Moderator Nominations
Time for nominations to elect the 2011 moderators.
I am out.
I nominate clodfobble because she needs something else to do..... :lol:
thanks for all the time you have dedicated to keeping the board at an acceptable level of crap-freeness, xoB :)
I nominate Monster just 'cuz.
Flame me all you want, but I think Merc would be a good choice.
Bruce you have been the finest.
Put the nom nom nominations in the other thread though, the official one, so's I don't miss them.
Bruce you have been the finest.
I completely agree.
You've comforted and prodded and poked (as needed) every Dwellar to make the posting here
a most interesting place, plus all the new topics and images have been remarkable.
Three Cheers !
I'll miss being comforted, prodded, and poked by Bruce...
You've done a great job, Bruce.
Put the nom nom nominations in the other thread though, the official one, so's I don't miss them.
Sorry, I didn't see the other thread.
This can be the Bruce Memorial Thread, then.
Bruce I know you are human, with your own opinions, emotions and reasons to go off at the deep-end. But you have been a particularly moderate moderator and have stood back when you might have squealed in, in one of your funky cars, shot the place up and pissed off over the horizon.
A standing ovation from this little corner of England for the work you've done, and continuing appreciation for taking on the IoTD mantle, which is our main way of hooking interesting new people. Not always simpatico, but interesting :)
Now, does this mean Bad Bruce gets to come out on the board...? Should we expect the peacekeeping gunslinger to become a poop-flinger?
Bullitt, no disrespect (and none meant to Merc either) but you must be kidding.
I don't object because of Merc's politics (Wolf is a fantastic mod and well across the spectrum from me) but he's not exactly the sort to put out fires...
I'm off to the Nom nom nom thread before I can't get my foot out of my mouth.
Bruce has done a great job moderating but the time has come for someone to explain 4 wheel drive to tw. This new project should take about 12 months, so maybe we can draft Bruce after.
I'm off to the Nom nom nom thread before I can't get my foot out of my mouth.
Charming molars.
Charming molars.
Chezzer, get yer coat; you've pulled.
Bruce has been awesome. Big shoes for anyone to fill.
Bruce - Words escape me to describe the job you have done. Incredible, amazing, unbelievable patient and fair.... none of them nor their sum add up to describe how far past excellent you have been.
I applaud you, thank you and ask that you reconsider ... The vast majority, if not all of us, have not known teh cellar without you as a mod.
Bruce, sir, you shall be missed. I hope that all is well, and that you're needing the time to prowl after the ladies.
Chezzer, get yer coat; you've pulled.
Is that some sort of koan?
Is that some sort of koan?
Okay, I got Dana's quote (suggesting I should put on my outer garments as your comment about my lovely teefs signified you wanted to take me out into the night prior to having an extended bout of sexual intercourse with me)... but the koan reference has me scuppered.
I know what a koan is, but after that I'm running blind.
Yes. Three cheers for Bruce. A level head in difficult times.
I am sad to see Bruce bow out but I fully understand. It is a fairly thankless job at times. And Bruce has been a model of the balance between keeping his views separate from his job as a mod. I never had a problem doing that when I did mod on another forum but others did. Well done bruce.
I never had a problem doing that when I did mod on another forum
Of course you didn't -you're Practically Perfect In Every Way!
Bruce you have been the finest.
I completely agree.
You've comforted and prodded and poked (as needed) every Dwellar to make the posting here
a most interesting place, plus all the new topics and images have been remarkable.
Three Cheers !
This can be the Bruce Memorial Thread, then.
Bruce I know you are human, with your own opinions, emotions and reasons to go off at the deep-end. But you have been a particularly moderate moderator and have stood back when you might have squealed in, in one of your funky cars, shot the place up and pissed off over the horizon.
A standing ovation from this little corner of England for the work you've done, and continuing appreciation for taking on the IoTD mantle, which is our main way of hooking interesting new people. Not always simpatico, but interesting :)
Dittoes across the board. Thank you sir.:notworthy
BTW, this can
only be bad...
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Of course you didn't -you're Practically Perfect In Every Way!
Hardly perfect enough for you. Just perfect enough for me and those really important in my life. ;)
Hardly perfect enough for you. Just perfect enough for me and those really important in my life. ;)
Sorry merc, You didn't deserve that. It was mean spirited as usual. :(
Completely not important. I know what is important in my life. Opinions of me on The Cellar are not one of them. Opinions of me outside of my circle of importance are not important or relevant to me. I have no ill will towards Mony. Peace.
... I have no ill will towards Mony. Peace.
Well said my former brother-in-arms. Permit me to continue the sentiment:
Feel alright, Mony Mony
All right, Mony Mony
So fine, Mony Mony
Well I feel all right
(Mony Mony)
I said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
(Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
Okay, I got Dana's quote (suggesting I should put on my outer garments as your comment about my lovely teefs signified you wanted to take me out into the night prior to having an extended bout of sexual intercourse with me)... but the koan reference has me scuppered.
I know what a koan is, but after that I'm running blind.
Just meant that I was perplexed by Dana's entire comment. I've since figured it out.:blush:
Completely not important. I know what is important in my life. Opinions of me on The Cellar are not one of them. Opinions of me outside of my circle of importance are not important or relevant to me. I have no ill will towards Mony. Peace.
:lol2:
Why is that funny to you?
Same reason this was funny to you, I guess, honey poopy-kins. :lol2:
http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?t=24245&page=2What? Because I thought your comment was pretty witty and funny to boot? Did you think it was a dig on you?
Honestly, yes. I expect that most of the time. No comment, just laughing at my comment, from someone who can't stand me anyway. I know the current wave of the cellar is that you are the kindest and most gentle of them all, but I can only react to my experience.
If I was wrong, I apologize.
Honestly, yes. I expect that most of the time. No comment, just laughing at my comment, from someone who can't stand me anyway. I know the current wave of the cellar is that you are the kindest and most gentle of them all, but I can only react to my experience.
If I was wrong, I apologize.
It was just as I stated. Not a dig. I have never tried to be "the kindest and most gentle of them all" anywhere in my life, so I am not sure where you got that from.
Sorry merc, You didn't deserve that. It was mean spirited as usual. :(
How in the hell is a quote from Mary Poppins mean-spirited? Is she a loud-mouthed ranting dyke too? You should ease up on your paranoia and take a few :chill: It was funny, not mean-spirited and perfectly inkeeping with the tongue-in-cheek tone of the board. Or at least the board as it used to be before the whiny incestuous mutually-masturbatory cretins of fluff infected it. TFG no-one has the insanity to nominate you as a moderator. The few remaining people of character would leave in droves. Oh wait, they mostly did.
cue the usual suspects with a new nomination just to prove a point :rolleyes:
Hush, monster. You'll get wished into the cornfield!
:bolt:
Good. At least there I might find some sharp edges and can cast off the hazmat waders I currently need to help me negotiate the artificially peach-and-vanilla scented swamp of regurgitate-reminiscent slime that currently passes for banter in here.
Yes, I have fond recollections of fun, as well.
Now I'm going to go plant some Lollipop Trees near the Ingratiating Garden, right in front of Fawning Forest, lest I become confused for a ranting dyke.
What? Did I miss something?
What? Did I miss something?
Go back to sleep, darling. It was all just a bad dream. Everything is fine. :comfort:
OK.
:dead3: (Couldn't find sleeping smiley.)
How in the hell is a quote from Mary Poppins mean-spirited?
cue the usual suspects with a new nomination just to prove a point
Here ya go... I'll knowingly bite.
Monnie - you ignorant slut.
Now given the excuse you used, don't take any offense,
even though it
IS intended,
because its a SNL reference. She never saw the barb coming.
:lol2:
Here's a joke: what's the difference between "practically perfect" and "ignorant slut?"
I don't know, it's to obscure.
She never saw past the tears.
:lol2:
Good. At least there I might find some sharp edges and can cast off the hazmat waders I currently need to help me negotiate the artificially peach-and-vanilla scented swamp of regurgitate-reminiscent slime that currently passes for banter in here.
Yes, I have fond recollections of fun, as well.
Now I'm going to go plant some Lollipop Trees near the Ingratiating Garden, right in front of Fawning Forest, lest I become confused for a ranting dyke.
are you saying you have more fun when the banter is less civil? that the current tone, the current lack of hostilities is unpleasant for you?
Either way, they wouldn't be here unless they were having fun and we all know what FUN is [COLOR="White"]... Frequency, Urgency, & Nocturia.[/COLOR]
are you saying you have more fun when the banter is less civil? that the current tone, the current lack of hostilities is unpleasant for you?
Well, peaceful easy being, it's not the lack of hostilities (if you don't see the underlying hostility you're as snowed as most) but the inability to joke around anymore. It's all so plastic and phony, which works really well for shit in disguise followed by mind-blowing ass smooching. Oh yes, this is the epitome of polite society, but it's hardly real life.
And for the record, very seldom does anyone respond to me if I'm saying something I think is relevant (YOU? YOU have nothing to say!) or extending a compliment...mostly, unless you either whine a lot or offer thinly veiled pompous musings does anyone pay attention. I could call someone a liberal socialist idgit who apparently knows nothing, but unless I'm sitting on the Pedestal of Honor (currently occupied by the snarkiest of them all, a phenom I can only attribute to the aforementioned mind-blowing ass smooching) the flames of death and destruction would scorch me beyond recognition.
In other words, lighten up. :D
are you saying you have more fun when the banter is less civil? that the current tone, the current lack of hostilities is unpleasant for you?
What started as a straw man is now a red herring? or was that red herring first then the straw man tactic?
Either way, it was stunning!
Sky, you may not be aware of it, but there are a lot of well-deserved hard feelings towards Merc based on his past behavior. I was even a target of his once - he called me a cunt, along with a couple other strongly opinionated liberal women. I don't care how nice he comes off now, that stuff is hard to forget and he just isn't trusted.
Sky, you may not be aware of it, but there are a lot of well-deserved hard feelings towards Merc based on his past behavior. I was even a target of his once - he called me a cunt, along with a couple other strongly opinionated liberal women. I don't care how nice he comes off now, that stuff is hard to forget and he just isn't trusted.
Yea, it goes both ways. But I am over it... and have been for a long time.
@ Pico (and interrupted by the sham-wows) She's fully aware. She just thinks she's in the new and improved treehouse. People will go to any length to think they have some kind of insider track, but as you point out, Pico, that isn't a track that is trustworthy or honest. Keep playing in your little treehouse of lollipops, kiddo. We'll just sit here and wait for the cunt-calling and dyke-calling to start again.
It's always only a matter of time, when you lie all the time about what and who you are, it catches up sooner or later. No matter how many cutesy thumbsy-upsy smilies y'all throw around, there are a few of us who aren't smitten because someone sent us a PM or posted on the board about how just lovely hunky dorey we are. Most people are suckers for even the phoniest of ass-kissing, though. Probably trying to capture something they didn't get in HS.
We'll just sit here and wait for the cunt-calling and dyke-calling to start again.
Cunt :P
Sky, you may not be aware of it, but there are a lot of well-deserved hard feelings towards Merc based on his past behavior. I was even a target of his once - he called me a cunt, along with a couple other strongly opinionated liberal women. I don't care how nice he comes off now, that stuff is hard to forget and he just isn't trusted.
I have up and down relationships with most people on here, esp those with very partisan views when it comes to some few areas of politics. But I hold no grudge to you. Hey, how long ago was that exchange? 2 years? If you remain that offended to someone calling you a name, then I apologize. You deserve that much from me. But I don't let my disagreements with people prevent me from having other relationships or discussions on unrelated topics. As I recall we have had a number of other civil discussions and I never new you were so jaded by me because of something I said to you a long time ago, most likely when we were having a heated discussion over some political issue. Again I apologize if you were that offended.
"I'm sorry you were so offended" is what I would call a back-handed apology. As in: it's your fault you were so offended and I'm sorry about that. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I would love things to be normaler, with normal people experiencing normal (and human emotions run the gamut so "normal" doesn't always seem "normal") emotions and sharing them with folks without walking on eggshells out of fear of upsetting the delicate balance and "not being wished into the cornfield." It's a GOOD life. Ugh.
And Dana? Thank you thank you thank you. That's the most honest thing I've heard all day. It was actually refreshing. I'm the cuntiest! :blush:
Merc, I would have developed the same opinion of you even without you adding me to your hit list. Its only recently that you started cleaning up your act...and I attribute that to the results of the last election and maybe on that recent cellar intervention. If you maintain, then good for you.
"I'm sorry you were so offended" is what I would call a back-handed apology. As in: it's your fault you were so offended and I'm sorry about that.
It was more than a year ago and I had no idea she was so put off by it. So I apologized. Why do you get to judge what I said as "a back-handed apology"? And where did I indicate that it was "your fault you were so offended"? I only pointed out that it was most likely due to a discussion of politics and I reacted to something said. Never said it was her fault, only that it was my response.
Merc, I would have developed the same opinion of you even without you adding me to your hit list. Its only recently that you started cleaning up your act...and I attribute that to the results of the last election and maybe on that recent cellar intervention. If you maintain, then good for you.
I have no "Hit List".
I have up and down relationships with most people on here, esp those with very partisan views when it comes to some few areas of politics. But I hold no grudge to you. Hey, how long ago was that exchange? 2 years? If you remain that offended to someone calling you a name, then I apologize. You deserve that much from me. But I don't let my disagreements with people prevent me from having other relationships or discussions on unrelated topics. As I recall we have had a number of other civil discussions and I never new you were so jaded by me because of something I said to you a long time ago, most likely when we were having a heated discussion over some political issue. Again I apologize if you were that offended.
Merc, I don't want to argue semantics with you. It's how I perceived the bolded above. It's an old communication trick, apologizing because someone got hurt not because you did the hurting (not saying anyone was hurt or not hurt but am trying to get the convo away from the whole cunt mess) is typically a little dance step to avoid any actual apology. Not just "I'm sorry, I was an ass" but "I'm sorry you were offended that I was an ass."
It's not my apology to accept or reject anyway. I hope you are sincere. I'm not judging: again, I'm not on the eggshells and never will be. I'm sorry if you were so offended that you thought I thought you were offended that I was defending the offended when in fact the offended had every right, through no fault of the offended's own, to be offended by the offense laid before her...not because of some inherent problems in the offended's perception of offense but because the offense was pretty fucking offensive. Or something.
What I meant was the list people in the politics forum who you had no qualms about insulting and you often went to the insulting tactic pretty quickly. You may have conveniently compartmentalized your political discussions, but on a board like this it is hard for other people to do so.
I have an "I'd hit that" list. And you are all on it. yeah, baby.
/austin powers
I could go for a hit right now but not the kind you're thinking of.
Unless you're Gravdigr then you know what kind I'm thinking of. :joint:
No, but I knew the kind you were thinking of.
You're Carnac The Magnificent!
What I meant was the list people in the politics forum who you had no qualms about insulting and you often went to the insulting tactic pretty quickly. You may have conveniently compartmentalized your political discussions, but on a board like this it is hard for other people to do so.
Ok, I accept that.
Merc, I don't want to argue semantics with you. It's how I perceived the bolded above. It's an old communication trick, apologizing because someone got hurt not because you did the hurting (not saying anyone was hurt or not hurt but am trying to get the convo away from the whole cunt mess) is typically a little dance step to avoid any actual apology. Not just "I'm sorry, I was an ass" but "I'm sorry you were offended that I was an ass."
It's not my apology to accept or reject anyway. I hope you are sincere. I'm not judging: again, I'm not on the eggshells and never will be. I'm sorry if you were so offended that you thought I thought you were offended that I was defending the offended when in fact the offended had every right, through no fault of the offended's own, to be offended by the offense laid before her...not because of some inherent problems in the offended's perception of offense but because the offense was pretty fucking offensive. Or something.
I am not trying to "trick" anyone. I am not doing any "little dance step". How can you say I avoided any apology when I just did so?
I stopped being offended by you years ago.
I accept that you have your own perceptions about what transpired between me and Pico or anyone else on this Forum. As long as you accept that not everyone agrees with you and you only speak for yourself. Each individual should do that and you shouldn't judge me based on who I do or do not get along with in the politics thread.
You've missed every point I've made. Sigh. IT'S an old communication trick. YOU and IT are not interchangeable. I still feel it holds true but was giving you the benefit of the doubt that my perception could be wrong.
Yet you come back with: but but but you are speaking for yourself.
I was speaking for no one but me, though I have no problems rising up in defense of people I admire, if need be. And the need, it has be, it has be very much, in the past.
No, I only judge people by how they treat me. Let's take that statement back a notch: I will form opinions, too, when I still see dismissive name-calling (socialist POV. You're forgiven) no matter how purty you make it.
But from a ME standpoint: In the past, and in the present, it's been A-Dog-Number-One-Crap, from you, to me.
I don't care. I'm just not going to crawl around the Emperor's New Throne. I might fart on it, though. :lol:
At the risk of tromping in where I shouldn't...
I am sorry if I offended you -v- I am sorry if you were offended.
There is a distinct difference between the two. One denotes an action by the person apologising (giving offence) whilst the other, in its passive form, places the action elsewhere (being offended).
It is a semantic difference; but semantics are important. The passive usage of verbs is there for a reason; it fulfils a particular linguistic need.
I made a mistake -v- a mistake was made.
You may not have intended, deliberately to remove blame from yourself within your apology, but the language you used to express your apology did exactly that.
Whoever becomes the new moderator will actually have to read through this kind of drivel on a fairly regular basis; so, I'm going to vote for someone I don't like. BTW, has Shawnee123 been nominated yet?
No, I only judge people by how they treat me. In the past, and in the present, it's been A-Dog-Number-One-Crap, from you, to me.
So that allows you to ignore your responsibility in our exchanges? And so what you are saying is that I am the only one that has given you "A-Dog-Number-One-Crap" from me to you??? And so you don't think that I have not also judged people how they treat me, based solely on disagreements in political or current event issues?
I'm very honest. I KNOW I'm a hothead. Also, I'm not dishonest (read: phony) and expect all will be forgiven if I just brush some nicey nicey juice over all the right people, or paint the floors a lovely shade of chartreuse. I never shirked responsibility. I react how I react. But merc, if it makes you feel better, I'm sorry that you got so offended that you think I wasn't being responsible. ;)
Whoever becomes the new moderator will actually have to read through this kind of drivel on a fairly regular basis; so, I'm going to vote for someone I don't like. BTW, has Shawnee123 been nominated yet?
n-b-x-s, I wouldn't moderate your ass out of a paper bag. Have you been nominated yet? Go back to happy land. This whole thing started a long time ago because the faint-hearted liked to faint instead of using the ignore button. "Quit giving so much attention to those who argue because it's making me sad as I give so much attention to those who argue by whining about the arguing instead of ignoring it." Yeah, that makes sense.
I'm very honest.
I am doing the same now.
I KNOW I'm a hothead.
I know I can be when it comes to certain issues in politics and current events.
Also, I'm not dishonest (read: phony) and expect all will be forgiven if I just brush some nicey nicey juice over all the right people, or paint the floors a lovely shade of chartreuse. I never shirked responsibility. I react how I react.
And I don't believe that I am one bit different. I have apologized when I thought it mattered and was important. And I have not when it was not important to me.
But merc, if it makes you feel better, I'm sorry that you got so offended that you think I wasn't being responsible.
I don't want or expect any apology from you. I attribute your posting style to you just being you, whether it is personally offensive to me or not. And as I said earlier you stopped personally offending me years ago.
n-b-x=s, I wouldn't ...
Lisa, check this out: Moderators Shawnee123 and her animal spirit guide wolf.
Has a nice ring to it doesn't it?
I'm no wolf. I'm no mod. Nom-nom-nominating me falls under joke noms. I respectfully decline the nom.
And with that: I feel better for having this honest discussion. THanks, even though uncomfortable for some probably, sweeping under carpets just makes my carpets lumpy and insanical.
crassic: ow, my feelings. I'm so offended. Seriously, sticks and stones. And you really actually have to give a fuck about what someone thinks for them to be able to hurt you. Big Vajajay, you are a prime example of the fake sincerety gushers that have overwhelmed this board, no wonder you can't see the problem. Dana, you cunt. Shawnee, you slapper. Merc, you jerk. did I miss anyone? :lol: I nominate Pico.
Maybe this explains a lot about our differences... :D
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I dont get why everyone is finding that so funny. It's just more of the same bullshit about males and females, based on the usual stereotypes and pseudo scientific understandings of gender. Most of what he says about men can equally apply to me and other women I know, and what he says about women can equally apply to many blokes I know.
I am perfectly happy doing nothing. I am quite happy seeing a guy do nothing. I can go off for fucking hours and not be able to tell you what thoughts have been in my mind.
The more work is done on how the brain develops and functions, the more we see that elasticity is the key factor. Though there are differences between 'male' and 'female' brains, few of them are innate (born into) many are produced by the way our brains develop according to our upbringing. More and more, neuroscientists are able to show that there are often greater distinctions between individual brains regardless of gender than there are between the sexes. On top of that we have begun to understand that it is not as simple as man=male brain and woman=female brain: but rather that we all exist somewhere on a scale with 'male' and 'female' traits in both.
From an article about recent work on the subject:
It is the mainstay of countless magazine and newspaper features. Differences between male and female abilities – from map reading to multi-tasking and from parking to expressing emotion – can be traced to variations in the hard-wiring of their brains at birth, it is claimed.
Men instinctively like the colour blue and are bad at coping with pain, we are told, while women cannot tell jokes but are innately superior at empathising with other people. Key evolutionary differences separate the intellects of men and women and it is all down to our ancient hunter-gatherer genes that program our brains.
The belief has become widespread, particularly in the wake of the publication of international bestsellers such as John Gray's Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus that stress the innate differences between the minds of men and women. But now a growing number of scientists are challenging the pseudo-science of "neurosexism", as they call it, and are raising concerns about its implications. These researchers argue that by telling parents that boys have poor chances of acquiring good verbal skills and girls have little prospect of developing mathematical prowess, serious and unjustified obstacles are being placed in the paths of children's education.
In fact, there are no major neurological differences between the sexes, says Cordelia Fine in her book Delusions of Gender, which will be published by Icon next month. There may be slight variations in the brains of women and men, added Fine, a researcher at Melbourne University, but the wiring is soft, not hard. "It is flexible, malleable and changeable," she said.
In short, our intellects are not prisoners of our genders or our genes and those who claim otherwise are merely coating old-fashioned stereotypes with a veneer of scientific credibility. It is a case backed by Lise Eliot, an associate professor based at the Chicago Medical School. "All the mounting evidence indicates these ideas about hard-wired differences between male and female brains are wrong," she told the Observer.
"Yes, there are basic behavioural differences between the sexes, but we should note that these differences increase with age because our children's intellectual biases are being exaggerated and intensified by our gendered culture. Children don't inherit intellectual differences. They learn them. They are a result of what we expect a boy or a girl to be."
Thus boys develop improved spatial skills not because of an innate superiority but because they are expected and are encouraged to be strong at sport, which requires expertise at catching and throwing. Similarly, it is anticipated that girls will be more emotional and talkative, and so their verbal skills are emphasised by teachers and parents.
The latter example, on the issue of verbal skills, is particularly revealing, neuroscientists argue. Girls do begin to speak earlier than boys, by about a month on average, a fact that is seized upon by supporters of the Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus school of intellectual differences.
However, this gap is really a tiny difference compared to the vast range of linguistic abilities that differentiate people, Robert Plomin, a professor at the Institute of Psychiatry in London, pointed out. His studies have found that a mere 3% of the variation in young children's verbal development is due to their gender.
"If you map the distribution of scores for verbal skills of boys and of girls you get two graphs that overlap so much you would need a very fine pencil indeed to show the difference between them. Yet people ignore this huge similarity between boys and girls and instead exaggerate wildly the tiny difference between them. It drives me wild," Plomin told the Observer.
This point is backed by Eliot. "Yes, boys and girls, men and women, are different," she states in a recent paper in New Scientist. "But most of those differences are far smaller than the Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus stereotypes suggest.
"Nor are the reasoning, speaking, computing, emphasising, navigating and other cognitive differences fixed in the genetic architecture of our brains.
"All such skills are learned and neuro-plasticity – the modifications of neurons and their connections in response experience – trumps hard-wiring every time."
The current popular stress on innate intellectual differences between the sexes is, in part, a response to psychologists' emphasis of the environment's importance in the development of skills and personality in the 1970s and early 1980s, said Eliot. This led to a reaction against nurture as the principal factor in the development of human characteristics and to an exaggeration of the influence of genes and inherited abilities. This view is also popular because it propagates the status quo, she added. "We are being told there is nothing we can do to improve our potential because it is innate. That is wrong. Boys can develop powerful linguistic skills and girls can acquire deep spatial skills."
In short, women can read maps despite claims that they lack the spatial skills for such efforts, while men can learn to empathise and need not be isolated like Mel Gibson's Nick Marshall, the emotionally retarded male lead of the film What Women Want and a classic stereotype of the unfeeling male that is perpetuated by the supporters of the hard-wired school of intellectual differences.
This point was also stressed by Fine. "Many of the studies that claim to highlight differences between the brains of males and females are spurious. They are based on tests carried out on only a small number of individuals and their results are often not repeated by other scientists. However, their results are published and are accepted by teachers and others as proof of basic differences between boys and girls.
"All sorts of ridiculous conclusions about very important issues are then made. Already sexism disguised in neuroscientific finery is changing the way children are taught."
So should we abandon our search for the "real" differences between the sexes and give up this "pernicious pinkification of little girls", as one scientist has put it?
Yes, we should, Eliot insisted. "There is almost nothing we do with our brains that is hard-wired. Every skill, attribute and personality trait is moulded by experience."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/15/girls-boys-think-same-wayHmmmm.... I guess we just have different experiences in life. Because I find it to be pretty accurate. Guys keep things separate. Women do not. IMHO. I have heard it over and over all my life. My wife was in a predominately male dominated job the first 10 years we were married, I am in a predominately female dominated job and specialize in womens health. I find it to be pretty accurate and so did my wife. Men and women deal with conflict very differently. Men compartmentalize emotions more often. But as I said from the outset, we may have just had different life experiences. It does not make either one of us wrong.
Well, it explains why the male dominated government its having so many problems. :D
Yea, they keep all their problems in the "empty" box. :lol:
Hmmmm.... I guess we just have different experiences in life. Because I find it to be pretty accurate. Guys keep things separate. Women do not. IMHO. I have heard it over and over all my life. My wife was in a predominately male dominated job the first 10 years we were married, I am in a predominately female dominated job and specialize in womens health. I find it to be pretty accurate and so did my wife. Men and women deal with conflict very differently. Men compartmentalize emotions more often. But as I said from the outset, we may have just had different life experiences. It does not make either one of us wrong.
Sorry. I just get pissed off by some of the scienctific studies that get trotted out around this stuff, that basically try to suggest these differences are all innate. They're not. They're a product of environment. Which means that they are not universal.
It strikes me also, that if you are in a predominately female profession, then it is a profession that will naturally lend itself to a particular skill set which we nost normally class as feminine: consequently more traditionally feminine women are likely to be in that area of work. By the same token, if an occupation is predominately male, then it is likely to make use of, and therefore attract a traditionally masculine skillset and therefore will be full of traditionally masculine men.
Steroetypes often do apply, that's how they become stereotypes. But they are exaggerated to the point where they become a lie. Large numbers of women and large numbers of men would find themselves somewhat excluded from those jokes if they were told to a truly representative segment of gender character types.
I just get a little pissed off. I get this shit fed back to me by people who genuinely believe that women are less capable of reason than men, because they are more emotional creatures.
Sorry. I just get pissed off by some of the scienctific studies that get trotted out around this stuff, that basically try to suggest these differences are all innate. They're not. They're a product of environment. Which means that they are not universal.
I agree generally but I do think that some of the observations as differences between the sexes have merit on general terms.
It strikes me also, that if you are in a predominately female profession, then it is a profession that will naturally lend itself to a particular skill set which we nost normally class as feminine: consequently more traditionally feminine women are likely to be in that area of work. By the same token, if an occupation is predominately male, then it is likely to make use of, and therefore attract a traditionally masculine skillset and therefore will be full of traditionally masculine men.
Yes. And it is interesting to both me and my wife, being opposite sexes in other sex predominate professions, that many of these observations are in fact true. But I don't see it as a block to advancement or function in various jobs. I only note the biggest difference seen by both of us is how men and women generally deal with conflict.
Steroetypes often do apply, that's how they become stereotypes. But they are exaggerated to the point where they become a lie. Large numbers of women and large numbers of men would find themselves somewhat excluded from those jokes if they were told to a truly representative segment of gender character types.
I don't know that I agree they become a lie, more that they become overly exaggerated.
I just get a little pissed off. I get this shit fed back to me by people who genuinely believe that women are less capable of reason than men, because they are more emotional creatures.
Well as a father of two grown daughters and a wife with a professional degreee, I don't believe that.
One of the reasons I jumped on this is because I just had a conversation with a 23 year old lad (on my other forum) about exactly that. Started out with some trite observation about girl gamers, but we then got into a serious conversation.
One of the features of gaming communities is that they tend to be primarily male, and primarily young. There are a few women there, and there's a decent contingent of over 25s, but on the whole it's a young man's environment.
The catcalling, wolf whistling, demands for pics of tits etc are to be expected, and are ironic and funny about 80% of the time. Likewise deliberate misogyny and provocation of the chicks is to be expected.
What i have found quite shocking, is the amount of these young men who really do believe that women are innately less skilled, less rational, more manipulative, more fickle, more emotional, less trustworthy than men. There are older men making the same arguments, guys my age who think that we really are that different and that measurable. They can be lovely and we talk about all sorts of stuff, but scratch the surface and have a serious conversation about it and some really troubling sentiments emerge.
The reason I find it slightly shocking is that this is something that appears to have gone backwards. I see it more now than I did when I was gaming in the early noughties.
Well as a father of two grown daughters and a wife with a professional degreee, I don't believe that.
That's a unique appeal to authority ! Don't think I've ever used that one.
Of course as a father of THREE grown daughters and....
Ummm, never mind ;)
I can only go off my own experience. As a female.
Just as a slightly trite aside:
Well as a father of two grown daughters and a wife with a professional degreee, I don't believe that.
I asume that you are missing the word 'with' and are not actually characterising yourself in a parental relationship with your wife. :p
I just get a little pissed off. I get this shit fed back to me by people who genuinely believe that women are less capable of reason than men, because they are more emotional creatures.
You get pissed off because you are an emotional creature?
I'll miss being comforted, prodded, and poked by Bruce...
Me too.
Pow! To the moon, alice.
Hi jinx. That made me laugh.
I can only go off my own experience. As a female.
Just as a slightly trite aside:
I asume that you are missing the word 'with' and are not actually characterising yourself in a parental relationship with your wife. :p
Yea, you would be making a huge mistake if you ASS-u-med that....
That's a unique appeal to authority ! Don't think I've ever used that one.
Of course as a father of THREE grown daughters and....
Ummm, never mind ;)
And where is a "unique appeal to authority!" being exercised? Please explain....
As I said, I've not before used the number of daughters, their age, or my wife's college attainments
as a way to convince others that my beliefs are correct.
But since I have 3 daughters and you have only 2, my authority must therefore be higher than yours. Right ?
On the other hand, it probably is like a bad joke...
if you have to explain it, it ain't funny.
I thought it was funny. but then we all know about my SOH.....
crassic: ow, my feelings. I'm so offended. Seriously, sticks and stones. And you really actually have to give a fuck about what someone thinks for them to be able to hurt you. Big Vajajay, you are a prime example of the fake sincerety gushers that have overwhelmed this board, no wonder you can't see the problem. Dana, you cunt. Shawnee, you slapper. Merc, you jerk. did I miss anyone? :lol: I nominate Pico.
well monster, back in the penalty box for you. I am offended by your name calling. As for your assertion that I gush fake sincerity... you know what they say about making an assertion--you can take that ignorant shit and an insert it right up your ass.
and I mean that most sincerely.
The Hoff?
That picture is fucking hypnotic:P
Yea, you would be making a huge mistake if you ASS-u-med that....
Gah. I made a typo. I missed an S.
You get pissed off because you are an emotional creature?
lulz.
OK, I know what SOH is but what is HOF?
you need me to post that again?
No, not the Hoff again. That man makes me want to barf. :shudder:
Do some women really find that man attractive? I mean, ew ew ewwwwwwww. Bleh. Yuck.
well monster, back in the penalty box for you. I am offended by your name calling. As for your assertion that I gush fake sincerity... you know what they say about making an assertion--you can take that ignorant shit and an insert it right up your ass.
and I mean that most sincerely.
I do hope this means I'm back on ignore. For some unfathomable reason you seem to feel I should desire your approval. Rest assured nothing is further from the truth, so we can both be happy about your
sincerity :) [COLOR="PaleTurquoise"]:shudder:[/COLOR]
Hall of Fame?
Oh, duh! I'm not only merely duh, I'm really most sincerely duh.
So solly!
you can take that ignorant shit and an insert it right up your ass.
and I mean that most sincerely.
That was gold. Just for what it was, and from whom, not necessarily to whom.
I found it unexpectedly refreshing from BigV. The next thing to work on is getting a similar response from Glatt.
I could type similar words, but there wouldn't be any feeling behind them, other than amusement. I'd be laughing as I type them.
You don't reek of phony, either.
I could type similar words, but there wouldn't be any feeling behind them, other than amusement. I'd be laughing as I type them.
Similar words, yes. But the order is just as important!
You don't reek of phony, either.
:D
Cat. Window. Bowl.
Shut out? Shut up? Bowl me over? Cat got your tongue? You pussy? Furry McDooralot? Cat on a Snot Spin Goof?
I don't get it.
I googled "Saucer of milk"
as in "Can I get you a saucer of milk?" ;)
Furry McDooralot FTW!
LOL!
Sorry, I can't seem to put 2 and 2 together these days.
:cheshirecatsmilie:
Break out the broad spectrum antibiotics, stat!
It's been a month, and what was "the artificially peach-and-vanilla scented swamp
of regurgitate-reminiscent slime that currently passes for banter " has slid into February's cesspool.
Maybe some have long waders, or like it better.
It's just not for me...
Take care.
Peace.
It's been a month, and what was "the artificially peach-and-vanilla scented swamp
of regurgitate-reminiscent slime that currently passes for banter " has slid into February's cesspool.
Maybe some have long waders, or like it better.
It's just not for me...
Take care.
Peace.
I've been thinking the same.
It's been a month, and what was "the artificially peach-and-vanilla scented swamp
of regurgitate-reminiscent slime that currently passes for banter " has slid into February's cesspool.
Maybe some have long waders, or like it better.
It's just not for me...
Take care.
Peace.
I'm confused.
DON'T GO LAMP! STAY AWAY FROM THE LIGHT.....oh wait...
I'd just like to thank Bruce for his hard work ever since I've been a member here. It's the end of an era. We can only hope the new era will be as well managed as the last.
I'd just like to thank Bruce for his hard work ever since I've been a member here. It's the end of an era. We can only hope the new era will be as well managed as the last.
Agreed, one of the most even handed moderators I met. Willing to call BS on anyone, including myself when warranted, and take care of business while allowing the flow to continue. Thanks for your years of service Bruce.
I've been thinking the same.
me too. but there are the people around here that just make me lawl and lift my spirits. it's like a really really bad addiction.....ya just can't get enough!
Sometimes,and one just keeps looking for that elusive something, or the laugh, like you say. It's like a ordering a cup of tea, or saying, "it's my cup of tea" but I couldn't get the quote right.
so...I went searching for a quote. This is as close as I can get, without the romantic part, but you get the picture.
“She ordered a cup of tea, which proved excessively bad, and this gave her a sense that she was suffering in a romantic cause.” -Henry James
true but you can't deny the camaraderie.
huh
no, lol
I thought I was being positive :)
I think that quote meant, your outlook can affect your perceptions or something like that.
hmm maybe. one's outlook always affects one's perceptions.
maybe a hiatus for me is in order.
cya.
don't make it a long hiatus plth. We'll be waiting for more fishing shots!
