Our Back Bath Room

I was walking out back to day and saw this ,

FUUUUUUCK !!!! This is NOT what I had in mind for a sunday afternoon !!!!!!
A Leak in the Smallest room in the house , How small you ask ??
4'x8'

It Has to be the Water for the Toilet leaking , so I removed the toilet , and got set for a Wall-ectomy

Wall-ectomy compleet , right side is dry , left is wet and has been wet ,and the Only Conclusion is that the leak is from UNDER the shower insert , FUUUUUUUUCK !!!!! Its going to take a sawsall to get that thing Out !!!!!!



so I stuffed new DRY insulation back in the hole, put the toilet back , when we shower in the Morning I will see just where the water is coming from.

We have Talked about redoing that bath room for a while , so we are going to start getting Quotes this next week .

I have been afraid this was going on for some time , and it has !

Man, that sucks zip. :(

Water is brutal.
Your new bathroom is gonna be awesome though, good luck.

Thanks , lets see how this turns out

Or nail the door shut and deny everything.;)

No Can Do Bruce , its MY bath room , and the Only shower in the House

Ooh, serious business then. Code blue, top priority, money is no... well maybe a little, object. :haha:

Plumbing problems suck! I hope you get to the bottom of yours Zip.

Pssst Why is there a timer in your bathroom? :eyebrow:

Man, this is my #1 house problem too, right now. (#2, 3, 4 and 5 are almost as terrible)

Except I know where the water is coming from: the tile in the shower has gone so bad, with so many cracks in the caulking, that it all has to be redone, along with whatever is behind it! And duct tape is no longer a reliable fix.

yuck good luck Zip

On the bright side, at least you noticed the leak when you did. If you hadn't noticed it for another couple years when the toilet fell through the rotten floor, you might be replacing that whole corner of the house.

It looks like a cute bathroom now. Just wait until your done.
I'm sorry for you now but knowing you'll get something nice at the end of it should be a comfort to you.

oops did I just call a 'man bath' cute!:eek:

plumbing is right up there with nuclear winter for things that suck.

good luck, zip!

ain't homeownership grand?

I've showered in that bathroom.

Monnie broke it! It was Monnie!

That's what the timer was for. ;)

so we have 2 quotes and 2 more coming ,
INS Company sent a dude to look on the Tuesday after I posted the thread , we had a check in hand that Thursday (had to send it back , wrong Names , bad spelling etc,,,) ,
any way we are still in the planning stages of this But have picked out and Bought a New Sink / vanity ,

and I want these tiles on the floor ,

and this for the floor in the shower ,

and Prolly this tile for the wall ,

Nice, Zippy. Can I shower at your place? I promise I'll use the timer. ;)

Nice sink, porcelain or fiberglass? Either way, it looks big enough to set a bucket in, which is soooo handy. You have excellent taste... or at least a wife with it. That must be it, after all, she chose you. :thumb2:

porcelain, and Not deep enough to put a bucket in , But Deff deep enough to wash your Hair in ,
Now as to taste we Both agreed that it was Cool ,
now if I can talk Carol into the tiles I want ,
we shall see

No bucket? You need a higher spout, maybe one of those that pulls out to become a hand held... great for hair washing.

It really is good looking sink zip.

I like the whole thing. Three feets up!

You have nice taste zyp.

Thanks

And the tear out begins,




Next weekend sheet rock and Prolly the shower !!!!!

Don't, stop, thinking about tomorrow. It's gonna be a killer bathroom.:thumb:

So Yesterday I commenced to de sheetrock and de Shower the Room ,



I Knew we had Water damage but once I got the shower Out , Holly Moldy !!!!




FUUUUUCK !!!!
damn red necks we got the house from , or that Built it , Didnt box in around the drain for the shower , NOW I have to Tear out and replace All that Nasty Ass Soaked rotten wood !!!
FUUUUUUCCCKKKK !!!!!!

These Pics are going to the Ins dude !!!

We are in the process of redoing our bathroom too. The one off our bedroom.

Ours is nasty, rotten and moldy too. :(

Dude, now's a great time to tear out that fiberglass and replace it with 2" blueboard. Cut it undersized, then foam around the cracks.

get rid of that grey piping and replace it with pex. my brother says that there are class action suits against the manufacturers of that grey shit.

Footz are you talking about foam Insulation ??
And I Agree with the Spray in Foam , I was thinking of seeing if there is a contracter in this Area that will spray in the WHOLE walls .
But Big Planks of Foam Would Prolly be Way Cheaper !

And Jim , That Pipeing is Oh So fixing to be History !

Are you talking about this Kind of stuff Squirlle / Footz
http://building.dow.com/na/en/products/insulation/wallmate.htm

Yeah, that's the shit.
layer it up to fill the depth of the wall cavity, cut it so it fits loosely, use a couple of nails to hold it in place. (drive em sideways into the studs, then bend them to apply pressure to the boards to keep them tight to the wall) Use expanding spray foam to fill the cracks. A little dab'll do ya--it really expands. Trim the spray foam when it dries and re-rock the wall.
You can use odd pieces too, the foam glues it all together. Just be sure that the spray foam doesn't get behind the board and push it away.
Here's a photo:

You probably know this, but if that shower is going to have tile walls, don't use sheetrock (or wax coated sheetrock known as greenboard.) Use Durock or Hardibacker. Only use sheetrock in dry areas of the bathroom. And put tar paper behind the Durock or Hardibacker to protect the studs. Lap the bottom of the tar paper into the shower pan so water that gets into the wall drains into the pan. Fasten the Durock or Hardibacker with epoxy coated screws.

shit, you probably know all this, so I hope you don't think I'm insulting your intelligence. But sheetrock and/or greenboard should never be used in a shower, except maybe on the ceiling.

I learned something knew, Glatt...about the tar paper thing...as a result of your post.

There are other proprietary membranes you can use too, but the tar paper is by far the cheapest and works great under a concrete panel.

Good points,Glatt! I forgot he wasn't using a one piece unit in the shower.

I like this stuff called permabase for tile backing, it's a lot less brittle than durock or hardibacker and has better tooth for the mud.

Mud! That's another thing. When I redid our old leaking shower, I learned a lot during the demo. Do NOT use mastic for the tiles in a wet area. Use thinset mortar. The tiles held on by mastic just popped off with a putty knife and a little twist of my wrist. In fact, some of them had fallen off when the shower just got normal use. But one wall had tiles held on by thinset mortar, and I needed a hammer and cold chisel to get those off.

glatt;636538 wrote:

You probably know this, but if that shower is going to have tile walls, don't use sheetrock (or wax coated sheetrock known as greenboard.)

Wait a second here - I'm about a month behind Zip on my bath, but I thought the greenboard was specifically for bathrooms and "wetter" areas. I am not tiling and will be doing a one piece (hopefully) shower insert install. I need to replace some of the ceiling and top foot or two on the walls about the shower insert. I was planning on using the greenboard. Is that incorrect?

I have no experience with one piece shower units, but if it were my bathroom and I was installing a one piece unit, I'd follow the installation instructions that come with the unit so I don't void the warranty. If they don't address what to use for the top foot or two, I'd probably use concrete backer board, coated with a hard setting (plaster based) drywall compound that could give me a smooth paintable surface. Drywall/greenboard would probably be ok here too, since it will be exposed to the air and will dry quickly when it gets condensations and splatters on it. I'd use regular drywall on the ceiling.

Who wants to come over and redo the master bathroom here? I'll give you like $500.

After I completed the tub surround I did in my house, I crunched the numbers. I do good work, but I take about 80 times longer than a professional would to complete the project, and I'd need to charge roughly 5 times more than that same professional would. I simply am too inefficient.

Let's just say that it's good we had two bathrooms.

OK $700.

One piece units usually get nailed right to the studs through the flange. You want to set the base in a large blob of either thinset or this stuff that I can't remember right now. anyway, you use green board where ever sheetrock would be. It has a slightly water resistant paper. You can tile on top of drywall, but only for areas that will stay dry. In a shower you need to use thinset on backerboard. Glatt is right, avoid mastic.

Undertoad;636576 wrote:

OK $700.

Is that for labor only or labor and materials?

Labor only, I need at minimum a new shower space, but there [strike]might be[/strike]almost surely is the kind of rot that Zip's finding.

Hmmm. You need to post some pics.

Is lodging included? and 3 squares? (I ask on squirells behalf)

Wow Cool 2 Bilder Bob types throwing GOOD Advice !!!
And I am NOT Offended at ALL !!
I was thinking of useing Backer Board on ALL the Walls And THE Celing .
I dont Ever want to have to Mess with this AGAIN !!

Ok , Reconstruction Begins,


This Back Corner was a BITCH !!!!!!!!
Untill I rembered I had some Pieces of Oak 4x4 ,


And we are going to get the Laundry room Tiled as well so carol Has Been KICKING some SERIOUS ASS !! taking up the Old Linoleum !!


Shes down to working on the Corners and Edges , and she just started on it Yesterday Afternoon !

I don't envy you two, that's a shitload of nasty, back breaking work.

Trust me I would rather be doing Most ANY thing else ,
But as My Mom tought me growing up ,
Any thing Good is worth working for , and if you can do it your self it is worth Even More ,
And If you can Learn some things along the way its worth even More !!

Plus We be to Poor to Hire some body to do all this for us

You'll be more thorough about getting the mold out than someone who doesn't live there. What a PIA job. :thepain:

zippyt;638272 wrote:

Trust me I would rather be doing Most ANY thing else ,
But as My Mom tought me growing up ,
Any thing Good is worth working for , and if you can do it your self it is worth Even More ,
And If you can Learn some things along the way its worth even More !!

Hall of fame nominee! :thumbsup:

This thread is absolutely great.
We're planning a remod of our master bath this spring; thinking about putting in a steam shower where the soaking tub is now. So we'd need to tile the ceiling in the new shower, and seal the whole thing in. And I'd like to use greenboard everywhere else. Does that make sense?

This is gonna be fun.

Chris: On the back wall where the pvc pipe is, I see a problem.The studs are not flush with the wall. How are you going to fit the cement board flush with the wall?
Measure twice and cut once, before cutting any material. You do not want buy it twice.

Solution to your problem. One way is to rip a half inch from a 2 by 4 an glue it to the existing studs. The second idea is to rip the studs out and start over again. The first suggestion is a lot easier. your choice.

that was my roommate...make sure that your studs are flush with the floorplates before installing the paneling. he says to rip it out and do it again but make sure all studs line up with the existing studs and floor plates

if you try to install the cement board then it will not fit flush to the floor which will encumber your shower pan and tile installation. you can get away with it but do it right to begin with.....measure twice cut once.....

the gap from the front of the Bottom plate in the corner with the 4x4 and the 2 adjacent studs is No Problem , I am going to Build a seat in that corner ,
the Others are Less than 1/4 " so I aint that worried ,
But I Do have some Scraps of 2x4 that should fill in where Need be .
Thanks

So we'd need to tile the ceiling in the new shower, and seal the whole thing in

Pie , Look at Cooltiles.com , they have some WAY Slick stuff !!
its where we found the Pebbly tiles for the floor of the shower,
Yes they cost a bit more than Plain tile , But I think the Cool factor is worth the expense .

I built a seat Yesterday ,

And yes its Level ,

and Square to the walls and Square in and Of its self ,


Today I worked on Electrical and installed a Fart fan .

Oh and this Last pic is for Jim , he was ragging on me for wearing Overalls when I do this Kind of Work ,
I dont Care How Cool or UNCool I look , I am Going for COMFORT and Utility !!!
Overalls Are WAY Comfy , have Pockets in ALL the right Places , and a Hammer Loop ,
So if you want to Ragg on me Go right Ahead !!!!!

Yeeeeeee Haww!

:thumb:

Nice beard ;)

Thanks

nice work! nice pics too

How'm I gonna rag on a guy with a beard that still shows his dimples?


Rock on, brother Zip.

Working men, wear working clothes.:thumbsup:


Oh, and real men wear what ever the fuck they want.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Bangin' it out Zip - Looks awesome!

I wear overalls whenever I'm working on anything messy around the house. Who wants to ruin a good pair of jeans?

that pic begs a caption, though....

I'll wait for monster to do it.

zippyt;639161 wrote:

Pie , Look at Cooltiles.com , they have some WAY Slick stuff !!
its where we found the Pebbly tiles for the floor of the shower,
Yes they cost a bit more than Plain tile , But I think the Cool factor is worth the expense .

They have some great looking stuff -- thanks for the tip, Zip! I like the pebble look.

Looking Good Zip! I was just in a shower that was tiled all the way up to the ceiling. It was like a steam bath. Now I want to tile my whole shower.

Ok , this week end I spray foamed the Back Bath ,
Getten Set ,

The Foam Man Commith !!!

Der Foam , I followed the Instructions, it was Messy , but EASY PEASY !!!

The Roof ,

The walls ,

These are the Folks that sold me the foam kit
http://www.sprayfoamdirect.com/
Call them , I HIGHLY suggest this stuff !!!
Messy but WAY Cool !! it sets up in Minuets !!!

So Spray foam done , on to Cement Board , Who Knew there was a correct side ( if I had read the Sticker I would have !!!!)
So half a day wasted hanging cement board the Wrong way ,
Now its Hung Right ,

The Cut out for the Shelf


Thats All for Now , More to come

You're pulling off charming or some other endearing quality and I don't get how you can do that dressed as you are.

I WONT say [COLOR=White]cute.[/COLOR]

Great work zip! I'll just pencil you in for my eventual barn project.

I'm confused... I thought the foam was supposed to fill the whole cavity between the studs, from the outside wall to the cement board? :confused:

zippyt;640080 wrote:

Call them , I HIGHLY suggest this stuff !!!
Messy but WAY Cool !! it sets up in Minuets !!!

That's too bad. I like my stuff to set up in Gavottes. :D

Wow - good move getting the canisters - I'd have a bout 50 of those little cans laying about.

Looking really good!

Great job Zippy! Cool beans.

First Bruce , as we dont Live in the Great White North so we dont have to insulate our walls to R97 or sum such ,
we got sideing a few years ago and they put in a 1/2 inch of Styrofoam Insulation( That added a few Rs ) ,
this spray foam adds 7 R per inch , I sprayer it on thick so its Prolly generly R10- 12 ish

Ok Now to the NSFW Part ,
This Pussy Ass Fucking Tile Guy that WAS Going to do our Job , Showed up Wednesday , Said , Oh This and This Needs doing Befor I can Tile , How about the Pour for the Shower floor , Oh That Needs doing Befor I can do that to , Ok I worked my Ass off All day wensday .
This Morning he shows up Past 10 am . Oh this and that needs doing , call me this afternoon , so I work my ass off again, call Him around 2:30 , Oh its To Late in the day to pour the shower floor , Ill see you in the AM , so you will pour the shower floor and get started on the tile then , Oh No ill Just work on getting the Shower ready , so when are you going to start on the tile , well im booked for Monday and tuesday so Maybe wednesday of Next week , Uh Dude , I took Off Most of this week so I could be here while you work , Well sorry but if the Area was Prepped I Could have gotten Started , wernt You supposed to Prep the Area , Oh No You were Supposed to have the Area Prepped for me , so All you are doing is Laying the tiles , Yeah and Building the shower , But I Did ALL the Grunt work , Well WE DONT hang cement Board,,,,
But your Quote was to Build the shower from the studs up , But we Dont hang Cement Board ,
At This Point I am About ready to tel him , Look drop off the supply's we Have Paid for and Go AWAY , But I am Trying to get along , so I say Fine Ill see you in the am
Carol gets Home , I tell her whats Up ,she is WAY upset , calls dudes Boss , Boss man says He Will be there in the AM , Pour the shower floor and get started on the tile while that Dries ,
SO We go to Lowes to get the Wains coating to get started Painting or Staining ( We Still dont Know yet ) ,
Pussy Ass tile Dude calls ME ( Not her ) and Basically says he doesn't WANT to do the Job , because he feels he couldnt do it to HER satisfaction . I say Fine , come in the Morning , Drop Off the supplys that we have All ready paid for and we will part ways .
FUUUUUCCCCKKKKK !!!!! I didnt need this !!! Now we Have to find a new tile dude , explain to him whats up , take time off to deal with All this AGAIN , and FFFFUUUUCCCKKKK !!!!

punch him in his vagina

Contractors suck. They always bitch about each other, too.

What a douchebag.

Zippy, you could probably tile. If you can spread peanut butter on bread, it ain't much different spreading mud with a notched trowel. Then stick the jammies on there. Black and Decker makes a good how to book on tiles. Fine Homebuilding's is ok too, but a bit more advanced.

Dealing with prima donna tile guys sucks.

Ps I'm digging Bro. Dave. Thanks.

I'm sending you a Patton Oswalt.

We are going to Look Tomorrow for a dude to Build the shower and tile the bathroom floor , That I WILL NOT TRY !!
Now as to tileing the Laundry room , well since Most of its covered by Washing Mech and dryer and deep freeze and food shelf , I feel I can figuer out how to do it by the time it get visible , so yeah HAW !!!! here we go !!!!
Unless dude will give us a good quote for doing ALL the tile .
I Dont Mind Paying for Quality

You are totally capable of doing your own tile if you can't find someone. I did my shower and let's face it if I can do it it doesn't take big skills. That said, tile is not fun like wood-working or sex so...

How is a tile floor like a man?

Lay it right the first time and you can walk all over it for the rest of your life.

Yeah, but have you ever tried re-grouting a man???

No, but I've met plenty of grody men.

Tilers are the prima donnas of tradesmen. I've heard so many stories about them throwing hissy fits: I don't carry tiles upstairs ... I will not tile in this awful colour ... etc.

lol! I am so sorry...but this is funny....(not zip's misfortune of course)

Prima donna tile guys? Are you kidding? lol!

Zen's right. The tilers I've met on jobsites are a sensitive lot. The Australian painters and Canadian sheetrockers are another story altogether.

I think they get delusions of being artists, working on a great mosaic or something.

Im Sure they they are Artists , but i just want a Fucking SHOWER !!!!

Griff;640398 wrote:

...not fun like wood-working or sex so...

Heh. Heh heh. You said wood-working. Heh.

Ok , The shower men were here Today ,
they had me take out what I had done ( Poorly )
and Put it All back Correctly

Notice the STREIGHT and correct seems ,

They did the dry pac shower floor After they layed a Bladder ,
oh and the Giant Misshapened seat that I built ,
they tore it out and rebuilt it ( breaking a Flat Pry bar in the process )
All and All I am Happy with day 1

Awesome! I'm impressed...

Great! Sounds reliable and professional so far!

Congratulations on progress! Those "pebbles" are bigger than I had imagined them to be, after looking at the Cooltiles website.

they have Pea Gravel sized sheets as well
we think these will feel cool where the pea gravel sized would feel sort of Prickley

That's awesome that you found tile guys who won't do a half-assed job, and made you re-do what they thought was lacking. It's always a pleasure to find people who take pride in their work and will stand behind it.

Look at those rocks! hehe

lol all I could manage was hanging a rock motif shower curtain.:blush: It's all zen.

That's a whole other story for a different place though.

Love what you are doing zyp!

I am holding in my hand (well, I was before I started typing) a rock that looks exactly like one from your tiles. Is it like some kind of quartz or something? One of my nieces or nephews found it years ago and gave it to me, and I've always kept it at work. Kind of like a worry stone.

Now I want to take a shower while standing on it! :)

and made you re-do what they thought was lacking

Griff , They Put it back , Not me ,
Thats Why it look Soo good

Shawnee Go to www.cooltiles.com , they have Lots of goodies

Water proofing done

Gonna be nice!

Sweeeeet! Looks like yer kickin butt down there Zip!

So Tileing has began ,

Wow, look at all those back scratchers. :lol:

More tile ,



The Border around the door was a Bit to wide for the wall tile so we had them cut a use floor tiles

Looks great, what are they sticking them on with?

xoxoxoBruce;643665 wrote:

Looks great, what are they sticking them on with?

Their hands?:p:

So I have been a Bit remiss on Posting ,
I have been hanging Wainscoting, Trim , Had a water fiasco ,
But the shower is Now Shower able.
YAHHHHH !!!!
heres some Pics ,




Still to complete , Finish the trim , Install the Toilet , Vanity, and Med cabinet.
But the trim Needs to be done Befor I can do Any of that ,
Also I have to Move the Vent ( Fart) fan , It should be a Pretty simple weekend Project , How hard could it be ???

Carol's not going to model it for us? :(

...And now here's Carol to tell you what you''ve won...

Beautiful. :thumbsup:

Carol's not going to model it for us?

I suggested that , she just gave me that " Have You LOST yer Fing Mind " Look .

Ahhh...it looks nice!

Outstanding! Looks nice, really nice.

But wait where's the note "Hot=cold & Cold=hot ;)

Looks great!

But wait where's the note "Hot=cold & Cold=hot

I Fixed that , with Many Brused Knuckles ,Nashin of teeth , and More than a Bit of cussing


Thanks for the complements every body , i REALLY appreacheate it .
I took the First shower in it last nite , im going to hAVE TO GET USED TO THE nEW SHOWER HEAD , And if you want a NON slip floor fo a shower , go with a Pebled floor , you would eather have to be Epaleptic ( No Offence Ment ) , Drunk , or just a TOTAL Spazz to slip on this floor !!!!!!

Zip that looks fantastic.
I'll take you up on the non-slip floor challenge if you like...?
All you have to do is send me the airfare :)

Beautiful, Zip! I hope we do as good a job when we get our remod going.

It's gorgeous!

Wow your shower is wonderful!

Now every time you shower you must be proudly thinking, " I did this" :D

ok an up date ,



I still have to hook up the vanity and put Molding around the ceiling , but its Almost usable

First class, Zip, I love that sink.

Thank You
Its finaly comeing togather

Might want a bigger switch plate on the wainscoting.;)

I have trim cut to Put up to frame them All

Cool, that'll look great.

Wow, that is nice man!

You do nice work!

OK but why is the door to the shower so high up, so small, and behind the sink? Seems like a pain in the ass when you want to take a show... Oh never mind, I see what you did thar

The Whole room is 4x8 , includeing a 3x4 shower , my digi cam Only zooms So far back

squirell nutkin;653813 wrote:

OK but why is the door to the shower so high up, so small, and behind the sink? Seems like a pain in the ass when you want to take a show... Oh never mind, I see what you did thar

:lol:

didn't read the post bro but had you considered a chrome molded shower door? kudos though man! verrrrrry impressed!