New 9/11 pictures from the air

Taken from a police helicopter. Really shows the scale of the destruction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8508817.stm

Amazing. Chilling. How quickly people forget.

They haven't forgotten. But remember that its still Bush's fault.

:lol:

TheMercenary;633774 wrote:

Amazing. Chilling. How quickly people forget.

Nonsense. Just because people disagree with the fed gov reaction doesn't mean they forget. Some folks, like me, simply draw completely different lessons from the event than you did.

Griff;633832 wrote:

Nonsense. Just because people disagree with the fed gov reaction doesn't mean they forget. Some folks, like me, simply draw completely different lessons from the event than you did.

What lessons do you think I drew from the event.

TheMercenary;633833 wrote:

What lessons do you think I drew from the event.

Ah. We're back to guessing games.

All right. I'll play your little game. What lesson(s) did you draw from the event?

Believing in creative destruction, you supported an attempted world changing military response in an uninvolved country instead of a more appropriate policing first, military second response to Al Queda. This stems from your world-view of America as an innocent babe-in-the-woods rather than a meddler overseas. I saw a squandered opportunity to turn tragedy into moral authority and a failing commitment to rule of law. Obama is trying to take the Justice Dept route now but it is late in the game.

Griff;633840 wrote:

Believing in creative destruction, you supported an attempted world changing military response in an uninvolved country instead of a more appropriate policing first, military second response to Al Queda.

False. You have no proof that I supported the military response, I mean other than I was doing a my job as a senior military officer at the time.

This stems from your world-view of America as an innocent babe-in-the-woods rather than a meddler overseas.

False, I have no such view.

I saw a squandered opportunity to turn tragedy into moral authority and a failing commitment to rule of law.

I would agree in part.

Obama is trying to take the Justice Dept route now but it is late in the game.

I guess that depends on whether you believe it was a police action or a military operation. I support that the later was in force.

Pete Zicato;633835 wrote:

What lesson(s) did you draw from the event?

I am really more interested in what you think I believe. It is much easier to dispell the assumptions. I have made it evident on this forum and many others that I felt that the invasion into Iraq was an error of a huge scale.

TheMercenary;633899 wrote:

False. You have no proof that I supported the military response, I mean other than I was doing a my job as a senior military officer at the time.

I think you did, and still do, because anything less would devalue the sacrifice of friends who died, not defending the USA, but in a Neocon war.

xoxoxoBruce;633906 wrote:

I think you did, and still do, because anything less would devalue the sacrifice of friends who died, not defending the USA, but in a Neocon war.

I kept the military job and the politics separate. Most do. You do what you have to do and deal with the politics when you retire. I never considered it a "Neocon War". Most are filled with collosal errors, this one is no different. It was a job and we did it.

One Day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pehz98Vygs

TheMercenary;633900 wrote:

I am really more interested in what you think I believe. It is much easier to dispell the assumptions. I have made it evident on this forum and many others that I felt that the invasion into Iraq was an error of a huge scale.

Here we go again, this time I'll apply the brakes early. Your ability to not stand for anything is a charming internet argument strategy.

Griff;633986 wrote:

Here we go again, this time I'll apply the brakes early. Your ability to not stand for anything is a charming internet argument strategy.

I stand for lots of things. I just asked. But you can't box me into who you think I am or what I believe. So I asked out of curiosity so I could set the record straight. Just like I did with you. It is not a personal attack, just a discussion about how you think I think, which has so far been off the mark. Peace.

TheMercenary;633774 wrote:

Amazing. Chilling. How quickly people forget.

Which people are you talking about, exactly?

I can't think of anyone who would have forgotten about that day, except maybe 10 year olds.

bluecuracao;634006 wrote:

Which people are you talking about, exactly?

I can't think of anyone who would have forgotten about that day, except maybe 10 year olds.

I guess it was sort of a general statement that I believe that we are still an extremely vulnerable nation and need to keep our guard up. Sort of *sigh* moment for me. I think our nation is not as focused on the issue as we use to be, but that could just be me. We are currently obsessed with our other issues and I fear people may be taking their eye off the ball.

I am relieved that people are not obsessed with this issue any more. It was stressful and aggravating living in DC after 9/11, always being reminded by the news and flashing signs that the city was at Threat Level Orange.

They could still be at level orange for all I know; we moved away in 2004. But no one was really taking it seriously by then, because after you got your stash of duct tape and plastic tarps, what were you supposed to do about it, anyway? :rolleyes:

Tape your windows shut.

I'm pretty sure you wait until Level Red for that. Not that it would make a difference.

bluecuracao;634098 wrote:

I'm pretty sure you wait until Level Red for that. Not that it would make a difference.

No doubt. It was among many of the stupid things that the Republickins said and did in those 8 long years.

bluecuracao;634072 wrote:

They could still be at level orange for all I know; we moved away in 2004. But no one was really taking it seriously by then, because after you got your stash of duct tape and plastic tarps, what were you supposed to do about it, anyway? :rolleyes:

Those Orange alert were more often issued when the politics needed it. Eventually that became an open conflict between Tom Ridge and the neocons. So the neocons drove Tom Ridge out as director of Homeland Security - simply because he would not issue any more Orange alerts on phony information.