Good Grief, Its Octomom!
NEW YORK – Octuplets mother Nadya Suleman says she doesn't plan on having more children unless she gets married someday "far" in the future. She says if that ever happens, she would only have one child.
Widely known as "Octomom," Suleman has six older children. She appeared Wednesday on ABC's daytime talk show "The View," where she has been a frequent topic of debate.
Suleman's octuplets celebrated their first birthday in January.
All of her children were conceived by in vitro fertilization, and she has been criticized for having a huge family as a single mother on public assistance.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100224/ap_on_en_ot/us_tv_octomom_view
How the hell did this woman afford the expense of in vitro fertilization if she's on public assistance? The last time I checked, public assistance was not an especially generous program.
There ought to be a line drawn somewhere. The woman already had six children and she went for eight more on the public tab? Usually, I am sympathetic to single Mom's who have to go on assistance. But this woman is crazy. Why should the public pay for this nutcase to bring more children into the world? :eyebrow:
How the hell did this woman [COLOR="Red"]<REPEATEDLY>[/COLOR] afford the expense of in vitro fertilization if she's on public assistance?
fixed that for you.
Afford it? Why did she want it? Was being a single parent of six too easy?
IMHO she must have had some mental issue - I need babies, lots of babies! - and IMHO the docs were negligent in indulging that instead of dealing with it as a condition. Like the doctors who gave that woman 38KKK breasts with implant after implant. They're huge, lady, if you think they're too small, its a problem in your head.
Afford it? Why did she want it? Was being a single parent of six too easy?
IMHO she must have had some mental issue
granted - but the larger issue is still who paid for it.
Maaan, you're bein like, such a total bread-head, dude.
That's because she's symptomatic.
Symptomatic of a broken system? There's a lot more to this story than what the article is saying. How could she take care of 8 babies plus 6 other children single-handed? How did she talk doctors into giving her so many in vitro babies. How does she care for 14 children on public assistance? The story sounds like one of those urban legends. :eyebrow:
How the hell did this woman afford the expense of in vitro fertilization if she's on public assistance? The last time I checked, public assistance was not an especially generous program.
For reasons that are completely unclear, public assistance will not pay for tubal ligation, but will pay to reverse it.
I still can't get anyone to explain that one to me. I'm sure that paying for sterilizations and birth control has some sort of racist overtone. That must be it.
For reasons that are completely unclear, public assistance will not pay for tubal ligation, but will pay to reverse it.
I still can't get anyone to explain that one to me. I'm sure that paying for sterilizations and birth control has some sort of racist overtone. That must be it.
Don't some conservative Christians oppose birth control because it leads to more free lovin'? Also, I know the Catholic Church think it's bad because every sperm is sacred.
Well, I googled her and discovered that the doctor who implanted her with 8 embryos had his license revoked. I guess that's something.
There are religious overtones to any kind of birth control, but in the case I'm just looking at simple economics. Reveral of tubal ligation is extremely expensive, and often unsuccessful, because the eggs can't reliably make it past the scar tissue.
It costs $1-3K to get 'em tied, $6K for a bargain basement drive-thru reversal, $15K for high end untying. Mostly runs around $10K.
And you can have more little welfare recipients.
My tax dollars at work.
I also can't get anyone to explain why any recipient who tests positive for drugs or alcohol continues to receive benefits.
Well, I googled her and discovered that the doctor who implanted her with 8 embryos had his license revoked.
For doing the procedure? Or for something else?
Michael Kamrava, an obstetrician/gynecologist in Beverly Hills, is accused of gross negligence and repeated negligent acts in the treatment of a patient named in the complaint only by her initials, N.S.
Octuplet mom Nadya Suleman has identified Kamrava as her doctor in interviews. Suleman has six children in addition to the octuplets, all conceived through in-vitro fertilization.
In filing the complaint in December, the medical board's executive director, Barbara Johnston, says Kamrava, while his patient was undergoing in-vitro, transferred a number of embryos that was "far in excess of [American Society for Reproductive Medicine] recommendations and beyond the reasonable judgment of any treating physician."
Additionally, the complaint says Kamrava should have referred his patient to a mental health physician after she repeatedly returned to him for additional in-vitro treatments shortly after each of her pregnancies.
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This says he was kicked out of an organization. Doesn't say his license was revoked though.
Dr. Michael Kamrava was kicked out of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine last month, group spokesman Sean Tipton said Monday.
Tipton said Kamrava has repeatedly violated the group's standards. He declined to provide details but said Kamrava was not expelled because of his work with any single patient.
I cannot find where his license was revoked . . .yet.
Kamrava is under investigation by the California medical board. Sorry I jumped the gun a bit by stating that his license had been revoked.
When she gave birth, there was a ton of articles about her, her family, and the doctor. They explained the whole chronology, and characters involved. Yes, it reads like urban legend... fucking unbelievable.:mad:
I do remember there was one (tiny) mitigating detail in the doctor's favor: this woman had had 8 embryos implanted every time she'd had the in vitro procedure done, and each time, only one (or in one case, two) survived to grow into fetuses. These were the last of her embryos, she was figuring she'd get her one more baby and be done. No one was expecting that all 8 would magically grow this time around.
Doesn't change the fact that she shouldn't have had a seventh pregnancy at all, though.
Small point but, I think they were doing 6 at a time, and at the last one they had 8 left, so they did them all. But the fact remains, at that point she already had 6 kids and no job, so it was irresponsible to do it at all.
Glad to see I am not the only one who thought the doctor was irresponsible.
If this keeps up there is a risk I may develop faith in the system.
Unfortunately Zen, we are not the system. We just pay for the system.
‘She thought people would embrace her and that companies would be rushing to give her free stuff but that just hasn’t happened. She is very lonely and miserable.’
Where does the mindset for a plan like that come from? I feel terribly for the children.
It hit the elevator news on Friday that octomom Nadya Suleman is broke and likely headed for the welfare rolls.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/body-soul/octomom-nadya-suleman-faces-losing-home-and-going-bankrupt/story-e6frfou0-1225926364555
She was broke before she had a litter. Why is this surprising?
I knew she (and her brood) would be living off my money.
Yeh isn't it great - and all those who felt/feel sorry for her - still pisses me off.
And what she has created is a situation where there are now, what 9 more living off the system? Some of whom are challenged. The doc who did this artificial insemination should be stripped of ever asset he has and the money put into a fund for the kids.
Why is this surprising?
Exactly.
I was under the impression that she had won a few Worker's Comp and Injury claims in her pre-Octo past. Instead of managing/investing the money she was awarded for her bogus claims she went on a plastic surgery spree.
Well, that's a kind of investment.
Maybe she and the doc can share a cell.
Maybe she and the doc can share a cell.
They don't have to share a cell since the doc gave her more than eight of them.
Would it be appropriate for authorities to step in and take the children and place them with families who can support them?
I would think so, at some point. I think they first give the parent/s a shot or 100. Then the blood family... Then the authorities step in.
You'd have to start with the people already on welfare with that, not the one teetering on the brink.
Foster parents get paid a little too, so it's not like placing them with foster parents is going to eliminate the taxpayer burden. The decision to place them with foster parents is about them being neglected or in danger where they are now, not about finances.
What about adoption, though? Would-be parents who have everything to offer a child except genes?
And why would you have to start with people already on welfare? When you're slaying monsters, you don't hang around looking for the oldest or most monstrous one, you have to start with the nearest. So many things don't ever get started because people waste time looking for a good/fair starting point. Life isn't fair.
The kids would get over it -we are all destined to lose our parents at some point.
This site has a breakdown, in minute detail, of how our tax dollars are spent. It is more informative than the pie charts you see that lump all sorts of things into a giant category.
http://www.investorguide.com/taxtrackr/
Here is a chart:
Kill her, "Three Generations of idiots is enough"- US Supreme Court
Are we killing her with foot's big red X?
Sounds like a plan. I will go get some trash bags.
Maybe the authorirties could classify it as War on Stupidity and use some of that 43c to sort out that family?
I had some technical difficulty for a few minutes.
I posted this not in defense of octomom or her doc, both would make excellent fodder or fertilizer, I'm sure, but in aid of looking at claims of "I don't want my tax dollars supporting her"
I wonder if people think that they personally are supporting ocotomom rather than, let's say, .000003 cents of their tax bill is going to ocotmom, while maybe .40 cents of their tax dollar is going to the blanket category "military."
It's more of whitey's tricknology.
sorry foot3, but that only adds up to $1.00 - they spend more than that ;)
This site has a breakdown, in minute detail, of how our tax dollars are spent. It is more informative than the pie charts you see that lump all sorts of things into a giant category.
http://www.investorguide.com/taxtrackr/
Here is a chart:
As the chart says it is from the 2007 period of spending. If they redid the chart for 2010 it would show that the deficit has tripled since Obama came to office and the amount of money spent in all the years of the wars from 2001 to present did not add up to the deficit since Obama took over.
But the point is not lost. Big government is not the answer.
I wonder if people think that they personally are supporting ocotomom rather than, let's say, .000003 cents of their tax bill is going to ocotmom, while maybe .40 cents of their tax dollar is going to the blanket category "military."
Where my tax dollars are going has to bearing on that stupid bitch, I don't want to give her anything, nada, zip, zero. If they want to use my money to take the children and care for them, fine. But she can starve to death for all I care.
Well, in my opinion, the doctor made quite some mistakes.
With two healthy people, you can't forbid them to have children whether they have the means to support them or not.
In France, when you want to adopt a child, there are investigations to verify that you can really support the child. They are extensive and a real pain in the ass for the future parents.
I would assume that with assisted procreation, it should be the same.
With two healthy people, you can't forbid them to have children whether they have the means to support them or not.
You could make birth control a requirement of public assistance.
You could make birth control a requirement of public assistance.
Would look quite bad in the land of the free or in whatever democracy.
China is trying to do it, and the price they will be paying in a few years is enormous. At the moment, the ratio between male and female birth is such that they are lacking something around 40 000 000 females.
Where my tax dollars are going has to bearing on that stupid bitch, I don't want to give her anything, nada, zip, zero. If they want to use my money to take the children and care for them, fine. But she can starve to death for all I care.
What would be awesome is if we could pay our annual taxes and earmark where we are willing to spend the $. That way anyone who didn't want to pay for politician's lifetime pensions for serving a single term could leave that box unchecked. Don't want to fund artists who fling poo? Leave it unchecked. Ocotmoms? No thanks, etc.
It would be very interesting where people decide to spend their money.
What would be awesome is if we could pay our annual taxes and earmark where we are willing to spend the $. That way anyone who didn't want to pay for politician's lifetime pensions for serving a single term could leave that box unchecked. Don't want to fund artists who fling poo? Leave it unchecked. Ocotmoms? No thanks, etc.
It would be very interesting where people decide to spend their money.
Sign me up.
I suspect after the first go-around the IRS would have to hold a bake sale to buy themselves office supplies...
Everybody would fund their own pet projects, and the infrastructure would fall apart. And then suddenly everyone would be like, "hey, how come the bridges are falling down?"
You could make birth control a requirement of public assistance.
Clean pee should be required before birth control. Both would be great.
Maybe she and the doc can share a cell.
Did she do something illegal?
Kill her, "Three Generations of idiots is enough"- US Supreme Court
Let's kill the kids, too. :rolleyes:
As the chart says it is from the 2007 period of spending. If they redid the chart for 2010 it would show that the deficit has tripled since Obama came to office and the amount of money spent in all the years of the wars from 2001 to present did not add up to the deficit since Obama took over.
Bullshit
Obama's budget includes war spending, so for PR purposes it looks worse, but it's more honest.
Everybody would fund their own pet projects, and the infrastructure would fall apart. And then suddenly everyone would be like, "hey, how come the bridges are falling down?"
Sounds like a city not very far from me.....
Sounds like a city not far from everybody.
Clean pee should be required before birth control. Both would be great.
^ Pete likes this ^
Sewer and gas lines are going the route of bridges now too.
No junkies.
Man, I am hopelessly L7
We call it "The whiz quiz"
In France, when you want to adopt a child, there are investigations to verify that you can really support the child. They are extensive and a real pain in the ass for the future parents.
I would assume that with assisted procreation, it should be the same.
Whether it should be or not, I bet it's not. I doubt there's any governmental checks into the parental suitability of a fertility patient. A doctor might refuse (and this one should have), but I doubt they have an obligation to, except in remarkably obvious situations (like this one).
I suspect after the first go-around the IRS would have to hold a bake sale to buy themselves office supplies...
Ironically, they would probably need triple the budget under this scheme, to keep track of all of the earmarks.
What would be awesome is if we could pay our annual taxes and earmark where we are willing to spend the $.
Isn't that the mentality that created the current situation in California?
The "everybody wants but nobody wants to pay" plan.
Isn't that the mentality that created the current situation in [COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]the republican party[/COLOR]?
The "everybody wants but nobody wants to pay" plan.
Fixed that for ya.
Well, there would have to be a memo explaining to people that they have to put a check mark next to what they want, e.g. you want bridges? put a check mark next to bridges.
You want fries with that? put a check mark next to fries with that.
That way when someone gets robbed they may say to themselves "Next time, I'm putting a check mark next to police rather than early childhood education and urban renewal."
Or not.
Isn't that the mentality that created the current situation in California?
The "everybody wants but nobody wants to pay" plan.
Isn't that the mentality that created the current situation in the republican party?
The "everybody wants but nobody wants to pay" plan.
Fixed that for ya.
Not hardly - The R's want neither - remember they're "the party of no" and all that.
Not hardly - The R's want neither - remember they're "the party of no" and all that.
That's not true. They want a strong military. They want better border control. They want all the illegal immigrants to be rounded up and deported (or made into soilent green, I'm not sure really). They want farm subsidies. They want to democratize or Americanize the world. They want the US to be debt free. On and on. All these things cost money. What they want, really, is to control how we, as a country, spend our money. It's ok to spend money on the republican agenda, just screw everybody else - they're on their own.
You could make birth control a requirement of public assistance.
I would support that.
... and drug testing. I'm in as well.
I would support that, and it might have a chance of passing before birth control, which IMHO would never get passed.
It would be tought to enforce the birth control thing, considering that some people's religious beliefs forbid them to use them.
What happens to a drug addict who needs welfare? Let them die?
A drug addict should be barred from adoption or assisted procreation.
yes, drug addicts should definitely be barred from gays -there's barely enough to go round as it is....
I'm firmly against alcoholic gay diabetic obese addicts with OCD coming within 100 feet of children.
Now, who is going to monitor this for us? Awesome, thanks!
I'm firmly against alcoholic gay diabetic obese addicts with OCD coming within 100 feet of children.
Now, who is going to monitor this for us? Awesome, thanks!
so you're saying all alcoholic gay diabetic obese addicts with OCD are also pedaphilic podophiles?
so you're saying all alcoholic gay diabetic obese addicts with OCD are also pedaphilic podophiles?
Probably. Perchance they are, we must protect the progeny, thereby perfecting posterity.
yes, drug addicts should definitely be barred from gays -there's barely enough to go round as it is....
As long as the gays aren't addicted to bars. Then the bars would get too crowded.
What if it's a Mars Bar?
Mars Bars are ok - but mini-bars are not.
Too expensive.
I just started to read that book, Brianna.
'Octomom' sells photos with kids at yard sale
Shoppers in need of eight little devil Halloween costumes were in luck this weekend, as Nadya "Octomom" Suleman held a yard sale at her La Habra, Calif., home.
According to the Orange County Register, about 150 people descended upon her residence by 10:30 a.m. Saturday. The goodies up for grabs included a nursing bra autographed by Suleman and the couch she was perched upon when she learned she was pregnant with octuplets.
A photo with Suleman could be had for $10, and for $100, her eight little ones would join in. The paper reports that one woman paid $25 for two baby outfits and a photo while another forked over $85 for a refrigerator that once stored baby formula. A Suleman-signed Kobe Bryant jersey fetched a whopping $125.
"It's just a matter of survival: Food, shelter and clothing," 35-year-old Suleman told the Orange
From CNNI did some research and there's no inquiries regarding the welfare of child after procreation assisted birth.
It's just "I WANT A CHILD".
So if it is just for breaking a new world record, when will the next batch go into the oven?
Not her oven unless she buys some eggs, which is unlikely since she can't afford milk, butter and flour.
Not her oven unless she buys some eggs, which is unlikely since she can't afford milk, butter and flour.
I bet she could find a reality TV show to pay for
that train wreck
I'm not so sure of that, the last one they tried to put her in never even got to pilot, because even the lowlifes out there hold her in general contempt. :confused:
Not her oven unless she buys some eggs, which is unlikely since she can't afford milk, butter and flour.
All in, that sounds like a good biscuit recipe. :yum:
On the subject of reproductive medical assitance: A
USA Today blog asks the lovely question of whether children conceived using IVF are fully human.
Kamrava is under investigation by the California medical board. Sorry I jumped the gun a bit by stating that his license had been revoked.
When she gave birth, there was a ton of articles about her, her family, and the doctor. They explained the whole chronology, and characters involved. Yes, it reads like urban legend... fucking unbelievable.
Update...
California medical officials have revoked the license of the fertility doctor who helped "Octomom" Nadya Suleman become the mother of 14 children through repeated in vitro treatments.
The Medical Board of California said Wednesday its decision is necessary to protect the public and becomes effective July 1.
The state licensing authority launched an investigation into Dr. Michael Kamrava's practice not long after Suleman's octuplets were born in January 2009.
In licensing hearings last year, the Beverly Hills fertility doctor acknowledged implanting 12 embryos into Suleman prior to that pregnancy — six times the norm for a woman her age.
The board says Kamrava also treated two other patients negligently.
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