Sept 30, 2010: Mystery Meat

xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2010 2:30 am
Ahh mystery meat, the magical ingredient staple in school cafeterias and cheap diners.
What's it taste like?
The cafeteria ladies, and greasy spoon chefs, reply, "Anything you want, kid, name it".
But what is it, what's it made from?
This batch, chicken.

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Say hello to mechanically separated chicken.
It’s what all fast-food chicken is made from—things like chicken nuggets and patties.
Also, the processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it.

Basically, the entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve—bones, eyes, guts, and all. it comes out looking like this.

There’s more: because it’s crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it, actually.
Then, because it tastes gross, it will be reflavored artificially.
Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with artificial color.


Yum yum. :yum:

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Pico and ME • Sep 30, 2010 2:38 am
Oh God, no more chicken nuggets for me...ever. That's disgusting.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2010 2:50 am
Bubble gum python.
GunMaster357 • Sep 30, 2010 4:46 am
:shock:

No wonder I prefer to buy whole chicken for cooking...
...and I almost never buy processed meat.
SPUCK • Sep 30, 2010 6:45 am
:vomitblu::vomit::vomitblu::vomit::vomitblu::vomit::vomitblu::vomit::vomitblu::vomit:
Sheldonrs • Sep 30, 2010 7:15 am
Just like Mom used to process.
casimendocina • Sep 30, 2010 7:45 am
So glad I bought tofu today.
casimendocina • Sep 30, 2010 7:46 am
Sheldonrs;685753 wrote:
Just like Mom used to process.


My mum didn't put ammonia through it, just her finger nails. :D
monster • Sep 30, 2010 7:56 am
That's more mechanically joined than mechanically separated, though......


:vomit:
casimendocina • Sep 30, 2010 8:00 am
I'm starting to conjour up images of Sweeney Todd. Uuuuggghhh.
monster • Sep 30, 2010 8:19 am
My parents swore there was a euphemism/codename for the human flesh in the pies, but I can't remember it -I'm thinking "Albanian Lamb"? But when i google Sweeney Todd, I can't find anything and googling albanian lamb leads to recipes. Anyway, whenever we asked what sort of meat was in something, that's what they'd say. Perhaps it really was Albanian lamb?
stevecrm • Sep 30, 2010 8:21 am
xoxoxoBruce;685717 wrote:

What's it taste like?
The cafeteria ladies, and greasy spoon chefs, reply, "Anything you want, kid, name it".


Strawberry ice cream flavour meat please :D
glatt • Sep 30, 2010 8:26 am
Q: What cuts of the animal are in that meat?
A: Whatever could squeeze through the little holes of the sieve.
casimendocina • Sep 30, 2010 8:42 am
monster;685764 wrote:
My parents swore there was a euphemism/codename for the human flesh in the pies, but I can't remember it -I'm thinking "Albanian Lamb"? But when i google Sweeney Todd, I can't find anything and googling albanian lamb leads to recipes. Anyway, whenever we asked what sort of meat was in something, that's what they'd say. Perhaps it really was Albanian lamb?


Give me 24 hours. I should have an answer.
Spexxvet • Sep 30, 2010 8:53 am
Ugh! Nuggets has eyes...
monster • Sep 30, 2010 8:59 am
Great -a new business op for you! Nuggets can have spex!
newtimer • Sep 30, 2010 9:47 am
Still not as gross as hot dogs.
monster • Sep 30, 2010 10:09 am
newtimer;685783 wrote:
Still not as gross as hot dogs.


that's what goes in hotdogs
Shawnee123 • Sep 30, 2010 11:04 am
:eek: SOYLENT PINK IS...CHICKENS!
Spexxvet • Sep 30, 2010 11:14 am
LOL
Sheldonrs • Sep 30, 2010 11:29 am
Shawnee123;685789 wrote:
:eek: SOYLENT PINK IS...CHICKENS!


[SIZE="7"]:D[/SIZE]
monster • Sep 30, 2010 11:44 am
I wondered how long it would be before Sheldon was grinning about mystery meat....
Sheldonrs • Sep 30, 2010 12:07 pm
monster;685803 wrote:
I wondered how long it would be before Sheldon was grinning about mystery meat....


No, that would be SALIENT Pink. ;)
spudcon • Sep 30, 2010 12:09 pm
You lie! That's a picture of whale penis!
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2010 12:14 pm
stevecrm;685765 wrote:
Strawberry ice cream flavour meat please :D

Hey Mabel, one with...
[COLOR="Purple"]ethyl acetate
ethyl amyl ketone
ethyl butyrate
ethyl cinnamate
ethyl heptanoate
ethyl heptylate
ethyl lactate
ethyl methylphenylglycidate
ethyl nitrate
ethyl propionate
ethyl valerate
heliotropin
hydroxyphenyl-2-butanone (10 percent solution in alcohol)
a-ionone
isobutyl anthranilate
isobutyl butyrate
lemon essential oil
maltol
4-methylacetophenone
methyl anthranilate
methyl benzoate
methyl cinnamate
methyl heptine carbonate
methyl naphthyl ketone
methyl salicylate
mint essential oil
neroli essential oil
nerolin
neryl isobutyrate
orris butter
phenethyl alcohol
rose
rum ether
g-undecalactone
vanillin and solvent[/COLOR]


Hold the... [COLOR="DarkOrange"]2,4-decadienal and 2-methyl-3-furanthiol.[/COLOR]
Watcha drinkin', kid?
Diaphone Jim • Sep 30, 2010 1:05 pm
One name for human flesh is long pig. I guess this is long chicken.
What a great way to suppress recipe posts.
Shawnee123 • Sep 30, 2010 1:08 pm
monster;685774 wrote:
Great -a new business op for you! Nuggets can have sex!


FTFY

:eek3:
Flint • Sep 30, 2010 1:21 pm
They're just dumping this sh!t into a cardboard box! lol

Nobody would dump "food" into a plain cardboard box.
Shawnee123 • Sep 30, 2010 1:49 pm
I think I'd rather eat the cardboard box, plain.
Adam • Sep 30, 2010 2:54 pm
Hmmmmmmm.....

I don't know nothin' about nothin' but this seems fishy.
A quick inspection of the re-bloggers turned up this (from Nik Matt at The Earth Giant (DISCLAIMER: I have no idea if HIS facts are straight but it it seems more plausible to me)
Nik says:
"There is a lot of misinformation in this bullshit. The picture isn’t even mechanically separated chicken, it’s slurry, which exists because Americans think dark meat is nasty (yet love this shit). Basically they emulsify dark meat and separate it from the excess fat and water then flash-freeze the slurry to be transported to plants all over the country that will shape it into lovely patties and nuggets. At no point in time is this treated with ammonia (that happened to hamburger meat in response to e-coli outbreaks and doesn’t happen anymore) and no processing plant would ever put an entire fucking chicken into a sieve to be separated. There are no non-muscular parts, except for maybe a very small amount of tough tissue, in any mechanically separated meat or slurry."

I Googled "Chicken Slurry" and it doesn't look anything like the bubblegum in this picture. Wikipedia wasn't a whole lot more helpful.

I'd really really like to know the source of this picture. Fooducate.com says this about the picture:

"Folks, this is mechanically separated chicken, an invention of the late 20th century. Someone figured out in the 1960’s that meat processors can eek out a few more percent of profit from chickens, turkeys, pigs, and cows by scraping the bones 100% clean of meat. This is done by machines, not humans, by passing bones leftover after the initial cutting through a high pressure sieve. The paste you see in the picture above is the result.

This paste goes on to become the main ingredient in many a hot dog, bologna, chicken nuggets, pepperoni, salami, jerky etc…"

And a contributer on Snopes says:
"The article isn't wholly accurate, because MRM (Mechanically Reclaimed Meat) comes from what is left on the carcass after other processing. It's not a case of mincing the whole carcass (only a certain proportion of bones are allowed - depends on your local food laws). What tends to squick people is the idea of non-muscle meat, skin and cartilage in the mix. The description sounds more like steam reclaimed meat from a rendering plant - the whole carcass goes into the process, is pressure cooked and the resulting "highly pigmented slurry" is dried to varying degrees depending on whether you want to make it into slices for sandwiches, into pet food or dried completely for fertiliser.

References:
Fast Food Nation: What the All-American Meal Is Doing to the World by Eric Schlosser
The Food Scandal: What's Wrong with the British Diet and How to Set It Right by Caroline Walker and Geoffrey Cannon
Meat Machine by Jan W"

I think if that picture is really MRM, it is POST-pigmenting. It is made from cleaned carcasses.
Facts may be gross, but I like to get 'em straight.
Or, straighter.
xoxoxoBruce • Sep 30, 2010 3:43 pm
Thanks for the research, Adam. :thumb2:

Lord knows what that stuff is, but still, much of the time we don't know what we're really eating, (refer to post #25). It would probably be healthier to catch and eat fresh rats or insects. ;)
Gravdigr • Sep 30, 2010 3:46 pm
I never thought I could be turned off by pink meat.
HungLikeJesus • Sep 30, 2010 3:51 pm
casimendocina;685755 wrote:
So glad I bought tofu today.


The stuff in that picture is tofu.
Undertoad • Sep 30, 2010 4:17 pm
I told y'all it was mechanically separated chicken!
wolf • Sep 30, 2010 5:41 pm
If there is anything that I have learned from Classic Science Fiction Films of the 1950s and 1960s, it is that there are some things man was not meant to know.

This would be one of those things.
Wombat • Sep 30, 2010 7:19 pm
"Albert Einstein" wrote:
Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
spudcon • Sep 30, 2010 11:18 pm
Einstein's dead, I'm not.
Gravdigr • Oct 2, 2010 6:51 pm
Word.
spudcon • Oct 2, 2010 7:35 pm
Mystery meat at a WalMart in China
Sundae • Oct 4, 2010 1:48 pm
Yay, Adam!
I was about to go and do the same research, you saved me the trip.
I was certainly going to opine that it would not make good financial sense to pulp a whole chicken like that, when the breast - to name but one part - can be sold at a much higher value on its own.

Jamie Oliver has done a lot of work here, trying to educate people into understanding what they are eating. Personally I've known since 1985, when we had a class in Food & Nutrition in what goes into various pies, pastes and sausages. It didn't put me off, but at least it meant I had a well-informed choice. My vegetarian friends used to try to "convert" me by telling me what was in my food - nothing like a 16 year old to labour a point. They soon learned that I was at least as clued up as they were and could definitely out-gross them.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 4, 2010 4:00 pm
Sundae Girl;686393 wrote:
I was certainly going to opine that it would not make good financial sense to pulp a whole chicken like that, when the breast - to name but one part - can be sold at a much higher value on its own.


For even shopper buying chicken parts to cook at home, there's a hundred people buying chicken based stuff (for lack of a better word), usually breaded and deep fried which disguises it somewhat. It's an immense gazillion dollar market, but often cutthroat competition. If they can save a penny on the preparation/distribution of every chicken based blob they sell, they save millions of dollars, and could make or break a company. One of the biggest problems/expenses of chicken processing is the disposal of waste, so the larger percentage of the chicken that can be palmed off as edible, the higher the profit. As disgusting as the thought of eating some of the bits may be, it won't hurt you and it has nutritional value.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 6, 2010 11:39 am
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casimendocina • Oct 6, 2010 7:35 pm
Thanks Bruce. That was cool

Now (with a good blender) we can make our own meat patties at home from scratch.
Happy Monkey • Oct 6, 2010 8:03 pm
It was an odd "experiment". He kept talking up the grossness, but the only problem with the meat he used was that it is hard to get off the bone using just a knife. It was all from one chicken, the guts and head were removed, and the additives weren't particularly alarming. I certainly wouldn't have any problem eating one of those nuggets. It seems he was relying solely on the idea that meat ground finer than one usually sees (ie hamburger) looks wierd. Plus repeatedly saying how gross it was.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 6, 2010 9:48 pm
You have to remember he's a chef. They feel white wine with red meat is gross. :lol:
Clodfobble • Oct 6, 2010 11:49 pm
I'm pretty sure the kids thought the meat was plenty gross. It's just that American children are attention whores who will deliberately eat gross things for fun.
HungLikeJesus • Oct 6, 2010 11:52 pm
But the French eat frog legs and snails.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 6, 2010 11:53 pm
Without breading, too.;)
classicman • Oct 7, 2010 11:24 am
HungLikeJesus;686995 wrote:
frog legs and snails.


Mmmm... fried and steamed with garlic/butter/white wine respectively...
:yum:
Beest • Oct 7, 2010 3:57 pm
monster;685764 wrote:
My parents swore there was a euphemism/codename for the human flesh in the pies, but I can't remember it -I'm thinking "Albanian Lamb"? But when i google Sweeney Todd, I can't find anything and googling albanian lamb leads to recipes. Anyway, whenever we asked what sort of meat was in something, that's what they'd say. Perhaps it really was Albanian lamb?


I remembered mutton and found several references to it being a Mutton Pie Shop.
casimendocina • Oct 7, 2010 7:15 pm
Beest;687143 wrote:
I remembered mutton and found several references to it being a Mutton Pie Shop.


I reckon you're right.

So what did you think of the movie compared to stage productions of Sweeney Todd?
casimendocina • Oct 7, 2010 7:22 pm
spudcon;686200 wrote:
Mystery meat at a WalMart in China


I wrote this up last week, then my computer had a spac mid-post and I don't think it made it on to the board (if it did, I'm hoping that smiling nicely at Bruce will do the trick). Seeing as the lives of dwellars will be much the poorer for not having read it, here it is.

This made me think of one trip to Carrefour I made while living in China. (The employees got round on roller blades as the store was so big). At the back in the fish section, there was a paddling pool full of turtles. The poor things obviously knew their number was going to be up very soon as they were scrabbling desperately to get out of the pool. It bordered on heart-breaking. :sniff:
classicman • Oct 8, 2010 11:59 am
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Shawnee123 • Oct 8, 2010 12:45 pm
Every time I see this thread title, the commercial jingle for the game Mystery Date gets in my head, but of course it's changed to:

Open the door
For your
Mystery Meat.

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casimendocina • Oct 9, 2010 3:08 am
Does this game still exist in the states or is it in the same category as the Edsall?
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 9, 2010 9:10 am
Edsall?

Oh wait, you mean Edsel... yes, tucked away in attics, and at yard sales.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 9, 2010 12:13 pm
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casimendocina • Oct 9, 2010 5:49 pm
xoxoxoBruce;687405 wrote:
Edsall?

Oh wait, you mean Edsel... yes, tucked away in attics, and at yard sales.


Thank god it's not still on the market.
spudcon • Oct 9, 2010 6:33 pm
That deboner is enough to give any guy a deboner. Besides the one part looking like a pile of poop, the part with the bristles and claws could probably only satisfy a chupacabra.:smack::drunk:
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 9, 2010 8:18 pm
casimendocina;687462 wrote:
Thank god it's not still on the market.
It wasn't that bad. The styling was adventurous, but that's a personal thing. It was ahead of the pack as far as gadgets/novel features, and way too expensive in a down market, but mechanically sound.

Yes, Spud, yucky. I was wondering why the guy was being so particular about which pieces he fed it?
spudcon • Oct 9, 2010 9:46 pm
Are there some pieces of meat that are too disgusting even to feed to vultures? Yucky is the correct adjective.
casimendocina • Oct 9, 2010 10:04 pm
1/2 LOL Actually, I was talking about Mystery Date (but probably another case of me shifting the focus and it being clear to me, but not anyone else, because I didn't tell them or didn't realise myself until afterwards).
casimendocina • Oct 9, 2010 10:07 pm
xoxoxoBruce;687472 wrote:
It wasn't that bad. The styling was adventurous, but that's a personal thing. It was ahead of the pack as far as gadgets/novel features, and way too expensive in a down market, but mechanically sound.


1/2 LOL Actually, I was talking about Mystery Date (but probably another case of me shifting the focus and it being clear to me, but not anyone else, because I didn't tell them or didn't realise myself until afterwards).
ZenGum • Oct 11, 2010 5:18 am
[Tailpost] ...

even Bear Grylls wouldn't eat that.

Bleuch.
Shawnee123 • Oct 11, 2010 8:25 am
spudcon;687479 wrote:
Are there some pieces of meat that are too disgusting even to feed to vultures? Yucky is the correct adjective.


I was driving some country roads yesterday, lid down, enjoying the weather. I saw a giant bird on the road and at a distance even I knew it was way too bid to be a crow. When I got closer, I saw it was a turkey vulture and that thing flew away with a garter snake hanging out of its mouth. The wing span is amazing on those things. Once one flew right in front of my car so I was close enough to see its ugly head.
HungLikeJesus • Oct 11, 2010 8:28 am
Isn't that our national bird?
Shawnee123 • Oct 11, 2010 8:32 am
No, I think that's an Eagle. ;)

There was one soaring over my brother's house (in the country) and it got down real close. Then it hit another current of air and went really high. Didn't flap once that I saw.

My brother said it was probably a dead snake that I saw (he knows a little about ornithology) 'cause they eat dead stuff mostly, but I thought the ones at my other brother's house was after the baby kittehs. Nah...he soared way up high.
SPUCK • Oct 12, 2010 7:29 am
Nice shot of the ol buzzard.
spudcon • Oct 12, 2010 8:25 am
Great shot Shawnee. I've come upon those birds several times, but as soon as I reach for my camera, they get far away.
xoxoxoBruce • Oct 12, 2010 8:50 am
Turkey vultures.
monster • Oct 12, 2010 10:01 am
Turkey Vultures pee on their feet to keep them warm in winter, cool in summer and to kill bacteria.
glatt • Oct 12, 2010 11:42 am
I should try that.
Shawnee123 • Oct 12, 2010 11:44 am
spudcon;687906 wrote:
Great shot Shawnee. I've come upon those birds several times, but as soon as I reach for my camera, they get far away.


Sorry to mislead, it's not my picture (as bruce so slyly pointed out...I'm no liar, I just wasn't online to see that it had been attributed to me.)
HungLikeJesus • Oct 12, 2010 12:04 pm
Congratulations on getting your shot published on that site Shawnee.
Undertoad • Oct 12, 2010 12:13 pm
glatt;687936 wrote:
I should try that.


Getting them to stand still for it might be a problem.
spudcon • Oct 12, 2010 4:25 pm
I thought Glatt had the funniest comment here until UT made me laugh just as hard.:thumb: