Phoenix nun excommunicated for allowing abortion

The Catholic church is not helping itself with this shit. Pedophilic priests are let off the hook but a nun saving a woman's life is excommunicated?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072

And God knows we can always use another reason to be ashamed and embarassed here in AZ.

Thats ridiculous under those circumstances.

Catholics are embarrassed everywhere.

I go to a lot of meetings that start out "We admitted we were powerless..."

Most of the people in those meetings are/used to be/brought up as Catholic.

Kinda makes me wonder if those two things are kind of, ya know, 'connected.'

Catholicism has deep roots in guilt and alcohol (leaving the whole subjugation of women thing aside for the moment, it's really too horrendous to contemplate that big picture) so they probably are, ya know, 'connected.' (and in my head I heard you saying that as Marge Gunderson, which I think you intended?) ;)

Ehrich agrees that sexual abuse can't be tolerated. But he says neither can McBride's actions.

"She said, 'Yes, you can kill that unborn child.' That's a heinous act. And I'm not going to make a distinction between what's worse. They're both abhorrent," Ehrich says.

Ehrich says the nun can be admitted back into the Catholic community by going to confession and repenting. McBride still works at the hospital in another position. Whether she is allowed to remain in her religious order, Erich says that is up to the Sisters of Mercy.

You're HEINOUS. Now go sit in a booth, then say 10 Hell Marty's and 10 Are Farters, and it'll be OK.

...But hey, a cold-blooded murderer of an adult could go to confession, be absolved of his sins, and ascend into heaven?

That makes total sense.

Is the Church supposed to be consistent in its positions and rules over the centuries, or is it supposed to flip flop all over the place with every change in public opinion each generation?

Church is in a tough position here. The nun is openly defying church doctrine on abortion. They have to kick her out of their club.

But the pedophiles weren't openly doing anything. They were hiding what they did, and it made it easy for the Church to sweep under the carpet.

While any rational person today considers what the nun did to be the obvious right thing and pedophiles to be vermin, the Church thinks they are both sinners. And the "sinning" nun is unrepentant and defiant. That's why she is getting excommunicated.

This is just one more example of how the Church is out of touch and shows why it's dying off. But I can't fault them for being consistent in their position on abortion.

1. HIPPA?

2. Consistency?

Inspired by calls of "Santo Subito!" ("Saint Immediately!") from the crowds gathered during the funeral,[16][154][17][168][169][170] Benedict XVI began the beatification process for his predecessor, bypassing the normal restriction that five years must pass after a person's death before the beatification process can begin.[17][168][171][172] In an audience with Pope Benedict XVI, Camillo Ruini, Vicar General of the Diocese of Rome and the one responsible for promoting the cause for canonisation of any person who dies within that diocese, cited "exceptional circumstances" which suggested that the waiting period could be waived.

Quoting: "You can't do evil to bring about good. The end does not justify the means"

You can't do evil [let this woman and her ipso facto unviable fetus die] to bring about good. [uphold church doctrine]

The end doesn't justify the means.

neener neener neener

squirell nutkin;658069 wrote:

neener neener neener

*snort*

squirell nutkin;658069 wrote:

You can't do evil [let this woman and her ipso facto unviable fetus die] to bring about good. [uphold church doctrine]

The church has no say in a relationship between a doctor and his patients. The pupose of a hospital says so. The church is not even a religion- despite church officials who remain in denial. The church is only a consultant, advisor, or agent in this relationship - a religion. The church has no right dictating religion. It can only advise. And it must conform to reality that includes the law and the purpose of a hospital.

What happens in a relationship between you and your GM stock? Anything Goldman Sachs does to subvert your relationship makes Goldman Sachs a legal violator. Same applies to the Church. Church can advise. Anything it does to subvert the religions of a doctor or patient (should) make the church legally criminal. Church has no right to impose a relationship between the doctor and his patient. Does not even have the right to impose a relationship between any person and his god. That is the Church trying to subvert the laws, AMA, other responsible organization, and the relationship between a person and his god.

But the Bishop is about feelings - screw responsibility. His emotions are hurt. Too bad. The hospital administrator's job is first and foremost to the doctor and patient - in a logical manner. No religion or church morality has any standing in that relationship. By interfering, the church should be sued. Only question: should it be a criminal or civil lawsuit.

Unfortunately, too many people do not understand this - even find acceptable church doctrine that orders American law makers to change American laws according to church doctrine. Shame on them - which even explains why the Church all but endorsed pedophilia.

And, BTW, I am being easy on the Catholic Church – because they still will not excommunicate me. Apparently you don’t get excommunicated according to what god knows. You only get excommunicated because management is emotionally upset. Or does god talk to the bishop?

85% of all problems are caused by god.

Pie;658118 wrote:

85% of all problems are caused by god.

Really? I thought you were atheist.

Rather, say that a lot of problems are caused by people doing stupid shit in the name of God.

glatt;658062 wrote:

Is the Church supposed to be consistent in its positions and rules over the centuries, or is it supposed to flip flop all over the place with every change in public opinion each generation?
~snip~

The Church has lightened its views on many things over the years, for public opinion and comfort. Anything from cushioned kneelers and taking the host into your own hand to put it in your mouth to changing their views on unbaptized babies going to limbo. (How this was ever up to them, I don't know.)

This is more of an aside to the conversation, but the Church does indeed change to meet many needs and in response to public opinion and perception.

tw;658112 wrote:

The church has no say in a relationship between a doctor and his patients. The pupose of a hospital says so. The church is not even a religion- despite church officials who remain in denial. The church is only a consultant, advisor, or agent in this relationship - a religion. The church has no right dictating religion. It can only advise. And it must conform to reality that includes the law and the purpose of a hospital.

What happens in a relationship between you and your GM stock? Anything Goldman Sachs does to subvert your relationship makes Goldman Sachs a legal violator. Same applies to the Church. Church can advise. Anything it does to subvert the religions of a doctor or patient (should) make the church legally criminal. Church has no right to impose a relationship between the doctor and his patient. Does not even have the right to impose a relationship between any person and his god. That is the Church trying to subvert the laws, AMA, other responsible organization, and the relationship between a person and his god.

But the Bishop is about feelings - screw responsibility. His emotions are hurt. Too bad. The hospital administrator's job is first and foremost to the doctor and patient - in a logical manner. No religion or church morality has any standing in that relationship. By interfering, the church should be sued. Only question: should it be a criminal or civil lawsuit.

Unfortunately, too many people do not understand this - even find acceptable church doctrine that orders American law makers to change American laws according to church doctrine. Shame on them - which even explains why the Church all but endorsed pedophilia.

And, BTW, I am being easy on the Catholic Church – because they still will not excommunicate me. Apparently you don’t get excommunicated according to what god knows. You only get excommunicated because management is emotionally upset. Or does god talk to the bishop?

Excellent point!

I haven't read the article, but I thought it was interesting, under the circumstances, that her religious order is called the Sisters of Mercy.

Pete Zicato;658123 wrote:

Really? I thought you were atheist.

Rather, say that a lot of problems are caused by people doing stupid shit in the name of God.

Yah, my statement was tongue-in-cheek.

I completely agree with your statement.

Clone thread: something about pneumothorax.

Pie;658118 wrote:

85% of all problems are caused by god.

When people do things in vain, are they taking god's name in vain. There's a commandment for that.

tw;658225 wrote:

When people do things in vain, are they taking god's name in vain. There's a commandment for that.

There's an app for that! :D

squirell nutkin;658138 wrote:

Excellent point!

Points have no area or length. We're talking a tw post here, so maybe "Excellent acre" might be more truthful. :rolleyes:

This has got me thinking a bit. I mean, they don't even excommunicate murderers or pedophiles, do they?

No, I think the protect them and move them to a new parish. :p

HungLikeJesus;658143 wrote:

I haven't read the article, but I thought it was interesting, under the circumstances, that her religious order is called the Sisters of Mercy.

They're the Rebels of the Nun World.

Really.

Activist nuns. Nothing like the Sisters of Saint Joseph, who are the ones that do ninja-like things with rulers and erasers.