taking up all the memory on slower desktops, as technology changes, and so forth.)

I spose if you have a household of both gamers and media watchers, you may actually require 20Mb/s from time to time. Of if you torrent a lot.


So....

Why do others countries bother having high speeds? Have they overcome the problems you describe? How can we overcome those problems?

Is some of the issue that most countries, and Europe in its entirety IIRC, have a single protocol for devices?
Undertoad • May 23, 2014 10:29 am
Problems? O you mean

That is more poorly scripted pages, on slow servers, allowing ads to interfere with the experience, with memory-hog browsers taking up all the memory on slower desktops, as technology changes, and so forth.


Upgrade your computer sparky!

And use AdBlock.
Griff • May 23, 2014 10:43 am
Germany seems to do a lot of things right outside of taking peoples homes away...
Undertoad • May 23, 2014 10:59 am
Why do others countries bother having high speeds?


They're subject to the same marketing and misunderstanding of the net as we are. While at the same time, being much more densely populated means they can swap all their copper for fiber at low cost. Once you have fiber the whole way, there are fewer limitations on what you can do.

At some point it is not much more expensive to provide 1000 Mb/s than it is to provide 20 Mb/s. Once you run fiber for the entire connection, it's just physics, you suddenly have a tremendous amount of bandwidth. So the initial run is very expensive but suddenly the bandwidth is cheap.

OK BUT let's imagine that BANDWIDTH, 1000Mb/s or 20Mb/s, is like the number of lanes in a highway to downtown.

If you have a lot of land, you can build a 100 lane highway. That's wonderful and all but if you only have 8 cars per day that want to get downtown, it won't be any faster with a 100 lane highway than with a 2 lane.

The speed limit will be much more important. I would say speed limit = latency, but the metaphor soon starts to break down. Everything is actually going at the speed of light. I must stop now because if the metaphor gets worse it may cause harm to the whole thread.
glatt • May 23, 2014 12:16 pm
Undertoad;899556 wrote:
I must stop now because if the metaphor gets worse it may cause harm to the whole thread.


Yeah, but then I could draw a chart of the thread crashing and burning after that metaphor, and that would bring it back on track again. In fact, I'd have to get all meta, and include that rebound in the chart.
monster • May 24, 2014 9:11 pm
The higher your GPA, the more your earning potential..... But mostly it helps to be male.

from Time http://time.com/110443/grades-gender-pay-gap/
tw • May 24, 2014 10:11 pm
Undertoad;899517 wrote:
But a big lot of it is just marketing because there are precious few people that actually need more than 10 Mb/s.
Same reason justified 2400 and 1.4K baud modems. Nobody needed DSL (1400K and 3000K) in 1990 because advance technology 2.4K modems were fast enough.

Silicon Valley suffered a 1990s downturn, in part, because technologies developed for DSL speeds (ie 1 Gig computer) had no market. Due to fear of technology (ie packet switching) in the last mile, innovation and economic growth was stifled. Microsoft even had to sue Qwest who refused to provide anything other than obsolete circuit switched technology.

Same was learned from pollution control. When the American auto industry stifled innovation, then other countries developed those products that would reap major profits and jobs. American cars then contributed to Bosch's profits because Bosch developed oxygen sensors that Americans knew were unnecessary. "I don't need no stinkin oxygen sensor. My car starts just fine." I don't need no fast internet because products that could use it do not exist.

Same reasoning is why other technologies (ie smart phones, PC and laptops, VCRs, light bulbs, disk drives, semiconductor memory, quantum dots, transistor radios, lithium batteries) moved overseas.

DSL (Broadband) was demonstrated when the IBM PC was introduced. Broadband technology is that old. New products and innovations were denied for almost 20 years because telcos (last mile providers) refused to innovate using the same reasoning that says we don't need 100 Mb. We did not need 1000K modems because we had 1.2K modems. Lessons to be learned from history.

Expect innovative products from Korea because their residential internet has been 100 Mb for only $20. Five times faster for one half the price. Some here are still on 33K modems due to fear of innovation inspired by costs controls, lack of competition, and Michael Powel's rhetoric. Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner, AT&T, etc also want to destroy net neutrality for increased profits. Encouraged by rules that also stifle innovation.

Geography is a troglodyte myth. "Death of distance" has long proven that communication costs increase almost zero with distance. Without competition, cable and fiber companies have stopped expanding their networks. They have gone into a 'maximize profits' mode; common to monopolies and duopolies. For example, the most urbanized states in America are NJ and lower NY. Verizon refused to installed fiber or copper wires into Mantalokin NJ and Fire Island NY after damage from near zero hurricane Sandy. With a new American internet advocated by Michael Powel, residents must spend more money on a slower wireless service that does not support some communication functions. Why can Verizon not afford to install service in the most urban state in America - where distances are shortest? Geography is irrelevant.

Laws that created 'last mile' duopolies mean American internet has fallen to about 20 in the world - and dropping. Many know 8 Mb will always be fast enough for the same reason 2.4K modems were fast enough. Comcast, Verizon, et al love that myth.

Amazing that so many have no idea what, how, and why innovation is created and is so necessary. 20Mb internet means more jobs, wealth, productivity, products, profits, and markets go to our foreign competition. America was once a world leader in internet. Since Michael Powel, America is slowly conceding another industry due to companies that want to make profits; the product be damned.
tw • May 24, 2014 11:12 pm
Where broadband is not available.
Undertoad • May 24, 2014 11:52 pm
Same reason justified 2400 and 1.4K baud modems. Nobody needed DSL (1400K and 3000K) in 1990 because advance technology 2.4K modems were fast enough.


Nobody said that. Literally nobody.

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We're in a different place, now from when merely boosting speeds would lead to different ways to use that speed. Right now we're in an innovation gap because, other than streaming bigger and more high resolution video, nobody can figure out any interesting productive way to use all the bandwidth people have right now.

Can you think of something? I ike how you picked the year of the founding of the Cellar. In 1990 we had all sorts of things we wanted to transmit over the networks we had, but couldn't because there just wasn't that kind of capability. We sat in garages with our BBSes with hard drives full of text files and low-resolution porn, our Usenet full of conversations like this one, and we tried vainly to figure out ways to share it all. We used up every bit of bandwidth we had and demanded modem upgrades every year.

Now we're right at the point where we can stream an entire Hollywood movie at resolutions not even available to us until 10 years ago. Full video resolution will be the only thing to push the envelope in the future. Can you think of anything else you need more bandwidth to do? Not right now! It's fine to just say "Oh we need that speed for next generation applications we haven't thought of yet." But really, at every time in the past, we were actually angry that our bandwidth requirements weren't met.

Lower latency will be the future. That is what will allow us to make music together, perform remote surgery, and do battle on realistic play battlefields. We have enough lanes, now we need a faster speed limit.
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2014 12:08 am
In this area with Comcast and Verizon we're in good shape if you can afford it. But I know several people across the country that need more, they can't stream movies that don't stutter. And poor Nirvana, not being able to download damn near anything.
tw • May 25, 2014 9:30 am
Undertoad;899698 wrote:
Nobody said that. Literally nobody.
I heard this stuff often from business school types.

When the video disc was introduced, I saw a device of tremondous potential. It could hold all words from a dictionary. The same response. Why would anyone need that? None of the engineers I worked with could understand a purpose for a 'read only' device other than movies. Same myopia then as I see now. Business school types routtinely stifle innovation because because nobody can cite a useful product using that technology.

Same myopia occurred with the laser. Nobody could think of a useful purpose for coherent light. Why was expensive light more useful than existing incoherent light? That response was universal.

Same occurred with liquid crystals demonstrated in RCA in the early 1960s. RCA eventually killed the group in Raritan NJ that was developing LCDs. Because nobody could propose a product. LCD was another example of innovaton that only wasted money.

Nobody could see purpose in a microprocessor. Intel published a maybe 100 item list of potential applications including traffic lights. It was universally scoffed at since relays did that job just fine. Ironically, even Intel never proposed a microprocessor as a computer. In 100 so listed purposals, even Intel never once mentioned a computer. Provide the solution. Then problems are quickly identified and solved.

Why does Bell Labs all but no longer exist? Because AT&T (and then Lucent) decided research on ideas without a purpose must be eliminated. Therefore one of America's greatest source of innovation was destroyed. By troglodytes who know nobody needs it because a product cannot be defined.

I specifically remember management in JC Penny's processing center state that nobody needed more than 64K modems. These easily transfered data from magnetic tapes to other JC Penny data centers throughout the nation just fine on four wire 64K modems in the 1970s. That was more than fast enough. Troglodytes are widepread.

We are expected to learn from history. Google is installing faster internet because so many in Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner have this silly idea that 20 Mb is fast enough for everyone. Using myopic reasoning, a purpose for 100 Mb does not exist. Same business school types refused to restore wired (copper or fiber) services in highly urban areas in Mantalokin NJ and Fire Island NY.

These duopolies refuse to up broadband speeds using same reasons used to stifle DSL. They don't want to increase backbone speeds unless someone else pays for it (the reason for destroying net neutrality). And they do not want to service more rural areas or even some parts of the most urban state such as Mantalokin NJ. Like GM, they only want to make profits - screw better products. This same reasoning even destroyed the Bell Labs.

BTW, how many today know what the Bell Laboratories were? I am surprised that a majority do not.
tw • May 25, 2014 9:40 am
In Where broadband is not available, curiously Mississippi is almost fully covered while adjacent Alabama has wide 'blackout' areas. Delaware has great coverage while adjacent Maryland east coast has little.
Undertoad • May 25, 2014 10:43 am
xoxoxoBruce;899699 wrote:
In this area with Comcast and Verizon we're in good shape if you can afford it. But I know several people across the country that need more, they can't stream movies that don't stutter. And poor Nirvana, not being able to download damn near anything.


Being able to steam an entire hour and a half of 5Mb/s when they have 20Mb/s service is sometimes an issue, because the providers are not buying enough bandwidth at the other end of the pipe.* Meanwhile, South Korea and Hong Kong with their mighty 100Mb/s bragging rights, will have the exact same problem.

Let me soothe your furrowed brows! Anyone who can see the southern sky without any trees in the way can get broadband: the little dishes will do satellite internet. You can get enough bandwidth but lousy latency; so you can stream Netflix, but browsing the Cellar will be a pain in the ass. In fact Dish just offered 6 months of free Netflix with a hookup! They are trying to make this point.

http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/dish-offers-six-months-free-of-netflix-to-new-customers-1201190288/


*a longer consideration of this is reserved for the next post.
Undertoad • May 25, 2014 10:59 am
*

Broadband providers are trying to get Netfllix to pay for more bandwidth at their end of the pipe. Comcast has convinced Netflix to pay. Other providers such as Dish are making it a marketing question.

But shortly after this issue became serious - last summer, roughly - someone came out with "Popcorn Time", an app that streams Hollywood movies using peer-to-peer networking. No longer would you have to rely on both your end and the Netflix end of the pipe being large enough - basically, your stream comes from 1000 different points on the network, and if one of them is clogged or blocked, it just uses the other 999. And you pay nothing.

Once again, when they think they can get a toehold, the major players forget this simple fact:

WE ARE IN CHARGE HERE, AND WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

The hitch: Popcorn Time is totally illegal. It's piracy. The crazy thing: you benefit from piracy even if you don't use it, because it provides an unstoppable free alternative representing what people want, and the big corporations are forced to compete with it no matter what. If content is expensive, piracy goes up. If content is hard to get, piracy answers that.

Y'know, after a certain point in time, you could always get Hollywood movies illegally on the net - you just couldn't stream them. You could connect to whatever peer-to-peer networks were around, and download your entire Hollywood movie, and then watch it. In the early days it might take a few days to download it. Now, you can download it in minutes.

And as always, piracy provided a superior product, without unskippable previews, and without those FBI warnings saying you aren't supposed to pirate your movies.

This is the real reason why the "Netflix is not fast enough" problem won't be a long-term problem: Hollywood's interests are in providing what people need to NOT go the piracy route. It will take a little time for those interests to express themselves to the providers, but they are all one now and the market disruption is really quite amazing.
Undertoad • May 25, 2014 11:09 am
tw;899713 wrote:
I heard this stuff often from business school types.

When the video disc was introduced, I saw a device of tremondous potential. It could hold all words from a dictionary. The same response. Why would anyone need that? None of the engineers I worked with could understand a purpose for a 'read only' device other than movies.


At the time I was working in document imaging. We had jukeboxes full of video discs, trying to replace entire floors of file cabinets full of documents. With every advance in laser storage there was a new jukebox device ready to take advantage of it. Every engineer was waiting for the next level of write-once, read-many technology and trying to employ it as quickly as possible. And this was at Unisys, one of the least-effective engineering companies at the time. Your argument is invalid.

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Gravdigr • May 25, 2014 11:55 am
I'd be happy to be able to afford the quicker speeds we have now.
tw • May 25, 2014 1:54 pm
Undertoad;899718 wrote:
Your argument is invalid.
When speeds increase, latency also diminishes. Backbone speeds must also increase (if data transporters are not permitted to destroy net neutrality). Consumers then spend same money for hardware that is also tens times faster. More myths shattered by how innovation works.

Arguments about latency are bogus. We should remain inferior to enrich the data transporters. That is the American way. Protect some industries so they need not upgrade and innovate. It took a Federal law to force data transporters to stop obstructing and subverting innovation. Then Michael Powel, et al undermined that law to enrich the data transporters. What is Michael Powel doing today? He is a well paid lobbyist for the data transporter industry that insists 20 Mb will always be good enough.

We pay more so that Comcast can buy and build multiple and tallest skyscrapers in Philadelphia, NBC, Universal Studios, Time Warner, theme parks, major league sports teams, etc. They need not provide better service. And need not provide service to so much of the country that still does not have any broadband. Why does UT say this is good? Why is cable TV that once was so profitable at $8 per month (when equipment was so expensive) now cost $50+ (despite inexpensive equipment and 'Death of Disatance')? In a competitive, innovative, and advancing America, 100 Mb would be $20 per month. But that means no duopolies that invent myths to protect their slow internet services.

This need to protect duopolies even got UT to torture his cat.
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2014 2:19 pm
tw;899713 wrote:
I Therefore one of America's greatest source of innovation was destroyed. By troglodytes who know nobody needs it because a [COLOR="red"][strike][/COLOR]product[COLOR="Red"][/strike] profit [/COLOR]cannot be defined.
A friend worked at Bell Labs in NJ, them moved to Bell Labs in Dallas a dozen or so years ago. By the time they bought him out last year, everyone else in his department of about 25 engineers + Boss were long gone. He said the biggest problem other than the one stated above, is they flooded the joint with several layers of middle managers. That strangled innovation, slowed progress, and sucked profits like a Hoover.


tw;899714 wrote:
In Where broadband is not available, curiously Mississippi is almost fully covered while adjacent Alabama has wide 'blackout' areas. Delaware has great coverage while adjacent Maryland east coast has little.

It shows areas that are reported on the National Broadband Map as unserved by fixed broadband with [COLOR="Red"]advertised[/COLOR] speeds of [COLOR="red"]3 Mbps downstream [/COLOR]and [COLOR="red"]768 kbps upstream[/COLOR].
Methinks their definition of "Broadband" leaves a hell of a lot to be desired.:nadkick:
Undertoad • May 25, 2014 4:19 pm
tw;899722 wrote:
When speeds increase, latency also diminishes.


Not directly, no. The speed of light has a say in this, as does all the firmware in all the routers between you and wherever you like to connect to.
tw • May 25, 2014 9:01 pm
xoxoxoBruce;899724 wrote:
Methinks their definition of "Broadband" leaves a hell of a lot to be desired.

The term broadband did not exist until Clinton's 1996 Federal Communication Act forced major telecommunciation companies to innovate. Remember, some industries are so corrupt as to think profit (not the product) are more important. This hatred of innovation is even why Microsoft had to sue Qwest to get what we would later call broadband.

I believe the term broadband (as defined by Federal law) was above 1 Mb. A 3 Mb number, that was great back then, is minimal by today's standards. However, major data transporters remained so protected by what changed after 2000 as to even refuse to expand broadband services into the rest of America. This and America's slow internet speeds are directly traceable to extremists (ie Michael Powel) who advocate monopolies or duopolies rather than what made America great - innovation. He knows who butters his bread.

Maxiumizing profits even explains why Michael Powel, now a major lobbyist for the data transporters, is promoting the destruction of net neutrality. They destroyed competition. Now they need net neutrality destroyed so that Google, Netflicks, Microsoft, Apple, etc will pay for upgraded service (ie a faster backbone) while Comcast, et al build more skyscrapers and buy more content providers (ie NBC, Universal Studios and theme parks). And so that smaller data transporter (ie Level 3 Communications) will be at a disadvantage. They even deny we need anything more than 20 Mb. Since that exceeds a Federal definition of broadband. Therefore must be good enough.

Notice how much of American cannot even get 3 Mb.
Undertoad • May 25, 2014 9:33 pm
When speeds increase, latency also diminishes.


When I said "Not directly, no," I meant, "This is the sort of statement made by someone who simply doesn't know what they're talking about." Stick to oil changes and CEOs buddy. That's your strong suit.
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2014 3:47 am
High speed internet would cost a fortune. If everyone could get 500 or 100 Mb, the NSA budget would skyrocket from $50 billion, through the roof. :eek:
tw • May 26, 2014 10:05 am
xoxoxoBruce;899766 wrote:
If everyone could get 500 or 100 Mb, the NSA budget would skyrocket from $50 billion, through the roof. :eek:
But notice new jobs created by more people reading more mail. According to economists, this would increase the GDP and destroy unemployment. Innovation always is good for the economy.
glatt • Jun 6, 2014 10:12 am
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Undertoad • Jun 6, 2014 3:19 pm
I'm guessing that when they say Islam, except for Michigan, it's the "Nation of Islam" which most other Muslims around the world would say is bullshit.

Not that the entire map isn't bullshit. But you know.
glatt • Jun 6, 2014 3:33 pm
Undertoad;900983 wrote:
except for Michigan


Why not Michigan?
Undertoad • Jun 6, 2014 3:40 pm
Dearborn, Michigan has a very large concentration of Arab expats.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 6, 2014 7:24 pm
Undertoad;900983 wrote:
I'm guessing that when they say Islam, except for Michigan, it's the "Nation of Islam" which most other Muslims around the world would say is bullshit.

Don't you know those Islamers are creeping around the country spreading Sharia and forcing abortions so they can eat Christian babies? :eek2:
Undertoad • Jun 9, 2014 4:43 pm
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glatt • Jun 9, 2014 5:06 pm
My brain will see either, but not both
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 12, 2014 2:50 pm
I stumbled into a militant bicycle site where there was all this bullshit about bike riders can do no wrong and drivers + pedestrians are the devil's spawn.
I did, however, discover this cart, which originated at dshort.com, who make all sorts of interesting charts for financial advisors.
Gravdigr • Jun 12, 2014 4:51 pm
Look at the size of the udders on that poor, legless, sightless cat!!!!

:mg:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 12, 2014 9:27 pm
Udder, singular, one per cat/bird. Teats are another matter.
Griff • Jun 13, 2014 6:53 am
People seem less fascinated with cars than they once were. Maybe because the cars I grew up with were such crap, I take more of a utilitarian approach. I like those old muscle cars but I'm unlikely to drive one.
glatt • Jun 13, 2014 8:14 am
Plus, who wants to jump in the car to sit in traffic?
Undertoad • Jun 13, 2014 8:21 am
It started the fall-off before the depression. It doesn't follow cost. It doesn't follow supply.

This is a systemic change. Probably means the end of America.
glatt • Jun 13, 2014 8:51 am
I wonder what a chart of new road building would look like overlaid on this chart?

There are few frontiers left in the USA and the only road building I see is putting in more lanes and higher capacity interchanges and stuff.
glatt • Jun 13, 2014 9:08 am
June 2005 is when Google Earth was introduced by Google.

There used to be this lure of the open road in the US that went hand in hand with the whole car culture. But where is the lure when you can just go there in Google Earth in seconds? There is no mystery any more.
Clodfobble • Jun 13, 2014 9:34 am
I also wonder how telecommuting has affected this? Even at the height of "driving for pleasure," it still was a drop in the bucket compared to a person's daily commute.
glatt • Jun 13, 2014 9:44 am
And ordering stuff online instead of driving around to the malls.
Undertoad • Jun 13, 2014 9:46 am
I wonder how many miles GPS is saving.

OK I forgot: there was a massive price spike in 2005, which was shocking and probably led to a lot of changes in habitual driving. But still!

Also, around here the roads are well at capacity during rush hour. It is hard to get miles in when you're going 10 MPH. There has been an upswing in passenger miles on the commuter trains.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 13, 2014 12:52 pm
glatt;901536 wrote:
Plus, who wants to jump in the car to sit in traffic?


Undertoad;901548 wrote:

Also, around here the roads are well at capacity during rush hour. It is hard to get miles in when you're going 10 MPH. There has been an upswing in passenger miles on the commuter trains.


That's a biggie, Los Angeles synced their 4400 traffic lights to increase the average speed of traffic from 15 to 17.5 mph.
I've done the Philly to mid-state Massachusetts run a bazillion times, in every conceivable weather/time of day/day of week condition, since 1966.
NYC in the middle adds another dimension, as well as Governor Christie.:eyebrow:
That trip has varied between 3hrs-57min and 23hrs-22min due to external forces I couldn't influence... no mechanical failures or personal foibles. Mostly increased volume, but self absorbed clueless drivers with no lane discipline are as big a contributor. When did fathers start telling their teens to drive in the left lane and never leave it no matter what? I guess you never know when you'll want to make a left turn... through the guardrail, across the median.:rolleyes:

Christ, there are only two rules...
1- Don't hit the car in front.
2- Don't block the car behind.
how hard is that?
footfootfoot • Jun 13, 2014 1:46 pm
xoxoxoBruce;901569 wrote:

Christ, there are only two rules...
1- Don't hit the car in front.
2- Don't block the car behind.
how hard is that?


I think it is hard for people who think they are the only car on the road, or the only car that matters...
Gravdigr • Jun 13, 2014 3:59 pm
glatt;901541 wrote:
...the only road building I see is putting in more lanes and higher capacity interchanges and stuff.


Yep. Only new subdivisions get new roads.
Gravdigr • Jun 13, 2014 4:06 pm
xoxoxoBruce;901569 wrote:
When did fathers start telling their teens to drive in the left lane and never leave it no matter what?


In Kentucky, if a Trooper (or anybody else with blue lights and a gun) observes you driving more than a mile in the left lane (fast lane), without passing traffic in the slower lanes, you can be given a ticket. Lane obstruction, I think.

Also, it's a state law here that you have to go completely into the left lane if you pass a cop with someone pulled over, or writing up an accident, or whatever, on the interstate. On a regular road, you must get as far over as is prudent for traffic conditions. And slow down significantly.
Clodfobble • Jun 13, 2014 7:47 pm
We have that same law. If there's a cop pulled over on the side of the road, you must change lanes away, or if that's impossible, slow to 20 mph below the posted speed limit.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 13, 2014 7:52 pm
Same here, new law on changing to the left lane or slowing way down if you can't, when a cop's on the shoulder. There seems to be a wave of these laws being passed across the country. I would speculate the problem was being out on the shoulder is incredibly dangerous and when someone hits the cop, his car, or the car he stopped, he could rarely charge the driver.

Hey, that's why they call them accidents, bro.

That's left the cops vulnerable to carefully executed "accidents", but this law helps prevent accidents real and staged. But of course that would never be discussed in the open.

A lot of states have the get-the-fuck-over laws but the cops are usually too busy to observe, no less enforce them unless you're right in front of him. I remember being on I-84 in Ct late at night. I'm in the right lane, very light traffic, and I see flashing lights coming up from behind in the left lane. When the cruiser catches up with me he's got colored light flashing, headlights strobing and the siren blaring. He's also 2 inches off the rear bumper of some guy who was oblivious... or dead. The cop must have been furious because about a minute later the cop passed him on the median, even though my lane was open.

It's one of those catch 22 things, the cop has to be elsewhere or he might have been tempted to shoot the fool, but if he didn't have to be elsewhere it wouldn't have happened in the first place. :footpyth:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 15, 2014 3:16 pm
The Scottish Owl Centre.

With a Scottish accent I wasn't sure if it was birds or wolves... it's birds. ;)
Gravdigr • Jun 15, 2014 6:04 pm
Pretty cool.
Spexxvet • Jun 16, 2014 9:09 am
xoxoxoBruce;901569 wrote:
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That trip has varied between 3hrs-57min and 23hrs-22min ...


I'd like to hear about that trip
footfootfoot • Jun 16, 2014 12:09 pm
&#8220;Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era&#8212;the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. . . .

History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of &#8220;history&#8221; it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time&#8212;and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights&#8212;or very early mornings&#8212;when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder's jacket . . . booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change) . . . but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that. . . .

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle&#8212;that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn&#8217;t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting&#8212;on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark&#8212;that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.&#8221;
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 16, 2014 1:48 pm
Spexxvet;901760 wrote:
I'd like to hear about that trip

Sunday afternoon, 3PM in MA, 8" of snow and falling fast. I got a phone call from Philly, strike's over, have to be back at work tomorrow.
I-91 was one lane, bumper to bumper, mostly trucks because anyone who didn't have to be on the road wasn't. I-95 was the same. We came to a halt at two salt laden plows parked on the side with their yellow lights flashing. There was a low spot in the road where the snow had drifted in and a car got stuck so the plows refused to risk hitting the car. This is I-95, the fucking pavement is 40 ft wide, ferchristsakes. The car was a Datsun 2-seat roadster, so one of the truck drivers rounded some of us up and we picked up the car and dumped it on the side. From New Haven there were four 25-cent tolls in CT and one just after the NY line where the state police blocked the road. "Sorry folks, road closed, turn around"... [SIZE="1"](John Candy at Wally World)[/SIZE] WTF!

Can't argue so U-turn, take the first exit to US-1, and get out the map in a truck stop lot. A guy dressed in white scrubs says he has to get to work at a hospital in NYC. If I give him a ride he'll get me there. Damn if he didn't, by driving underneath the elevated highways where the roads were impassable. There was 23" in Manhattan, but wind pushes it off buildings into the canyons, a lot of side streets looked 10 or more ft deep.

Cool, just schlep to NJ by one of the two tunnels Wrong, tunnels are closed. OK there's three bridges. Bridges are open, roads to them are closed. :facepalm:
About five hours later they open the tunnels, get to NJ, on my way now baby! Nope gotcha, turnpike and Garden State are closed. Head slowly down US-1. :(
Looking for food, I spot a service road into the back door of a Turnpike rest area and found out the wind had blown most of the snow off the pike but is was icy and they were afraid the wind would push vehicles off the side.
I ain't scairt.
Drive around the barriers, over the lawn, onto turnpike. Come over the Walt Whitman bridge a little after 2 PM on Monday and there isn't a damn flake on the ground... it was maybe 50 degrees and sunny. Then I called my boss to tell him my tale of woe.

Now aren't you sorry you asked. :haha:

footfootfoot;901766 wrote:
...—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil.
Then we became old and evil.
Spexxvet • Jun 17, 2014 2:50 pm
xoxoxoBruce;901788 wrote:
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Now aren't you sorry you asked. :haha:


Nope.
That must've sucked bad. You got fucked every which way.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 21, 2014 2:19 am
Frequency of letters showing up in English, and distribution of each letter within the words that use them.
Gravdigr • Jul 5, 2014 4:36 pm
Back in the 70s a fellow named George Etzel Pearcy wanted to redraw the US's state boundaries, and reduce the number of states to 38. This is what he thought the map should look like:

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From MentalFloss
Gravdigr • Jul 10, 2014 5:59 pm
Apologies for the size, but, it wouldn't have downsized well, due to the very small print.

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From YahooFood
busterb • Jul 10, 2014 9:49 pm
Digger I just heard something about that on radio this Am.
Griff • Jul 16, 2014 7:55 pm
Which party is trusted... neither.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 16, 2014 8:58 pm
They are not alone. :(
Griff • Aug 10, 2014 9:31 am
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xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2014 2:11 pm
As I understand it, when they talk about budgets that does not include the costs of wars. Correct me if I'm wrong. :confused:
Spexxvet • Aug 11, 2014 10:39 am
xoxoxoBruce;906812 wrote:
As I understand it, when they talk about budgets that does not include the costs of wars. Correct me if I'm wrong. :confused:


Only if you're GWB. Other wars were in the budget, Bush funded his with emergency spending bills, IIRC. Some ware have been subsidized wit their own tax.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 11, 2014 3:53 pm
OK thanks, maybe it's not including ongoing wars in the Department of Defense budgets I'm thinking of.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2014 2:29 pm
The PEW is at it again. Again, who am I kidding, they never stop. :haha:
Happy Monkey • Aug 14, 2014 5:39 pm
The Silent generation? Hadn't heard that one before.

Huh.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 14, 2014 10:08 pm
That confused me too, I always went by the Wiki definition. But I figured PEW was more up to date than myself.
glatt • Aug 15, 2014 10:00 am
Where people in each state were born.


Link appears to be experiencing heavy traffic right now, but it was working a minute ago.

Check out the different states, and see where their citizens came from.

79% of Louisiana residents were born in Louisiana, which is unusually high.
25% of Nevada residents were born in Nevada, which is pretty low.

Your state falls somewhere in between. Check it out.

Looks like most states are seeing significant immigration growth.

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xoxoxoBruce • Aug 15, 2014 10:57 am
Some of the northwestern states have really crazy weaves.
glatt • Aug 15, 2014 11:14 am
I don't understand why they weave across each other at all. That seems totally unnecessary. Must be for artistic and visually appealing reasons.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 15, 2014 11:19 am
No, the thickest line(source state with largest %), is always at the top for any given year.
glatt • Aug 15, 2014 11:38 am
Ah, I got myself confused by looking at the "Other states" line, which were way bigger. But they should be, since they aren't individual states.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 15, 2014 3:31 pm
The charts just keep coming rapid-fire... PEW PEW PEW ;)
Griff • Aug 22, 2014 8:18 am
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glatt • Aug 25, 2014 8:34 am
A lot of people in the SF Bay Area wear Jawbone Up data recording bracelets to track their fitness activity.

There was a pretty big earthquake in the Bay Area yesterday in the early morning.

The Jawbone company compiled the data from its users and charted who was awoken by the earthquake and where they were located. This data is amazing to me. We live in an interesting time.

From here.
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Clodfobble • Aug 25, 2014 2:15 pm
That is fascinating. I can't even imagine how fully integrated all data will be in another 20 years. Assuming society doesn't collapse, of course.
glatt • Aug 25, 2014 2:49 pm
California, at least, might very well collapse.

from xkcd
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glatt • Aug 26, 2014 9:43 am
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Gravdigr • Aug 31, 2014 4:27 pm
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Gravdigr • Sep 13, 2014 5:53 pm
Each state's most affluent town, by average income:

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Don't argue with me, sources given.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 13, 2014 10:13 pm
A lot of those locations have pretty small populations.
monster • Sep 13, 2014 10:35 pm
Orchard Lake Village is barely a neighborhood
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 14, 2014 12:33 am
Yes, population 2412. PA's Fox Chapel is 5409, and MA's Dover is 5558.
Gravdigr • Sep 14, 2014 2:48 pm
Anchorage, KY's pop = 2264. It's one of the green spots about ten miles east of Louisville.

Papa John Schnatter (Papa John's Pizza) owns a good deal of it.

Probably bumps the average.
Spexxvet • Sep 15, 2014 10:32 am
xoxoxoBruce;909627 wrote:
A lot of those locations have pretty small populations.


When you're that wealthy, you can keep out the riff-raff ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 15, 2014 3:44 pm
Sure, and hanging with other 1%ers drives the average income up. Of course that's reported taxable income which has nothing to do with reality.

Now Scarsdale NY, avg. income $232,422, has a population 17,471. Some of them must be making big bucks for that average.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 16, 2014 1:45 am
Cigarette sales for each year, from 1970 through 2012, in packs per capita, by states.

http://psychoactivelectricity.tumblr.com/image/97518333168
glatt • Sep 16, 2014 8:19 am
Interesting.

What's up with New Hampshire?
Undertoad • Sep 16, 2014 8:33 am
Low taxes = cheaper prices = people from neighboring states buy there
glatt • Sep 16, 2014 9:03 am
As a non-smoker, that never occurred to me. But I am aware of the liquor stores.
Gravdigr • Sep 16, 2014 3:04 pm
KY never leaves the red (shocker).

I must be the only person in KY that doesn't smoke. Cigarettes, that is.
Gravdigr • Sep 29, 2014 5:36 pm
Like most people already knew, don't fuck with KY and/or PA:

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BigV • Sep 29, 2014 9:41 pm
Bromine Production.



OOOOOOhhhkay.
Clodfobble • Oct 1, 2014 12:48 pm
Does your doctor take payola from pharmaceutical companies? Obamacare mandated the creation of a public database for you to find that information.

It's clunky, as the dataset is necessarily huge, but just find the "Physician Last Name" field on the right, type in whoever you want, and make sure the box next to it gets checked.

There are some legal kinks still being worked out, and some loopholes, so if your doctor's name isn't on there it doesn't necessarily mean they're not getting money. Plus some other caveats. But it's a nice start.
BigV • Oct 1, 2014 3:28 pm
That's very interesting, and yes it is a good start though clunky. Thanks Clodfobble.
Gravdigr • Oct 1, 2014 4:34 pm
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BigV • Oct 1, 2014 5:12 pm
Grav, my friend, I thank you for giving me a few laughs when I was in sore need of them.

You are the man.
Gravdigr • Oct 2, 2014 4:00 pm
:D
Gravdigr • Oct 4, 2014 2:32 pm
States' Income Inequality - from YahooHomes

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Gravdigr, bridging the gap between rich and poor, get some Gravdigr today!
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 5, 2014 12:13 am
Since all states have rich and poor I wondered how they made that map. They've grafted the states by Gini Coefficient.
gvidas • Oct 5, 2014 10:50 am
Image

from here: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/dear-mona-how-many-flight-attendants-are-men/
Griff • Oct 5, 2014 2:54 pm
I wonder if I should move from the 2.3% to Boilermaker...
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 5, 2014 3:42 pm
Janitor wouldn't compare to boilermaker, but a bigger leap than a doctor... percentage of the market wise, not income.

Griff, when you were young and fire in the belly idealistic, you set goals like building your house, contribute more than 50% in raising your kids, getting educated and certified to help the most needy people in America.

You not only built your house, you built a timber frame home from fucking TREES. You did that while playing Mr Mom and raising two great kids that know what they want and are almost ready to twist the world's tail. Oh, wasn't there a wife going to school in there too?

Then you got yourself educated plus all the extra stuff to follow your special choice of careers, and the bullshit dog and pony show of getting certified and verified, even thought you'd proven you were qualified. All this while maintaining tight family ties, with the wife and kids knowing you were there anytime they needed you

As frustrating as your job is, or actually the assholes on the periphery of your job are, I don't think you could walk away from the kids. You could only become a boilermaker if the assholes in Harrisburg get reelected in November and further cut spending, forcing you out completely.

Now you're uh, well... wizened, wiser, and sober, you did it. You did it well and maintained your integrity to boot. Nothing but respect man, you ain't Superman but you're as close as anyone I've ever known of.


Oh, can I borrow $10? :blush:
Griff • Oct 5, 2014 8:07 pm
Are you calling me old?!!!! ;)

Neither a borrower nor a lender be Bro.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 6, 2014 12:09 am
Oh no, it's just your fencing suit smells that way. :haha:
glatt • Oct 9, 2014 8:32 am
Jawbone, the company that was able to map earthquake intensity in California a few months ago by noting which wearers of their device woke up during an earthquake, is at it again.

Here is their US map of when users go to sleep. A really cool thing shows that people on the eastern side of time zones go to bed earlier than those on the western side, presumable because it gets dark in the East sooner.

Brooklyn is the only county in the US that goes to sleep (on average) after midnight.

I wish I could imbed the interactive map, but I don't know how. Click the link above.

Here is a screenshot of the static map.
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Edit: And here are the hours of sleep each night
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Gravdigr • Oct 9, 2014 4:43 pm
Update: The author is embarrassed to note he’d never heard the song “No Sleep Till Brooklyn” until the day this post was published.


:biglaugha
Happy Monkey • Oct 13, 2014 12:27 pm
Marriage Chart
Image
Gravdigr • Oct 19, 2014 4:22 pm
I had to find this out, and thought someone else may find it handy/interesting.

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 19, 2014 5:24 pm
I knew the higher I get, the harder it is to make me boil.:cool:
Gravdigr • Oct 20, 2014 4:33 pm
Word.:D
Gravdigr • Oct 23, 2014 2:42 pm
From SpuriousCorrelations

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Griff • Oct 27, 2014 8:05 pm
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classicman • Oct 27, 2014 8:15 pm
Sooooooooooo ...

According to Griff's chart neither party has really done shit to help the Middle Class.
Griff • Oct 27, 2014 8:21 pm
But they said they love me long time!
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2014 9:05 pm
FDR was the only one to make significant progress, and that was battling the great depression too. Maybe the depression was why, because things were so bad the people(voters) were fed up and gave him the support to make laws empowering middle class labor.

When the middle class got fat and lazy they allowed Reagan to bring the oligarchy out of the shadows and back to brazen power, where they were before WW I.

But party? Nope, all politicians follow the voters demands, and when the voters are apathetic, they follow the money.
Undertoad • Oct 27, 2014 9:54 pm
When defining the end of the middle class, be sure not to include the upper middle class.

Getting into the 10%, and out of this graph, means a household income of $118,200 as of this thread.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2014 11:46 pm
True, everyone's perception of where the cut off is, both above and below, varies.
Gravdigr • Oct 29, 2014 12:57 pm
Not really a chart.

Or a graph.

More of a graphic.

An infographic, I suppose.

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No promise of accuracy.
glatt • Oct 29, 2014 1:01 pm
Fear the zombies...
orthodoc • Oct 29, 2014 9:52 pm
Griff;912828 wrote:
But they said they love me long time!


They always say that, honey.
Gravdigr • Nov 13, 2014 5:10 pm
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glatt • Nov 21, 2014 11:04 am
A visual representation of a year's worth of smog in Beijing. Picture taken at the same time each day for a year.

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Spexxvet • Nov 22, 2014 10:21 am
Unregulated industry at its finest :greenface
Griff • Nov 22, 2014 11:11 am
or State controlled industry at its finest. Choose your spin.
Happy Monkey • Nov 22, 2014 1:03 pm
If the regulator owns the regulated (or vice versa), it's unregulated.
Griff • Nov 22, 2014 1:34 pm
[reductionist]Are you arguing for the divestment of the National Parks?[/argumentarian]
Griff • Nov 22, 2014 1:35 pm
Actually, I agree HM.
Happy Monkey • Nov 22, 2014 2:45 pm
Griff;914713 wrote:
[reductionist]Are you arguing for the divestment of the National Parks?[/argumentarian]

I'm arguing that the head of the Park Service had better never get a cut of the mineral rights.
Gravdigr • Nov 24, 2014 3:51 pm
Just kill me now.

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xoxoxoBruce • Nov 24, 2014 9:15 pm
But wait, isn't that the goal of civilized society, to make life easier for the next generation... even if the whippersnappers don't appreciate it.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 6, 2014 4:35 am
As quick reference to whether you should be in misery or not.
Much easier than checking the feels.
glatt • Dec 6, 2014 12:00 pm
Wait. I was reading this wrong initially. I had always heard that the holidays were the worst, but this is saying the holidays are the best.
Clodfobble • Dec 6, 2014 1:35 pm
Well, these are search results, so you could take them in the completely opposite fashion: if you are searching for depression-related topics, you are acknowledging the problem and looking for solutions. If you're worse off, you're not searching the internet for your symptoms, you're just wallowing in bed.

What I want to know are the weekly ups-and-downs: are people searching more at home on the weekends, or when they're at work on the boss' dime?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 6, 2014 1:37 pm
I'd guess Monday morning on the company dime. ;)

You might be stressed about whether to blanket your horse or not.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2014 1:48 pm
Obamacare next year... at The Dish.
classicman • Dec 8, 2014 10:17 pm
Well that chart sure isn't accurate for me. My employer is in NJ.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2014 10:51 pm
Does it matter where they are, or where you live?
classicman • Dec 12, 2014 10:50 pm
Looking at the chart, it says one thing and my situation is the complete opposite.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2014 12:17 am
They charted what the Insurance companies said they charged for the "second lowest silver plan", so would reflect changes only for that plan. From what I've seen there are more plans than Carter has Little liver Pills.
Griff • Dec 13, 2014 10:50 am
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Griff • Dec 17, 2014 8:07 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2014 11:29 pm
But they didn't ask if people thought it worked.
glatt • Dec 18, 2014 8:18 am
So there are actually a few respondents out there who think it's OK to punch a guy, but threatening to punch a guy is taking it too far.
Spexxvet • Dec 18, 2014 9:13 am
xoxoxoBruce;916636 wrote:
But they didn't ask if people thought it worked.


They don't care. They just feel good that someone gets hurt because of 911, and the potential for the next 911. It doesn't matter that every expert on interrogation says it doesn't work and every study shows it doesn't work.

Have you seen this meme?
classicman • Dec 18, 2014 9:59 pm
Interesting split ....
Always/sometimes = 48%
Never/Rarely = 42%

oh and ... here's another for ya Spex.
sexobon • Dec 18, 2014 10:49 pm
[CENTER]Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose.
~
Torture's just another word for nothin' left to gain.[/CENTER]
footfootfoot • Dec 19, 2014 1:42 am
How is pumping food into someone's anus considered feeding?
sexobon • Dec 19, 2014 2:16 am
Nutrient enema - Wikipedia
Gravdigr • Dec 19, 2014 4:46 pm
footfootfoot;916710 wrote:
How is pumping food into someone's anus considered feeding?


Food, shoved in a hole. Close enough.
Spexxvet • Dec 20, 2014 10:24 am
pie hole, brown eye hole - whatever it takes
Gravdigr • Dec 20, 2014 4:00 pm
Spoken like a true Sheldon!

:lol2:
Griff • Dec 29, 2014 9:26 am
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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 29, 2014 10:30 am
Causation? :eyebrow:
Griff • Dec 29, 2014 10:44 am
Apparently, this was done by a computer scientist not a biologist but the relationship is interesting if not conclusive. A question I'd like answered is, does Glyphosate destroy helpful gut flora? A problem we humans have is lumping things together. Monsanto is evil therefor Glyphosate causes autism is a fun thing for an activist's brain to latch onto, but it is conspiratorial thinking. That said I'm going to continue to drink my kombucha because it makes my system run better.
Clodfobble • Dec 29, 2014 11:20 am
Griff wrote:
A question I'd like answered is, does Glyphosate destroy helpful gut flora?


Short answer: absolutely.

Long answer: It's not the only one. The majority of pesticides also kill the majority of gut bugs. Meanwhile, the very definition of a preservative is something that kills microbes, thus delaying spoilage. Everyone sits there and shakes their head about the over-use of antibiotics, but every single time you eat something with any kind of preservative, you are literally swallowing a (tiny, but cumulative) dose of antibiotics.

Bitter answer: Even if this chart did make an impression on someone in charge, the likely outcome would be to remove that one herbicide from the legions in use, see the rate of autism go down not one whit, then shrug and put it back into rotation. Fixing something of this magnitude requires a change of equal magnitude.
Lamplighter • Dec 29, 2014 12:38 pm
xoxoxoBruce;917525 wrote:
Causation? :eyebrow:


It is clear that Monsanto has caused the increase in federal and state government
regulations to create, fund, and subsequent child-find activities of the IDEA program,
as confirmed by the 2001 slowdown in Roundup application being diverted
into the creation of the "No Child Left Behind program",
and then direct correlation seen in 2004.

:eek:
lumberjim • Dec 29, 2014 12:40 pm
Clodfobble;917534 wrote:
Fixing something of this magnitude requires a change of equal magnitude.

LIKE A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 29, 2014 1:42 pm
Lamplighter;917535 wrote:
It is clear that Monsanto has caused the increase in federal and state government
regulations to create, fund, and subsequent child-find activities of the IDEA program,
as confirmed by the 2001 slowdown in Roundup application being diverted
into the creation of the "No Child Left Behind program",
and then direct correlation seen in 2004.

:eek:

Monsanto is a extremely well funded, lawyered up, business and politically savvy, corporation.
In my opinion they are the ultimate evil James Bond scale bad guys.
I find these truths to be self evident.

Back in my youth, mid-50's, a Monsanto engineer/executive type bought my grandfathers house next door. OK, next door was a third of a mile, but they were neighbors, his kids went to my school, yada, yada, yada.

I would listen to him tell the adults about the future Monsanto was planning, and wanted to play a big roll in shaping. To a ten year old kid, it sounded Buck Rogers here we come. And being immersed in agriculture, I knew the food production predictions were incredible, but in the 50's scientists could do... or undo... anything.

Oh, and do you know why we don't have flying fuckin' cars? Because Monsanto wasn't interested. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 3, 2015 11:05 pm
None have more than 50% of their highways and byways named "street".
Undertoad • Jan 4, 2015 10:42 am
No Boulevard in Philly! The Boulevard is the main road through half of town.

And then there's dumb Street Road. Worst name ever
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2015 12:01 pm
It's not "The Boulevard" it's Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Boulevard. And it comprises what percent of Philly thoroughfares? :eyebrow:
Undertoad • Jan 4, 2015 12:09 pm
OK, YOU go through town and ask people where "Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Boulevard" is, and I will go through town and ask people where "The Boulevard" is, and we'll see who gets more answers. :D
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2015 12:28 pm
What? I'm a MAN, I don't ask for directions.... [SIZE="1"]mumble, grumble, where's my snit..[/SIZE]

But the point is, one road isn't going to show up on a percentage graph.
classicman • Jan 4, 2015 5:34 pm
Undertoad;918075 wrote:
And then there (is the) dumb Street Road. Worst name ever


2nded
Happy Monkey • Jan 4, 2015 8:09 pm
Undertoad;918075 wrote:
And then there's dumb Street Road. Worst name ever
They should name an avenue in its honor.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2015 8:38 pm
Street road isn't in Philly.
footfootfoot • Jan 4, 2015 9:16 pm
It stands to reason that hilly cities would have more terraces.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 5, 2015 12:35 am
In an effort to bring you information you can use...
BigV • Jan 5, 2015 12:54 pm
xoxoxoBruce;918048 wrote:
None have more than 50% of their highways and byways named "street".


In Seattle, avenues run north-south and streets run east-west. Have any of you noticed a similar distinct pattern in your city?
glatt • Jan 5, 2015 1:13 pm
Streets in Arlington VA are in alphabetical order going east to west going a-z with one syllable words and then starting over again a-z with 2 syllable words, and beginning with 3 syllable words but running out before they reach the county line. N-S they are numbered. There are a handful of old diagonal and meandering streets that are either "Roads" or "Boulevards."
Gravdigr • Jan 5, 2015 1:47 pm
Not really in the same vein, but...

We have South St., and North St., both of which run east-west.

And we have East St., and West St., both of which run north-south.

I don't think we have a blvd.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 5, 2015 1:49 pm
Boston had street builders follow wandering cows. :haha:
Happy Monkey • Jan 5, 2015 2:39 pm
glatt;918179 wrote:
Streets in Arlington VA are in alphabetical order going east to west going a-z with one syllable words and then starting over again a-z with 2 syllable words, and beginning with 3 syllable words but running out before they reach the county line. N-S they are numbered. There are a handful of old diagonal and meandering streets that are either "Roads" or "Boulevards."

DC has the same pattern, but the diagonals are Avenues named after the States.
footfootfoot • Jan 5, 2015 3:07 pm
Here's one that I think is brilliant:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 5, 2015 3:11 pm
You beast! :(
glatt • Jan 5, 2015 4:26 pm
What did you do with the corpses?
Gravdigr • Jan 5, 2015 6:00 pm
I bet he destroyed a good bit of the 'evidence'.
footfootfoot • Jan 5, 2015 7:00 pm
Took them for a ride in the country and left them where the coyotes might feast.
Gravdigr • Jan 6, 2015 11:19 am
He took 'em to CoyFC!

The Aussie version of KFC.
footfootfoot • Jan 6, 2015 3:49 pm
Coyote Frozen Chicken.

*full disclosure: I am only an honorary Colonel.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2015 8:08 pm
What? Oh, I thought you said honorable... [SIZE="1"]nevermind[/SIZE] :haha:
infinite monkey • Jan 23, 2015 8:32 pm
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Griff • Jan 24, 2015 8:23 am
:)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2015 12:51 am
I know China is down because of the one child policy but I wonder why the others fall below what I would expect to be in the 49% to 51% range?
Griff • Jan 25, 2015 8:13 am
You can't get real numbers in a closed society especially one where women are property.

edit add: There is a creepy factor to this. Women without rights can be killed without any state reaction. Thinking of the number of young males who are unattached with no hope of building a family... I'd go fucking jihadi.
Clodfobble • Jan 25, 2015 8:42 am
A number of factors could be in play--more random death for women in general in the name of honor, higher illness-leading-to-death because women aren't worth wasting medical care on, women killing baby daughters either to please their male relatives' need for boys, or to spare them from the life they have in store.

Even still, 23% in Qatar seems ridiculously low. I do wonder if that's partly due to under-reporting because the women aren't considered people.
Undertoad • Jan 25, 2015 9:37 am
According to the Internets, it's the incoming contractors in oil and construction.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/sep/26/qatar-migrants-how-changed-the-country

No wonder they made the stadium into a vagina.
classicman • Jan 26, 2015 10:07 pm
From here
Clodfobble • Jan 27, 2015 10:04 am
I can't say much about the other major cities, but yeah, Austin's stayed a high-growth area throughout the economic woes of the last decade. Even when the housing bubble burst, they kept right on building and successfully selling new homes right across the highway from me.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2015 3:20 am
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Griff • Jan 28, 2015 7:13 am
ooooo looks like a hump day opportunity!
Griff • Jan 28, 2015 7:59 am
btw... Texas did have a nice run from 2008 on up but you can plot other states from their individual bottoms to skew similarly.
footfootfoot • Jan 28, 2015 8:27 am
Undertoad;920234 wrote:

No wonder they made the stadium into a vagina.


The article calls it "accidental."

Riiiight, because sometimes a stadium is just a stadium.
Lamplighter • Jan 28, 2015 9:01 am
footfootfoot;920579 wrote:
...Riiiight, because sometimes a stadium is just a stadium.


:D
Clodfobble • Jan 28, 2015 11:35 am
Griff wrote:
btw... Texas did have a nice run from 2008 on up but you can plot other states from their individual bottoms to skew similarly.


Yeah but not every state... somebody had to go down for the overall US numbers to be at a loss. Admittedly, it could all just be Detroit.



I went looking for what the lone hit song about Thursday might be, and found it in the original article for Bruce's graphic: "Sweet Thursday," Johnny Mathis 1962.
Griff • Jan 28, 2015 10:07 pm
This is an interesting document with some interesting graphs and charts if someone knows how to clip them. The bottom line is a somewhat different economy in Texas. Texas had pretty consistent higher unemployment than the country as a whole until around 2006. From then on Texas performed better than the rest of the country. Now with energy prices sinking we'll see if its a sustainable thing.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2015 10:17 pm
Goats everywhere, The Washington Post has an interactive map where you can check county by county.
Lamplighter • Jan 28, 2015 11:31 pm
... literally every goat...


No way. Over the years I gotten many people's goats, and never given them back.
No one knows the number or where they are now.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2015 12:14 am
Obviously you left them, or they wandered to, Texas. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2015 2:44 am
Watch your fingers...
footfootfoot • Jan 29, 2015 1:32 pm
"I'll just reach up into this jointer and clear out the chips... I'll just reach under this mower and clear out the clogged grass... I'll just stick my hand into this snowblower to loosen up the packed snow... Let me look down into this barrel and see why the gun didn't go off..."

There's a youtube video of the last one. The guy won the Bronze medal in the Darwin competition.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 30, 2015 1:59 am
After you've mangled your hand (or what ever you're clearing the clog with, Studly) be careful driving to the hospital.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety Highway Loss Data Institute, reports some interesting results. Realize they are recording real world results so it's primarily on vehicles three years old.

In 1989 the reported, A 700% variation between model.(pdf)

In 2011 they reported, "Death rates by model: SUV drivers are among least likely to be killed".

There's a lot of information there. I don't agree with all of their theories or conclusions, but the data charted should be pretty straight foreword.
BigV • Jan 30, 2015 11:14 am
footfootfoot;920707 wrote:
"I'll just reach up into this jointer and clear out the chips... I'll just reach under this mower and clear out the clogged grass... I'll just stick my hand into this snowblower to loosen up the packed snow... Let me look down into this barrel and see why the gun didn't go off..."

There's a youtube video of the last one. The guy won the Bronze medal in the Darwin competition.


didn't the bill of his baseball cap get the gold?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 31, 2015 9:23 pm
Last year the TSA intercepted a record number of guns from carry-on bags. Wapo says 2,212, an average of six per day, with 83% of them loaded. I haven't heard of any of them being terrorist tied, though, and the numbers don't sound so bad when you consider they're frisking an average of1.8 MILLION people every day.
orthodoc • Jan 31, 2015 10:23 pm
footfootfoot;920707 wrote:
"I'll just reach up into this jointer and clear out the chips... I'll just reach under this mower and clear out the clogged grass... I'll just stick my hand into this snowblower to loosen up the packed snow... Let me look down into this barrel and see why the gun didn't go off..."


"I'll just disable the guard and reach into this machine that spins heavy metal at 2000 rpm so I can make the process go ... arrrrrgggghhh ..."

This is my Monday morning, every Monday. And Tuesday through Friday. I've gotta say, hope reigns eternal - everyone out there thinks he/she can shave a few seconds off of ... what? ... and eventually ends up in my clinic getting xrayed and stitched up, or treated for that third-degree burn from the plasma torch that (oops!) hit the ground and damn-the-switch-turned-on ...

I keep trying to put myself out of business (strange, I know), but these folks keep me in business.
BigV • Jan 31, 2015 11:02 pm
There's a reason it's called an accident.

Some of those are more preventable than others though.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2015 1:15 am
And some are called, 'hold my beer and watch this".

Then on very rare occasions...

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Lamplighter • Feb 1, 2015 12:27 pm
xoxoxoBruce;920946 wrote:
Last year the TSA intercepted a record number of guns from carry-on bags. Wapo says 2,212, an average of six per day, with 83% of them loaded. I haven't heard of any of them being terrorist tied, though, and the numbers don't sound so bad when you consider they're frisking an average of1.8 MILLION people every day.


However, all is not lost. There are federal surplus (recycling) centers all around the country...
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2015 9:38 pm
Lamplighter;920980 wrote:
However, all is not lost. There are federal surplus (recycling) centers all around the country...


They recycle, others in the same business fence. Image
footfootfoot • Feb 2, 2015 7:18 pm
Remember that video showing perceptions of wealth inequality vs. the reality of wealth inequality from a couple of years ago? Of course the data is outdated, the wealthiest one percent no longer own 40% of the world's wealth; it trickled down to all the rest of us. (ha ha! Not.) It's higher but I'm not sure I have the stomach to find out. Well the original final graph needed ten extra columns for the 1% to fit on the graph. Out of curiosity I wanted to see what the graph would look like if the 1% had only the single column. I did a little paste up and here it is. Phone viewers keep moving. Or scrolling...
Lamplighter • Feb 2, 2015 7:48 pm
They're using up all of my green ink
BigV • Feb 3, 2015 11:52 am
that makes me sick to my stomach
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 3, 2015 5:56 pm
That's a shame BigV, this may help... by making you puke.

•Almost half of the world’s wealth is now owned by just one percent of the population.
•The wealth of the one percent richest people in the world amounts to $110 trillion. That’s 65 times the total wealth of the bottom half of the world’s population.
•The bottom half of the world’s population owns the same as the richest 85 people in the world.
•Seven out of ten people live in countries where economic inequality has increased in the last 30 years.
•The richest one percent increased their share of income in 24 out of 26 countries for which we have data between 1980 and 2012.
•In the US, the wealthiest one percent captured 95 percent of post-financial crisis growth since 2009, while the bottom 90 percent became poorer.

Forbes
Lamplighter • Feb 4, 2015 9:48 am
The David Rumsey Map Collection is a cartography web site that has an on-line searchable database.
An article in Slate lead me to a section of 1880 maps communicable diseases, etc.

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This next map shows the number of deaths in 1898 due to measles per 100 deaths from known causes,
with the following comment:

While late-19th-century medicine didn&#8217;t yet have a vaccine for the disease,
doctors knew that it was easily transmissible. &#8220;Measles is a very infectious disease,&#8221;
warned Dr. John Dewar in an 1890 book written for mothers and titled What Ails The Baby?
&#8220;If a child be only taken into a room for a very short time, where another child is suffering from measles,
it is almost certain to take it.&#8221;

The 1898 map... shows a pattern of measles deaths that
is strikingly aligned with the course of the Mississippi River,
illustrating how transmission could have been aided by river travel,


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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 4, 2015 12:12 pm
This next map shows the number of deaths in 1898 due to measles per 100 deaths from known causes, with the following comment:

I think that should be 1,000.
Lamplighter • Feb 4, 2015 12:47 pm
Yes, xoB, you're right (again).

My mind was stuck on this 1880 map of measles, which
was the ratio of deaths due to measles among known causes.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 4, 2015 1:49 pm
That's a great collection of maps. I noticed this map, dated 1926, describing the pilgrims arrival in the New World.

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Some of the things they found were mysterious, remorseless savages, monstrous, sarcastic leopards, and colorful campgrounds.

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OMG the toadstools, tremble in terror before your toadstool overlords...

The map was created by Frederick Coulton Waugh a British ex-pat, cartoonist/illustrator/painter, son of marine artist Frederick Judd Waugh, and grandson of the Philadelphia portrait painter Samuel Waugh.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 7, 2015 1:44 am
Misery index...
pasbanfsd001 • Feb 7, 2015 4:25 am
It is pretty interesting...Catron County for example, which is desolate to begin with at about 3500 pop., has 12 black residents all of whom have bachelor's degrees.

____________
farasat
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 7, 2015 1:12 pm
What? :eyebrow:
Griff • Feb 7, 2015 3:51 pm
He's kinda new.
Gravdigr • Feb 13, 2015 4:49 pm
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From here, not much info.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2015 4:20 am
They feel safe making claims nobody lives long enough to refute. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 8, 2015 12:12 am
Tsk tsk, old blighty is slipping.

:idea:Or more technically advanced so they can get more of the zoom per once... er, gram.
glatt • Apr 8, 2015 8:58 am
242 oz?

Is that dry weight or actual prepared tea in a cup?

A box of tea weighs 2.37 oz and makes 40 cups. So 242 oz would be 4,084 cups of tea a year. Seems way too high, since 4,084 cups a year is 11 cups a day. So maybe it's prepared tea, which is about 6 ounces per cup. So 242 ounces divided by 6 is 40 cups a year. Or once every 9 days.

Which is more realistic? 11 cups a day or one cup every 9 days? I'd have to go with 11 cups a day, but that's just crazy. If you sleep 8 hours a day (unlikely consuming that much caffeine) you would be drinking 11 cups over 16 hours. Once every 90 minutes or so.

Making a cup of tea and drinking it is a mini-event. It takes time. You put the kettle on, wait for the water to heat, slowly sip the hot tea. It takes maybe 15 minutes for this mini-event. Or a sixth of your 90 minutes in
between each cup.

So in Turkey they spend one sixth of their life drinking tea.

I guess that's why they have these guys.
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Gravdigr • Apr 8, 2015 3:48 pm
Turkey...Do they use those little, teensy, tiny tea cups?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 8, 2015 8:17 pm
More UK stuff, a couple surprised me.
Lamplighter • Apr 8, 2015 8:40 pm
xoxoxoBruce;925572 wrote:
More UK stuff, a couple surprised me.


... and most of the Queens of Oregon are younger and prettier than the Duchess of Cornwall
Gravdigr • Apr 18, 2015 3:22 pm
Charts. Graphs. Too many. Too big.

The Cost(s) Of Attending A Major League Baseball Game

:speechls:
Gravdigr • Apr 18, 2015 4:03 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 20, 2015 9:58 pm
Still making it....
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 21, 2015 12:00 pm
Amazon is like a mall, lot's of sellers besides Amazon itself, selling from the Amazon tent.
I got intrigued by the number of sellers selling the same product and how the price spread and gimmicks like free shipping played out.
I did this a couple months ago so prices may not be current, and don't ask why I picked Oxi-Clean, I don't know. :blush:
glatt • Apr 21, 2015 12:30 pm
Looks like a lot of work to put that info together, but it IS interesting, and if I were buying oxi-clean, I'd want to know.
Gravdigr • Apr 22, 2015 3:39 pm
A cheat sheet for f-stop, shutter speed, and ISO:

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BigV • Apr 27, 2015 11:12 am
Gravdigr;926487 wrote:
A cheat sheet for f-stop, shutter speed, and ISO:

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Great post!

and the explainer.
Scopulus Argentarius • Apr 28, 2015 1:12 am
Gravdigr;926487 wrote:
A cheat sheet for f-stop, shutter speed, and ISO:

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As they say..worth a thousand or so....

A beaut, wouldn't you say?

and Thanks!
Gravdigr • Apr 28, 2015 4:04 pm
I thought it was quite handy. I rarely post actually useful stuff, so, :D.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 28, 2015 4:45 pm
What each state has more of per capita.

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The site has more detail, like...

ALASKA—veterans
The Last Frontier State is unfortunate in its per capita first place finishes for violent crime, rape, and gun violence, but America can find solace in Alaska having the highest percentage of veterans per capita, and by far the most bald eagles.

Or...
MISSISSIPPI—conservatives
Mississippi is tops for poverty, obesity, gonorrhea, high blood pressure, infant mortality, unemployment, access to high-speed internet, people who can’t afford food, residents on food stamps, and total deaths. However, the state’s name is the most fun to spell.

Maybe...
WASHINGTON
If you’d like your mail stolen or iPhone snatched or your car broken into you should move to Washington state. The state is tops for property crime and number of incidents is only increasing.
Gravdigr • Apr 28, 2015 6:18 pm
I'm too lazy to verify, but, I've heard that most of Kentucky tobacco is exported.

I actually thought Virginia made more tobacco.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 28, 2015 7:10 pm
KY?
Produces the most tobacco... [COLOR="Blue"]per capita[/COLOR].
Has the most smokers... [COLOR="blue"]per capita[/COLOR].
Highest rate of lung cancer... [COLOR="blue"]per capita[/COLOR].
Most cancer deaths... [COLOR="blue"]per capita[/COLOR].

Not saying it's true, just each statement is qualified.
Lamplighter • Apr 28, 2015 8:06 pm
Oregon's problem of "Selling cigarettes to Children" is easily explained.

Adults can not afford them.
Gravdigr • Apr 29, 2015 3:15 pm
xoxoxoBruce;926970 wrote:
KY?
Produces the most tobacco... [COLOR="Blue"]per capita[/COLOR].
Has the most smokers... [COLOR="blue"]per capita[/COLOR].
Highest rate of lung cancer... [COLOR="blue"]per capita[/COLOR].
Most cancer deaths... [COLOR="blue"]per capita[/COLOR].

Not saying it's true, just each statement is qualified.


Ok, [COLOR="Blue"]I get it[/COLOR].
Ok, [COLOR="Blue"]I get it[/COLOR].
Ok, [COLOR="Blue"]I get it[/COLOR].
Ok, [COLOR="Blue"]I get it[/COLOR].
Gravdigr • Apr 29, 2015 3:18 pm
Richest people in each state, according to this, anyway.

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Third one of these I've seen this year.
infinite monkey • Apr 29, 2015 4:01 pm
How the fuck do they say Ohio has the highest per capita of 'potty mouths?' What kind of shitty surveying is that? Some goddam mother fuckers walk around qualifying and quantifying potty coming out of a bunch of stupid assholes' mouths?

Joking aside, it is pretty fucking stupid. In all seriousness...it's bullshit probably not based in any damn kind of scientific statistics. /sarcasm font, sort of. ;)
BigV • Apr 29, 2015 4:16 pm
you said it!
Undertoad • Apr 29, 2015 4:23 pm
As a Pennsylvanian, the only thing I have to say about that is I'lllll be hoooooome for Christmaaaaas...
Lamplighter • Apr 29, 2015 4:40 pm
People from Ohio like to be called "Buckeyes"
Buckeyes are "potty-mouthed" nuts from the Fetid Buckeye tree.
Spexxvet • May 4, 2015 10:23 am
Via Sycamore on Facebook
https://thenib.com/are-you-against-gay-marriage-because-the-bible-f67c2d12231c
Gravdigr • May 5, 2015 2:30 pm
Yeah...You know what was conveniently left out of all that bullshit?

Forgiveness.

You can be forgiven for everything in that, that, whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit.

And all it takes is asking.

You don't have to be perfect. Just forgiven.
fargon • May 5, 2015 2:38 pm
Gravdigr;927634 wrote:


Forgiveness.

And all it takes is asking.

You don't have to be perfect. Just forgiven.


All you have to do is ask, and forgiveness will be given to you.
Because God said so.
glatt • May 12, 2015 9:25 am
Spotify music choice data crunching suggests that as we age, we stop listening to pop music and become more settled in our preferences. Or put another way, old people listen to old music.

This spiral shows that over time, people listen to less popular artists.
(A couple other charts at the link above show other music trends by gender and parenthood.)



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Gravdigr • May 16, 2015 4:31 pm
Ida posted 'em, but, they're too many, and, too big.

Historical vs. Modern: Comparing Processing Power of Various Electronic Devices

Example:

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Griff • May 17, 2015 7:24 am
Interesting graph is in the video.

Have you ever felt like the government doesn’t really care what you think?

Professors Martin Gilens (Princeton University) and Benjamin I. Page (Northwestern University) looked at more than 20 years worth of data to answer a simple question: Does the government represent the people?

Their study took data from nearly 2000 public opinion surveys and compared it to the policies that ended up becoming law. In other words, they compared what the public wanted to what the government actually did. What they found was extremely unsettling: The opinions of 90% of Americans have essentially no impact at all.
xoxoxoBruce • May 17, 2015 10:41 am
Griff's video for those avoiding links.

[YOUTUBE]5tu32CCA_Ig[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • May 17, 2015 2:04 pm
That should be shown in schools.
Clodfobble • May 17, 2015 5:38 pm
Followed it through to the video linked in the upper right at the end. Their plan to fix it actually seems pretty solid. Their first target for city-wide anti-corruption laws for politicians, Tallahassee, got passed last year. This year they're looking to add more cities, and hopefully a state or two. Local is the way to go.
Spexxvet • May 18, 2015 9:43 am
Gravdigr;928789 wrote:
That should be shown in schools.


It should be mandatory to watch before you vote
Gravdigr • May 22, 2015 2:28 pm
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Sundae • May 27, 2015 10:14 am
I liked me some TsingTao back in the day. It goes really well with Chinese take-aways, don't cha know.

I'm surprised not to see Cobra (Indian beer favoured over here too) on the chart.

But I can attest that if you ask for a lager in Amsterdam you will get Heineken every time. In half litre glasses that are 4/5 beer and 1/5 head. So everyone who goes to Amsterdam gets head one way or another.
It's actually a perfect tourist beer, especially in the hot weather. Light and not too gassy (that's all in the froth).

It's the African versions of familiar beers you have to watch out for.
They're usually brewed locally under licence to contain more alcohol than in their country of origin, and the heat means you sweat all the useful liquid out far too quickly, making you thirsty, so you have another...
And over here (England) beers in Afro-Caribbean areas re-import them. You can get in real trouble drinking with Jamaicans, trust me. And I'm not talking about the men.
xoxoxoBruce • May 27, 2015 7:36 pm
And in the US there are currently around 3500 breweries, however of the top ten beers in sales, six come from Anheuser-Busch.
glatt • May 27, 2015 7:47 pm
Aren't those all technically foreign beers since interbev owns them?
xoxoxoBruce • May 27, 2015 9:37 pm
Where does it say they are American beers?
classicman • May 28, 2015 12:27 pm
from here http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/05/27/a-body-count-in-qatar-illustrates-the-consequences-of-fifa-corruption/
xoxoxoBruce • May 28, 2015 1:48 pm
Pantone, shmantone, that's for the peasants. The US Government has its own standards, called Federal Standard 595C.
You can buy the 595 3"x5" color chips for only $50... EACH.
Gravdigr • May 28, 2015 2:29 pm
xoxoxoBruce;929554 wrote:
You can buy the 595 3"x5" color chips for only $50... EACH.


May as well get the whole set:

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xoxoxoBruce • May 29, 2015 7:36 pm
When Americans die most.
gvidas • Jun 4, 2015 9:34 pm
Interactive infographic w/ pictures documenting everyone killed in the US by police.

Spoiler alert: It's a lot of people.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#
Gravdigr • Jun 28, 2015 2:54 pm
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classicman • Jun 28, 2015 9:54 pm
No way ... BaceFook isn't on there...
Clodfobble • Jun 28, 2015 10:02 pm
They might have counted it under "religious activities."
Gravdigr • Jun 29, 2015 3:57 pm
...or 'socializing & communicating'.

I'm assuming masturbation comes under (or all over<---:lol2:) 'other leisure'.
Gravdigr • Jun 29, 2015 4:47 pm
Not so much a chart or graph:

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Gravdigr • Jul 7, 2015 5:11 pm
I've lost the article connected with this chart, probably found fairly easily, but, not by me, I'm lazy.

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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 7, 2015 5:36 pm
Link for the above chart.

The researchers conducted the survey of 4,000 adults in an attempt to answer the question of how many Americans own a firearm — and why — amid a lack of overall data and statistics on gun ownership.

So they asked an average of 78 people from each state, who were willing to participate in a poll, willing reveal to strangers what guns they have at home, and none of which lied. Image

The feds claim there are well over 200 million guns in the US, so looking at those numbers some people must have more than one. Imagine that.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 7, 2015 7:41 pm
The fiscal condition of each state.
glatt • Jul 7, 2015 8:34 pm
I doubt DC has the gun ownership that chart shows.
Happy Monkey • Jul 7, 2015 9:15 pm
Yeah... That's pretty high. I wonder how the statistics math works out if you divide your sample into subgroups, and then provide statistics on them.

4000 may be a decent sample size for the nation, but how many DC residents were in the 4000, and are they a decent sample for DC?
Happy Monkey • Jul 8, 2015 5:58 pm
How much happiness can you buy?
How much money do you need to make in your state before more money doesn't really make you all that happier? We created a map so you could find out.

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Lamplighter • Jul 8, 2015 10:03 pm
Do you think it would take only about $10k for a person in Mississippi to be as "happy" as the people in Nevada ?

I think it would take a lot more than that for all those states
down thru Wyoming ... something more like a moving van
Undertoad • Jul 8, 2015 10:28 pm
To sum up

Are you upper middle class?

It doesn't get much better than that, huh! The fuck you want to trade your Audi in for a Beemer? Hey, more money more problems, am I right? Here, if you're going in the kitchen, refresh my scotch.
BigV • Jul 8, 2015 10:45 pm
One company's new minimum wage: $70,000 / year

The idea began percolating, said Dan Price, the founder of Gravity Payments, after he read an article on happiness. It showed that, for people who earn less than about $70,000, extra money makes a big difference in their lives.

His idea bubbled into reality on Monday afternoon, when Mr. Price surprised his 120-person staff by announcing that he planned over the next three years to raise the salary of even the lowest-paid clerk, customer service representative and salesman to a minimum of $70,000.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 8, 2015 10:56 pm
Lamplighter;933074 wrote:
Do you think it would take only about $10k for a person in Mississippi to be as "happy" as the people in Nevada ?

What they're saying is folks in Mississippi with $65k are as happy as in Nevada with $75k because of the difference in costs.
Happy Monkey • Jul 9, 2015 11:12 am
I think it's along the lines of where your attitude flips from "it could be worse" to "it could be better". Buying a better car/house is nice, but not as awesome as your first car/house. Diminishing returns, essentially.
Gravdigr • Jul 9, 2015 3:40 pm
Looks like we need to retire to Mississippi.[/fuckthatshit]

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From HuffPo
Undertoad • Jul 9, 2015 3:47 pm
I don't understand... the Amazon Prime price for everything is the same, except for AK and HI.
Gravdigr • Jul 9, 2015 3:54 pm
Amazon's warehouses are distributed so that all warehouses are the exact same distance from any house in the lower forty-eight.

Or not.

:D
Clodfobble • Jul 9, 2015 4:17 pm
I wonder how NY would look if it were separated into NYC and the rest of the state. Or California into greater Los Angeles, greater San Francisco, and everything else.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 9, 2015 4:50 pm
Coal isn't going away, and you can't blame it all on China. Many third world countries are increasing coal burning, even if they have to buy it from exporting countries, because it's cheaper.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 15, 2015 1:02 pm
Lawsuits against the police.
Gravdigr • Jul 30, 2015 5:45 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 30, 2015 11:53 pm
Who's not online... nobody here.
infinite monkey • Jul 31, 2015 7:42 am
Who
Gravdigr • Jul 31, 2015 2:18 pm
First base.
Undertoad • Aug 1, 2015 9:49 am
Go to college, they said, you'll make more money they said

If we educate our society we will all be rich they said

"The most educated generation in history is on track to becoming less prosperous, at least financially, than its predecessors."

Welcome to the new era; your Uber driver has an Masters in Psychology and cannot get an office job for shit because there are thousands of MS Psychs just like him/her.

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NY Times story
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 1, 2015 10:31 am
They stressed education and competition because they charge you for it.
The real path to better living for the masses, is cooperation and solidarity.
Lamplighter • Aug 1, 2015 11:24 am
EARNING MUCH LESS, DESPITE MORE EDUCATION


Sheez... "median" statistics used by a Wall Street financier whose final goals
are reducing entitlements and the federal debt, and who makes no mention
of the effect of the 2008 disaster due to the banking industry's fraudulent
manipulation of "derivatives", with their impact of subsequent high levels of
unemployment and/or under-employment for the next 7 years.

Table 440:
Distribution of earnings and median earnings of persons 25 years old and over,
by highest level of educational attainment and sex: 2011
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 1, 2015 12:02 pm
How do they determine the highest level of sex? Frequency? Variety? Closest to a pig's 30 minute orgasm?
Gravdigr • Aug 1, 2015 5:14 pm
xoxoxoBruce;935093 wrote:
How do they determine the highest level of sex?


Altitude?
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2015 1:55 am
I wonder why they didn't just use sales figures?
glatt • Aug 2, 2015 8:39 am
Grey Goose? Never even heard of it.

And why isn't it Gray Goose?
Clodfobble • Aug 2, 2015 8:52 am
Because it's vodka, and all good comrades know that A is for American capitalist pigs, but E is for Everyone loves vodka.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2015 10:02 am
France.
Gravdigr • Aug 2, 2015 4:49 pm
glatt;935140 wrote:
Grey Goose? Never even heard of it.


:eek:

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Crown Royal/[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]Jager[/COLOR] for KY:

That's the younger app-happy generation skewing the results. The bottle of Jager at the bar I go to most regularly has dust on it. Literally.
Gravdigr • Aug 2, 2015 4:52 pm
Overall it's a shootout between Jack and Fireball. Can't stand Fireball, I'm not wild about anything cinnamon.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2015 11:20 am
Trump should shut up and stop bad mouthing Mexico, we owe them money.
Gravdigr • Aug 13, 2015 3:52 pm
Send Mexico a baby-sitting bill for taking care of all these Mexicans we got...That should more than balance things out.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 14, 2015 11:45 pm
Good article on how people are spending their time. It also break it down by age groups at the link.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 15, 2015 11:15 pm
Water usage per capita, by state. As you can plainly see PA and NJ, has shaken off the outmoded notion of cleanliness. ;)
footfootfoot • Aug 16, 2015 8:41 am
Maine's got them all beat. But to be fair it's hard to use water when 9 months out of the year it's frozen.
Clodfobble • Aug 16, 2015 1:04 pm
My mom was visiting her brother recently in California--you know, the place with the record-setting drought? And he starts showing her his flower garden, and my mom asks what his watering days are.

Because in Texas, you see, we understand what the word drought means, and we have watering restrictions--addresses ending in 1 water on Monday only, and only for ten minutes, and only between the hours of 7 pm and 9 am so it doesn't just evaporate in seconds... And this isn't a new or emergency measure, that's just what we all do in the summer every year, and sometimes during the winter too, because them's the rules.

And she describes what she means, and he has absolutely no idea what she's talking about. Because there is no such thing in CA, because they are idiots.
fargon • Aug 16, 2015 1:11 pm
I left California because of idiots. I'm a Native Californian.
Gravdigr • Aug 16, 2015 1:54 pm
WTF is up with Hawaii? 165??? Doesn't it rain like three times a day in Hawaii?

Swimming pools, maybe...
footfootfoot • Aug 17, 2015 9:01 pm
How is California like granola?

Once you take away the fruits and flakes all that is left are the nuts.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 17, 2015 10:50 pm
Counties ranked by "Natural Beauty".
Lamplighter • Aug 17, 2015 11:10 pm
The US Dept of Agriculture fails in so many ways.
Economic development is a contradiction of subjective values.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 18, 2015 12:55 am
Immigrants are doing what? Where?
Lamplighter • Aug 18, 2015 2:47 am
Lamplighter;936408 wrote:
The US Dept of Agriculture fails in so many ways.
Economic development is a contradiction of subjective values.


USDA seems to think Washington State has 3 counties of low beauty.
Here are some pics of those counties:

SKAMANIA County:

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Lamplighter • Aug 18, 2015 2:49 am
Here are Lincoln and Adams counties:

LINCOLN County:

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ADAMS County:

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Undertoad • Aug 18, 2015 8:20 am
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glatt • Aug 18, 2015 8:55 am
xoxoxoBruce;936407 wrote:
Counties ranked by "Natural Beauty".


I'm with Lamp on this one. Where's my torch and pitchfork?

How can Los Angeles be considered more beautiful than some of the most pretty spots in upstate New York?
footfootfoot • Aug 18, 2015 10:17 am
Those waterfalls are all blurry. That's gonna drop the beauty score a few points right there.
Gravdigr • Aug 18, 2015 3:25 pm
xoxoxoBruce;936415 wrote:
Immigrants are doing what? Where?


The Kentucky portion of that map is complete and utter horseshit. Here, it's farm and construction laborers. Oh, and, waitresses in Mexican restaurants.

Musta been based on legal immigrants.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 18, 2015 4:32 pm
When I saw teachers I figured it was legals.
Gravdigr • Aug 18, 2015 5:36 pm
When I saw 'teachers' I thought I misread it.
Griff • Aug 19, 2015 7:38 am
Lamplighter;936408 wrote:
The US Dept of Agriculture fails in so many ways.

It strikes me as ironic that they use a scale from brown for ugly to green for beautiful and then label the dry brown places beautiful and the lush green places ugly...
Gravdigr • Aug 19, 2015 1:33 pm
Gooberment
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2015 4:49 pm
I thought they might have based it on tourist activity, but I see Cape Cod is light green average, and that's swarming with tourists.
Gravdigr • Aug 25, 2015 2:44 pm
I couldn't help but notice that 'NYPD Blue' is not on this list. That was the best series finale, second only to 'Breaking Bad', that I've ever seen. It was perfectly fitting.

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Happy Monkey • Aug 25, 2015 4:13 pm
Heh, Six Feet Under had an excellent finale, but couldn't have a big arrow, because there wasn't enough room above it.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 25, 2015 4:27 pm
Maybe when they asked people if they liked the 'NYPD Blue' finale, the pollsters got punch by fans disgruntled it was ending. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 26, 2015 1:35 pm
"I compared the share for each model in, for instance, Alabama with the share of the same of model in the United States and came up with a ratio," says Libby. "Then I basically ranked those ratios within each state. It's an interesting methodology—you're basically able to compare the individual demand of a model in a state with the individual demand at the national level, and see what ways is each state unique from the nation."

"The data does reveal interesting patterns," says Libby. "And because based on registration data from the Department of Motor Vehicles, it's census data. It's not sample based. It's not something where I think it's this, you think it's that. It's hard data. It's irrefutable." In other words: if you're not pleased with your state's unofficial state car, blame your neighbors, not the numbers.
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Griff • Aug 26, 2015 9:31 pm
Oddly, I am indeed driving a Mitsu Outlander Sport. I've realized that I want to be driving and old Jeep CJ. How do I make that work?
Undertoad • Aug 26, 2015 9:37 pm
Well first you salt the Mitsu and leave it out for a season until it rusts.
Griff • Aug 26, 2015 9:42 pm
I'm with you so far.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 26, 2015 10:04 pm
Rip out all the electronics and amenities, put on uncomfortably stiff springs, and loosen the head bolts to lose power and make it unreliable. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2015 2:15 am
Here you go, Griff.
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Griff • Aug 27, 2015 7:05 am
Well that didn't help one bit. :)
footfootfoot • Aug 27, 2015 9:45 pm
Despite 11 years of driving past the dealership that proudly displays one, my son saw an SSR for the first time yesterday and I thought his brain was going to explode. This led to a discussion of SSRs in particular and concept cars in general. On the return trip we passed it once more and again he went mental. I think he might become a motor head. We need to visit a good site with photos of customized SSRs. cough*Bruce*cough.

Good thing he isn't a dog or we'd forever be pulling quills from his muzzle.

This also led into a discussion of misbegotten cars (Pontiac Aztek) I promised to show him probably the ugliest car ever built
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2015 11:17 pm
The best bet for maximum return on time invested, is Google SSR and click images. Lots of mild to wild paint jobs. I know who more than half of them belong to.
Griff • Aug 28, 2015 7:06 am
footfootfoot;937309 wrote:


This also led into a discussion of misbegotten cars (Pontiac Aztek) I promised to show him probably the ugliest car ever built


Was anyone held responsible for that?
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 28, 2015 10:03 am
We don't discuss internal personnel matters outside the company, now please leave before I call security. :crone:

Some people liked it, but most of them lost their drivers license when they were committed to Wolf's care. It was aimed a the young couple starting up the ladder of success, unfortunately it turns out those people had good taste.
BigV • Aug 28, 2015 12:42 pm
I found this video instructive.

I used to own a Mazda RX-4 wagon with a rotormotor. It was deceptively quick. And that motor loved to rev, it was like an electric motor. You could just fling the tachometer needle around the dial.

Anyhow, it's been something of a mental mechanical blindspot for me as to how the force was transmitted from the rotor to the crank. This video helped. Especially the view at 8:40.
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Also this video (which is ... it's not as tasty but still instructive) at 2:10.
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Watching the position of the offset lobe of the crank "be pushed" by the rotor when the compression chamber was "behind" the lobe. It has been a stumbling block for me to separate the ring gear/crank gear function from where the power was being transmitted.

Anyhow, genius design, a treat to drive. I never owned mine long enough to bemoan the reliability problems. Still... quite an engine.
Gravdigr • Aug 28, 2015 12:57 pm
Mazda RX-4 wagon...Those were...uh...They looked...They had character?:o
BigV • Aug 28, 2015 3:28 pm
It occurs to me that this bit of drift properly belongs in the Rims thread.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 28, 2015 3:40 pm
Not drift from the expanded scope, it's car related. My brother races those motors, they are impressive performers. GM paid a ton of money to license them but they couldn't find a way to make them emission compliant... neither could Mazda.
BigV • Aug 28, 2015 3:46 pm
I watched several vids on the motor, rebuilding, remaking, porting, hotrodding, etc.

What's your brother's opinion of the spark slit versus spark hole discussion?
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 28, 2015 3:58 pm
I haven't asked, we diverge in automotive paths of interest, although they sometimes cross.
He was always into sports cars, is a past president of the SCCA region #2 (northeast), then their rep on the National board.
I was into hot rods, customs, motorcycles, and drag racing... and a curmudgeon. :D
footfootfoot • Sep 17, 2015 10:03 am
http://lifehacker.com/this-graphic-explains-20-cognitive-biases-that-affect-y-1730901381

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Gravdigr • Sep 17, 2015 5:24 pm
xoxoxoBruce;937416 wrote:
I was into hot rods, customs, motorcycles, and drag racing... and a curmudgeon. :D


What was his name, and why were you so into him?

:madhop:
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 18, 2015 11:16 am
Clarified...
Gravdigr • Sep 23, 2015 11:01 am
Selfies kill more people than sharks.

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Waitwhut?
Clodfobble • Sep 23, 2015 4:02 pm
Good.

I mean, uh, that was probably not the nicest thing to say, I'm sure I meant something nicer. Let me get back to you on that.
Undertoad • Sep 24, 2015 8:44 am
Knee jerk assumptions department: after 50 years of cleaning up vehicle engine emissions, what's worse for the environment: a 6210cc engine Ford F150 truck, or a 30cc engine leaf blower?

Not even close.

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In fact the car and truck actually cleaned the air:

Only by measuring what goes into and out of the vehicle and comparing the differences can the vehicle's contribution to emissions be accurately assessed.

Here's why you should care. When the Raptor (and the Fiat) was running Phase 2 of its tests on the dyno, it was cleaning the air of hydrocarbons. Yes, there were actually fewer hydrocarbons in the Raptor's exhaust than in the air it &#8212; and we &#8212; breathed. In the Raptor's case, the ambient air contained 2.821 ppm of total hydrocarbons, and the amount of total hydrocarbons coming out the Raptor's tailpipe measured 2.639 ppm.

So if you want to go green, ditch the yard equipment and blow leaves using a Raptor.


http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/emissions-test-car-vs-truck-vs-leaf-blower.html
Happy Monkey • Sep 30, 2015 12:11 pm
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Remarkably dishonest graph.
The two lines are on completely different vertical scales, which would be somewhat dishonest if both scales were labeled and started at zero, and more dishonest if they were labeled and did not start at zero. This is worse - unlabeled, and different start points, so both the position and slope of the lines is completely arbitrary. 900000 < 300000? The pink line goes down (by the numbers) about 50%, but the slope of the line is about the same as the brown line, which goes up a bit over 10%?

And why cancer screenings? It's not like Planned Parenthood only does cancer screenings and abortions. Answer - because cancer screenings have been downplayed in recent years, and decreasing them has been suggested by major medical groups. So it's one of the few things they do that has gone down over that period.

And, related to both issues above - they only took two data points, 2006 and 2013, but put all of the intervening years on the horizontal scale. This makes it seem as if the rates were (at least somewhat) constant. A more granular line might (note that I haven't actually seen a more granular version, so this is hypothetical) show, for example, the year(s) that cancer screening policies might have changed, which would lead to explanations.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2015 12:18 pm
I'd suspect with Obamacare, more poor women have insurance coverage which will cover many of the things they use to get from a Planned Parenthood clinic.
Lamplighter • Sep 30, 2015 2:52 pm
Happy Monkey;940485 wrote:


Remarkably dishonest graph.<snip>


HappyMonkey accurately describes this graph.
It's important to follow the 2 links.

It was presented during Congressional Hearings (yesterday) on Planned Parenthood
--- and falsely presented as being from "Planned Parenthood's Quarterly Report".

But Ms Richards (CEO of PP) countered that the source was actually
the anti-abortion group shown at the bottom of HM's posting.

It was quite an embarrassing moment for Chairman Chaffetz.

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2015 5:13 pm
Lamplighter;940505 wrote:
It was quite an embarrassing moment for Chairman Chaffetz.

I'm surprised, I didn't think those clowns ever got embarrassed by their fellow clowns antics anymore. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2015 2:15 am
WaPo charts what kind of dwelling people live in, single, attached(row and town), multi-units, or mobiles.
Lamplighter • Oct 1, 2015 10:40 am
That is interesting to me. Do you have a link ?

I have issues comparing things just based on %.
That is, LA is spread out over an enormous area, compared with most other cities.
Also, the % of LA housing of >50 units doesn't seem right
compared with my image of an eastern city like Philadelphia.

Sorting the cities by size might be more informative.
Lamplighter • Oct 1, 2015 11:00 am
xoxoxoBruce;940521 wrote:
I'm surprised, I didn't think those clowns ever got embarrassed by their fellow clowns antics anymore. :rolleyes:


Kevin McCarthy thought that what happens on Fox News stays on Fox News.

Oooooops ~

Gail Collins - The Opinion Pages: NY Times - 10/1/15
“Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right?
But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee.
What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping,”

Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy bragged to Sean Hannity on Fox News.
McCarthy is hoping to succeed John Boehner as speaker,
and he’s probably nervous about all the praise Boehner
has been getting lately for evenhanded leadership.

McCarthy’s remarks sounded awful to innocent bystanders
— aren’t these things supposed to at least pretend to be fair?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2015 1:19 pm
Lamplighter;940588 wrote:
That is interesting to me. Do you have a link ?
Sure, http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/21/the-most-popular-type-of-home-in-every-major-american-city-charted/

I have issues comparing things just based on %.
% of each type of dwelling in each city, is the point. Population is irrelevant. Occams razor.

That is, LA is spread out over an enormous area, compared with most other cities.
Also, the % of LA housing of >50 units doesn't seem right
compared with my image of an eastern city like Philadelphia.

WaPo wrote:
L.A., for its part, is often described as a poster child for sprawl (an accusation aimed at both the city itself and the broader metropolitan area). But L.A. is actually one of the denser places in America, thanks to its many modest-scale multi-family buildings.


Sorting the cities by size might be more informative.

See answer #2 above.
Lamplighter • Oct 1, 2015 1:55 pm
I'm still having a hard time with that link's description of LA.
It seems to be based on a sub-link to the following article...

Measuring Sprawl
A New Index, Recent Trends, and Future Research

Urban Affairs Review Thomas Laidley 33/2/15

... In fact, six of the top 10 least sprawling metros in the country are in California:
L.A., San Francisco, San Jose, Salinas, Santa Barbara and San Diego.
Seven of ten are on the West Coast. Outside of that, Chicago ranks seventh and,
also surprisingly, auto-oriented Miami is tenth.

The East Coast metros of Philadelphia, Boston and D.C. all fail to make the top 10 list.


I'm not quite believing this either.
It just doesn't fit what I remember about LA, SF, SJ and SD,
as compared with Chicago and Boston from my lifetime living
and working in or around those areas.

I'd love to be on this sociology student's Doctorial Thesis Committee.
[OJ] If it doesn't fit, you can't convict. [/OJ] :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2015 8:06 pm
Lamplighter;940619 wrote:
I'd love to be on this sociology student's Doctorial Thesis Committee.

I'll bet you would, how dare his facts and measurements not match you opinion and remembered perceptions.
Torches and pitchforks! String him up, hound him out of academia.
We won't acquit, 'cause he don't fit, we'll box his ears, the little shit.
Undertoad • Oct 8, 2015 12:15 am
Map of anthropogenic CO2 emissions

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Undertoad • Oct 8, 2015 12:17 am
but that is neither a graph nor a chart.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 8, 2015 2:01 am
What are the green lines, shipping channels, flight lines?
Lamplighter • Oct 8, 2015 2:09 am
Undertoad;941209 wrote:
but that is neither a graph nor a chart.



Undertoad;939918 wrote:
Knee jerk assumptions department: after 50 years of cleaning up vehicle engine emissions,
what's worse for the environment: a 6210cc engine Ford F150 truck, or a 30cc engine leaf blower?

Not even close.
...
In fact the car and truck actually cleaned the air:

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/emissions-test-car-vs-truck-vs-leaf-blower.html


UT, when I read your posts such as these, I assume you are allusively addressing climate change.
And they give me the impression you believe that either it does not exist, it is not man-made,
it is not worth worrying about, and/or nothing can/should be done about it.

For example, in the earlier post cited above, your comment seems to be that
those autos' exhaust are less polluting than the exhaust from leaf blowers.
But the table in that post does not extend the quantities of pollutants to totals
based on number of units (cars vs blowers) and the number of hours each would be in (worldwide) operation.

Likewise, does the "CO" in your table refer to carbon monoxide only, or both carbon mono- and di-oxides ?
My understanding is that concerns over climate change are primarily an issue of carbon dioxide,
and so your table and comment do not seem to focus on climate change, per se.

Have you formed specific opinions for yourself about arthropogenic climate change,
and what, if anything, should or could done about it ?

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glatt • Oct 8, 2015 8:19 am
xoxoxoBruce;941213 wrote:
What are the green lines, shipping channels, flight lines?


Gotta be shipping. They go around land masses instead of across them.
Undertoad • Oct 8, 2015 8:35 am
Lamplighter;941216 wrote:
UT, when I read your posts such as these, I assume you are allusively addressing climate change.


LL my position on almost everything is Politics Makes Us Stupid.

What happens is, once an issue becomes political, we change the nature of how we discuss it and immediately the facts are less important than winning the argument on behalf of "our side".

Immediately we only digest the facts that are important to us, and interpret everything as if we were aiming to "win"

Even when we don't do that ourselves, everyone else does it; we get our information from everyone else; and after a while, we're ALL Stupid.

And the worst part: scientists are now political. Global warming doesn't necessarily doom us. Science becoming political DEFINITELY DOES. It's the very worst thing EVER. It's a total DISASTER.

That's my position.
Lamplighter • Oct 8, 2015 10:20 am
I thought I was asking a straightforward question, not researching your philosophy of politics.

As far as that goes, you certainly can have whatever beliefs you want about politics.
In a serious way, that is what politics comes to... the interaction of beliefs.

There certainly are instances where scientists have entered the political arena, for various reasons.
But to argue that science has become political and is dooming us is only your own political spin.

If you have decided, for yourself, that "global warming doesn't necessarily doom us"
that comes closest to answering my question.

Of course, I disagree with your position that "Politics make us stupid".
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 8, 2015 11:42 am
Scientists don't "choose" to enter the political arena, they are all in it, as are you and I.
You don't seem to understand that what we call scientists are not gurus on a mountain top, but people who work for someone. As such, like anyone in any occupation, must to be concerned with their future groceries. They are told what to work on, what will be funded, and unfortunately in some cases the results desired.

While Joe Scientist may be pure as the driven snow(although that purity is in question), they are controlled by the people holding the purse strings. People who are always politically aware of the implications. Where the money comes from, and what it must be spent on to insure the reputation of the institution as a worthy recipient for more groceries. These days, the large sums of money trickled down to scientists is controlled by the politics of the benefactors.

When global warming was first investigated, it appeared to be happening, appeared to be influenced by human activities, and scientists seeking funding proposed investigating most every subject which could tie into it. This produced tons of reports on what human activity contributes to global warming. Although the predictions of how bad it would get, and when, were hotly debated.

Now what should we do to mitigate this problem? Ah, the fly in the ointment. Some people/industries will be greatly affected, if not devastated, by these solutions, so will fight tooth and nail. First we change the name to climate change, because global warming and the local weather reports, confuse non-scientists. Then the hundreds of contributing activities had to be pared down to the worst few. Fluorocarbons were tagged and there was not much resistance because it meant profitable solutions were an opportunity. Although methane is worse, they finally decided CO was the one to be named the bad guy, the one to grace their banners and shields as they rode off to battle the skeptics, who are fueled(financed) by those who would bear the brunt of regulations.

So from the scientist worrying about groceries, to the battles in the halls of congress, it's all controlled by politics(money). By nit picking mono vs Di, oxides, you show you completely miss what's going on here in reality, which is politics.
Undertoad • Oct 8, 2015 12:34 pm
If you have decided, for yourself, that "global warming doesn't necessarily doom us" that comes closest to answering my question.


It very much informs me that this is the debate. Apocalypse is a narrative we humans are very attracted to, and we always share. The end of the world is nigh. When we believe something is the end of the world, it is extremely important that we share this information and convince everyone. Even rumors about the end of the world are widely shared. Every religion includes it. Some say environmental apocalypse is our modern replacement for religion.
glatt • Oct 8, 2015 12:41 pm
That reminds me that I heard that somebody was saying the world was going to end like yesterday or today or something?

*does quick search*

Oh phew...
It was yesterday. Still here. We're cool.

Carry on.
Lamplighter • Oct 8, 2015 12:55 pm
Undertoad;941252 wrote:
It very much informs me that this is the debate.
Apocalypse is a narrative we humans are very attracted to, and we always share.
The end of the world is nigh. ...


Actually, UT, such is the result of excessive exaggeration. To wit:
Undertoad;941229 wrote:

...
And the worst part: scientists are now political.
Global warming doesn't necessarily doom us.
Science becoming political DEFINITELY DOES.
It's the very worst thing EVER. It's a total DISASTER.

That's my position.



The "scientific questions" are:
Is climate warming real (regardless of cause(s)) ?
If it is, what are the consequences ?
If these are serious, can we (mankind) do anything about it ?

My question to you was along the lines of how do you answer such questions ?
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Undertoad • Oct 8, 2015 12:58 pm
Let's put this discussion into this thread where I've already said a bunch of stuff:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=30453
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 14, 2015 12:33 pm
The story of Amtrak is one of a crooked bailout where we, as we so often do, get left holding the bag for a bunch of rich corporate criminals. First, they looted Penn Central’s subsidiaries by making them pay dividends to the parent company, so they got paid while running those companies into the ground. Secondly, they secretly sold off their shares while this dividend scam was making it look like the company was doing well. So they got paid a second time. Thirdly, when the company was on the rocks, they went to the government and said “The rail system is too big to fail!” and got a bailout to the tune of $750 million, getting paid a third time. The US got CONRAIL (the freight system) and Amtrak. CONRAIL was sold and became a private company in 1986, and rapidly became profitable. Amtrak has never turned a profit in its existence and is run by the Department of Transportation. So if you’ve ever wondered why it sucks so much (and I am an enthusiastic Amtrak rider), now you know.

link
Lamplighter • Oct 14, 2015 1:33 pm
Fun and games with tables and graphs... from here

Country___Population_______Area____Density__Spending/Density

China__1,313,973,713___3,600,927___365 _______0.351

US______298,444,215___3,539,225____84_______0.017

UK_______60,609,153______93,278___650_______0.009


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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 14, 2015 1:48 pm
But that link says:
Canada[COLOR="White"]...... [/COLOR] Population = 33,098,932[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Land Area(sq mi) = 3,560,217[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] Density(per sq mi) = 9

But Canada aint got no sq mi, only sq kilometers. :p: :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2015 2:04 pm
Trippin'
glatt • Oct 26, 2015 9:38 am
That's an interesting route. The speed they have to drive changes dramatically. During some months, they need to go car speeds, and during other months, they can go a walking speed.
Clodfobble • Oct 26, 2015 10:37 am
Gives you a greater appreciation for how effective it is for birds to migrate south for the winter. I mean it's instinctive, do they even really know what winter is? They've never experienced it.
BigV • Oct 26, 2015 11:21 am
Maybe to a bird "winter" is "the best food is over there", or "the best mating opportunities are over tgere" . Like many of us, driven by our hunger for food and sex. But without the whole need for permanent shelter thing.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 26, 2015 12:44 pm
Lots of time for sightseeing. ;)
glatt • Oct 26, 2015 1:37 pm
Sure. As long as there are sights to see from that particular road. No detours allowed.
Happy Monkey • Oct 26, 2015 2:20 pm
How annoying would it be to plan and travel that route, only to encounter unseasonably warm or cold temperatures?

I mean, if you stay in one place, they are par for the course, but if you're setting aside a year of travel just for 70 degree weather, every deviation would be highlighted.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 26, 2015 3:53 pm
Yes, it's a trip which can only be planned in retrospect.

A Smithsonian article, The Great New England Vampire Panic, about people in rural New England blaming Vampires for deaths from "consumption", actually caused by savage tuberculosis outbreaks.
While New England’s farmers may have been guided by something like reason, the spiritual climate of the day was also hospitable to vampire rumors. Contrary to their Puritanical reputation, rural New Englanders in the 1800s were a fairly heathen lot. Only about 10 percent belonged to a church. Rhode Island, originally founded as a haven for religious dissenters, was particularly lax: Christian missionaries were at various points dispatched there from more godly communities. “The missionaries come back and lament that there’s no Bible in the home, no church-going whatsoever,” says Linford Fisher, a Brown University colonial historian. “You have people out there essentially in cultural isolation.”
Griff • Oct 26, 2015 8:20 pm
Things are not so different today, they just worship Tom Brady now.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2015 5:08 am
I'll bet they do it just to annoy us. :p:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2015 3:54 pm
This ranking, and re-ranking, of history's biggest killing sprees, adjusting the ranking by the number killed as a percentage of the worlds population at the time.
The Asians sure were good at it.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 29, 2015 10:48 pm
Told ya so...
Lamplighter • Oct 29, 2015 11:14 pm
I don't know if the stats are correct, but it fits all my preconceived ideas !

:rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 29, 2015 11:44 pm
The chart itself does not prove causation, even though I know damn well it's a major factor. It's labeled as share going to the unions, and with union membership in decline that's to be expected. What it doesn't show is all the non-union workers who benefited from the unions keeping wages following productivity and inflation, by being carried along.

The modern robber barons knew this, they'd watched it happen for 80 or so years. Then when the workers got fat and complacent, they jumped at the chance to beat the unions down, telling workers they were going to move production down south, or overseas. Telling them there was no reason to pay dues when they were going to do just as well without it.

It wasn't only the workers who got fat and complacent, so did the union big shots. All union officials from the local shop steward to the president of the UAW, IBEW, el al, are elected. That makes them politicians, and we know what how that works. The ones at the top are making big money, living high on the hog. Some are great, some are not, but Joe-average sees shit going on that irks him, and he may not move to Canada like he threatened when Congress irked him, but he may just quit the union.
Lamplighter • Oct 30, 2015 12:26 am
1947 was a banner year.

Someone came up with the brilliant idea of a law, and naming it:
"Right to Work"
and many poor slobs... ummmm, workers bought into it.

Truth in advertising would have named it "Right to Work for Less Pay"

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 31, 2015 8:25 am
These might come in handy some time.
Clodfobble • Oct 31, 2015 9:29 am
Hmm... what they call "TS" and "TRS" are more commonly referred to as "quarter-inch" and "stereo quarter-inch." I work with that particular plug a lot and I've never heard it called by that acronym.
glatt • Oct 31, 2015 9:43 am
And MIDI looks like S-VIDEO to me
Undertoad • Oct 31, 2015 11:53 am
Here are the video ports

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 31, 2015 12:25 pm
Clodfobble;943969 wrote:
Hmm... what they call "TS" and "TRS" are more commonly referred to as "quarter-inch" and "stereo quarter-inch." I work with that particular plug a lot and I've never heard it called by that acronym.


glatt;943973 wrote:
And MIDI looks like S-VIDEO to me


Ya damn whippersnappers and your slang, disrespecting the King's English. Why if TS, TRS, and MIDI, were good enough for Jesus, then by golly they're good enough for me. :crone:
Undertoad • Oct 31, 2015 2:43 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Nov 1, 2015 8:40 am
Fred was really honkin', wonder how many tickets he got. :haha:


This be the skeleton of the internet, the interstate of electrons and moonbeams, which move your love notes long distances in a flash.

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This periodic table was assembled by a MIT grad student, showing the country where each element was discovered.

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Lamplighter • Nov 1, 2015 9:26 am
Hmmmm.... I thought Mme. Curie discovered Radium and a couple of other elements in Poland.
Lamplighter • Nov 1, 2015 9:59 am
First, I despise graphs/charts that display % of apples and oranges, even when done by the NY Times.

Today's NYT article starts out with maps of the states (apples) showing %'s of un-insured (oranges).
The geographic size of various states over-shadows the percentage value. :eyebrow:

But eventually the authors get to the core of the matter - politics :rolleyes:


We Mapped the Uninsured. You'll Notice a Pattern
NY Times - QUOCTRUNG BUI and MARGOT SANGER-KATZ - OCT. 30, 2015


They tend to live in the South, and they tend to be poor.

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Politics matters.

Though several states with Republican leadership have expanded their Medicaid programs, many have not.
Over all, Republican-leaning states continue to have more uninsured people
than Democratic-leaning ones. But they also tended to have many more uninsured people at the start.

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Clodfobble • Nov 1, 2015 10:05 am
Lamplighter wrote:
Hmmmm.... I thought Mme. Curie discovered Radium and a couple of other elements in Poland.


They may be basing it on this guy's earlier discovery of radioactive rays in general, which were what inspired Marie Curie to look into radioactivity and isolate the different elements which might be causing it. I agree that radium and polonium were pretty clearly identified by her work, not his, though she and her husband did it in France, not Poland.
Lamplighter • Nov 1, 2015 10:51 am
Yes Clod, you're right.

I just read the Wiki article on Mme. Curie, and her/their work was done in Paris.
As a woman, she had a very hard road to travel.
classicman • Nov 1, 2015 8:59 pm
Lamplighter;944117 wrote:

Today's NYT article starts out with maps of the states (apples) showing %'s of un-insured (oranges).
But eventually the authors get to the core of the matter - politics :rolleyes:


Good thing they call it "insured" and not "covered" because as I've recently learned - in 2016 I'll have to spend $6000 out of pocket before anything is actually "covered" by my new insurance. Even better - its only costs twice as much as I was paying a couple years ago.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 1, 2015 9:16 pm
Lamplighter;944114 wrote:
Hmmmm.... I thought Mme. Curie discovered Radium and a couple of other elements in Poland.
Poland wouldn't let her get an education. Naming Polonium was a political statement, the first and only element named as such.


Classic, Bloomberg explains why it's so hard to get good numbers.
Undertoad • Nov 2, 2015 4:13 pm
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Massive increase in deaths of white middle-aged Americans: drugs, alcohol, suicides.

Between 1979 and 1999, Case and Deaton show, mortality for white Americans ages 45 to 54 had declined at nearly 2 percent per year. That was about the same as the average rate of decline in mortality for all people the same age in such countries as France, Germany, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. After 1999, the 2 percent annual decline continued in other industrialized countries and for Hispanics in the United States, but the death rate for middle-aged white non-Hispanic Americans turned around and began rising half a percent a year.


Me and my generation are hurt, broken and tired. I know I feel it.
Griff • Nov 2, 2015 6:44 pm
We've had our asses kicked over and over.
Lamplighter • Nov 2, 2015 6:51 pm
UT’s link is something of a lay-man’s version of the original article by Case & Deaton of Princeton.
This author, Paul Starr, included a moralist argument that went beyond the original authors.

...On the right, in a 2012 book, Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010,
Charles Murray argued that a decline in moral virtue since the 1960s
has led to the deterioration of life among low-income whites....

But then Starr rejected that argument:
...These trends put new light on current debates about disability insurance and retirement policy.
Contrary to those like Murray who attribute the growth in Social Security Disability Insurance
to a decline in the work ethic, Case and Deaton’s data suggest that the
increased number of beneficiaries reflects a real deterioration of health in middle age.

Raising the Social Security retirement age may seem to be no problem for the educated
and affluent who are in good health and do little physical labor,
but delaying retirement poses a much bigger problem for workers
who are experiencing increased burdens of pain and disability in midlife....


Case and Deaton were more cautious in their discussion:
They first discussed time-correlations of pain-reducing drugs in society,
and secondly the increased rates of suicide among this population.

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But then they added this paragraph:
The mortality reversal observed in this period bears a resemblance
to the mortality decline slowdown in the United States during the height of the AIDS epidemic,
which took the lives of 650,000 Americans (1981 to mid-2015).

A combination of behavioral change and drug therapy brought the US AIDS epidemic under control;
age-adjusted deaths per 100,000 fell from 10.2 in 1990 to 2.1 in 2013.
However, public awareness of the enormity of the AIDS crisis
was far greater than for the epidemic described here....


Even before reading the original article, I had wondered about AIDS and HIV in this cohort of men.
It was in the mid-1980’s that effective HIV therapy (HAART) was introduced,
and reduced the incidence and mortality rates of AIDS significantly.

This seems an attractive idea to me because any long term, effective, therapy
is difficult to maintain, and compliance correlates with education/income/gender.

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xoxoxoBruce • Nov 2, 2015 11:11 pm
The recession hitting people living on credit, and women using the internet have become more adept at making it look like an accident/suicide.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 2, 2015 11:58 pm
In case you Brits would like to dig up the plague, these are the pits where tens of thousands of victims are buried.
The interactive map is here
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glatt • Nov 4, 2015 12:03 pm
Pew Research just came out with a survey about technology ownership.

Lots of obvious data: MP3 players are on the way out, rich people have more devices than poor people, and college educated whites have the most computers. Some surprising data: women are bigger gamers than men, at least on consoles.
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Happy Monkey • Nov 4, 2015 12:13 pm
glatt;944406 wrote:
Some surprising data: women are bigger gamers than men, at least on consoles.
No wonder the gamergaters are so panicked.
Beest • Nov 4, 2015 12:35 pm
It says they are percentages, but the numbers don't add to 100, several of the categories more than 100.:3eye:

also Hispanics are the largest ethnic group, so most gamers are chicas?

color me skeptical:confused:
Clodfobble • Nov 4, 2015 1:42 pm
No no, this is adults who own a game console. That just means that there are more single moms who have one in the house compared to single dads.
glatt • Nov 4, 2015 1:46 pm
Beest;944408 wrote:
It says they are percentages, but the numbers don't add to 100, several of the categories more than 100.:3eye:


37 percent of men own a console (and 63 percent don't, but they didn't talk about the 63 percent)
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 6, 2015 4:52 pm
The birth and life of the Wah Wah pedal.
Gravdigr • Nov 7, 2015 5:52 pm
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Gravdigr • Nov 11, 2015 3:06 pm
A very interesting read. Probably some urban legend-type stuff involved, but a good little read.

8 Acts Of Rock Star Debauchery That Would Destroy You

It's at Cracked, so, brace yourself.

Sample:

Talking about 'Starship', the airliner that everyone who was anyone partied and debauched on (it had a bar, fireplace, and a built-in organ):

For starters, the Allman Brothers climbed aboard to find "Welcome Allman Brothers" written on Starship's [thirty-foot] bar in cocaine.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 11, 2015 4:10 pm
I'm shocked, I tells ya, shocked.:eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 15, 2015 7:36 pm
link
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 15, 2015 7:40 pm
Don't have a source for this, no idea how they determined a state's favorite brand, and I can't make out Florida, but good for a giggle.
Clodfobble • Nov 15, 2015 8:46 pm
Florida is Bank of America. I think must have something to do with overall profit levels in that particular state. American Airlines' central hub for the whole country is DFW, but there's no way they're anyone's "favorite company" choice.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 16, 2015 12:26 pm
This was created by Creative Strategies, but I can't find out how.
Zathris • Nov 16, 2015 3:12 pm
As the following graph shows, the actual value of the US dollar in 2013 was only 5 cents:

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Does anybody know what it is now? I couldn't find any graphs for this year.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 16, 2015 7:04 pm
Now it's worth nothing, so send me yours.
Undertoad • Nov 16, 2015 7:38 pm
The fed didn't kill anything; the graph is actually showing us the slow result of inflation - but that too is pretty much irrelevant. We have abundance now. And in 1913 life was miserable, short, and painful compared to what it is today. That's really all you need to know.

We continue to use this horrible currency and we continue to be relatively fucking rich. Why are these anti-fed people complaining.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 16, 2015 11:29 pm
Because the Fed, as lax as they are, still won't allow the big bucks to get away with all they want to. Not enough to be too big to fail, they want to be too big to be restrained.
glatt • Nov 24, 2015 10:44 am
Not really a graph or chart. But a correlation.

So you like bitter flavors, do you, you antisocial jerk?

Abstract

In two studies, we investigated how bitter taste preferences might be associated with antisocial personality traits. Two US American community samples (total N = 953; mean age = 35.65 years; 48% females) self-reported their taste preferences using two complementary preference measures and answered a number of personality questionnaires assessing Machiavellianism, psychopathy, narcissism, everyday sadism, trait aggression, and the Big Five factors of personality. The results of both studies confirmed the hypothesis that bitter taste preferences are positively associated with malevolent personality traits, with the most robust relation to everyday sadism and psychopathy.
Emphasis mine
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 24, 2015 11:02 am
I believe it, in fact would extend it to spicy hot as well. :p:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 24, 2015 5:58 pm
The government, specifically the Bureau of Labor Statistics has used the Census Bureau, to conduct the American Time Use Survey, since 2003. They've come up with graphs of a number of activities, 8 of which can be found here.

This is 2 of them.
Gravdigr • Nov 24, 2015 6:27 pm
Does masturbating count as 'household activity'?
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 24, 2015 8:13 pm
I think that cums under leisure.
lumberjim • Nov 24, 2015 8:33 pm
xoxoxoBruce;946256 wrote:
I believe it, in fact would extend it to spicy hot as well. [emoji14]:

Hear hear. I knew a woman that put jabenero pepper sauce on the tacos she ate every night. Every night. So much that her lips would chap. This coincided with an increasingly angry and unforgiving demeanor. I wondered at the time if there was a correlation. Very interesting.

I wonder if the converse holds true. Do people with a sweet tooth have a sweet demeanor?
Lamplighter • Nov 24, 2015 9:13 pm
lumberjim;946310 wrote:
...
I wonder if the converse holds true. Do people with a sweet tooth have a sweet demeanor?


Of course I do ! :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 25, 2015 8:42 am
What you have to make to get into the 1% in each state, and the ratio between the average income of the 99%, vs the average income of the 1%, in each state.
Lamplighter • Nov 25, 2015 9:38 am
The second (blue) map is much more informative.

Colorado is NA - maybe due to MJ-startup's sucking up all the cash of the 1%-ers,
by the 5%-ers but not being able to put it in thru the banking system
Lamplighter • Nov 25, 2015 1:05 pm
Oooooooops !

That's Wyoming, not Colorado !

Nevermind ! :blush: :blush: :blush:
Gravdigr • Nov 25, 2015 2:24 pm
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From here.
glatt • Nov 25, 2015 2:51 pm
I'm hung up on the horizontal time axis of that graph. Didn't Clinton have two terms?
And Ford had a shorter term than everyone else.
Happy Monkey • Nov 25, 2015 6:38 pm
xoxoxoBruce;946343 wrote:
What you have to make to get into the 1% in each state, and the ratio between the average income of the 99%, vs the average income of the 1%, in each state.
Wow; second only to Connecticut.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 25, 2015 7:10 pm
You didn't think it was just whores and pimps on K Street, did you?
Wait... come to think of it, maybe it is... gotta get my dictionary. ;)
Gravdigr • Nov 26, 2015 1:30 pm
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glatt • Nov 26, 2015 2:16 pm
Deja vu

Didn't Clinton have two terms?
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 26, 2015 2:52 pm
No, the other term was Ho-insky.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 26, 2015 5:48 pm
This is a bunch of randomly gathered bullshit, in a pile by WaPo.

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It's very important to note that the metrics we used have a lot of built-in bias. Questions have been raised about racial bias in the SAT and IQ testing. What's more, college is more accessible to people of higher economic status. (There's a slight correlation between the final scores and the percentage of the state that is white, but not a terribly strong one.) Given how hard it is to identify objective metrics of intelligence, we worked with what we had.

For the state's avg IQ they used this study. pdf
Abstract
The purpose of this study is threefold. First, an estimate of state IQ is derived and its strengths and limitations are considered. To
that end, an indicator of downward bias in estimating state IQ is provided. Two preliminary causal models are offered that predict
state IQ. These models were found to be highly predictive of state IQ, yielding multiple R's of 0.83 and 0.89. Second, the extent to which state IQ predicts state outcome variables (e.g., gross state product, health, violent crime, and government effectiveness) is estimated. State IQ shows positive correlations with gross state product, health, and government effectiveness and negative correlations with violent crime. These results are consistent with the extent to which IQ predicts outcomes at the level of the individual. Third, a research agenda is provided for improving estimates of state IQ, identifying factors that cause differences in state IQ, and delineating the role of IQ in predicting important variables.

The models were "highly predictive" of a number that nobody knows?? WTF??
Sounds to me like "how do it know?" The whole paper reads like a circle jerk.
The only thing I see that rings true, is PA is solidly in the middle, as it is in all the graph/charts we've seen on every subject.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 27, 2015 11:51 pm
Japan has a few volcanos.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2015 1:56 pm
The most common word used in online dating profiles by state.
I suspect the black dot tagged International is supposed to be DC, but it's not in the right location.
Gravdigr • Dec 13, 2015 7:26 pm
Now that's an interesting chart/map/graph/thing.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 14, 2015 7:57 pm
Seems marriage isn't the attraction it used to be. I told ya lettin' 'em vote and wear shoes would mess things up.
classicman • Dec 14, 2015 9:55 pm
Delaware didn't even get one.
glatt • Dec 15, 2015 11:02 am
classicman;948459 wrote:
Delaware didn't even get one.


Yeah. There's something funny going on with DC/MD/Del labels.

I think the DC dot is supposed to be for MD, and the MD line is supposed to be for Del, and DC is supposed to be blank. It's not a state after all.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 15, 2015 11:15 am
Gospel may apply to the Delmarva Peninsula.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 18, 2015 11:58 pm
The PEW again. How much the citizens of each country believe without a belief in a deity morality is not possible vs wealth.
Spexxvet • Dec 19, 2015 9:06 am
xoxoxoBruce;948945 wrote:
The PEW again. How much the citizens of each country believe without a belief in a deity morality is not possible vs wealth.


I bet it would look the same if it were education, instead of wealth
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 19, 2015 10:04 am
That could be, although I don't think the US would be as far off the line in that graph.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 20, 2015 10:49 pm
Bananas rising, and not for sex-ed condom demos.
Spexxvet • Dec 21, 2015 8:49 am
I heard that there's a banana blight, and the bananas we know (The Cavendish) will probably be wiped out. Maybe that's the reason for the inflation.

Oh, here

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/africa/banana-panama-disease/
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 24, 2015 2:23 pm
Death rates for cars are dropping, guns holding steady, and drugs skyrocketing.
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Cars are safer and traffic so heavy, fatal accidents declined. Gun homicides are down but suicides are up so the line has held steady.
When people read drugs, the junkie shooting up in an alley comes to mind, but this line is caused by the huge increase in prescription medication overdoses. I suspect, like the guns, suicides play a major role. It's easier to resolve to swallow a bottle of pills, than pull the trigger.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 30, 2015 6:12 pm
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lumberjim • Dec 30, 2015 11:19 pm
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Gravdigr • Dec 31, 2015 4:22 pm
Yep.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 3, 2016 2:02 am
Guess what, in the last ten years Hawaii has had no blizzards, not one. Don't confuse deep snowfall with a blizzard. During a blizzard snow may not be falling at all, it could be wind blown snow already on the ground. Of course for that it would have to be colder than an EX's heart for the snow to fall and still be loose enough to blow around later.
Gravdigr • Jan 3, 2016 1:02 pm
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Exes have hearts?:eyebrow:

I still have my last ex's heart. It's in a jar, on a shelf.:cool:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 3, 2016 2:21 pm
Bet it's cold, don't touch that jar without a potholder or gloves. Image
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 5, 2016 10:03 pm
A new record year for US car sales, the last record set in 2000. Stolen from.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2016 9:43 pm
Estimated number of Armed Rump Militias by state. Each could be five guys drilling in some guys driveway, or 500 guys doing field maneuvers.
The estimate is 100,000 total members, about 40% of them active.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 16, 2016 12:33 am
What real estate is worth... or why the rent is too damn high.
DC is worth $3 Billion a sq mile, and NYC facing Central Park is $131 Billion a sq mile, but Wyoming is only $581,000 a square mile.
There are interactive maps for the US and NYC here.
Happy Monkey • Jan 16, 2016 10:43 am
Hey, I can see DC on a US map!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 19, 2016 12:26 am
11 recessions since WW II.
tw • Jan 19, 2016 10:19 am
When Geithner told those big bank bankers that they had eight hours to save the American economy, he was not kidding. And he was right. Of three types of recessions, worst is one created by economic mismanagement. We know anti-Americans use their rhetoric to justify conclusions. These idiots even tried to put the Social Security fund into stock markets. Because wacko extremists said that is good. That proved it was good.

Only recently have many economic parameters returned to where they were in 2001. For example, the stock market (before a Chinese inspired downturn) finally got back to where it peaked in the third month of George Jr's administration. America only recently reached the point, considered by economists, as full employment (5%).

Of some 220 recessions studied worldwide since WWII, worst types are those created by outright economic mismanagement. We were literally looking at another 1929 crash. But we did not make a mistake that Hoover made in 29. Bernanke stated that quite bluntly. History now proves him correct. We did not use monetary restraints. Instead we did TARP (criticized by wacko extremists who wanted to make Hoover's mistake). TARP, et al averted another 1929 recession.

But jobs are a lagging indicator. It takes longer - long after a recession ends - to restore jobs.
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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 21, 2016 2:26 pm
On the London tube(subway), when taking the escalator you stand on the right and if you want to pretend it's stairs, you climb on the left. Always, no question, that's how we've always done it.
But that slows traffic, causing congestion, limiting capacity.
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glatt • Jan 21, 2016 3:08 pm
I don't stand on escalators here. I climb them. And if you stand, you should stay to the right so I can pass you. So I was going to protest this article. But I actually agree with it because what it is really saying is that ON REALLY LONG escalators, very few people climb them, so everyone should just ride so that you can make use of both "lanes".

Looking at my own experiences, that's true. Rosslyn station has an extremely long escalator, and I don't usually climb that one. It's about 100 feet tall and takes 3 minutes to ride. I bet fewer than 5% of passenger climb that escalator. In other stations, it's more like 70% who climb escalators.
Happy Monkey • Jan 21, 2016 5:17 pm
Unless you're traveling with someone, who wants to share a stair with a stranger on an escalator? Somehow that seems weirder than sharing a seat on a bus/subway. Probably because seats are limited, but there's always a free stair coming up momentarily on an escalator.
Happy Monkey • Jan 23, 2016 12:51 pm
Planets
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Undertoad • Jan 26, 2016 8:46 am
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Spexxvet • Jan 26, 2016 10:04 am
Here Are the States Where Blowjobs Are Illegal But Necrophilia's Cool

http://gawker.com/here-are-the-states-where-blowjobs-are-illegal-but-necr-1563878569
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2016 3:44 pm
Uh, Spex... why were you researching that? :eyebrow:
Gravdigr • Jan 26, 2016 4:07 pm
The thing necrophilia and blow-jobs have in common?

Not a lot of backtalk.
Spexxvet • Jan 27, 2016 8:58 am
xoxoxoBruce;952222 wrote:
Uh, Spex... why were you researching that? :eyebrow:


Because the studies of bestiality and cousin incest were already taken ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2016 11:23 am
Marry a cousin? Oh, like Rudy Giuliani, Edgar Allan Poe, Jesse James, Jerry Lee Lewis, Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson, H.G. Wells, Charles Darwin, John F. Fitzgerald, Johann Sebastian Bach, Igor Stravinsky, Saddam Hussein, and the Queen.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2016 12:21 am
OMNI predictions in 1982...
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2016 12:29 pm
Bloomberg ranks the top 200 Billionaires, daily.
glatt • Feb 5, 2016 10:06 am
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BigV • Feb 5, 2016 1:19 pm
Genius.
lumberjim • Feb 6, 2016 4:27 pm
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Spexxvet • Feb 8, 2016 8:39 am
Slovakia? WTF is with that?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 9, 2016 5:04 am
The spread of the industrial revolution which was great until it reached the Ruhr, but there it got Krupp-ed.
glatt • Feb 9, 2016 2:23 pm
This is an interactive chart and so I can't put it up here. But go over to Flowingdata to check it out.

The products that send people to the emergency room, from 2014 data broken down by month. See snowblower injuries peak in the winter. See lawnmower injuries peak in the summer.

See binder clip injuries follow no clear pattern.
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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 9, 2016 5:32 pm
As I expected, #1 and #2 are stairs and flooring. Then bicycles, beds, football, basketball.
Ah ha, I knew it, I knew it was dangerous, leading to suffering and ER bills... EXERCISE. Not even once, kids. :headshake
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 9, 2016 5:58 pm
I don't know if these are valid, but what the hell.
lumberjim • Feb 10, 2016 11:16 am
So shitting outside makes you shorter
Undertoad • Feb 10, 2016 11:53 am
S'a fine observation BUT - Japanese shitters are world-renowned!
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 11, 2016 1:13 am
But aren't those the city shitters, the rice paddy shitters may not be up the their usual standard.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 16, 2016 1:12 am
What state has the fastest talkers?
The full ranking of states, from the fastest-talking to the slowest:

1. Oregon
2. Minnesota
3. Massachusetts
4. Kansas
5. Iowa
6. Vermont
7. Alaska
8. South Dakota
9. New Hampshire
10. Nebraska
11. Connecticut
12. North Dakota
13. Washington
14. Wisconsin
15. Rhode Island
16. Idaho
17. Florida
18. Pennsylvania
19. New Jersey
20. West Virginia
21. Maine
22. Colorado
23. California
24. Missouri
25. Montana
26. Indiana
27. Hawaii
28. Virginia
29. Nevada
30. Arizona
31. Utah
32. Michigan
33. Tennessee
34. Maryland
35. Oklahoma
36. Wyoming
37. Delaware
38. New York
39. Kentucky
40. Illinois
41. Ohio
42. Arkansas
43. Georgia
44. Texas
45. New Mexico
46. North Carolina
47. Alabama
48. South Carolina
49. Louisiana
50. Mississippi
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 19, 2016 7:05 am
The population mean has moved almost to Elspode, in 200 years.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2016 7:23 am
Median income, in case you think New Hampshire is a dirt farm backwater.
Gravdigr • Feb 24, 2016 3:39 pm
xoxoxoBruce;950351 wrote:
Of course for that it would have to be colder than an EX's heart for the snow to fall and still be loose enough to blow around later.


Gravdigr;950396 wrote:
Exes have hearts?:eyebrow:

I still have my last ex's heart.


Here's a picture of it:

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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2016 5:05 am
These folks have found the education level in each state and found a matching country.
Undertoad • Feb 25, 2016 8:40 am
The person who put that together is not very educated.

The actual source seems to be here and they are claiming they used this table to figure out the map.

Problem is, that table is an "Education index" and they have compared it to US Census data graduation rates. These are not the same thing and can't be compared.

So yeah, no, Pennsylvanians and Kyrgyzstanis are not of a similar education level at all. In fact the US has an overall "education index" of 0.890 and Kyrgyzstan has an index of 0.656, as wildly different as you'd expect.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 25, 2016 9:29 am
I don't know, PA has a lot of dumb motherfuckers. :lol:
Gravdigr • Feb 25, 2016 5:59 pm
What do ya call citizens of Honduras, anyway?

Hondurasians?

Hondurites?

Honduranians?

Hondurans?

Hondurandurans?
Gravdigr • Feb 25, 2016 6:00 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2016 3:05 am
Holy pipes, Batman...
Spexxvet • Mar 1, 2016 8:48 am
Petroleum should include gasoline, eh?
glatt • Mar 1, 2016 9:14 am
Did you see the note at the top in small grey print?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2016 11:47 am
I'd take that "petroleum" as crude oil, not the refined products.
Gravdigr • Mar 3, 2016 3:50 pm
I was all ready to call bullshit...

...then I found the beer pipeline.

[size=1]Whew.[/size]
Gravdigr • Mar 3, 2016 3:53 pm
Also, I would like to express my displeasure at the lack of a bacon pipeline.

Our next president might want to address that.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 3, 2016 10:50 pm
Who found what. Only places where nobody was living count, although a couple showed signs people had visited.
Griff • Mar 4, 2016 8:26 am
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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2016 10:14 am
Yup, baseball has been going downhill steadily. ;)
Undertoad • Mar 4, 2016 1:05 pm
The Dominicans. It's fascinating really
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2016 1:29 pm
And Cubans.
Gravdigr • Mar 4, 2016 4:48 pm
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Griff • Mar 4, 2016 5:05 pm
Undertoad;954805 wrote:
The Dominicans. It's fascinating really


xoxoxoBruce;954808 wrote:
And Cubans.


Does baseball actually lead America's demographic change? My office mate and my fencing buddy are both Dominicans right here in Whitesylvania er just over the border in NYS.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2016 5:27 pm
They Voodoo spell customs and walk right in. :yesnod:
Happy Monkey • Mar 5, 2016 1:43 pm
The green part in the north of Africa goes too far west. I suspect most Americans would classify that under "empty desert", too, and assume that the wars in those regions are happening further east.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2016 2:52 pm
Yeah, Algeria isn't on our radar... empty desert.
glatt • Mar 7, 2016 8:58 am
Most Americans couldn't find Africa on the map let alone quibble about the placement of the green.
Gravdigr • Mar 7, 2016 4:50 pm
glatt;954979 wrote:
Most Americans couldn't find Africa on the map let alone quibble about the placement of the green.


Chuckle link
Gravdigr • Mar 18, 2016 2:27 pm
I'm not sure these folks know much about Kentucky...

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glatt • Mar 18, 2016 3:18 pm
They didn't put DC on there. It should be fairly dark green.

Walking man has smelled pot a couple times while walking around here, and then goes home to the pot desert.
Gravdigr • Mar 18, 2016 3:25 pm
Heh, "pot desert".
Griff • Mar 18, 2016 4:25 pm
I think the debate over medical maryjane has started in PA but its likely to be Big Pharma pot rather than Big Pot Farms.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 18, 2016 9:19 pm
Gravdigr;955745 wrote:
I'm not sure these folks know much about Kentucky...
The thing about maps like this is, if you think their view of your state doesn't jibe with your experience and observations, you're skeptical about what they're saying about other states. And vice versa. I suppose people who are clueless, not because they're stupid but because it doesn't enter their lives, will take the map at face value.
Griff • Mar 19, 2016 9:15 am
KY is kinda hilarious. Aren't you guys #1 or 2 in production?
Gravdigr • Mar 21, 2016 4:50 pm
A friend of mine went to Jamaica, and was walking the beach looking for weed when this fella comes up to him and offers him a bag. Bud looks at it and says that he's wanting some good stuff. The guy takes his bag back, reaches inside his shirt and produces some pretty good smelling stuff, but, it's little popcorn buds. My bud says, quote "Nah...Me from KY. Me want the big bud." Dude calls his buddy, who shows up in literally two minutes with buds the size of his forearm. My buddy said it was straight Hazard County skunkweed. He told the guy so, when he saw him on the beach, and the guy told him he was told the weed came from KY.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2016 10:54 pm
25 corporate states who through holding companies and tax havens, hold more power and wealth than most countries.
Gravdigr • Mar 25, 2016 4:28 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 31, 2016 12:14 am
Preposterous, ridiculous, ladies don't look at porn, they find it repulsive, degenerate, and disgusting.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 3, 2016 4:08 pm
Doggies, class, how big, how smart, how popular, etc
Griff • Apr 4, 2016 2:41 pm
Benny ftw
Gravdigr • Apr 4, 2016 3:59 pm
Illustrating Chicago's Values Through Charts, Graphs, and Infographics

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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 4, 2016 11:10 pm
While the politicians are fiddly fucking around, at least somebody is doing something about unemployment, overcrowding driving up rents, and trimming the welfare rolls.
Gravdigr • Apr 5, 2016 4:58 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 6, 2016 2:20 pm
Invasion of the right-o-way snatchers.
glatt • Apr 7, 2016 10:49 am
Buzzfeed has an interesting article about domestic surveillance flights.

It hadn't occurred to me, but sites like flightradar24 that track flights can also be used to track the FBI, DHS, and law enforcement. If you look at flight patterns long enough, you start to see certain planes that fly in circles at a low altitude. And they go up day after day after day and fly the same exact circle over and over. A team of reporters compiled data over months last fall and have posted a map at the buzzfeed link above so you can see what areas in your city are under constant surveillance. It's pretty amazing.

A couple circles are over my house, but centered over spots a mile or so away.
WTF are they looking for in Burke VA? Is a terrorist hanging out in a house there? They have it under very heavy surveillance.
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Go to the link and put your own town in. Zoom out, look at the hot spots around the country. Why the finger lakes?
Clodfobble • Apr 7, 2016 12:14 pm
Are they really constant, though? The slider at the bottom left keeps cycling through the three-month period, but they leave the circles up every time one appears. It looks more like they surveyed each area heavily for a time, then mostly move on to other areas.

Easy for me to say though, since apparently they don't give a damn about Austin. :)
glatt • Apr 7, 2016 12:28 pm
Well, there is a frustrating lack of explanation on what the lines on the map mean. They talk about animated dots, but not much more.

I think we can assume that the more lines, the more flights. And Burke, VA, for example, has had hundreds of flights during that couple month window. And the flights are red, so they are FBI flights.
Clodfobble • Apr 7, 2016 12:41 pm
Yeah, my initial reaction when I saw the post was that people taking flight school training fly in a whole lot of circles, but at the link they claim to know that the flights are definitely FBI or definitely Homeland Security.

Maybe it's a secretly secure location--like not someone they suspect, but the place where they hide visiting diplomats from politically-questionable countries, or keep a bunker ready for the President at all times.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 7, 2016 10:43 pm
Ice Age, Glaciers chasing white men.
Griff • Apr 8, 2016 7:23 am
Canandaigua, NY? Does Hillary have a house out there?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 8, 2016 7:54 pm
Distribution of Negros in the 1940 census, would change drastically during the war, as work became available where they weren't.
lumberjim • Apr 9, 2016 2:34 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 9, 2016 4:27 pm
Nice one, Jim. I didn't realize the Mason Dixon line had a north south component.
Gravdigr • Apr 10, 2016 3:31 pm
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lumberjim • Apr 11, 2016 1:15 pm
Are those sales increase numbers coinciding with the advent of legal pot sales?
Gravdigr • Apr 11, 2016 3:19 pm
It's just comparing sales of various products to legal marijuana sales, not increases.
Gravdigr • Apr 11, 2016 3:20 pm
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lumberjim • Apr 11, 2016 3:53 pm
Gravdigr;957288 wrote:
It's just comparing sales of various products to legal marijuana sales, not increases.


Just seemed like those specific products relate to having munchies.... I would imagine that there is a discernible increase in Doritos sales in Colorado since they allowed the w33d in
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 12, 2016 10:19 am
The first picture I took out of the second, and turned it 90 degrees to make it easier to read. World trade in 1912, who with whom and how much. Remember the numbers have to be multiplied times 1000 British pounds sterling, which in 1912 were pretty valuable.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 13, 2016 5:31 pm
Money = power. Money = influence. Both of those have shifted at the fastest rate ever.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 17, 2016 7:41 pm
Colonization

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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 20, 2016 1:20 am
UK names...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 26, 2016 8:16 pm
The millennials have taken over as the biggest group.
The Boomers are on their way out.
We Silents have been pushed aside for a long time.
I read somewhere that around 43% of the Millennials are non-white, so some of the politicians should reevaluate the world view.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2016 2:32 pm
Cops and robbers...
Spexxvet • Apr 28, 2016 9:22 am
xoxoxoBruce;958562 wrote:
Cops and robbers...


We'll pay taxes to keep 'em locked up, but not to protect us in the first place. Ass backward, we are
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 28, 2016 10:50 am
Is it because here we have more fear of cops than of robbers?
BigV • Apr 28, 2016 10:58 am
See prison industrial complex, sub heading war on drugs.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 28, 2016 11:12 am
And PA Supreme Court Justices who take millions in return for sending minors to corporate prisons for being typical teens .
xoxoxoBruce • May 3, 2016 2:22 pm
make it graphs, charts and tables. :blush: If it has a V-8 it's a muscle car? Whatever. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • May 3, 2016 2:24 pm
Moar...
tw • May 4, 2016 9:59 am
This month, the Indianapolis 500 will be raced. None of those cars use V-8 engines since the technology has been obsolete technology for decades. V-8 'muscle cars' are traditionally low performance. Sound from many 'muscle cars' loudly says low performance. That V-8 charts suggests where the most easily brainwashed are located.

Why is Detroit in so much trouble? What is the most Unusually popular car? Pontiac Astek. Who would be so stupid as to buy that? Detroit. What city most encouraged destruction of the American auto industry? Top of the list - Detroit.
xoxoxoBruce • May 4, 2016 10:27 am
The newest Aztek is 11 years old and not popular to begin with, which makes them cheaper than dirt. That's why they are unusually popular in a city that is awash with destitute people. The same situation with Cavaliers in Cincinnati.
tw • May 4, 2016 11:56 am
xoxoxoBruce;959117 wrote:
The same situation with Cavaliers in Cincinnati.

I thought Cincinnati was doing well? Have things gone downhill now that one can be shot for publishing pornography?
xoxoxoBruce • May 5, 2016 12:43 pm
Spending of disposable income on energy...
xoxoxoBruce • May 8, 2016 7:50 pm
Mercator projection...
xoxoxoBruce • May 12, 2016 3:35 am
Traffic...
glatt • May 12, 2016 9:28 am
DC doesn't look that bad there, but it consistently comes up as number two in rankings of the worst traffic in the US after Los Angeles.

Somebody's wrong.
xoxoxoBruce • May 12, 2016 10:26 am
It's the amount of traffic, not how well it moves.
xoxoxoBruce • May 12, 2016 1:40 pm
1927 Paramount Pictures location map...
xoxoxoBruce • May 17, 2016 4:32 am
This shit'll kill you...
xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2016 12:12 am
50% of the Canadian population live above, and 50% below, that red line.
xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2016 12:17 am
50% of the wealth in the US lives inside that circle. I don't believe it, but I'd believe 50% of the wealth lives offshore.
Griff • May 20, 2016 7:44 am
Shhhhh... we're done reporting about that.
xoxoxoBruce • May 22, 2016 9:46 pm
A lot didn't die...
Undertoad • May 24, 2016 8:40 am
World population in extreme poverty chart.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-population-in-extreme-poverty-absolute?tab=chart
Undertoad • May 24, 2016 4:12 pm
US carbon emissions down 12% since 2005 (source):

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Because of natural gas and to a lesser extent renewables, taking over the job of coal (source):

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(both sources are eia.gov, US Energy Information Administration)
Spexxvet • May 25, 2016 8:55 am
Undertoad;960903 wrote:
US carbon emissions down 12% since 2005 (source):

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Because of natural gas and to a lesser extent renewables, taking over the job of coal (source):

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(both sources are eia.gov, US Energy Information Administration)


Probably due more to the market than regulation. Too bad the fracking that's generated the natural gas threatens our water supply.
BigV • May 25, 2016 7:33 pm
OK, let's put this infographic here.

http://swanh.net
glatt • May 25, 2016 7:55 pm
BigV;960991 wrote:
OK, let's put this infographic here.

http://swanh.net




Did you look at the whole thing?
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2016 3:19 pm
My colleague Robert Allison finds the most interesting data sets to visualize! Yesterday he posted a visualization of toothless seniors in the US. More precisely, he created graphs that show the estimated prevalence of adults (65 years or older) who have had all their natural teeth extracted. The dental profession calls these people edentulous. According to the CDC, about 20% of seniors (more than 35 million Americans) are edentulous.

When I looked at his sorted bar chart, I noticed that the states that had the most toothless seniors seemed to be poorer states such as West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana. In contrast, richer states such as Colorado, Connecticut, and Hawaii had a relatively small number of toothless seniors. I wondered whether there was a correlation between median income in a state and the number of edentulous individuals.

Rob always publishes his SAS programs, so I used his data and merged it with the state median household income (2-year-average medians) as reported by the US Census Bureau. Then I used the SGPLOT procedure to plot the incidence of toothlessness (with lower and upper confidence intervals) versus the median state incomes. I also added a loess curve as a visual smoother to the data, as follows:
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Makes sense to me that lower income people, due to diet and ability to pay for timely repair/maintenance, would have a larger percentage of edentulous codgers.
glatt • May 26, 2016 5:15 pm
Good old West Virginia. They may not be the poorest, but by God, they are going to represent in the toothless maw segment.
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2016 9:50 pm
West Virginia is tied at #39 with Nevada, for dentists per capita. Of course Nevada has more money and probably a better diet.
#1? DC, of course. They need a lot of dentists to make those smiles, plus half the population has two faces. :rolleyes:

link
Clodfobble • May 26, 2016 9:55 pm
Arkansas and Florida aren't doing too bad, all things considered.
Spexxvet • May 27, 2016 10:07 am
I read years ago that West Virginia has the fewest teeth per capita.
Gravdigr • May 27, 2016 4:36 pm
People in Massachusetts, it seems, can't spell it...

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classicman • May 28, 2016 11:57 am
Texas = Niece ... bwahahahahahaaa
xoxoxoBruce • May 28, 2016 3:27 pm
Yes, but to be fair they pronounce it differently. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • May 29, 2016 12:31 am
Wiki says...
Hipmunk has a worldwide audience of 130,000 visitors per month according to DoubleClick Ad Planner. Those visitors generate about 900,000 page views.[17] The median Hipmunk user is a male, 35–44 years of age, has a Bachelor's degree, and is making a middle-range income of $75,000-$99,000. According to the report, top audience interests are venture capital, development tools, and travel agencies and services, suggesting a computer-savvy demographic and culture.
Gravdigr • May 29, 2016 3:00 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • May 29, 2016 4:38 pm
Metal Bands in Europe...
Griff • May 30, 2016 8:53 am
oooooo... untapped source of metal in Greece.
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2016 10:31 am
Yes, but it's hard to grasp... in Greece. :blush:
Gravdigr • May 30, 2016 1:31 pm
If Russia attacked Italy from behind, would Greece help?
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2016 3:45 pm
2,000 American companies — excluding the financial sector — and found their cumulative cash reserves have reached a staggering $1.84 trillion. The kicker is that the top 25 companies — roughly the top 1 percent of U.S. corporations — control 51 percent of that cash. And in a development that mirrors the "fractal inequality" amongst individual Americans, just the top five companies — Apple, Microsoft, Alphabet (Google's parent corporation), Cisco, and Oracle — controlled a third.

Market Watch
Moody's came out with a parallel report. Slightly different numbers but same effect.
classicman • May 30, 2016 8:35 pm
Its Bush's fault.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 1, 2016 12:41 pm
Bush? That's bullshit, it's Cheney's fault.

Alternate ways to spend that money...
glatt • Jun 1, 2016 1:18 pm
West Virginia: 1 ton of coal.

That sounded totally wrong. Trucks would deliver that much coal to a house to heat it for a winter. So I Googled it, and 1 ton of coal is about $40.

Even in West Virginia, a house is worth more than $40.
Gravdigr • Jun 1, 2016 3:50 pm
17m ladybugs


W.T.F?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 1, 2016 5:01 pm
Amazon has 4500 ladybugs for under $20, so very roughly $75,500.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 1, 2016 5:20 pm
glatt;961459 wrote:
West Virginia: 1 ton of coal.

That sounded totally wrong. Trucks would deliver that much coal to a house to heat it for a winter. So I Googled it, and 1 ton of coal is about $40.
Even in West Virginia, a house is worth more than $40.

Yeah that sounds flakey. :yesnod:
That said, I don't think a ton of coal will last the winter. It has the same BTUs as about 114 gallons of heating oil, 16 million.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 2, 2016 12:52 am
The high rent joints...
glatt • Jun 2, 2016 8:52 am
What a weirdly worded statistic.

So this is the price tag on the cheapest home that has broken into the 99th percentile in value. It's not the most expensive home in the state but close to it. There are thousands of homes more expensive in each state, but I guess this gives a nice representative sample of a very expensive home without being a Micheal Jackson Neverland Ranch that blows the curve up.
glatt • Jun 2, 2016 8:58 am
And the millionaires avoid North Dakota. When you have money, you prefer to live in other states.

The real question is why do the millionaires also avoid Iowa? That's a bit of an anomaly with the other Midwest states around it.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 2, 2016 9:45 am
Because driving across Iowa is bad enough. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 2, 2016 11:11 am
Stay away from Delaware. :eek:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 3, 2016 12:05 am
Mother's day... Idaho :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 4, 2016 2:14 pm
And Mom without VD... no wait that didn't come out right...:o
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 4, 2016 10:50 pm
Another version of carving up the country...
Gravdigr • Jun 9, 2016 4:20 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 10, 2016 12:30 am
A lot of the things in this thread made me pause, but this is a WTF.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 10, 2016 9:47 pm
Your food's roots. The whole chart was 22 inches wide so I broke it up below.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 14, 2016 9:17 pm
yourmechanic dot com a repair service, like the uber of car repair. So these results aren't accurate for anything but their customers, but might be a big enough sampling to be close.
link
Happy Monkey • Jun 15, 2016 11:23 am
My Toyota dealer is probably ripping me off. I doubt it'll take 10 years to get to $4300.
glatt • Jun 15, 2016 11:38 am
I took my cousin's car to the dealer two weeks ago before I sold it, and it was a shock. We never go to the dealer for our own car and take it to the corner mechanic instead. The dealer was impersonal, slow, difficult to communicate with, and fucking expensive. Also incredibly busy, and there was no place to park.
Happy Monkey • Jun 15, 2016 11:43 am
I had a good experience with my Honda dealer, plus they were across the street from a bookstore, so taking the car in for maintenance was almost a treat. So I got in the habit of using the dealer.

Now that I have the Prius, I may need to look into local mechanics eventually, but inertia is a major factor.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 18, 2016 10:25 pm
How the FBI thinks they got murdered...
classicman • Jun 19, 2016 11:37 am
Interesting how it breaks out.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 19, 2016 10:48 pm
Long article in Mother Jones but this sums it up...

In the top 10 list the list the number of guns made strictly for the US market, but then global revenues.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 24, 2016 12:19 am
Men contributed a lot of money to save the tatas, we ought to be able to see them...
tw • Jun 24, 2016 11:12 am
Which state will prosecute Spencer Tunick?
Gravdigr • Jun 24, 2016 4:24 pm
Someone should.

Really.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 28, 2016 7:07 pm
The FCC protects us from those bad corporations. Lots more at Little Sis . org
Happy Monkey • Jun 28, 2016 7:47 pm
Wheeler has surprised me. He does not appear to be a shill for his former employers, unless he's playing a long game.
tw • Jun 29, 2016 11:31 pm
If Micheal Powell (who intentionally attacked net neutrality to enrich a few big providers) is not listed, then that listing is suspect of intentionally subverting facts by forgetting major and relevant details.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 29, 2016 11:41 pm
Powell has not been on the FCC for 11 years. You're behind as usual.:rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 7, 2016 10:11 pm
Liberal Professors...
BigV • Jul 7, 2016 10:22 pm
???

one y-axis number does not a ratio make.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 7, 2016 11:44 pm
How many times do you want the number One repeated, that's what the ratio is. 5 to 1, 10 to 1, 99 to 1.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2016 5:03 pm
Too whom?
Griff • Jul 11, 2016 7:25 pm
Mars?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2016 8:18 pm
More likely Venus, she ends up with everything. ;)
glatt • Jul 12, 2016 10:55 am
Government debt or personal debt of the citizens of those countries?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 12, 2016 11:13 am
Sovereign debt.
Beest • Jul 12, 2016 12:41 pm
xoxoxoBruce;964046 wrote:
Liberal Professors...


So what is the take away message here, Professor is a long term position, so were all those New England Professors outwardly conservative, but repressed liberals and are now out of the closet?
Has the Liberal Cabal been aggressively evicting the hard working conservative professor
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 12, 2016 12:53 pm
There has always been a preponderance of liberal professors in New England. Professors choose assistants to work with who often go on the becomes professors themselves. Of course some professors move up to management and set the tone some conservative professors find intolerable so choose to move to conservative schools. Schools around the country are always trying to lure professors with Ivy League schools or Tech schools like MIT or Stanford on their resume.
Gravdigr • Jul 12, 2016 4:24 pm
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I think the risk of bear attack isn't 'very high', except maybe compared to Mars for instance.

I haven't been attacked by a bear, or been to Mars, though I have been mauled [COLOR="white"](nibbled)[/COLOR] by a Lion [COLOR="white"](cub)[/COLOR]
glatt • Jul 13, 2016 11:56 am
change "bear attack" to "binder clip attack" and I'm on board
Gravdigr • Jul 13, 2016 2:12 pm
:D
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glatt • Jul 20, 2016 9:06 am
Guess when the thunderstorm came through last night.

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glatt • Jul 20, 2016 12:24 pm
glatt;964973 wrote:
Guess when the thunderstorm came through last night.


And I am just getting around to checking the media. We fared better than many in this area. No damage on glatt's street.

Check out this video in the apartment building downtown as big hail hit them. I'd link to it here if I could figure out how. It's the tweet below the picture of the hand holding a big ball of hail in that link above.
footfootfoot • Jul 20, 2016 12:50 pm
glatt;964973 wrote:
Guess when the thunderstorm came through last night.

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How did you get this data?
glatt • Jul 20, 2016 1:10 pm
My Fitbit Charge
footfootfoot • Jul 21, 2016 10:22 am
How do it know?

I will research this. Curious because I wonder, after my sleep study, how my meds and lifestyle changes are affecting my sleep. Have things improved, etc.

Do you have a history of sleep problems? Have we discussed this?
glatt • Jul 21, 2016 10:53 am
I'm a light sleeper. I wake up at the slightest thing, and it's interesting to see data that either confirms or contradicts my feeling in the morning like I had a horrible sleep. Other than the thunderstorm at midnight, I actually slept pretty soundly on that night.
Spexxvet • Jul 21, 2016 2:49 pm
footfootfoot;965045 wrote:
How do it know?

I will research this. Curious because I wonder, after my sleep study, how my meds and lifestyle changes are affecting my sleep. Have things improved, etc.

Do you have a history of sleep problems? Have we discussed this?


If you have a CPAP, it has an SD card in it with some interesting information, like how many hours a night you use it.
footfootfoot • Jul 22, 2016 9:18 am
They didn't prescribe a CPAP for me since my disturbance is from RLS.

I'm assuming I'm sleeping through the night, but even before my sleep test I didn't realize I woke up 137.000 times a night.

I do feel more rested these days.

Anyway, back to bear danger type graphs, please.
Gravdigr • Aug 11, 2016 3:23 pm
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John Sellers • Aug 11, 2016 7:42 pm
We're number 3! We're number 3!
Gravdigr • Aug 13, 2016 6:13 pm
[size=1]Heheh...[/size]:)
infinite monkey • Aug 13, 2016 6:30 pm
Number 3 in your program, Number 1 in your hearts!
footfootfoot • Aug 14, 2016 12:18 am
I think China is manipulating their numbers.
Griff • Aug 25, 2016 7:29 am
How is your retirement?
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/cb0-report-wealth-income-inequality
Spexxvet • Aug 25, 2016 8:39 am
Italian quake

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us10006g7w#map
glatt • Sep 1, 2016 4:35 pm
Metro is letting you see your gate to gate commute time. I'm loving this new general manager. When you click on the "more info" hyperlink, it takes you to the list of delays on metro each day.
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It always felt like my evening commutes were slower than my morning commutes, and now I see it's quantifiable.
Gravdigr • Sep 1, 2016 5:05 pm
Ballston [size=1](snicker)[/size]
Clodfobble • Sep 1, 2016 5:07 pm
Were you super late, or super early the one day you weren't at AM peak?
glatt • Sep 1, 2016 5:48 pm
Super early.
Clodfobble • Sep 1, 2016 10:21 pm
In retrospect, I really should have known that. :rolleyes:
John Sellers • Sep 1, 2016 11:49 pm
http://www.boredpanda.com/35-extremely-funny-graphs-and-charts/
glatt • Sep 2, 2016 8:13 am
Clodfobble;968172 wrote:
In retrospect, I really should have known that. :rolleyes:


Actually, thinking back, I gave you the wrong answer. I had left early several times during that period, but only about 45 minutes early each time. To miss rush hour, I think I needed to leave like 90 minutes early. So my quick assumption that I was early was wrong. I was actually super late one day because I had a doctor's appointment and got to work at like 11am.
Clodfobble • Sep 2, 2016 9:35 am
Nope, that's it, your cover's blown. "Doctor's appointment" = overnight stint in jail. I'm very disappointed in you, sir.


I have been messing with my own graphs and charts recently... My online book sales information will break it down by geography, but only in chunks like "the last 4 weeks," because anything more specific somehow breaks privacy laws. Except of course if you take last week's 4-week data, and compare it to this week's 4-week data, you can figure out the overlap and thus figure out what was actually purchased this week, and where. It gets a little more complicated because say the weeks went 5-3-7-8-4 sold in Austin, that means the fifth week's data will show a total of 22 vs. the fourth week's data of 23, a net loss of 1 even though in reality 4 were added, so you have to compare carefully. I've been taking screenshots each week and figuring the rough numbers in my head, really only taking into consideration specific areas--like I did an NPR interview in Tulsa, did that provide a noticeable boost in sales in Tulsa the week I did it, or not? But I've been thinking about creating an Excel spreadsheet that would have the equations already entered and just give me net numbers for every area, because I'm a fruit loop and can't walk away from data.
glatt • Sep 6, 2016 2:36 pm
WTF?

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Checks Google Earth MODIS fire data

Oh, OK.
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John Sellers • Sep 16, 2016 7:32 pm
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Gravdigr • Sep 19, 2016 6:55 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 21, 2016 12:51 pm
Lewdest town names...
Gravdigr • Sep 21, 2016 1:44 pm
That's great.

My people:

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Beest • Sep 21, 2016 1:46 pm
MI - Dick, pffft, no love for Big Beaver ( snerk)
Undertoad • Sep 21, 2016 2:52 pm
Precisely - in PA "Intercourse" is probably the least-foul of the list, including:

Blue Ball
Big Beaver (must be a lot of 'em)
Climax
Bird-In-Hand

and I like to include

Jugtown
Honey Pot

and it's misspelled, but

Puseyville
John Sellers • Sep 24, 2016 9:40 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 24, 2016 10:28 pm
Methane causes the gas from Uranus to look blue. :eek:
Gravdigr • Sep 25, 2016 12:06 am
Stop looking at my anus.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 25, 2016 1:19 am
Are your farts blue? :eyebrow:
fargon • Sep 25, 2016 7:22 am
I don't know if they are blue, but my farts smell lovely.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 25, 2016 11:07 am
Thank you for that unbiased opinion. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Sep 25, 2016 3:13 pm
xoxoxoBruce;969719 wrote:
Are your farts blue? :eyebrow:


I've never looked, but some of them feel brown sometimes...:(
Gravdigr • Oct 8, 2016 4:14 pm
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John Sellers • Oct 9, 2016 6:50 pm
Depends on one's need for it.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2016 10:31 am
Doctors...
Happy Monkey • Oct 13, 2016 12:07 pm
That lines up with my preconceptions rather well, so far as I had them.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2016 12:39 pm
It also lines up pretty well with average income levels.
Griff • Oct 14, 2016 7:54 am
explaining the lack of mental health services?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 14, 2016 11:27 am
Men vs Women voters...
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 16, 2016 11:45 am
What are people worried about this year?
glatt • Oct 16, 2016 3:18 pm
What a country of chicken shits
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 16, 2016 7:10 pm
Who the states trade with. I wonder what Nevada exports to Switzerland? :eyebrow:
gtown • Oct 17, 2016 12:51 pm
Gold:
http://qz.com/268164/why-switzerland-is-nevadas-biggest-foreign-trading-partner/
gtown • Oct 17, 2016 12:54 pm
sorry, forgot to phrase my answer in the form of a chart...
Clodfobble • Oct 18, 2016 7:23 pm
It's all those pawned wedding rings.
sexobon • Oct 18, 2016 7:40 pm
and religious jewelry when people think they were forsaken in the casinos.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 22, 2016 9:19 am
Not the most asked, the question asked more than any other state...
footfootfoot • Oct 22, 2016 2:26 pm
CA: How to spot a narcissist.

LMFAO
Gravdigr • Oct 22, 2016 4:09 pm
Wisconsin: How to impeach a governor.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2016 1:35 pm
The US sewer system, AKA River Basins...
Gravdigr • Oct 27, 2016 2:11 pm
You got a purty map.
glatt • Oct 27, 2016 2:26 pm
I like it.

A few comments:

The Great Lakes are bullshit on this map. They don't look like ferns. They are lakes.

Out West, especially obvious in Southern California, there are a few basins that don't lead anywhere. I just said this, but they are basins. Like a bathtub. It's cool to see them all.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2016 3:22 pm
Have you seen the bottom of the Great Lakes, the flow channels to the US border?
glatt • Oct 27, 2016 3:42 pm
xoxoxoBruce;972169 wrote:
Have you seen the bottom of the Great Lakes, the flow channels to the US border?


Only photographs of the Edmund Fitzgerald wreck, and the camera didn't get much detail of the surrounding topography.

The lines on this map are all nice and straight and parallel in those lakes. Nature isn't like that.
Griff • Oct 29, 2016 1:01 pm
xoxoxoBruce;972150 wrote:
The US sewer system, AKA River Basins...

Cool you can trace the Hudson back to here!
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 7, 2016 4:38 pm
Where is it legal to take a ballot selfie.
Gravdigr • Nov 24, 2016 5:17 pm
Might as well get it started:

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2016 12:28 am
Damn commies, socialists, hipsters, and whippersnappers. :crone:
classicman • Dec 2, 2016 2:47 pm
People are getting dumberer
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2016 6:28 pm
Now they say, fuck democracy, what about MEEEEEEEE.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 4, 2016 12:40 pm
Mom's basement...
Gravdigr • Dec 6, 2016 1:54 pm
I wonder if there's a chart/graph showing how many parents live their children?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 6, 2016 2:35 pm
That's included, The PEW mentioned that when looking at income levels of these people, a small percentage of kids living with parents are actually care givers/supporters.
glatt • Dec 6, 2016 2:50 pm
I'm an adult, and I live at home.
Gravdigr • Dec 6, 2016 4:06 pm
We all do.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2016 10:13 pm
I thought the was cool.
Griff • Dec 8, 2016 10:05 am
You thought right.
Undertoad • Dec 8, 2016 11:14 am
"And further below, Lake Ontario / takes in what Lake Erie can send her"
footfootfoot • Dec 8, 2016 11:32 am
Griff;972255 wrote:
Cool you can trace the Hudson back to here!


Been there.
footfootfoot • Dec 8, 2016 11:35 am
xoxoxoBruce;971078 wrote:
Doctors...


This graph doesn't make sense to me. What is a psychiatric surgeon?
infinite monkey • Dec 8, 2016 12:14 pm
A lobotomist?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2016 12:18 pm
footfootfoot;975818 wrote:
This graph doesn't make sense to me. What is a psychiatric surgeon?
Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?
Gravdigr • Dec 8, 2016 2:00 pm
footfootfoot;975818 wrote:
This graph doesn't make sense to me. What is a psychiatric surgeon?


Psychosurgery, also called neurosurgery for mental disorder (NMD).
Gravdigr • Dec 8, 2016 2:02 pm
footfootfoot;975818 wrote:
This graph doesn't make sense to me. What is a psychiatric surgeon?


xoxoxoBruce;975822 wrote:
Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?


He's talking about this graph, I think.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2016 3:36 pm
Oh. But that graph doesn't have any psychiatric surgeons, so he must have been joking or drunk. ;)
footfootfoot • Dec 8, 2016 4:08 pm
Surgeons are red, psychiatrists are blue. Every line / specialty has both red and blue segments. How can psychiatrists be represented on every line?

Makes no sense.

I'm guessing they mean repubs are red and demos are blue.

Fucking New York Times, Hire a proof reader.

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glatt • Dec 8, 2016 4:20 pm
it was the TL/DR headline
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2016 5:28 pm
glatt;975875 wrote:
it was the TL/DR headline

Yes, pointing to the extremes(nobody would know what infectious disease was referring to).

However, nowhere does it mention psychiatric surgeons so I was confused.
footfootfoot • Dec 8, 2016 8:44 pm
Join the confused club. FTR, TL;DR goes at the end, and putting that headline at the top of a chart is dumb.

0/10 hated it.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2016 9:10 pm
You're one of them there deplorables, aren't ya. Image
Griff • Dec 9, 2016 7:13 am
footfootfoot;975817 wrote:
Been there.


Is purdy, yes?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 9, 2016 8:47 am
Exemptions...
footfootfoot • Dec 9, 2016 1:25 pm
Griff;975909 wrote:
Is purdy, yes?


Very. And if you time it right, very few insects.
footfootfoot • Dec 9, 2016 1:26 pm
xoxoxoBruce;975912 wrote:
Exemptions...


Yet more evidence showing that religion is the root of all evil. YMMV.
Clodfobble • Dec 9, 2016 5:20 pm
When the doctors are bullied into being too scared to sign a legitimate medical exemption, you have to claim a religious exemption.
BigV • Dec 9, 2016 8:34 pm
for not providing medical care for your ill child?

for beating your child with a rod no bigger than your thumb?


:poke:

I'd like to hear the justifications for some of the exemptions touted in the graphic.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2016 12:20 am
Drugs are bad, OK?
footfootfoot • Dec 10, 2016 12:22 am
BigV;975968 wrote:


for beating your child with a rod no bigger than your thumb?


:poke:

I'd like to hear the justifications for some of the exemptions touted in the graphic.


They were asking for it?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2016 11:41 am
....
Gravdigr • Dec 12, 2016 12:23 pm
Some of that is just weird.
Pi • Dec 13, 2016 4:07 am
This will be available soon : https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/03431/facts.national_geographic_infographics.htm
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 23, 2016 5:24 am
Pornhub keeps an eye on their customers, Santa checks with them often when making his naughty and nice lists.
Griff • Dec 23, 2016 9:11 am
"While globalization, immigration and the free market have strong support from the winners of these themes &#8211; the plutonomists and the highly educated, in our view they seem to have underestimated the frustration of developed market middle and working classes," write Equity Strategists Ajay Singh Kapur and Ritesh Samadhiya. "We think Brexit could just be the first surprise in a re-calibration of the world away from globalization towards more inward looking policymaking. Away from Wall Street and more towards Main Street. Away from financial asset reflation to more income support and wage inflation."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-27/get-ready-to-see-this-globalization-elephant-chart-over-and-over-again

Meanwhile the press thinks the Russians blew up this election cycle.
Undertoad • Dec 23, 2016 10:43 am
That is about as big as big can get. Thanks G.

Meanwhile a WaPo opinion headline today is "Why the white working class votes against itself." Last week it was Russia's fault. But that didn't stick and there was a tiny problem of not having any proof available, so apparently this week it's back to being the dumb voters' fault again.
Griff • Dec 23, 2016 11:51 am
Dang, I'm a news cycle behinder.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 24, 2016 2:24 pm
Favorite Christmas films...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 24, 2016 6:55 pm
National Geographic tries to sort the country into economic regions.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 27, 2016 9:04 pm
Yay nurses... I'm surprised Senators are so high.
Clodfobble • Dec 28, 2016 12:08 am
Members of Congress is 8%, but Senators are 12%? People are either way, way down on their opinions of Representatives, or they're too stupid to know that Senators are Congressmen.
glatt • Dec 28, 2016 7:20 am
Clodfobble;977639 wrote:
or they're too stupid to know that Senators are Congressmen.


This has bugged me for a long time but I have given in to it. It's one of those things where common incorrect usage is giving a word a new meaning.

Technically, both Senators and Representatives are Congressmen. But in common speech, a Senator is a Senator and a Representative is a Congressmen. My theory is that because a Senator is more powerful, the Representative wants to have some of that power rub off on them by lumping themselves in with the Senators and referring to themselves as Congressmen.

But the Senators want to keep the Representatives at arms length, so they don't refer to themselves as Congressmen. They are Senators, thank you very much.
Clodfobble • Dec 28, 2016 9:44 am
Interesting, I never knew that. You live in (basically) DC, so I'll take your word for it. I'll grant you that Representatives tend to be dumber and crazier than Senators since you've only got to get a small area of idiots to vote for you. Hell, I'd trust most city council people over Representatives, because nobody wants the city council jobs, it's only people who genuinely care (though they may care about opposite things than I do). Representatives all have dreams of moving up the ladder, and will pander to anyone.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 28, 2016 11:13 am
Congressmen sounds better than Housers. :lol:
tw • Dec 28, 2016 11:47 am
glatt;977644 wrote:
Technically, both Senators and Representatives are Congressmen.


All humans - men and women - are men. I have just used two completely different words - men and men. Word association is classic junk science reasoning. It assumes a same word can only mean one thing.

Congressmen and Congressmen are two completely different words. And to keep you confused, we also have Congresswomen - who are also Congressmen.
classicman • Jan 2, 2017 11:56 am
Which are you?
classicman • Jan 2, 2017 12:07 pm
Anyone care to explain what this actually is? I honestly don't get it.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 2, 2017 12:31 pm
It's a map of who voted for whom.
glatt • Jan 2, 2017 12:36 pm
It shows rural areas appear to have more land than cities do.
Gravdigr • Jan 2, 2017 2:41 pm
classicman;978269 wrote:
Which are you?


The realist should be saying "Someone's going to have to wash this glass."
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 2, 2017 2:53 pm
Or nod to the bartender for a refill. :blush:
classicman • Jan 2, 2017 5:23 pm
xoxoxoBruce;978272 wrote:
It's a map of who voted for whom.


Its more than that, isn't it? I believe its also the %'s in the areas.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 2, 2017 6:08 pm
The key shows 51 % and higher for each candidate. Not states or electoral vote, the popular vote. That why it shows those scattered cities for Clinton in large rural blank areas.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 2, 2017 7:33 pm
This proves I'm not typical. :lol2:
glatt • Jan 2, 2017 9:03 pm
That's cool. I'd love to have a personalized one that had all events from my own life. Milestones, moves, vacations, trips, etc. It would be cool to be able to dive down into a week to see minor events. Data.
BigV • Jan 3, 2017 2:03 am
down to the week?... compared to? I think I already have this data for the things that I lived. Some are down to the day, birthdays, anniversaries; some are down to the season, some are one time events.

I find the graph confusing.
glatt • Jan 3, 2017 8:11 am
Sure. I could fill in the big events, no problem. I'd be curious to have all the small, but memorable events in my personalized chart too. But I don't have mental time stamps for all of those.
Pico and ME • Jan 3, 2017 12:42 pm
I would like it too, especially if it was something that just happened on its own, like a sci-fy story....and you could access it with VR goggles.
glatt • Jan 3, 2017 12:55 pm
Absolutely. It has to happen on its own. I don't want to do that work.

But no peeking into the future. The chart needs to end with today.
Gravdigr • Jan 3, 2017 2:33 pm
glatt;978414 wrote:
But no peeking into the future. The chart needs to end with today.


Oh, no. No, no.

I desperately need to know the exact date & time I'm gonna get laid next.

Desperately.
BigV • Jan 3, 2017 11:02 pm
apparently, you make your own luck.

get BUSY man!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2017 6:06 pm
Unfortunately it's been one a week for the last two years.
Snakeadelic • Jan 6, 2017 9:39 am
Expressing voter opinion in the form of a topographical-style map. Weird, but effective.
Gravdigr • Jan 6, 2017 12:37 pm
BigV;978492 wrote:
apparently, you make your own luck.

get BUSY man!


When I make my own luck, it's usually bad.

I need to try someone else's luck.:p:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2017 3:13 pm
Pornhub year end report has a bunch of graphs by country, by state, by sex, searched for categories and time watched.
fargon • Jan 6, 2017 3:17 pm
Porn Hub my favorite.
glatt • Jan 6, 2017 4:07 pm
4.6 Billion hours watched.

There are 7 billion people on the planet, so that's 4.6 divided by 7, or .65 hours per person on the planet. And 0.65 hours is 39 minutes per person on Earth

The also say 12.5 videos viewed per person on earth, so that means there are 12.5 videos in 39 minutes. That works out each video being an average of 3 minutes and 9 seconds long.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2017 5:01 pm
If you look a the times per state, Mississippi is high with 11 minutes.
Spexxvet • Jan 7, 2017 9:24 am
glatt;978752 wrote:
4.6 Billion hours watched.

There are 7 billion people on the planet, so that's 4.6 divided by 7, or .65 hours per person on the planet. And 0.65 hours is 39 minutes per person on Earth

The also say 12.5 videos viewed per person on earth, so that means there are 12.5 videos in 39 minutes. That works out each video being an average of 3 minutes and 9 seconds long.


Isn't that how long it takes to have sex? ;)
BigV • Jan 7, 2017 11:13 am
Define "sex".
Gravdigr • Jan 7, 2017 3:48 pm
I know it when I see it.
BigV • Jan 8, 2017 3:26 pm
Right. Lights *on*.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 8, 2017 10:57 pm
Most expensive cities, monthly, to live in...
glatt • Jan 9, 2017 8:10 am
I didn't expect to see Auckland in there
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2017 6:59 pm
Want to bet the red is much smaller in four years?
Undertoad • Jan 9, 2017 7:21 pm
Selling it is a Congressional matter. That's why they lease it out instead.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2017 7:32 pm
Yes, Congressional matter, but I'll bet a lot of it, along with airports and toll roads, become privatized during the next four years.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 14, 2017 8:26 pm
Child mortality
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2017 4:50 pm
Where does the money go?
tw • Feb 19, 2017 12:40 am
Where is a $3trillion spent (borrowed to pay for) the Mission Accomplished war? (That does not include other wars such as Afghanistan.)
footfootfoot • Feb 19, 2017 1:33 pm
Odd that social security is considered spending when it should really be considered repayment.

If we were to subtract social security from the government's accounting (on the assumption that what goes in goes back out and is not a fee for service nor a grant and is not income for the government) how would that affect the pie?
BigV • Feb 19, 2017 1:45 pm
footfootfoot;982452 wrote:
Odd that social security is considered spending when it should really be considered repayment.

If we were to subtract social security from the government's accounting (on the assumption that what goes in goes back out and is not a fee for service nor a grant and is not income for the government) how would that affect the pie?


I like how you said aaaalll that a never used the word entitlement.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 19, 2017 2:39 pm
They stripped the Social Security fund to support the Vietnam war, so now they(we) have to pay for Social Security.
footfootfoot • Feb 20, 2017 12:51 am
xoxoxoBruce;982462 wrote:
They stripped the Social Security fund to support the Vietnam war, so now they(we) have to pay for Social Security.


Yeah. What should really be happening is that money from the military budget should be repaying the pilfered social security funds. With interest.

Wars do not actually help the economy.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 20, 2017 9:42 pm
Bud light = $2,022 x 1million = $2,022,000,000. That's over $2Billion just for Bud Light.
Undertoad • Feb 20, 2017 10:54 pm
Yuengling Traditional Lager


~ Pennsylvania represent! Family-owned kicking ass up against the big bevs! ~

I can't have carbs but uh you guys should drink this
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 20, 2017 11:43 pm
Yuengling had their nose so far up Trumps ass it was disgraceful. I quit drinking it. :eyebrow:
Undertoad • Feb 21, 2017 7:44 am
Fuckin' good for them. I have friends who voted for Trump.

Why does it matter? Superstition!! What is the rhyme now?

Drink a beer that favors Trump
Seven years you'll have bad luck


My god I like to mock my friend who loves Politics but hates Sports

We are now at the Beer Sponsorship phase of them being exactly alike.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2017 11:31 am
I still don't go to McDonalds because Ray Croc was Nixon's biggest campaign donor. I also don't go to walmart because they're evil. If Yuengling can show bias, so can I. Image
footfootfoot • Feb 21, 2017 12:19 pm
Drink a beer that favors Trump
No Roe v. Wade = baby bump


Drink a beer that favors Trump
Ship the school books to the dump


Drink a beer that favors Trump
Grab a pussy, squeeze a rump


Drink a beer that favors Trump
Marginalize others into one big lump
Undertoad • Feb 21, 2017 1:41 pm
Drink a beer that favors Trump
Seven years you'll have bad luck


plz change that last line to:

"Eight more years you'll have bad luck"

what was I thinking before. meter isn't everything.
BigV • Feb 22, 2017 12:27 am
right, besides, he's all about divide and conquer and divide.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 23, 2017 5:00 pm
This one creates more questions than answers...
footfootfoot • Feb 24, 2017 3:09 pm
I'm gonna guess that Chicago is carrying the rest of the state.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2017 9:03 pm
It's common knowledge Australia has more dangerous critters than anywhere, but in reality they don't kill the most Aussies.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2017 12:27 pm
Where the sex fiends live... Did I say fiends, I meant friends. :blush:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2017 8:36 pm
State's biggest lakes, and states without a river border
BigV • Mar 6, 2017 8:24 pm
What about Rhode Island?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2017 9:21 pm
What about it?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2017 3:28 pm
Getting rid of those pesky scientists...
glatt • Mar 8, 2017 12:16 pm
If you are like most American adults, you are probably having less sex than you used to.

This study breaks it down. In a nutshell, American adults had sex 60 times a year in 1989 and 53 times a year in 2014.

Check out your own demographic and gloat, or be bummed. My wish for you is that you can gloat. To yourself, of course.

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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2017 12:38 pm
Sex? Oh yeah, I remember that, fun as I recall. :o
Gravdigr • Mar 8, 2017 3:03 pm
I remember it fondly.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2017 11:14 pm
This was posted as a piss poor way to show data so I don't know how old it is or how they determined how many internet users there are in a country. If dad subscribes does his wife and 3 kids get counted too??
Clodfobble • Mar 8, 2017 11:42 pm
51 million users in the U.S., out of a population of 300+ million? My ass. That thing's got to be at least a decade old.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2017 11:58 pm
A quick Google gives me:
India 2016................462,124,989
China 2016...............721,434,547
Indonesia 2016..........53,236,719
USA 2016..................286,942,362
And they add to be counted it must be working, internet subscribed, equipment.

http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users-by-country/
glatt • Mar 11, 2017 6:00 pm
I walked a marathon today. Not an official one. It was actually a 25.6 mile hike, but I parked 0.4 miles from the start to make it a marathon when I got back in the car.

Son of glatt did it too.

I'm thinking it might have been a bad idea because I ache.

But here's a graph of my steps over the last month.
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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 11, 2017 7:12 pm
Good thing the boy will soon be big enough to carry home. :lol:

What Europeans(including Brits) think of each other.
Clodfobble • Mar 12, 2017 3:39 pm
Poland considers Germany the most and also the least trustworthy... France felt they were the most and the least arrogant... And this is why we need to have only 2 political parties. Vote splitting never helps anyone.
Griff • Mar 12, 2017 6:59 pm
hmm...
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 27, 2017 2:16 pm
Keep in mind this is an average of many studies, your mileage may vary.;)
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 30, 2017 9:52 pm
Tourists, or as everyone knows, dangerous terrorists who must be stripped and groped.
footfootfoot • Mar 31, 2017 2:03 pm
The coolest thing I've seen in a long time. More than a chart, more than a graph, more than a woman

https://earth.nullschool.net/about.html
a visualization of global weather conditions
forecast by supercomputers
updated every three hours

ocean surface current estimates
updated every five days

ocean surface temperatures and
anomaly from daily average (1981-2011)
updated daily

ocean waves
updated every three hours.


Mesmerizing. Click on "earth" to open the menu.

Cancel this afternoon's appointments.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-65.89,40.79,331/loc=153.793,-28.349
Flint • Mar 31, 2017 2:19 pm
"global," "weather," "temperatures"


sounds like [SIZE="4"]FAKE NEWS.[/SIZE] Nice try, snowflake.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 31, 2017 6:31 pm
Cool, I've been getting that information from three different websites, but they have it all there. :thumb:
Undertoad • Apr 1, 2017 12:58 am
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NY Times: "Do Millennial Men want Stay-at-Home Wives?"

Such an unexpected reversal. But when I told J about it, she said, oh that's when the latchkey parents really took hold. This is the generation raised by two-career households. And dang if the NYT article said,

Are we facing a stall or even a turnaround in the movement toward gender equality? That&#8217;s a possibility, especially if we continue to pin our hopes on an evolutionary process of generational liberalization. But there is considerable evidence that the decline in support for "nontraditional" domestic arrangements stems from young people witnessing the difficulties experienced by parents in two-earner families.
BigV • Apr 1, 2017 1:00 am
footfootfoot;985648 wrote:
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Cancel this afternoon's appointments.
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You, my tripod friend, have a positive *flair* for understatement.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 1, 2017 1:01 am
I would love an economy where that is an option, and still not be in poverty.
Griff • Apr 1, 2017 9:09 am
xoxoxoBruce;985738 wrote:
I would love an economy where that is an option, and still not be in poverty.


The economy is not for people. You need to get with the program.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 1, 2017 11:42 am
That's right, I forgot. :smack:

This is a map of dubious origin so wear a condom in every state.
Clodfobble • Apr 1, 2017 1:24 pm
Undertoad wrote:
NY Times: "Do Millennial Men want Stay-at-Home Wives?"


I think men's opinions are less about parental responsibility and more driven by the economy. When the economy is great, they want the wives to stay home. When their paycheck isn't enough, they want the women to work. Women's opinions, well, they're all over the place because women are notoriously fickle. ;)
Gravdigr • Apr 1, 2017 4:41 pm
Wimmins, they be tricksy.
Gravdigr • Apr 1, 2017 4:44 pm
footfootfoot;985648 wrote:
The coolest thing I've seen in a long time. More than a chart, more than a graph, more than a woman

https://earth.nullschool.net/about.html

Mesmerizing. Click on "earth" to open the menu.

Cancel this afternoon's appointments.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-65.89,40.79,331/loc=153.793,-28.349


I think someone here put that up not too long ago, Glatt, maybe.

Very time consuming site.:yesnod:
gvidas • Apr 2, 2017 2:01 am
re: the NYT graph about millennial men:

https://scatter.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/adventures-in-garbage-millennial-confirmation-bias/

TL;DR: the NYT graph uses a really small sample size, doesn't include 2016 data.

The GSS surveys are pretty small &#8211; about 2,000-3,000 per wave &#8211; so once you split by sample, and then split by age, and then exclude the older millennials (age 26-34) who don&#8217;t show any negative trend in gender equality, you&#8217;re left with cells of about 60-100 men ages 18-25 per wave. Standard errors on any given year are 6-8 percent.
Undertoad • Apr 2, 2017 3:32 am
WOW good work gvidas.

Garbage statistics in the NY fuckin' Times...
Griff • Apr 2, 2017 9:38 am
I guess that's how Dewey beats Truman.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 2, 2017 2:19 pm
exclude the older millennials (age 26-34) who don’t show any negative trend in gender equality,
But the graph does indicate that in the labeling? Are they talking about why, rather than what, it shows?
BigV • Apr 2, 2017 5:22 pm
xoxoxoBruce;985888 wrote:
But the graph does indicate that in the labeling? Are they talking about why, rather than what, it shows?


Well, the graph you posted did say "Young people, old views". It did not say millenials, where gvidas substituted that label. Both graphs clearly indicate which age groups are being illustrated. the NYT did not say that millenials are ages 18-25.

As for "why", the author of the original NYT article does offer an opinion, supporting it with other studies. Her main thrust is that uncertain economic times have made it necessary, but much more difficult given the dearth of family friendly work and social policies. She suggests that it's unsurprising that the participants in the survey would *want* an environment where one partner would be the "breadwinner" and the other partner would be the "homemaker".
From the NYT article:
As a set of reports released Friday by the Council on Contemporary Families reveals, fewer of the youngest millennials, those aged 18 to 25, support egalitarian family arrangements than did the same age group 20 years earlier.


It might be the fucking New York Times, but they're a serious journalistic enterprise, even extending those standards to the Opinion pages, as evidenced by this:
Update: After this article was posted, 2016 data from the General Social Survey became available, adding some nuance to this analysis. The latest numbers show a rebound in young men’s disagreement with the claim that male-breadwinner families are superior. The trend still confirms a rise in traditionalism among high school seniors and 18-to-25-year-olds, but the new data shows that this rise is no longer driven mainly by young men, as it was in the General Social Survey results from 1994 through 2014.


Despite the fact that the new evidence reduces the size of the statistical evidence the author points to in her essay, she includes it nonetheless. I find this a reassuring hallmark of honesty and integrity. She, like the New York Times overall, wants to get the story right, and wants to keep getting the story right. This in contrast to "Believe me."
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 2, 2017 8:51 pm
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck are you talking about, the graph I posted had nothing to do with millennials or the NYT. :headshake
BigV • Apr 3, 2017 12:21 am
CORRECTION:

My mistake. The graph Undertoad posted. All else remains the same.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 5, 2017 10:54 am
Forget zombies, as the climate warms Dragons may reappear.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 5, 2017 8:26 pm
Seat belt use, I think the numbers are about 87% for women and 81% for men.
Flint • Apr 6, 2017 12:52 pm
Apparently I've only ever lived in counties where almost everyone wears their seat belts. Perspective. I thought everyone, everywhere wore seat belts.

eta:
I'm currently in the least seat belt-wearing place I've ever lived, and I like it better here.
Clodfobble • Apr 6, 2017 12:53 pm
My father never has, ever. Just hates them for no reason he can explain. He used to tell us as kids that it was safe for him because he "had the steering wheel to hold onto."
Flint • Apr 6, 2017 12:56 pm
My father doesn't like quinoa because he can't/won't pronounce it.

I've never told him that I have a childhood memory of my grandfather saying he doesn't like pizza because he can't pronounce it.

I wonder what "new" food I won't like...
glatt • Apr 6, 2017 2:04 pm
I don't have a chart to show you, but picture two circle groups that line up almost perfectly with one another.

My wife was telling me a story yesterday about her day at work. She works as a school based substitute teacher, which means she floats around a lot during the day. When she has nothing to do, she offers to do chores.

Yesterday, she was sorting through the lost and found box. The items were piled high, just bursting out of the lost and found box. So she started by sorting items by those that were labeled with a name and those that were not.

Then she went to the school library, where she could look up the student name in the system and see what home room each kid had, and return the item.

The PCs in the library have been set up to make a loud alert sound whenever a student with a bunch of overdue books has their account accessed. That way, the librarian can ask about it before loaning out more books.

Can you guess where this is leading? Every single student who is the kind of student who leaves their hoodie in the mulch on the playground is the same kind of student who also has a lot of overdue library books. That machine was sounding loud alerts the entire time my wife was looking up the names on the lost and found items. And the librarian kept looking up with each chime.
Flint • Apr 6, 2017 2:23 pm
I understand the reason for the system, but I'm not sure how I feel about the kids who presumably don't have their shit together (we might imagine, not good home environment?) being shamed in front of everyone?

Like, any situation in school which could make everyone in the room turn and look at you, I'm sensitive to that. That could easily be counter-productive. Like, it happens once and the kid never goes to a library again. Ends up with a lifelong phobia of reading.
glatt • Apr 6, 2017 3:00 pm
Actually, my wife has told me previously that this particular librarian is a bitch.

Not her choice of words, but mine.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 6, 2017 3:05 pm
I would presume when Mrs glatt returns the lost item she doesn't announce to the class the kid also has overdue books.
BigV • Apr 6, 2017 9:31 pm
did she find any books?
glatt • Apr 6, 2017 10:04 pm
Turns out that the loud PC is in back so books on hold aren't shelved. The PC at the front desk is muted.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 9, 2017 1:38 am
The largest employer is each state, which means 19 walmart states are subsidizing the employees of the state's largest employer. A dozen or so it's the state university, but I suspect it's not the school, but programs attached to the school, things like medical programs and research labs.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 19, 2017 10:57 pm
A reporter for a travel site took four one way first class flights from LA to NY and back twice.
glatt • Apr 20, 2017 8:45 am
Somewhat interesting, but I don't see that ever applying to me.

I'd like to see a chart that compares other stuff that applies to coach.

Seat size, percentage of overbooked flights, delays due to airline screw ups, lost luggage, price, add-on costs, snack quality, cleanliness of aircraft, surliness of crew.
Gravdigr • Apr 20, 2017 4:13 pm
Plushness of the carpet you'll dragged over...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 20, 2017 4:21 pm
Percentage of income spent on...
Happy Monkey • Apr 21, 2017 10:59 am
I see food, but no lodging?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 22, 2017 1:08 am
An analysis of emails at work to determine how soon they should be responded to...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2017 3:52 pm
Olde map...
xoxoxoBruce • May 4, 2017 4:32 pm
What's your country tops in?
Gravdigr • May 4, 2017 4:45 pm
Wait.

Fat kids in Africa?

I had serious doubts about this chart because of that one.

Then I saw that Columbia was tops in happiness.

Cocaine. Happiness. Coincidence? I think not.
tw • May 5, 2017 9:17 pm
Gravdigr;988046 wrote:
Then I saw that Columbia was tops in happiness.

They only need look to the east. Then everyone can say they are happier.
Gravdigr • May 6, 2017 5:12 pm
[strike]I don't get it.

East. Sugar? Forests? Child Labor? Coke beats the shit outta all that.[/strike]

Nevermind. I understood that wrong.:)
tw • May 6, 2017 9:03 pm
Columbia does not need coke. They do not have blast furnaces.
xoxoxoBruce • May 7, 2017 12:45 am
I wonder if they got their information from motel registers?
xoxoxoBruce • May 8, 2017 12:54 am
This should come as no surprise. You can imagine how difficult is is to find a black man/woman who has millions of dollars, is willing to sell their soul, and is happy to take orders from the party to vote for shit that suppresses their brothers and sisters. :eyebrow:
xoxoxoBruce • May 10, 2017 1:28 am
Two fer...
xoxoxoBruce • May 23, 2017 12:51 am
They did an online poll of 600 people to see what they keep a secret. They also did a paper/pencil poll of 200 picnickers in Central Park and the results were almost identical.
Griff • May 23, 2017 7:38 am
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xoxoxoBruce • May 23, 2017 12:32 pm
That's a strange site, but the commenters are typical of every site talking politics. Two camps trading insults saying the others a fools. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • May 23, 2017 3:43 pm
Kinda like any satellite 'news' channel.

"Here's what you should think. And here's why you're stupid for thinking anything else."
xoxoxoBruce • May 23, 2017 6:07 pm
The site just charts what people are betting with their own money, like the stock market. The comments are where people argue why they bet what they bet, and why people who bet against them are stupid.
xoxoxoBruce • May 23, 2017 6:10 pm
Life expectancy compared to the national average, for each state.
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2017 12:47 am
A self reported poll, has automation affected your job.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 1, 2017 12:51 pm
Revenue per employee...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 1, 2017 12:52 pm
moar...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 2, 2017 12:10 am
Guys do guy stuff more than other stuff.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 8, 2017 3:56 pm
I was reading the rules for this crazy unpowered boat race starting today
The first leg is from Port Townsend WA 40 miles to Victoria BC.
The second leg is from Victoria BC, 710 miles to Ketchikan AK.
Anyway, in the rules was this chart of battery life that I thought interesting
BigV • Jun 8, 2017 9:40 pm
battery chart interesting.

race on the other hand is insane.

no engines, no support teams, ready, go.

first place, $10,000. Second place, a set of steak knives.

this year they have three paddleboard entrants. W . T . F .
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 9, 2017 1:42 am
The Nukes are coming, the Nukes are coming, and it won't be over till it's over over here.
BigV • Jun 10, 2017 12:23 pm
Bummer of a birthmark, Hal.
Griff • Jun 10, 2017 12:49 pm
Ha! blast from the past
Gravdigr • Jun 12, 2017 2:08 pm
BigV;990462 wrote:
Bummer of a birthmark, Hal.


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Wow. Says 1986 in the corner. That is definitely The Past.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 14, 2017 4:47 pm
Tracking the emojis used on Twitter before and after the appearance on the gun.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 15, 2017 7:47 pm
People shedding cable TV.
Clodfobble • Jun 15, 2017 10:38 pm
We got rid of ours--and also our land line--maybe six months ago. Haven't missed it.
BigV • Jun 15, 2017 11:37 pm
Gravdigr;990608 wrote:
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Wow. Says 1986 in the corner. That is definitely The Past.


Well, yeah. The Golden Age of The Far Side. Who here wasn't a fan then, I ask you?

Excellent detective work, by the way, well done. It's exactly as I remember it.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 16, 2017 12:31 am
Larson retired on 1-01-95, that's 22.5 years ago and his cartoons are still popular.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 21, 2017 3:44 pm
Oil prices are down. Gas prices are up. :confused:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 23, 2017 12:20 am
A guy was unhappy with Comcast because he was paying for 150 Mbps and not getting it so he set up an automatic system to tweet every hour if it dropped below 50 Mbps, just 1/3rd of what he was paying for.

The FCC reports each year on internet service provided to panelists (the 12000 people monitored by Samknows. I'm one). Samknows is a British company hired by the FCC to do this.
Gravdigr • Jun 27, 2017 11:03 am
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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 27, 2017 11:15 am
How much time the average person spends with whom during there lifetime.
Makes sense, early 20s carousing with friends drops off, so does your parents family as you start your own. Cow orkers fade after you retire, children head out to their future after you're 40, partners die off after 70, and alone sometimes by choice and sometimes by isolation.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 18, 2017 1:08 am
Each countries favorite car brand.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 20, 2017 12:00 am
What your State Hates... at least on one dating site. :D
glatt • Jul 20, 2017 8:47 am
I call bullshit on the data, but the answers are all kinds of awesome
Gravdigr • Jul 20, 2017 3:56 pm
I do hate helping friends move. So, that one might be on the money.
Undertoad • Aug 3, 2017 5:29 pm
Has the Smartphone destroyed a generation? The Atlantic ponders as the data comes in to say, "OMG YES". Long time defender of phones but this is pretty amazing...

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Undertoad • Aug 3, 2017 5:30 pm
(and a thought: if the trend began before the phone's release, it might not have been the phone that did it.)
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 3, 2017 6:55 pm
It's not just the phone, the internet and electronic games have surely provided distraction from hanging out with the gang.

Oh, sorry, didn't mean to call you Shirley.
glatt • Aug 3, 2017 8:58 pm
Won't it be amazing if the machines exterminate us by entertaining us so much we don't reproduce.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 3, 2017 10:34 pm
Having too much fun to fuck? Hard to believe.
Although thinking about it, the money, time, and work to get it the first time is considerable for us normal people.
After that I'm hooked, but if there were enough distractions around that tender age to discourage that first time, plus a peer group of virgins... hmm, interesting?
Clodfobble • Aug 4, 2017 8:08 am
Plus internet porn has warped all expectations and satisfies the itch just enough to lower their effort even more. But I've read much more compelling stuff connecting the lower sex and pregnancy rates to the hit show "16 and Pregnant." Now being a pregnant teen is decidedly trashy.
Gravdigr • Aug 5, 2017 2:54 pm
Clodfobble;993403 wrote:
Plus internet porn has warped all expectations and satisfies the itch just enough to lower their effort even more.


That.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 5, 2017 4:25 pm
Evidently it's not lowering everyone's effort as some are working harder at getting ready. :facepalm:
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2017 12:03 am
What Europeans would fight for their country?
Undertoad • Aug 12, 2017 11:03 am
This is a map of how much everybody thinks the people next door are likely to be trouble :)
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 17, 2017 3:48 pm
This claims what your $100 will buy in each state. I assume if you're a normal shopper.
glatt • Aug 17, 2017 3:58 pm
Another way of explaining the data is that the cost of living tends to be higher in more desirable locations.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 17, 2017 7:20 pm
Desirable being highly subjective. Image
Happy Monkey • Aug 17, 2017 7:22 pm
Ha! Take that Hawaii. DC's got you beat.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 1, 2017 11:45 pm
Wonder what your car mechanic makes? DC wins again.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 14, 2017 1:45 am
Neither suicide by cop, nor robbery by cop, has subsided.
Flint • Sep 14, 2017 11:34 am
It is exasperating and incomprehensible that some people still believe a "magical government uniform" grants you the right to steal and murder with no consequences whatsoever.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 19, 2017 8:15 pm
2016 most popular baby names in each state. With the girls you only have to go to #2 nationally the find a state where it was most popular, but the boys you have to go to #4.
Undertoad • Sep 19, 2017 10:41 pm
if you were named Liam and you had an email account you would name it liamemail because that is a palindrome.

"Owen" is "Noah" backwards - phonetically. Almost
Gravdigr • Sep 20, 2017 1:34 pm
I know one William. He's 60+.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 20, 2017 11:13 pm
Then there are charts and graphs that tell you nothing. :rolleyes:
fargon • Sep 22, 2017 8:44 pm
Interesting article about pizza, with lots of graphs and an eye opening map. In Wisconsin a pizza costs more than most of the other states at $11.00 for a large plain pizza. I don't know what a "large plain pizza" may consist of.
https://www.civilized.life/articles/cheapest-most-expensive-pizza-united-states/
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 23, 2017 12:10 am
A plain pizza is crust, tomato sauce and cheese. Thin or thick crust is a personal preference but it makes a difference in how man bellies it will fill for the same diameter. But their pricing is bullshit without sizes. Large may be anywhere from 14 to 18 inches in diameter. There's a big difference is square inches.
8&#8243; = 50, 10&#8243; = 79, 12&#8243; = 113, 14&#8243; = 154, 16&#8243; = 201, 18&#8243; = 254 square inches.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 25, 2017 1:40 am
Somebody has to be #1 at something...
Undertoad • Sep 25, 2017 8:01 am
Chad has the "healthiest diet" and life expectancy is 51 years.
Gravdigr • Sep 25, 2017 2:02 pm
Undertoad;996185 wrote:
Chad has the "healthiest diet" and life expectancy is 51 years.


I'm surprised that they live that long.

From Wiki article Health Of Chad:

As of 2004, it was estimated that there were fewer than 3 physicians, 15 nurses, and 2 midwives per 100,000 people.


The most common diseases are schistosomiasis, leprosy, malaria, spinal meningitis, tuberculosis, and yaws, as well as malnutrition.


The 2010 maternal mortality rate per 100,000 births for Chad is 1,200. This is compared with 1065.2 in 2008 and 891 in 1990. The under 5 mortality rate, per 1,000 births is 209 and the neonatal mortality as a percentage of under 5's mortality is 22. In Chad the number of midwives per 1,000 live births is 0.4 and the lifetime risk of death for pregnant women 1 in 14.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 25, 2017 11:13 pm
Yeah, but they eat healthy for a little while. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2017 9:44 pm
Ranking on Google vs age.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 3, 2017 12:40 am
In the first 1,000 digits of Pi, numbers appear pretty evenly except 1.
Happy Monkey • Oct 3, 2017 11:37 am
That doesn't add to 100%.... Are they always rounding down?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 3, 2017 1:55 pm
Close enough for Pi throwing.


Big Broer is watching.
Gravdigr • Oct 4, 2017 12:55 pm
Ran across this the other afternoon, the date in the lower right corner should inform:

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 4, 2017 8:25 pm
That plan was the bomb.
Gravdigr • Oct 5, 2017 2:05 pm
No, that would be this plan:

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Undertoad • Oct 5, 2017 2:17 pm
Why were those two (three actually) targets selected, and in that order?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 5, 2017 6:54 pm
They were the biggest cities left that had a military target and hadn't been firebombed to oblivion.
Undertoad • Oct 11, 2017 7:03 pm
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MIT Technology Review: First Evidence That Online Dating Is Changing the Nature of Society

TL;DR: Researchers. modeling how our networks of friends operate, say online dating is definitely leading to more interracial marriages. They also say the model shows online dating leads to lower rates of marital breakup.
Gravdigr • Oct 12, 2017 2:32 pm
Undertoad;996778 wrote:
Why were those two (three actually) targets selected, and in that order?


xoxoxoBruce;996795 wrote:
They were the biggest cities left that had a military target and hadn't been firebombed to oblivion.


Either Hiroshima or Nagasaki was a secondary target, selected due to weather. I want to say Nagasaki.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 12, 2017 9:43 pm
Where jobs have been and where they're going.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2017 2:37 pm
Much of our recorded history took place in nations between Gibraltar and the east end of the Black Sea, so how big is that?
Here's the Mediterranean and Black Sea laid across the US.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2017 2:44 pm
This years Top 10 worry report that Chapman U puts out every October.
Previous years results and this year's top 80 fears are at their site.
Flint • Oct 13, 2017 5:29 pm
xoxoxoBruce;997075 wrote:
This years Top 10 worry report that Chapman U puts out every October.


That's FAKE NEWS if I ever saw it.
Must be Soros trying to make right-wingers look bad for the average Joe.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 14, 2017 12:57 am
Flint;997093 wrote:
That's FAKE NEWS if I ever saw it.
Must be Soros trying to make right-wingers look bad for the average Joe.
Sure, that's why Homer Simpson is the smartest person on FOX.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 15, 2017 9:48 pm
PA is only 31, must try harder.
Clodfobble • Oct 16, 2017 7:21 am
The South I get, and Alaska makes sense because they're basically rednecks who have to stay indoors all the time with nothing to do but cuddle for warmth. But why is Delaware so high? Statistical anomaly from a low population?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 16, 2017 8:40 am
Maryland, NJ, and PA residents going to a doctor out of state?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 21, 2017 10:35 am
Depreciation of 3 year old cars by color.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 25, 2017 11:43 pm
As the cloud blocks out the Sun...
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2017 10:42 am
This came from the WSJ but the story explaining it is behind a paywall. I don't want to sit that close. :headshake
glatt • Oct 27, 2017 12:03 pm
Yeah, we talked about this years ago. Most people have such poor eyesight that the higher resolution TVs don't give them a noticeably better picture at normal viewing distances unless it is a huge screen. The resolution of the rods and cones in your eyes, which are like pixels in a way, is poorer than the resolution on the tv.

One time my son and I pulled the couch right up to the tv, like 2-3 feet away, to watch a particulary cool NASA thing on PBS, and that was the first time I noticed the pixels watching something on my 720p TV (32").
Gravdigr • Oct 27, 2017 1:17 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 28, 2017 12:50 am
glatt;997762 wrote:


One time my son and I pulled the couch right up to the tv, like 2-3 feet away, to watch a particulary cool NASA thing on PBS, and that was the first time I noticed the pixels watching something on my 720p TV (32").

The first and last time I did that was for Alice Cooper, about '73 I think. :cool:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 1, 2017 12:25 pm
Smith, John Smith...
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 5, 2017 12:45 am
This is from data 7 years old but it seemed to be a trend. If asked if the have had sexual intercourse, like the CDC and most polls do, the stats say teen sex is down. But digging deeper shows that "hooking up" is now popular, which can be anything from a goodnight kiss to anal and/or oral casual sex.
glatt • Nov 6, 2017 11:27 am
It's important to read the numbers and not just go by the pictures.
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xoxoxoBruce • Nov 6, 2017 7:07 pm
Amazon is not about profit, it's about growth.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 8, 2017 12:59 am
If it's true, in the US the streets are paved with gold, we be filthy rich.
Gravdigr • Nov 9, 2017 12:54 am
They paved paradise...
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 9, 2017 9:26 am
What are those billions of pictures being taken of?
Gravdigr • Nov 9, 2017 3:16 pm
A lot of my pics are an attempt to identify something I can't make out with mine eyes.

WTH is that? Click.

Well, with the EOS T6 it's more like [size=5]CLICK![/size]
glatt • Nov 9, 2017 3:55 pm
I recently discovered the triple click on the home key microscope that the iphone has. It's really effective, especially when you play with the colors and contrast. You can see stuff that is basically invisible.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 11, 2017 12:41 am
You know why you see so many of us old folks these days? It's getting too expensive to die.
Undertoad • Nov 11, 2017 8:41 am
"I want to find the old people and tell them, no!! Don't buy burial insurance. They WILL bury you! You know why? Society hates a rotting corpse!"

--Jackie Kashian
Gravdigr • Nov 11, 2017 4:16 pm
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~Boot Hill, as performed by SRV:devil:
glatt • Nov 13, 2017 11:58 am
So when you are a parent who has a kid in college, and you have a nest egg you have slowly scrimped and saved for over time, the government looks at your nest egg when it is deciding what sort of financial aid you deserve, and they determine how much they are going to take.

For years, leading up to my kid going off to college, they would leave around $40k to $50k of your nest egg alone and take a percentage of the nest egg above that. But now that my kid is in college, look at what they protect. This is for a 48 year old parent. It changes by a hundred bucks or so for each year you get older, protecting more.

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College getting more expensive and at the same time, financial aid is being reduced.:(
glatt • Nov 13, 2017 12:01 pm
Fucking Republicans and their fucking austerity.
Griff • Nov 13, 2017 6:20 pm
Austerity for some, tiny American flags for others.

They've (both parties really) punished savings for years, most recently the GOP floating ideas about smaller 401 K contributions and as always bitching about Social Security. Too be fair Hillary gave them cover on Social Security because she too has no fucking idea how people live.
Happy Monkey • Nov 13, 2017 6:51 pm
Four sources of income exist for retired people - Social Security, private pensions, personal savings, and charity. Republicans have all but eliminated pensions, everyone knows their opposition to Social Security, and the 401K proposal was a surprising attack on savings.

I guess you could put, generically, "higher taxes" as a Democratic barrier to savings, but the Republicans end up worse on that, as well - they are against the progressive income tax. If taxes are made less progressive, or, in the worst case, flat, it will be even harder to build savings up from zero.

Are there any Republican proposals that make retirement easier, other than allowing the children of the extremely wealthy to retire when their parents die?
Griff • Nov 14, 2017 7:38 am
The GOP advocates dying young as the retirement plan for working people.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 1, 2017 4:01 pm
Who's right? Base your choice on unproven allegations? Discard even proven allegations in favor of policies? Vote on character rather than policy?
Undertoad • Dec 1, 2017 5:10 pm
I guess, but

Roy Moore scandal begins abt Nov 5
Poll taken Nov 10-15
Al Franken allegation announced Nov 16
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2017 12:37 am
I'm sure it reflects timing but does pose some interesting thoughts.
Would you vote for a person who built an orphanage but ran over your dog?
Would you vote for a person who is promising to build an orphanage but ran over your dog?
Would the circumstances of running over the dog make a difference?
Undertoad • Dec 2, 2017 8:34 am
I was wrong anyway, misread the date, Poll taken Nov 15-20! So what does it really reflect?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2017 10:22 am
Hypocrites?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2017 10:24 am
How hard for English speakers to learn another language...
Undertoad • Dec 2, 2017 11:27 am
That inspired me to create this map:

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2017 8:55 pm
Blofeld's plan is out the window.

For 2016 it was...
Undertoad • Dec 9, 2017 10:34 am
A lot of people are kind of unaware of this, but the entire world is actually getting its shit together.

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 9, 2017 10:50 pm
Maybe it's because so many are dying there's more to go around.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2017 8:52 am
LA LA Land is populated...
BigV • Dec 10, 2017 12:13 pm
It's the place ya oughta be.!
glatt • Dec 10, 2017 12:32 pm
That's the kind of statistic that seems poignant but actually tells you nothing. People live in cities. Counties are different geographical sizes. Metropolitan areas can be divided into counties differently.

I think LA is fortunate that it is all one county.

The DC metro area is split up between several counties in two states and a district and the Federal government has some jurisdiction over it too. Makes coordinating something regional, like the Metro for example, extremely difficult.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 10, 2017 2:42 pm
Just look at the size in red compared to the states in blue.
glatt • Dec 11, 2017 8:26 am
Each individual state in blue. Not all the states in blue.

But it is interesting that NJ, for example, has a smaller population than LA. NJ has some large areas of dense population. CT and MA too. That's kind of surprising.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 17, 2017 10:51 am
Adjusted for inflation of course, and at the peak of the Tulip craze.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 21, 2017 10:11 pm
Some polls from Pulse Nation...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 23, 2017 12:10 am
Isn't it reassuring that our employees in Washington are from the neighborhood and understand our attitudes and needs?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 23, 2017 12:13 am
This is what comes from their careful stewardship of our hard earned money.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 23, 2017 12:14 am
And this is how they get it...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 25, 2017 1:18 pm
From where all blessings flow...
Gravdigr • Dec 25, 2017 3:44 pm
The country that has repeatedly tried to dominate the world and tried to eliminate idk how many different kinds of people produces the majority of the planets medications.

What could possibly go wrong?
Carruthers • Dec 27, 2017 8:07 am
A couple of points in the FWIW category.

(i) It came as something of a surprise to me that US exports are only marginally greater than those of the UK.
I assume that the huge domestic market eases the financial pain.

(ii) Switzerland's position was to be expected. There are only so many watches and cuckoo clocks you can export so the money machine that is the pharmaceutical industry is unlikely to fade away.
Decades ago, a Swiss firm* ended up in an almighty battle with the UK government over the rip off that they had perpetrated on the NHS.
My recollection is that they ended up paying back £400 million and this was in the seventies.

*Pretty sure that I remember the name of the company and the drugs that they overcharged for, but as there is scant evidence on the net to confirm my recollection, I'll leave them unnamed here.
Griff • Dec 27, 2017 11:10 am
but but socialism and no innovation.
Undertoad • Dec 28, 2017 5:01 pm
Politics Is the New Religion Dep't:

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BigV • Dec 31, 2017 11:27 pm
Undertoad;1001085 wrote:
Politics Is the New Religion Dep't:

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Hey UT, I just want to say thank you for including your sources in a footnote.

We don't always agree, but my confidence in your integrity is *complete*.
Undertoad • Jan 1, 2018 8:20 am
it's important to me sir, thank you for your confidence
Griff • Jan 1, 2018 9:16 am
There really are a lot of interesting findings in that poll.
Undertoad • Jan 5, 2018 8:26 pm
Reasons to be cheerful, part 4:

Black unemployment rate falls to record low.

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Flint • Jan 8, 2018 8:29 pm
27 fascinating maps that show how Americans speak English differently across the US

I'm from Texas, and I thought my dad made this one up:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 8, 2018 9:35 pm
Coal is bound to come back. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2018 8:02 pm
Voters and not...
Gravdigr • Jan 10, 2018 12:07 am
xoxoxoBruce;1001925 wrote:
Coal is bound to come back. :rolleyes:


Absolutely.

Sooner or much, much, much, much, much later.:cool:
Clodfobble • Jan 10, 2018 10:59 am
Ha!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2018 9:26 pm
Oh for Christs sake, don't nag, I'll get to it. Before noon, on a monday, in October.
Gravdigr • Jan 13, 2018 4:02 pm
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BigV • Jan 14, 2018 1:51 am
xoxoxoBruce;1002215 wrote:
Oh for Christs sake, don't nag, I'll get to it. Before noon, on a monday, in October.


Just like The Supremes
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
It will be interesting to see what the new tax bill will do to charity.

But as a result of the new tax bill, Dr. Rooney suggests, there will be roughly $21 billion less per year to charity. That’s almost four times the amount of growth in the sector last year. So, if Dr. Rooney is right, the not-for-profits that have lately had the wind at their backs may find themselves sailing into it starting in 2018.

But that may not be the whole story. Even as charitable contributions are under pressure, political contributions look poised to rise. They were already astronomical: 2016 contributions to presidential campaigns were over $2 billion; congressional (Senate and House) races brought in over $4 billion; and state-wide races, over $1,5 billion (all, new highs, and all not counting an unmeasured amount of soft/dark spending).
fargon • Jan 17, 2018 4:57 pm
Women do you watch Porn?
http://mashable.com/2018/01/09/porn-for-women-searches-2017/#vJfJaor90Oqu
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2018 11:51 am
Looks like efforts to keep foreigners out is working. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2018 8:09 pm
US lower 48 forest cover and river basins.
Flint • Jan 26, 2018 12:07 pm
All hail the mighty Columbia, and pay our respects to those who have lost their lives to the Graveyard of the Pacific.

Unlike other major rivers, the current is focused "like a fire hose" without the benefit of a river delta. Conditions can change from calm to life-threatening in as little as five minutes due to changes of direction of wind and ocean swell. Since 1792, approximately 2,000 large ships have sunk in and around the Columbia Bar, and because of the danger and the numerous shipwrecks the mouth of the Columbia River acquired a reputation worldwide as the Graveyard of the Pacific.
Carruthers • Jan 26, 2018 1:29 pm
In the second image it's astonishing how well defined the Continental Divide is.

More on the subject here: Cellar Link.

Incidentally, a similar image depicting the UK appeared in one of our newspapers about a week ago and I can't find the damn thing!
Dwellars will not be surprised to learn that it isn't anywhere near as impressive as that of the USA.
However, we may be small but we're well made. :)
glatt • Jan 26, 2018 1:42 pm
Yeah we've had that actual river map before, I think.

I like how some rivers don't lead to the ocean.

Great Salt Lake
Salton Sea
And that Rocky Mountain one you linked to.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2018 3:46 pm
I thought that river basin or drainage area map was interesting. Looking at the rivers I'm very familiar with, Merrimack, Connecticut, Hudson, Delaware, Susquehanna, and how the scenery in my head plays out along shapes in that picture.

More vaguely, memories of encounters with distant rivers like Ohio, Mississippi, Rio Grand, Yellowstone, Columbia, spur daydreams that make me wish I was goofing off at work. :lol:
glatt • Jan 26, 2018 4:47 pm
I wish the river map had a bit more detail.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2018 10:07 pm
More detail = more bigger. See Geographical survey.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2018 12:25 am
&#9835; Doomsday is a-comin'
The end is in sight
&#9834; Doomsday is a-comin'
There's sufferin' tonight
&#9835; Why don't 'cha hurry hurry hurry home
Why don't 'cha hurry hurry hurry home
&#9834; Look here! Doomsday is a-comin'
There's dyin’ tonight
Undertoad • Jan 27, 2018 10:19 am
After a lifetime of watching those attention-whoring fuckers predict the end of the world, and it not happening, we must now realize that they are exactly as reliable as the Westboro Baptist Church -- and just as scientific.

All the hand-wringing in my lifetime has been a huge waste of mental energy

Human predictions of apocalpyse: 1,000,000,000s

Times it came true: 0

I want my money back
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2018 11:40 pm
No refunds for believing fakers.

Now here's a chart I can believe in...
Undertoad • Feb 1, 2018 12:13 pm
Facebook peak noticed

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glatt • Feb 1, 2018 12:19 pm
Seems legit. I know there is less and less decent content on FB and I check it less frequently.
Undertoad • Feb 1, 2018 12:32 pm
I removed the link from my bookmarks bar so I don't instinctively go. It has cut down visits to one per day, and I think that is about right
Clodfobble • Feb 7, 2018 7:31 am
This segregatation simulation is surprisingly fun and interactive.
Happy Monkey • Feb 7, 2018 11:40 am
Vi Hart is amazing.
Happy Monkey • Feb 7, 2018 12:31 pm
Clicked through the links; Nicky Case is amazing, too.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 10, 2018 7:01 am
Robots per 10,000 workers...
Griff • Feb 11, 2018 8:58 am
Note: somehow automated countries can afford national healthcare, strange-not strange
Undertoad • Feb 13, 2018 8:40 am
Image

from Bill and Melinda Gates 2018 Annual Letter
Carruthers • Feb 13, 2018 11:17 am
However many billions there are in the world, you can bet that most of them will be in front of me at the checkout in Tesco tomorrow morning. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 15, 2018 4:08 pm
Pick the sport that balance out when you eat what you want. :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 16, 2018 10:40 pm
Sales in North America are predicted to be down this year and deaths here were down last year by 1%. But some states were up, like Texas at 7%.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2018 5:31 pm
Puting the time line in a personal perspective...
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 3:40 pm
What am I looking at there?

How does the temp factor in?

Idk what this is.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2018 3:49 pm
The black line is the historical record of temperature and the colored section is predicted. They have an interactive site where you can plug in dates of significant things in your life to see how you relate to the change in climate.
Gravdigr • Mar 6, 2018 3:54 pm
I think I overthunk something somewhere.

Thank you.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2018 10:56 pm
Angle of trajectory vs distance, obviously for the same everything else.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 9, 2018 10:55 pm
For the last 10 years the electric consumption hasn't gone up much.
Undertoad • Mar 9, 2018 10:59 pm
makin' pixels instead of real stuff
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 13, 2018 11:10 pm
US car sales...
glatt • Mar 14, 2018 8:34 am
I learned something new today. I already knew the creation of the SUV and minivan models in the 80s was in response to the fleet fuel efficiency (CAFE) requirements implemented by the Feds. Those models were exempt from the fuel efficiency requirements because they were classified as trucks, not passenger cars. I assumed the crossover vehicles were also considered trucks. But I just looked it up and found I was wrong. The crossover vehicles are considered passenger cars, and must meet the fuel efficiency requirements. So I have no idea why they are so popular other than people just like them.

Wikipedia CAFE sub-entry on SUVs and Minivans.
Happy Monkey • Mar 14, 2018 11:12 am
People need minivans, but don't want to have minivans.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2018 11:30 am
Exactly, minivans replaced the station wagon because the were so practical but they soon acquired the "soccer-mom" stigma becoming uncool. So people bought SUVs to be cool, but they were not as convenient or comfortable so the crossovers were created.
Undertoad • Mar 14, 2018 12:04 pm
Wull I need to haul my bass and band gear, and be just a little less jarred by the urban minefield, and I like to do that while still getting 25 MPG.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2018 12:45 pm
The minivan was perfect for that, the successor to the VW bus with or without Jesus.
Flint • Mar 14, 2018 1:29 pm
The ideal shape of a vehicle is the van. Anything less and you are not maximizing storage area on the wheel base.

In some instances, construction for example, a standard truck is desired for accessibility and storage of irregular-shaped objects. However, the van has the advantage of securing your storage from the elements, as well as *anyone being able to just walk up and take things*
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 14, 2018 8:30 pm
My 13th birthday I had a party after school and my mother picked up a dozen kids in a pickup truck. That's a big no-no these days, that now requires a van.
Glinda • Mar 15, 2018 1:29 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1005723 wrote:
My 13th birthday I had a party after school and my mother picked up a dozen kids in a pickup truck. That's a big no-no these days, that now requires a van.


Whatthehell? Kids are so delicate these days.

smh
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 15, 2018 2:39 pm
The kids aren't delicate, it's parents and lawmakers not allowing kids to experience things we did every day.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 15, 2018 3:05 pm
Media bias. At least one take on it, your mileage may vary. :D
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 15, 2018 3:08 pm
Non-partisan doesn't mean right. :facepalm:
glatt • Mar 15, 2018 4:12 pm
If Brazil were China, that would be pretty close to the correct location.

This also sort of works for Charleston or Savannah.
Undertoad • Mar 15, 2018 4:19 pm
New Republic has tilted that far? Death of a fine rag, used to be taller and more center.

The Atlantic can't share space with Vox and Slate and the Nation. It's better than those

The Enquirer, strictly inaccurate/fabricated unless reporting about John Edwards, which just goes ta show ya, if the top of the heap doesn't do their job, it will be left to the bottom.
Flint • Mar 15, 2018 4:45 pm
I find myself clicking on The Hill quite a bit. They seem level-headed, technically proficient, and they skew a little to the Right, which I intentionally seek out to counter-balance my implicit hard-Left opinions. NPR, BBC, The Economist are good choices, too.
Carruthers • Mar 16, 2018 6:14 am
Happiness report: Finland is world's 'happiest country' - UN

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And the first four places go to the Scandinavians.
You know, those tall, blond(e) and perfect people? No wonder they're happy.
I have some Danish ancestry and have inherited the Scandinavian tall gene.
The blond(e) and perfect genes seem to have been allocated to someone else.

American Dwellars will be pleased to know that while you are only 18th in the Happiness Index, you're still one notch above us plucky Brits.
We've got broad shoulders. ;)

World Happiness Report 2018

BBC
Griff • Mar 16, 2018 7:44 am
Flint;1005753 wrote:
I find myself clicking on The Hill quite a bit. They seem level-headed, technically proficient, and they skew a little to the Right, which I intentionally seek out to counter-balance my implicit hard-Left opinions. NPR, BBC, The Economist are good choices, too.


I've been reading a fair amount of The Hill and Politico and listening to NPR. I still maintain that the format kills 24 hour cable news. It can't be decent because counting eyeballs is more important than the story.
Glinda • Mar 16, 2018 12:57 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1005744 wrote:
The kids aren't delicate, it's parents and lawmakers not allowing kids to experience things we did every day.


Oh, I know. Just trying to be cheeky. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 19, 2018 11:54 pm
Wanting some peace and quiet?
The interactive version of this map will tell you the road less traveled in each state.

They chose the Dalton Highway in Alaska as the best, but be warned that road is no casual Sunday drive, it goes to the North Slope oil fields.
Undertoad • Mar 20, 2018 8:01 am
What they have marked in green as Route 2 in NH is absolutely not Route 2. They had the right intentions and the pictures are accurate...
Flint • Mar 20, 2018 3:39 pm
How popular is Donald Trump?

When you see an article that says, "Trump's approval rating is up/down" just ignore it--
Trump's approval/disapproval has been a straight line (+/- 2 points) for the last 12 months.

This is a detailed breakdown of how they (fivethirtyeight.com) compile these numbers.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 20, 2018 5:15 pm
An interesting article at Scientific American about outcomes vs the age old mantra of early detection.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2018 12:09 am
The US internet. This is a map of the long haul fiber cables and junctions.
This was all built by private companies which are not exactly forthcoming with this information.
glatt • Mar 22, 2018 9:23 am
Denver is a bit of a choke point.
Griff • Mar 23, 2018 7:48 am
And yet Frontier can't get me a reliable connection.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 23, 2018 10:35 am
Oh they can, just don't see why they should. :(
Sperlock • Mar 24, 2018 12:23 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1005945 wrote:
Wanting some peace and quiet?
The interactive version of this map will tell you the road less traveled in each state.

They chose the Dalton Highway in Alaska as the best, but be warned that road is no casual Sunday drive, it goes to the North Slope oil fields.


It's really misleading to show 360 in Nevada using the US route symbol when in fact it is a state route. I've been on that road before - lost a tire due to a rock in the road.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 24, 2018 3:35 pm
It's clearly labeled a State Route, as are most of the roads on the map.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 5, 2018 3:43 pm
Fucks given...
Clodfobble • Apr 5, 2018 10:02 pm
That's pretty funny. I wonder if previous elections have had the same phenomenon. No matter what, half the country is always unhappy with the result...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 7, 2018 12:39 am
What it takes...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 11, 2018 3:43 pm
Spring sprung...
Happy Monkey • Apr 11, 2018 11:39 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1006677 wrote:
What it takes...
Oof.

One-bedroom condo here.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 23, 2018 7:52 am
It may be conformational bias but I find these three charts easy to accept...
glatt • Apr 23, 2018 9:08 am
Yep.

We're afraid of the stuff we mostly can't control. Cancer, terrorists, murder, etc.

We know how to prevent heart disease, but it's no fun to eat a dry salad for every meal.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 23, 2018 9:47 am
On Friday night’s supper tray there was a note that they were withholding Romaine lettuce because of a federal recall, so salad isn’t always safe either.
Clodfobble • Apr 23, 2018 1:10 pm
Cancer does take a broader age spectrum, though--very few heart attacks happen in your 30s, but we all know people who have gotten cancer in their 30s. It's scarier to think about dying young.
BigV • Apr 23, 2018 6:51 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1007361 wrote:
On Friday night’s supper tray there was a note that they were withholding Romaine lettuce because of a federal recall, so salad isn’t always safe either.


Similar signs here, but, salmonella doesn't kill you.
Glinda • Apr 23, 2018 10:32 pm
It just makes you wish you were dead.
Gravdigr • Apr 24, 2018 3:16 pm
BigV;1007385 wrote:
...salmonella...


Wazzat? Some kind of fish spread?
Happy Monkey • Apr 24, 2018 3:39 pm
If you've been eating fish.
BigV • Apr 24, 2018 9:13 pm
Happy Monkey;1007438 wrote:
If you've been eating fish.


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xoxoxoBruce • Apr 25, 2018 5:54 pm
In spite of Libertarians...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 26, 2018 1:00 pm
The never ending [strike] analysis [/strike] speculation about the USA.
Undertoad • May 6, 2018 10:06 am
The main job of all individuals, in all species, plant and animal, is to pass along their DNA.

In humanity, more females pass along their DNA than males. In all human history, there are twice as many women in the DNA record than there are men.

So half the men are out. Some men don't care for sex with women. Some men don't pass along their DNA on a voluntary basis. (But historically, it hasn't been so much of a choice; arguably, we didn't even understand the exact relationship between sex and pregnancy until recently in human history.) Some men don't care for sex at all.

But the biggest reason men don't get to pass along their DNA is that they are rejected by the women. For whatever reason, they don't do the mating dance well, and are not selected.

Today, sometimes, we can see why those men are rejected. Prehistorically, we're not so sure. Here is the most amazing graph on this topic, ever.

On the left, the number of men reproducing their DNA. On the right, the women.

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8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced For Every One Man

It turns out that, after the advent of agriculture, human behavior suddenly and radically changed... on every continent. Rather suddenly, the women became highly selective. Suddenly it was really rare for a man to qualify.

(It's like middle school all over again...)

If you read the article you will find that they have theories about why this is so, but nobody really knows!! All they know is that it's the first marker that human culture affected evolution.
Clodfobble • May 6, 2018 12:21 pm
I don't buy the notion that women were more selective. This looks to me like a man-vs-man issue, as it almost always has been throughout history. Harems, for example, were not an example of women being selective; they were an example of one man having more power than the rest. Same with the sister-wives in traditional Mormon culture. Evolutionarily, women seek safety and food for themselves and their children before sexual satisfaction. So if one man beats all the others into submission--either physically or economically--the women don't really have a choice. They're already completely beaten both physically and economically (we don't know for sure about 8,000 years ago, of course, but I think it's fair to extrapolate from the last 2,000 years of recorded history).

The answer, of course, is to give the women all the money and power. Then you would see the most egalitarian sexual distribution possible.
xoxoxoBruce • May 6, 2018 9:01 pm
Clodfobble;1008153 wrote:
So if one man beats all the others into submission--either physically or economically--the women don't really have a choice.

See they're all gold diggers, it's in their DNA. :p:
Undertoad • May 7, 2018 10:16 am
This looks to me like a man-vs-man issue, as it almost always has been throughout history.


Could be -- but -- the frustration resulting from male involuntary celibacy would lead to a lot of regular challenges to the amazing level of dominance hierarchy that would lead to a 17:1 ratio

Chimps are interested in fairness. When things seem unfair in the chimp world, the top chimps get their ass beat by a cooperative group of lesser chimps.

So, this ratio may require the cooperation of lesser males, in some fashion...

It looks like the end happens with civilization, and the end of tribes
lumberjim • May 7, 2018 1:51 pm
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Clodfobble • May 7, 2018 2:39 pm
Undertoad wrote:
Could be -- but -- the frustration resulting from male involuntary celibacy would lead to a lot of regular challenges to the amazing level of dominance hierarchy that would lead to a 17:1 ratio


Ideally, sure. But not if the involuntarily celibate had been bamboozled into believing it was the women's fault. Then they just stew in anger until they kill a woman they've decided should be theirs, or else drive a van into a crowded sidewalk.

xoxoxoBruce wrote:
See they're all gold diggers, it's in their DNA.


When viewed from such a zoomed-out resolution that all men appear to be nothing but pussyhounds, sure. :thumbsup:
xoxoxoBruce • May 21, 2018 10:16 pm
Gosh, 400 months in a row could almost be called a trend...
Gravdigr • May 22, 2018 3:18 pm
So...

Urrwhurr but the Eastern U.S. and Eastern Canadia is getting warmer, and we're getting cooler?

Works for me.
xoxoxoBruce • May 22, 2018 3:27 pm
That's because you're thinking weather instead of climate.
Undertoad • May 22, 2018 3:28 pm
[strike]The opposite[/strike] (gonna learn to read digr) Almost: during the month of April, the eastern US and Canuckia was way cooler than the average at the same time of the year as determined between 1951-1980.

'member when we had snow last month, that was that happening
Gravdigr • May 22, 2018 4:33 pm
How does the "400 months in a row" work into that?

Is it "400 months in a row", or is it April?

Or, is it 400 Aprils in a row?
Gravdigr • May 22, 2018 4:35 pm
And what does the temperature of my gis have to do with anything?
xoxoxoBruce • May 22, 2018 4:36 pm
Undertoad;1008876 wrote:
[strike]The opposite[/strike] (gonna learn to read digr) Almost: during the month of April, the eastern US and Canuckia was way cooler than the average at the same time of the year as determined between 1951-1980.

'member when we had snow last month, that was that happening

That's weather, not climate.
Gravdigr • May 22, 2018 4:37 pm
Fuck weather vs climate...

What does the goddamned chart indicate?
Gravdigr • May 22, 2018 4:37 pm
Fiukkit, Im too pissed to learn anything rfn.
xoxoxoBruce • May 22, 2018 4:38 pm
The climate is changing to warmer and that's not good.
Clodfobble • May 22, 2018 5:06 pm
The "400 months" is that this is the 400th month in a row that overall world temperatures have been higher than average.
Undertoad • May 22, 2018 6:58 pm
But IMO that's a silly way to look at the data, since the number would be higher than the 1951-1980 average for 400 months if it rose a teeny bit 400 months ago, and then stayed constant.

Also, the 1951-80 data is weaker and is missing large parts of the earth. And I believe it's land-only? I think, I dunno.

The best way to look at it, again IMO, is to consider only the post-1980 temperatures, as they are much more accurate than anything pre-1980, because that is when the satellites took over the job.

The best way to watch those temperatures is by following the UAH6.0 lower troposphere reported temps, a graph of which currently looks like this (an interesting graph, so it's pertinent to the thread):

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That way you are only looking at satellite numbers and comparing them to satellite numbers. The satellites do make mistakes (they drift), and some of this data has been corrected for, but it's considered pretty accurate.

The "anomaly" here, the number being graphed, is the temp versus the 1980 average. So, in April 2018, the [strike]planet[/strike] lower troposphere of the planet was considered to be 0.21 degrees C hotter than it was in 1980.
Happy Monkey • May 22, 2018 8:03 pm
It looks like 1980 was a high point of a cycle, and the graph ends on a low point. So the low point of a roughly +/- 0.2 degree cycle now is 0.2 degrees over the high point of the cycle 40 years ago. It would be easier to see what's happening if there were a trendline plotted through the datapoints.


edit accuracy: high point of probably 1981 was closer to 0.1 than 0; current low point is 0.1 degrees higher than that.
Gravdigr • May 23, 2018 3:22 pm
What does the blue over eastern North America indicate?
glatt • May 23, 2018 3:26 pm
Gravdigr;1008953 wrote:
What does the blue over eastern North America indicate?


Democrats. See, it's a political map. Democrats are blue and Republicans are red.
:3eye:
Gravdigr • May 23, 2018 3:31 pm
Well thar's m'prollum right thar!
Undertoad • May 23, 2018 4:10 pm
Gravdigr;1008953 wrote:
What does the blue over eastern North America indicate?


Weather.
Pete Zicato • May 24, 2018 1:35 pm
The best chart on this topic:

https://xkcd.com/1732/
Undertoad • May 24, 2018 3:49 pm
It has to the "best" if it's the "only"

xkcd relies heavily on one particular study of temps (Marcott et al, 2013).

Marcott was the first attempt to reconstruct the temps of the last 11000 years. I think it's still the only one. Science depends on replication of findings, and one single study is not science yet. It's scientific, but it is not "the science".

The study has been criticized. There are plenty of climate scientists who believe the earth has been warmer than it is today. Particularly during the Late Glacial Interstitial, in which Europe and N. America unquestionably saw a period of a lot of warming. That period is not noticed on the xkcd graph, presumably because smoothing? Whatevs, it's one single study and so it gets a big "mmmmmmaybe".
Happy Monkey • May 24, 2018 4:16 pm
Undertoad;1009021 wrote:
Particularly during the Late Glacial Interstitial, in which Europe and N. America unquestionably saw a period of a lot of warming. That period is not noticed on the xkcd graph, presumably because smoothing? Whatevs, it's one single study and so it gets a big "mmmmmmaybe".
wiki wrote:
Late Glacial (13,000&#8211;10,000 years ago).

That period is indeed noticed on the xkcd chart. There's a noticeable hump. At 13000BC warming accelerates noticeably, then levels and falls back a bit by 10500BC, whereupon it resumes warming.

Relevant events on the graph:
- Glacial dams burst in Washington State
- Ice sheets withdraw from Chicago
- Floods of meltwater in the Atlantic cool Northern Hemisphere (Younger Dryas, as mentioned in the wiki page you provided)




ETA: Apologies; missed mention of Late Glacial Interstadial c.14,670 to c.12,890 in the wiki page. There is no hump there. I find it difficult to parse whathe wiki is trying to say about it, though - it says it is "the first pronounced warming since the end of the LGM", but the "LGM" ends at 13000BC. The previous uptick in temperature in xkcd before 13000 is a bit before 15000.
Undertoad • May 24, 2018 5:02 pm
Interstadial, interstitial, these are hard words :)

I found an alternate to Marcott, a suggested timeline based on a number of different sources, so Marcott is no longer the only one. Some of this is based largely off an older study so take it with the appropriate grains.

https://andymaypetrophysicist.com/climate-and-human-civilization-over-the-last-18000-years/

The point is, all these proxies are not great measurements and so we are left with huge uncertainty. The uncertainty/error bars are left off the cartoon version... and also, left off every media report about this, ever.
Happy Monkey • May 24, 2018 5:12 pm
Didn't mean to highlight your typo; that bolding was from the cut&paste.
xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2018 10:48 pm
Both of these studies can be nit-picked ad infinitum but they agree that there have been humongous changes on earth with a temperature swing of less than 15, maybe 20 degrees.
Pete Zicato • May 26, 2018 12:19 pm
There's a cartoon out on the internet somewhere. Something along the line of:

"Gosh what if global warming has nothing to do with mankind? Then we'd be cleaning up all this pollution and saving energy for nothing."
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2018 6:54 pm
The internet is a very busy place...
xoxoxoBruce • May 29, 2018 9:23 pm
Where have all the old farts gone...
thomaslopez • May 30, 2018 4:59 am
Thanks for the report! Clicking on that button is safe, right?
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2018 12:02 pm
8.8 million lightning strikes...
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2018 12:03 pm
Organic food business...
Gravdigr • May 31, 2018 4:05 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1009101 wrote:
The internet is a very busy place...


I call complete and utter bullshit on that chart.

Porn is not even mentioned.

Pfft.
Undertoad • Jun 1, 2018 12:12 am
Undertoad;1008149 wrote:
8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced For Every One Man

If you read the article you will find that they have theories about why this is so, but nobody really knows!! All they know is that it's the first marker that human culture affected evolution.


Well, that took a month.

ScienceAlert: "Something Weird Happened to Men 7,000 Years Ago, And We Finally Know Why"

... within a clan, women could have married into new clans, while men stayed with their own clans their entire lives. This would mean that, within the clan, Y chromosome variation is limited.

However, it doesn't explain why there was so little variation between different clans. However, if skirmishes wiped out entire clans, that could have wiped out many male lineages - diminishing Y chromosome variance.

Computer modelling have verified the plausibility of this scenario. Simulations showed that wars between patrilineal clans, where women moved around but men stayed in their own clans, had a drastic effect on Y chromosome diversity over time.

It also showed that a social structure that allowed both men and women to move between clans would not have this effect on Y chromosome diversity, even if there was conflict between them.

This means that warring patrilineal clans are the most likely explanation, the researchers said.


Wall of nerd shit! Break it down:

Only sons of Anthony are allowed in clan A
Only sons of Barry are allowed in clan B
Women can go between clans (because they are [strike]whores[/strike] [strike]property[/strike] not warriors)
Clan A wipes out entire clan B
Now there is genetic diversity of women but not of men

It happens at the development of agriculture, because that is the point where clans/tribes stabilize and become much larger, and longer-lived.
Undertoad • Jun 1, 2018 12:39 am
Behaviors that we evolved to deal with the world of 20,000 B.C. were still applied to this new world of 6,000 B.C... and broke it.

Now in our 2,000 A.D. world, these behaviors are still inside us.

Built very deeply into every single one of us is a sexist tribalism that causes us to go to war with the "other" -- literally, anyone not of our own family -- and to fight until the other side is entirely wiped out.

Well! Good luck to us all.
Griff • Jun 1, 2018 7:28 am
It does explain our assholey nature. One of my podcasts just covered a Roman town sack, men killed and women / children into bondage. That's kind of how we build great culture. When our own military goes off the rails it would seem to be genetics over-whelming system discipline, one more reason to oppose the use of mercenaries.
Clodfobble • Jun 1, 2018 7:39 am
So just to be clear, it's NOT that women were all fucking the 17 hot dudes at the top with the most expensive set of arrowheads, while all the ugly cavemen were lucky to get a single pity-lay. It was, as usual, because the men were being aggressive dicks and slaughtering each other en masse.
Griff • Jun 1, 2018 7:47 am
We need to elect more women. If you look at our national spending habits we easily defend aggression over compassion. A largely male Congress has convinced itself that cuts to compassion make us stronger. We are unbalanced.
Undertoad • Jun 1, 2018 7:56 am
It surely worked then like it does today, and female sexual selection is an important part of the hierarchical nature of humankind, one of the major things that invokes the warring nature of man. (Invokes, not causes. It's built-in.)

(i.e., you don't make us go to war - but we would only do it because of you. We don't defend territory, like dogs; we defend family and tribe, like apes. Plus I saw Omar looking at your ass so I hit him with a big rock. Don't you like that?)
Clodfobble • Jun 1, 2018 8:44 am
But historically, aren't cultures with less female sexual selection (i.e. women as property, etc.) *more* likely to engage in tribalistic warring behavior? When one woman becomes a dude's property, that doesn't make him go, "cool, cool, this is enough." Now he just wants a second woman for his property, too. And suddenly we're back at harems for the rich and powerful, and the dudes with no women are blaming the women again.

Here's what I've noticed about many socially-awkward, historically-un-sexually-selected men: they're actually quite picky, and reject a huge number of average-and-below-average biologically female humans who would be interested in dating them, but they only want the hot ones (who they bitterly accuse of being shallow for only wanting the hot guys.) I know a number of heterosexual women who have never been asked out by anyone, ever, which under the Female Sexual Selection theory ought to be impossible.

Full disclosure: this subject hits my Asshole Button because for whatever reason, I have always seemed to attract exactly the kind of guy who gets enraged when I am politely uninterested. My theory is that it's because I'm just enough of a butterface to make them confident: smart/funny/waistline/blah-blah-blah, but they see the glasses and non-chin and say, "Ah ha, I am the only man who sees her true inner value, and she will surely be grateful for it." I have always been hit on more often than my objectively way-hotter friends, and when *they* turn them down, the guys say, "ah, well, she was out of my league," but when I turn them down, it's stalker-time. No man in the history of the world has ever thought I was out of his league, and I couldn't even begin to count the number of times I've been accused of unfairly hoarding my vaginal resources.
Undertoad • Jun 1, 2018 11:49 am
But historically, aren't cultures with less female sexual selection (i.e. women as property, etc.) *more* likely to engage in tribalistic warring behavior?


That's what wesee today, because we get to compare cultures against each other; the "rules" in people's heads are all defined differently now that we've laid down frameworks for the development of behavior. Frameworks handed down for Centuries, that start in infancy.

But in 6,000 B.C. we didn't have any of that... it's pre-culture. No books, no schools, no way to communicate across tribes, no way to socialize people and explain how to behave productively and fairly. All we had was a dumb beast who had achieved some level of consciousness.

But even though there was no communication, the behavior was the same across continents. That's what's so wild about it.

I have always been hit on more often than my objectively way-hotter friends, and when *they* turn them down, the guys say, "ah, well, she was out of my league," but when I turn them down, it's stalker-time.


It's a small rejection for you, but the most immense rejection POSSIBLE for them. Humanity is telling them they are so unworthy that humanity doesn't want their genes in the pool.

No wonder they are angry. To replicate our DNA is the very deepest drive we know. It's built in to not just humans, but every single evolved species on earth. Every living organism has had to work out a strategy for how to deal with this.

Previously, humanity's answer was to fight to the death. That's still the answer for a lot of species. Fighting, even if both die.

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Part of the pain you get to experience (lucky you) is this violent avenue being taken away from males via socialization. No wonder it is so insane and awkward.
Undertoad • Jun 2, 2018 11:17 am
The "anomaly" here, the number being graphed, is the temp versus the 1980 average. So, in April 2018, the planet lower troposphere of the planet was considered to be 0.21 degrees C hotter than it was in 1980.


For those following along at home, the May 2018 numbers are in; and the anomaly was +0.18, down 0.03 from April. That makes May 2018 the 10th hottest of the last 40 Mays.

Each month's anomaly change doesn't tell us much of anything about warming -- like being told one day's Dow Jones closing number and change amount doesn't tell us how our long-term investments are doing. It's just a single point of perspective.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 2, 2018 9:10 pm
Who's driving how far.
tw • Jun 2, 2018 10:57 pm
A woman needs a husband because she needs a chauffeur.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 7, 2018 12:52 pm
Shrinking households...
Undertoad • Jun 7, 2018 2:47 pm
In our modern day, nobody knows why Gloria and Meathead didn't move out to a studio apartment in Brooklyn.
Gravdigr • Jun 7, 2018 4:03 pm
Gloria was smokin' back in the day...
Clodfobble • Jun 7, 2018 5:14 pm
I wonder what the percentage breakdown is between divorced singles (30+) and young unmarried singles who can afford/are allowed to live on their own, both of which have increased since the 60s.
Clodfobble • Jun 7, 2018 5:15 pm
Also, how many of the 6 and 7+ households were just parents and kids, vs. extended family and/or boarders? Inquiring minds want to know.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 12, 2018 6:23 pm
Disasters...
Clodfobble • Jun 13, 2018 1:38 pm
Go Texas--lit up in all six categories!
Gravdigr • Jun 13, 2018 3:39 pm
KY - Tropical cyclones

That makes my eyebrows go up.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 13, 2018 5:46 pm
Hurricanes, the rest of the world calls them cyclones.
Gravdigr • Jun 14, 2018 3:41 pm
Yeeeah.:right:

Although we don't get a lot of them here in KY, I know what they are.
Clodfobble • Jun 15, 2018 7:44 am
xoxoxoBruce;1010107 wrote:
Hurricanes, the rest of the world calls them cyclones.
A hurricane, cyclone, and typhoon are all the same thing except for where they make landfall. Pacific Northwest and Atlantic are hurricanes, Eastern Pacific is a cyclone, and Southeast Pacific and Australia are typhoons. But it isn't a regional language thing; the NOAA officially classifies storms in these three terms, while the equivalent folks in other countries call them something different. It makes no sense.
Gravdigr • Jun 15, 2018 2:24 pm
In KY, we call it wind.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 17, 2018 3:10 pm
Whoopee, were all gonna die...

The pdf has correlations of seatbelt usage and alcohol.

When a passenger car and an LTV hit head-on, an occupant was between 3.1 to 4.1 times more frequently to be killed in a passenger car than in an LTV.

When a passenger car front hit the side of an LTV, an occupant was between 1.3 to 1.7 times more frequently to be killed in an LTV than in a passenger car.

However, when an LTV front hit the side of a passenger car, an occupant was between 13.3 to 22.7 times more frequently to be killed in a passenger car than in an LTV.
Gravdigr • Jun 18, 2018 5:02 pm
Never heard of an LTV.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 18, 2018 6:02 pm
That's an NHTSA term, LTV (SUV, pickup truck, or van).
glatt • Jun 18, 2018 9:11 pm
So is the LTV the problem or is the passenger car the problem?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 18, 2018 10:25 pm
Depends on which one you're driving/riding in, if you're in a passenger car there's a bigger chance you'll be dead and have no problems.
Happy Monkey • Jun 19, 2018 10:52 am
Only 12 fatalities in a year in DC? Wow.


I guess it makes sense; no highways and few straightaways so speeds are lower, so accidents are less likely to be fatal. Plus lower population overall, except for Vermont and Wyoming.
Clodfobble • Jun 19, 2018 2:02 pm
Texas (or at least Austin) has been doing this thing for a few years now where they keep a running total on the big Amber Alert signs when there's no Amber Alert going on. "1,257 people have died on Texas roads this year," and then the next day it will be 1,264...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 19, 2018 2:57 pm
And 3 more dead in CA because the driver was texting.:mad:
Gravdigr • Jun 27, 2018 2:47 pm
What do they call those ICC bumpers that (are supposed to) keep cars from going that far under the rear of the trailer?

Anti something bars?
Gravdigr • Jun 27, 2018 2:49 pm
Anyway, that one didn't work.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 27, 2018 7:44 pm
Women in Congress...
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 29, 2018 11:05 pm
Whoopee we're all gonna die...
Gravdigr • Jun 30, 2018 3:27 pm
KY is 45th. Out of 50.

Well, that's just great.
Gravdigr • Jul 3, 2018 11:56 am
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Clodfobble • Jul 3, 2018 4:39 pm
I like that one.
Gravdigr • Jul 5, 2018 4:35 pm
It felt familiar. It may have been posted before.

But, since Sexo hasn't brought it up, maybe not.:D
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 5, 2018 7:21 pm
Some states are flat and some are really flat.
Driving across Kansas I thought maybe the Flat Earth Society was right.
But Kansas is only number 7, even got beat by Delaware.
Griff • Jul 6, 2018 7:00 am
W00t!!! Go PA!
tw • Jul 6, 2018 10:28 am
xoxoxoBruce;1011189 wrote:
Some states are flat and some are really flat.

When did Alaska and Hawaii get thrown out of the Union? When did DC become a state?
sexobon • Jul 6, 2018 10:41 am
Obvious is that only the Contiguous United States are relevant in this topographic comparison and the column heading over their names plainly says "State or District."
Gravdigr • Jul 6, 2018 2:39 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1011189 wrote:
Driving across Kansas I thought maybe the Flat Earth Society was right.


Didja see the tree?
sexobon • Jul 6, 2018 3:15 pm
&#8230; and all those dogs?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 6, 2018 6:28 pm
Median income...
Undertoad • Jul 7, 2018 3:05 pm
It's likely you'll find this interesting. Maybe.

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sexobon • Jul 7, 2018 3:22 pm
RIP - Indubitably
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 10, 2018 12:35 pm
We need immigrants to supplement the population...
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2018 3:03 pm
Immigrants, from where and when...
Gravdigr • Jul 12, 2018 4:26 pm
Ppl immigrants, or tree immigrants?
Undertoad • Jul 18, 2018 7:58 am
We've brought up the slow end of teens entering the work force. Now fast food can no longer find enough willing teens to be wage slaves. NY Times (paywalled): "A Fast-Food Problem: Where Have All the Teenagers Gone?"

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The article points out that now, the average fast food wage is at $10.93 an hour. Here we see the first place that wage inflation will happen and put pressure on the economy!
glatt • Jul 18, 2018 8:06 am
In Montana and Wyoming, there were help wanted signs in the windows of every restaurant we saw.
fargon • Jul 18, 2018 8:23 am
The only teens that I see on a regular basis that want to work are my Landlord's kids. They both have other jobs and are always working around the apartments. Then there are the ones that only want enough money to buy the next video game.
But mostly around here there are older people working in the fast food places.
glatt • Jul 18, 2018 11:40 am
This summer, every member of my household is employed. First time ever, and it's awesome.

My 19 year old daughter is working in a county summer camp and is getting paid (more than my teacher wife btw) to hang out on rivers, mountain tops, and beaches in the area. Life's tough for her.

My 16 year old son is working with an electrician friend of ours, pulling wires and installing outlets, etc. Some of his time is unpaid, when the friend is bidding a job or whatever, but when they are working, he's getting $25/hr. Freaking awesome for a 16 year old.

I have respect of people working in food service. I've always like to see that on the resumes of entry level applicants. Shows they are willing to work hard. But I can't blame my kids for taking better paying jobs that are more interesting to them.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 22, 2018 10:09 pm
It appears Britain has lots of room for immigrants... :rolleyes:
limey • Jul 23, 2018 4:10 pm
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Yup. It’s pretty quiet round here ....


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xoxoxoBruce • Jul 23, 2018 9:49 pm
That really surprised me, I would never have guessed there is that much open space.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 23, 2018 11:40 pm
But how big are European countries?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2018 6:00 pm
European pay...
Happy Monkey • Jul 24, 2018 6:32 pm
Net = minus income taxes, but not VAT, I assume.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2018 6:43 pm
VAT is on what you buy, like sales tax isn't it? Almost impossible to calculate because it depends of what they spend it on. Do hookers collect VAT?
Happy Monkey • Jul 24, 2018 7:09 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1012243 wrote:
VAT is on what you buy, like sales tax isn't it?
Yes, but on every stage of production, not just the final sale to the customer.
Almost impossible to calculate because it depends of what they spend it on. Do hookers collect VAT?
Where they're legal, I assume so.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2018 11:31 pm
VAT is Value Added Tax. I believe that hooker is not only not adding value, but removing some value from his reproductive system. Just not the man he was come morning. :2cents:
Gravdigr • Jul 26, 2018 4:01 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1012159 wrote:
But how big are European countries?


Isn't the UK much larger than that?
Carruthers • Jul 28, 2018 6:30 pm
Gravdigr;1012347 wrote:
Isn't the UK much larger than that?


The UK is pretty much the same size as Wyoming.

UK land area: 93,628 sq miles.
UK Population: 66,000,000 in round figures.
Population density: 701 per sq mile.

Wyoming land area: 97,914 sq miles.
Wyoming population: 590,000 in round figures.
Population density: 5.97 per sq mile.

It's a bit crowded here!

Wyoming

UK
Gravdigr • Jul 30, 2018 4:33 pm
What about Australia? And those islands, and those other places that fly the Union Jack?
Carruthers • Jul 30, 2018 4:55 pm
Gravdigr;1012500 wrote:
What about Australia? And those islands, and those other places that fly the Union Jack?


Sadly, in this context, the flag counts for nothing.

Otherwise I'd have long since left these shores for Hawaii. ;)
Undertoad • Jul 30, 2018 11:29 pm
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source
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 1, 2018 12:25 am
Those Asian countries have so many people living on the ocean or on major rivers dumping into the ocean water becomes their dump.


Here's the history of the NFL coin toss...
Clodfobble • Aug 1, 2018 8:08 am
That's bad chart design--two extra columns just to convey that the Houston Texans didn't exist until 2002 and thus have 3 years' less data? Should have been an asterisk. [/presentation nerd]

Also, the Patriots win 75% of the time--I'm shocked, shocked...
Undertoad • Aug 1, 2018 8:18 am
And the Browns are the big losers! Weird
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 1, 2018 11:54 pm
I don't know, some of these sound flaky, but then again 2017 was a weird year.:rolleyes:
glatt • Aug 2, 2018 8:49 am
All those states manufacturing airplanes are probably just small government contractors supplying parts for the F35.
Carruthers • Aug 2, 2018 9:57 am
South Dakota's biggest export being $91m worth of distillery dregs puzzles me.

Does this refer to alcohol production? If so, most of the booze produced must never leave the state.

I'm coming to the conclusion that the 'dregs' are the byproduct of ethanol production and are used for stock feed.

Ethanol

Ethanol is environmentally friendly, renewable, safe and it contributes to our energy independence.

Using ethanol reduces harmful auto emissions and reduces our dependence on foreign oil and expensive domestic crude oil.

One bushel of field corn yields 2.8 gallons of fuel ethanol and 17.5 pounds of high protein dried distillers grain for livestock feed.

15.3 billion gallons of ethanol production helped bring net oil import dependence down to 25 percent in 2016.

Ethanol decreases the price of gasoline by 50 cents to $1.50 less per gallon.

Ethanol use reduces carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen and other pollutants.

The Renewable Fuel Standard, or RFS, reduced motor fuel GHG emissions by 43.5 metric tons in 2016, that’s like removing nine million cars from the road for an entire year.

Economic Impact of Ethanol

Ethanol production adds value to U.S. agricultural products and brings billions of dollars into the nation’s economy each year.

In 2016, the production of 15.3 billion gallons of ethanol directly employed 340,000 Americans.

In 2016, ethanol added $23 billion in the pockets of Americans.

Learn more about ethanol and the Renewable Fuels Standard at the Renewable Fuels Association


South Dakota Corn

Am I barking up the wrong tree here? It has been known. :)
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 2, 2018 10:16 am
glatt;1012619 wrote:
All those states manufacturing airplanes are probably just small government contractors supplying parts for the F35.

I was curious about the MA gold. I tracked it to a US Census Bureau table of state exports to foreign countries. For MD it says, "CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT, ENGINES, AND PARTS".

Carruthers;1012624 wrote:
South Dakota's biggest export being $91m worth of distillery dregs puzzles me.

Does this refer to alcohol production? If so, most of the booze produced must never leave the state.

I'm coming to the conclusion that the 'dregs' are the byproduct of ethanol production and are used for stock feed.



South Dakota Corn

Am I barking up the wrong tree here? It has been known. :)

Keep barking you've got the right tree.:thumb:
Carruthers • Aug 2, 2018 10:28 am
xoxoxoBruce;1012625 wrote:

Keep barking you've got the right tree.:thumb:


Thanks, Bruce. :thumb:
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 7, 2018 12:48 am
Who does it better... the beat goes on.
Undertoad • Aug 7, 2018 7:53 am
The President controls very little of the economy.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 7, 2018 12:46 pm
Right, they got into that, but the party of the president seems to affect the economy even whether the congress is controlled by his party or not.
Undertoad • Aug 7, 2018 3:05 pm
In that case, all hail Trump, 4.1% and rising! His current average 2.6% beats Bush II-2 and both Obama terms, so far.

The correlation is weak imo. The really important thing is that the trend line for the entire time period is way down.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 7, 2018 8:52 pm
Sure, he's thrown the gates wide open for the rape and plunder brigade.


The first kid curve has changed, I wonder how much abortion and the morning after pill affected it? They said college grads are waiting 7 years after graduation to get established in their field.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 8, 2018 4:33 pm
One of my doctors is female and superb. All of the nurses in the hospital think the world of her, and say she really cares about her patients.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 9, 2018 6:20 pm
This is an example of someone taking solid data making a visual representation that's almost unintelligible at best. Like somebody put LSD in the water cooler.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2018 4:52 pm
Medicaid...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 18, 2018 1:54 pm
Hot, hotter, hottest...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 18, 2018 10:39 pm
Who's getting how much compared to what others thing their getting...
Happy Monkey • Aug 20, 2018 2:41 pm
U.S. Land Usage 2018
Undertoad • Aug 20, 2018 5:36 pm
That one puts me in mind of this one

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Current forestland is slowly increasing, the Land Usage site points out; right now it's more than it was for all of the last century.

But the Land Usage site measures forestland differently cos their numbers are lower than these. These come from the US Forest Service
Happy Monkey • Aug 20, 2018 6:23 pm
I think some subset of blue may also be forest. I think the green is specifically timber land, where forest is open to logging.
Happy Monkey • Aug 20, 2018 6:25 pm
Plus grey. I would guess there's a fair bit of forest on grey.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 20, 2018 11:51 pm
Where's everybody at...
glatt • Aug 21, 2018 7:32 am
Huh. I didn't realize the US was so close to the top. I guess, who else would it be?
sexobon • Aug 21, 2018 5:42 pm
They gave us credit for all the Mexicans that are here.
tw • Aug 21, 2018 6:41 pm
glatt;1013800 wrote:
Huh. I didn't realize the US was so close to the top. I guess, who else would it be?

Most do not realize that Indonesia is so high.

Meanwhile the tiny country called Nigeria is also highly populated.

In one year, India gives birth to as many babies as the entire population of Pakistan.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 21, 2018 9:48 pm
Man, this story is getting old.
Remember, you aren't paid for what you do but how hard you are to replace...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 23, 2018 7:01 pm
Think of the [strike] victims [/strike] friends Sheldon can meet with all those people. :D
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 24, 2018 10:01 pm
Maps of specific... er, stuff.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 25, 2018 10:17 pm
This is not good...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2018 11:28 am
Fixing borders...
Carruthers • Aug 27, 2018 12:00 pm
Windsor, Ontario being south of Detroit has always seemed a bit odd to me.
(He said from 3,700 miles away).

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 2, 2018 3:51 pm
What Fearless Leader got schooled in...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 3, 2018 10:43 pm
The largest islands...
glatt • Sep 4, 2018 8:05 am
Five. I've been on five of those islands.
Griff • Sep 4, 2018 8:40 am
Nice! I need to up mr travel game. 2
Undertoad • Sep 4, 2018 8:42 am
1. But my coffee this morning is from Sulawesi. I think I've had coffee from 6.
glatt • Sep 4, 2018 9:08 am
To add to the count, I'm most likely to visit Ireland, Newfoundland, or Cuba in the future. I would enjoy visiting any one of those.
Clodfobble • Sep 4, 2018 9:14 am
2 - Ireland and England. Very much want to go back.
Rhianne • Sep 4, 2018 11:08 am
Aw, c'mon, there have been threads about this, surely no-one in 2018 still thinks that England is an island!

* insert smiley thing*
Clodfobble • Sep 4, 2018 12:36 pm
Sure, sure. Great Britain. Whatevs. ;)
fargon • Sep 4, 2018 2:57 pm
Rhianne;1014461 wrote:
Aw, c'mon, there have been threads about this, surely no-one in 2018 still thinks that England is an island!

* insert smiley thing*


So are you saying that it's a continent?
Undertoad • Sep 4, 2018 3:03 pm
So are you saying that it's a continent?


It's a condiment, and the answer is mustard.
fargon • Sep 4, 2018 3:05 pm
Mustard GOOD!!!
Rhianne • Sep 4, 2018 4:33 pm
fargon;1014467 wrote:
So are you saying that it's a continent?


I'm saying that England is just the lower part of Scotland.
fargon • Sep 4, 2018 4:50 pm
Rhianne;1014475 wrote:
I'm saying that England is just the lower part of Scotland.


So England, should be called Baja Scotland?
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 8, 2018 4:10 am
Pigs don't take up much room...
Glinda • Sep 8, 2018 3:53 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1014624 wrote:
Pigs don't take up much room...


Ok, wait a minute. Poultry isn't included AND neither is Turkey?

I call Gallus domesticus and Meleagris gallopavo discrimination!!

:mad:
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 8, 2018 7:17 pm
Or horses, which are food in France.
tw • Sep 8, 2018 8:36 pm
UK was once famous for mad cow disease. So England is now famous for being sheepish.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 8, 2018 10:56 pm
Sheeple?
Carruthers • Sep 9, 2018 4:05 am
Glinda;1014647 wrote:
Ok, wait a minute. Poultry isn't included AND neither is Turkey?


Turkey is included, but it's full of sheep.:)
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 9, 2018 11:15 am
No no, this is about livestock, not mistresses. Image
tw • Sep 9, 2018 11:37 am
Apparently Hitler was right. Germany is full of swine.
Glinda • Sep 9, 2018 12:40 pm
Carruthers;1014691 wrote:
Turkey is included, but it's full of sheep.:)


I still call fowl. ;)
BigV • Sep 9, 2018 3:38 pm
Two, Iceland and Great Britain.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 10, 2018 9:15 am
The census bureau claims there are over 350 languages spoken in US homes.
Clodfobble • Sep 10, 2018 9:21 am
I believe it. Our school just released a survey showing that we (1700 kids, roughly) speak no fewer than 44 different languages at home.
Undertoad • Sep 12, 2018 8:07 am
Arctic sea ice extent is still down from its long-term average, but is in a "pause" for the last decade (trend line in red):

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Undertoad • Sep 12, 2018 3:11 pm
USA, for the first time, the number one crude oil producer in the world

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Undertoad • Sep 12, 2018 7:39 pm
More US people quit their jobs in July than in any month since 2001. They figure it's going to cause salaries to increase.

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glatt • Sep 12, 2018 9:13 pm
That graph doesn't show July. It shows 2008.?
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 12, 2018 9:39 pm
In July of 2018 the number of people quitting reached the highest point since 2001.
glatt • Sep 13, 2018 7:53 am
Duh. I didn't notice the "us quits rate"
Griff • Sep 13, 2018 6:42 pm
Undertoad;1014914 wrote:
USA, for the first time, the number one crude oil producer in the world

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Prolly bad.
Undertoad;1014931 wrote:
More US people quit their jobs in July than in any month since 2001. They figure it's going to cause salaries to increase.

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Prolly good.
Diaphone Jim • Sep 14, 2018 12:38 pm
Other bovines? Buffalo? Yak?
I went through that little bit of bovine country in England a while back. Beautiful country but big enough for all the beef and dairy?
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 14, 2018 2:19 pm
Bovines = cloven hooves and true horns... like Satan. Image
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 14, 2018 2:40 pm
The Lucky Numbers from your fortune cookie are winners...
Clodfobble • Sep 14, 2018 2:49 pm
As an investment scheme, however, the fortune cookie lottery is only a 4% return--and it doesn't count the cost of shelling all those fortune cookies. Just ask Mr. Salt.
tw • Sep 15, 2018 10:03 am
That proves it. Powerball is a Chinese ponzi scheme. The Don will tweet about it soon. Mafia types don't like free market competition.
Gravdigr • Sep 16, 2018 3:44 pm
Interactive world map of submarine cables.

I thought submarines were wireless.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 19, 2018 11:09 pm
Felons vote? Your results may vary...
gvidas • Sep 20, 2018 12:32 am
expanding on that a little, with a sense of scale.

from: https://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000287
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 21, 2018 8:26 pm
Authors have always used commonly know items to relate the size of something...
Carruthers • Sep 22, 2018 8:22 am
xoxoxoBruce;1015571 wrote:
Authors have always used commonly know items to relate the size of something...


Wales, London buses and Wembley Stadium are all commonly used by UK media to illustrate size, area, distance etc.
Add in the Isle of Wight and Olympic size swimming pools and you don't really need much else.

Wales, Belgium and other units of measurement

Jeremy Clarkson was quite right when he dismissed 'the size of Luxembourg' as a meaningless comparison


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A double-decker bus - equal to roughly one third of the length of an Olympic-sized swimming pool.

Jeremy Clarkson had a point – and that's not something you hear me say every day (indeed, any day) – when in a recent Sun column he challenged the scientists (or "eco-ists" as Jezza termed them) who had described a slab of ice that had broken away from Antarctica as "the size of Luxembourg".

"I'm sorry but Luxembourg is meaningless," said Clarkson, pointing out that the standard units of measurement in the UK are double-decker London buses, football pitches and Wales. He could have added the Isle of Wight, Olympic-sized swimming pools and Wembley stadiums to the list.

A Guardian letter writer, commenting on the same story, endorsed the argument: "I would have had some difficulty even if the chunk had been described in terms of the size of Wales. Could you tell us how big it was in football pitches or Olympic swimming pools?"

As Nancy Banks-Smith has noted: "Any plague spot of indeterminate location is always compared to Wales. Wales is not quite sure how to take this."

The comparison crops up regularly – a dozen times in the Guardian and Observer in the last year; more than 70 in other national papers. It is most popular with travel writers, who helpfully inform us, for example, that a particular mangrove swamp in India – reached incidentally by an "iconic bridge" – is "half the size of Wales" (Independent), whereas Botswana is "twice the size of Wales" (Sunday Telegraph).

Perhaps, as with metric and imperial measurements, such comparisons should be given convenient abbreviations: SoWs (size of Wales), SoBs (size of Belgium), OSPs (Olympic swimming pools), DDBs (buses) and so on. Thus the Kruger national park in South Africa measures 1 SoW (Daily Telegraph), as do Lesotho (London Evening Standard) and Israel (Times), whereas Lake Nzerakera in Tanzania is 2 SoBs (Observer).

We would need a currency converter to establish how many OSPs would be filled by the Deepwater oil spill, but I can confirm that the slick is half an SoW (Times).

In G2 last month we revealed: "All the gold that has ever been mined would make a cube [equivalent to] a stack of Routemaster buses four deep, four high and four long" – under my system, that would be rendered much more handily as 4x4x4 DDBs. A Guardian report in March headlined "Isle of Wight-sized asteroid killed dinosaurs, scientists say" led to the following calculation from a reader: "So 1bn Hiroshimas = 1 (Isle of Wight) x 20 (speeding bullets)." He added: "Who needs E=mc2?"

At times the most carefully calibrated calculations can go awry. So we learn that Helmand province in Afghanistan is "four times the size of Wales" (Daily Telegraph, 2 December 2009) only to find a few weeks later that it has apparently shrunk to "the size of Wales" (Daily Telegraph, 29 January 2010).

You may think this is all an Olympic swimming pool-sized storm in a teacup. And it's true that – along with calculations of the "if all the hotdogs served at the Cup final were joined up they would reach Jupiter and back" variety – they are harmless, if meaningless and unhelpful, even for people such as me who have been to Wales (on a double-decker bus) and Belgium.

The style guide advises against using such lazy and cliched units of comparison. Maybe we need alternatives. I suggest "quite big", "big" and "very big".

But why, you may ask, are we never told what the size of Wales actually is? And, for that matter, the size of Belgium? For the record: the size of Wales is 20,779 sq km (8,022 sq miles). The size of Belgium is 30,528 sq km (11,787 sq miles).

To help you visualise it, that's one and a half times the size of Wales.


The Guardian

Posted from the Carruthers man cave which is 0.057 of a tennis court in area.
If you want the volume of the room as a percentage of that of a Routemaster bus, or anything else, I shall need notice. :)
Griff • Sep 22, 2018 9:30 am
I have an apple pie recipe which uses a wren's egg as a unit of measure.
Clodfobble • Sep 22, 2018 9:37 am
Our "size of Wales" equivalent is "the size of Delaware."
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am
Double Decker Bus(UK)
Length 18.65 meters (61ft 2in)
Width 2.9 meters (9ft 6in)
Height 4.95 meters (16ft 3in)
Mass 80,000 kilograms (176,370 lbs)

Olympic Swimming Pool
Length 50 meters (164ft)
Width 25 meters (82ft)
Depth (min) 2 meters (6.56ft)
Volume 2,500,000 liters (660,000 US gallons) at 2 meter depth

Wembley Stadium
Circumference = 1 km (0.62 miles)
Roof = 11 acres
Volume = 4,000,000 cu meters (141,258,667 cu ft or 1,056,688,209 US gallons)

Carolina Wren’s Egg
Avg Egg Size = 19.1mm x 14.5mm (0.75 in x 0.59 in)
Carruthers • Sep 22, 2018 10:36 am
And 1 Wales = 4.04 Delawares.

(8005 sq mi/1981 sq mi)
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 26, 2018 9:47 pm
What's the most circulated US dollar bill?
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tw will be along to tell you why they should be coins... again.
Griff • Sep 27, 2018 7:26 am
Looking at the C notes, quite a black market we've developed.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2018 7:36 pm
Ever wonder what that truck you're following at 70mph is carrying?
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2018 9:30 pm
The number of people bicycling to work has dropped. The price of gas may be a big factor.

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I think to type of people likely to ride to work are the type to buy electric cars and to want to work from home also.

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Griff • Oct 1, 2018 7:24 am
Plus the drivers with cellphones who enjoy killing cyclists.
Carruthers • Oct 1, 2018 7:50 am
xoxoxoBruce;1015961 wrote:
Ever wonder what that truck you're following at 70mph is carrying?


A couple of points:

Some years ago International Alloys in Aylesbury sent tanker loads of molten aluminium to their plant in Birmingham, a journey of about 75 miles.
I have a vague recollection that the load would lose 1 deg F for every mile travelled.
I assume that the tank was exceptionally well insulated and that some form of heating was involved, but the consequences of an accident didn't bear thinking about.

I am always very wary of unmarked military vehicles, apparently of armoured construction, especially if under police escort.
Two rear axles instead of one, or twin wheels instead of singles, are also something of a giveaway.
glatt • Oct 1, 2018 8:04 am
The couple people who I know that ride their bike to work take public transportation on the days they don't ride.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2018 9:19 am
Carruthers;1016025 wrote:
A couple of points:

Some years ago International Alloys in Aylesbury sent tanker loads of molten aluminium to their plant in Birmingham, a journey of about 75 miles.
I have a vague recollection that the load would lose 1 deg F for every mile travelled.
I assume that the tank was exceptionally well insulated and that some form of heating was involved, but the consequences of an accident didn't bear thinking about.


This is what happens.
Carruthers • Oct 1, 2018 9:21 am
xoxoxoBruce;1016028 wrote:
This is what happens.


I just hope that there was nobody in the way when that lot was on the move. :eek:
Gravdigr • Oct 1, 2018 3:24 pm
Carruthers;1016025 wrote:
A couple of points:

Some years ago International Alloys in Aylesbury sent tanker loads of molten aluminium to their plant in Birmingham, a journey of about 75 miles.
I have a vague recollection that the load would lose 1 deg F for every mile travelled.
I assume that the tank was exceptionally well insulated and that some form of heating was involved, but the consequences of an accident didn't bear thinking about.


I used to work with molten aluminium. Ran a big ol' melt furnace. Traveling with molten metal is just about the stupidest thing I could ever think of.

Well, that, and growing up.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 1, 2018 11:00 pm
Take home pay...
Clodfobble • Oct 2, 2018 9:47 am
Those numbers are wildly affected by things not on the graph, though. Houston has a higher than average takehome because Texas has no income tax--instead, we have a higher than average sales tax. So you take it home, then you send it right back out again.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2018 10:10 am
Does that Texas sales tax apply to food too?
Clodfobble • Oct 2, 2018 1:30 pm
Grocery store food, no; restaurant food, yes. There's some weird overlap now that so many stores have "prepared food" sections like rotisserie chickens, etc., and of course the other stuff a grocery store sells usually gets taxed. There are a handful of other special exemptions, though, like medicines and baby products.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2018 2:21 pm
Pretty much the same here.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2018 8:25 pm
The chances of you getting hit by a meteorite are slimmer than anything but hitting the lottery.
Undertoad • Oct 6, 2018 11:57 am
I simply refuse to be any part of this.

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 12, 2018 11:01 pm
Thanks to US CBP, the border zone has become the twilight zone.
Don't believe it? Read this.
BigV • Oct 13, 2018 12:52 am
WHAT THE FUCK!
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2018 9:40 am
You should worry V, you're in the zone and you look sort of Canadian. :haha:
Griff • Oct 13, 2018 10:00 am
Jesus Christ
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 10:45 am
BigV;1016664 wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK!

Griff;1016670 wrote:
Jesus Christ

That detailed incident and more like it took place during the eight years of Obama's Presidency. Those operating conditions were acceptable to him on his watch; therefore, should be acceptable to you now.
BigV • Oct 13, 2018 11:40 am
sexobon;1016676 wrote:
That detailed incident and more like it took place during the eight years of Obama's Presidency. Those operating conditions were acceptable to him on his watch; therefore, should be acceptable to you now.


sexobon, your use of logic is like when a mynah bird says "I love you". It's just a sound, out of context, devoid of meaning. One's a trill, one's a troll.
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 11:50 am
Why, because you say so? You're the one who exclaimed WTF! I'm pointing out that this is business as usual. How could you not have known that&#11822;
Happy Monkey • Oct 13, 2018 11:53 am
Why would you think that this being "business as usual" makes it OK? That makes it worse.
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 12:04 pm
I never said I thought it was OK. This is your usual low life activity of putting words in people's mouths. Why were you not complaining about it during the eight years Obama was doing it? Because it's not what's being done; but, who's doing it for you. A convenient set of double standards. Oh WTF, Jesus Christ, … etc. when someone you don't like is in charge of it. Hypocrites.
BigV • Oct 13, 2018 12:22 pm
You're a troll because you troll, not because I say so. I'm just pointing it out.
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 12:30 pm
You're an alky because you drink too much, not because anyone might say so. I'm just pointing out that your WTF! post was made at 11:52 PM which is well into your juice time.
Griff • Oct 13, 2018 1:19 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1016659 wrote:
Thanks to US CBP, the border zone has become the twilight zone.
Don't believe it? Read this.


Anyway, this is shitty regardless of administration. My grievances with the Obama administration, while fewer than with current resident, are clustered around making the security state permanent, making war footing permanent, and giving bankers a free ride all of which are continuing. To be perfectly fair, there is zero chance Hillary would have turned any of this around hence my "wasted" 3rd party vote.
Happy Monkey • Oct 13, 2018 1:56 pm
sexobon;1016684 wrote:
I never said I thought it was OK. This is your usual low life activity of putting words in people's mouths.
Putting words in other people's mouths? Like saying liberals should be OK with something if Obama did it?
Why were you not complaining about it during the eight years Obama was doing it?
You do know that the article in question was written in 2018, right? There was lots of unhappiness on the liberal side at how much Obama cracked down on immigration, but you generally say "WTF" and "Jesus Christ" in response to an article after it is written, not several years before.
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 2:45 pm
Happy Monkey;1016690 wrote:
Putting words in other people's mouths? Like saying liberals should be OK with something if Obama did it?

No, I'm not claiming that they're thinking; or, mean to say anything in particular. I'm implying that's what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Reading comprehension HM.

Happy Monkey;1016690 wrote:
You do know that the article in question was written in 2018, right? There was lots of unhappiness on the liberal side at how much Obama cracked down on immigration, but you generally say "WTF" and "Jesus Christ" in response to an article after it is written, not several years before.

Those comments didn't address the construction of that particular recent article. They were about its content which has been known for years to anyone paying attention who hasn't alibied it. Reading comprehension HM.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2018 4:26 pm
Sigh...
Diaphone Jim • Oct 13, 2018 4:46 pm
Melissa del Bosque's article surprised me with things I didn't know and it gave me a headache.
I forgot how sexobon's take on things make such headaches so much worse.
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 5:05 pm
:lol2:

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 13, 2018 8:26 pm
Power to the people... after you bribe the politicians to give you a licence.
Happy Monkey • Oct 13, 2018 9:23 pm
sexobon;1016691 wrote:
No, I'm not claiming that they're thinking; or, mean to say anything in particular. I'm implying that's what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
To apply that phrase is to put words in their mouth about the gander. And the goose, for that matter, who you were the first to mention as well.
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 9:36 pm
You've fallen by the wayside, son. We've moved on from Mother Goose and so should you. Stop ruminating on it as it has you babbling like an idjit.
BigV • Oct 13, 2018 10:45 pm
Happy Monkey

Your logic is correct, your argument is valid. Your goal is... questionable. Not questionable, just unknown to me.

I hope you get some satisfaction from your efforts. I also hope that persuading sexobon to admit the fallacy of his argument is not on your list of goals. But hey, that's just me. :thumbsup:
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 10:53 pm
I don't need no stinkin' argument. The facts speak for themselves. You lose.
BigV • Oct 13, 2018 10:58 pm
sexobon;1016729 wrote:
I don't need no stinkin' argument.


COINCIDENCE?

I think not.

#nakedemperor
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 11:04 pm
BigV;1016731 wrote:
… I think not. ...

I know you can't. I'm so sorry.

#couragefromabottle
sexobon • Oct 13, 2018 11:25 pm
BigV;1016731 wrote:
Last edited by BigV; 10-13-2018 at 10:18 PM. Reason: sexobon, you may have the last word; you're welcome. :)

Goodnight V, thanks for the entertainment. ;)
Undertoad • Oct 14, 2018 12:25 am
oh look sexobon tried to use someone's frank personal details he collected elsewhere on the board against them in a political argument again
sexobon • Oct 14, 2018 12:41 am
Goodnight UT, thanks for the entertainment. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 19, 2018 6:07 pm
[SIZE="3"]The deficit is out of control thanks to an irresponsible congress...[/SIZE]
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[SIZE="3"]But congress doesn't have time to fix it because they are busy renaming post offices. [/SIZE]:eyebrow:
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Gravdigr • Oct 20, 2018 4:04 pm
Well, I just can't see why everyone doesn't enjoy political conversations...:vomitblu::vomit::repuke:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 20, 2018 10:05 pm
The price of coffee beans in US dollars. The vertical strips are recessions.
Undertoad • Oct 22, 2018 6:48 pm
Let's get it over with already

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More interesting charts at the Gallup story
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 22, 2018 8:08 pm
Much better chance for legalization when the 1% figured out how much profit was at stake.
Griff • Oct 22, 2018 9:40 pm
Colorado $200M in tax revenue... you’d think that would get the attention of so called deficit hawks.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 22, 2018 11:54 pm
Not only that but the fortune we'd save not incarcerating thousands for pot busts.
Griff • Oct 23, 2018 7:30 am
Won't someone think of the private prisons?
tw • Oct 23, 2018 9:09 am
Griff;1017263 wrote:
... you’d think that would get the attention of so called deficit hawks.

Deficit hawks are not into honesty. Otherwise they would stop spending $1billion annually to make high failure $1 paper bills (life expectancy - only 14 months). And would replace a $5 bill with a coin. Then eliminate coins that cannot even buy a flat washer - pennies, nickels, and dimes.

But if they do that, then deficit hawks cannot nickel and dime us to death. Its not about advancing America. It is about empowered deficit hawk who, in reality, increase deficit spending.
sexobon • Oct 23, 2018 8:17 pm
Let me guess: someone said Penny for your thoughts; so, you put in your two cents; but, they decided it wasn't worth a plug nickel and dropped a dime on you. Now you're all about change; but, it's easier to coin a phrase than a five dollar bill.

Life is hard, then you die.
Gravdigr • Oct 24, 2018 2:53 pm
Ain't that a bitch.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 27, 2018 12:59 pm
Martin Luther King streets...
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 28, 2018 6:47 pm
Who's watching sports on TV...
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 31, 2018 12:33 am
I'm surprised NYC doesn't make the list, but I suppose with 3 airports in the NY/NJ area it gets diluted.
glatt • Oct 31, 2018 8:18 am
I've been to 4 of those airports. But never stepped outside at O'Hare.
Clodfobble • Oct 31, 2018 9:44 am
Same here, except it was Atlanta where I had the layover.
Gravdigr • Oct 31, 2018 4:39 pm
I have never been, and hope to never be, in any of those airports.
Happy Monkey • Nov 1, 2018 12:02 am
I've been to the 3 in the US as layovers, and Heathrow for an overnight layover, so I got to do a bit of touristy stuff.
tw • Nov 1, 2018 8:32 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1017871 wrote:
I'm surprised NYC doesn't make the list, ...

NYC's airports operated by the NY/NJ Port Authority did 132 million passengers in 2017.

JFK did something under 60 million. Newark did something over 40 million. Laguardia did a paltry 2+ million. That last one was a surprisingly low number.
Diaphone Jim • Nov 2, 2018 12:29 pm
It is interesting where they aren't.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 2, 2018 2:40 pm
tw;1018001 wrote:
NYC's airports operated by the NY/NJ Port Authority did 132 million passengers in 2017.

JFK did something under 60 million. Newark did something over 40 million. Laguardia did a paltry 2+ million. That last one was a surprisingly low number.

60 + 40 + 2 = 102, where's the other 30?

Diaphone Jim;1018032 wrote:
It is interesting where they aren't.

I was surprised Chigo didn't make it.
tw • Nov 2, 2018 9:46 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1018047 wrote:
60 + 40 + 2 = 102, where's the other 30?


I had a same question. Actually the sum comes closer to 110 million. But those were only the top three. PATH NY/NJ has other terminals - that were not listed.

Point is the many NY region airports are high on the list.

I am surprised Dallas (with so many runways) was not listed. My experience at night is Dalla/ FW sky have many planes simultaneousl. At one point I counted something like 20 in approach or departure at the same time.
Diaphone Jim • Nov 3, 2018 2:23 pm
Wouldn't O'Hare be Chicago (Chigo)?
I was thinking more of whole continents and hemispheres not on the map.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 3, 2018 4:48 pm
Yes, O'hare. I didn't notice my creative spelling of Chicago until it was too late to change it. :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 14, 2018 9:46 pm
Bet you've wondered why...

Table #2 has the least popular reasons like, save my job, get a raise, and give someone an STD.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 16, 2018 6:31 pm
7,000 rivers...
Griff • Nov 17, 2018 8:10 am
Economic powerhouse and flood magnet.
tw • Nov 17, 2018 8:28 am
Is that the world's biggest sanitary sewer system?
Diaphone Jim • Nov 17, 2018 4:08 pm
A great graphic of the most important engine of US development.
There was another here a ways back that showed all the major drainages.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 17, 2018 10:12 pm
A human on a bicycle (reasonably flat terrain, not like mountain goat Griff) is still the most energy efficient travel.
Undertoad • Nov 17, 2018 10:50 pm
I've never traveled by bee
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 17, 2018 11:26 pm
How about blowfly?
Undertoad • Nov 19, 2018 2:16 pm
Income inequality decreasing, all income levels seeing improvements

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source (Robert J. Samuelson, Washington Post) (paywalled)
Flint • Nov 19, 2018 5:09 pm
Undertoad;1019199 wrote:

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Stupid question, but are they showing the 2000 incomes in 2015 dollars?

If not, incomes have effectively dropped by 5%, 16%, 17%,16%, and 17% from top to bottom. All categories going negative, but the "least" negative on the poorest quintile.

I guess the question for that lowest quintile is, "how well were the poorest people in the country doing in 2000, " followed by, "are they able to survive while doing 5% worse"? Five percent of a millionaire's income doesn't affect whether they can afford food/shelter/medicine, five percent of a poor person's income probably does.

Losing 16% of effective income for the person making 40 grand is *definitely* hurting them.
Rhianne • Nov 19, 2018 5:29 pm
Flint is right. Change measured in percentage terms means very little when a loaf of bread costs the same for everyone.
Undertoad • Nov 19, 2018 7:40 pm
All figures are corrected for inflation.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 19, 2018 10:25 pm
The Federal Reserve SHED Report for 2017 when business and the Stock Market are booming...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 1, 2018 12:37 am
Search results...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2018 12:16 am
Promiscuous peeps and perps...
glatt • Dec 2, 2018 7:47 am
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Griff • Dec 2, 2018 9:02 am
glatt;1020005 wrote:
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This is pretty interesting.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2018 10:49 am
I'd guess everything from mining down to support for mining got a boost from WW II research and development.
glatt • Dec 2, 2018 12:04 pm
I can't find a handy link to the article but it talks about how these graphs don't show the total number of patents in each area, they only show the significant groundbreaking ones. So if somebody invents a refinement to an existing invention it isn't counted for the graph.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 2, 2018 5:09 pm
Yeas, only "Breathrough" patents per million population. Rather strangely structured. :confused:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2018 12:42 am
Millions of homes but still only 1% of water usage...
Gravdigr • Dec 6, 2018 4:51 pm
Looks like only the sexy ppl are saving water....:)
glatt • Dec 6, 2018 9:38 pm
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Gravdigr • Dec 6, 2018 10:58 pm
Aaand now I'm old.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2018 12:46 am
And manliness...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2018 12:48 am
Not only sperm but freedom is on the decline...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2018 12:49 am
Or escape to Alaska...
Undertoad • Dec 10, 2018 9:57 pm
The french don't need to riot, they don't need fuel taxes, they have already done their part

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2018 3:19 am
But seperate them out from EU and from what I've read they are trying to meet their goals promised to the rest of the EU. Also this fuel tax increase the yellow jackets are so riled up about is not intended to help immediately, it's a long range strategy.
Griff • Dec 11, 2018 7:03 am
Are we sure that isn't cigarette smoke they're smelling.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2018 12:20 pm
That's a problem, it's not what they're smelling it's what they're measuring. If you live near an industrial operation that stinks and the government says they are in compliance, but another business that looks innocuous and is not in compliance, it's hard for laymen to accept their word.

However this whole yellow jacket revolt is over a fuel tax that would cost the average family $14 a month. Macron could put an end to it if he supplied better bread & circuses, or porn on TV.
Diaphone Jim • Dec 11, 2018 8:12 pm
Tomorrow I will figure out the strange differences in water usage. Stay tuned.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 12, 2018 2:51 am
Where the gas goes...
Diaphone Jim • Dec 12, 2018 11:46 am
Everybody else probably knew right away why the domestic water map looks a it does. It wasn't intuitive for this California native.
Many years ago I took my niece on a summer trip to visit family members we didn't get to see much.
At my cousin's place in Arkansas, I mentioned that their vegetable garden was looking a little poorly, with tomatoes and such seriously drooping, and asked if they knew why. "Well, it hasn't rained much this summer." "Why don't you water it?" "Do what?"
The concept was quite foreign to them.
Here is a map to compare with the one above:
https://www.currentresults.com/Images/Maps/usa-state-precipitation-summer.jpg
Bruce's map includes well water and delivered water, but not rainfall.
If you are going to grow stuff in the highest consumption states, you can't rely on water falling on it.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 12, 2018 12:40 pm
ERROR 1011 Access denied.

It's the hippies growing all that married-ya-wanna using all that water. :lol:
Clodfobble • Dec 12, 2018 1:30 pm
Diaphone_Jim wrote:
At my cousin's place in Arkansas, I mentioned that their vegetable garden was looking a little poorly, with tomatoes and such seriously drooping, and asked if they knew why. "Well, it hasn't rained much this summer." "Why don't you water it?" "Do what?"


There are... places where you don't ever have to irrigate? How bizarre.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 12, 2018 1:40 pm
Not only that, there are places where people don't grow shit outside. :eek:
Diaphone Jim • Dec 12, 2018 4:41 pm
Maybe this'll do it
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/average-state-precipitation-in-summer.php
Griff • Dec 12, 2018 7:07 pm
We had a poor garden this year from too much rain.
fargon • Dec 13, 2018 7:26 am
Griff;1020880 wrote:
We had a poor garden this year from too much rain.


So did we.
Griff • Dec 13, 2018 7:32 am
This keeps up we'll be the New PNW and I'll be transplanting North-shore mtb and Grunge.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2018 9:43 pm
Don't guess just ask Google, should I...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 14, 2018 11:44 pm
What do you call the way through the mountains...
glatt • Dec 15, 2018 7:58 am
Bizarre graphic.

Why are there lots of dots that are nowhere near a mountain?

And why is the background photo Earth at Night?

Are these colored lights the population centers where people have one preference or another about what to call a low spot between mountain peaks?
Griff • Dec 15, 2018 9:39 am
I think the migration pattern may line up though.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 15, 2018 10:12 am
glatt;1021035 wrote:
Bizarre graphic.

Why are there lots of dots that are nowhere near a mountain?

And why is the background photo Earth at Night?

Are these colored lights the population centers where people have one preference or another about what to call a low spot between mountain peaks?


The colored dots are the locations of the Gap, Pass, Notch or Saddle, and color coded to the name they are called. If it was a day map they would get lost in the clutter. It depends on your definition of a mountain, there are damn few spots in the country that are flat flat.
Gravdigr • Dec 15, 2018 1:44 pm
Guess they ain't none o' that shit in that big dark stripe.:D
sexobon • Dec 15, 2018 2:58 pm
Blue and yellow makes green; so, how do we know that anyone really calls it a saddle?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 16, 2018 12:23 am
When it's printed on official maps.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 16, 2018 12:47 am
https://www.waywordradio.org/gap-notch-saddle-pass/
glatt • Dec 16, 2018 1:14 pm
All the gaps in Florida crack me up. Gaps between what? Mangroves?
Gravdigr • Dec 16, 2018 4:03 pm
The flat places between the speed bumps?
Clodfobble • Dec 16, 2018 4:11 pm
Teeth
sexobon • Dec 16, 2018 4:15 pm
Thigh gap.

Bad, bad sexobon.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 18, 2018 1:50 am
glatt;1021147 wrote:
All the gaps in Florida crack me up. Gaps between what? Mangroves?

Could be, or gaps between swamps.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 18, 2018 1:52 am
Median age...

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How old is that strip of grass in the center of the highway? :haha:
Diaphone Jim • Dec 18, 2018 2:48 pm
That's mean.
Glinda • Dec 19, 2018 11:07 am
glatt;1021147 wrote:
All the gaps in Florida crack me up. Gaps between what? Mangroves?


Not mangroves; sinkholes.

http://www.moversatlas.com/floridasinkholes.php
Gravdigr • Dec 19, 2018 11:11 am
Damn, it's holes all the way down.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 19, 2018 11:40 pm
Religions...
Griff • Dec 20, 2018 7:48 am
This is where Christians and white nationalists find common ground. Trumps been smart about playing it.

My concern is that any religion is growing if it causes them to celebrate stripping others of rights.
Undertoad • Dec 20, 2018 7:50 am
Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump

Just making sure you got your quota for the day. I don't see this gentleman discussed anywhere else so
Griff • Dec 20, 2018 7:53 am
I hear ya.
Undertoad • Dec 20, 2018 8:01 am
If nobody can talk about anything else, he wins because he is the lone subject. That worked the first time and is the game plan for round two. Prove me wrong
Griff • Dec 20, 2018 8:16 am
I can't, you are absolutely right on this, he's the Tom Wilson of politics living rent free in the heads of the opposition. I'm going to make a concerted effort to find a positive head space.
Diaphone Jim • Dec 20, 2018 12:32 pm
I kind of wanted a LOL or big smile or a wan smile or maybe even a barf on my play on Bruce's grass play above.
Oh, well.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 20, 2018 12:37 pm
I got it, I groaned, sorry you couldn't hear me. :blush:
Clodfobble • Dec 20, 2018 12:43 pm
Yeah, I saw what you did there. In fact, my immediate thought was "I'm so glad I still have a place like this where jokes like that can be casually tossed into conversation," which actually ties in to what Griff/UT were just saying--the world only gets positive when we are positive in it. Should have simply acknowledged it as good instead of viewing it in comparison to negative experiences, my bad.

You are a funny dude, Diaphone Jim. :thumbsup:
Gravdigr • Dec 20, 2018 1:04 pm
Undertoad;1021409 wrote:
Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump


Sounds like a helicopter.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 21, 2018 12:46 am
Important stuff everyone should be aware of...
Undertoad • Dec 21, 2018 7:52 am
:D :thumb:
Griff • Dec 21, 2018 9:21 am
most excellent
Gravdigr • Dec 21, 2018 3:36 pm
Iggy Soda...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 22, 2018 1:53 am
Country Music Construction...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 23, 2018 3:41 pm
Names of cities or towns...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 24, 2018 10:26 pm
No wonder the world is out of balance...
Griff • Dec 25, 2018 8:40 am
Elbow room endorsed.
Gravdigr • Dec 25, 2018 11:25 am
Elbow room good.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 26, 2018 1:30 pm
What storms are called...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 29, 2018 12:50 am
The language of Hip-Hop...
Undertoad • Dec 29, 2018 10:29 am
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Undertoad • Dec 29, 2018 10:37 am
LOL @ New England. Why hate the Jets? It's like hating a hamster. They've won the AFC East TWICE since JOE NAMATH.
Gravdigr • Dec 29, 2018 11:08 am
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These were the most popular Netflix shows in each US state for 2018
Griff • Dec 29, 2018 1:14 pm
Undertoad;1021970 wrote:
LOL @ New England. Why hate the Jets? It's like hating a hamster. They've won the AFC East TWICE since JOE NAMATH.


That is hilarious.
Happy Monkey • Dec 31, 2018 12:22 pm
XKCD
glatt • Jan 3, 2019 2:20 pm
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Hmm. I guess I'm not "normal" after all. I drink more than about 70% of Americans.

The normal American basically doesn't drink.
Flint • Jan 3, 2019 2:30 pm
I had to look at that chart for a minute because it looked like it was saying: "people who drink more than other people drink more than the people who drink less than them."
Gravdigr • Jan 3, 2019 3:40 pm
Today I learned what "decile" means.
Clodfobble • Jan 3, 2019 4:39 pm
glatt wrote:
Hmm. I guess I'm not "normal" after all. I drink more than about 70% of Americans.


Jeez, I have one glass of wine every two months and I'm nearly at the 50th percentile? Baloney. Unless they're counting children, I suspect the question was phrased poorly. Ask me how many drinks I have per week, and my instinctive answer is zero. But in reality it's .12 drinks per week.
Flint • Jan 3, 2019 5:11 pm
I think this is how you show deciles on a bar chart:
Griff • Jan 3, 2019 9:37 pm
Americans are pretty big liars as well.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2019 1:02 am
I don't know about that, half the people I know rarely drink unless there's a party, and a couple never drink. Some weeks I'll have a drink every evening (just 1 but 3 oz 190 proof), but some weeks nothing at all.
Diaphone Jim • Jan 4, 2019 1:00 pm
https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/everclear-facts-you-didnt-know
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 4, 2019 4:12 pm
Nonsense, it's yummy. You can't drink it straight, not you shouldn't, you can't because your throat will slam shut. PA State Liquor stores only have the 150, I have to go to Jersey for the 190. Also in Jersey they have Clear Spring 190 in plastic bottles which are much easier to handle than the glass Everclears.
The calories are a surprise, maybe that's why I've gained 20 lbs in 2 months, I thought I was getting ready to hibernate.

An Everclear hangover is the feeling of looming misery and self-disgust
So how would I know I have a hangover if things seem normal?
Gravdigr • Jan 5, 2019 2:41 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1022486 wrote:
So how would I know I have a hangover if things seem normal?


I know, right?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 6, 2019 1:25 am
It looks like originality is fading...
Griff • Jan 6, 2019 8:34 am
Soon AI will be writing all our scripts.
Gravdigr • Jan 6, 2019 1:31 pm
There are very few stories that haven't been told, in one form or another.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2019 11:46 pm
The method used drawing maps make a big difference...
glatt • Jan 11, 2019 1:00 pm
25000 mile altitude screenshot from Google Earth.
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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 11, 2019 1:04 pm
Looks like Google Earth is Mercator.
glatt • Jan 11, 2019 5:04 pm
depends on where you are looking from.
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xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2019 12:58 am
The skeptical libertarian thinks we have too many prisons and not enough cops.

The US and EU both spend about 1.2% of GDP on police and prisons, but while the EU spends about 5 to 1 in favor of police, the US spends just 1.5 to 1.
As a share of GDP, the EU spends 33% more than the US on police and 60% less on prisons.
In the US, the ratio has shifted significantly over time to favor more prison. Prior to the late 1970s, when incarceration rates started to take off around the country, the US consistently spent about 3 to 1 on police.
Comparing individual US states and EU members shows that the averages aren’t being skewed by outliers. Only one US state had a higher police-to-prison ratio than any European country.
Griff • Jan 12, 2019 9:49 am
We'd have to convince our police to be more like public servants and less paramilitary. Is that even possible?
sexobon • Jan 12, 2019 12:14 pm
You'd think it would be just the opposite. Convince the police to be less paramilitary and more military. Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out. That way you need fewer prisons.
Gravdigr • Jan 12, 2019 2:45 pm
Griff;1022978 wrote:
We'd have to convince our police to be more like public servants and less paramilitary. Is that even possible?


Not with all them military surplus toys they got. It'll never happen.
Griff • Jan 13, 2019 4:44 pm
I assume they feel outnumbered and out gunned, if we fixed the out numbered we'd still be left with the outgunned problem...
sexobon • Jan 13, 2019 5:13 pm
Griff;1023076 wrote:
I assume they feel [COLOR="Green"]outnumbered[/COLOR] and [COLOR="Red"]out gunned[/COLOR], if we fixed the [COLOR="red"]out numbered[/COLOR] we'd still be left with the [COLOR="green"]outgunned[/COLOR] problem...


:eyebrow:
sexobon • Jan 13, 2019 7:35 pm
In places like Columbus, Ohio, police have to be ready to neutralize the threat posed by kindergarteners.
A kindergartner brought a handgun and ammunition to school

&#8230; &#8220;School staff was advised by a caller that a student was walking in with what appeared to be a heavy object in their pants,&#8221; police officials wrote on the department&#8217;s Facebook page. ...

You never know who's packin' heat; or, what it'll take to put 'em on ice. Best to be prepared.
Gravdigr • Jan 13, 2019 8:11 pm
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst.
sexobon • Jan 13, 2019 8:38 pm
Spray and pray.

Ramen.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 17, 2019 1:08 am
People gravitate to the coasts...
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 17, 2019 11:33 pm
I was 19 the first time, but at that time I knew everything.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 19, 2019 11:31 am
Who reads books?
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2019 11:31 am
TS;CR

Too Small; Can't Read

TL;DM

Too Lazy; Didn't Magnify
tw • Jan 21, 2019 11:49 am
DKWYBTPT

Don't know why you bothered to post that.
Gravdigr • Jan 21, 2019 3:32 pm
IWBAATMSS

I was bored and attempting to make someone smile.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2019 1:36 am
Who has the prisoners...
Griff • Jan 22, 2019 8:14 am
Ok, Alaska caught me off guard, what the hell is going on up there?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2019 10:44 am
Low population and alcohol.
glatt • Jan 22, 2019 11:37 am
I was thinking the same thing, but then Maine should be really high too. Instead, it's apparently the lowest.
Happy Monkey • Jan 22, 2019 12:32 pm
(pure guess) maybe Alaska has some prisons that they import prisoners from other states into.
Undertoad • Jan 22, 2019 12:37 pm
Delaware is one-half urban underclass and one-half methy-redneck farming community in decline. It's like the perfect storm for this stat
Griff • Jan 22, 2019 2:29 pm
glatt;1023848 wrote:
I was thinking the same thing, but then Maine should be really high too. Instead, it's apparently the lowest.


Yeah, Maine looks damn good.

Also New Mexico seems to be doing something right despite being wedged between Arizona and Texas.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2019 11:33 pm
Maine dumps the bodies in Canada. :unsure:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2019 1:31 am
Credit? You said it! Step right up, sit right down, sign on the line, we'll love you big time.

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When I was traveling a lot for Westinghouse, often 10 or 12 weeks at a time, my wife was doing the bills for continuity. She was paying the minimum on several cards to retain more play money. Got in the hole pretty deep before I found out, and wasted a fortune in interest getting out. :(
Gravdigr • Jan 24, 2019 2:04 pm
I'm $6250 under the curve.:jig:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2019 2:09 pm
The reason for UT's concern. :haha:
Flint • Jan 24, 2019 6:09 pm
I've always encouraged everyone to ignore news articles about Trump's approval rating. Instead, consult a reliable polling aggregate like 538, and observe that no matter what happens, it always averages out to a straight line over any reasonable length of time (that is to say-- you either love him or you hate him).

I still believe this, but I was curious about whether enough time has passed since the government shutdown for the polling averages to catch up, and show what people think (in the short term) in regards to Trump "owning" the shutdown.

What I see here is an extended, starkly directional line, like rarely has happened (not since right after he was elected, and then, arguably, in December 2017). Does it mean anything? Who knows? Here's the visual:

*and over the entire tenure, yes it's still just a straight line
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2019 12:38 am
This shows the percentage of population which is religious from you bet your bippy Utah, to the deeply heathen northwest. :haha:
Clodfobble • Jan 25, 2019 8:14 am
Water sure is fine here in "Austin Lake"...
Griff • Jan 25, 2019 10:23 am
Ha!
glatt • Jan 25, 2019 5:10 pm
Yesterday's electricity supply in California by type over the course of the day. See that big green bump during the middle of the day? That's solar. It only woks when the sun shines. The rest of the time, they have to bring the natural gas plants on line and import electricity from neighboring states. Nuclear output doesn't fluctuate at all.

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Undertoad • Jan 25, 2019 6:59 pm
That is a great resource, I wish we had one for every location.

Change the date to various August days to see usage in peak summer... but in any case, batteries and grid storage and smart charging would smooth that out nicely!
BigV • Jan 25, 2019 10:16 pm
Clodfobble;1024087 wrote:
Water sure is fine here in "Austin Lake"...


Ramen sister!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2019 12:23 am
You're telling me that CA solar is putting out 2200 megawatts when the sun don't shine... at night... when it's dark? :confused:


Oh I get it, duh. Not solar, renewables.
glatt • Jan 26, 2019 7:54 am
Undertoad;1024158 wrote:
That is a great resource, I wish we had one for every location.




I have been playing with this a little bit. Just realized there is an app for that, and through the app, you can get alerts when certain conditions of your choosing arise.

Not sure how to set the alerts. Can an individual purchase electricity from a specific producer in another state? This map shows the price ftim different producers in real time as they fluctuate through the day.
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glatt • Jan 26, 2019 7:57 am
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fargon • Jan 26, 2019 11:29 am
I guess electricity costs the same everywhere.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2019 12:07 pm
See, this is what happens when the government sticks their nose into private enterprise. What? Cheaper more reliable power, that's what.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 27, 2019 1:04 am
War... what is it good for... absolutely nothing.
Flint • Jan 28, 2019 4:10 pm
Flint;1024048 wrote:
I've always encouraged everyone to ignore news articles about Trump's approval rating. Instead, consult a reliable polling aggregate like 538, and observe that no matter what happens, it always averages out to a straight line over any reasonable length of time (that is to say-- you either love him or you hate him).

I still believe this, but I was curious about whether enough time has passed since the government shutdown for the polling averages to catch up, and show what people think (in the short term) in regards to Trump "owning" the shutdown.

What I see here is an extended, starkly directional line, like rarely has happened (not since right after he was elected, and then, arguably, in December 2017). Does it mean anything? Who knows? Here's the visual:

*and over the entire tenure, yes it's still just a straight line

Any change since the shutdown ended on Friday? Too soon for the polls to reflect this, but no break in the trend. Trump was riding a smooth straight line since May 2018, then the shutdown began and the effect was immediate-- rocketing him to within 1.5 points of the worst he's ever done (August and December of 2017).
Glinda • Jan 28, 2019 8:45 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1024070 wrote:
This shows the percentage of population which is religious from you bet your bippy Utah, to the deeply heathen northwest. :haha:


OALC I'm surrounded. :(
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2019 12:51 am
Yeah, that's the ticket, barefoot, pregnant and head covered. :rolleyes:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 29, 2019 1:56 am
It seems many of the NATO members expect the US to cover their ass.
Let Uncle Sam do it.
Gravdigr • Jan 29, 2019 10:37 am
And then bitch about and condemn us for every single aspect of what we did to hand them their country back.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 31, 2019 12:32 am
As Corporations battle unions this will become more unbalanced...
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 31, 2019 12:25 pm
How much snow to close school? As always YMMV.
Gravdigr • Jan 31, 2019 12:51 pm
Just a couple days ago they closed the schools because the weatherman said the word 'snow'.

Actually, I'm not sure the weatherman said it.

All but one of the tv stations around here have moved to weatherbunnies. They're all hot, too.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 31, 2019 2:49 pm
Same here, hard to get the weather, traffic, or anything not hard news from a man.
I understand there's a facebook group for TV weather women where they discuss wardrobe for greenscreen TV, styles for large busted women, sleeve and neckline types, etc. When one finds a dress that works well, it suddenly starts appearing on stations across the country.
Griff • Jan 31, 2019 5:05 pm
Yeah, they hired a superintendent from Virginia here a while back now school gets called for no reason at all. When I was a boy...
Gravdigr • Feb 1, 2019 12:47 pm
Griff;1024663 wrote:
When I was a boy...


Boy?! You don't know how good you had it, son.

I was sprouted from a turnip seed. And when I grew up, it was up all the way...
Diaphone Jim • Feb 1, 2019 8:07 pm
Are there "microweather" forecasts all over the country?
I think someone patented or copyrighted the term, which even though a legitimate one, has nothing to do with the TV product.
I wonder if there is one "microweather" man or woman in each market.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 2, 2019 1:45 am
Google is working on that.

I like Dark Sky Just plug in your location and it will give what going to happen each day for a week ahead.
It tells me things like, it's going to start raining in 10 minutes but will be over at XX o'clock with a total rainfall of less than and inch. Then it will be cloudy and breezy until YY o'clock.
Gravdigr • Feb 2, 2019 2:52 pm
Accuweather does similar things. "Rain will begin in 26 minutes." "A break in the rain in 20 minutes." "Snow ending in 91 minutes".

Not as well presented as Dark Sky, looks like.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 3, 2019 6:05 am
I have a wireless 5 Day Weather Forecaster on my desk that's hooked to Accuweather. When I turned it on the first time it gave me a choice of cities in the area with Philly being the closest, so it's not exact. Gives me a rough idea of what's happening then if I'm going some place or planning something I'll get on the net for more details at Dark Sky.

That forecaster is from myambient.com but when I just tried to go there I got...
Your connection is not private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.myambient.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).
:facepalm:
Undertoad • Feb 3, 2019 9:22 am
That's why Cellar went https, so it doesn't get that warning

Google gave us a good year to get ready for that.
gtown • Feb 4, 2019 1:03 am
xoxoxoBruce;1024644 wrote:
Same here, hard to get the weather, traffic, or anything not hard news from a man.
I understand there's a facebook group for TV weather women where they discuss wardrobe for greenscreen TV, styles for large busted women, sleeve and neckline types, etc. When one finds a dress that works well, it suddenly starts appearing on stations across the country.

As in this pic and this article
https://www.thisisinsider.com/newscasters-are-wearing-this-20-dollar-dress-2017-7
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 4, 2019 5:50 am
Thanks gtown, the meteorologists is what I was reading about.
Shelby Hays, a KOCO Meteorologist from Oklahoma told Tech Insider that many female meteorologists are subject to a strict dress code for what they can and cannot wear on air. Patterns are considered "too busy" and there are often regulations on sleeve length or style, Hays told us. She says she buys her own clothes, admitting she sometimes gets flack from viewers if she repeats outfits too frequently.

Man, I don't get it. They are on the news/weather to give you the news/weather (duh), why should the viewer feel the right to complain about what they wear even if they care?:eyebrow:

The article you direct linked they were talking about the Skaters dress newscasters were buying.
It's girly, but it's also very feminine.

What's the difference, I thought they meant the same thing?
Gravdigr • Feb 4, 2019 5:15 pm
This may be a repeat:

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xoxoxoBruce • Feb 8, 2019 3:43 am
I told grandpa we were hot stuff...
Undertoad • Feb 8, 2019 8:25 am
Things to consider

Pre-1980, the record of how temps went on the entire continent of Antarctica are based on two thermometers, and the ocean numbers are almost guesses. 1980 should be the starting point for graphics like this -- that is when we started accurately measuring the whole thing.

The lower troposphere satellites say this was the 6th warmest year on record. "The record" is since we have been measuring temperature, not all time. It has been warmer on the planet but not recently.
tw • Feb 8, 2019 8:33 am
Undertoad;1025323 wrote:
"The record" is since we have been measuring temperature, not all time. It has been warmer on the planet but not recently.

Those temperatures are locked and recorded elsewhere - ie geology. We know the earth has never seen so much temperature increase so quickly - even long before humans existed. No other temperature change comes anywhere near to what we have created in the past 100 years. None.
Gravdigr • Feb 8, 2019 12:36 pm
Meh, temp goes up and down, always has always will.

I don't know that we're causing it, but, we prolly ain't helping.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 13, 2019 2:40 am
Was it after 9-11 that fake news stirred people up enough to twist their perception?
The 40, 60, 80 on the left side of the perception chart I put there because the original numbers were so blurry I couldn't read them. I found the same graph done by the PEW and verified they are correct.
glatt • Feb 13, 2019 8:36 am
Republicans perform better in elections when the citizens are afraid.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 13, 2019 2:08 pm
But after they build a wall and we're all snug and safe in our beds, then they would do worse in elections. You don't suppose they would fabricate a bogie man do you. :haha:
glatt • Feb 13, 2019 2:12 pm
Remember the terror level thing Bush had? LOL.

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Flint • Feb 13, 2019 3:10 pm
Everybody likes White men, except Black women. Nobody likes Black men, except for Black women. Nobody like Black women. Everybody likes Asian women, except for Asian men. The only group who likes each other back is White men and Asian women.
fargon • Feb 13, 2019 6:28 pm
What's wrong with a little contrast in your printing, I could barely see that.
Gravdigr • Feb 14, 2019 1:01 pm
Flint;1025677 wrote:
Everybody likes White men, except Black women. Nobody likes Black men, except for Black women. Nobody like Black women. Everybody likes Asian women, except for Asian men. The only group who likes each other back is White men and Asian women.


&#9834; &#9835;You love her&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;But she loves him&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;And he loves somebody else&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;You just can't win&#9834; &#9835;

&#9834; &#9835;And so it goes&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;Till the day you die&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;This thing they call love&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;It's gonna make you cry&#9834; &#9835;

&#9834; &#9835;I've had the blues&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;The reds and the pinks&#9834; &#9835;
&#9834; &#9835;One thing's for sure&#9834; &#9835;

&#9834; &#9835;Love stinks&#9834; &#9835;


~Love Stinks by J. Geils Band
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 15, 2019 3:11 am
Regular taxes and Rich people taxes... Of course they're only showing the top rate which doesn't apply to most of us.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 16, 2019 3:29 am
A peak of $5 Billion a month, some were getting very rich, that's a lot of war bonds...
Undertoad • Feb 17, 2019 1:56 pm
Yesterday's electricity supply in California by type over the course of the day. See that big green bump during the middle of the day? That's solar. It only woks when the sun shines. The rest of the time, they have to bring the natural gas plants on line and import electricity from neighboring states. Nuclear output doesn't fluctuate at all.


Keep thinking about this a lot. The graph gets more more interesting with other news.

One, I had heard CA was going to close down another nuclear plant; I didn't realize it's the last one in the state, the one creating that black line of constant generation.

That happens in six years; nice work, hippies; hope you know what you're doing.

Two, there is a huge solar facility being constructed in Virginia. It will be the largest solar facility in the eastern US. It will use 6,000 acres, of which 3,500 will be panels, I think.

To build this, they are cutting down trees in an area about 40% the size of Manhattan. That's a lot of forest lost!

The largest solar facility in the east will only be rated at 500MW. I do not understand whether that is during sunlight hours, or an estimated average across time. It is sad that you only get 500MW out of losing that many trees.

For comparison, VA currently has two nuclear plants and one of them is planning an expansion. Currently those plants produce 3568MW of power, they are hoping a future unit will raise that to 5103MW.

After considering all these numbers, it still seems to me like we need another round of nuclear while we wait for a few more rounds of innovation on solar and batteries and conservation. At least, insist that panels go on top of commercial and industrial buildings first.

Or shut down the remaining coal plants and replace with gas, as the interim measure.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2019 1:29 am
I wonder if they include the corporate owned units mounted on homes under contract, in their total output calculations?

The reason is simple: Homeowners usually pay nothing upfront. A company like Sunrun puts solar panels on your roof, connects them to your home, and claims a tax benefit for owning the system. Going forward, you pay Sunrun to provide the bulk of your electricity needs instead of your utility.

I’d soon learn that the system was tied to the title of the house. It appeared that if we bought Jug’s place, we’d have to assume his lease arrangement with Sunrun. I wasn’t sure how I felt about this as a buyer, but it definitely piqued my curiosity as a journalist. I set out to examine the value proposition carefully.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 18, 2019 1:58 am
Where your food dollar goes...
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 21, 2019 3:04 am
The longest war...
Gravdigr • Feb 21, 2019 2:31 pm
Porn Chart

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Gravdigr • Feb 21, 2019 2:33 pm
War in Afghanistan approaching 15 years old...

...and heroin is cheaper than it's ever been.

Coincidence?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 22, 2019 1:35 am
It's cheaper because we don't have a wall to stop them. :rolleyes:
tw • Feb 22, 2019 10:25 am
We only need four walls. Large enough to hold an inflated ego and his 37 co-conspirator felons.

Can Trump be sent to Guantanamo? That will make America great - and Cuba dirty.

Trump will pay for those walls. He said so. It must be true.
Gravdigr • Feb 23, 2019 10:29 am
tw;1026377 wrote:
Can Trump be sent to Guantanamo?


Only if the keyholders say he's a terrorist.
Griff • Feb 25, 2019 6:28 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_catastrophic_risk
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2019 2:44 am
Good, now we can hunt down them whippersnappers...:crone:
Griff • Mar 1, 2019 7:27 am
Wanna guess which counties in NYS have the highest prison bed to overall population ratio?
Gravdigr • Mar 1, 2019 8:30 pm
The ones with the penitentiaries?
tw • Mar 2, 2019 12:25 am
Gravdigr;1026473 wrote:
Only if the keyholders say he's a terrorist.

Almost all but maybe 60 (of 800) detainees, it turns out, were not terrorists. How did they get in and The Don cannot? Oh. Doors in Guantanamo are not large enough for that ego? Bigger cell doors are needed. The Don will pay for it.
Gravdigr • Mar 2, 2019 11:21 am
Nah, he'll get Mexico to pay for it.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 3, 2019 1:12 am
Danger, danger Will Robinson...
Undertoad • Mar 5, 2019 8:06 am
From a great Atlantic piece "The Geography of Partisan Prejudice", a map of tribalism: how intolerant are you of the other political party?

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The problem is... us older urban educated white people:

In general, the most politically intolerant Americans, according to the analysis, tend to be whiter, more highly educated, older, more urban, and more partisan themselves. This finding aligns in some ways with previous research by the University of Pennsylvania professor Diana Mutz, who has found that white, highly educated people are relatively isolated from political diversity. They don&#8217;t routinely talk with people who disagree with them; this isolation makes it easier for them to caricature their ideological opponents.


You don't say!
Undertoad • Mar 5, 2019 8:07 am
Of course you wanted these as well... you old white educated urban, you:

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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 5, 2019 9:23 am
It just stands to reason, if they don't agree with my political philosophy they are morons of such low IQ it would be a waste of time talking with them as they have nothing to teach me.
Clodfobble • Mar 5, 2019 11:35 am
I'm curious to see how those maps would change depending on who happens to be President in a given year. My guess is that whichever party is out-of-power will be angrier, and anger leads to greater caricature and "othering."

I also find it interesting how many "most" and "least" counties are right next to each other, even far away from the obvious urban/suburban divides. Seems like a small change puts you at the other end of the sample.
Undertoad • Mar 5, 2019 1:54 pm
The Atlantic piece suggests that is true; in the 2014 Pew survey, Republicans were less tolerant, and today Democrats are less tolerant.

There is also apparently an Economist chart showing how polarization is still growing, as part of the Ds shift further left (a move not all Ds are comfy with and may lead to a realignment IMO).
Gravdigr • Mar 5, 2019 6:01 pm
A timeline of the band Free:

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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 6, 2019 1:37 am
Keep in mind this is not the national debt, this is the yearly deficit added to the debt.
Griff • Mar 6, 2019 7:49 am
Undertoad;1027481 wrote:


There is also apparently an Economist chart showing how polarization is still growing, as part of the Ds shift further left (a move not all Ds are comfy with and may lead to a realignment IMO).


I think this is possible. The Dems have been a center right party cloaked in identity politics since Clinton. This seems to have gutted the Republicans of non-religious moderates and also gave left wingers nowhere to go. May you live in interesting times.
slang • Mar 7, 2019 7:29 am
xoxoxoBruce;893717 wrote:
But then a shitload of science is financed through DARPA and I'm not sure where that money would show up... if at all.


DARPA starts a company, then that company spins off another, then an existing DARPA startup morphs into something else, then THAT company develops it's "purpose", then creates something a bit different but with a similar theme, and on and on and on...

DARPA---Google---LifeLog---FaceBook---YouTube---Twitter---23andMe---The Brain Initiative---AncestoryDotCom---LinkedIn

All taking every aspect of your life and placing it in a life log. Individually they seem cool enough. Take a step back and maybe not as much so.

Data from every aspect of your life being collected. And shared. For one great big file about YOU ( and me ).

No, that's not disturbing. :eek3: They are all working for my best interests. :crazy:

And so much of it starts with DARPA.
Undertoad • Mar 7, 2019 8:01 am
What are you afraid of?
slang • Mar 7, 2019 9:12 am
Undertoad;1027654 wrote:
What are you afraid of?


I'm nervous about these things. I don't trust them. Despite all "safe guards" we rarely truly understand what is really going on behind the scenes. Do you? I respectfully suggest that not you or anyone that isn't in their staff meetings doesn't.

BIGs. Big government, big tech, big medical, big anything. Big policy, big control, big legal.

Especially centralized BIGs.

I trust you as a friend far more than a corporation or government agency.

You don't have the power of those but I can trust you more.
Gravdigr • Mar 7, 2019 10:54 am
Trust no one.
slang • Mar 7, 2019 11:20 am
Gravdigr;1027669 wrote:
Trust no one.


Do you really want to live in a world where you can't trust anybody not to tell everybody where the bodies are buried?
Gravdigr • Mar 7, 2019 1:06 pm
I live in this world you describe. Want doesn't enter into it.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2019 2:01 pm
Don't forget to shovel the roof...
Undertoad • Mar 7, 2019 5:15 pm
DARPA didn't start Google or any those companies that' I'm aware. Links?

I'm nervous about these things. I don't trust them.


I went through a long time where I didn't trust -- but after 25 years of that, I noticed that 100% of my fears never occurred. They were just conspiracy theories in my own mind. I dropped it all, and I am happier for it.

Back in the day - the late 80s/90s - we believed that if we got a supermarket club card, the supermarkets would collect our data and sell it to insurance companies, who would then apply that data to figure out who had/were going to have health issues, and raise our rates.

People were busy doing things like working out fake phone numbers and names and whatnot so they could keep using the club cards

Huge, almost viral fear. Problem is, it never happened. I have never even heard of anything bad happening with club card data. Not once, and I worked IT for a supermarket with club cards.

Now I'm past middle age and I do not recall ANY similar fear coming to fruition. Nothing has happened to me or anyone I know. I await evidence; I do not believe anything without evidence. Until then, my real data is on all my club cards; I gleefully use my real name on everything; and I do not engage in one moment of worry about it.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2019 5:34 pm
Undertoad;1027708 wrote:
DARPA didn't start Google or any those companies that' I'm aware. Links?

Wasn't it DARPA projects that sparked the desire to hook the universities to electronically pass information and messages? If so, being the start of the internet DARPA should get some credit I suppose.

I went through a long time where I didn't trust -- but after 25 years of that, I noticed that 100% of my fears never occurred.

So you're saying if it's going on it hasn't negatively affected you, that you're are aware of.

I figure if Google can profit from all the dirt they have on me good for them, small reward for providing me with Chrome, Gmail, Earth, and search.
Undertoad • Mar 7, 2019 6:37 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1027709 wrote:
Wasn't it DARPA projects that sparked the desire to hook the universities to electronically pass information and messages? If so, being the start of the internet DARPA should get some credit I suppose.


They have zero involvement in Google, just like the guy who invented asphalt has zero involvement in my driveway.

So you're saying if it's going on it hasn't negatively affected you, that you're are aware of.


Yes. And you? And the rest of us? Bring out your evidence, everyone, all the bad things that have happened. I would like to hear the very worst of it.

(And if you're not aware of it, how bad can it be?)
Flint • Mar 7, 2019 7:11 pm
Undertoad;1027716 wrote:

(And if you're not aware of it, how bad can it be?)


The NSA's mass surveillance program seemed pretty bad. And pretty consistent with decades of privacy fears. Assuming equivalence (which there isn't) wouldn't you say the 'grocery store club card' anecdote and the 'government is spying on everybody' anecdote, "cancel" each other out*?



*that's not how it works, but if it did
Undertoad • Mar 7, 2019 7:28 pm
It's a good example.

Examples do not have to "cancel each other out".

Would you say that the harm done to you by the NSA spying would be greater than, or less than, the harm done to you by worrying about the privacy of your information for 50 years? I do not know the extent of the NSA spying, other than to collect call data via the FISA courts.

(Aside: in my work in telephony, I have seen an awful lot of raw call data. It's super boring.)
Flint • Mar 7, 2019 7:48 pm
That's a good question.

Personally, it's hard for me to answer. Because I don't care about, or worry about privacy anymore. I think that ship has sailed, and nothing I can do will change that, so I wrote it off. It doesn't occupy any of my thoughts.

I guess, it's still, potentially a bad idea, in that it could be misused.

But, ¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯
sexobon • Mar 7, 2019 7:57 pm
sexobon;870294 wrote:
I have a subscription to Counterprism Online and for just $49.95 all records of my electronic communications are virtually shredded, to top secret classified information standards, for an entire year.
Undertoad • Mar 7, 2019 8:46 pm
TBF it did involve exactly the kind of collusion slang is talking about though.

It's not really the example I was talking about. I would like to know the worst thing that has happened to you or your family from your data

I understand that the NSA spying was used, on occasion, for the wrong purpose. I understand that means it could have been used on me. But it's also like, my girlfriend doesn't work at the NSA so I'm cool. If they look at my stuff they will find I am not a terrorist. I am pretty boring. I drive a Rogue (for fuck's sake). I watch less porn than the average person, which means I believe I watch too much.

I have offered up huge amounts of my life just because it was fun to share. I am not scared anything will happen. It never has. I have just kept on living.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2019 11:43 pm
Nope, hasn't affected me that I'm aware of, however it may when Putin or Fatty III become our overlords. :D
slang • Mar 8, 2019 7:27 am
Undertoad;1027708 wrote:
DARPA didn't start Google or any those companies that' I'm aware. Links?


DARPA LifeLog

The objective of the LifeLog concept was "to be able to trace the 'threads' of an individual's life in terms of events, states, and relationships", and it has the ability to "take in all of a subject's experience, from phone numbers dialed and e-mail messages viewed to every breath taken, step made and place gone".[1]

The DARPA program was canceled in January, 2004, after criticism from civil libertarians concerning the privacy implications of the system.[4] The same month Facebook launches and some people speculate that Facebook might (?) be a continuation of the Life Log project. [5]

[1]"Pentagon Explores a New Frontier In the World of Virtual Intelligence"

[4] Pentagon Kills LifeLog Project

[5]Darpa's LifeLog "canceled" the same day Facebook was founded (Feb 4, 2004).


What are people of this age always looking for? Better ways of doing almost everything. Better analysis and prediction of trends and understanding complexities previously unused, not understood or even unaware of.

Data. To "improve" everything. To create more comprehensive, more economical and effective systems and processes.

Is it incomprehensible that government and industry would not want to collect all possible data to create "better" policies, procedures and conclusions? For their benefit and not necessarily ours?


slang;1027651 wrote:
DARPA---Google---LifeLog---FaceBook---YouTube---Twitter---23andMe---The Brain Initiative---AncestoryDotCom---LinkedIn


The Long Read: Google &#8211; Seeded By The Pentagon

"By Dr Nafeez Ahmed &#8211; Insurge Intelligence: As our governments push to increase their powers, INSURGE INTELLIGENCE can now reveal the vast extent to which the US intelligence community is implicated in nurturing the web platforms we know today, for the precise purpose of utilizing the technology as a mechanism to fight a global &#8216;information war&#8217;&#8202;&#8212;&#8202;a war to legitimize the power of the few over the rest of us."

What are your citizens wanting to know about? What are they searching for online? How can you appear to be of help to people while effectively learning their trends in real time?

You could create Google. Or F***book, or Youtube, or Twitter, or 23andMe, etc. They aren't evil, you know.

But it's just me, I'm the only guy creeped out by all this. :headbag: :lol2:
Undertoad • Mar 8, 2019 7:44 am
Ugh. I'm sorry you think that is evidence.
slang • Mar 8, 2019 8:07 am
:headbag: :blush:

[MuffledByPaperBag]

Wikipedia, NYT, Wired, Reddit and themillenniumreport.com not credible?

Let me see if I can hack into DoD and look around. This might take some time.

[/MuffledByPaperBag]
Undertoad • Mar 8, 2019 9:59 am
They don't say what you say they say!

This is kind of what I'm saying. I've heard these kinds of things thrown at the wall my entire lifetime. I don't recall any of them turning out to be the case. So now I'm never convinced by this variety of weak-ass shit.

One dude and a website ain't cuttin' it for me. /r/conspiracy, give me a fuckin' break. I need to see documents and results.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 8, 2019 10:13 am
All the documents and reports on results were gathered but unfortunately were stored at Benghazi and destroyed in the fire.
Of course information of this importance couldn't be just backed up any old place unsecured, so they can't be reconstructed.
Pretty obvious the Pope, Jews, and Masons were in on it. :unsure:
slang • Mar 8, 2019 11:34 am
Undertoad;1027765 wrote:
...One dude and a website ain't cuttin' it for me. /r/conspiracy, give me a fuckin' break. I need to see documents and results.




Ok, Ok, I hear you. Let me see if I can get something better.


slang [picks up the phone...starts dialing] ringing....

Ac Sec Shanahan Central Command, may I oppress you? This phone call is being recorded, your geographical position triangulated and your voice being loaded into voice stress analysis software.

slang Yah-huh, is Pat available to take a call? It's slang.

Ac Sec Shanahan slang.

slang Yah. He'll know me. Haven't spoken in a while but, trust me, he'll know who I am.

Ac Sec Shanahan ....

slang I'm a US citizen. He likes US citizens.

Ac Sec Shanahan ...Please hold for the Secretary....

slang Great, thanks.

Ac Sec Shanahan Wha wha blah blahbidy blah

slang Hey, hiyadoin'. Looks like you're moving up in the world.

Ac Sec Shanahan Blabby blah kaddy du. Be bop de op! :lol:

slang Yes, yes. Congratulations. Even with the "acting"

Ac Sec Shanahan Dubity doo wa kah?

slang Listen, I got myself in a jam-

Ac Sec Shanahan Piddy ku gun ka?

slang No, no, not that serious of a jam. The thing is, I'm posting on the cellar.org. in defense of my own knowledge of :lol: not exactly trusting all you mother effers.

Ac Sec Shanahan Ku bit blah kah? Meoh Ack so?

slang Oh, you're looking at it now, great. Thing is I need some better proof or at the very least, evidence links to post that you guys are gearin' up to give us a royal screwin' with all this "social media" crap.

Ac Sec Shanahan Hmmm. Bedi ang lami? Blah blahh ni ka?

slang Yes, yes, I posted links from Wikipedia, NYT, Wired, Reddit and themillenniumreport.com. Not impressed.

Ac Sec Shanahan Dibah. Ang ak so nu blah blah? :lol:

slang Is there ANYTHING in the public realm that you might give me in defense of my paranoia? Links? Documents? Maybe testimony? Something?

Ac Sec Shanahan Hinah. Bit do sik ah.

slang Well, that's sorta what I thought. DENIED. Even for an old pal?

Ac Sec Shanahan Hinah. Bit do sik ah. Pee de bot be ng round top. Mit ko na sah.

slang Yah, I just wrote that a few days ago.

Ac Sec Shanahan Hinah. Bit do sik ah.

slang No, no, no. I left your name out of it. You see any reference to "my old friend Patrick from teenage years" shooting a 22 pistol at cans on the pond?

Ac Sec Shanahan Dabee. Bla-ka dee bah na?

slang Read it. There's no mention of where the body is buried. Would I do that?

Ac Sec Shanahan Hmmmm. Gah-da-it mo ang na sa.

slang All right. You are not giving me classified info so that I can post links on the cellar in defense of my theory that you crazy m-effers are collecting every Fing thing we do online to be used against us at some point unknown and for reasons as yet unknown. And you are not happy for me even asking. Got it.

Ac Sec Shanahan blak-de-ba-na!! -[click!]-


Ok. That's my only wildcard. Not much else I can post or research here on this subject.

Oh, and just because you can't prove it without classified or proprietary information, doesn't mean it's not true.

Just sayin'
slang • Mar 8, 2019 12:18 pm
sexobon;1027730 wrote:
I have a subscription to Counterprism Online and for just $49.95 all records of my electronic communications are virtually shredded, to top secret classified information standards, for an entire year.



Noted. Thanks.

This isn't a f****book product by any chance?

Joking.
Undertoad • Mar 8, 2019 12:21 pm
Oh, and just because you can't prove it without classified or proprietary information, doesn't mean it's not true.


Sure; it's impossible to prove a negative. But having a question you don't know the answer to doesn't mean you can answer it however you prefer.
slang • Mar 8, 2019 12:41 pm
Undertoad;1027784 wrote:
Sure; it's impossible to prove a negative. But having a question you don't know the answer to doesn't mean you can answer it however you prefer.



I do know the answer.
slang • Mar 8, 2019 3:03 pm
Ok, I've got some new sources. Better sources.

themillenniumreport.com and Secretary Patrick M. Shanahan send their regards.

I've got the entire weekend. Lot of reading to do.
Flint • Mar 8, 2019 6:27 pm
what is even going on in here
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 9, 2019 1:37 am
Babbling Tagalog. ;)
Undertoad • Mar 9, 2019 10:46 am
Flint;1027808 wrote:
what is even going on in here


Interesting graphs and charts!
sexobon • Mar 9, 2019 11:02 am
Undertoad;1027823 wrote:
Interesting graphs and charts!

Try spicing it up a little...
Flint;1027808 wrote:
what is even going on in here

Kinky stuff, like graphs and charts fetishes!
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2019 4:59 am
Almost as expensive as spouses...
Gravdigr • Mar 10, 2019 12:27 pm
What is 'Almost as expensive as spouses'?

Ppl? Cars? Tigers on a gold leash? TVs? Key chains? Garden gnomes? Condoms? Manhole covers? Coke habits? Rabbits? Sex slaves? Houses? Pets? Children? Parents? Strippers? Straight-up whores? Politicians? Hard candy? Fences? Roofs? Carpet? Hard wood? Airplanes? Submarines? U.S. Marines? Annual Maintenance Cost graphs? Aquamarines? Trucks? Limited liability companies? Rose bushes? Kaepernicks? Smollets? Sexual misconduct claims?

Ooh, snap! IgotitIgotit!!!

Red Roof Inns. You're talking about Red Roof Inns, aren't ya?

I knew it.
tw • Mar 10, 2019 4:39 pm
Red roof? Isn't that just another indicator of a red light district?

Maybe Tom Bodett will leave the lights on.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2019 7:24 pm
Number one most popular book in each state.
Gravdigr • Mar 11, 2019 1:13 pm
2018 is a most fucked up chart. I hope the person who made it was, too. I hope everyone involved with it was fucked up beyond belief. If they weren't, they should have been, they might've made a better chart.

Re: 2016 (what is that Massachusetts? Watership Down)

I'm currently trying to watch Watership Down on NetFlix.
Undertoad • Mar 11, 2019 2:05 pm
Turns out it's most popular book in each state for books that were read on the Scribd platform.

I know: "The what?"
Flint • Mar 11, 2019 4:00 pm
Flint;1024048 wrote:
I've always encouraged everyone to ignore news articles about Trump's approval rating. Instead, consult a reliable polling aggregate like 538, and observe that no matter what happens, it always averages out to a straight line over any reasonable length of time (that is to say-- you either love him or you hate him).

...
but I was curious about whether enough time has passed since the government shutdown for the polling averages to catch up, and show what people think (in the short term) in regards to Trump "owning" the shutdown.
...


Flint;1024352 wrote:
...
Any change since the shutdown ended on Friday?
...


Checked https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ today, Trump's approval rating bumped back up after the shutdown scandal, to--you guessed it--almost exactly where it was a year ago. Literally nothing that happens can affect his approval over time--it's a pure, perfect split of made-up minds.
BigV • Mar 11, 2019 5:05 pm
Wait a damn minute.

Re snow loads on roofs.

The ice on my roof is 92 percent water.. And 8 percent what? Presumably not water?
Perhaps they're suggesting it's air?
Gravdigr • Mar 11, 2019 8:59 pm
8% coldasfuckium?
Happy Monkey • Mar 11, 2019 10:38 pm
2017 Massachusetts made me a bit sad. The author was a professor of mine.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 12, 2019 1:17 am
BigV;1028025 wrote:
Wait a damn minute.

Re snow loads on roofs.

The ice on my roof is 92 percent water.. And 8 percent what? Presumably not water?
Perhaps they're suggesting it's air?


&#9835; Tiny bubbles (tiny bubbles)
In the ice (in the ice)
&#9835; Make me happy (make me happy)
Make me feel nice (make me feel nice)
Gravdigr • Mar 12, 2019 11:39 am
I'm listening to Tiny Bubbles rfn.

Hadn't heard it in forever. Thx.:D
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 13, 2019 5:12 am
Who's the homebodies?
Gravdigr • Mar 13, 2019 9:46 am
If I didn't live here, I'd move.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 18, 2019 12:59 am
They are beginning to see common symbols between cave paintings in far flung corners of the earth, and speculating there was some common language.
Gravdigr • Mar 18, 2019 8:21 am
Same symbols, but, did they have the same meanings?

A squiggle here means snake, a squiggle there might mean a river...

Provocative of thought.
Undertoad • Mar 18, 2019 7:40 pm
Image
Griff • Mar 18, 2019 8:36 pm
That....is.....awesome
Gravdigr • Mar 18, 2019 9:06 pm
:lol2:
Happy Monkey • Mar 18, 2019 9:56 pm
His name's Mimal.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 18, 2019 11:59 pm
You westerners, Mimal farts in your general direction.
Gravdigr • Mar 19, 2019 11:49 am
BUtbutbut he's pissing in the chicken pan!!!!

[SIZE="1"]And it's splashing on me.[/SIZE]:greenface
glatt • Mar 19, 2019 1:30 pm
I can't post the graph in the Cellar, because it's animation/software, but it's really worth clicking and checking out.

A population race between the largest cities of the world over half a millennium.
Flint • Mar 19, 2019 1:40 pm
glatt;1028599 wrote:
I can't post the graph in the Cellar, because it's animation/software, but it's really worth clicking and checking out.

A population race between the largest cities of the world over half a millennium.


Cool. Guangzhou? ... Also known as 'Canton' ...guess that's why I've heard of Cantonese.
Gravdigr • Mar 19, 2019 2:57 pm
glatt;1028599 wrote:
I can't post the graph in the Cellar, because it's animation/software, but it's really worth clicking and checking out.

A population race between the largest cities of the world over half a millennium.


Firefox gives me a blank page when I follow that link.

So does IE.

Just FYI.
fargon • Mar 19, 2019 3:12 pm
Chrome works just fine.
Gravdigr • Mar 19, 2019 3:16 pm
I'll never see it, then.

Won't use Chrome.
fargon • Mar 19, 2019 3:18 pm
Why not? We've been using it for years with no problems.
Gravdigr • Mar 19, 2019 3:21 pm
There seems to be a lot of ocurrences of this situation:

I can't see the web page unless I'm using Chrome?

That alone earns them the Fuck You Award&#8482;.
Happy Monkey • Mar 19, 2019 10:09 pm
Firefox shows it fine for me.
Clodfobble • Mar 19, 2019 11:22 pm
Wow--look at Vijayanagara just plummet off the map in 1565.

Wars with nearby Muslim Sultanates and Hindu Vijayanagara continued through the 16th century. In 1565, the Vijayanagara leader was captured and beheaded, the city fell to a coalition of Muslim Sultanates. The conquered capital city of Vijayanagara was looted and destroyed, after which it remained in ruins.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 20, 2019 12:42 am
Yes, those a a good way to show changes over time.

How did people meet their spouse?
Internet in the 60's and 70's ?? :confused: ??
Gravdigr • Mar 20, 2019 11:39 am
Wonder if the couples-that-met-online-numbers jibe with a rise in the divorce rate?
Griff • Mar 20, 2019 12:52 pm
Just the opposite actually.
tw • Mar 20, 2019 9:54 pm
What category includes Woodstock, Isle of Wright, SxSW, and the Monterey Pop Music Festival? Or do sex, drugs, and rock & roll not result in marriages?

Curious is a relationship over the decades between college and church.
Gravdigr • Mar 21, 2019 11:53 am
tw;1028727 wrote:
Or do sex, drugs, and rock & roll not result in marriages?


It results in children...
Sperlock • Mar 23, 2019 12:15 pm
I was wondering about the Internet part of the 60s and 70s - the 60s I can't explain, but the 70s could be stretched to include the earliest instances of bulletin board systems.

xoxoxoBruce;1028676 wrote:
Yes, those a a good way to show changes over time.

How did people meet their spouse?
Internet in the 60's and 70's ?? :confused: ??
Undertoad • Mar 23, 2019 12:40 pm
Image

I see the races as equal so I am a black Trump voter*. All you black Clinton voters, white Trump voters, and white Clinton voters are goddamn racists.




*not actually any of those three things
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 23, 2019 2:50 pm
Undertoad;1028884 wrote:
[strike] All you[/strike] black Clinton voters, white Trump voters, and white Clinton voters are goddamn racists.


Fixed that for you, now it's true. They range from blatant all the way to fight bad feelings/try hard to hide them, on to color?.
tw • Mar 24, 2019 12:10 am
Gravdigr;1028757 wrote:
It results in children...
Are they now called Crack babies?
Gravdigr • Mar 24, 2019 1:06 pm
They are called offspring.
sexobon • Mar 24, 2019 2:30 pm
No one expects the offspringqisiti &#8230; oh never mind.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2019 12:10 am
Everybody dies, some have help...
Gravdigr • Mar 25, 2019 12:51 pm
Fuck the rifles...Maybe we ought to be rounding up the bad doctors.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2019 6:36 pm
I thought it was strange to do rifles and not handguns. Take the medical malpractice with a grain of salt, there's plenty of sympathetic juries feeling sorry for people who had a bad outcome that was completely out of the Doctor & Co's hands. Also Insurance Companies looking for the cheapest way out.
Flint • Mar 25, 2019 7:14 pm

[SIZE="2"]The less confidence people have in media and government institutions, the harder it is for information coming from one of these sources to override their partisan judgments. There are very few sources that are seen as politically neutral, and the quality of information is determined by the perceived political alignment of the source.
...
Court rulings are evaluated by whether the deciding judge was appointed by a Republican or a Democrat. Congressional reports are judged by which party controlled the committee that produced them. [/SIZE]

[SIZE="1"]Robert Mueller and the collapse of American trust[/SIZE]
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 26, 2019 1:30 am
Hmm...
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 28, 2019 12:35 am
Them jailbirds is costing me money... better than me costing them money though.
Griff • Mar 28, 2019 7:24 am
462,000 not convicted. We have a bail problem in local jails.
Spexxvet • Mar 28, 2019 8:47 am
http://cellar.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=66887&stc=1&d=1553747717

The graphic does nothing to counter any of those myths
Gravdigr • Mar 28, 2019 11:57 am
xoxoxoBruce;1029212 wrote:
Them jailbirds is costing me money...


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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 28, 2019 12:34 pm
Spexxvet;1029241 wrote:
http://cellar.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=66887&stc=1&d=1553747717

The graphic does nothing to counter any of those myths


The report the graphic comes from does.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 28, 2019 10:49 pm
Tornado :eek:
Griff • Mar 29, 2019 7:36 am
Is God trying to tell the Southern Baptists something? ;)
Gravdigr • Mar 29, 2019 2:52 pm
Griff;1029321 wrote:
Is God trying to tell the Southern Baptists something? ;)


NFC. No way to know what the text says.
Griff • Mar 29, 2019 4:04 pm
Just that tornado warnings are more frequent in Southern Baptist country. Riffing off the televangelists who tie weather events to "bad people."
Flint • Mar 29, 2019 4:21 pm
too big, please smaller it
Griff • Mar 29, 2019 4:25 pm
Okay Mama Bear.
Flint • Mar 29, 2019 4:39 pm
can I speak to your manager?
Griff • Mar 29, 2019 4:46 pm
My manager is much worser.
Flint • Mar 29, 2019 5:05 pm
i'm decides that!
tw • Mar 29, 2019 10:56 pm
Griff;1029321 wrote:
Is God trying to tell the Southern Baptists something?

Why does god consider everyone in Utah an atheist?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 30, 2019 12:36 am
No, I don't.
tw • Mar 30, 2019 10:10 am
You can always tell who the top man is. His name is shortest - three letters - god. When one gets demoted, then the length of his title gets longer - 11 letters.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 3, 2019 1:53 am
Don't make me smite you, pissant.

It's only #2 but Texas still be big...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 4, 2019 12:06 am
Power to the people...
Griff • Apr 4, 2019 7:26 am
PA more backwards looking than SC... checks out.
Spexxvet • Apr 4, 2019 9:19 am
Griff;1029706 wrote:
PA more backwards looking than SC... checks out.


SC has no fossil fuel reserves or production, we have the Marcellus shale. Their forward lookingness is by default, most likely
Undertoad • Apr 4, 2019 10:00 am
Blue states are generally where there are nuclear plants, dams, or where the state imports their electricity. SC has 4 nuke plants, PA has 5. IN is flat and has no nukes. WA has 33 hydroelectric-producing dams. VT imports 40% of its power.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 4, 2019 11:31 am
Yes, PA has 5 nukes and we don't all glow in the dark, imagine that. Who've thought nukes can be safe. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Apr 4, 2019 12:35 pm
3 Mile Island anniversary was just a few days ago...Just sayin'.
Undertoad • Apr 4, 2019 12:46 pm
I know, I was within the 20 mile radius along with all my friends!

I favor nukes 100%, there have long since been new designs which would have prevented the TMI problem.
Gravdigr • Apr 4, 2019 1:12 pm
I got no probs w/nukey energy.
tw • Apr 4, 2019 1:36 pm
Gravdigr;1029735 wrote:
I got no probs w/nukey energy.

Never forget why TMI2 happened. They knew they had a problem at 4 AM. Desperately called corporate saying they needed help. The only guy in corporate who knew anything about nuclear power was on National Guard duty. So management told plant operators that everything was OK. And continued telling the press same for three days.

As things got worse, plant operators could not even place outgoing phone calls. Management would not even ask Bell of PA to provide upgraded service or more phone lines. A solution did not happen until Jimmy Carter (after a request from the PA Governor) connected all phones in TMI directly through the White House switchboard.

Just another example of why we are so damn lucky and the thing that makes nuclear power so dangerous. In this case, 99% of all problems were directly traceable to top management. Top management lies so often that the press ignored everything that GPU top management said.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 4, 2019 4:10 pm
Every time we built a nuke they changed to rules and regulations, so no two were alike and more expensive. In France they settled on a design and built them all the same which was much cheaper.
The Westinghouse Pressurized Water Reactor system was reasonably safe in that the radioactive water transfers the heat in a heat exchanger to the water that became steam and drove the turbines.
GE came out with the cheaper Boiling Water Reactor System where the radioactive steam drove the turbines making the machinery and turbine hall hot. In order to overhaul the turbines, the radioactive parts would be shipped back to GE for machining.

The real problem with the nukes is how to dispose of the spent fuel, but all they have to do is build a wall out of it.;)
Rhianne • Apr 4, 2019 6:04 pm
And it's not just the nuclear stations and the disposal of their waste we have to worry about, hydro-electric stations seem to be causing just about as many and more immediate problems.

Around the globe dams are failing and it turns out that a whole load of them, even in what we call the developed world, were shoddily built and have been even more poorly maintained.
fargon • Apr 4, 2019 7:03 pm
High Rhianne, how goes it?
Griff • Apr 5, 2019 7:35 am
xoxoxoBruce;1029750 wrote:

The real problem with the nukes is how to dispose of the spent fuel, but all they have to do is build a wall out of it.;)


This is the only real issue. A functional government would have settled it long ago.
Rhianne • Apr 5, 2019 12:05 pm
fargon;1029764 wrote:
High Rhianne, how goes it?


Just about hanging together. I hope you are well.
Gravdigr • Apr 5, 2019 12:18 pm
Griff;1029785 wrote:
This is the only real issue. A functional government would have settled it long ago.


Don't they break up the spent fuel rods into bullet-sized pieces and shoot them at brown people in sandy places?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 6, 2019 2:14 am
Don't want to help fuel their nuclear program.;)
tw • Apr 6, 2019 8:48 am
Gravdigr;1029794 wrote:
Don't they break up the spent fuel rods into bullet-sized pieces and shoot them at brown people in sandy places?


Something like 3% of Uranium gets used in those rods. Problem is those rods are still highly radioactive. And now contains Plutonium.

Uranium ore has less than 1% U-235. Depleted Uranium is the byproduct after removing as much U-235 as possible So depleted Uranium is even less radioactive.

MOX fuel is the process of extracting both Uranium and Plutonium. Then combining those materials to create another useful nuclear fuel. It has not been successfully used in the US but is more commonly used in Russia, Japan, and France. It could substantially reduce the amount of spent nuclear uranium rods. But makes Plutonium proliferation (nuclear weapons and 'dirty' bombs) easier.
slang • Apr 9, 2019 4:41 pm
slang;1027753 wrote:
:headbag: :blush:

[MuffledByPaperBag]

Wikipedia, NYT, Wired, Reddit and themillenniumreport.com not credible?

Let me see if I can hack into DoD and look around. This might take some time.

[/MuffledByPaperBag]



Hours of searching strange sites ( other than the above ) and I've found the reference that I was looking for.

It's a book in German with no translation and not available in Kindle.

Another project.

It might be a while before I get to it. Grief councilors are on standby.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 10, 2019 2:22 am
I'm not sure how the derived these numbers, it's as clear as mud but it covers the ground...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 11, 2019 2:08 am
Getting crowded, sea level isn't rising, the weight is making the coast sink.
BigV • Apr 12, 2019 10:15 pm
slang,

what do you mean by grief counselors on standby? if it's none of my business, that's ok too.

???
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 13, 2019 1:28 am
Online spending, a Million dollars a minute. Image
I wonder if that includes subscriptions like Netflix, Spotify, and Porn?
Gravdigr • Apr 13, 2019 2:42 pm
Texts on the internet?
BigV • Apr 13, 2019 3:23 pm
Sure.

I use messages.android.com (now messages.google.com) all the time. I find it convenient to keep my hands on the keyboard and just switch tabs instead of reaching for my phone.
Gravdigr • Apr 14, 2019 12:25 pm
The things you ppl make me learn...





messages.google.com


I'm sure they're not monitoring that at all...
BigV • Apr 14, 2019 4:00 pm
horses for courses...

Some things I say out loud, some things I whisper. Context matters. If I need more privacy, an SMS message is not really the medium of choice. I know some computers are reading my message stream, in email at least, definitely in my browsing and search activity. I behave accordingly.

¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 15, 2019 1:56 am
License plates...
Spexxvet • Apr 15, 2019 8:41 am
BigV;1030362 wrote:
horses for courses...

Some things I say out loud, some things I whisper. Context matters. If I need more privacy, an SMS message is not really the medium of choice. I know some computers are reading my message stream, in email at least, definitely in my browsing and search activity. I behave accordingly.

¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯


Meh. J. Edgar was listening to phone calls way before email/texts were a glint in their daddy's eyes
Flint • Apr 15, 2019 3:28 pm
Hey. I have spotted a person.
BigV • Apr 15, 2019 11:21 pm
you should have gotten your measles vaccination....
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 16, 2019 3:16 am
How the US names our cities and towns...
tw • Apr 16, 2019 9:03 am
BigV;1030464 wrote:
you should have gotten your measles vaccination....

I did. That proves I am autistic. The orthodox religious told me. So it must be true. God would not lie.
Gravdigr • Apr 16, 2019 2:56 pm
You wanna see a populated chart?

Places that are named after other places.
slang • Apr 17, 2019 11:29 am
BigV;1030237 wrote:
slang,
what do you mean by grief counselors on standby? if it's none of my business, that's ok too.


Finding this a bit late. Been hanging out in the Tech section with Bitcoin.

This goes back to my post series in this thread that all this info collected by BIG TECH on us seems a bit creepy to me.

I've seen interviews of crazy types of people providing detail on how these big companies use data to pacify and influence the population for BIG trends that benefit themselves. Steering society in a direction that is not organic, shall we say. Full spectrum info to use as the BIGs see fit. Probably not in our long term interest but is so passive that no one really sees it or understands it's purpose.

So after searching for some type of written material, I found a book on the fringes of the subject. The book is in German, listed in the German Amazon and not on Kindle, making it more difficult for me to get my hands on and read and comment on.

This is an area of interest that not many people are particularly interested in or are the least bit aware of.

So when I say that I'll not be able to get working on that book report project for some time, it doesn't matter much because most normal people aren't the least bit interested.

Grief counselors are on standby is a joke. Joking to the idea that one might actually be emotionally effected by my not being able to follow through with a "more rational" explanation of the dangers of the BIGs.

Now in addition to that German book which speaks directly to the inception of all these BIGs, from DARPA, there are other books that speak to the genesis and design of all these systems. Other options that are not in German and written in a way that the reader can see the subject from a "more rational" perspective. Not full crazy.
BigV • Apr 17, 2019 10:02 pm
Hi slang

Thank you for the follow up. I don't mind not getting the joke, I'm used to it after many decades experience. I appreciate your consideration in explaining it to me.

/clears throat


hahahaha


Good one!


Ok, I feel like I'm part of the ingroup now.

Yay!


Now, back to bizness!
slang • Apr 18, 2019 12:04 am
Many of my jokes are not really funny.

You're welcome, Sir. :)
PhuctIfiNo • Apr 18, 2019 12:07 am
Yesssss. You're jokes suck.

But your sock puppet characters?

Not much better. :blush:
slang • Apr 19, 2019 3:28 am
Image

Americans do not support a cashless world despite the smartest people in the world being in favor of it. But why?

A cashless world takes what little power the people have to bypass the power of banks and big government.

A cashless world will take away choices that one has now. Normal and legal choices. Banks and government will without question create trends through the fake news and questionable laws to make transactions that they don't approve of more expensive at first, then impossible in time.

It's nice to see that it's not just me that sees this.

Japanese are of a similar mindset.
Spexxvet • Apr 19, 2019 9:17 am
96% of my deposits are cards, 2% checks, 2% cash.
slang • Apr 19, 2019 9:34 am
Are you identifying yourself as solidly in the "all for it" or "ok with it" category or challenging the statistic?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 21, 2019 2:46 am
What we name our roads...
tw • Apr 21, 2019 3:43 pm
"Pike" is not commonly found?
BigV • Apr 21, 2019 6:07 pm
Go fish.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 22, 2019 2:33 am
Who's ready to get outta Dodge....
Gravdigr • Apr 24, 2019 10:55 am
Hard to believe that more than 1 outta 5 Kentuckians have a valid passport.

I guess the Louisville area might be driving the average.

I don't know anyone w/a passport.
Flint • Apr 24, 2019 10:09 pm
You guys are the chicken in the pan, right?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 25, 2019 1:17 am
26 states restrict or outright prohibit towns and cities from building their own broadband networks. Guess who wrote that legislation...
Griff • Apr 25, 2019 7:30 am
https://broadbandnow.com/report/municipal-broadband-roadblocks/

Pencil-ducking-tucky leading the way. There's no profit in rural broadband so let's make it illegal for towns to do it.

Just another driver for my counties -.61% growth rate and an average age of 47.8 years.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/pa/susquehanna-county-population/
Undertoad • Apr 25, 2019 10:27 am
Oh this is not about rural broadband. Municipal broadband is putting a light WiFi signal into a dense population. That's rather cheap. But in your case Griff it would be spending million$ at a time to run circuits up hills in order to get signal to a few hundred homes at a time. Your local municipality can't even afford the rights of way.
Diaphone Jim • Apr 25, 2019 12:50 pm
AT&T has actively fought broadband access in mostly rural Northern California for years.
They are among the least consumer friendly companies in the US.
I proudly ended 50 years of their phone service a year or so ago.
And am now being debt-collected for $125 they say was unpaid at the end of that long period of crappy service. My checkbook is not out.
Gravdigr • Apr 25, 2019 1:48 pm
Flint;1031122 wrote:
You guys are the chicken in the pan, right?


I reckon, but I had to go back and look.

I'm no chicken, though. Turkey, maybe.:p:
Gravdigr • Apr 25, 2019 1:50 pm
We got some kind of rural broadband thing. They locate the little dish-type antennae on water towers. You can see a water tower from almost anywhere hereabouts.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 26, 2019 1:26 am
These guys seem to think mass shootings are no big deal. :facepalm:
slang • Apr 26, 2019 4:09 am
Please excuse me Bruce for hijacking back to the previous subject of rural internet.

Undertoad,

I saw this after reading your post from above. About the expense of hard wired land lines for broadband in rural areas.

There are no costs shown in the article but it seems as though it might be expandable enough and have a service life long enough to make high speed internet profitable in extremely remote areas.

Then again, it's not my area of expertise. You may have seen this type of tech before?

"the aircraft could be used to broadcast 5G coverage to remote areas, claiming the aircraft is a low-cost solution to launching expensive Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellites."
Griff • Apr 26, 2019 7:30 am
Undertoad;1031170 wrote:
Your local municipality can't even afford the rights of way.


At least this part is no longer true.

Tri-County Rural Electric Inc. is the first rural electric cooperative in Pennsylvania to commit to providing broadband services to its members. The incentive program was essential to ensuring they could provide this critical service in rural Pennsylvania.

"Pennsylvania's electric cooperatives have a long tradition of serving rural needs," said Frank Betley, President & CEO of the Pennsylvania Rural Electric Association. "This opportunity to partner with the commonwealth on expanding broadband access is a welcome development in continuing that tradition. It serves as a further demonstration of the commitment our electric cooperatives have in improving the quality of life in rural Pennsylvania."


https://www.penndot.gov/pages/all-news-details.aspx?newsid=534

This is happening to my West.
Undertoad • Apr 26, 2019 9:14 am
Boy I don't understand that release. Why is this a PennDOT program?
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 26, 2019 11:09 am
slang;1031226 wrote:
Please excuse me Bruce for hijacking back to the previous subject of rural internet.

No problem there.

Undertoad;1031230 wrote:
Boy I don't understand that release. Why is this a PennDOT program?

"PennDOT's funding will help support this effort as well as expedite internet service to many of our offices, field locations and connect critical traffic devices, cameras and message signs to our Statewide Traffic Control Center in Harrisburg."

Guess that's why they're involved. :confused:
Undertoad • Apr 26, 2019 2:09 pm
Sounds like if they can put a bunch of money into running fiber to put a traffic camera on route 220 (olde tyme slang country IIRC), they can also afford to run fiber to the houses that are near it as well.
slang • Apr 26, 2019 3:51 pm
Ah yes. My old concrete pal. The rural Pa speedway. 220.

They had Roadrunner in the valley in 2000. Not sure what the boundary was but it was great at the time.

Cable internet through coax. $100 a month but you could download a small boat in less than 20 seconds.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2019 12:12 am
Quick reliable communications are critical when it's time to round up the troublemakers for the secret NSA camps. :unsure:
Besides it will save time and trouble if providing broadband will cause dissidents to Netflix and CHILL.
slang • Apr 27, 2019 6:52 am
Yes, I thought about that too, Bruce.

I've been told there is broadband at the camps but only for those who surrender peacefully.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2019 2:38 pm
Probably be too tired from the long shifts underground, and short rations, to care much about entertainment... except the sex they earn with good doobie points. :yesnod:
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 27, 2019 11:28 pm
Dastardly Robocalls...
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 28, 2019 1:37 pm
From the 1980 census...
xoxoxoBruce • May 1, 2019 3:47 am
Inflation isn't equal...
tw • May 1, 2019 9:29 am
Industries that want to make profits (especially enrich top management) are curves above the wage curve. Industries that want to make better products (innovate) are curves below the wage curve.
Undertoad • May 1, 2019 9:40 am
This Slate Star Codex article teases out why Insulin is expensive.

First comment notes that fancy insulin for pumps is expensive, regular ol' shoot-yourself-in-the-thigh insulin is dirt cheap. I don't know how true that is?
Clodfobble • May 1, 2019 2:19 pm
It is partially true. (My friend's child is diabetic.) 1.) You still have to find a source for the shoot-yourself-in-the-thigh insulin, which is harder than it used to be, 2.) shoot-yourself-in-the-thigh is genuinely inferior to pump insulin as far as blood sugar regulation, and it's also not something you can just switch back and forth between when you're a little short on cash, and 3.) the cost of pump insulin by itself has still skyrocketed unreasonably, independent of the price of thigh insulin or how many people are using which one.
Clodfobble • May 1, 2019 2:26 pm
Personally, insulin's gotten so much attention recently--and has enough old white patients taking it--that I bet the situation gets fixed sooner rather than later. The Buspirone saga at the front end of the article is less eye-catching, and thus more concerning, to me.
Undertoad • May 5, 2019 10:44 am
As both sides become extreme

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xoxoxoBruce • May 7, 2019 1:32 am
Corn is King...
xoxoxoBruce • May 8, 2019 1:53 am
Manly men vote Red...
slang • May 8, 2019 4:04 am
Interesting. Something to think about.
xoxoxoBruce • May 8, 2019 10:23 am
Yeah, buy guns 'cause them brown bitches be squirtin' out little socialists by the litter. :rolleyes:
tw • May 8, 2019 10:36 am
xoxoxoBruce;1032028 wrote:
Yeah, buy guns 'cause them brown bitches be squirtin' out little socialists by the litter.

You would not (safely) say that anywhere else (except maybe in a Charlotte hate rally approved of by Trump).
slang • May 8, 2019 5:04 pm
Interesting. Something to think about.
xoxoxoBruce • May 18, 2019 12:53 am
People using unamurican language at home...
glatt • May 18, 2019 7:44 am
Very interesting. I wonder what the "other" is in all those counties by Cape Cod? I'm thinking maybe Italian, but those migrants came over so many generations ago I would think they are all assimilated by now.
Griff • May 18, 2019 8:04 am
I'd guess Portuguese in any maritime area.
sexobon • May 18, 2019 9:13 am
Yep,

I used an interactive map of Massachusetts to pick a city (Brockton) in that area; then, entered that into a language map data center. The answer appears to be Portuguese.

English &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.62,740 &#8230;.72.31%
Portuguese.....6,540...&#8230;.7.54%
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Italian.........&#8230;...585...&#8230;0.67%
xoxoxoBruce • May 18, 2019 10:54 am
Cape Cod has always been loaded with Portuguese descendants (fishermen), and natives of Cape Verde Islands but I don't know what there native tongue is.

OK, the language is Cape Verdean Creole, with Portuguese being the common 2nd language.
xoxoxoBruce • May 19, 2019 1:51 am
Where Google gets their information...
Undertoad • May 19, 2019 10:32 am
Image

NY Times story today, on how taxi medallion lenders screwed the drivers so royally, they have been committing suicide, because they are on the hook for million-dollar loans.

This was a market kept artificially expensive via the government ensuring medallions would be limited, a practice that screwed everybody in the short and long run... and when demand fell, the whole bubble collapsed, similar to the housing bubble.
tw • May 20, 2019 10:21 am
Another perfect example of corruption when the purpose of a business is profits - not the product. Medallion brokers only did what is taught and encouraged in business schools.

Honest businessmen always make sure their counter-party is also prospering. That is the purpose of every business transaction. Both parties prosper. Business school graduates (ie Trump) and their disciples must deny this.
slang • May 20, 2019 1:23 pm
And what about bean counters? :D

How do they fit into the problem?
xoxoxoBruce • May 20, 2019 2:54 pm
The bean counters only predict or tally results, and report back to the people calling the shots.
Private equity has dismantled more businesses, put more people out of work, than any other threat.

The population is ageing and they are the mean bastards who survived so watch out.
tw • May 20, 2019 10:35 pm
slang;1032810 wrote:
And what about bean counters? :D

Too many beans remain to count. Because Trump has subverted exports. Just another example of a business school graduate screwing everything up for self-serving reasons.
Gravdigr • May 21, 2019 11:04 am
tw;1032801 wrote:
Another perfect example of corruption when the purpose of a business is profits - not the product. Medallion brokers only did what is taught and encouraged in business schools.

Honest businessmen always make sure their counter-party is also prospering. That is the purpose of every business transaction. Both parties prosper. Business school graduates (ie Trump) and their disciples must deny this.


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xoxoxoBruce • May 24, 2019 12:31 am
Base-a-ball been berry berry good to me... but this makes boring games.
Griff • May 24, 2019 6:24 am
The three true outcomes strike out, walk, or homerun game that has developed is boring as hell. It was really bad for the Yankees because their hitting instructors are over selling launch angle. Fortunately everyone got hurt so they have a better mix of batting styles.
tw • May 24, 2019 9:07 pm
Griff;1032981 wrote:
... so they have a better mix of batting styles.

How does that explain the increase in strike outs?
Griff • May 25, 2019 6:23 am
They are looking to drive the ball out of the park rather than put it in play. Apparently statistics favor this approach but it’s a crushingly boring style of play.
fargon • May 25, 2019 7:54 am
We went to a Brewers game a couple of years ago, and every point was scored by a Homerun. That park is so small it seemed like they couldn't help but hit a Homerun.
Diaphone Jim • May 25, 2019 12:09 pm
"12 per team per game" or 8.5?

Seems like hits have been amazingly consistent for 100 years.
xoxoxoBruce • May 25, 2019 2:22 pm
The vertical(left hand) scale goes from 0 to 12 per team per game.
Diaphone Jim • May 25, 2019 6:37 pm
:o
xoxoxoBruce • May 26, 2019 12:40 am
Hey, don't feel bad, you don't know how long it took me to understand it before I could post it. :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • May 30, 2019 12:56 am
It appears Doctors and nurses are doing better than many. I wonder if the nurses increase is partially due to nurse practitioners? I have noticed doctor visits are taken up with more nurse time than previously.
tw • May 30, 2019 11:47 am
My dentist folded her practice and took over her husband's recycling business. Income was larger in recycling trash.
Clodfobble • May 30, 2019 2:38 pm
A map of the U.S. with city names replaced by that city's most Wikipedia'd resident:

https://pudding.cool/2019/05/people-map/

(Zooming in is tough on a non-mobile device, I managed to make my laptop touch pad work but I don't know if it's even possible with a mouse.)
fargon • May 30, 2019 3:57 pm
I learned that Ruth Buzzi is the most Wikipedia searched person in Stephenville Tx.
glatt • May 30, 2019 6:09 pm
That's a fun site.
sexobon • May 30, 2019 7:25 pm
Clodfobble;1033253 wrote:
&#8230; (Zooming in is tough on a non-mobile device, I managed to make my laptop touch pad work but I don't know if it's even possible with a mouse.)


My HP Notebook running WIN10 zoomed well with it's wireless mouse.

ETA: HA! Poking around noticing who came from where I found that Harrison Ford and Hillary Clinton went to the same high school. She started the year after he graduated. I didn't know that.
Diaphone Jim • May 31, 2019 12:24 pm
Wouldn't open in IE, but worked well in Chrome.
xoxoxoBruce • May 31, 2019 12:28 pm
Yes, Chrome does it ok.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 3, 2019 9:54 pm
Repeat after me, correlation is not causation.
Happy Monkey • Jun 4, 2019 1:15 pm
Did they make DC gigantic so it would show up on the map?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 5, 2019 12:58 am
Same reason DE takes up the whole dong.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 7, 2019 1:42 am
Vacations...

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Clodfobble • Jun 7, 2019 10:41 am
Even without a statutory minimum, though, has anyone ever known an American with a full-time salaried job who didn't get any vacation from their employer?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 7, 2019 11:17 am
There's a lot of people without full time salaried jobs. I've known full time hourly people who got unpaid vacation time. In this Gig Economy I keep reading about it would not happen. But even people who get time off are not taking all of it.

Google comes up with 1,480,000,000 answers to, "why are people not taking vacation time?"
Fear of returning to a mountain of work (40%)
The belief that nobody else can do the job (35%)
Inability to afford taking time off (33%)
Fear of being seen as replaceable (22%)
To show greater dedication to the company and the job (28%)

A remarkable 23 percent of Americans have no paid vacations and no paid holidays. 10 is the magic number. The average American worker receives 10 days of paid vacation per year. European countries, by contrast, mandate that employers offer at least 20 days a year.

Did you know that over 55% of Americans did not use all their vacation time last year? According to Project: Time Off, that’s 658 million vacation days left unused. And 222 million days of those vacation days will not roll over to the next year, be paid out or be saved in any other way, which means almost one third of those vacation days are truly lost.
glatt • Jun 7, 2019 12:43 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1033673 wrote:
even people who get time off are not taking all of it.


:sniff: I know.
Clodfobble • Jun 7, 2019 10:20 pm
I just went looking at those European vacation laws in greater detail, thinking that hourly part-time folks didn't actually get those benefits--but they do! After working part time for just one month, employees in the UK and Germany start accruing paid vacation days. That's almost unbelievable.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 8, 2019 1:05 am
People are moving less and not as far...

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Maybe the ones who want to can't afford it.

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And the ones who can afford it don't want to.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 17, 2019 1:29 am
Pain...
Happy Monkey • Jun 17, 2019 11:35 am
[YOUTUBE]tXjHb5QmDV0[/YOUTUBE]
Gravdigr • Jun 17, 2019 1:26 pm
Yeah, fuck that shit.

Sideways, w/a dead dingo's dick.
glatt • Jun 17, 2019 1:42 pm
Well, he got me to watch his video. So I guess it was worth it?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 18, 2019 2:10 am
20 minutes to get stung? Ain't nobody got time for that.
Gravdigr • Jun 18, 2019 10:56 am
The best part of that vid HAS to be the first 45 seconds. Dude's acting @ sec 1 like he's already been stung. He's breathless, nervous, looks like he's got the vapors.

And then they cut to the placement of the ant, and then the sting.

Great audio.

And I stand by my opinion as stated in post #2439.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 21, 2019 1:19 am
This was put online by Bill Gates to show we don't know what we think we know. People die every day but not from what we think.
tw • Jun 21, 2019 10:08 pm
News is never about what we already know. How often does the news report that the orbit of Earth has not changed?

News can only report known changes. Most people who die even must have their estate pay for the obituary. Otherwise the media often does not report it. Just another same old - same old. Not newsworthy.

We can sing about "Here comes the Sun". But that past event is not newsworthy even where rain was happening every three days.
Gravdigr • Jun 25, 2019 2:44 pm
tw;1034539 wrote:
News is never about what we already know.


That's why it's called [SIZE="5"]NEWS!!![/SIZE]

:smack:

There is no way he functions in daily life. No. Way.:headshake
tw • Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am
Gravdigr;1034710 wrote:
That's why it's called [SIZE="5"]NEWS!!![/SIZE]

Why do you waste bandwidth repeating what was already stated?
Gravdigr • Jun 26, 2019 1:29 pm
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tw • Jun 26, 2019 1:31 pm
Classic example of a adult is will always be a child. Apparently a Trump supporter.
Gravdigr • Jun 26, 2019 1:33 pm
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Happy Monkey • Jun 26, 2019 5:31 pm
Tw's right, you know. You did just repeat what he said.
glatt • Jun 26, 2019 7:59 pm
And a lot more succinctly.

One sentence, not three paragraphs.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 27, 2019 1:21 am
Who trusts science/scientists...

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tw • Jun 27, 2019 11:09 am
glatt;1034783 wrote:
One sentence, not three paragraphs.

One sentence is everything an extremist needs to be informed. Anything that does not also say why is best called a lie. One sentence only says what the central committee of the communist part has ordered us all to believe. And it works, for example, on people who automatically knew Saddam had WMDs. Because one sentence said so.

Extremist love everything explained in a sentence. Then they need not learn how to think. Easier is to wait to be ordered what to believe. Just another reason why moderates are the patriots. And why extremists admire Trump. Another paragraph that provides the always required reasons why - that succinct intentionally ignores.

Same extremists also knew communists were in the State Department and US Army. Succinct reasoning proved it. But this is also too long - too hard - for extremists to comprehend. So an extremist will only post insults. Following the example of their idol - The Don.

No wonder The Don is so popular. 140 characters is everything an extremist needs to know to be an expert.
Gravdigr • Jun 27, 2019 1:14 pm
Happy Monkey;1034778 wrote:
Tw's right, you know. You did just repeat what he said.


Nope.

I stand by my post.
Gravdigr • Jun 27, 2019 1:18 pm
tw;1034757 wrote:
Classic example of a adult is will always be a child. Apparently a Trump supporter.


If you are not bat shit insane, explain how you get me as a Trump supporter. Please.

I've asked you this before, and you refused to address this comment at all.

If it's not your babbling the same absolute repetition in the hopes that one day you'll be right that forever comes in the form of your posts, please tell me how you get there.
tw • Jun 27, 2019 8:45 pm
Gravdigr;1034801 wrote:
If you are not bat shit insane, explain how you get me as a Trump supporter. Please.


You are emotional. Your proof is by insulting others. You do not reply logically to a topic. You are divisive. A classic Trump supporter.

And you are not alone. This nastiness, encourages by The Don, has increased significantly. Even racism has increased in the past three years. A recent UT post with numbers, noted is the significant increase in extremists. So you are not alone; you demonstrate a trend that, Hitler, Milosevic, Pol Pot, Hutus, etc also needed to become popular.

An honest man is civil. Do you think you can change?
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 28, 2019 1:57 am
We cool...
tw • Jun 28, 2019 11:00 am
xoxoxoBruce;1034830 wrote:
We cool...

Just wondering how those numbers for the EU changed this month? One part of France reported 44 degrees (111 degrees F). (Seems wrong.)
Clodfobble • Jun 28, 2019 12:19 pm
111.7 degrees Fahrenheit, to be precise, and they're expecting the record to get beaten again today.
Gravdigr • Jun 28, 2019 12:27 pm
What's worse is that they would surrender, but they don't know to whom to surrender.

Ba-dum tish.[francejoke]
Happy Monkey • Jun 28, 2019 2:33 pm
Gravdigr;1034800 wrote:
Nope.

I stand by my post.

And tw's post, since you said the same thing.
Clodfobble • Jun 28, 2019 2:53 pm
France update: 114.6 degrees Fahrenheit today!
Carruthers • Jun 28, 2019 5:13 pm
Here, about 40 miles north of London, we're expected to be on the northern edge of the hot weather tomorrow.

The forecast is for 33C/91.4F which is almost temperate compared to what they're suffering in France but I'll find it tough going and I just hope that Dad manages to put up with it.

Watch and pray!
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 28, 2019 5:32 pm
Beating up France...
Griff • Jun 29, 2019 8:42 am
what... the... hell
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 29, 2019 9:28 am
Looks to me like it's not blacktop but old fashioned oil and stone. It melted and stuck to passing tires which rip it up.
Griff • Jun 29, 2019 9:38 am
Yeah, I had an oil and stone surface melt while road riding (bicycle) years ago. The stones actually ground part way through my chainstays. I suspect this was never a great surface for motor bikes.
Gravdigr • Jun 29, 2019 1:00 pm
Happy Monkey;1034862 wrote:
And tw's post, since you said the same thing.


Nope.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 30, 2019 7:57 am
Don't lose your wallet...
sexobon • Jun 30, 2019 11:02 am
What's with Mexico?

Don't let Trump find out about this.
tw • Jun 30, 2019 11:44 am
sexobon;1034961 wrote:
What's with Mexico?

The study noted that a wallet with about $100 was more likely to be returned with the money than one with only $10 or $20. Another example of how common sense is contradicted by reality.

It could be that $10 in Mexico is considered more like $100. But that is only speculation based upon another part of that study that was not included here.
sexobon • Jun 30, 2019 11:58 am
Don't keep your money in your wallet while in Mexico and your chances of getting a lost wallet back are better (the opposite of most other countries).

It seems that Mexicans take "finders-keepers, losers-weepers" to an unrivaled level when it comes to money.
tw • Jun 30, 2019 1:02 pm
sexobon;1034963 wrote:
Don't keep your money in your wallet while in Mexico and your chances of getting a lost wallet back are better

Or leave $100 in the wallet to increase it being returned in all countries.

Mexico numbers may be an outlier. I do remember something in that survey about sampling in some countries may not have been random enough. But in every nation, a larger cash amount meant a wallet was more likely to be returned. That (and not a nation's honesty) was the objective of that study.
sexobon • Jun 30, 2019 2:21 pm
Many tangent discoveries are made by researchers looking into something else.

I'll keep my money in a money belt when in Mexico (or any other country) rather than put more money in my wallet.
tw • Jun 30, 2019 5:44 pm
sexobon;1034966 wrote:
I'll keep my money in a money belt when in Mexico (or any other country) rather than put more money in my wallet.

I cannot remember some details. But recollection is that the wallet with a $100 bill was returned mostly 40% to 60% of the time. Yes, a wallet with a $100 bill is returned more often. But not good enough.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 3, 2019 2:01 am
If you ban plastic grocery bags, the people who used them to dispose of garbage and pick up pet poop will but small plastic bags that are heavier and harder to dispose of.
Gravdigr • Jul 3, 2019 2:18 pm
Kinda makes sense.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2019 1:26 am
The wind blows...
Gravdigr • Jul 11, 2019 5:18 am
xoxoxoBruce;1035429 wrote:
The wind blows...


Really?

What does she charge?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 14, 2019 7:22 pm
Where are they from...
Diaphone Jim • Jul 15, 2019 7:35 pm
Borgs come from Sicily?
tw • Jul 16, 2019 1:15 am
Diaphone Jim;1035719 wrote:
Borgs come from Sicily?

Assimilated. Sicily. I finally get the joke.

Vulcanized tires. Does that explain Spock's rubber ears?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 16, 2019 2:25 am
War! What is it good for?
Contractor's profits.
Peterdowe • Jul 16, 2019 12:40 pm
"Really?

What does she charge?"


Lol! Not much, I hope. :D
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 17, 2019 12:39 am
Ups and down of the music business...
Undertoad • Jul 17, 2019 9:57 am
(These are US numbers only.)

The 2018 numbers from RIAA are: revenue up 10%, to nearly $10B, streaming now represents 75% of it.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 19, 2019 12:14 am
Comparing the 2000 census with the 2010 census I'm puzzled. I expected the percentage of white people to go down but I'm shocked at a 15 million drop in the total. The "some other race" drop must have been changed questions on the form. Adding the % of total population in the right column I get 112.4%.
Denmark be very smelly. Maybe a gerrymandering worksheet.
Undertoad • Jul 22, 2019 6:10 pm
Check out this graph of stuff getting better.

Image
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 23, 2019 1:04 am
I guess $1.90 a day goes further in some places. :facepalm:
Diaphone Jim • Jul 23, 2019 12:46 pm
It is actually what one US dollar buys in the US.
What can you buy for $1?
A quart of gasoline.
A pint of milk.
A quarter of a Big Mac.
A half a newspaper.

Select one for all your day's needs.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2019 12:32 am
Somebody made a map showing the most recurring word in each country's WIKI profile.
Peterdowe • Jul 24, 2019 3:25 pm
"It is actually what one US dollar buys in the US.
What can you buy for $1?
A quart of gasoline.
A pint of milk.
A quarter of a Big Mac.
A half a newspaper.

Select one for all your day's needs."


Interesting thought as well.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 4, 2019 12:19 am
Font(barely) made of Gerrymandered Congressional districts...
BigV • Aug 4, 2019 12:56 am
I saw that..

Was slightly disappointed (in the typographers) that a few of the "letters" required multiple districts.
Griff • Aug 4, 2019 9:05 am
Hopefully we can make it even harder for them next time.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 8, 2019 12:20 am
Video stores, Redbox has half the market left...
glatt • Aug 8, 2019 1:55 pm
Redbox is pretty good. Small selection, but you order what you want and they hold it for you.
Peterdowe • Aug 8, 2019 4:09 pm
Alas, another chart that brings nostalgia.
tw • Aug 8, 2019 5:12 pm
Peterdowe;1036661 wrote:
Alas, another chart that brings nostalgia.

An example of how innovation works. That Redbox does what once required a giant store and many humans. Even Netflix innovated, moved on, and therefore survives profitably.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 10, 2019 2:22 am
Hard to believe with all the wet weather this year but most of it comes in deluges that run off...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 13, 2019 2:25 am
This says for 2019 but may be premature unless it's really the results from 2018.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2019 12:31 am
lots-a-lakes...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 22, 2019 1:26 am
Give wisely...
Griff • Aug 22, 2019 7:27 am
like
fargon • Aug 22, 2019 7:43 am
Goodwill takes all of our old stuff, and sells us more stuff. The Goodwill stores around hire Special needs employees, and trains people to get and keep jobs. I don't consider Goodwill a charity.
glatt • Aug 22, 2019 8:25 am
I looked into that Goodwill number when my aunt posted something similar to FB, and it's totally wrong.

Goodwill stores are run indepently by their community level org and each one has different numbers. There is no CEO. It's complicated. I find they are an awesome place to get rid of stuff, and also shop for specific items for pennies on the dollar.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 22, 2019 2:07 pm
This article says...

And what about the president and CEO of Goodwill Industries International, whose name is not Mark Curran, but Jim Gibbons—is he a billionaire, as one of our readers alleged?

While there’s no easy way to confirm Gibbons’s exact net worth, the organization does report his annual salary. Based on those reports, Gibbons has earned more than $700,000 a year since taking the job in 2008.


I pointed out to the person who sent me that chart that Goodwill also does training and gives work experience to otherwise unemployable folks. They also make it easier to offload usable stuff you don't want to trash than anyone else. They'll take anything except TVs and atomic weapons.
henry quirk • Aug 22, 2019 2:42 pm
https://1stamender.com/images/articlepictures/MinarchismandClassicalLiberalismNiseb.png
henry quirk • Aug 22, 2019 2:45 pm
https://1stamender.com/article.php?articlenumber=1450
Flint • Aug 22, 2019 2:59 pm
Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
Griff • Aug 22, 2019 8:02 pm
Thomas Paine (a founding father) -" Men did not make the earth... It is the value of the improvements only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property. ... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds."

Can I use this appeal to authority to knock down your appeal to authority?
henry quirk • Aug 22, 2019 9:07 pm
Is this...

"Can I use this appeal to authority to knock down your appeal to authority?"

...directed at me?

If so: I've made no appeal to authority.

As for Paine: he's entitied to his opinion. I don't agree with it.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 23, 2019 12:23 am
But I don't want to go back to horses, been there done that, so roads is a must.
Ike agreed, roads with a 14 ft overhead clearance, later revised to 16 ft.

Fire protection is a real good idea, nice to have your house saved when your neighbor's burns down.

Unemployment insurance saved my ass once, that was welcome. Over the years I paid more in than I got out, but I'm OK with that.

Social Security? If we get rid of that a lot of old people would die and the roads less crowded.

Universal healthcare would bring the costs way down without beating up the doctors and nurses who actually take care of us. The health insurance companies would be the losers, but serves them right for driving the price up. The same thing is happening with pet health insurance, they're driving the costs up so less people will take a chance on not having it on Fido and Pussy.

Limited room & board? I don't want to see people dying or even fainting in the streets, holds up traffic you know.

Free college? I don't like it, in that it tells people every kid must go to college to get a job. That's a bad thing, because as soon as they graduate they expect a 9 to 5 office job. Not enough of those to go around, and what good is that 4 year diploma when you have no skill? Who's going to do all the jobs that take skill? It amounts to four more years of fucking off before you have to get on with growing up.

Room and board for all, good grief, that has never worked anywhere unless you're royalty. Peel me a grape. :haha:

edit : Shouldn't that be servitute, not serveitute?
Undertoad • Aug 23, 2019 1:01 am
The founding fathers lived in a time of scarcity. This is an entirely different era, 15 generations past. Back then there was no retirement, the average life span was 40. There was very little healthcare.

We should ask the founding fathers what their government should manage if they were all rich beyond their wildest imaginations.
henry quirk • Aug 23, 2019 10:06 am
"But I don't want to go back to horses, been there done that, so roads is a must."

We have an extensive road network. You think all that disappears cuz a town, a city, a region, a state, a nation goes minarchistic?

#

"Fire protection is a real good idea, nice to have your house saved when your neighbor's burns down."

Sure, but does it have to be provided by gov?

#

"Unemployment insurance saved my ass once, that was welcome. Over the years I paid more in than I got out, but I'm OK with that."

Why can't UI be private?

#

"Social Security? If we get rid of that a lot of old people would die and the roads less crowded."

Oh, gettin' rid of it now would be a royal pain. it's part of the weave of things. If such a thing had never been introduced, folks woulda never have come to rely on it. First step: lettin' folks opt out of it. SS is makin' with the death rattle already. An opt out would cover the current crop of recipients while telegraphin' to would-be recipients SS has a finite shelf life.

#

"Universal healthcare would bring the costs way down without beating up the doctors and nurses who actually take care of us. The health insurance companies would be the losers, but serves them right for driving the price up. The same thing is happening with pet health insurance, they're driving the costs up so less people will take a chance on not having it on Fido and Pussy."

Insurance shouldn't be mandatory for anything. Costs should be dynamic, determined by that old austrian debbil 'supply & demand'. And: it's not 'health care', it's medical care; it's service like any other, not a 'right'.

I've been uninsured since the ACA was laid down and I've had 'issues'. I shopped around and pinched my pennies like I do buyin' anything.

#

"Limited room & board? I don't want to see people dying or even fainting in the streets, holds up traffic you know."

Get thee to a charity, Bruce.

#

"Free college? I don't like it"

Sumthin' we agree on.

#

"Room and board for all, good grief, that has never worked anywhere unless you're royalty. Peel me a grape. :haha:"

Agreed. Down on your luck? Associated Catholic Charities can help. They won't prosthelytize (too much).

#

"Shouldn't that be servitute, not serveitute?"

Take it up with Cato (or Brutus).
henry quirk • Aug 23, 2019 10:10 am
"We should ask the founding fathers what their government should manage if they were all rich beyond their wildest imaginations."

Some would go 'big & bold', others would opt for 'small & restrained'.

Let's consult a medium and find out.
Undertoad • Aug 23, 2019 10:33 am
As a thought experiment, which founding father would deny education to a nation so rich it only takes a small fraction of its wealth to educate every single citizen?

It seems pretty obvious to me that it would always be more expensive to try to address the problems that result from a lack of education/basic socialization. Whether you try to address those problems via government, or not.

As another thought experiment, which nation has succeeded globally without it?

We're in a new world, now, man.
henry quirk • Aug 23, 2019 11:01 am
...education provided for and overseen locally...

...or...

...education provided for and overseen non-locally?


...education standards set by a community...

...or...

...education standards set in the state house?


...teachers who teach kids...

...or...

...teachers who teach how to pass mandated 'tests'?
henry quirk • Aug 23, 2019 11:06 am
and: i didn't post the venns to make it about the 'fathers' (who weren't minarchists or classic liberals). i posted the venns (two of 'em) to show the spectrum of things gov-wise.

if i'd known there'd be a fixatin' on the 'fathers' i'd have left the second venn out.

live & learn.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 24, 2019 3:14 am
henry quirk;1037359 wrote:
"But I don't want to go back to horses, been there done that, so roads is a must."

We have an extensive road network. You think all that disappears cuz a town, a city, a region, a state, a nation goes minarchistic?
Yes, I've seen roads in PA and NJ deteriorate in 3 months so they weren't passable at more than 25 mph.


"Fire protection is a real good idea, nice to have your house saved when your neighbor's burns down."

Sure, but does it have to be provided by gov?

Who's going to do it? I grew up with a town volunteer Fire Department who put out many grass fires around houses that burned down. It structure fires seconds count is not just a slogan. The fire department usually has an ambulance with full time EMTs. Much faster than Uber to the hospital.



"Unemployment insurance saved my ass once, that was welcome. Over the years I paid more in than I got out, but I'm OK with that."

Why can't UI be private?

Because it becomes too fucking expensive when only a few are in it, without adding the profit margin. You know, that little item every business needs to continue.


"Social Security? If we get rid of that a lot of old people would die and the roads less crowded."

Oh, gettin' rid of it now would be a royal pain. it's part of the weave of things. If such a thing had never been introduced, folks woulda never have come to rely on it. First step: lettin' folks opt out of it. SS is makin' with the death rattle already. An opt out would cover the current crop of recipients while telegraphin' to would-be recipients SS has a finite shelf life.

Right, they wouldn't come to rely on it, they'd just die like they used to.


"Universal healthcare would bring the costs way down without beating up the doctors and nurses who actually take care of us. The health insurance companies would be the losers, but serves them right for driving the price up. The same thing is happening with pet health insurance, they're driving the costs up so less people will take a chance on not having it on Fido and Pussy."

Insurance shouldn't be mandatory for anything. Costs should be dynamic, determined by that old austrian debbil 'supply & demand'. And: it's not 'health care', it's medical care; it's service like any other, not a 'right'.

I've been uninsured since the ACA was laid down and I've had 'issues'. I shopped around and pinched my pennies like I do buyin' anything.
Fine when you boy is running 106 fever send out for bids.


"Limited room & board? I don't want to see people dying or even fainting in the streets, holds up traffic you know."

Get thee to a charity, Bruce.

I don't need a charity but where do these people who do find one? thousands of people on the streets because they've no place to go. I'm not even counting the ones who prefer the street to shelters because it's safer.



"Free college? I don't like it"

Sumthin' we agree on.

I'll bet for different reasons.



"Room and board for all, good grief, that has never worked anywhere unless you're royalty. Peel me a grape. :haha:"

Agreed. Down on your luck? Associated Catholic Charities can help. They won't prosthelytize (too much).

OK, I googled Associated Catholic Charities. It gives me Baltimore and NYC as a footnote.
Sure is a passel of folks not close to those spots.


"Shouldn't that be servitute, not serveitute?"

Take it up with Cato (or Brutus).

Cato or Brutus didn't write it, you did. That's why I asked you.
The internet says you're wrong but that's OK, you are used to being wrong.
henry quirk • Aug 24, 2019 7:22 pm
"I've seen roads in PA and NJ deteriorate in 3 months so they weren't passable at more than 25 mph."

Here in S Louisiana the roads are terrible: terrible with gov oversight.

I'm thinkin' folks might do a better job of it w/out incompetent pols & greedy contracters.

#

"grew up with a town volunteer Fire Department who put out many grass fires around houses that burned down."

Made my point for me: thanks.

#

"The fire department usually has an ambulance with full time EMTs

Here, we got Acadian Ambulance. Privately owned. We seem to get along just fine w/out the gov in this area.

#

"Because it becomes too fucking expensive when only a few are in it"

Again: you make my point. If folks, in large numbers want sumthin' (like unimployment ins) then the market (other folks) will provide. If so few folks actually want it that it has to be mandated, by technocrats with lent power, to 'be', well: you get my drift.

#

"Right, they wouldn't come to rely on it, they'd just die like they used to."

Think it through: if you know your golden years are all on you then, mebbe, you make an effort to provide for those golden years when you're younger, you know, the way lots of folks do 'now' even with SS existin'.

#

"Fine when you boy is running 106 fever send out for bids."

Think it through: I've already done my homework. When he had an 'issue' I took him where the treatment was available and the reasonable, and 'I' paid the bill, not taxpayers.

#

"I don't need a charity but where do these people who do find one?"

On-line, phone book, a church, city hall, etc.

A tiny bit of effort renders great reward.

Oh, wait, you expect the charity to consult a crystal ball and go to the needy, yeah?

#

"thousands of people on the streets because they've no place to go."

Where & why are there 'thousands' on the streets with no place to go?

#

"I'm not even counting the ones who prefer the street to shelters because it's safer."

Where are these unsafe shelters?

#

"I'll bet for different reasons."

No doubt.

#

"OK, I googled Associated Catholic Charities. It gives me Baltimore and NYC as a footnote."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities

And that link doesn't even begin to cover all the locations.

#

"Cato or Brutus didn't write it, you did."

No, I didn't: https://books.google.com/books?id=t3iArO7lFPcC&pg=PT12&lpg=PT12&dq=Nisi+forte+non+de+serveitute,+sed+de+conditione+serviendi,+recusandum+est+a+nobis.&source=bl&ots=9aZiID6PIo&sig=ACfU3U0-oFzKvg5bm7NNFgQqOEFV0Llwcw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5oYiu0JzkAhVQPK0KHUgeCPEQ6AEwAHoECAsQAQ#v=onepage&q=Nisi%20forte%20non%20de%20serveitute%2C%20sed%20de%20conditione%20serviendi%2C%20recusandum%20est%20a%20nobis.&f=false

http://lf-oll.s3.amazonaws.com/titles/1237/Trenchard_0226-01_EBk_v6.0.pdf

#

"The internet says you're wrong"

No, it doesn't.

#

"you are used to being wrong."

Please, expose my errors, list 'em, shame me.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 25, 2019 2:53 am
henry quirk;1037481 wrote:
"I've seen roads in PA and NJ deteriorate in 3 months so they weren't passable at more than 25 mph."

Here in S Louisiana the roads are terrible: terrible with gov oversight.

I'm thinkin' folks might do a better job of it w/out incompetent pols & greedy contracters.

Who? Who's going to fix the roads? Who's going to buy the equipment and materials?


"grew up with a town volunteer Fire Department who put out many grass fires around houses that burned down."

Made my point for me: thanks.

Oh, I didn't realize your point was let 'em burn and try to keep it from spreading.


"The fire department usually has an ambulance with full time EMTs

Here, we got Acadian Ambulance. Privately owned. We seem to get along just fine w/out the gov in this area.

So you just pay whatever they say you owe, we also have private ambulances that charge as much as the lawyers who chase them.


"Because it becomes too fucking expensive when only a few are in it"

Again: you make my point. If folks, in large numbers want sumthin' (like unimployment ins) then the market (other folks) will provide. If so few folks actually want it that it has to be mandated, by technocrats with lent power, to 'be', well: you get my drift.

So you think if 40% want it someone will provide it cheaper than the currant system? 60%? 80% And still make a profit? Not a chance. A corporation rich enough to fund that kind of operation wouldn't be bothered with that piss ant operation. To make it worth their while nobody could afford it except people who don't need it.


"Right, they wouldn't come to rely on it, they'd just die like they used to."

Think it through: if you know your golden years are all on you then, mebbe, you make an effort to provide for those golden years when you're younger, you know, the way lots of folks do 'now' even with SS existin'.

Most people in the real world couldn't come up with enough to pay a surprise $500 bill over and above normal living expenses. I don't think the % of people building an investment portfolio for retirement is very high.


"Fine when you boy is running 106 fever send out for bids."

Think it through: I've already done my homework. When he had an 'issue' I took him where the treatment was available and the reasonable, and 'I' paid the bill, not taxpayers.
The last time I was in the hospital I was there from 6AM to about 1:30PM and the bill was over $175,000... +$19 to park. The taxpayers didn't pay that either. If the taxpayers were paying it would have probably been in the $30,000 range. If you don't have to worry about that shit you must be pretty rich.


"I don't need a charity but where do these people who do find one?"

On-line, phone book, a church, city hall, etc.

A tiny bit of effort renders great reward.

Oh, wait, you expect the charity to consult a crystal ball and go to the needy, yeah?

You're dreaming, every available resource is turning people away for lack off capacity.



"thousands of people on the streets because they've no place to go."

Where & why are there 'thousands' on the streets with no place to go?

The last numbers I saw were a little over 200,000 homeless citizens, but it's a tough area to get exact numbers.


"I'm not even counting the ones who prefer the street to shelters because it's safer."

Where are these unsafe shelters?
Now I'm trying to figure out if you're fucking with me or you're really that out of touch with reality.




"OK, I googled Associated Catholic Charities. It gives me Baltimore and NYC as a footnote."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities

And that link doesn't even begin to cover all the locations.

OK, where are they?


"Cato or Brutus didn't write it, you did."

No, I didn't:

Yes you did, those dudes were long dead when the Cellar was created, and I doubt either one had a computer. You wrote it.


"The internet says you're wrong"

No, it doesn't.

Show me.


"you are used to being wrong."

Please, expose my errors, list 'em, shame me.

I already have, just read everything you've written about the future. Image
henry quirk • Aug 25, 2019 10:40 am
"Oh, I didn't realize your point was let 'em burn and try to keep it from spreading."

My point: folks can 'do' w/out a gov's direction.

#

"So you just pay whatever they say you owe"

Kinda like you do when you go to the grocery, or pay taxes. Difference is you can shop around for lower prices with groceries. Try that with taxes.

#

"we also have private ambulances that charge as much as the lawyers who chase them."

That's the way it works, yeah.

#


"So you think if 40% want it someone will provide it cheaper than the currant system? 60%? 80% And still make a profit? Not a chance. A corporation rich enough to fund that kind of operation wouldn't be bothered with that piss ant operation. To make it worth their while nobody could afford it except people who don't need it."

If folks want it, they can have it w/out the gov. I never said it would be cheaper.

Me:I don't want it. Can't see why I should pay a dime into it. You 'do' want it; you pay for it.

#

"Most people in the real world couldn't come up with enough to pay a surprise $500 bill over and above normal living expenses."

And SS, somehow covers this? Mebbe folks coulda just kept that SS deposit in the first place, saving it as it suited them, investing it as they liked.

#

"The last time I was in the hospital I was there from 6AM to about 1:30PM and the bill was over $175,000... +$19 to park."

You had to pay to park? What a rip. None of the places I use make me pay to park. My last bill was two grand. I paid in installments. You can do that if you negotiate. If I'd still had my neat lil catastrophic policy (the one the ACA nullified) the bill woulda been handled that way (privately, w/out the gov).

#

"You're dreaming, every available resource is turning people away for lack off capacity."

Evidence, please.

#

"The last numbers I saw were a little over 200,000 homeless citizens, but it's a tough area to get exact numbers."

Why are they homeless?

#

"OK, where are they?"

Catholic Charitites? In every major city of every state; all over the world.

#

"You wrote it."

Cut & paste is not composition.

#

"Show me."

How? Oh, wait, I did that already by way of the two links.

#

"I already have, just read everything you've written about the future."

The future: by defintion, hasn't happened yet. How can I be wrong (or you, right) about that?
sexobon • Aug 25, 2019 11:56 am
henry quirk;1037498 wrote:
… Mebbe folks coulda just kept that SS deposit in the first place, saving it as it suited them, investing it as they liked. ...


You can if you demonstrate that you have a viable alternative to SS so you don't become a moocher later.

There was a Staff Sergeant in my Special Forces unit (you know, those people trained to do insurgency operations) who was a savvy investor. He reasoned that he was losing money on SS contributions versus investing it. He got a lawyer, sued the government for taking SS deductions from his military pay and WON! He showed me his Leave and Earnings Statement (paycheck stub) and there was NO SS deduction.

A similar situation exists with healthcare. You don't have to have insurance if you have a viable alternative so you don't become a moocher. I don't have to have healthcare insurance. I have VA medical coverage, which is not insurance; but, is already recognized under ACA as a viable [minimally acceptable] alternative. I don't have to get an individual exemption.

Those who are paying into SS and/or healthcare insurance can find a way out of it if they can demonstrate responsibility towards their future. The majority of those complaining about paying into those programs don't have viable alternatives and are just self serving latent moochers.
Undertoad • Aug 25, 2019 12:34 pm
After some Google research, and years in various libertarian movements, and the acquaintance of a gentleman who is a semi-hero in the anti-tax movement and who spent two and a half years in the fed prison for his efforts -- I do not believe there is currently any reasonable opt-out of SS, other than religious/clergy exemption.

~

It's true that, historically, almost all private investment outperforms SS returns. Even shitty investment. Here is a CATO paper that points out:

If workers who retired in 2011 had been allowed to invest the employee half of the Social Security payroll tax over their working lifetime, they would retire with more income than if they relied on Social Security. Indeed, even in the worst-case scenario&#8212;a low-wage worker who invested entirely in bonds&#8212;the benefits from private investment would equal those from traditional Social Security.
henry quirk • Aug 25, 2019 12:37 pm
Mebbe I need to seek one and end my 'criminal' ways.

nah

#

"moochers"

I just call 'em parasites.

##

"historically, almost all private investment outperforms SS returns"

Yep.

The objection, of course, is: 'but folks won't invest or save on their own!' which may be the case but isn't relevant (unless you wanna investigate 'why' folks may not self-preserve).
sexobon • Aug 25, 2019 1:06 pm
Undertoad;1037510 wrote:
… I do not believe there is currently any reasonable opt-out of SS, other than religious/clergy exemption. ...

They can go back to where they wished they'd come from. :p:

henry quirk;1037511 wrote:
… The objection, of course, is: 'but folks won't invest or save on their own!' which may be the case but isn't relevant (unless you wanna investigate 'why' folks may not self-preserve).

When others have to pay to preserve them, that's what's done.
henry quirk • Aug 25, 2019 1:48 pm
"Who? Who's going to fix the roads? Who's going to buy the equipment and materials?"

Who does these things 'now'? The same folks (and a few others) would do it w/out gov oversight. What, people can't organize themselves, pursue common goals w/out 'finer clay' directin' 'em?

##

"When others have to pay to preserve them, that's what's done."

It's deeper than that. Consider: why do some go to great lengths to not rely on others? Why do some go to great lengths to force others to support them? What's the foundational difference between the two?

Why does one live with hardship knowing hardship is the price for autonomy while another not only runs madly from hardship (and autonomy) but works hard to push a leash on his fellows?

Why do some wanna take care of themselves while others want to be taken care of?
sexobon • Aug 25, 2019 2:09 pm
"It's deeper than that. …" which may be the case but isn't relevant (unless you believe the wants of the one, or the few, outweigh the needs of the many).
henry quirk • Aug 25, 2019 2:38 pm
"the wants of the one, or the few, outweigh the needs of the many"

I think one gets to decide if he's gonna be relegated to bein' 'resource' for the many.

I think the many can go pound sand.
sexobon • Aug 25, 2019 3:05 pm
Then I expect the feeling will be mutual and what you want will never be achieved since we don't practice population control.
henry quirk • Aug 25, 2019 3:29 pm
cuz it'd be 'wrong' or sumthin'
sexobon • Aug 25, 2019 5:32 pm
Crunch the numbers. You won't get them all before they get you. Remember the Alamo.
henry quirk • Aug 25, 2019 7:36 pm
Dismember the enemy.
sexobon • Aug 25, 2019 9:01 pm
You remind me of Father Miguel Hidalgo, revered as the Father of his Country, who began the Mexican independence movement on Sept. 16, 1810. Hidalgo was a well intentioned man of imagination and courage who proved to be an inept organizer and leader. Hidalgo was captured and executed within 11 months. The prevailing story is that he was killed by firing squad, then decapitated, the morning of July 30, 1811. His head was hung from one corner of the regional grain exchange market building, which was being used as a prison, where it remained for 10 years until the end of the Mexican War of Independence in 1821. Like Hidalgo, if your preferred form of governance could ever come into being, you'd never see it.

YMMV.
henry quirk • Aug 25, 2019 10:22 pm
I got no compulsion to lead anyone anywhere. Folks ought do what they do. I just claim the same for myself.

My 'preferred form of governance' is just a lot less of it.

So: I mind my own business, keep my hands to myself (expect others to do te same). Not seein' myself shot & beheaded anytime soon.

As for what comes tomorrow: we'll see.
Undertoad • Aug 26, 2019 10:02 pm
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BigV • Aug 26, 2019 11:41 pm
uh huh.

Scale matters, I'd like to see the definition of "neutral".
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2019 4:41 am
henry quirk;1037498 wrote:
"Oh, I didn't realize your point was let 'em burn and try to keep it from spreading."

My point: folks can 'do' w/out a gov's direction.

Yes they can, everybody chips in and buys the equipment and hires the fireman. Costs more because not everyone will pony up, some will refuse, and some will give a string of excuses. Who's is going to collect the money and disburse it, keep people informed how much the owe because that will change constantly? Sounds like a full time job. Who's going to watch them?


"So you just pay whatever they say you owe"

Kinda like you do when you go to the grocery, or pay taxes. Difference is you can shop around for lower prices with groceries. Try that with taxes.

$10 in gas to save a dollar on groceries, but I know people who do that.
I get 2% off my property tax for paying early.

"we also have private ambulances that charge as much as the lawyers who chase them."

That's the way it works, yeah.

That's expensive.

"So you think if 40% want it someone will provide it cheaper than the currant system? 60%? 80% And still make a profit? Not a chance. A corporation rich enough to fund that kind of operation wouldn't be bothered with that piss ant operation. To make it worth their while nobody could afford it except people who don't need it."

If folks want it, they can have it w/out the gov. I never said it would be cheaper.

Me:I don't want it. Can't see why I should pay a dime into it. You 'do' want it; you pay for it.

You don't seem to care about costs, you must be rich.


"Most people in the real world couldn't come up with enough to pay a surprise $500 bill over and above normal living expenses."

And SS, somehow covers this? Mebbe folks coulda just kept that SS deposit in the first place, saving it as it suited them, investing it as they liked.

Most would get ripped off by shady Nigerian Princes or Bernie Madoffs.


"The last time I was in the hospital I was there from 6AM to about 1:30PM and the bill was over $175,000... +$19 to park."

You had to pay to park? What a rip. None of the places I use make me pay to park. My last bill was two grand. I paid in installments. You can do that if you negotiate. If I'd still had my neat lil catastrophic policy (the one the ACA nullified) the bill woulda been handled that way (privately, w/out the gov).

All the hospitals around here have paid parking garages, some validate though.


"You're dreaming, every available resource is turning people away for lack off capacity."

Evidence, please.

Google "shortage of homeless shelter space"
About 2,170,000 results (0.57 seconds)

"The last numbers I saw were a little over 200,000 homeless citizens, but it's a tough area to get exact numbers."

Why are they homeless?

Because they don't have money to buy or rent.


"OK, where are they?"
Catholic Charitites? In every major city of every state; all over the world.

They don't seem to be making a dent in the problem even in major cities.

"You wrote it."

Cut & paste is not composition.

I didn't say you composed it, two guys in England 300 years ago did.


"Show me."

How? Oh, wait, I did that already by way of the two links.
Yeah that's my mistake. Since your post was long I hit quote and worked down through it so when I got to that I saw...
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"I already have, just read everything you've written about the future."

The future: by defintion, hasn't happened yet. How can I be wrong (or you, right) about that?

Because anyone who knows anything about human nature, even you, knows that utopia is impossible.

henry quirk;1037516 wrote:
"Who? Who's going to fix the roads? Who's going to buy the equipment and materials?"

Who does these things 'now'? The same folks (and a few others) would do it w/out gov oversight. What, people can't organize themselves, pursue common goals w/out 'finer clay' directin' 'em?

Same problem as the fire department, plus making sure the work meets engineering standards to be safe because they will cut corners any way they can.


"When others have to pay to preserve them, that's what's done."

It's deeper than that. Consider: why do some go to great lengths to not rely on others? Why do some go to great lengths to force others to support them? What's the foundational difference between the two?

Why does one live with hardship knowing hardship is the price for autonomy while another not only runs madly from hardship (and autonomy) but works hard to push a leash on his fellows?

Why do some wanna take care of themselves while others want to be taken care of?

Because some have a anti-social nature, and see John Wayne in every mirror. Feel they are better than the hoards and foolish enough to go thirsty rather than drink from the common well. The type who fought against tax funded public education, and public works like sanitation that has improved life for everyone. Hardly any rivers catch fire anymore, and most places you don't need your headlights at noon. It wasn't that long ago that wasn't true.

Others (most) understand the ways and means of civilization and the advantage of cooperation in making the quality of life better for everyone. That's more and more important as the world becomes more crowded.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2019 10:51 am
The ultra rich are squeaking by...

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I wonder what browser they use?

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henry quirk • Aug 27, 2019 11:16 am
A gaunt Wolf was almost dead with hunger when he happened to meet a House dog who was passing by.

"Ah, Cousin," said the Dog. "I knew how it would be; your irregular life will soon be the ruin of you. Why do you not work steadily as I do, and get your food regularly given to you?"

"I would have no objection," said the Wolf, "if I could only get a place."

"I will easily arrange that for you," said the Dog; "come with me to my master and you shall share my work."

So the Wolf and the Dog went towards the town together. On the way there the Wolf noticed that the hair on a certain part of the Dog's neck was very much worn away, so he asked him how that had come about.

"Oh, it is nothing," said the Dog. "That is only the place where the collar is put on at night to keep me chained up; it chafes a bit, but one soon gets used to it."

"Is that all?" said the Wolf. "Then good-bye to you, Master Dog."

Better starve free than be a fat slave.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 27, 2019 11:19 am
The cowboy, the rebel, the sovereign citizen, above the law in a myth of eternal innocence. In reality conformity disguised as rebellion.
henry quirk • Aug 27, 2019 7:21 pm
:robot:
fargon • Aug 27, 2019 8:20 pm
Does this post mean that you are leaving?
henry quirk • Aug 27, 2019 8:56 pm
wasn't plannin' on it, but -- what the hey -- let's vote on it...

( )go, Henry, go!

( )stay, Henry, stay!

( )meh
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 28, 2019 1:22 am
henry quirk;1037646 wrote:
wasn't plannin' on it, but -- what the hey -- let's vote on it...

( )go, Henry, go!

([COLOR="Red"]X[/COLOR])stay, Henry, stay!

( )meh


At least until I figure out your fixation on Latin, pretty sure you aren't a priest, maybe a teacher, or maybe just obfuscation.
I have used Latin for over 60 years.
Undertoad • Aug 28, 2019 1:24 am
Put in another decade man. It's worth it.
Griff • Aug 28, 2019 7:01 am
henry quirk;1037646 wrote:
wasn't plannin' on it, but -- what the hey -- let's vote on it...

( )go, Henry, go!

(x)stay, Henry, stay!

( )meh
fargon • Aug 28, 2019 7:22 am
henry quirk;1037646 wrote:
wasn't plannin' on it, but -- what the hey -- let's vote on it...

( )go, Henry, go!

(X )stay, Henry, stay!

( )meh
henry quirk • Aug 28, 2019 9:37 am
I post a bit of Latin, my one and only foray in a decade, and I'm 'fixated'.

:neutral:

-----

Four votes for 'stay, Henry, stay!'

What say the rest?

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity, folks!

You get to decide my fate!

Vote now!
Carruthers • Aug 28, 2019 10:36 am
Originally Posted by henry quirk
wasn't plannin' on it, but -- what the hey -- let's vote on it...

( ) go, Henry, go!

( ) stay, Henry, stay!

( ) meh

([COLOR="Red"]X[/COLOR]) None of the above

Well, somebody had to do it! ;)
glatt • Aug 28, 2019 3:22 pm
I think you should stay, but I also think it's a little out of character to be letting others decide for you.
sexobon • Aug 28, 2019 5:28 pm
henry quirk;1037646 wrote:
wasn't plannin' on it, but -- what the hey -- let's vote on it...

( )go, Henry, go!

( )stay, Henry, stay!

( )meh

I noticed that - ( ) roll over, Henry, roll over! - was not an option.

Oh well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
henry quirk • Aug 28, 2019 7:30 pm
I'm takin' that as a 'meh'.

##


"I think you should stay"

Another 'stay, Henry, stay!'

#

'but I also think it's a little out of character to be letting others decide for you.'

I'm fulla surprises (or sumthin').

##

"Put in another decade man."

Yeah, I ain't committin' to nuthin'.

#

"It's worth it."

'bout a buck fity

##

"I noticed that - ( ) roll over, Henry, roll over! - was not an option."

No, me rollin' over ain't an option.

#

"Oh well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks."

woof
sexobon • Aug 31, 2019 9:27 pm
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From DJ's thread [thread=34512]Maps, etc.[/thread], click on photo for source.
sexobon • Aug 31, 2019 9:54 pm
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Well, of course Kentucky.

Link
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 3, 2019 1:55 am
They like to keep track of the boomers and their disposable income...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 4, 2019 1:11 am
Keep track of those old bastards, I'm starting to get paranoid... :unsure:
Undertoad • Sep 10, 2019 10:28 am
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A strong economy with low unemployment is very effective at driving down poverty.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 11, 2019 1:00 am
Figures don't lie. :rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Sep 12, 2019 1:28 pm
Hips Don't Lie

A good accountant can make the numbers say anything.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 25, 2019 2:10 am
Where Canucks live...
tw • Sep 25, 2019 6:44 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1039033 wrote:
Where Canucks live...
Go north young man.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 26, 2019 4:54 pm
Calories...
Clodfobble • Sep 26, 2019 11:49 pm
Average daily fruit/veg calories at 100...

That's just under one banana per day. And nothing else.
Undertoad • Sep 27, 2019 9:55 am
The time of the reformation is at hand.

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Griff • Sep 27, 2019 10:38 am
Yikes! Living in a red "have not" district this ain't good.
Clodfobble • Sep 27, 2019 11:29 am
Seems to me the fastest way to balance that chart would be for the red districts to stop voting red...
Griff • Sep 27, 2019 11:42 am
It's less about voting red than being committed to an area or region that does not factor into the current economic system. Being conservative seems to make someone less likely to want to pick up and move out of a dying town. They've committed themselves to a way of life they were taught would be, through hard work, rewarded. They were taught the lessons of 1950.
Clodfobble • Sep 27, 2019 3:22 pm
Sure, but a lot of the current economic system is due to red mainstays like tax benefits for big corporations. I mean, I live in a big blue town that has experienced consistent growth and even continued to build (and rapidly sell) new homes right through the housing crash as if it never happened--so I guess it shouldn't bother me. I'd personally rather small-town America didn't die, but if they keep shooting themselves in the face on election day there's not a lot I can do.

It's not just that they were lied to; it's that they're being lied to to this day and they still haven't figured it out.
Griff • Sep 27, 2019 3:58 pm
They are cutting their own throats... I'm about one pro-lifer moral authority meme from moving to a blue state.
Undertoad • Sep 27, 2019 4:21 pm
you guys they are in the room and they can hear you
Griff • Sep 27, 2019 4:22 pm
True. I try to be better and then I'm not.
Undertoad • Sep 27, 2019 4:46 pm
It's the reformation at hand, man --

The idea that it's the poor people's fault they are poor is a very old one; and, as the wheels are turning, surprising to begin to hear it from the left.
Griff • Sep 27, 2019 5:15 pm
damn, I been got.

I've been trying to sort this out through the lens of close family stuff seeing the conservative kids getting sketchy career advice from their parents but I completely ignored the child of liberals I was with last night who's been getting sketchy career advice. Nobody knows how to stay afloat in this economy, we're all guessing.
Undertoad • Sep 27, 2019 5:23 pm
Wull now I feel bad. Sorry.
Griff • Sep 27, 2019 5:32 pm
Don't be, I start generalizing and recognizing only what I assume I should see. That's poor mental hygiene.
slang • Sep 28, 2019 11:25 pm
Griff;1039151 wrote:
It's less about voting red than being committed to an area or region that does not factor into the current economic system.


:thumbsup:

Fuck those fucking fuckers.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2019 1:00 am
I don't think Tom Joad and family packing up and heading for silicon valley is going to help. The answer is finding a way to make the Joads prosperous where they are.
Griff • Sep 29, 2019 7:01 am
The DNC was sent a memo about that in 2016
Diaphone Jim • Sep 29, 2019 1:05 pm
I don't know when that red/blue crap got started, but I have to stop and figure it out every time I see it.
Undertoad • Oct 9, 2019 10:03 am
These days, women outnumber men in grad school 139-100.

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xoxoxoBruce • Oct 28, 2019 2:34 am
Our shrinking frontier...
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 1, 2019 12:22 am
Stereotypes... they asked a whopping 1000 people.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 3, 2019 1:06 am
Who's is funding the anti-climate change troops?
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 4, 2019 12:26 am
Smart because I'm pretty. :blush:
Flint • Nov 4, 2019 1:21 pm
How does [whatever news thing] affect Trump's approval? No. :::swats America's nose with a newspaper:::
monster • Nov 12, 2019 7:49 pm
Grades are increasing and Vietnam is to blame.....
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 12, 2019 10:57 pm
Left wing hippie teachers. ;)
Undertoad • Nov 14, 2019 11:04 pm
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The sole exception is Vatican City, which in 2011 had a grand total of 32 female citizens.

(Vatican City is an absolute monarchy, headed by the Pope. It holds no elections, so neither male nor female citizens have the right to vote. However, the Pope is elected - by the College of Cardinals of the Catholic Church, which women cannot join.)
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 14, 2019 11:56 pm
Vatican City, which in 2011 had a grand total of 32 female citizens.
I heard about one of them. She had to be blind, deaf and mute... with big boobs. :yesnod:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 17, 2019 1:09 am
The ladies are pretty critical...

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Where they met...

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Hooked up...

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But less divorce...

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Clodfobble • Nov 17, 2019 11:08 am
Versus the "historical norms" of... 2008?
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 17, 2019 12:37 pm
I think they're saying during this period we have the ability to make more informed decisions than the historical norm.
Griff • Nov 17, 2019 9:17 pm
Hysterical Norm?
Gravdigr • Nov 17, 2019 9:45 pm
Entire bar: NORM!

Woody: What's shakin' Mr. Peterson?

Norm: All four cheeks and a coupla chins, pour me a beer.
Undertoad • Nov 19, 2019 12:17 am
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One of those hopeful graphs, cos that is how it works around the world - if you're clawing for a job, the condition of the air isn't your first concern. But once you get enough scratch to start considering other things, pollution becomes something you worry about, since it is hurting your quality of life. Once you have a middle class, they are going to demand change.

Apparently New Delhi pollution rates were off the charts last week

If you use windy.com, you can Show / Add more layers and select PM2.5 to show air pollution. PM2.5 refers to smaller particulate matter in the air (smoke is little particles, I assume) that is more dangerous to health.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 19, 2019 12:58 pm
I suppose larger particulates get partially filtered out by nose hair and the body's other natural defences, but smoke goes all the way in to deposit it's chemicals in the lungs. [SIZE="1"]cough cough[/SIZE]
Undertoad • Nov 19, 2019 1:34 pm
Yup that seems to be what the size is about... there is also a PM10, but that is apparently just annoying, compared to PM2.5 which is supposed to be dangerous.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 20, 2019 1:34 am
The proliferation of selfies has spurred a surge in makeup sales for everything but perfume.
You can't smell a selfie.
Undertoad • Nov 20, 2019 10:07 am
I can't help but feel something is really systematically broken when the young people are not fucking.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 20, 2019 10:11 am
Well maybe mom won't allow it in her basement, or the constant eye of Big Brother, then there's this...
Gravdigr • Nov 20, 2019 4:41 pm
That, right thar, is why you should always video record your sexual encounters.



















And post them in Teh Cellah!:evil3:
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 25, 2019 1:47 am
An unscientific survey of the most annoying critter in each state.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 26, 2019 12:17 am
When you get that Tesla truck with the pop-up camping accessory, you can do a tour of National parks. It's a long trip but just keep plugging away at it.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 28, 2019 12:40 am
New Orleans is a hemorrhoid on the anus of 7,000 rivers.
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 30, 2019 1:09 am
Predominant Thanksgiving side dish.
Undertoad • Nov 30, 2019 1:20 am
:eyebrow:
fargon • Nov 30, 2019 9:44 am
I don't know about my neighbors, but I had only one bun. I had seconds of dressing or stuffing. And so did everybody else.
Clodfobble • Nov 30, 2019 11:37 am
I simply do not believe that Thanksgiving sides chart. There's no way.
Clodfobble • Nov 30, 2019 11:40 am
Maybe--maybe--if it's one of those "most unusually popular" calculations where it compares "what's highest here that's also lowest everywhere else" as opposed to just a straight majority.

Otherwise, it's baloney. (Which I hear is the most popular Thanksgiving side dish in Oklahoma.)
xoxoxoBruce • Nov 30, 2019 10:58 pm
Nearly half of the humans who ever lived were killed by mosquitoes so this is real progress...
Griff • Dec 1, 2019 11:16 am
I'm still pissed off about the mac and cheese. I'm not ready for good news.
Clodfobble • Dec 1, 2019 3:08 pm
Thanks, Bill Gates!
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 1, 2019 3:27 pm
Yes, I think the Gates Foundation is a big factor in this.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 1, 2019 3:37 pm
More good news...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2019 12:37 am
This one has me confused, maybe you can figure it out. The PPP and the blocks before Ethiopia and after the US to make 100% population.
Clodfobble • Dec 3, 2019 11:09 am
PPP is just them saying "when everyone's money is translated onto a standard playing field"--kind of like how the salaries are higher in NYC, but a sandwich also costs 3 times as much so you're not really making as much as you think you are. They've calculated how much actual buying power each country has.

As for the rich sliver to the right of the U.S., I'd guess a small hideout of billionaires that is only technically a sovereign nation--maybe an island owned by Richard Branson, or Vatican City, something like that. To the left of Ethiopia could be any number of tiny, dirt-poor countries that they figured folks wouldn't recognize as readily.
Undertoad • Dec 3, 2019 3:08 pm
according to this page there are 11 countries with higher than USA GDP per-capita based on PPP

Wikipedia lists the ranking with three different sources
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2019 4:54 pm
Seems to me there is a lot of data massaging and fudge factoring involved with the PPP.
Of course neither GDP nor PPP tell how well the average Joe/Jolene are doing. If their country is a tax haven or big supplier of IT, it might look good on paper but half the population is actually starving.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 5, 2019 12:10 am
Kids will run ragged, the secret is to slow them down with ballast... like lead.
Griff • Dec 5, 2019 7:26 am
Look at PA WINNING!
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 6, 2019 12:22 am
But PA loses big time to Brazil when it comes to homicides.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2019 1:01 am
I'm skeptical of their method, there's an awful lot of counties without live venues.
Undertoad • Dec 7, 2019 1:19 am
the colors in the legend are way too light, compared to the colors on the map.
Griff • Dec 7, 2019 6:52 pm
House parties are a thing hereabouts, live punk shows. I suspect they are not mapped.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 7, 2019 10:25 pm
Most expensive Zip codes...
glatt • Dec 8, 2019 9:26 pm
They don't know where Boston is.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2019 10:17 pm
Springfield is only 90 miles away and in the same state so they get a D. :lol:
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 8, 2019 10:35 pm
Who's good at talkin' & writin'? We know the Brits and Aussies murder our language and the Canuks bend it a little, but how are the rest of he countries doing?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 11, 2019 11:36 am
Where is Willie singing about?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 13, 2019 1:15 am
The drunkest and soberest cities in the US...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 14, 2019 2:39 am
Because... priorities man, priorities...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 19, 2019 12:29 am
Yes, we're gonna die... sometimes from the weather...

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and sometimes from something kind of unique to our state.

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Griff • Dec 19, 2019 7:50 am
Those are kinda fun.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 19, 2019 12:29 pm
The suspense of not knowing if a flood or flash flood will get you makes life exciting. ;)
tw • Dec 19, 2019 10:56 pm
Most frequent cause of weather fatalities. But no Legend (no, not Willie).

How will I know when I become a relevant statistic?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 20, 2019 1:46 am
You won't care anymore.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 20, 2019 2:27 am
Chance of snow days shutting school...
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 21, 2019 12:29 am
Over-tourism is killing lots of places like Amsterdam and Venice...

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That one can't be our fault...

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xoxoxoBruce • Dec 24, 2019 12:48 am
The nations (maybe tribes) of North America.
Luce • Dec 26, 2019 12:03 pm
The El Norte thing is accurate. In Tucson, people in Sonora are the neighbors, and the Southeast is "those weirdos waayyyyy the hell over there."
Griff • Dec 26, 2019 12:42 pm
We've shifted from Yankeedom/Midlands to Greater Appalachia over the last few years.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 26, 2019 3:03 pm
I've noticed Appalachia has been creeping eastward, firmly into Lancaster County now, and I suspect Lebanon County too.
Gravdigr • Dec 26, 2019 3:14 pm
It's crept all the way to eastern New Mexico.
Undertoad • Dec 27, 2019 10:12 am
From the "As long as we're playing this intersectionality/victims game" dep't, a list of some ways men are worse off than women

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Diaphone Jim • Dec 27, 2019 12:49 pm
Snow day map:
Why the heck do we (especially the eastern 2/3) have so many counties?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 27, 2019 1:06 pm
Undertoad;1043648 wrote:
a list of some ways men are worse off than women

No no, that shows men are better, we ain't hiding in no schools, we're out there kicking ass and living the high(and drunk) life, taking no shit except other people's when we think nobody's looking. ;)

Diaphone Jim;1043654 wrote:
Snow day map:
Why the heck do we (especially the eastern 2/3) have so many counties?
The county government was much stronger than the state or even federal when all those counties were formed.
Luce • Dec 27, 2019 2:25 pm
Not sure what's so awful about an arts degree.

I mean, unless you feel that society should be 100% utilitarian.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 27, 2019 5:18 pm
Arts degree? I didn't see that mentioned.

The two things we need most (so make sure the aren't coming by fedex) are air and water.
Clodfobble • Dec 28, 2019 3:55 pm
Luce wrote:
Not sure what's so awful about an arts degree.


The chart isn't saying it's bad; the chart is saying that significantly fewer men take those courses/have those degrees than women. It's a counterargument to the standard "not enough women in STEM" numbers.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 7, 2020 1:31 am
You can argue about the dirt in your yard instead...
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2020 12:43 am
Lots of people going to die when the San Andreas lets go.
Undertoad • Jan 9, 2020 10:10 am
Gallup 2020 poll of American self-described ideologies: The U.S. Remained Center-Right, Ideologically, in 2019

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Luce • Jan 9, 2020 10:26 am
Undertoad;1044286 wrote:
Gallup 2020 poll of American self-described ideologies: The U.S. Remained Center-Right, Ideologically, in 2019

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What's interesting about that is that I see polls saying this, but then I see companies like Chick-Fil-A having to walk back right wing views (in their case, public, loud donations to anti-LGBT organizations) because it was costing them too more customers than they were gaining.

Another example is Carl's Jr, which has lost 13% of its stock price since it came out that they were handing cash over to bigots. We already know about the Target bathroom thing and the Hobby Lobby ("back to the 1950s!") debacle.

So I am unsure which way to think. On one hand, the polls say one thing. On the other hand, the market says something else entirely.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 9, 2020 10:48 am
That's because in respectable homes Mom is cooking supper so when Dad comes home from work, they can sit down with Jr and Sis to thank the Lord for a nutritious meal. Only those scallywag troublemakers are going to Chick-Fil-A or Carl's Jr. ;)
Undertoad • Jan 9, 2020 10:48 am
Because anti-LGBT isn't the defining issue of conservatism. I couldn't find a conservative/liberal poll on this so we will have to make due with Pew's survey which shows that, currently, 44% of Rs and 75% of Ds are for gay marriage.

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This wildly pro-gay rights moderate eats Chick Fil A every other day. I am very aware of their giving and once I tried to edit the Wikipedia page on it to make it more accurate (and was immediately rolled back by an activist editor)
Luce • Jan 9, 2020 11:08 am
Undertoad;1044294 wrote:
Because anti-LGBT isn't the defining issue of conservatism. I couldn't find a conservative/liberal poll on this so we will have to make due with Pew's survey which shows that, currently, 44% of Rs and 75% of Ds are for gay marriage.

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This wildly pro-gay rights moderate eats Chick Fil A every other day. I am very aware of their giving and once I tried to edit the Wikipedia page on it to make it more accurate (and was immediately rolled back by an activist editor)


They have recently walked that back, so they're now on my menu.

However, that is not the only issue.

To clarify things, when you say center right, can you give me a few examples of which issues you feel center right about?
Undertoad • Jan 9, 2020 11:41 am
I say moderate. That is my political compass result, where I get a (0,-3)
BigV • Jan 9, 2020 9:31 pm
Undertoad;1044302 wrote:
I say moderate. That is my political compass result, where I get a (0,-3)


Unsurprisingly, we have a thread for this.

Jump in Luce, the water's fine!
Luce • Jan 9, 2020 9:33 pm
BigV;1044339 wrote:
Unsurprisingly, we have a thread for this.

Jump in Luce, the water's fine!


Server not found on the test.

But I know from seeing it before where I stand.

Somewhere around Abbie Hoffman.
tw • Jan 9, 2020 9:38 pm
Luce;1044340 wrote:
Somewhere around Abbie Hoffman.

And the sign said "Long-haired freaky people need not apply"
So that was you?
Luce • Jan 9, 2020 9:59 pm
tw;1044341 wrote:
So that was you?


Naw. My grandfather taught me to blend in.

"Look like every other outraged bystander, and you can get away with anything."
Griff • Jan 10, 2020 9:51 am
Good strategy.
Luce • Jan 10, 2020 9:59 am
Griff;1044366 wrote:
Good strategy.


He lived to be 99 years old, must have been doing something right.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 10, 2020 10:02 am
Assuming a longer life isn't punishment. ;)
tw • Jan 10, 2020 11:05 pm
Luce;1044343 wrote:
Naw. My grandfather taught me to blend in.
So he tried to raise you as a spy. Was his prototype Bond? Matt Helm? Or Maxwell Smart?
Luce • Jan 10, 2020 11:35 pm
tw;1044405 wrote:
So he tried to raise you as a spy. Was his prototype Bond? Matt Helm? Or Maxwell Smart?


He was a labor organizer as a steelworker in the 20s.
Griff • Jan 11, 2020 10:24 am
Luce;1044406 wrote:
He was a labor organizer as a steelworker in the 20s.


Mine tried to organize farmers, I wonder how he'd feel about his anti-labor children...
Gravdigr • Jan 11, 2020 11:36 am
Griff;1044431 wrote:
Mine tried to organize farmers...


Well, he did alright I reckon. Every farm I've ever seen has been in the country. First step in organizing anything is to get 'em all in one place...in this case, the country.

Well done.
Griff • Jan 11, 2020 12:03 pm
lol Defining success!
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 12, 2020 10:14 am
Not all the news is bad...

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Now those shithole countries can read what we're saying about them.

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BigV • Jan 12, 2020 6:28 pm
Luce;1044298 wrote:
They have recently walked that back, so they're now on my menu.
--snip


You have company.

Apologies for the likely repost. I searched in vain for my other posting of this
video.
fargon • Jan 12, 2020 8:23 pm
Makes me wish we had a Chick-Fil-A here.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2020 3:21 am
Electric vehicles...
Clodfobble • Jan 22, 2020 7:36 am
Do those prices take into account state subsidies?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 22, 2020 7:40 am
Seems like they must, I can't see another reason for that much variation but I guess the amount of, or lack of, competition may be at play.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 23, 2020 2:04 am
When I see these charts, graphs or articles about total wealth of a country, I always wonder what it is? Add up the assessed value of all properties, total of every company's accounts receivable, and all the deposits in piggy banks? No, that can't be it.
Luce • Jan 23, 2020 11:07 am
In a week, we can watch the UK part just vanish.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2020 3:09 am
The cost of incarceration...
glatt • Jan 24, 2020 6:58 am
Maybe the expensive states serve edible food and don’t have decrepit buildings, pay the guards better to get more professional people, etc.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 24, 2020 10:14 am
You mean instead of contracting it out to for profit prisons?
glatt • Jan 24, 2020 1:06 pm
I'm really surprised Massachusetts is so cheap. It destroys my theory about liberal places spending more on decent prisons.
Clodfobble • Jan 24, 2020 3:44 pm
This article notes that Massachusetts has a somewhat unique system where, independent from their main prisons, county sheriffs run "houses of correction" for anyone serving 2.5 years or less. It's possible those figures weren't included in their overall budget for this chart, or that it's just a cheaper way of doing things than, for example, putting small-time criminals in max security.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2020 12:57 am
Some prisons/states may see more income from their slave labor than others.
Griff • Jan 25, 2020 8:49 am
Unbelievable number of folks behind bars... say, when El Cheeto's wall is done does the number go to 100k in 100k?
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 25, 2020 10:22 am
"100k in 100k" :confused:
Griff • Jan 25, 2020 10:37 am
100,000 Americans in prison per 100,000 in population.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2020 12:34 am
Ah, thank you. :smack: Thankfully I'm at the point where I'm not ashamed to ask.

Who hates whom. Adding the word hate brings boredpanda the clicks.
Clickbait title for a tabulation of beefs on some guys instagram account.
Clodfobble • Jan 26, 2020 4:19 pm
I wonder how much of that is based on football rivalries?

I like how Florida is the only one that hates themselves.
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2020 6:10 pm
Probably sports, or ticket happy cops, could be jealousy too. Maybe it's just where the mother-in-law lives.

While we're at it, those damn drivers from Jersey... :haha:
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 26, 2020 6:16 pm
!3 cents of every dollar spent on retail sales is at a gas station. Of course gas stations are more like combination mini-mart/restaurant/convenience stores so not all of that is for gas.
BigV • Jan 27, 2020 12:46 pm
Clodfobble;1045514 wrote:
I wonder how much of that is based on football rivalries?

I like how Florida is the only one that hates themselves.



Looks like New Jersey also hates themselves.
Undertoad • Jan 27, 2020 1:59 pm
Can confirm. The south Jersey people hate the north Jersey people and vice versa :D
xoxoxoBruce • Jan 28, 2020 12:47 am
And middle Jersey wants nothing to do with the NYC wannabes up north, nor the Philly wannabes to the south. :haha:

Where are the Mormons?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2020 1:48 am
Seems to me we discussed this before but I don't know where.
Oh well the newest spammers might be interested.
fargon • Feb 1, 2020 8:45 am
That map is wrong. Tagalog is not a predominant language in California. Spanish is. Throughout the south western US Spanish is the predominant second language.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2020 9:45 am
Did you read the top line?
fargon • Feb 1, 2020 1:35 pm
No I'm a bad pussy cat.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 1, 2020 11:15 pm
No, you're a stoned pussy cat. :haha:
fargon • Feb 2, 2020 6:10 am
That too.
Undertoad • Feb 11, 2020 10:30 am
Our younger generations are all progressive about gender roles. Also they are huge liars.

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Luce • Feb 11, 2020 11:12 am
Undertoad;1046387 wrote:
Our younger generations are all progressive about gender roles. Also they are huge liars.

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There's a flaw in that graph.

It shows what people of various ages are doing now, not what people of the older age did when they were the younger age.

Also, it asks do they do *more* than their partner. If it said "as much as", would the graph show different results?
Undertoad • Feb 11, 2020 12:44 pm
It asked more likely/less likely, which I think teases out the actual reality.

Also I believe these reflect lifelong roles. Also I am a counter-example. I am in the 55+ category and I now do more of these things than my partner. In all earlier ages I would have done less.
glatt • Feb 11, 2020 1:34 pm
If they say "time to clean" and then you both clean about the same, does that mean they do more because they initiated the cleaning and you would have happily lived in the filth for at least a few more months?
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 12, 2020 1:03 am
Nah, credit is earned regardless of motivation.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 13, 2020 2:42 am
Billion dollar disasters...
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 14, 2020 3:02 am
Spring is here... well, there in the southeast.
xoxoxoBruce • Feb 28, 2020 5:46 pm
How the Irish lost their native tongue...
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2020 12:49 am
Scandinavian women are finding better things to try, when they spread their wings, so delay motherhood until they find out how bad the alternatives are. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 7, 2020 12:32 am
There are maps of each region, and a map of the world showing, the oldest business in each country that has continuously operated and when it started.

However the large map shows Kongo Gumi in Japan as the oldest in Japan and the world founded in 578... no, I didn't leave out a number, over 1400 years. Kongo Gumi got caught up in Japan's easy money/low interest era and borrowed to buy overpriced properties used as collateral. When the real estate bubble popped and values nosedived they couldn't handle the debt and went belly up in 2006 becoming a subsidiary of Takamatsu Corp.

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One of the slaves at Shirley Plantation, Siah Hulett, escaped and served on the USS Monitor.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 10, 2020 2:15 am
What people are reading...
glatt • Mar 10, 2020 8:22 am
Rhode Island is the only state reading a book I have heard of.
Undertoad • Mar 10, 2020 10:12 am
"I don't believe an X can be elected President." via the Economist

Americans waaaaaay overestimate voters' prejudices against women and minorities.

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Basically, for the red and blue dots, Rs and Ds were asked "Would America vote for a Presidential candidate who is X?" For the grey dots, everyone was asked "Would you vote for a candidate who was X?" Both sides are prone to believe other people will not support the minority identity.

Democrats are particularly prone to this &#8211; which ironically makes them less likely to support female or minority candidates due to concerns about electability.

Basically stated, we hate each other more than we hate people of identities, which is not very much, despite us believing that we do.
glatt • Mar 10, 2020 10:19 am
"Over age 70" polls extremely low. Isn't it grand the choices we have left?

This is a very interesting graph. Thanks for sharing it.
Griff • Mar 10, 2020 12:59 pm
It's very interesting. The dynamic between how sexist or racist we willingly say or think we are vs how sexist or racist we think our neighbor is leaves a lot of play in the numbers.

My MiL, an old time feminist wouldn't vote for Warren based on her "overly-energetic" personality not her positions. Gender bias is interesting. Warren got pounded and gave ground on her funding of M4A but Bernie gets a pass. To me, Warren is obviously a better potential President than either Bernie or Joe but our self-deception or perception of other voters made sure that couldn't happen.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 11, 2020 1:31 am
Yeah, she's too strong, that's voiced as abrasive in order to not say too strong for a woman to be. Need a Marilyn Monroe type to wrap the male voters around her little finger... along with double guards on the voting booths to keep wives out while he votes. :haha:
Clodfobble • Mar 11, 2020 5:56 am
Griff;1048234 wrote:
It's very interesting. The dynamic between how sexist or racist we willingly say or think we are vs how sexist or racist we think our neighbor is leaves a lot of play in the numbers.



My MiL, an old time feminist wouldn't vote for Warren based on her "overly-energetic" personality not her positions. Gender bias is interesting. Warren got pounded and gave ground on her funding of M4A but Bernie gets a pass. To me, Warren is obviously a better potential President than either Bernie or Joe but our self-deception or perception of other voters made sure that couldn't happen.
There's also a dynamic between how racist/sexist we say (and genuinely believe) we are, vs. how our choices actually play out in the real world. It's the neverending "I would absolutely vote for a woman, just not that one..." syndrome.
Undertoad • Mar 11, 2020 9:56 am
Perhaps our secret racism/sexism, hidden even to ourselves, is actually what guides the world?

It's a perfect theory. It can't be disproven -- because the bias is so completely hidden, we aren't even aware of it

Every time a woman isn't elected, it is proof of the secret bias. But then, somehow, the fact we did elect and then re-elect a black man with 57% is also proof. As a nation, we ONLY did that to show that we AREN'T secret racists, or something.
Clodfobble • Mar 11, 2020 6:09 pm
Yeah, man, I don't know about that last part. It's not an argument I've heard, but no doubt someone out there is making it.
Undertoad • Mar 11, 2020 7:50 pm
I'll restate it, I should have written it better

I'm skeptical. If these kinds of hidden biases really guided the world in a very strong way, the nation never would have elected and reelected a black man with a foreign-sounding name.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 12, 2020 12:23 am
Undertoad;1048262 wrote:

Every time a woman isn't elected, it is proof of the secret bias.


So every woman who runs for office against a man is a better choice?
That's bullshit. :headshake
tw • Mar 12, 2020 12:29 am
Undertoad;1048285 wrote:
I'm skeptical. If these kinds of hidden biases really guided the world in a very strong way, the nation never would have elected and reelected a black man with a foreign-sounding name.

To appreciate the art, notice how a foreign sounding name on a black man got lost with other characteristics. That is what a good campaign manager does. He is able to predict people's biases (that originate in the child's brain). And then spin something that either plays on that emotion or masks it.

Steve Bannon was fabulous at that game. Some of the trick he used to see and avert such emotional problems in advance demonstrate genius. So much so that he even got Roger Ailes to back down.
Clodfobble • Mar 13, 2020 8:42 am
Undertoad;1048285 wrote:
I'll restate it, I should have written it better

I'm skeptical. If these kinds of hidden biases really guided the world in a very strong way, the nation never would have elected and reelected a black man with a foreign-sounding name.
It's slowly getting better than it was in the past, and that's reason for hope. But one black President isn't proof that all racism is over. As far as what one Black president says about sexism... Black men got the right to vote before white women did. We're on the same path we've always been on, but with luck, we'll keep moving forward.
Undertoad • Mar 13, 2020 10:01 am
isn't proof that all racism is over


Again, I'm specifically talking about the "unknown even to ourselves" racism. The "microaggressions" racism, the "hidden biases" racism. I believe the idea that these things affect society in a meaningful way is a load of mighty bullshit.
Clodfobble • Mar 13, 2020 7:53 pm
Microaggressions, I mostly agree. Hidden biases, though, are verifiable--like the multiple studies showing that identical resumes with a traditionally white or black name at the top get vastly different rates of interview requests. By assuming that the headhunters aren't knowingly rejecting candidates by race and are only acting on hidden biases, I'm actually giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Meanwhile, another study showed that when given a quick-thinking "shoot the bad guys but avoid the hostages" kind of test, both black and white participants were more likely to accidentally shoot the black hostages. I fully agree that accusing someone of racism isn't going to win them over, but it helps to acknowledge that there's stuff our brains do that we don't even know they do. I, personally, have found I'm sexist against women to a surprising degree--when I really stop and look at my gut reactions, I find that I dislike them more, trust them less, and assume incompetence faster than I will with a man. I try to check myself regularly because I know that for whatever reason--childhood bullies all being girls, subtle messaging from my dad who literally seemed to forget I was a girl sometimes*, who knows what else--I'm naturally biased.

*I swear to God he'd give me marriage advice about women, like "if you want to know what a girl's going to be like when she gets older, look at her mother."
Undertoad • Mar 13, 2020 11:18 pm
Hidden biases, though, are verifiable--like the multiple studies showing that identical resumes with a traditionally white or black name at the top get vastly different rates of interview requests.


Verifiable, but don't have a big effect on our world.

On the basis of these studies, some have tried "blind recruitment". They remove anything gender or ethnic-identifying from the resume before it goes to the head hunters.

The Australian public service had a problem in hiring senior women. So they started a trial of blind recruitment.

The trial found assigning a male name to a candidate made them 3.2 percent less likely to get a job interview.

Adding a woman's name to a CV made the candidate 2.9 percent more likely to get a foot in the door.


Of course, they shitcanned the trial. And this is just one single instance. But the whole idea of just putting a name up there and having it prove anything is pretty meaningless. The world doesn't consist of identical resumes at ALL, and the name is the least interesting thing on a resume. To prove it, I would like to suggest we try a test of traditional black names versus traditional white names, to test our racism:

Who will be your accountant:

Booker
or
Cleetus?

Who will watch over your cash drawer:

Angela
or
Tangerine?

Who will help watch over your aging parent during the day:

Shaniqua, age 41, Registered Nurse
or
Carol, age 21, retail worker?
Clodfobble • Mar 14, 2020 8:57 am
[emoji38] I see your point, but I'm cracking up at the idea of a 21-year-old named Carol.
Undertoad • Mar 14, 2020 9:23 am
:D extremely white :D
Flint • Mar 14, 2020 6:24 pm
I went to elementary school with a girl named Betsy. Her dad was a doctor.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 15, 2020 1:12 am
We had 2 Betsys and several Carols... oh, and some Karens also.

I saw a video of foreign born residents in the US from 1850 up. I grabbed these screenshots
because it started with Irish miles ahead but coming upon WW I and WW II the large Italian
and German born must have caused some concern.

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The other thing was Mexico lagged. On the list in 1902, didn't pass the Irish until 1940,
and Russians in 1963, but grabbed the lead in 1971 and skyrocketed.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Cu3VGdq3A
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 22, 2020 1:18 am
Seattle is too wet, it rains all the time...
Flint • Mar 22, 2020 2:14 am
It doesn't rain hard in the Pacific Northwest, except for a few days out of the year. But for about 9 months there is a continuous, very fine mist.
Not a lot of "inches" but when it hits you sideways in the face, you have to wipe your face off with a towel every time you make it back to your car.
Flint • Mar 24, 2020 2:05 pm
People are talking about Trump's approval rating in regards to the pandemic.
Is it going up, going down? Nope, still a flat line:
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 24, 2020 2:15 pm
Changing position equals admitting you were wrong. That must be avoided at all costs.
BigV • Mar 24, 2020 2:42 pm
Avoided? Like avoiding sprouting wings and flying around the room? Both are equally likely, equally fantastic. Neither will ever happen.
Undertoad • Mar 24, 2020 4:12 pm
If people are changing position, the graph sure doesn't show it



[size=1][COLOR="Gray"]very quickly, because it is a running average of polls taken over time; we will need to wait another week to see if anyone's position has changed during the last few days[/COLOR][/size]
tw • Mar 24, 2020 5:18 pm
Undertoad;1049240 wrote:
If people are changing position, the graph sure doesn't show it

He could rape a woman on 5th Ave and still get elected president. Says how entrenched his support is. Facts don't matter to adults who are emotional. For the same reason so many were convinced Challenger was an accident. When not one engineer said it was safe to launch.

Propaganda - not facts - are what many believe - religiously.

God said it true. So it must be. God said so. That proves it.

What has happened in the past few days that would change anything?
Undertoad • Mar 24, 2020 5:25 pm
Well, no particular one of us can say. Only the graph can say, if it says anything.
tw • Mar 24, 2020 5:55 pm
Undertoad;1049249 wrote:
Only the graph can say, if it says anything.

It does say one thing. It did not take very long for many people to suddenly discover how unpopular he is.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 24, 2020 6:01 pm
I'm hearing, "He's a disappointment, he's a pig, he's a clown, but I have to vote Republican."
I just shake my head in disbelief. :facepalm:
Flint • Mar 25, 2020 2:35 pm
Things are lookin' great! USA is truly the best at everything.
Undertoad • Mar 25, 2020 3:09 pm
Chart was as of 3/8. Listed US number (1,707 tests) is CDC tests only, when most testing was not done by CDC! Other public health labs had tested about 9,000 by March 8. (source, CDC)

If Business Insider told me that my fly was open, I would not even bother to look down.

Now, the tweet is as of today: 3/25. US has currently tested 400,474 (via COVID Tracking Project)

Business Insider is fake news. Tweet is accurate.

-- signed, your official Donald J. Trump Apologist
Flint • Mar 25, 2020 3:19 pm
The only thing I really wanted to say is, "tests per million" is a smart statistic, while "total number" of tests is a dumb statistic. Trump's "information" is truly meaningless-- 1) comparing the flat total from two different-sized populations, 2) over two arbitrary periods of time.

I could pick eight days from any country where they did more tests than eight weeks from any other country. It's actually the same problem you've pointed out (tweet and article from incomparable times, thus meaningless).
Undertoad • Mar 25, 2020 4:06 pm
But, for the same reason, "tests per million" varies according to when measured. Early in the curve, you don't have as many people to actually test.

But as of Mar. 25, the US has tested 1217 per million. If currently graphed like B.I. did, the US would be 3rd.
Flint • Mar 25, 2020 4:33 pm
is 1217 or 3692 bigger?
granted, at different times (and not knowing where in the curve)

but, Trump: "we're doing SEVEN TIMES BETTER than S.Korea"

or 1/3 as good, but whatever, USA is #1 at everything
Undertoad • Mar 25, 2020 4:36 pm
Ask again in ten days!
Flint • Mar 25, 2020 4:36 pm
this tweet is still dumb in ten days
BigV • Mar 25, 2020 4:48 pm
so, using the numbers from your site, the number of tests per million rises to 23. almost five times better, but equally pathetic.
BigV • Mar 25, 2020 4:52 pm
Undertoad;1049350 wrote:
But, for the same reason, "tests per million" varies according to when measured. Early in the curve, you don't have as many people to actually test.

But as of Mar. 25, the US has tested 1217 per million. If currently graphed like B.I. did, the US would be 3rd.


Early in the curve you don't have as many people to actually test?

What does that mean? We have the same population "early" as we do "later".

The CRUCIAL piece of information you know is missing but haven't put your finger on is that the leadership informing the population about the situation and the importance of testing, "early in the curve", *that is* what was missing.

We had plenty of people, but a deficit of leadership.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2020 5:18 pm
But telling people that getting tested is important when tests aren't available could be worse.
Undertoad • Mar 25, 2020 5:22 pm
BigV;1049364 wrote:
Early in the curve you don't have as many people to actually test?

What does that mean? We have the same population "early" as we do "later".


It means, early in the curve, you don't have as many people who are symptomatic, so you don't test as many people. You only test people who are symptomatic.

Also the test at that time took 3 days to return, so we are looking at time of result, not date of test. First death was Feb 29, do you think we suddenly should have tested 100,000 random people the next day?

The CRUCIAL piece of information you know is missing but haven't put your finger on is that the leadership informing the population about the situation and the importance of testing, "early in the curve", *that is* what was missing.


But the people don't need to know about testing. The doctors do. They don't take direction from the President.

you know is missing but haven't put your finger on


Attack my argument, not me.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 25, 2020 6:01 pm
We need 329 million rectal thermometers.
BigV • Mar 25, 2020 6:13 pm
The part of your ARGUMENT that is missing in order to make sense ....

Your argument posits that the "lack of people" kept the test numbers low. I contend that the lack of leadership kept (almost) all of the people from being tested because they were being told, "you have, what? fifteen people, and in a couple of days that will be close to zero". That is the lack of leadership I speak of. That is what I'm talking about.

If we'd had more/better leadership, telling us truthful, pertinent, factual information, information he had or should have had (Fucking Burr had it, shared it, acted on it), more people would have been motivated to get tested. But no.


This is what I meant by you/your argument sensed/misidentified. I'm not attacking you.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 27, 2020 12:27 am
The less safe parts of you flight.
From an FAA pdf on Aeronautical decision-making (ADM)
Undertoad • Mar 27, 2020 10:16 am
we will need to wait another week to see if anyone's position has changed during the last few days


Three days' worth of rolling average is in and shows the change. I'm not saying this is good or bad or worthy or unworthy. I am looking to understand the world.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

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Gravdigr • Mar 27, 2020 10:22 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1049375 wrote:
We need 329 million rectal thermometers.


No, you need 328,999,999 rectal thermometers, cuz I'm out of here:bolt:
glatt • Mar 28, 2020 8:27 am
How long has the Census been open? Two weeks?

In my immediate neighborhood, tract 1013, 45.7% have already filled out thier forms. That's better than the 30.2% nationwide and 20.6% in West Virginia.

You can really drill down into the local response rates using the search features in the link below.

https://2020census.gov/en/response-rates.html

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Undertoad • Mar 29, 2020 2:07 pm
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Silver lining dep't: if you don't leave your house, you don't get into a car accident, don't have a work accident, don't get shot, are less likely to get the traditional flu, etc. etc.... mortality from OTHER THINGS seems to be way down.

Disclaimer: this is from some guy on Twitter but he claims to get the weekly death numbers from the CDC.
Happy Monkey • Mar 29, 2020 2:36 pm
A point in favor of Solaria.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 30, 2020 12:15 am
Same as Earth except instead of robots we use poor people.
Happy Monkey • Mar 30, 2020 12:27 am
Economically, yeah, but I was referring to the social distancing.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 30, 2020 12:31 am
OK. :thumb:
Undertoad • Mar 30, 2020 10:06 pm
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xoxoxoBruce • Mar 30, 2020 11:58 pm
But plane tickets are so cheap, someone told me today they paid $50 each from Florida to MA.
Hell they could have gone to LA for $12.89... not $12.89 more, just $12.89.

Oh, the logic is if they don't fly and show there's some demand, they won't get the $58 Billion bailout.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 1, 2020 1:16 am
Most are aware a sneeze propels little droplets which can carry all sorts of nasties.
But most don't know the gas cloud from that sneeze may also carry nasties and can travel over 26 ft (8m).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763852
Griff • Apr 1, 2020 7:23 am
Myth Busters did a nice gross bit on that.
Griff • Apr 10, 2020 12:05 pm
Fun with misinterpretation.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 10, 2020 3:18 pm
Nay nay, critical thinking is so last administration dahling. ;)
BigV • Apr 10, 2020 10:10 pm
Griff;1050597 wrote:
Fun with misinterpretation.


More fun!


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Griff • Apr 10, 2020 10:27 pm
Fukin oleo!
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 13, 2020 1:02 am
Hospitalizations from punching walls by age.
xoxoxoBruce • Apr 29, 2020 6:11 am
A new stress map of North America comparing old and new data. Found some places where we definitely should not Frack.
xoxoxoBruce • May 3, 2020 2:11 pm
Tabulated opinion of 157 Presidential Scholars...
fargon • May 3, 2020 2:32 pm
I hope that the small numbers are good.
Griff • May 3, 2020 6:04 pm
Yep.

It would appear that Trump's and our luck has run out.
xoxoxoBruce • May 4, 2020 12:21 am
Keep in mind it's Presidential scholars, not voters.
Happy Monkey • May 5, 2020 3:57 pm
Seems to me that 18 may be generous for Lincoln's luck. Hard to think of a way he was lucky.

Perhaps from the perspective of historians, his dramatic tenure and violent death made him "lucky" enough to leave a much larger mark on history than if he had just had to muddle through an uneventful Presidency.
Griff • May 5, 2020 5:45 pm
Yeah, that was a miserable Presidency. Thanks Buchanan.
xoxoxoBruce • May 6, 2020 12:16 am
For a hick from the sticks it took luck to get to Washington.
While the war was escalating he was lucky not to lose the capital and capitol.
From what I've read about Mary he was lucky to get shot. ;)
xoxoxoBruce • May 6, 2020 4:32 pm
Gas tax
xoxoxoBruce • May 12, 2020 1:31 am
This chart says as of 10 years ago 29.2 miles a year for each inhabitant of the US. I know a shitload of people who ride zero so somebody is out there riding a awful lot of miles. :eyebrow:
Griff • May 12, 2020 7:35 am
Road riding in the US is suicidal. It's too bad because places like the Finger Lakes are amazing to ride and sight see.
BigV • May 12, 2020 12:16 pm
another thing to think about xoB is that once you're astride the bike, it's not that hard to ride a mile. and once you've gone a mile (or more) you're probably gonna want to get back, so there's two right there, eh? of course you know how to ride a bike, how could you forget, right? I'm just sayin, like here, in my area, I don't have easy access to the trails like our resident gearhead above. I *have to* ride on the road if I want to travel on the bike at all unless I go to the hassle of installing the bike rack, loading them up, and traveling to a trail. Even then, I prefer pavement because of the limits of my equipment.
xoxoxoBruce • May 12, 2020 2:07 pm
What do you take me for a slut, I'm not pedaling my ass around town.
Jeeves, bring the Snit around, I'm off. :p:
Diaphone Jim • May 13, 2020 3:29 pm
Part miles, part km.
No China.
Take a lot of math to make it understandable.
xoxoxoBruce • May 14, 2020 1:16 am
No, the chart is all in kilometres, I added a conversion (in another color) for the US distance because that's what we use. It doesn't change the chart, I was addressing the distance (which I find hard to believe) purported to represent every inhabitant.

Why do we need China? First of all it would be impossible to get reasonably accurate numbers. Secondly, they don't have the motor vehicle traffic or roads that reflect the west. It would be apples and oranges.
Happy Monkey • May 19, 2020 10:27 am
Steady decline of coronavirus cases in Georgia!


Wait; look at the dates.
tw • May 19, 2020 10:30 am
Hitler also used similar misinformation techniques. Just saying. (Leaving extremists to maybe learn from history.)
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 14, 2020 5:29 am
First time I've seen the breakdown by age, in this cae PA, of not deaths or hospitalized, just positive cases. Of course lack of testing makes this and every tabulation questionable. :smack:
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 15, 2020 9:57 pm
I'm not sure what to make of this and unfortunately the footnotes which might help weren't with it. But maybe you can work it.
Diaphone Jim • Jun 17, 2020 12:38 pm
Put the shift on.
Griff • Jun 18, 2020 6:59 am
I'm gonna lay it down the third baseline.
Gravdigr • Jun 18, 2020 4:31 pm
Bunt.

Down the third base line.
xoxoxoBruce • Jun 18, 2020 11:03 pm
OK money, everybody likes money. Good for starting fires, lining the bird cage, or [strike]buying se[/strike] hiring short term help.

It comes in 138 lovely pantone shades around the world.

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Of course there's more than just color, there's also the denomination, serial numbers, and pictures.
The pictures are often people, the Queen being #1 by a large margin. Some have animals or buildings along with all the curlicues.

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Much better looking and a lot easier to carry than coins. Image
tw • Jun 19, 2020 10:28 am
Griff;1054092 wrote:
I'm gonna lay it down the third baseline.

So it is now 65 feet to first base (in a metric world). And the pitcher constantly protests those umpire calls.
Griff • Jun 27, 2020 9:05 am
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xoxoxoBruce • Jun 27, 2020 10:17 pm
Eh, they're a bunch of pantywaists. Real men catch it and die free. ;)
Diaphone Jim • Jun 28, 2020 2:54 pm
If Google Images has it right, the graph guy never saw any Aussie money.
It may be the most colorful.
Spexxvet • Jun 29, 2020 9:15 am
and the EU has about 114 million more people than the US
Rhianne • Jun 29, 2020 2:45 pm
Spexxvet;1054531 wrote:
and the EU has about 114 million more people than the US


Minus about sixty-six-and-a-half million now!
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 6, 2020 3:37 am
Think we've seen this before...
BigV • Jul 6, 2020 12:06 pm
Ringtone is its own separate revenue stream?

Now I feel older.
Flint • Jul 6, 2020 2:52 pm
I'm surprised that CD sales are at nearly half of their all-time peak.
I thought, "CDs are dead-- it's all streaming now" ??
Flint • Jul 6, 2020 2:58 pm
The orange line is Trump's Disapproval Rating--an aggregate of all polling sources performed by fivethirtyeight

Note: It is really rare, and REALLY bad for any President to be above 50% disapproval. Trump is the worst-polling President of all time, by a mile.

Note: See where past Presidents disapproval intersects with Trump's, e.g. Carter and H.W. Bush, and then the line ENDS (they don't get re-elected)
glatt • Jul 6, 2020 6:15 pm
Flint;1054881 wrote:
I'm surprised that CD sales are at nearly half of their all-time peak.
I thought, "CDs are dead-- it's all streaming now" ??



You are supposed to look at how thick the CD color is, not how high the top of it is. It goes from being really thick to tapering off to maybe a tenth of its size. CD sales are way down.
Flint • Jul 6, 2020 6:32 pm
Flint;1054881 wrote:
I'm surprised that CD sales are at nearly half of their all-time peak.
I thought, "CDs are dead-- it's all streaming now" ??


glatt;1054901 wrote:
You are supposed to look at how thick the CD color is, not how high the top of it is. It goes from being really thick to tapering off to maybe a tenth of its size. CD sales are way down.


hmmm.. I'm reading an 'X' and a 'Y' axis, with several categories superimposed on top of each other. Could it really be that the "floor" of the 'X' axis moves upwards when there is stuff "underneath" it? If that's what this graph means, someone needs to be fired. Out of a cannon into space.
Griff • Jul 7, 2020 7:39 am
or a catapult.

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Happy Monkey • Jul 7, 2020 9:32 pm
It's a graph of total revenue of the music industry. The colors are how much of that revenue came from each source.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 7, 2020 10:50 pm
You're right, we have to remember Flint is colorblind. ;)

Anyway, This is the US contribution to the WHO budget.
I'd say Europe is a little light.
But four guys from London can't need that much.
glatt • Jul 8, 2020 9:40 am
Flint;1054904 wrote:
hmmm.. I'm reading an 'X' and a 'Y' axis, with several categories superimposed on top of each other. Could it really be that the "floor" of the 'X' axis moves upwards when there is stuff "underneath" it? If that's what this graph means, someone needs to be fired. Out of a cannon into space.


Happy Monkey;1054980 wrote:
It's a graph of total revenue of the music industry. The colors are how much of that revenue came from each source.


You can confirm this by looking at the color for vinyl. In the late 1980s, vinyl tapered off to next to nothing as CDs replaced records. When you look at the chart, vinyl is still that thin black line at the very top. There is no way that vinyl outperformed CDs and everything else all along. There are currently no record stores in my town. Vinyl is dead. But it's still at the top in the chart.
Flint • Jul 8, 2020 1:23 pm
lol Griff

yeah, glatt, Yeah I was able to tease it out by challenging hypotheses :thumbsup:

and now this-- the stonks market grows inversely to 45's re-election :rotflol:
tw • Jul 8, 2020 7:09 pm
Stocks are only reporting what happened four and more years ago. And, of course, the short term emotions.

One trend is obvious. Damage has been done. That short term rally does only undoes some damage. And ends an Obama economy growth:
BigV • Jul 8, 2020 7:13 pm
tw, that chart is kinda crap

why are the y axis labels truncated?

why are there no units of measure / legend?

why does the y axis appear to be non linear?

what the hell are you talking about only four or more years earlier?
Flint • Jul 9, 2020 1:33 pm
BigV;1055011 wrote:
only four or more years earlier?


but also short-term stuff
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 10, 2020 12:58 am
But if you're not doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about, amirite?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 11, 2020 10:38 pm
Air traffic control centers and don't call me Shirley.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 13, 2020 2:24 am
Where has Google Street view covered?
glatt • Jul 13, 2020 7:18 am
That’s a cool map. It still annoys me that Germany banned street view.
tw • Jul 13, 2020 8:09 pm
BigV;1055011 wrote:
what the hell are you talking about only four or more years earlier?

Anyone, with basic economic knowledge, knows that economic data is mostly reporting what was started or ongoing four years previous. So many examples from history demonstrate that. And repeated here often.

The classic example. Stock market crashed in 1929. When were jobs lost? 1933.

Tax cuts tend to create recessions more than 4 years later. As repeated in history including the famous Kennedy tax cut.

Trump's booming economy was simply the legacy of Obama. The Donald, of course, takes credit for everything - his ego gets in the way of honesty.

Carter administration encouraged the Fed to raise interest rates approaching 20%. When did those massive interest rate hikes finally fix stagflation? Around Reagan's fifth year. Economic data rarely reports anything about this year. Exceptions tend to be something so catastrophic as to even immediately affect spread sheets. Such as a nationwide shutdown.

Irrelevant is what axises are. You are expected to know such facts. It is widely and publicly available. Trends are obvious and relevant. Well understood by anyone. Demonstrated even when George Jr was creating major economic damage with his Mission Accomplished war.
tw • Jul 13, 2020 8:13 pm
glatt;1055166 wrote:
It still annoys me that Germany banned street view.

If I read that map correctly, only German states of former West Germany banned street view.
BigV • Jul 13, 2020 9:13 pm
tw;1055182 wrote:
Anyone, with basic economic knowledge, knows---

STOP. just stop.

Irrelevant is what axises are. You are expected to know such facts. It is widely and publicly available. Trends are obvious and relevant. Well understood by anyone. Demonstrated even when George Jr was creating major economic damage with his Mission Accomplished war.


Your post is a big bag of fart. It smells exactly like shit, but has zero real content.

Like this one, identical in every respect, since everybody knows just what the fuck you're talking about.

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tw • Jul 14, 2020 12:55 am
BigV;1055191 wrote:
Your post is a big bag of fart.

It is too complicated for you. So you insults others. That proves your manliness. Just like The Donald.

Where to keep all these egos?
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 18, 2020 5:53 pm
Homes of the "Great American Novels"...

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And UFO sightings...

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fargon • Jul 18, 2020 6:51 pm
What about Wisconsin?
sexobon • Jul 19, 2020 1:10 am
Wisconsin's were identified as flatulent cows that ignited and rocketed across the sky.
fargon • Jul 19, 2020 7:45 am
So that's what that was.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 20, 2020 2:34 am
fargon;1055344 wrote:
What about Wisconsin?


Wisconsin is # 22.
Sorry, I was thinking you were in Minnesota for some reason.
Well in reality I wasn't thinking. :haha:

The latest guess on population, revaluated because of the fertility decline.
xoxoxoBruce • Jul 24, 2020 2:10 am
Of course labeling regions and trying to determine boundaries is a fools errand, but some of the generalizations are applicable.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 8, 2020 8:16 pm
First the weirdest named town in each state.

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And the average height of women in five countries.
For your edification I've added the men for those countries at the bottom.

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Diaphone Jim • Aug 9, 2020 12:19 pm
Today's APOD
The hydrogen in your water is OLD

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap200809.html
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 19, 2020 1:16 am
Where the oil is...
Diaphone Jim • Aug 20, 2020 12:25 pm
I wonder why US oligarchs (oiligarchs?) want to get rid of Maduro.
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 23, 2020 8:13 pm
Where do they get this data?
fargon • Aug 23, 2020 9:20 pm
Nobody refers to their Hoo-Haw as a cucumber around here. Not that I've heard.
Gravdigr • Aug 23, 2020 9:55 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1056893 wrote:
Where do they get this data?


And what year did it come from?!
tw • Aug 24, 2020 11:07 am
Does it really matter what year that joke was written (drawn)?
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 29, 2020 1:29 am
I didn't know water that big would get so warm and this was only July...
xoxoxoBruce • Aug 30, 2020 11:52 pm
An outfit called Legal Templates put these stats together. Apparently they sell lawyers pre-proofed templates for contracts and settlements that have no traps so they don't have to read the fine print.
SteveDallas • Sep 1, 2020 11:57 am
Not a graph or chart, but of interesting historical value to myself and Undertoad and perhaps a few others. (An earlier incarnation of The Cellar was an NNTP relay.)

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xoxoxoBruce • Sep 1, 2020 9:13 pm
I always figured that science was just figuring out how everything works, how we could use that to our advantage, and what to be afraid of.
Gromitspapa • Sep 3, 2020 4:59 pm
Has the Hot vs Crazy Matrix been posted here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 5, 2020 3:56 am
Kids:rolleyes:
Gravdigr • Sep 9, 2020 10:53 pm
Oh, That’s A Cool Map!
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 9, 2020 11:15 pm
Pew pew pew is hard at work, this time the 18 to 29 year olds living with parents.

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The one piece of information they don't know (or didn't publish), which I think is critical, who owns the house or paying the rent? That puts a whole different perspective on it. The number of parents who moved in with kids may be tiny but it's important.
Gravdigr • Sep 11, 2020 4:24 am
xoxoxoBruce;1057781 wrote:
The number of parents who moved in with kids may be tiny but it's important.


It is in my neighborhood.:)
Diaphone Jim • Sep 11, 2020 12:43 pm
Gravdigr;1057778 wrote:
Oh, That’s A Cool Map!


The whole site is cool!
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 13, 2020 10:19 pm
What do we want? More Meat!

When do we want it? 2050!
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 16, 2020 3:18 am
The line between the wetter and dryer parts of the country is migrating...
Griff • Sep 16, 2020 7:13 am
That reminds me of a song.
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Gravdigr • Sep 17, 2020 4:52 pm
This is interesting.
Griff • Sep 17, 2020 5:45 pm
Move North young man.
glatt • Sep 17, 2020 7:45 pm
The fuck? They are pointing right at my house. Stay away! Keep out.
Undertoad • Sep 17, 2020 8:39 pm
My optimal zone is in my pants.
Flint • Sep 18, 2020 6:07 pm
Unfortunately, fertile farming soil doesn't migrate north when the temperature does. One of the near-field threats of climate change is that we all starve to death.
BigV • Sep 18, 2020 6:41 pm
that more northerly soil might already be fertile, but due to currently less than optimal climate conditions, is not as optimally productive.
Griff • Sep 18, 2020 8:42 pm
Canada's playing the long game.
Undertoad • Sep 18, 2020 10:48 pm
GMO to the rescue again
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 19, 2020 2:45 am
Not if you get your seeds by mail. Covid-19 is a GMO SARS
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 22, 2020 11:26 pm
I read at one time Spain claimed 10% of the Earth's land surface, but the English with in the end...
footfootfoot • Sep 23, 2020 7:35 am
Flint;1058219 wrote:
Unfortunately, fertile farming soil doesn't migrate north when the temperature does. One of the near-field threats of climate change is that we all starve to death.

But, but, but, Science! and Chemicals! Monsanto, Bayer -- they'll come to the rescue.


/'casm
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 24, 2020 11:18 pm
Rating cyber capability...
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 29, 2020 12:43 am
The whole damn world is on fire...
footfootfoot • Oct 1, 2020 8:06 am
Wow. Typical American here. I had no idea there were so many fires going on. Also, no idea there were so many other countries.
Griff • Oct 1, 2020 4:05 pm
And, who knew Earth was big?
Gravdigr • Oct 1, 2020 7:14 pm
You'll notice it's flat, too.:right:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 2, 2020 1:45 am
Tornadoes seem to be shifting from the middle of America to the Southeast.
footfootfoot • Oct 4, 2020 10:47 am
xoxoxoBruce;1058862 wrote:
Tornadoes seem to be shifting from the middle of America to the Southeast.

I wonder how many tornado deaths are caused by poor building quality and or non-mask-wearing-safety-is-for-pussies mentality vs we just get really bad tornadoes here?
glatt • Oct 5, 2020 2:47 pm
Texas is where they build houses inside the potential water collection areas created by dams. But yeah, flooding is bad there. It's not the leadership.
tw • Oct 5, 2020 6:14 pm
footfootfoot;1059034 wrote:
I wonder how many tornado deaths are caused by poor building quality ...
A double page picture in Time Magazine showed an entire block flattened after Hurricane Andrew. Notice across the street were houses built (I am told) by Habitat for Humanity. Houses across the street still standing.

Upon closer examination, required blocking was missing where all walls met in corners. So of course those homes fell down. 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Another example had one noticed houses across the street and still standing.

Same kind of questions also exposed murder of seven Challenger and seven Columbia astronauts, trashing of a $328million Mars Climate Orbiter spacecraft, Saddam's WMDs, a pathetic response by all top administration officials on 11 September, Fukushima Daiichi and Three Mile Island, and even a Boeing 737Max. All directly traceable to top management who failed to do their job.

Homes built inside reservoirs - directly traceable to code enforcement officiers (who were denied power to do their job) and builders who knew better. More examples of top management with a Donald Trump attitude.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 6, 2020 4:52 am
tw;1059102 wrote:

Homes built inside reservoirs - directly traceable to code enforcement officiers (who were denied power to do their job) and builders who knew better. More examples of top management with a Donald Trump attitude.
Texas has no codes. :haha:
BigV • Oct 11, 2020 8:46 pm
xoxoxoBruce;1059133 wrote:
Texas has no codes. :haha:


I have heard that about HOUSTON, but Texas? ....hmm
Flint • Oct 11, 2020 8:49 pm
Houston was built underwater, with no drainage ditches.

Golden Bus Tours&#8482; does not go to [Houston].
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 11, 2020 9:15 pm
BigV;1060120 wrote:
I have heard that about HOUSTON, but Texas? ....hmm

Well there's none in Spring, TX, and none in Rowlett, nor Weatherford, as far as I know.