Military shuts down fast food in Afghanistan - "It's not an amusement park"
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Now knowing how badly suppliers rip off the military, for all I know the Pentagon's cost for a Whopper could be the same as a rocket launcher, but even so this seems sort of tough.
In the sprawling military base at Kandahar, the fast food outlets facing the axe include Burger King, Pizza Hut, and the U.S. chain restaurant T.G.I. Friday's that features a bar with alcohol-free margaritas and other drinks -- all set along the bustling "Boardwalk" area of the base.
The U.S. military says its beef with the burger joints is that they take up valuable resources like water, power, flight and convoy space and that cutting back on non-essentials is key to running an efficient military operation.
"This is a war zone -- not an amusement park," Command Sgt. Maj. Michael Hall wrote in a blog earlier this year.
"Supplying nonessential luxuries to big bases like Bagram and Kandahar makes it harder to get essential items to combat outposts and forward operating bases, where troops who are in the fight each day need resupply with ammunition, food and water."
I guess you don't get to be Sgt. Major without learning how to tell the difference between a war zone and an amusement park.
I think troops who are in the fight each day might like to know they can get a slice of pizza when they get off the front lines. I can only assume that they know that they're in a war zone. After 8+ years in Afghanistan, are our supply lines so fragile that we can't ship pizza and mortar rounds at the same time?
Not an amusement park? How are we going to break the news to Big Sarge?
That's
Command Sgt. Major, and he knows better than anyone the supply lines fragility. The air traffic at Bagram and Kandahar is horrific, and he wants the supply lines, to the guys actually doing the fighting, not to be compromised supplying nonessentials to the guys that are at those bases as support.
There are no front lines, the people fighting are scattered at outposts where they are in constant combat with the enemy. They are stuck there until their unit is rotated out, or they are flown out on a litter. Either way, when they past through Bagram or Kandahar, pizza is the last thing on their minds.
The Command Sgt. Major is obviously more concerned for the safety and welfare of the fighting units than the off duty pleasure of the support personnel at the relatively safe supply bases.
I would suggest that you follow
Mike Yon's descriptions of how this war is playing out.
That's Command Sgt. Major, and he knows better than anyone the supply lines fragility. The air traffic at Bagram and Kandahar is horrific, and he wants the supply lines, to the guys actually doing the fighting, not to be compromised supplying nonessentials to the guys that are at those bases as support.
There are no front lines, the people fighting are scattered at outposts where they are in constant combat with the enemy. They are stuck there until their unit is rotated out, or they are flown out on a litter. Either way, when they past through Bagram or Kandahar, pizza is the last thing on their minds.
The Command Sgt. Major is obviously more concerned for the safety and welfare of the fighting units than the off duty pleasure of the support personnel at the relatively safe supply bases.
I would suggest that you follow Mike Yon's descriptions of how this war is playing out.
So after 8 years we have not built up the infrastructure to support our supply chain? That is kind of scary.
Don't the line units get rotated back to the bases?
Is there any "suplly line" difference between providing a slice of pizza to a soldier in TGIF, or in the mess hall?
Who is working at these restaurants?
probably Halliburton contract workers, or similar.
probably Halliburton contract workers, or similar.
I hope they wear their flair!
really?!?!?!? I wouldn't have expected that type of employee from them.
really?!?!?!? I wouldn't have expected that type of employee from them.
Could you imagine Big Sarge wearing flair?:D
What are you talking about? Everything Big Sarge does has flair.
So after 8 years we have not built up the infrastructure to support our supply chain? That is kind of scary.
No, we were distracted by Iraq, remember. When we got back to the real problem, Afghanistan, there was even less supply chain. Russia pressured, and bribed, it's former USSR states not to let us use airspace, and the only land line through Pakistan has become unreliable by stepped up Taliban attacks on both sides of the border.
Don't forget there are a hell of a lot more troops to supply now, and they are using a lot more materiel with the increase in fighting.
Don't the line units get rotated back to the bases?
As I understand it, the fighting units may sometimes change outposts as the campaign dictates, but they are in the thick of it for the duration of their tour, then rotated home as a unit. I haven't read anything about R&R during their tours.
Counter-insurgent warfare is up close and personal, the units work like sports teams. They have to trust and depend on each other, and you just can't rotate unknown people in and out. They are stretched pretty thin, in most cases, anyway. The current "surge" is manning more outposts, but they are still small units.
Bagram and Kandahar are support and command bases, operating full capacity air traffic, both military and commercial, 24/7.
So when all of you armchair quarterbacks were there what did you think?
My cousin who just got home from there had a couple of weeks off during his tour. He didn't think it was a picnic being at the base regardless of the fast food joints around, and he much preferred getting care packages from us here at home than going to burger king or any of the others.
I didn't ask him, but I don't think he cared if there was junk food available or not. He was there to do a job and just wanted it done as quickly and safely as possible.
And then to get home in one bit. Good on him. Glad he is OK.
So when all of you armchair quarterbacks were there what did you think?
Arm chair. That's it.... I kept thinking monday morning but knew it wasn't quite right. Thx.
The only bit I know about military logistics is from reading Pagonis's book. As a general rule, in any supply chain there is a certain amount of elasticity. In theory, there should be excess capacity which is occupied by luxuries, say 20 pallets of frozen pizza dough. In an emergency, those 20 pallets can be replaced by an AFV or tank.
If I understand this correctly, then the either capacity to move necessary supplies has shrunk, the amount of necessary supplies has risen, or the amount of unnecessary supplies has risen.
Option C means that the excess capacity is still there if needed. Options A or B mean that operations have expanded or capacity has shrunk.
It really sucks that in all the money that got sucked into Iraq, building literally crappy buildings, not to mention a 'super embassy' compound that we are probably going to be forced to abandon in the near future, noone could find a spare 100 million to upgrade two airports in Afghanistan.
My experience has been that there was but one company that was pre-positioned to provide service to deployed troops, and I was the receipent of those services, Haliburton. Love them or hate them, they were the only company who over the 50 years learned to pre-position themselves to provide the services that we needed. Were they always good? no. Where they always there? yes. The whole smoke and mirrors bullshit arguement that there were "no bid" contracts was a weak arguement put forward by those who failed to get in the game early. Were the buildings crapy? sure, but the beat laying in the sand. Did all the generators work all the time? nope, but there were people there to fix them. Did the food suck? Nope, because we ate pretty damm well.
Screw the armchair quarterbacks.
My experience has been that there was but one company that was pre-positioned to provide service to deployed troops, and I was the receipent of those services, Haliburton. Love them or hate them, they were the only company who over the 50 years learned to pre-position themselves to provide the services that we needed. Were they always good? no. Where they always there? yes. The whole smoke and mirrors bullshit arguement that there were "no bid" contracts was a weak arguement put forward by those who failed to get in the game early. Were the buildings crapy? sure, but the beat laying in the sand. Did all the generators work all the time? nope, but there were people there to fix them. Did the food suck? Nope, because we ate pretty damm well.
Screw the armchair quarterbacks.
Ask folks in the inner city or those, particularly minorities. who feel disenfranchised and they will say the same thing about ACORN.
For forty years they pre-positioned themselves to be there for the underserved community. The whole smoke and mirrors bullshit argument that they had an institutional plan to commit voter fraud was a weak argument by those who did not want to see increased voter participation in the minority communities.l
Were they always good? no Did the minority community get assistance with housing, credit and finance issues, voter registration. You bet they did.
And they never sexually molested (
or allegedly gang raped) a co-worker or knowingly endangered the lives of others and
committed negligent homicide from faulty wiring in showers.
Screw you, hypocrite.
Ask folks in the inner city or those who feel disenfranchised and they will say the same thing about ACORN. For forty years they pre-positioned themselves to be there for the underserved community. The whole smoke and mirrors bullshit argument that they had an institutional plan to commit voter fraud was a weak argument by those who did not want to see increased voter participation in the minority communities.l
Were they always good? no Did the minority community get assistance with housing, credit and finance issues, voter registration. You bet they did.
And they never sexually molested a co-worker or knowingly endangered the lives of others.
Screw you, hypocrite.
Fuck off you idiot. Don't try to redirect the subject. This is not a discussion of the tit suckers...
Fuck those ACORN law breakers. They were the ones who were committing voter fraud, and they got caught now didn't they? The whole race card has been over played by your Demoncratic Party scumbags.... See you in Nov. :D
Fuck off you idiot. The don't try to redirect the subject. This is not a discussion of the tit suckers...
Cant take the heat? Too fucking bad.
You might think gang rape and negligent homicide is no big deal. Not me, dude.
Tit sucking? How about grossly overcharging on govt contracts to the tune of $hundred of millions?
Cant take the heat? Too fucking bad.
You might think gang rape and negligent homicide is no big deal. Not me, dude.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Your party is fucked.... and I love it.
You might think gang rape and negligent homicide is no big deal. Not me, dude.
Ok, if it was Nancy give me a call, I could sell your video to the internet....
Smile, dude.
You've been exposed again for the hypocritical bullshiter you are.
Smile, dude.
You've been exposed again for the hypocritical bullshiter you are.
I have never varied from my position you Demoncratic Shrill...
You have been repeatedly exposed.
Your party is fucked in the Nov....
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
Your party is fucked.... and I love it.
I get it, dude.
You dont care about gang rape, negligent homicide, $millions in overcharges by Haliburton.
Its all about fuck ACORN and fuck the Democrats?
Very classy, dude.
I get it, dude.
You dont care about gang rape, negligent homicide, $millions in overcharges.
More concerned about fucking the Democrats?
Very classy, dude.
Gang rape? So you can prove that this was the responibility of a corp and not of a few individuals? Cool, I am sure that those involved would love your help!
But no, you really have nothing to add scumbag. You are trailing on the teathers of a news report....
The courts will sort out the bad people, as they should. Let the system work. But no, you have to stick your asshole on the post of Demoncratic and White House Talking Points spokesperson on this forum, you fail........
Fuck you and your party of Demoncats...
Gang rape? So you can prove that this was the responibility of a corp and not of a few individuals? Cool, I am sure that those involved would love your help!
But no, you really have nothing to add scumbag. You are trailing on the teathers of a news report....
The courts will sort out the bad people, as they should. Let the system work. But no, you have to stick your asshole on the post of Demoncratic and White House Talking Points spokesperson on this forum, you fail........
Fuck you and your party of Demoncats...
Same could be said about ACORN...a few bad people.....let the systew work....the courts will sort out the bad people as it should.
But no...not good enough for you....hypocrite.
You can dish out but you cant take it and your double standards have been exposed once again.
I made my point.
:lol2:
Same could be said about ACORN...a few bad people.....let the systew work....the courts will sort out the bad people as it should.
But no...not good enough for you....hypocrite.
Fuck you. Only your party will have to answer to the higher Health Care fees, the taxes, the failure on your parties part to control costs, you are fucked come Nov..... :D And I love it. The electorate has taken notice. Fall on your sword asshole, take a video and post it for us to watch....
You can dish out but you cant take it and your double standards have been exposed once again.
I made my point.
:lol2:
ACORN!?!! Holy crap... you are going to hold this group of scumbags up as an example of your Demoncratic morals? You have got to be kidding me... You own them, you got them, they are yours, enjoy. They will forever be associated with the Demoncratic party...
I can take anything you put out fuck.... :lol2:
I can take anything you put out fuck.... :lol2:
I've chewed you up and spit you out too many times to count.
Or perhaps you can explain to everyone why Haliburton should not be held to the same standards as ACORN? Your best comeback is the Dems will be screwed in Nov?
Til the next time. I'll be watching you, dude. :D
I've chewed you up and split you out too many times to count.
Or perhaps you can explain to everyone why Haliburton should not be held to the same standards as ACORN?
Til the next time. I'll be watching you, dude. :D
Whiney little bitch. Just like Pelosi..:D
Whiney little bitch. Just like Pelosi..:D
More of the same. Have your shot your load now?
So you still cant explain why you or anyone should not hold Haliburton to the same standard as ACORN.
Humm. I thought , never mind
The only bit I know about military logistics is from reading Pagonis's book.
Forget it, this is a whole new ballgame, we've never fought a war like this. Trying supply units fighting an insurgency in isolated areas, with little or no usable infrastructure, one precarious land line, trying to maintain a shaky coalition, and get every seriously wounded soldier to Germany as quickly as possible, creates a tremendous logistics nightmare. Virtually everything that moves, moves by air.
Forget it, this is a whole new ballgame, we've never fought a war like this. Trying supply units fighting an insurgency in isolated areas, with little or no usable infrastructure, one precarious land line, trying to maintain a shaky coalition, and get every seriously wounded soldier to Germany as quickly as possible, creates a tremendous logistics nightmare. Virtually everything that moves, moves by air.
And that is the bottom line of my points. Did H. Fuck Up? sure? did they over charge? Sure. Did the system allow them to do it in the way it was structured and were they prepositioned to take advantage of it? Sure. But, in the end, did they provide the service that allowed us to get the job done? Fucking eh. I am not here to make excuses for that corp, whom I believed ripped off the US Gov billions of dollars, but you know what? No one else was there to do what they did, provided the service that they did, in a timely fashion that they did.
More of the same. Have your shot your load now?
So you still cant explain why you or anyone should not hold Haliburton to the same standard as ACORN.
Haliburton supported the troops, ACORN motherfuckers supported tit suckers...
And they were both fucking the taxpayers.
Haliburton supported the troops, ACORN motherfuckers supported tit suckers...
I get it.
Supporting and serving minority communities is just not patriotic in your world.
I get it.
Supporting and serving minority communities is just not patriotic in your world.
Becareful, you might choke on that.
I never stated anything about patriotism.... those are your words.
And they were both fucking the taxpayers.
Maybe. But which one was getting huge funding from the government to do their job, and which one was getting huge funding from the government in the form of a contractural relationship and payment? Haliburton had a more than 50 year relationship with the US Gov, ACORN was a progressive get out the vote get Obama elected organization.
ACORN!?!! Holy crap... you are going to hold this group of scumbags up as an example of your Demoncratic morals?
BTW, saw parts of the unedited video released by the CA attorney general. I also read where the guy who was supposedly helping them smuggle in girls was instead getting information from them and called the cops when they left.
Little pieces that didn't make it into the final cut because telling the truth wasn't as important as telling a self-serving story.
Maybe. But which one was getting huge funding from the government to do their job, and which one was getting huge funding from the government in the form of a contractural relationship and payment? Haliburton had a more than 50 year relationship with the US Gov, ACORN was a progressive get out the vote get Obama elected organization.
Right..and Haliburton's contract irregularities and overcharges in the last seven years alone add up to far more taxpayer dollars than ACORN has received in total in 25+ years.
The sad irony here is that the US has sacrificed thousands of lives at a cost of nearly $1 trillion, including $billions to Haliburton to give Iraqis more rights under their new constitution than many of our citizens have under our Constitution....a guaranteed right to work and join a union and receive a livable wage, the right to health care. the right to a place to live.......all those things that ACORN has fought for in 25+ years ...for the tit suckers, as you ignorantly characterize them.
BTW, saw parts of the unedited video released by the CA attorney general. I also read where the guy who was supposedly helping them smuggle in girls was instead getting information from them and called the cops when they left.
Little pieces that didn't make it into the final cut because telling the truth wasn't as important as telling a self-serving story.
I say hammer them, get the money back. But don't pretend that any other company could have provided the support that they provided. They made the whole thing happen and many of their people got killed, with none of the insurance that our troops got. That is a bigger issue to me. The few highlighted issues which you have brought up, do not diminish the support they provided. I say attack those failings on a specific case by case basis and let the chips fall where they may. I have no problem with that.
The sad irony here is that the US has sacrificed thousands of lives at a cost of nearly $1 trillion, including $billions to Haliburton to give Iraqis more rights under their new constitution than many of our citizens have under our Constitution....a guaranteed right to work and join a union and receive a livable wage, the right to health care. the right to a place to live.......all those things that ACORN has fought for in 25+ years ...for the tit suckers, as you ignorantly characterize them.
ACORN and the Demoncats are whores who support the current Congess of Whores.
ACORN and the Demoncats are whores who support the current Congess of Whores.
I get it again.
Spending $1 trillion, including $billions in overcharges to Haliburton to give guaranteed rights to Iraqis....good!
Spending a comparable amount to provide similar rights to US (tit suckers) citizens...whoreish!
I get it again.
Spending $1 trillion, including $billions in overcharges to Haliburton to give guaranteed rights to Iraqis....good!
Spending a comparable amount to provide similar rights to US citizens...whoreish!
You really can't be as big of a stupid idiot like that bitch Pelosi...
I said if they owe it, go get if from them.
I also said that no other company was poised to support us like they did, for whatever reason, and I think we both know what that was...
You really can't be as big of a stupid idiot like that bitch Pelosi...
I said if they owe it, go get if from them.
I also said that no other company was poised to support us like they did, for whatever reason, and I think we both know what that was...
Right. I get it that the name calling allows you to ignore the facts because of your blind hatred for one community group and one party that might care just a bit more than you about those "tit suckers" as you call them.
And you cant see the comparisons and the larger irony?
Who's the idiot here?
I get it again.
But yet your Demoncratic party is willing to spend Trillions of dollars on a failed program of Obamacare that will not fix the healthcare issues of our country, will raise premiums on millions of individuals, will mandate for the first time a federal requirement for people to purchase private commodities from private companies, sending them trillions in profit, bankrupt our grandchildren’s future, without ever fixing the problems in our healthcare system, and you have no problem with that... :lol2:
But yet your Demoncratic party is willing to spend Trillions of dollars on a failed program of Obamacare that will not fix the healthcare issues of our country, will raise premiums on millions of individuals, will mandate for the first time a federal requirement for people to purchase private commodities from private companies, sending them trillions in profit, bankrupt our grandchildren’s future, without ever fixing the problems in our healthcare system, and you have no problem with that... :lol2:
I forgot that you can predict the future better than anyone here...but you're not biased or partisan.
So I guess you are Ok with American forces fighting. and expending $1 trillion in tax payer money to date (not a prediction..a fact) to give foreigners more rights than some of our own citizens enjoy.
Right. I get it that the name calling allows you to ignore the facts because of your blind hatred for one community group and one party that might care just a bit more than you about those "tit suckers" as you call them.
And you cant see the comparisons and the larger irony?
Who's the idiot here?
That one little tit sucker group is so very minor..... It is not blind hatred, it is obvious fact. That corrupt organization has failed. Otherwise they would be thriving. Are they? No, the slimes have changed their name and split up into other names to avoid association with the failed organization. If you would do a little research into the leadership you would find how badly they failed. NPR did a great expose on them....
But then again, it would require you to abandon your Demoncratic Brainwashing to appreciate it...
I forgot that you can predict the future better than anyone here...but you're not biased or partisan.
So I guess you are Ok with American forces fighting. and expending $1 trillion in tax payer money to date (not a prediction..a fact) to give foreigners more rights than some of our own citizens enjoy.
The only thing I give foreigners the right to do is to die for their country before our troops die for their country....
The only thing I give foreigners the right to do is to die for their country before our troops die for their country....
You can characterize it any way you want, but the fact remains that we have lost thousand of American lives (including a very very small minority due to Haliburton negligence) and spent more unbudgeted money to the tune of at least $1 trillion to give Iraqis more rights than many of our own citizens have.
You can characterize it any way you want, but the fact remains that we have lost thousand of American lives (including a very very small minority due to Haliburton negligence) and spent more unbudgeted money to the tune of at least $1 trillion to give Iraqis more rights than many of our own citizens have.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
You want to talk about unbudgeted mandates in the face of the new Obamacare Bill?!?!??!?
You know, I could give a shit about the Iraqi's. I hope it works out for them. I still think that partition is the answer.
But that is water under the bridge. You are like the idiot wife who says, "hey, just charge it to the credit card". Fail....
Stop blaming Bush for your parties failures.
You got the whole thing.
It is all of yours. Deal with it. The electorate has taken notice.
Where are the millions of "shovel ready jobs" your party promised????
Its been fun exposing your double standards once again.
I'll be here and watching you....and you can stick to what you do best...the same old name calling and unique biased ability to see into the future. ;)
Its been fun exposing your double standards once again.
I'll be here and watching you....and you can stick to your same old name calling and unique ability to see into the future. ;)
And I will be here to expose you as a mouth piece for the Demoncrats and Obama.... Have a great tax filled future...
So where are the jobs your party promised us?
And I will be here to expose you as a mouth piece for the Demoncrats and Obama.... Have a great tax filled future...
My investments are back up to where they were just over a year ago when Obama took office and looking better than they have in two years. BTW, they are mostly "green" and "socially responsible" stocks and funds. Oh, and I received a nice bonus earlier this year. More money = more taxes...thats cool.
And I hired a new assistant last week. :)
My investments are back up to where they were just over a year ago when Obama took office and looking better than they have in two years.
And I hired a new assistant last week. :)
People out of work do not have an interest in your ability to make money while the rest of them are suffering... Fail.
Again. What a total dick you are...
People out of work do not have an interest in your ability to make money while the rest of them are suffering... Fail.
Again. What a total dick you are...
My bonus was for implementing a national program to help people w/o health insurance and has been far more successful than I could have hoped....over 100,000 people have benefited to-date at no cost to taxypayers...so I dont think they will complain.
So you can take it and shove it.
My bonus was for implementing a national program to help people w/o health insurance and has been far more successful than I could have hoped....over 100,000 people have benefited to-date at no cost to taxypayers...so I dont think they will complain.
So you can take it and shove it.
Prove it bitch. You are a whiney little mouth piece of the Demoncrats. I could care less what you claim. I believe none of it.
Prove it bitch. You are a whiney little mouth piece of the Demoncrats. I could care less what you claim. I believe none of it.
There are people here who know....people I respect.
And I could care less what you think.
But keep putting your foot in your mouth and keep doing what you do best...name calling.
There are people here who know....people I respect.
And I could care less what you think.
But keep putting your foot in your mouth and keep doing what you do best...name calling.
You know the bottom line is that it is not important.
If you did all of that good on you, even if you can't prove it.
You name call with the best of them, your thoughts are unimportant. Your Demoncratic talking points have been exposed for what they are...
Your party has failed.
Good luck in Nov. Remember, eventually the pendulum willl swing in the other direction and don't be surprised when the Rebublickins try to butt fuck you and all of the supposed advances you think you have made; don't be shocked when they don't fund your pet projects and they fail because of partisan rangling; you have only yourselves to blame...
I'll watching from the sidelines...:D
Don't you two think you've both made yourselves abundantly clear to each other and to all of us who have to read your discussion (in the hopes that someone else might have added something helpful)?
Seriously, you both look pretty silly right now.
You know the bottom line is that it is not important.
If you did all of that good on you, even if you can't prove it.
You name call with the best of them, your thoughts are unimportant. Your Demoncratic talking points have been exposed for what they are...
Your party has failed.
Good luck in Nov. Remember, eventually the pendulum willl swing in the other direction and don't be surprised when the Rebublickins try to butt fuck you and all of the supposed advances you think you have made; don't be shocked when they don't fund your pet projects and they fail because of partisan rangling; you have only yourselves to blame...
I'll watching from the sidelines...:D
Just checked the file....nearly 500 residents of Savannah in my program in just two months....and growing. Mayor Johnson knows. We talked about it last month.
If you lose your job and health insurance before the reforms kick in, PM me and I'll add you to the list and give you a helping hand. I dont discriminate against wingnut assholes. :)
Seriously, you both look pretty silly right now.
And annoying.:rolleyes:
Hey, I know how it looks
And I know why most people wont bother with Merc (as many have explained in other discussions) and thats why he gets away the bullshit that he does....a typical internet board bully.
So put me (us) on ignore if you dont like it..because I will keep calling him out.
Just checked the file....nearly 500 residents of Savannah in my program in just two months....and growing. Mayor Johnson knows. We talked about it last month.
If you lose your job and health insurance before the reforms kick in, PM me and I'll add you to the list and give you a helping hand. I dont discriminate against wingnut assholes. :)
Johnson is a total racist dick.
I am not to worried about my future employment.
So where are the jobs your party promised all of the people still out of work?
You two have your own thread now. Go check it out...let me know if you're happy with the decor. :)
Johnson is a total racist dick.
More ignorant name calling.
Don't you two think you've both made yourselves abundantly clear to each other and to all of us who have to read your discussion (in the hopes that someone else might have added something helpful)?
Seriously, you both look pretty silly right now.
Guilty. But I will not let the blame fall on anyone or any party but the pary in power. They own it. Good or bad...
And so far Reflux has failed to accept his parties failures...
Oh, and I like both of you so stop being mean to each other or else.
Merc is a lovely man even if I don't agree with his politics most of the time. I don't think he's a bully. I think he's feisty. A bit like you really Redux. :)
More ignorant name calling.
So you don't think he is a racist dick?
Oh, and I like both of you so stop being mean to each other or else.
Merc is a lovely man even if I don't agree with his politics most of the time. I don't think he's a bully. I think he's feisty. A bit like you really Redux. :)
See pm
Oh, and I like both of you so stop being mean to each other or else.
Merc is a lovely man even if I don't agree with his politics most of the time. I don't think he's a bully. I think he's feisty. A bit like you really Redux. :)
Frankly...I was appalled that no one here called him out on his repeated characterizations of a member of Congress as a Nazi.
Or now calling his mayor a racist with no basis in facts.
I know its only a message board...but ignorance like that should not be tolerated...and it has been here.
Frankly...I was appalled that no one here called him out on his repeated characterizations of a member of Congress as a Nazi.
I know its only a message board...but ignorance should not be tolerated...and it has been here.
Fuck that, a lot of people in the US think like me, that is why they will lose votes in Nov. Don't act like this is a big surprise to the Nazi Demoncratic Party...
More of the same.
A party you have ever right to dislike.
But beyond that, with the Nazi references. it demonstrates your own ignorance.
More of the same.
A party you have ever right to dislike.
But beyond that, with the Nazi references. it demonstrates your own ignorance.
I fully support your party's right to try to redefine the Constitution. I just don't think the people are going to put with it.
Frankly...I was appalled that no one here called him out on his repeated characterizations of a member of Congress as a Nazi.
Or now calling his mayor a racist with no basis in facts.
I know its only a message board...but ignorance like that should not be tolerated...and it has been here.
Plenty of people have called Merc out for his beliefs before, it's just that many people have come to realize that there are some things he just wont change his mind about. The same could be said for many people who post on internet forums.
I don't believe he's the evil person you might think he is Red. Really...he's not.
Plenty of people have called Merc out for his beliefs before, it's just that many people have come to realize that there are some things he just wont change his mind about. The same could be said for many people who post on internet forums.
I don't believe he's the evil person you might think he is Red. Really...he's not.
If you think its ok to call people Nazis and racists..or its just "merc being merc" that is you choice.
I dont.
Well Hitler was a Nazi and a racist, so it'd be ok to call him that.
History might demonstrate that Merc is correct...or it might not. I don't know enough about the people you're talking about to know either way, but he has a right to express his opinion, as do you.
Well Hitler was a Nazi and a racist, so it'd be ok to call him that.
History might demonstrate that Merc is correct...or it might not. I don't know enough about the people you're talking about to know either way, but he has a right to express his opinion, as do you.
Bullshit.
Nothing that Pelosi and/or the Democrats have done is in any way comparable to the worst crimes against humanity in the last century.
It is ignorance and intolerance...pure and simple.
Well I happen to agree with you Red, but others may not.
FWIW, I don't think Merc thinks they're that evil either, but it is a title attributed to people with certain views and who have demonstrated certain behaviours. There must be a reason he feels the way he does.
.... it is a title attributed to people with certain views and who have demonstrated certain behaviours. There must be a reason he feels the way he does.
Sorry, you cant rationalize such ignorant comments or characterizations.
It is a title that should not be accepted by any rational intelligent person.
Much of the divisiveness in this country is due, to some degree, to such hateful rhetoric.
To ignore it is to condone it.
Sorry, you cant rationalize such ignorant comments or characterizations.
It is a title that should not be accepted by any rational intelligent person.
Much of the divisiveness in this country is due, to some degree, to such hateful rhetoric.
To ignore it is to condone it.
If the shoe fits, you will have to wear it.
Many people think like me. This Congress is out of control and needs to be stopped at all costs in the next election via peaceful means. And they will be stopped.
The circle goes round...
I hope you, or anyone anywhere in the world. never experience the atrocities of Nazism again....It certainly wont happen in the US. regardless of what you espouse.
And I hope, when you open your mind a bit, you will see your comments for the ignorance they represent.
I hope you, or anyone anywhere in the world. never experience the atrocities of Nazism again....It certainly wont happen in the US. regardless of what you espouse.
And I hope, when you open your mind a bit, you will see your comments for the ignorance they represent.
This Congress is well on it's way to a Nazi state.
This Congress is well on it's way to a Nazi state.
What is frightening to me is that you might actually believe that.
And if you do...it that kind of thinking that poses the greatest danger to this country.
What is frightening to me is that you might actually believe that.
And if you do...it that kind of thinking that poses the greatest danger to this country.
This country is only in danger because of the people who currently are in the majority of Congress combined with a Demoncrat in the presidents office.
I would fully support a Congress of one party and a president of another party, but 8 years of Bush have shown us that a party of one in the White House and Congress is a bad combination and that needs to be rectified at all costs, through legal means..... That bitch Pelosi needs to go and Reid will be voted out anyway.
This Congress is well on it's way to a Nazi state.
That's a slippery slope argument.
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This has nothing to do with the previous seven pages, but, is somewhat relevant to the topic at hand. It looks like the rulers in Kyrgyzstan, a country that we have military bases in to help supply our troops in Afghanistan, just got overthrown. While analysis don't expect the base or supply route to be affected initially because of this, the opposition leaders, who are now in power, are much more pro-Russia than pro-US. Russia has been trying to pressure the old Kyrgyzstan rulers to not allow the US to have military bases in Kyrgyzstan for a while now and have always failed because of the economic benefits. This has the possibility of changing if the opposition stay true to their more pro-Russia views and give in to Russia's influence.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/09/world/asia/09bishkek.html?pagewanted=1&ref=worldI jumped from page three to here. Did they really keep at it all that time? No wonder Ali felt the need to start a new thread for them
I jumped from page three to here. Did they really keep at it all that time? No wonder Ali felt the need to start a new thread for them
Yes, bordering on intolerably irritating, in this thread.:eyebrow:
Yes, bordering on intolerably irritating, in this thread.:eyebrow:
Hey...sorry if you and Monster and others didnt like it. Too bad!
But expect more...when I see the wingnut double standard and ignorant Nazi references/hate speech in a post, I will call it out for what it is.
Or you can just ban me for challenging one of your family members and keep telling yourself its just "merc being merc".
That's, one.
Do I get three strikes? :eek:
omg...how many strikes has the the ass who followed me around trolling me get?
Not one. He's a nice guy, you know.
omg...how many strikes has the the ass who followed me around trolling me get?
Not one. He's a nice guy, you know.
You dont get strikes for characterizing others as Nazis, cunts or racists. ..or for blatant double standards and hypocrisy.
Strikes are only assessed for upsetting the family.
Ohhhh, I see.
Common denominator of most recent problems? Hmmmm...
That's, one.
That's out of line.
Hey...sorry if you and Monster and others didnt like it. Too bad!.
Hey, I don't care. Have at it for me, keeps merc busy. I was quite impressed you could keep it up for so long.
(as the actress said to the bishop)
That's out of line.
That blatant comma abuse?
Hey, I don't care. Have at it for me, keeps merc busy.
:)
omg...how many strikes has the the ass who followed me around trolling me get?
Not one. He's a nice guy, you know.
Thanks Shaw, and here I thought you hated me!
:)
No, YOU sir, are a classhole. ;)
Kidding, I kid.
HA! lil diversion - its good for the soul.
That's out of line.
Tell me why.
Threatening to use mod powers over a personal disagreement?
You say "that's one"; one what? One post where he said that he's going to continue responding to Merc? One post where he said you shouldn't threaten to ban him for responding to Merc? Do I get a strike for saying you shouldn't threaten to ban him?
There's a joke with the punch line "That's one".
That's what I took it for, anyway.
Threatening to use mod powers over a personal disagreement?
You say "that's one"; one what? One post where he said that he's going to continue responding to Merc? One post where he said you shouldn't threaten to ban him for responding to Merc? Do I get a strike for saying you shouldn't threaten to ban him?
All I see is you making assumtions. I didn't say anything about banning.
For some reason you can't get it through your fucking head, that my posts have nothing to do with the work I do as a moderator. I might add, you don't even see what I do as a moderator, except occasional results of cleaning things up.
I hope that's true. If so, you should probably keep in mind that throwing out a phrase that is one of the banning criteria, and following up with "That's, one" has an entirely different complexion when coming from a moderator.
If I misunderstood, I apologize.
In the past what, 3 or 4 years, when have I ever done that?
Assuming that what you meant by "that" is "throwing out a phrase that is one of the banning criteria, and following up with 'That's, one' ", you did it in this thread.
Yes, bordering on intolerably irritating, in this thread.:eyebrow:
That's, one.
nonsense, you're putting 1 and 1 together and getting 5.
After all these years you should know, if there's anything I'm not, it's subtle. :haha:
I'm confused. If I misinterpreted you, that's one thing.
But are you seriously trying to claim that a moderator (who one can assume knows the criteria for banning) quoting one of those criteria in reference to a poster is too subtle to be interpreted as a reference to banning? If that's subtle, what is the obvious interpretation?
I would not support Redux banning. What has happened is between him and I, just as it has happened between many others.
I accept my responsibility in the exchange but will not waver from my convictions of my statements...
Carry on.
Like I say every year in the Moderator Nomination Thread,
Moderator is a harder job than it appears, if only because people think of you differently if you are a moderator.
I would not support Redux banning. What has happened is between him and I, just as it has happened between many others.
I accept my responsibility in the exchange but will not waver from my convictions of my statements...
Carry on.
It's not the content, it's the fucking never ending back and forth for pages upon pages. It's like bickering siblings.
It's not the content, it's the fucking never ending back and forth for pages upon pages. It's like bickering siblings.
So what is your solution?
Allow his propaganda to stand on it's merit?
Don't worry about it because you're the only one that's reading it?
So what is your solution?
Allow his propaganda to stand on it's merit?
Cry me a river! Now you're the victim here?
How can you seriously and with a straight face talk about propaganda when you flood discussions with more partisan opinions than anyone and try to pass them off as facts?
I provide cites when requested....when I request you to provide cites, your response is "prove my post" is not a fact. And of course if you dont like my non-partisan cities (CBO, GAO, actual language from bills), you call it propaganda.
How can you seriously talk about "fucking arm chair quarterbacks" when you do the same with organizations, the Democratic party, Obama and/or members of Congress that you dont like. You are the ultimate "arm chair quarterback" here, which is your right. The point is your hypocrisy and double standards.
You whine about arm chair quartbacking of Haliburton when you have done the same fucking thing with ACORN.......thats a fact!
All you had to do was say...."you know, you're right...I do what I am criticizing others of doing" and I would have let it pass.
Who spews the hate rhetoric here....characterization people (and parties) you dont like as Nazis and racists?
You know and I know that you cant bullshit me. I'm not part of your family that, for the most part, has chosen to ignore you as a petulant child or cranky old uncle rather than stand up to you.
Bring it on, dude. I'll be on your ass with every partisan post of yours and every example of your hypocrisy and double standards.
Cry me a river! Now you're the victim here?
How can you seriously and with a straight face talk about propaganda when you flood discussions with more partisan opinions than anyone and try to pass them off as facts?
I provide cites when requested....when I request you to provide cites, your response is "prove my post" is not a fact. And of course if you dont like my non-partisan cities (CBO, GAO, actual language from bills), you call it propaganda.
How can you seriously talk about "fucking arm chair quarterbacks" when you do the same with organizations, the Democratic party, Obama and/or members of Congress that you dont like. You are the ultimate "arm chair quarterback" here, which is your right. The point is your hypocrisy and double standards.
You whine about arm chair quartbacking of Haliburton when you have done the same fucking thing with ACORN.......thats a fact!
All you had to do was say...."you know, you're right...I do what I am criticizing others of doing" and I would have let it pass.
Who spews the hate rhetoric here....characterization people (and parties) you dont like as Nazis and racists?
You know and I know that you cant bullshit me. I'm not part of your family that, for the most part, has chosen to ignore you as a petulant child rather than stand up to you.
Bring it on, dude. I'll be on your ass with every post.
Whatever... I will be here to have the "spine" to stand up to the propaganda of the current Administration and those scumbags in Congress who are sending this country to ruin. You guys have been bullshitting the electorate for more than 2 years now.
Whatever... I will be here to have the "spine" to stand up to the propaganda of the current Administration and those scumbags in Congress who are sending this country to ruin. You guys have been bullshitting the electorate for more than 2 years now.
Whatever? Is that you way of not responding again to the direct points I made?
You do that. :)
And shame on the silent majority here who wont stand up to the ignorance of characterizing people as Nazis and racists.
I'll be here..looking for your next example of double standards and hypocrisy even if others find it irritating.
You do that. :)
And shame on the silent majority here who wont stand up to the ignorance of characterizing people as Nazis and racists.
And shame on those who do not speak about the current Administration and Party in power who continues to let them down on so many levels.
And shame on those who do not speak about the current Administration and Party in power who continues to let them down on so many levels.
You should absolutely speak out again the Administration and the Democratic party if you disagree with them.
But present facts (objective cites), not partisan opinions with an agenda, or even worse, hate speech.
Now please tell me how your arm chair quarterbacking of ACORN is any different the the "fucking arm chair" quarterbacks of Haliburton that you decry? Two sides of the same coin, dude....but you just cant admit it.
You should absolutely speak out again the Administration and the Democratic party if you disagree with them.
But present facts (objective cites), not partisan opinions with an agenda, or even worse, hate speech.
Now please tell me how your arm chair quarterbacking of ACORN is any different the the "fucking arm chair" quarterbacks of Haliburton that you decry? Two sides of the same coin, dude....but you just cant admit it.
:lol:
Explain to me in detail how "I decry ACORN is any different the the "fucking arm chair" quarterbacks of Haliburton".
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Explain to me in detail how "I decry ACORN is any different the the "fucking arm chair" quarterbacks of Haliburton".
I didnt expect you to address it.....you cant deny your double standard, so you spin and you twist and you turn and eventually you resort to childish characterizations (tit suckers) or hate speech.
I'm gone for now....but I'll be watching.
I didnt expect you to address it.....you cant deny your double standard, so you spin and you twist and you turn and eventually you resort to childish characterizations (tit suckers) or hate speech.
I'm gone for now....but I'll be watching.
Please explain what my assessments about Haliburton are....
that is all I am asking.
You have made an ASS-sumption about some statement you think I made about Haliburton.
Comparing ACORN and Haliburton are like comparing the Girl Scouts to Planned Parenthood. There is no comparison.
Its simple....replace Haliburton with ACORN here where you decry the armchair quarterbacks:
My experience has been that there was but one company that was pre-positioned to provide service to deployed troops, and I was the receipent of those services, Haliburton. Love them or hate them, they were the only company who over the 50 years learned to pre-position themselves to provide the services that we needed. Were they always good? no. Where they always there? yes. The whole smoke and mirrors bullshit arguement that there were "no bid" contracts was a weak arguement put forward by those who failed to get in the game early. Were the buildings crapy? sure, but the beat laying in the sand. Did all the generators work all the time? nope, but there were people there to fix them. Did the food suck? Nope, because we ate pretty damm well.
Screw the armchair quarterbacks.
and my response:
Ask folks in the inner city or those, particularly minorities. who feel disenfranchised and they will say the same thing about ACORN.
For forty years they pre-positioned themselves to be there for the underserved community. The whole smoke and mirrors bullshit argument that they had an institutional plan to commit voter fraud was a weak argument by those who did not want to see increased voter participation in the minority communities.l
Were they always good? no Did the minority community get assistance with housing, credit and finance issues, voter registration. You bet they did.
And they never sexually molested (or allegedly gang raped) a co-worker or knowingly endangered the lives of others and committed negligent homicide from faulty wiring in showers.
Screw you, hypocrite.
Two sides of the same coin, dude.
In the later, you are the armchair quarterback.
So what is your point? You think you are more right? You think that some group like ACORN that broke the law is above the laws broken by contractors hired by Haliburton? or that in some way Haliburton condoned the law breaking actions of their subcontractors or that the people actually caught on video who represented ACORN were not responsible for their actions?
You have confused the two organizations and how they are structured. Haliburton subcontracts much of their services, ACORN did not. Not two sides of the same coin.
Your arm chair quarterbacking have no basis in fact unless of course you are going to tell us you worked for ACORN.
I did receive the excellent services of Haliburton on a regular basis while on deployment.
So what is your point? You think you are more right? You think that some group like ACORN that broke the law is above the laws broken by contractors hired by Haliburton? or that in some way Haliburton condoned the law breaking actions of their subcontractors or that the people actually caught on video who represented ACORN were not responsible for their actions?
You have confused the two organizations and how they are structured. Haliburton subcontracts much of their services, ACORN did not. Not two sides of the same coin.
Your arm chair quarterbacking have no basis in fact unless of course you are going to tell us you worked for ACORN.
I did receive the excellent services of Haliburton on a regular basis while on deployment.
My point is simple...apply the same standards to both.
Both received govt funding...one, far more signficantly. Both have engaged in questionable practices...one far more serious (gang rape) and nearly $1 billion in overcharges in the last seven years.
You cant or wont do that.
So Haliburton subcontracts and ACORN has distinct sub-orgs that separate voter advocacy and housing assistance.
One supports the military and one supports disadvantaged minorities (tit suckers)
Why should they not be held to the same standard?
I have never said they should be judged by different standards as you have.
My point is simple...apply the same standards to both.
Both received govt funding...one, far more signficantly. Both have engaged in questionable practices...one far more serious (gang rape) and nearly $1 billion in overcharges in the last seven years.
You cant or wont do that.
So Haliburton subcontracts and ACORN has distinct sub-orgs that separate voter advocacy and housing assistance.
One supports the military and one supports disadvantaged minorities (tit suckers)
Why should they not be held to the same standard?
I have never said they should be judged by different standards as you have.
1. Where did I state they should be "judged by different standards"?
2. Where did I state that "disadvantaged minorities" were "tit suckers"?
Really. You are really reaching here and reading into my statements. Obviously reading what you want to believe about me....
Further, how many "gang rapes" happened that taint the whole organization and do you have proof that the organization was complicit? Or was this the responsibility of one person or group of people who should be held accountable for their actions?
1. Where did I state they should be "judged by different standards"?
Read back..your posts speak for themselves.
2. Where did I state that "disadvantaged minorities" were "tit suckers"?
Read back...your posts speak for themselves.
... Or was this the responsibility of one person or group of people who should be held accountable for their actions?
Same could be said about the ACORN employees.
Yet, you do not apply the same standards. Read your posts in the ACORN thread and see if you applied the same standard that you propose for Haliburton employees.
Ok, you can't support your statements. Thanks.
Anyone can do some basic research and see the differences between "Haliburton" (or were you talking about KBR) and ACORN. The differences were huge, I mean since ACORN is now gone and Haliburton is still around.
Here is a good little factoid:
ACORN parent group founded in 1970
Haliburton parent group founded in 1910
The differences are just so huge.
I'm confused. If I misinterpreted you, that's one thing.
But are you seriously trying to claim that a moderator (who one can assume knows the criteria for banning) quoting one of those criteria in reference to a poster is too subtle to be interpreted as a reference to banning? If that's subtle, what is the obvious interpretation?
You are the only one that said anything about banning. I was reminding them of the fucking rules.
A lot of people, myself included, are sick and tired of the Merc/Redux pissing match being repeated, verbatim, in threads they don't belong. They are more than welcome to take it back where it started, and piss away, till the cows come home, but in this thread they're becoming intolerably irritating.
Just ban us both and be done with it... be sure and send me a message before you do it.
Don't arguments that started over the military fast food thing belong in the military fast food thread? :confused:
What's the big deal? Let 'em have at it. Don't read it if you don't like it. My favorite unwritten rule, knocked into my skull some time ago.
"Well, when I hit new threads it's always there..." Yeah, well I get sick of word association too. ;)
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I would not support Redux banning. What has happened is between him and I,
[grammar]Him and
ME[/Nazi]:p:
You are the only one that said anything about banning. ...
FWIW, I interpretted your comment the same way.
Mebbe he meant what happened is between the eyes.
[spelling]interpreted[/Nazi]
:)
mebbeee 'cause he's a potato head.
Mebbe he meant what happened is between the eyes.
[spelling]interpreted[/Nazi]
:)
That's the rule. If you point out someone's misssssstake, your post is going to include a mistake of your own. I'm just following the rules *trying to dance out of this one*
I luvz ya Spexx. Trying for some levity, before I get someone all riled up about church or war or religion or sanctioned pedophilia or queue lines or greed or a million other evils.
There's a joke with the punch line "That's one".
That's what I took it for, anyway.
Me too
Me too
I don't know that joke. Please tell me. I need a laugh.
OK, two Dwellars walked into a bar. The first guy looked at the other one and said "Are you the man who shot my paw?" and the other one put his paw on the counter and said "that's one" and the other one replied "why the long face?"
You're welcome. :)
Though I would like to hear the real joke!
C-man? I don't think Pete's around...please tell me the joke before I die of curiosity!
nope - not after you pissed all over me in the other thread.
OH jesus christ classicman.
Fuck it I give up.
Though I would like to hear the real joke!
This happened back in the pioneer days. A farmer has advertised for a wife, a woman writes back and eventually appears at the train station at the closest town. The farmer goes to pick her up at the station in his horse drawn wagon.
As the horse is crossing a small stream, it stumbles and jostles the wagon. Once across the stream, the man gets down, walks over to the horse, and stares into its eyes. Finally, he states, "That's one." The man gets back in and they continue their ride.
A bit further down the path, the horse stumbles when stepping over a fallen tree. The man gets out, stares the horse in the eyes, and boldly states, "That's two!" He gets back in and they move on.
As the afternoon sun began to set, the horse once again loses its footing on a mossy slope. The man gets down, goes to the front of the horse he stares it in the eyes and firmly says, "That's three," removes a pistol from his vest, and shots the horse dead.
The woman, quite upset at seeing the beautiful horse killed, says, "That's terrible, why would you do such a thing!"
The man stares at his wife and firmly says, "That's one!"
It's not really a funny joke, but "That's one" has stuck in my head.
It's not really a funny joke, but "That's one" has stuck in my head.
That supports the "three strikes and you're banned" interpretation.:2cents: