Sex offender castration, necessary? I think so...
http://www.wthr.com/global/story.asp?s=12425136
Police say Logansport 4-year-old was raped
Logansport - Police say they are talking to a person of interest in the suspected rape of a four-year-old girl in Logansport.
A city worker driving past spotted the girl crying at the corner of Plum and Linden, a block from her house, around 6:30 a.m. Sunday.
"She was crying, wearing her nightgown, told him she was going home," said Logansport Police Lt. Cathi Collins.
The child then went home and went to sleep.
"Her siblings awoke and realized she was in disarray and woke mom up," Lt. Collins said.
The mother later called police, saying the girl had been beaten, choked and raped.
"Horrible. I think in the 30 years I've been here, it's probably the worst I've seen," Lt. Collins said.
By Tuesday afternoon, police had located a person of interest and officers walked every inch of the neighborhood.
"Wanted to know if we saw anything and, no, unfortunately, we didn't see a thing," said neighbor Joellen Roberts.
Police asked everyone with a garage for permission to search their garage. Folks said yes. Police wanted to inspect garages because they have evidence the assault occurred in a garage.
Investigators think they've found the crime scene, a garage very close to the preschooler's house. It's unclear how she ended up in that garage sometime between 3:00 and 6:30 a.m. Sunday.
Checking the state's sex offender registry, 22 violent and sex offenders appear within a mile of the girl's house. Some of them are classified as sexual predators. Eight of the offenders are within a half-mile of the home.
"In a park right in the neighborhood and stuff, you know, it's not good at all," said a neighbor.
An arrest will calm fears in the Cass County town.
"You almost want to keep her on a leash, because it's really scary to think that it happened this close to home," said Raine Monahan, the grandmother of a four-year-old.
"I've got a three-year-old, so it's like, it could happen to him. And now I'm like, I won't even let him go outside. Not anymore," said another neighbor. "It's crazy, it's sickening."
Because the victim is so young, there are questions, such as, "How did the suspect get access to her?" The police say there are no signs of forced entry at the home, but windows were left open at the house that night.
The girl is recovering and out of the hospital after the alleged assault.
Castration? No.
Single bullet - yup. . . or maybe just cut his d*ck off and let him bleed to death. There is no reason someone who does something like this should be on this planet another moment.
ya gotta wonder how people live with themselves
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If they ever find a DNA match, gimme a gun and I'll happily do him.
That kind of person has nothing to do in this world.
Depends where he lives I suppose.
If it's in California he'd end up locked away in Coalinga for the rest of his life, even after serving the sentence passed down by a judge. With no legal recourse for release even if he agrees to chemical castration.
Enforced imprisonment outside the legal system with no hope of release. You don't get that for raping a girl over 16. You generally don't get that if you rape and murder her.
Obviously I'm not pro-paedophilia, but I think there are some places where laws are at least as harsh as they need to be.
Dani did you hear about the sentence for the man murdering his 5 day old daughter handed out today?
Five years.
Slammed her down on a changing table first time he was left alone with her.
I'm not making any point here. I'm just saying.
Jungle Justice baby! That means being subject to the swift laws of cause and effect.
You invade a pride of lions and violate one of their young, your going to be eaten - period.
The "choice" to commit predatory crimes creates the causes to forfeit one's life.
Predators such as these have a "hard wiring" issue that cannot be corrected, rehabilitated, etc. Their death benefits all, while their continued existence does not.
Therefore, we help protect the gene pool and thin the herd.
I think there should be some sort of system where people like this are charged with the crime, and the police get to show the evidence they have that these guys did it, and these guys get a chance to show it wasn't actually them, and then someone, or a group of people act as a sort of referee where they decide if they are pretty sure that the guy did it or not. And then they look at how bad the thing was that the guy did, and then they look at what the rules are for the punishments you give for the kind of bad thing these guys did, and then the referee(s) decide on the punishment, working within those rules. And I think it should be a calm and thoughtful process where these referee(s) use their minds. Oh, and these referees, they shouldn't be a bunch of snooty rich people. They should be regular people.
I think there should be some sort of system where people like this are charged with the crime, and the police get to show the evidence they have that these guys did it, and these guys get a chance to show it wasn't actually them, and then someone, or a group of people act as a sort of referee where they decide if they are pretty sure that the guy did it or not. And then they look at how bad the thing was that the guy did, and then they look at what the rules are for the punishments you give for the kind of bad thing these guys did, and then the referee(s) decide on the punishment, working within those rules. And I think it should be a calm and thoughtful process where these referee(s) use their minds. Oh, and these referees, they shouldn't be a bunch of snooty rich people. They should be regular people.
That's a brilliant idea! Hopefully, it won't be a group of, like, 12 Angry Men. ;)
Jungle Justice baby! That means being subject to the swift laws of cause and effect.
You invade a pride of lions and violate one of their young, your going to be eaten - period.
The "choice" to commit predatory crimes creates the causes to forfeit one's life.
Predators such as these have a "hard wiring" issue that cannot be corrected, rehabilitated, etc. Their death benefits all, while their continued existence does not.
Therefore, we help protect the gene pool and thin the herd.
There is a trend towards that kind of behaviour. A male lion taking over the pride kills all the cubs, so that the females immediately go into heat and all new cubs are born with his genes. Stepfathers (offical or common-law) are FAR more likely to kill or abuse children who do not carry their genes.
Law of the jungle, baby.
[justsayin']Rape is not about 'sex' it's a crime of violence. If castration is the 'cure' for male rapists, what do we propose we do to women who rape?[/justsayin']
I think there should be some sort of system where people like this are charged with the crime, and the police get to show the evidence they have that these guys did it, and these guys get a chance to show it wasn't actually them, and then someone, or a group of people act as a sort of referee where they decide if they are pretty sure that the guy did it or not. And then they look at how bad the thing was that the guy did, and then they look at what the rules are for the punishments you give for the kind of bad thing these guys did, and then the referee(s) decide on the punishment, working within those rules. And I think it should be a calm and thoughtful process where these referee(s) use their minds. Oh, and these referees, they shouldn't be a bunch of snooty rich people. They should be regular people.
I'll trade you three 'breaking and entering', a shoplifter, three 'drunk and disorderlies' and a 2nd time DUI for a plea bargain from child rape to endangering the welfare of a minor. Do we have a deal?
Sadly, when some kids grow up they are not content to trade baseball cards.
... and then they look at what the rules are for the punishments you give for the kind of bad thing these guys did, and then the referee(s) decide on the punishment, working within those rules.
But can we shoot it off and let him bleed to death? Is that in the rules somewhere?
Can I get a copy?
If they are not going to incarcerate them for any length of time, I think all they need is a hole to pee out of. What are the stats for women that rape? How is that accomplished?:eyebrow:
Seriously?
Women molest their own children, with sticks and hands and...yeah, it happens.
Violence isn't curbed by cutting off the wee-wee.
There is a trend towards that kind of behaviour. A male lion taking over the pride kills all the cubs, so that the females immediately go into heat and all new cubs are born with his genes. Stepfathers (offical or common-law) are FAR more likely to kill or abuse children who do not carry their genes.
Law of the jungle, baby.
Completely different set of circumstances/variables/causation, therefore, different effect than I was describing.
However, as an experiment, I just engaged a pride of lions, killed the alpha-male and all cubs.
Although I gave it my most sincere effort, I can assure you that none of the felines wanted to have sex with me...
Again.
I couldn't even impress them with my user name!?
and what punishment for the parents whose child was out in their nightdress in the middle of the night and they had no idea?
Violence isn't curbed by cutting off the wee-wee.
I disagree castration takes away the hormones and they have nothing that gives them pleasure in that way.
and what punishment for the parents whose child was out in their nightdress in the middle of the night and they had no idea?
Agreed! There is a serious omission in this story's time line where the parents are completely unaware of, well, anything. Child is abducted or leaves home in the middle of the night, returns and goes back to bed before anyone takes notice?
I suppose anything could happen, but it is quite suspect.
and what punishment for the parents whose child was out in their nightdress in the middle of the night and they had no idea?
I thought the story said the child was abducted from the home. I know people whose bedrooms are far enough away from their children's that they wouldn't hear quiet sounds. Perhaps the parents are heavy sleepers? Might be bad parenting, might not be.
It is hard to imagine a traumatized four year old opting to go back to bed rather than seek out its parents. That's a hard one to parse.
I thought the story said the child was abducted from the home. I know people whose bedrooms are far enough away from their children's that they wouldn't hear quiet sounds. Perhaps the parents are heavy sleepers? Might be bad parenting, might not be.
Almost as a footnote at the end of the story:
Because the victim is so young, there are questions, such as, "How did the suspect get access to her?" The police say there are no signs of forced entry at the home, but windows were left open at the house that night.
If you have a 4yo, you don't leave windows open that they could get out of, do you? really? And especially not if there are people around who might want to get in....
Almost as a footnote at the end of the story:
If you have a 4yo, you don't leave windows open that they could get out of, do you? really? And especially not if there are people around who might want to get in....
You should leave windows open period.
I don't think castration is the answer to pedophilia. It seems like a false sense of security; a cut and release policy isn't going to make anyone safer not really it really means that this pedophilia just has one less tool at his disposal.
Furthermore, incarceration outside the legal sentience of a judge(excluding prehearing detention) is not just wrong it is anti-American. If we are enforcing laws outside of the legal system then we are nothing more than a mob not only a mob but a lazy one that wont go out and draw and quarter its pedophiles but just locks them away illegally.
Finally I don't think true pedophiles or serial rapist can reformed; they are sick, mentally, and there is nothing that can be done to change them said for locking them in a deep dark hole or execution (fuck lethal injection bring back public execution by guillotine) which out laws should reflect.
Once they have absolute proof they have the right guy, castrate him right then and there and then make him choke to death on his own balls. No prison time, no appeals, just pain and death.
I disagree castration takes away the hormones and they have nothing that gives them pleasure in that way.
I've seen interviews with individuals who have undergone voluntary chemical castration and still fight the impulse to abuse. Castration does not address the behavioural disorder.
Does it help them win the fight?
I've seen interviews with individuals who have undergone voluntary chemical castration and still fight the impulse to abuse. Castration does not address the behavioural disorder.
I don't think chemical castration works. Testosterone can reverse this and its available.
Checking the state's sex offender registry, 22 violent and sex offenders appear within a mile of the girl's house. Some of them are classified as sexual predators. Eight of the offenders are within a half-mile of the home.
How hard could it be to round up an angry mob to burn down 22 houses in one night? I'm not seeing much of a downside...because even if you don't get the right one, you still got 22 scumbags who don't deserve to live. And if they scurry from their ratholes, you could easily round them up and perform some of the other corrective actions described in this thread.
I don't think any other sexual predators would be moving into that neighborhood. Of course, there is the potential problem of developing some Freddy Krugerism.
Almost as a footnote at the end of the story:
If you have a 4yo, you don't leave windows open that they could get out of, do you? really? And especially not if there are people around who might want to get in....
True, we keep ours inaccessible, certainly no windows open and we are right in the next room. I wonder what else was left out of the story. Remember the one where the parents were asleep while the pit bull or rotty gnawed off the baby's feet?
Finally I don't think true pedophiles or serial rapist can reformed; they are sick, mentally, and there is nothing that can be done to change them said for locking them in a deep dark hole or execution (fuck lethal injection bring back public execution by guillotine) which out laws should reflect.
While I'm all for public execution, it never works as a deterrent. I think it serves more as a means of revenge that satisfies everyone else's sense of justice.
We leave windows and doors open at night here. It is concievable that someone could come in and abduct our children (although I think they'd have trouble with the big ones). I might behave differently if we didn't have dogs in the yard with access to all areas of the exterior of the house, but I've never been without at least one large dog, which in my opinion is a better deterant than a locked door or window.
With regard to the topic of the thread.
Castration might not be a deterant, but it certainly couldn't hurt to do it anyway. Pun intended.
How hard could it be to round up an angry mob to burn down 22 houses in one night? I'm not seeing much of a downside...because even if you don't get the right one, you still got 22 scumbags who don't deserve to live. And if they scurry from their ratholes, you could easily round them up and perform some of the other corrective actions described in this thread.
I don't think any other sexual predators would be moving into that neighborhood. Of course, there is the potential problem of developing some Freddy Krugerism.
Don't forget the 18 year old guy that got caught bonking his 16 year old girlfriend, before they got married, had three kids, and lived happily ever after, is still a registered sex offender.
While I'm all for public execution, it never works as a deterrent. I think it serves more as a means of revenge that satisfies everyone else's sense of justice.
Works for me... and solves the problem at hand.
While I'm all for public execution, it never works as a deterrent.
Well it certainly deters the executed one :thepain2:
Don't forget the 18 year old guy that got caught bonking his 16 year old girlfriend, before they got married, had three kids, and lived happily ever after, is still a registered sex offender.
You're right, of course. I know a "registered sex offender" who is a completely normal mother of three kids. Once upon a time, she found out that a boyfriend of hers was slightly underage (she was slightly over age). When she broke it off, he got depressed. The parents pressed charges.
Yes, so we'll have to round 'em all up and torture each one until they confess... then kill 'em. Much more civilized that way.
Also note that the crappy journalist included "violent and sex offenders" in the tally, which I'm pretty sure means violent offenders and sex offenders. So you're counting the dude who got into a barfight that one time, too.
I wondered about that but he started off the sentence...
Checking the state's sex offender registry, 22 violent and sex offenders appear....
I couldn't figure out if the registry is all inclusive or not?
Bruce, you added an excellent point. I had a friend who was dating someone who was 2 years younger than him, she was barely a minor. Parents were okay with them being together until he broke up with her for someone else... and the parents pressed charges. Now he's on the registry.
And recently they changed the registry, I believe. Now you either ARE or you AREN'T an offender. the old registry listed them by class. So now, the guy who slapped the girl's ass at the bar because he thought she was hot gets lumped in with the guy who raped 5 women and 2 kids. My kids' school sent home a note about the new changes, and I was talking to someone who said their so-and-so couldn't go to see his kids' recitals at school anymore, because he had some bogus charge before he was even a parent. It didn't matter to the school a few weeks before the law was changed, but now- under the new law- he's not allowed on the school grounds. Talk about failing the public. I'm all for protecting the school yard from sexual predators, but I think in rare cases like these, they should be able to petition the school board for some sort of waiver, to show that they didn't really do anything, and don't really deserve to be shut out.
Pat, do you make and promote these videos for a living or is it a hobby?
While I'm all for public execution, it never works as a deterrent. I think it serves more as a means of revenge that satisfies everyone else's sense of justice.
Which is the same as castration; something that will not help the problem but make everyone feel better about the situation.
Public execution certainly stops one pedophile from ever doing it again - can't say the same for castration though.
(assuming he's been found guilty by a jury of his peers and all that.)
Assuming that the offender (male or female) is guilty that would stop reoffending.
Bring on the guillotine and a live web feed I say.
Ohhh - I like that tora! I like that a lot - maybe even a pay-per-view with the proceeds going to help the kids or something.
I'm not sure that public execution is a good thing either as a deterrent or a revenge. I wouldn't want to abase myself by being so bloodthirsty.
Nowadays, we have the technical means to determine if a person is the culprit, mostly by the use of DNA analysis.
The last person to be executed by guillotine in France was convicted of raping and killing a little girl. But even today, with all our technical arsenal, no one knows for certain if he did it. That's what prompted the fight over the death penalty, and finally the ban.
Therefore, before starting to hand death sentences again, I think, IMHO, that we need to define which kinds of crime make the death penalty come into play and what are the rules for that (DNA present, nor present, witness reliability, etc) and alternate sentences.
Then, when it is done, we will have to enshrine it in the Constitution in a way that no politician, can change it, no matter what circumstances can be. Otherwise, we could find ourselves back in the days where stealing bread because we are starving could bring a swift death.
This is my own opinion, one I had more than 20 years to forge since I became an responsible adult.(Majority in France is 18 - I'm not sure about the responsible part :) ).
I changed from no death penalty to kill them all and now to a selective attitude.