Ray Stevens can kiss my ass!
God Bless Ray Stevens!!! I'm gonna rush rite out and buy that song as soon as possible. I wish our Sheriff was more like Sheriff Joe. We should be supporting Arizona, instead of running them down. I don't have any problem people coming here to work and better them selfs, but they need to sign the guest book first.
God Save Arizona from The Federal Government!!!:us::
So in Sheldonland holding a different point of view is reason to wish death upon someone? Doesn't sound very tolerant.
So in Sheldonland holding a different point of view is reason to wish death upon someone? Doesn't sound very tolerant.
Nope. In SheldonLand, you don't sing about peace, love and tolerance and then sing about the mistreatment of others being OK based on their country of origin and/or color of their skin.
Would it be acceptable to sing about peace, love, and tolerance and then also believe illegal immigration is a bad thing?
Seriously, you're offended by a senile guy singing a seriously crap song. I'm offended that money was actually wasted to record and produce that drivel, but ifhe wants to do it then more power to him. Your level of revulsion seems a bit over the top though.
...the mistreatment of others being OK based on their country of origin and/or color of their skin.
Wrong. You don't even understand what the issue is, you're just repeating some bullcrap you read somewhere. You were told to be outraged, so you are doing your mindless duty.
People who don't even know what they are talking about are what is wrong with America.
I don't want you to die in a fire, though. That's just ƒucked up. Get some counseling.
Wrong. You don't even understand what the issue is, you're just repeating some bullcrap you read somewhere. You were told to be outraged, so you are doing your mindless duty.
People who don't even know what they are talking about are what is wrong with America.
I don't want you to die in a fire, though. That's just ƒucked up. Get some counseling.
I do know what the issue is. And i know that while, on paper maybe, the bill says that people will only be asked for papers if they are stopped for something else.
But in reality, here in AZ, I know damn well that they won't be asking for papers from anyone named Sven that has been stopped for a traffic violation.
And Sheriff Joe will encourage it amoung his thugs.
Yes, that is the thing you were told to be outraged about. The entire issue has been misdirected, in your mind, and replaced with a hypothetical scenraio designed to trigger your emotional reaction to an unrelated subject.
this is my favorite Ray Stevens song:
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guess he goes by Ray Islam now though.
Yes, that is the thing you were told to be outraged about. The entire issue has been misdirected, in your mind, and replaced with a hypothetical scenraio designed to trigger your emotional reaction to an unrelated subject.
Wrong. That's the thing I have been and always will be outraged about.
It isn't this law. You've been misdirected.
Some points to note:
SB1070 will put more people in AZ jails.
10+ of those jails are privately owned
Gov. Jan Brewer signed SB1070 with advice of several on her staff.
Several of her staff are also lobbyists for and/or married to lobbyists for, drum roll please, the owners of those prisons.
The more prisoners in those prisons, the more money the private owners make.
The more money those private owners make, the more money they can fork over to the lobbyists.
And just to add to the fun, most of the prisoners who have escaped from AZ jails in the last 10 years or so, including the 2 from 2 weeks ago, one of whom is still on the run with his cousin/fiance, escaped from privately owned prisons.
So your objection to SB1070 really has nothing to do with fears about hypothetical racially motivated police action...but rather corporate/political corruption?
So your objection to SB1070 really has nothing to do with fears about hypothetical racially motivated police action...but rather corporate/political corruption?
No, I'm just pointing out what I believe is the real reason behind it's passing.
Are you saying that it's OK to pass a bill through corrupt means if you like the bill?
Nope, just tyring to figure out the issue that actually offends you. Based on your other thread (tenuously linking 1070 to hitler) and your comments to this point I had thought you were worried about hypothetical misbehavior by the police. Now that Flint has pointed out the flaw in that argument you've switched to the corruption angle.
Do you have a back up position if someone pokes holes in your corruption argument?
Nope, just tyring to figure out the issue that actually offends you. Based on your other thread (tenuously linking 1070 to hitler) and your comments to this point I had thought you were worried about hypothetical misbehavior by the police. Now that Flint has pointed out the flaw in that argument you've switched to the corruption angle.
Do you have a back up position if someone pokes holes in your corruption argument?
Flint poked no holes in my argument. Neither have you. My bottom line is the bill is wrong by singling out one specific group.
You can quote the text of the bill all you want, the reality is this IS racial profiling, it WILL be abused by law enforcement run by Sheriff Joe and no matter how much you disagree, it does not change that.
You do understand that Arpaio is only the county sherriff, right? He has no authority over any of the dozens of other LE organizations in AZ. Beyond that little detail you might want to remember that county deputies have been operating under these guidelines for quite awhile.
This isn't a 'get the beaner' law, it's a 'ICE doesn't do shit in phoenix so we'll ensure local LE are all on the same page as current federal law' law.
Flint poked no holes in my argument.
You haven't stated an argument that relates to this law. Do you have one?
You do understand that Arpaio is only the county sherriff, right? He has no authority over any of the dozens of other LE organizations in AZ. Beyond that little detail you might want to remember that county deputies have been operating under these guidelines for quite awhile.
This isn't a 'get the beaner' law, it's a 'ICE doesn't do shit in phoenix so we'll ensure local LE are all on the same page as current federal law' law.
Sheriff Joe has a funny way of interpreting rules. Like refusing to send his officers into towns where the city boards don't let him in to randomly search local businesses for illegals, even when there is no evidence they are there.
You haven't stated an argument that relates to this law. Do you have one?
One more time, my argument is with how this law came about as well as how I know it will be abused.
My understanding is the Az law is a carbon copy of the Federal law. The Feds aren't holding up their end of law enforcement, so the Az law just allows police to do what the Feds are not doing, which is protecting [COLOR=black]American[/COLOR] citizens.
Yeah, but its targeting people who break that law so its fucked up and abusive. See?
Sheriff Joe has a funny way of interpreting rules. Like refusing to send his officers into towns where the city boards don't let him in to randomly search local businesses for illegals, even when there is no evidence they are there.
Either you never leave Scottsdale or you are kidding. The town you are talking about is Guadalupe. They don't have their own police force and used to contract with the county for police services. Then they decided to start telling the Sherriff's office they only wanted some of the laws enforced. I can understand their request when you considering a very large portion of their town is illegal.
I'd just like to ask Sheldon straight out...do you support the sovereignty of the U.S. and its right to enforce its borders? For the sake of argument, lets say that the feds pull over a van full of suspected illegals. Do THEY have the right to ask for ID? If so, what is the difference between locals and feds doing the same job? If not, WTF?
Here is my opinion:
I don't give a flying fuck how someone gets into this country. If they work and pay taxes, they can be emigres from Hell for all I care.
One world; one people.
Oh, so you oppose ANY kind of immigration law, including the FEDERAL immigration laws which ALREADY EXIST. So, I assume you are writing congress to get those FEDERAL immigration laws taken off the books, right? Because they are racist, and blah blah blah, whatever... right?
Certainly you're not thinking that Arizona passing an identical law would change the federal law that already exists, are you? That would mean that you know nothing about this subject and have done nothing to try to understand it. That can't be the case, can it?
Poor Mr. Stevens, dying in a fire over a simple misunderstanding.
That's a great philosphy. Now if only we can get everyone to stand in a giant group hug we'll be all set.
See the problem you're encountering is that you don't want to worry about pesky little things like borders, laws, and public safety. You want to live in a fuzzy little imaginary world where only peace loving, hard working, jolly good folks are welcomed with open arms. You'll ignore the fact they are breaking the law by entering the country without permission because, by golly, they aren't crimininals. It must be difficult for you to ignore the human trafficking, forced prostitution, and drug smuggling that goes hand in hand with illegal immigration.
Not to mention the permanent separate class these people exist in. They get services they don't pay for, even if they are employed, but in trade they live in constant fear of being caught and sent back. Every aspect of their life is shady, under the table, back alley... they are as much victims as they are criminals. It's just not right.