Lieing Is NOT a Nessesity
In science fiction you make stuff up that appears close to the truth and technology tries to make it real. At one point people begin to believe and then when they see a flaw in the apparently flawless drama they call it a lie. The fact, it wasn't true to begin with and we have been building on fiction.
When I was in a summer fun program at "southern baptist" academy the care worker MR. Morrision use to create these elaborate stories and tell them to the children. The older kids knew it wasn't true and called him a liar, as at one point he told a child that a piece of barnical that they found at the beach was a mermaid brain. The younger kids looked at him with a fasination that made him a God.
So at one point you have to "come clean" and say yes it's not true. Lieing is not a nessesity. Once you get labled a liar it's difficult to find a common ground of truth, and to quit lieing. Science fiction is the basis of most of what I write, what's interesting is that it has a way of becoming science fact. Seperation of fact and fiction, such as a video game vs a philosophy of understanding is important because we find a variety of very interesting concepts in the video games today. Alot of the fictional games we play are very close to real life drams that play out in every day life.
Total Annilation for example. There's nothing real about it but it teaches military strategy, that can be very real if the user plays it long enough. These games may seem irreleveant to real life, but the conscious of the player is effected by the game it self.
So why lie?. "The rabbit" is a myth therefore it can't die unless people stop believing, just like Santa Clause. In order to defeat the lieing spirit one must find the first lie and repent then make a consious decesion not to lie anymore.
What we have created is a tangled web of mythogoly that we all know is not true from the begging. Kind of like a fishing story, the fish is always just a little bit bigger than you know it really was.
Spelling is not a necessity either, it would seem.
Oh, sure...way to grab the low hanging fruit there, Pie. I'm going to make fun of his apparent youth and naivete instead. That will demonstrate my perceptiveness and simultaneously make me seem mature and condescending.
so do you want to get down to business or do you want to keep playing games; either way is fine by me...
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/person.htmlI'd like to get down to business. Of course, I might be lieing.
so do you want to get down to business or do you want to keep playing games; either way is fine by me...
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/person.html
Why do you suppose one gets
down to business?
Why am i
up to no good? The
up perspective seems to lend itself to nefarious activities...... He's
up to something, I can tell.....
While down is good.... he's a very
down to earth guy..... get
down and boogie....
He's a lowdown dirty scoundrel. I'm a stand-up guy.
It's a matter of perspective. Getting high is a demented form of logic because ones state of being is usually off set buy the drug.
Aiming High is a form of logic that gets a special edge because the level of expertise for someone in the Air Force is "HIGHER."
To make a long story short your a pessimis, the glass is half empty.
eq. UP and Atom and Down and Out, would be a different perspective all togheter
It's a matter of perspective. Getting high is a demented form of logic because ones state of being is usually off set buy the drug.
Aiming High is a form of logic that gets a special edge because the level of expertise for someone in the Air Force is "HIGHER."
To make a long story short your a pesemis, the glass is half empty.
eq. UP and Atom and Down and Out, would be a different perspective all togheter
I think you've had a pesemis in your mouth before.
I sure hate that tangled web of mythogoly. It's sticky!
I think I'm going to enjoy ol JB here.
It certainly is sticky, however it's important to remember that, the test yielded remarkable results, so we must have done something right. Looking back if I could have it all to do over. I would have been much more tight lipped and more concerned with the majority rather than myself. I also would have focused on being more respondsable. I duno, I'm happy to be me. I just hope the universe is tollerable with my somewhat irrational state of being that I find myslef in.. everyone gets 15 mininutes of fame and mines up. So now it's just time to find myself. Anyone got any Ideas where I should look???
Do not look unto yourself any longer. Look to others.
Anyone got any Ideas where I should look???
Dictionary?
Seriously, JB, there are some interesting things to discuss here, but sometimes your meaning is obscured by poor spelling. Most of it we can figure out, but in some cases it does impede communication.
For example, from post #1
...but the conscious of the player is effected by the game it self.
... then make a consious decesion ...
The second "conscious" seems correct. The first might be either consciousness (state of mind) or conscience (sense of moral right and wrong) and that makes a big difference to your point.
I see a flaw in my logic called "I can't spell"... spelling is fundamental to the success of the net because we are dealing with programing languages. Poor spelling is my down fall, at one point I thought it wasn't important but know I most certainly do. People have told me to use google as a quick spell checker when the red line appears and I will try my hardest to do that. Sometimes I will slip, please don't grade me on my poor spelling because I am most notoriously know as being a systems failure. IF I am to continue any further, I must not make these mistakes repeatedly. Thank you for your concern.
I am concerned. Are you sure you're taking your meds?
Now Cloud, JB has made an honest concession and deserves consideration for that.
JB, is English your native language?
It might be that English is not his/her native language. That's a legit question.
He/she did make a concession to a point, took it pretty well, I'm with UT.
@ JBK: Lying is not a necessity: diplomacy, tact, and imagination are. Where do you differentiate?
JBK's grammar is excellent, so I guess English is his (her?) first language.
If it's any consolation, it wasn't until third year of university that I learned how to spell necessary, and the difference between it's and its. I had a PhD before I learned the difference between practise and practice.
English spelling is horribly inconsistent.
What is your situation, JBK? Studying? Graduated? What's your schtick?
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Welcome to the Cellar, JBKlyde.
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In triplicate.
Twenty-seven bee stroke six!! A twenty-seven bee stroke six!!! [goes catatonic]
I'm a HE. I am on my medication, and I see a very serious need to stay on them seeings how every time I have ever gone off my meds I have either ended up in Jail or the Hospital. I've never been in either for 28 days or more at a time. Actually I am feeling extremely sane at the moment . My Native Language is English, however I aspire to create a program language called ZXVD, "Zion X Valentines Day". It took me three tries to pass English 1 and 2 and when I did I fell in love with writing, but I flunked out of college. My differentiation ratio, I'd say, lies some where in the sands of time of science fiction, and the realm of pretend. My Goal is to be a visual communications major at ITT.
I had a PhD before I learned the difference between practise and practice.
FYI: "Practice" is the only accepted spelling in 'merica. don't confuse me!
Oh by the way, did anybody say :welcome: to the cellar, JB?
Someone might have, but more is always better.
Also, note that JBK has been around a bit.
FYI: "Practice" is the only accepted spelling in 'merica. don't confuse me!
Come back to it a bit later when you've had time to digest as such. You'll be fine...confusion will dissapate.
We make a big deal about spelling, but even Shakespeare couldn't spell. And his grammar was terrible. Just look at my signature line. Does that make any sense?
[COLOR=DimGray][FONT=Times New Roman]I sigh the lack of many a thing I sought,
And with old woes new wail my dear time's waste[/FONT][/COLOR]
We make a big deal about spelling, but even Shakespeare couldn't spell. And his grammar was terrible. Just look at my signature line. Does that make any sense?
[COLOR=DimGray][FONT=Times New Roman]I sigh the lack of many a thing I sought,
And with old woes new wail my dear time's waste[/FONT][/COLOR]
Fair point, but I side with Zen on this particular point.
it's just that he made a point of this word's spelling, and I had a minor freakout. What? I say. There are two spellings? I've missed this the whole life and am spelling things wrong? (oh, the horror!) So I had to look it up. Phew! It's only the furriners that spell it that way. (relief!)
I care less about how other people spell, than about how I spell.
I care less about how other people spell, than about how I spell.
Both take up thinking space with me.
Anyone who believes that lies are never necessary has never had parents or been in a relationship. :D
That's called a lying spirit...
One of the key elements in any relationship, be it a personal or professional one, is the ability to trust and be trusted. Without trust, we have no credibility which is at the core of being able to influence people and provide strong leadership. Without honesty, there is no foundation upon which to build a personal relationship with someone you love.
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Having integrity and being honest are fundamental requirements if you want to grow spiritually and follow your true destination of personal development. It’s not simply about being honest with people. Whilst that will make you a better person and a more accepted one it’s more importantly about being honest with yourself.
If we’re honest in all that we do and say, it means we are genuine, real and true whereas dishonesty symbolises all that is fake, fictitious and unreal.
Living your life honestly and with integrity means that you’ve decided to live openly and to show your true self to others and that you can be relied upon to be genuine. On the other hand, dishonesty is all about shade and concealment and living your life in ‘dark corners’. When you’re dishonest, it means that you remain living in the dark and cannot grow spiritually.
Honesty and integrity produce trust – trust in ourselves and in all those around us. Trust in turn produces confidence which we all need to conquer life’s problems and which also encourages us to take risks in order to fulfil our goals.
"I spent all day making this Indian dish. The recipe was very complicated. Do you like it?"
Either you like it or you don't.
You don't have to be a dick about not liking it if that's the case, but there's no reason to lie about it.
Hmmmmm... Interesting subject.
I say that lieing is a necessary evil of life. On many levels.
took me a second there. I though jinx was calling HLJ a dick. laf
"I love that you spent your time making me 11 bean soup and it tastes great.....but if I eat it at every meal for 3 days, which MIGHT use it all up before it goes bad, I'm afraid my asshole will fall off."
Great. Thanks. But when I throw out more soup than you eat it reduces my motivation to make more.
Telling the truth doesn't mean people are always going to be happy with what you say, it just means you have integrity and can be trusted.
@ JBK: Lying is not a necessity: diplomacy, tact, and imagination are. Where do you differentiate?
Exactly what they said, up there. Because, Mr Honest JBK, I asked you a legitimate question and you've ignored it. That's not honesty, when you invite people to ask you those sorts of questions then you play all around it.
And, as imperfect as I am, I try to be true.
Telling the truth doesn't mean people are always going to be happy with what you say, it just means you have integrity and can be trusted.
But sometimes it is just safer to not tell the "whole" truth about many things.
What you are trading for that safety is not insignificant.
But you may be protecting something that is quite significant, hence it is a safe move in and of itself.
Either you like it or you don't.
You don't have to be a dick about not liking it if that's the case, but there's no reason to lie about it.
I usually just use certain key words, like "interesting." "Hmm, that's interesting."
Then she says, "I know what that means. I guess I won't be making that again."
A friend of mine's mother is the queen of always making people feel good yet never, ever lying. Ever.
If you show her the living room you just redecorated in puke green, she will say, "Oh, you can really see how much work you've put into it! It will be so wonderful for you in the afternoons, with the sun shining in. I can just picture you reading in your chair, so cozy!"
Personally, I've found that people very rarely actually ask for an opinion on things anyway, and most people only find themselves in tact-or-honesty situations because they feel compelled to comment one way or the other even if no one's asked their opinion. If you're at someone's house for dinner, and the food is shit, just find a time to thank them for inviting you over, or don't say anything. A chef who actually asks "What did you think of the meal?" is being a dick in their own right, putting the guest on the spot for an expected lie, and deserves what they get.
I always tell the truth, except when I lie out of necessity; because, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
All humans lie. It is natural.
I only feel obligated to tell the truth to people I care about, and then only if they want to know*. I don't owe it to anyone else.
*Usually, they just want validations of their own opinions.
If you're ok with lying it must mean you're ok with being lied to.
Does that mean you trust everyone, or trust no one?
I'm lying right now.
:: BRAIN ANEURYSM::
Anyone who believes that lies are never necessary has never had parents or been in a relationship. :D
I only feel obligated to tell the truth to people I care about, and then only if they want to know*. I don't owe it to anyone else.
*Usually, they just want validations of their own opinions.
Interesting dichotomy. I have to agree with Sheldon.
I still think there's a huge difference between "I'm too weak and pasty to be honest with people and I have nothing to offer so I'll make myself look or feel better by making shit up" and being tactful and respectful.
The former are the people who cheated at Monopoly as kids, like winning by cheating is anything close to actual winning.
The latter are the people who don't walk up and say "DAMN you are one ugly bitch." :lol:
Of course, I'm a known liar-hater. Always hating on the liars.
If you're ok with lying it must mean you're ok with being lied to.
Does that mean you trust everyone, or trust no one?
No one, for the most part. Because even if I never lied, and wasn't okay with being lied to... I'd still get lied to, and still trust no one, for the most part. It's more like, I trust those close to me to not lie about the important things, and to have the wisdom to know the difference.
If you're ok with lying it must mean you're ok with being lied to.
Does that mean you trust everyone, or trust no one?
I assume I'm always being lied to. I haven't been disappointed yet.
To put it in less stark terms, I assume I have no insight into other's
real POV, motivations or standards. I (usually) will play along at whatever game they portray at any given moment.
I lost my trust when CP violation was proved.
If I believe that the person I'm talking to assumes they are being lied to, then I must lie to them so that they will not know the truth. All the negatives cancel out.
I just worry so much about my pants being on fire!
If I believe that the person I'm talking to assumes they are being lied to, then I must lie to them so that they will not know the truth. All the negatives cancel out.
Whoops! That should have been "If I believe that the person I'm talking to assumes they are being lied to, then I must lie to them so that they will know the truth."
I assume I'm always being lied to. I haven't been disappointed yet.
To put it in less stark terms, I assume I have no insight into other's real POV, motivations or standards. I (usually) will play along at whatever game they portray at any given moment.
I lost my trust when CP violation was proved.
CP violation?
In general I trust people unless I'm given reason not too. I've been disappointed many times, but it's not even a conscious thing... It occurs to me that people are often incorrect, but I'm continuously surprised that they lie.
I'm talking about real lies here, not what you say to annoying cow orkers fishing for compliments about their retarded new haircut - I agree with you on that front. I mean unsolicited deception.
If you're at someone's house for dinner, and the food is shit, just find a time to thank them for inviting you over, or don't say anything. A chef who actually asks "What did you think of the meal?" is being a dick in their own right, putting the guest on the spot for an expected lie, and deserves what they get.
I take inspiration from the blue soup scene in Bridget Jones's Diary for this kind of situation.
CP violation?
In general I trust people unless I'm given reason not too. I've been disappointed many times, but it's not even a conscious thing... It occurs to me that people are often incorrect, but I'm continuously surprised that they lie.
I'm talking about real lies here, not what you say to annoying cow orkers fishing for compliments about their retarded new haircut - I agree with you on that front. I mean unsolicited deception.
That's a great way to put it: unsolicited deception. It feels almost like a diss to me, like they're saying "yes, you can't handle the truth." Well, I betcha I can. Otherwise, shut it!
I tend to warily trust people until they give me a reason not to, as well. I have known some skilled liars. The first inlking of deception, then, throws me into DEFCON 1 and it's unlikely I'll ever really trust that person again...even if it was a moment of weakness or apprehension on their part. Because I am naively honest, I don't understand why lies have to enter into it at all.
It's OK to be a private person, to not regurgitate every thought, to not put oneself completely 'out there' but whatever comes out should be truthful...or everything else becomes suspect.
I like people who can be straight up.
Straight up can be respectful,humorous, teasing but with no alterior motive, passive aggressive baggage kind of way.