What about MY feelings? I'm offended by...
"The world today is absolutely crackers..." sang Eric Idle. And that was 20 something years before stupid shit like this:
[SIZE=3][COLOR=Black]Plastic pig banned from UK toy set for fear of offending Jews, Muslims[/COLOR][/SIZE]
I, personally, am offended by farms in general. And don't even get me started about tractors and farm equipment. I want that shit out of my toy farm set.
WTF? Their religion tells them not to eat pork. Where does it say they can't play with a pig (toy or otherwise)?
I'm against most farm equipment. Esp. combines. nasty fukkers - you could lose your arm.
I don't eat horses or tractors, they must be removed. And the farmer, although Mrs Farmer can stay.
zactly
My religion forbids me from eating cars, but yet I see a toy car in the latest Happy Meal.
I love me some boobies. I want them added to the farm set. Waaaaah!:sniff:
I don't eat horses or tractors, they must be removed. And the farmer, although Mrs Farmer can stay.
Not to mention her three lovely daughters...
what about toy dogs? pound puppies, etc. all offensive! ban them! ban them, I say!
WTF? Their religion tells them not to eat pork. Where does it say they can't play with a pig (toy or otherwise)?
Strictly speaking, I'm pretty sure their religion says they can't even
touch a pig, which is where the question of touching a fake pig might come into play. It's still a stupid question, mind you, and a stupid PR ploy for them to claim they are trying not to offend Jews
or Muslims, since not once in the history of the UK has any member of the Jewish population complained about a toy pig. Which just goes to show that, like most of these types of problems, it's not a religious issue at all, but a cultural one.
The story oringated with The Sun newspaper.
This is a newspaper that has a Stunner on page 3 everyday - yes, the girls with bare titties.
It's known for inflammatory headlines and stories that burn out like a damp squib once investigated.
Interestingly, the article concludes:
ELC said: "The decision to remove the pig was taken in reaction to customer feedback in some parts of the world."
However, after The Sun contacted the firm, it said: "We have taken the decision to reinstate the pig and to no longer sell the set in international markets where it might create an issue.
That's quite a different kettle of gefilte fish.
Talk about burning out like a damp squib, way to throw a wet blanket on our righteous moral outrage.
OK folks, the thread's over. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Doncha just hate it when they do the right thing.........
Doncha just hate it when they do the right thing.........
Yeah, the right thing...
"Well, if you don't like the damn pig, fuck you, you don't get shit."
Not to mention her three lovely daughters...
Oooooooooo. It's a modern day version of Fiddler on the Roof.
In the UK it's PC gone mad..
every official authority, schools or whatever seems to have lost all common sense on the basis that you must not offend anyone at anytime.
That's why schools now don't celebrate Christmas it's "Winter Festival".
But the best story that was in a local paper was about a book shop in Edinburgh old town which sells second hand old childrens books and they has this one in the window, which someone complained about and two police officers were sent to the shop to warn that although the book was written in the 30's and was no way racist a complaint was made and would the owner of the shop refrain from displaying the book in the window.
If that's the best story of PC gone mad, then your PC has not gone mad. You can't judge a book by its cover, unless it's in a window display, and the cover is all that's visible. I would absolutely oppose the removal of the book from the store (or libraries, schools, etc), but it's not crazy to ask that it not be in the window display.
Yeah, hide it behind the counter with the "men's" magazines.:rolleyes:
No, just the regular shelf. I feel the same about Doctor Doolittle. I wouldn't put it in the shop window opened to the chapter starting with the racist picture of the native king who wants the doctor to turn him white. But it is a legitimate classic, and should be available.
The story oringated with The Sun newspaper.
This is a newspaper that has a Stunner on page 3 everyday - yes, the girls with bare titties.
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Do we have a thread for that?
We should have a thread for that.
Let's take a vote.
No, just the regular shelf. I feel the same about Doctor Doolittle. I wouldn't put it in the shop window opened to the chapter starting with the racist picture of the native king who wants the doctor to turn him white. But it is a legitimate classic, and should be available.
It's not only a legitimate classic, it's legal merchandise that shop is selling. If putting it in the window offends people, they can boycott that shop and spend their money elsewhere elsewhere. If enough people do that, the shopkeeper has to make a decision whether it's better to display something else. You'd be hard pressed to find a shop window that doesn't annoy somebody in some way. Next they'll be telling the ice cream shop not to put a picture of a banana split in the window because it offends dieters, or the liquor store not to put booze in the window because it offends AA.
Do we have a thread for that?
We should have a thread for that.
Let's take a vote.
Aye.
The story oringated with The Sun newspaper.
This is a newspaper that has a Stunner on page 3 everyday - yes, the girls with bare titties.
It's known for inflammatory headlines and stories that burn out like a damp squib once investigated.
Ya got to love that.
In the UK it's PC gone mad..
every official authority, schools or whatever seems to have lost all common sense on the basis that you must not offend anyone at anytime.
That's why schools now don't celebrate Christmas it's "Winter Festival".
Erm... we're already gearing up for Christmas at our school. As is my sister's school, and the two schools attended by my niece and nephew.
The Christmas lights are up in Aylesbury. The ones that say Merry Christmas. And all the shops are selling Christmas presents, Christmas crackers, Christmas puddings... Even in Leicester, where Diwali is a huge event with equally decorated streets and fireworks, they have a nativity scene in the Town Hall Square.
I can only assume it's different in Scotland.
It's been well documented and reported in various press articles that Christmas has no place in multi cultural schools (and not just in the Daily mail) **chuckle**
It's a wee bit common sense we need, all faiths and cultures should get a look in but it seems that Christian or traditional festivals in the UK are looked at as we can't celebrate in the original form in case we upset other faiths.
Which has been also documented as plain nonsense by other faiths but the hand wringing of the chattering classes then wag their collective fingers and say no we can't:D
I've never heard of a school celebrating "winter festival".
It's well documented, Rhianne ;)
"You can do whatever you want, as long as you don't upset others."
"Well, what if I'm the one upset?"
"Fuck you, you don't count."
zactly
My religion forbids me from eating cars, but yet I see a toy car in the latest Happy Meal.
I heard something on the radio about some state or town or something trying to ban toys in 'happy' meals that didn't meet some kind of nutritional minimum.
anyone catch that?
Yeh - Its all over -
here's one link.San Francisco lawmakers approved legislation Tuesday that would limit toy giveaways in children's meals that have excessive calories, sodium and fat. It also requires servings of fruits or vegetables with each meal.
Doesn't the deep fried apple pie count?
Story continues below
The city's Board of Supervisors voted unanimously Tuesday to approve the ordinance, which they hope will force fast-food chains such as McDonald's to make their children's meals healthier or stop selling them with toys.
The measure drew enough support to overcome an expected veto by Mayor Gavin Newsom. Supervisors say the law would make San Francisco the first major city to take this action to combat childhood obesity.
McDonald's has said the law threatens business and restricts parents' ability to make choices for their children.
I don't think you can restrict what has been proven to be non-existent.
That's not allowed, no parental decision making, the parents and children must remain victims of the system.
I knew vegetables were the cause of obesity!
I always thought it was like this:
The world has gone mad, some folk like to moan for the sake of moaning, in Scotland some schools will not let the kids make Father or Mother day cards in case it upsets the kids that don't have one but they could make cards for aunts and uncles or other members of the family.
In Happy Meals you can exchange fries for carrot sticks or a fruit bag and have no added sugar squash, organic milk or even water instead of soda. Also finshfingers are an option - lower in fat and calories than nuggets, or burger.
That seems plenty of choice to me!
Why is the teacher wandering around in her bath robe and bare feet? What kind of school is that?
In Happy Meals you can exchange fries for carrot sticks or a fruit bag and have no added sugar squash, organic milk or even water instead of soda. Also finshfingers are an option - lower in fat and calories than nuggets, or burger.
That seems plenty of choice to me!
You must not be from around here...
Ah.
Not the same in America?
No, here corporations have put the burden of proof that their practices are harmful on the citizens who are educated about what is good for them by the also corporate owned television shows, news outlets, and commercials. So it's really a win-win for the corporations.
With all the TV, print, and internet haranguing about kids nutrition, there's no excuse for not knowing fast food is not a good steady diet for their kids. So parents can't hide behind ignorance, they have to make the choice. But goddammit, it shouldn't be the government making that choice.
goddammit, it shouldn't be the government making that choice.
hear here!
With all the TV, print, and internet haranguing about kids nutrition, there's no excuse for not knowing fast food is not a good steady diet for their kids. So parents can't hide behind ignorance, they have to make the choice. But goddammit, it shouldn't be the government making that choice.
It'll be the government who eventually will foot much of the bill for the health problems caused by poor choices, so maybe they have a vested interest.
We are trying to complete the transition away from trans fats though.
McDonald's may not offer fish fingers yet but they do offer apples if you look at the small print. That would be someplace under their new designer coffee flavors. lol
Many other fast food places offer fruit smoothies, some of the McDonald's too.
Many other fast food places offer fruit smoothies, some of the McDonald's too.
I could be wrong, but I'll guess their "fruit smoothies" are loaded with sugar and calories.
Isn't that why we eat - for the calories? Otherwise we could just have water.
I could be wrong, but I'll guess their "fruit smoothies" are loaded with sugar and calories.
I wouldn't know. I make my own.
Isn't that why we eat - for the calories? Otherwise we could just have water.
I like water :)
But goddammit, it shouldn't be the government making that choice.
A partially-libertarian system doesn't work. Like Spexx said, as long as my tax dollars are going to pay for their emergency triple bypass, and their child's type II diabetes meds, I vote that they don't get to eat pure unadulterated bullshit. Or that it at least has to be a little harder for them to make that choice.
To put it another way, isn't this kind of like saying that it should be the blue-collar workers' choice whether they want to work in a factory that adheres to safety guidelines?
I could be wrong, but I'll guess their "fruit smoothies" are loaded with sugar and calories.
The fruit smoothies were pure as the driven initially because they were in fact 'INNOCENT', practically sacred to foodies because they were totally uncontaminated by sugars and or preservatives or additives. However, the keepers of the flame rose up and wailed as one when Innocents went on sale in the golden archways alongside the deep fried apples.
I understand that Innocent have since been bought (sold out to?) Pepsi.
Just been told it was sold to Coca Cola in April iof this yearA partially-libertarian system doesn't work. Like Spexx said, as long as my tax dollars are going to pay for their emergency triple bypass, and their child's type II diabetes meds, I vote that they don't get to eat pure unadulterated bullshit. Or that it at least has to be a little harder for them to make that choice.
To put it another way, isn't this kind of like saying that it should be the blue-collar workers' choice whether they want to work in a factory that adheres to safety guidelines?
Well Spexx is a left wing socialist liberal, so I'd expect that. Pure unadulterated bullshit? I suspect your regimen has separated you from reality. While the food isn't the healthiest, it's far from poison. The numbers I've seen for McDonald's, say only a very small percentage eat there more than once a week, and most say they don't even eat there once a month. Obviously McDonald's isn't the problem, it's what they are eating at home. It's the parents who are responsible, and should be accountable. Are you suggesting the government should make supermarkets remove all cookies, ice cream, prepared foods, candy, etc? Hell, why not outlaw home kitchens, set up chow halls, and make everyone eat there.
Will whoever is peeing in xoB's path please stop !
We need him to return to his old lovable self.
A partially-libertarian system doesn't work. Like Spexx said, as long as my tax dollars are going to pay for their emergency triple bypass, and their child's type II diabetes meds, I vote that they don't get to eat pure unadulterated bullshit. Or that it at least has to be a little harder for them to make that choice.
To put it another way, isn't this kind of like saying that it should be the blue-collar workers' choice whether they want to work in a factory that adheres to safety guidelines?
You are missing the point of the whole exercise. If you restrict corps like McD or ADM from creating all these medical "problems" (that's problem for you, possibilities for them) then how will the medical industry continue to be a 3 trillion dollar per year concern? We are just grist for the mill. As long as we can keep cranking out babies, and we seem to be doing pretty darn well at it,all things considered, there will always be more grist for the mill.
This really isn't about humans. Just follow the dollars.
With all the TV, print, and internet haranguing about kids nutrition, there's no excuse for not knowing fast food is not a good steady diet for their kids.
Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun. That is nothing but good nutrition.
You are assuming people used intelligence to also know Saddam did not have WMDs. Facts said so. But an overwhelming majority only hear and only believe what propaganda tells them to believe. Facts be damned. Because of how people think (as proven here by Saddam's WMDs), almost everyone would *know* that list is nothing but best nutrition. We are told so every day even on TV kid shows. It must be true.
For your assumption to be true, you must explain the so many Cellar posts in 2002 and 2003 that believed WMDs when hard facts said otherwise.
The Cellar: We never let facts get in the way of a good story.
oops wrong thread.
The Cellar: We never let facts get in the way of a good story.
UT was about to put that atop the home page. If he does, is it now called plagiarism?
It you donate to the Cellar, is it called a tax writoff to a non-profit organization?
Non profit is not sufficient, it has to be charitable, so forget it.
Will whoever is peeing in xoB's path please stop !
We need him to return to his old lovable self.
Don't like being called out on blatant lies?
I'm confused about the problem.
As I said, here in the UK there are healthier choices available. That didn't come from a Government edict, it came from public pressure. In the same way McDonalds salads did, and only using British and Irish beef did.
The bottom line is that now parents can choose. Nothing stops an overweight five-year-old having a hamburger, fries and a McFlurry five days a week. Nothing but his parents. And believe me, many parents (and Grandparents) do choose the healthier options. The kids don't know any different - they love the Golden Arches and the plastic tables and the toys and they think they are getting away with something!
Despite National Insurance and nationalised healthcare meaning we all pay for "potential healthcare issues", that's the point of living in a representational democracy. People have paid for my depression, for my ongoing issues with alcohol, for the fact I take a PPI which is mostly due to my own poor lifestyle choices.
I honestly don't know if I support local government intervention - I prefer help and support rather than punitive measures. But I can't see why something that assists positive choices (ie along the same lines we have in McDonalds UK) can really be seen as Draconian. Until people's BMI is measured before they are allowed in the door - been advocated by diet extremists - I figure giving choice is not taking away freedom.
Well Spexx is a left wing socialist liberal, so I'd expect that.
Thanks for the dismissive comment.
How many people in this cellar smoke?
I don't want to pay for their triple bypass surgery, either.
It's always the foodie, alkie or druggie with you people- you never talk about smokes. tsk tsk.
Non profit is not sufficient, it has to be charitable, so forget it.
Don't like being called out on blatant lies?
???
Well Spexx is a left wing socialist liberal, so I'd expect that. Pure unadulterated bullshit? I suspect your regimen has separated you from reality. While the food isn't the healthiest, it's far from poison. The numbers I've seen for McDonald's, say only a very small percentage eat there more than once a week, and most say they don't even eat there once a month. Obviously McDonald's isn't the problem, it's what they are eating at home. It's the parents who are responsible, and should be accountable. Are you suggesting the government should make supermarkets remove all cookies, ice cream, prepared foods, candy, etc? Hell, why not outlaw home kitchens, set up chow halls, and make everyone eat there.
I didn't say that I agreed with regulating fast food, I merely pointed out that the government (taxpayers) does have a vested, financial interest in the issue.
The left wing socialist liberal way of dealing with the issue would be for taxpayers to pay for people's fast food, pay for their healthcare when it makes them ill, and pay for their funerals when they kick. The right wing fascist conservative way of dealing with it would be to let the people eat their fast food, psychopathically ignore them when it makes them ill, and let them rot where they are when they kick. The proposal is between those two extremes, and so is moderate.
How many people in this cellar smoke?
I don't want to pay for their triple bypass surgery, either.
It's always the foodie, alkie or druggie with you people- you never talk about smokes. tsk tsk.
Have you forgotten the Marichiko vs. Lumberjim pay per view cage match already?
Non profit is not sufficient, it has to be charitable, so forget it.
Who stuck that dic inside you? Why are you suddenly being so nasty, illogical, and stupid to everyone? Bruce, has your handle been stolen by UG? The tone and logic in your many replies has clearly changed.
What crawled up you ass and died?
I could be wrong, but I'll guess their "fruit smoothies" are loaded with sugar and calories.
Fuckin' A they are.
Fuckin' A they are.
Hmmmmm
Strawberry Banana Fruit Blend:
Strawberry puree, banana puree, water, sugar, concentrated apple juice, contains less than 1% of the following: cellulose powder, natural (botanical source) and artificial flavors, xanthan gum, citric acid, colored with fruit and vegetable juice, pectin, ascorbic acid (preservative).
Low Fat Yogurt
Cultured Grade A reduced fat milk, sugar, whey protein concentrate, fructose, corn starch, kosher gelatin. Contains active yogurt cultures.
CONTAINS: MILK
Ice
A small (12 fl oz cup) contains:
180 calories
44g sugar
80 IU Vitamin A
70 mg calcium
12 fl oz of Coke contains:
120 calories
33g sugar
0 IU Vitamin A
0 mg calcium
Have you forgotten the Marichiko vs. Lumberjim pay per view cage match already?
refresh my memory...
iirc - marichiko, despite her very dire circumstances, smoked the very costly American Spirit cigs...but that's all I remember...
That's pretty much it, and LJ called her out on it. Her dire circumstances and her CO poisoning.
What if I said that muslims offend me ?
Are you suggesting the government should make supermarkets remove all cookies, ice cream, prepared foods, candy, etc?
No no... But I wouldn't have a problem with them requiring those food items to be made without chemicals, fillers, and preservatives. Or, say, preventing the McDonald's beef from being rinsed with ammonia, or the McDonald's cheese to actually be made from 100% cheese...
Who stuck that dic inside you? Why are you suddenly being so nasty, illogical, and stupid to everyone? Bruce, has your handle been stolen by UG? The tone and logic in your many replies has clearly changed.
What crawled up you ass and died?
I said, giving money to a non-profit does NOT make it a tax deduction, it has to be a CHARITABLE organization.
I don't know what the fuck your problem is, but you keep fucking with me, and you'll suddenly remember that last time you started this shit.:mad:
No no... But I wouldn't have a problem with them requiring those food items to be made without chemicals, fillers, and preservatives. Or, say, preventing the McDonald's beef from being rinsed with ammonia, or the McDonald's cheese to actually be made from 100% cheese...
That's not what Frisco is doing though, is it?
It is, indirectly--they put a maximum amount of allowable sodium in the meal, and a large portion of preservatives are sodium ________. They put a maximum amount of allowable fat, and beef from a higher quality source would simultaneously contain less fat and also not need to be rinsed with ammonia for sanitation.
But to be perfectly honest, another reason I don't have a problem with this is I think putting toys in kids' meals is a bad idea to begin with. How freaking spoiled do our kids have to be, to be entitled to a gift every time they eat? In my house, rewards are attached to doing something meaningful or worthwhile. Frisco didn't say "you can't serve this," or even "you can't serve this to kids." All they said was, you can't bribe the kids with toys, the parents have to make the decision to feed their kids this stuff without any added pressure.
How about some of that buttered popcorn over there?
Pass it please.
It is, indirectly--they put a maximum amount of allowable sodium in the meal, and a large portion of preservatives are sodium ________. They put a maximum amount of allowable fat, and beef from a higher quality source would simultaneously contain less fat and also not need to be rinsed with ammonia for sanitation.
But to be perfectly honest, another reason I don't have a problem with this is I think putting toys in kids' meals is a bad idea to begin with. How freaking spoiled do our kids have to be, to be entitled to a gift every time they eat? In my house, rewards are attached to doing something meaningful or worthwhile. Frisco didn't say "you can't serve this," or even "you can't serve this to kids." All they said was, you can't bribe the kids with toys, the parents have to make the decision to feed their kids this stuff without any added pressure.
What you want, or disapprove of, for you and yours is fine, but your can not (not suggesting you are trying to) speak for everyone else.
That's my point, the Frisco City fathers are imposing their wishes on everyone. I don't care if they take a public poll and 99% agree with them, of course if that were true McD's would be boarded up by now. But anyway, the majority don't have the right to impose on the minority in this Republic. Now don't tell me it already happens here or there, I know it does, but that's a matter of having the power not because it's right... it's not.
But you never answered the parallel question... how is it different from a blue-collar employee saying they are willing to take a job at a factory with no safety standards, and it's not fair for OSHA/unions to enforce such safety features on them? How is it different from the government saying you have to wear a seatbelt in your car, even though it's not fair to make the auto industry install them, and to make me pay a higher cost for my car if I want to drive without one? How is it different from saying you can't market cigarettes to minors? I believe there are times when the right choice needs to be legislated, because corporations are not usually going to make the best choice for us as individuals.
Edit to add: Just noticed Merc's comment, and wanted to note that I'm not all in a tizzy about this, I'm just discussing. This is actually a relatively recent philosophical change for me--I have been much more libertarian in the past, but I've realized it's not practical because our society's never going to be hard-hearted enough for it.
It's different because it's a city council, singling out just kid's meals, and more specifically with "free" toys.
National standards on the safety of the ingredients, to protect the public, is different than regulating recipes of how those ingredients are put together. I don't eat them often, but every once in awhile I want a big old cheesesteak, with enough grease and salt to dissolved the roll before I can finish it. I certainly don't want the government, especially a stinking city council, saying I can't have one because somebody else might try to let their kid live on the damn things.
If they don't like the way parents are parenting, take it up with them and leave me and McD's out of it. Hopefully the parent will tell them to pound sand. Nobody is forced to go to McD's, it's only one of many options for parents, and from the numbers I've seen, most kids don't go that often.
That's a hell of a lot easier that finding a new job if your employer doesn't provide the option of the proper safety gear. And it is an option. Try as they might, and I've seen some pretty heavy handed trying, companies can't make employees follow safe work practices 100% of the time, except in a very few jobs where the employee is monitored 100% of the time. Just like they can't force people to wear seat belts, only make sure they have the option.
This tin horn city council is taking away choices, and with it personal responsibility, so anyone that supports them is a commie, pinko, socialist, PC nazi, nogoodnik. :haha:
I certainly don't want the government, especially a stinking city council, saying I can't have one because somebody else might try to let their kid live on the damn things.
But they didn't say that. All they said was they can't put a toy inside the bag with your cheesesteak. And if you think the toys don't play a role, just ask my stepdaughter, who at the age of 10 was trying to convince us that she should be allowed to order
two kids' meals, because she wanted more food than was in a single kids' meal, but wanted that stupid piece of plastic so badly that she didn't want to order off the adult menu. She was way too old to even care about the things, at least half the time she just threw them away... but it was a free toy, and who knows what it might be?! She didn't want to miss out on that!
Yes, in an ideal world everything ought to be up to the parents. But the reality is, parenting is hard enough without businesses making it more difficult. They are not letting the parents fairly decide what they want for their children, they are deliberately pitting the children against the parents, and hoping that the parents cave to a bad decision. They put toy displays all over the grocery store, and candy displays in all the checkout lines, because they
want the kids to make a scene.
and from the numbers I've seen, most kids don't go that often.
I'm not buying these stats. Sure, they only go to McDonald's once a month... and they only go to Burger King once a month... and they only go to Chick-Fil-A once a month... and they only go to Taco Bell once a month...
The regular kids that I know--and these are in moderately self-righteous suburban soccer mom circles to begin with, all of these parents would insist they feed their kids "pretty healthy"--they eat at one fast-food place or another about once a week.
Businesses have always done this, do you think Sears and Monkey Ward spent a fortune printing and mailing all those catalogs so your outhouse wouldn't run out of paper?
When I was a kid, I frequently suggested that my parents could make me very happy, buying me stuff in the prominent store checkout displays, or "As Seen on TV". I really don't know if it would have made me happy, but apparently it made them happy to ignore my suggestions.
Now Mom's in an $11,000 a month nursing home, so I guess I got over it.
Edit; One nasty, greasy, salty, fast food orgasm a week is hardly going to ruin the health of a kid eating good shit at home. The real problem is kids and mothers have to much free time to get in trouble. If mom was churning butter and beating the laundry on rocks, while the the kids were sorting clinkers from coal down by the tracks, this wouldn't be an issue.:p:
I agree, the problem is larger than a once-a-week fast food binge. But I think this is a step in the right direction, and in no danger of being a lost-rights slippery slope.
Hey, could you teach my kids the difference between clinkers and coal? They're extremely good at sorting, I could make a fortune!
You'll need a fortune at $11,000 a month.
I agree, the problem is larger than a once-a-week fast food binge. But I think this is a step in the right direction, and in no danger of being a lost-rights slippery slope.
Any interference from the local politicians of legal business, or parental rights, is always a slippery slope.
Hey, could you teach my kids the difference between clinkers and coal? They're extremely good at sorting, I could make a fortune!
Hell that's easy, slap 'em up side the head when they pick up the wrong one, they'll learn right quick.