Isn't it NICE!
Isn't it nice how, despite having five (FIVE!) heart attacks, Dick Cheney still has insurance? AND his home? AND the luxury of contemplating whether he wants a transplant or not?
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
What do YOU think is NICE?
I think it's very NICE for Mr Cheney. It's GOOD that he can live to shoot friend's faces, snort derisively, grunt a few times, and keep evil on the right track.
I also think it is really NICE that celebrities can purchase babies. Cost is no object. It's downright LOVELY. ;)
It's NICE that rich white people have problems.
It's NICE that rich white people have problems.
psssst: ix-nay on the
oblems-pray. You'll get ished-way into the ornfield-cay! :eek:
I think it's NICE that David Cameron is going to give people choice again in the NHS and in education.
He's going to ensure that people can have medical treatment where they want to.
This is great, because The Royal Bucks Hospital in Aylesbury used to have an A&E department. I choose to be treated there if I am in need in future.
Also if Dad has heart problems in future he won't be taken to High Wycombe, and then trasferred to Hounslow for the actual operation - he can choose to be treated in Stoke Mandeville hospital which is on the Aylesbury bus route - much more convenient for Mum (and me - I wasn't living here last time).
And it means that the local GP surgery will start taking appointments again. Which will really help Mum & Dad because at the moment they have to go three miles across town (I'm in a newer practice 10 mins walk away - I'll probably transfer back though). Not sure what they're going to do about the dentist that's taken over the old GP surgery though. Or maybe everyone will just cram into the small remaining section which is now a dedicated children's clinic.
AND - parents can choose where to send their children to school.
Yay! No more closure of village schools, no more parents complaining that their child has to travel 5 miles when there is a school in the next road but it's oversubscribed.
Funny, the school I'm at is over-subscribed. I wonder where we will put all the extra children next year? I seem to remember someone saying we were oversubscribed by 50%. Ooh! That's going to be a squeeze!
Funny, the school I'm at is over-subscribed. I wonder where we will put all the extra children next year? I seem to remember someone saying we were oversubscribed by 50%. Ooh! That's going to be a squeeze!
Offer the option to take class via webcast?
Like his Daddy, David Cameron went to Eton, if we really have choice in education let's all choose to send our children there.
Offer the option to take class via webcast?
weed the herd and use the cullings to make healthier school lunches
weed the herd and use the cullings to make healthier school lunches
Those vegan kindergarteners are tasty and low in cholesterol.
Isn't it NICE that people can feel so righteous that they duplicate work because they assume it isn't being done because no-one is as awesome as they are and don't actually bother to ask? Especially when they pick and choose the easy showy bits and don't even consider the real hold-it-all-together jobs. LOVELY indeed. SUPER to be so AWESOME.
Isn't it NICE that people can feel so righteous that they duplicate work because they assume it isn't being done because no-one is as awesome as they are and don't actually bother to ask? Especially when they pick and choose the easy showy bits and don't even consider the real hold-it-all-together jobs. LOVELY indeed. SUPER to be so AWESOME.
I used to work with her. Yeah, she was SUPER. And is still SUPERLY climbing over the backs of those she's stabbed, while she picks the glory projects and toots her own NICE horn. Now she's someone else's DARLING problem.
She's had a sex change op......
She's had a sex change op......
So now she HAS one as well as IS one. :-)
I think she always had an arsehole
I think it's NICE and I take solace in the fact that no one escapes death regardless of welath, social status, whatever. World-wide death rate holding steady at 100%!
I think it's NICE and I take solace in the fact that no one escapes death regardless of welath, social status, whatever. World-wide death rate holding steady at 100%!
...and isnt it nice that some people can afford to hold off death longer than others.
Is someone still promoting the urban legend that Dick Cheney has a heart?
:lol:
It's nice that this thread proves that Class Warfare has not died, even for a minute.
Isn't it NICE Chaney didn't require a heart transplant... just a small bag of Wyoming dirt.
...and isnt it nice that some people can afford to hold off death longer than others.
I shift my gaze to geologic time frames and we all go together in the blink of an eye.
:lol:
It's nice that this thread proves that Class Warfare has not died, even for a minute.
isnt' it NICE how some people have no idea that money can't buy them class? Ignorance is bliss.
I think it's just GREAT that a one-parent family of three making $14,500 a year has more disposable income than a family making $60,000 a year.
linkDo it then if you think its such a windfall.
What BS. My mom did do it, with four children. It wasn't that great, let me tell you.
Isn't it NICE that once a douchebag always a douchebag?
some people are just walking/talking douchebags! and they know who they are!! Which makes them double-secret probation douchebags!!!!!
Do it then if you think its such a windfall.
What BS. My mom did do it, with four children. It wasn't that great, let me tell you.
Amen!
Isn't it NICE that once a douchebag always a douchebag?
some people are just walking/talking douchebags! and they know who they are!! Which makes them double-secret probation douchebags!!!!!
A man?
:lol:
Isn't it NICE that the millionaire owner of a swanky Scottish shopping outlet has been let off losing his driving licence for driving too fast even though he admitted he ought to lose it, and he already has 14 points on his licence, because he "might have to put some of his employees out of work" if he can't drive ....
Isn't it NICE that you'll find any kind of bullshit you want on the internet?
Mr. Fremont: It's snowing outside! Anthony, are you making it snow?
Anthony Fremont: Yes, I'm making it snow.
Mr. Fremont: Why, that'll ruin half the crops! You know that, don't you, half the crops! That's what that... But it's GOOD you're making it snow. It's real good. And tomorrow's going to be a good day too.
Yeah, you little snow-makin' rat bastard. Go ahead, wish me into the cornfield. Ain't like I've never been in a cornfield before. Don't look at me like I've never been in a cornfield.
Do it then if you think its such a windfall.
What BS. My mom did do it, with four children. It wasn't that great, let me tell you.
must... not... make... Kentucky... joke...
Isn't it NICE that the millionaire owner of a swanky Scottish shopping outlet has been let off losing his driving licence for driving too fast even though he admitted he ought to lose it, and he already has 14 points on his licence, because he "might have to put some of his employees out of work" if he can't drive ....
Wouldn't it have been NICE if he had employed an extra person to drive him around?
Our system is weighted to level out economic disparities. What the numbers demonstrate is that at certain income levels, the burden of taxation versus the benefit of government assistance can produce counter-intuitive consequences.
For example, if I make $1000 "too much" a year to qualify to put my kids in pre-school, and have to pay for this expense out-of-pocket, if the market cost is $10,000, then it follows that I take home $8,000 less than a person who makes $1000 just under the income level needed to qualify. Thus a $2,000 economic disparity is magnified by a factor of four, to the effect of punishing the person who has worked harder to get just a little bit ahead.
It is simple math.
Oh, and again, I just LOVE being punished for working harder. It makes me so HAPPY that freeloading acquaintences of mine have 50 Wii games, $1000 fish tanks, TVs twice the size of mine, and the newest iPhone of course.
It's NICE that we have another thread where people can tell us obvious stuff and stuff. It's really NICE when the obvious stuff doesn't come from the same old stuffer. I feel downright warm and FUZZY (see Bri, we've come full circle.) And it's NIIIIICCCCCCCCE.
So, quit your job, go on crazy pay, Flint. I've been considering it. :lol:
For example, if I make $1000 "too much" a year to qualify to put my kids in pre-school, and have to pay for this expense out-of-pocket, if the market cost is $10,000, then it follows that I take home $8,000 less than a person who makes $1000 just under the income level needed to qualify.
Pre-school is where you
choose to spend your money.
I think it's NICE when while washing your hands to prepare dinner you get halfway through and realize you have to pee. lather rinse dry repeat.
For example, if I make $1000 "too much" a year to qualify to put my kids in pre-school, and have to pay for this expense out-of-pocket, if the market cost is $10,000, then it follows that I take home $8,000 less than a person who makes $1000 just under the income level needed to qualify. Thus a $2,000 economic disparity is magnified by a factor of four, to the effect of punishing the person who has worked harder to get just a little bit ahead.
Yabbut, you'll get it all back on your tax return, when your total tax liablility is negative something thousand and something. You're welcome. :p:
I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, because I do understand the concept: remember I see kids just trying to live a good life getting nothing in the way of help, and kids popping out slightly younger kids grabbing all the money they can. :neutral:
Piss in the sink.
i'm in tears lawling!
Isn't it nice that those with more can complain about those with less.
Isn't it nice that those with more can complain about those with a LOT MORE.
Isn't it nice that those with a LOT MORE don't give a damn.
*snip*.... and kids popping out slightly younger kids grabbing all the money they can. :neutral:
i see that so so much at the go kart track. it's sad. really though it's not just the kids. adults doing it too just to get more government cash on their checks. i do remember this: about 6 months ago a little girl, about 13 or 14 came in to ride go karts. she was about to pop. sad.
flint i know what you mean. my situation albeit a little different, i work my ass off yet i'm not eligible for food stamps? wtf? you mean to tell me that baby mama over there can drive an escalade with her 4 kids, 9 to 10 months apart in age mind you, yet i can barely afford rent and food? *sigh*. it's called "working the system." hell just today when Za and i were on our way back from the client he got a phone call from a potential shop employee. he wanted Za to pay him in cash so he could continue to get his unemployment bennies. ffs. really? he was talking to the guy in spanish but i'm pretty bilingual now due to my um. well. ya know. learn what you could to survive there and knowing what people were saying in there it was paramount that you knew when to duck.
Just so's all y'all know..... it's probably more equitable than that in the socialist/commie Uk and environs....
In the UK, yup, you get help on low income, and the more kids you have, the more "benefits" you get, but they're generally not enough to make it an attractive lifestyle for the majority ..and you have to jump through hoops of the sort SG is describing with her jobsearch.
Flint... preschool at $10K? what sort of preschool is this? Private high school doesn't cost a lot more that that here, and I think we have a higher cost of living. Preschool was about $500 for us. Or are you talking daycare?
isnt' it NICE how some people have no idea that money can't buy them class? Ignorance is bliss.
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly! :D
It can buy them spelling lessons
Oh, and again, I just LOVE being punished for working harder. It makes me so HAPPY that freeloading acquaintences of mine have 50 Wii games, $1000 fish tanks, TVs twice the size of mine, and the newest iPhone of course.
Oh, an da new BMW....
flint i know what you mean. my situation albeit a little different, i work my ass off yet i'm not eligible for food stamps? wtf? you mean to tell me that baby mama over there can drive an escalade with her 4 kids, 9 to 10 months apart in age mind you, yet i can barely afford rent and food? *sigh*. it's called "working the system." hell just today when Za and i were on our way back from the client he got a phone call from a potential shop employee. he wanted Za to pay him in cash so he could continue to get his unemployment bennies. ffs. really? he was talking to the guy in spanish but i'm pretty bilingual now due to my um. well. ya know. learn what you could to survive there and knowing what people were saying in there it was paramount that you knew when to duck.
Right the fuck on bro..... I see this shit every day. Insurance company sends you a check for your $14000 surgery and you go out and buy a new truck but don't pay your bill.... I am bleeding with empathy..... not. One business I work for takes three or four of these people to collection court each month.
*snip* One business I work for takes three or four of these people to collection court each month.
and i hope they take their ramen noodles from them and shove them straight up.....need i say more?
I wish it was that easy. But I have heard of more than one have the judge take the car they drove to court in away from them.
Bus fare is a bitch....
no shit!? really? i freakin love that! take the car...rented spinner rims and all! SAWHEET!
Flint... preschool at $10K? what sort of preschool is this?
It's an example, use any numbers. Say two people work for $1 an hour. One person works 9 hours and one person works 11 hours. If everybody with under $10 gets $5 of free preschool, then the person with $9 will have $9 and $5 worth of preschool. The person with $11 will have to pay $5 of his own money for the preschool, and end up with only $6. They both have $5 worth of preschool, but the person who worked two more hours ends up with 3 less dollars. Not to mention the higher taxes the harder worker pays. Those tax dollars pay for the other person's free preschool.
The person that works harder and ends up with less to show for it is going to be pissed.
The person that gets free stuff, and gets to keep his own money, is going to say the system is great!
well put flint. well put.
Well the original graph is gone, because it was originally constructed for the website of a local community weekly, but here it is:
First thing I notice is the minimum wage earner paid $1,225 in Federal income taxes and somehow got a tax credit of $5,020. Obviously that won't happen.
Second thing I notice is this huge number ($16,500) for Medicaid and CHIP. I'm going to go ahead and guess that this is the dues paid, not the amount of services delivered. I'm also going to go ahead and guess that the $60K worker gets health benefits on the job and this was not calculated into the table.
There ya go Flint, I've removed $20K from the minimum wage earner and now they make half what the $60K worker makes. And not only that: a majority of the rest of their spending is strictly dictated on the shittiest possible housing and $500/month of food.
First thing I notice is the minimum wage earner paid $1,225 in Federal income taxes and somehow got a tax credit of $5,020. Obviously that won't happen.
What won't happen? People make money on taxes? I see about 1000 tax returns a year. Total tax liability means nothing. There is profit to be made, presumably made up by those of us with no exemptions whose tax liablity is an actual positive number. You only need to see the line at H & R Block, those getting taxes done as soon as W2 is in hand, so they can get their 4 or 5 grand. I'll be waiting until April 15th, to pay in what my paycheck deductions didn't cover. We ARE the village that raises the children, we just don't all get credit for it, and probably didn't have any hand in the procreation or in the decision-making behind the procreation, or even an orgasm. ;)
May have been off topic but that line caught my eye.
Isn't it NICE to be NICE to the NICE?
now - all ya all - be NICE!
:)
I'm not only NICE, I'm SPECIAL.
I'm not only NICE, I'm SPECIAL.
:)
and probably didn't have any hand in the procreation or in the decision-making behind the procreation, or even an orgasm. ;)
So get out there, have an orgasm or two, pop out a precious little tax deduction, and live high on the dole!
Disclaimer: the tax deduction does not cover the cost of raising a child. It may not even cover the cost of an orgasm. ;)
Second thing I notice is this huge number ($16,500) for Medicaid and CHIP. I'm going to go ahead and guess that this is the dues paid, not the amount of services delivered. I'm also going to go ahead and guess that the $60K worker gets health benefits on the job and this was not calculated into the table.
The $30k job might include health benefits, too. But imagine the equity if everyone's health benefits were covered by Medicaid and CHIP.
It's NICE to have your healthcare completely paid for by someone else.
So get out there, have an orgasm or two, pop out a precious little tax deduction, and live high on the dole!
Disclaimer: the tax deduction does not cover the cost of raising a child. It may not even cover the cost of an orgasm. ;)
Ahh yes, I know this. This is what I'm told: it costs money to raise a child. Yep. And as part of the society I am willing to give to the village (in school taxes and the like) to help with that, to help our society. But no, I don't agree that I have any inherent responsibility in any individual's decision to have a child...
Zero tax liability? I can see that. 5 grand profit? Bullshit. If you can't afford a child then don't have them. Way too many do for taxes and pell grants.
So, the whole "it takes money to raise a child so fork it over" argument has never done anything but stick in my craw. I made my decision: I should get tax credit for not overpopulating the planet with little versions of crazy me. :)
It's an example, use any numbers. Say two people work for $1 an hour. One person works 9 hours and one person works 11 hours. If everybody with under $10 gets $5 of free preschool, then the person with $9 will have $9 and $5 worth of preschool. The person with $11 will have to pay $5 of his own money for the preschool, and end up with only $6. They both have $5 worth of preschool, but the person who worked two more hours ends up with 3 less dollars. Not to mention the higher taxes the harder worker pays. Those tax dollars pay for the other person's free preschool.
The person that works harder and ends up with less to show for it is going to be pissed.
The person that gets free stuff, and gets to keep his own money, is going to say the system is great!
oh I get the numbers, just not the preschool at 10K
Isn't it NICE that you can edit posts hours later? :D
It's an example, use any numbers. Say two people work for $1 an hour. One person works 9 hours and one person works 11 hours. If everybody with under $10 gets $5 of free preschool, then the person with $9 will have $9 and $5 worth of preschool. The person with $11 will have to pay $5 of his own money for the preschool, and end up with only $6. They both have $5 worth of preschool, but the person who worked two more hours ends up with 3 less dollars. Not to mention the higher taxes the harder worker pays. Those tax dollars pay for the other person's free preschool.
The person that works harder and ends up with less to show for it is going to be pissed.
The person that gets free stuff, and gets to keep his own money, is going to say the system is great!
You left out the part about how your taxes are also supporting the guy who makes $1000 an hour to your $1an hour. Even if only one cent of your taxes go to that guy, shouldn't it be just as outrageous to you as the two cents that go to the other guy?
I'm not only NICE, I'm SPECIAL.
special as in corky special or sugar on top special?
If you can't afford a child then don't have them. Way too many do for taxes and pell grants.
i see that way too much at work. i work in a really shitty part of town. like it's not uncommon to hear gun shots on any given night. hell i don't even duck anymore i'm so used to it. anyway, it's not uncommon to see some woman, not married mind you, with 6 or 7 kids. sad. see it way to often. they squeeze'em out just to get more $ from the state.
but at the same time not all people are abusing the system.
The number of Americans receiving food stamps reached 39.68 million in February 2010, the highest number since the SNAP program began in 1939.[4] As of June 2009, the average monthly benefit was $133.12 per person.[5] As of late November 2009, one in eight Americans and one in four children[6] are using food stamps and the program rate is growing at 20,000 people a day.[7] Recipients must have at least near-poverty incomes to qualify for benefits.[8]
from
Wikipediabut at the same time not all people are abusing the system.
And this is why I hold onto my liberal ideals. We have to allow that there will be abuses (though this doesn't mean it couldn't or shouldn't be improved) because of the "greater good."
People will argue with me about the pell methodology (I can figure pell grants by hand with the worksheets and the right information) and I try to explain that its intention is to help the most people, though there will always be exceptions. Then I ask if they have extenuating circumstances for possible appeals. I urge them to write their congressperson explaining the gaps in the system. They're changing things all the time: to help the most they need to hear from the most.
But it is so sad that people are raised in ways I couldn't fathom: that to pop out kids for tax deductions and money is so far down Misguided Alley I can't even see it...but I can't possibly know what their lives have been like.
My ideals are in constant battle.
i tried to get a pell grant to go to school and get my flight instructor ratings. got approved, then two people later on the phone i find out that no. i can't get the grant because the school is not approved. but wait! i can go to cosmetology freakin college with a grant! wtf? something is not right with this picture.
A school needs to participate in Title IV funding (certified by the Dept Of Ed.) It doesn't have anything to do with accreditation, really. I'm not sure what all the school has to do to participate, but I do know it adds a LOT of overhead and costs to the school. Some types of schools just won't or can't do it.
Yes, Marcia's Make-up school might get Title IV funding, and be accredited, but accredited by whom? (Just a cautionary tale: there are lots of kinds of accreditation and many of them don't mean squat for transferring credits, etc.)
yeah i see what you mean it just seems that perhaps the gummint should make it a little easier for schools and/or people to participate. a trade is a trade is a trade imo.
Seriously? If Marcia's Make-up school can do it, I think it's probably the school that either didn't bother or mucked it up. I don't think it's that hard, but they don't hand it to you on a platter. You have to follow strict, and I mean strict, regulations...subject to yearly intensive audit...constantly changing regulations: schools don't just fill out a FAFSA equivalent and wait for word.
I'm sure Embry-Riddle participates in Title IV.
yeah they do. problem is that their tuition is sky high! (pun intended) :)
but schools such as
ATP have a fast track program where they hit you with a fire hose and you get your ratings in 2 weeks. provided you can pass the test of course, for a fraction of what embry-riddle charges.
Ahhh. See, even here one must have declared an 'eligible program' the Dept of Ed (I mean, you taxpayers) doesn't pay for short-term certificates, for instance.
In our neck of the woods $10,000 for preschool or childcare is pretty standard. The cheepest I've found is $7,000 a year and provided to students as availible through the community college. I guess you could pay less for a non licensed person you pay under the table... if you want to trust your child to them.
This is why I stay home... we cannot affor to pay to send 2 kids to preschool. I'd literally be paying to work.
Isn't it NICE that people who work their asses off and make careful decisions and put off instant gratification so they can earn a decent living and put money in savings are constantly made to feel guilty about how "lucky" they are? Yep, that's really NICE, too.
And ditto what Pooka said.
OK, so you mean more what we call day-care than preschool here. That I can understand. And yup, that's one reason I stayed home too.