the box

henry quirk • Oct 13, 2009 12:31 pm
Prompted by an advertisement for an upcoming movie...


You receive a box containing a button. A note accompanying the box informs you that pushing the button will have two consequences. First, someone in the world you don't know will die. Second, you'll receive $1,000,000.

Would you push the button?
lumberjim • Oct 13, 2009 12:34 pm
oh hell yeah.



someone i don't know died while i was reading your post.
Undertoad • Oct 13, 2009 12:44 pm
Could save a life with a lot less than $1M...
Sheldonrs • Oct 13, 2009 12:53 pm
It's a direct rip-off from an episode of the newer "Twilight Zone" series. One of my favorite episodes.

And I would hope that I would not push the button. Especially after seeing the ending of the episode. :-)

BTW, if you want to know the ending, let me know. I don't know if it's the same as the film will be.
SamIam • Oct 13, 2009 1:09 pm
Undertoad;600846 wrote:
Could save a life with a lot less than $1M...


Yeah, but the person pushing the button is probably not the re-incarnation of Mother Teresa. Yep, folks are dying like flies even as we speak, but I'm not responsible for any of them that I'm aware of.
Shawnee123 • Oct 13, 2009 1:14 pm
But the person dying could be a Charlie Manson...
Sheldonrs • Oct 13, 2009 1:23 pm
Shawnee123;600855 wrote:
But the person dying could be a Charlie Manson...


Or Charlie Parker.
Pie • Oct 13, 2009 1:31 pm
Or it could be a member of Congress, who has to decide if you get healthcare...
Shawnee123 • Oct 13, 2009 1:35 pm
Which is why I have to go back to my initial reaction: of course I would not.

If I could pick who kicked it, it'd be different. No, I would never know if I killed someone awesome, someone who was dying anyway, someone who was horrible...so I could never choose the benefit to ME over the consequence, because I don't know who would be the dead result of the consequence.

Of course, the dead fucker wouldn't care, but the dead fucker might have some really nice family and friends.

just my .02 cents. ;)
Sheldonrs • Oct 13, 2009 1:40 pm
Spoiler Alert***

DO NOT READ THE WHITED LETTERING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING!!!! (for the episode, anyway)


[COLOR="White"]Keep in mind that the person who gave you the button and told you that someone you "don't know" will die is going to be taking that button back when your done and will be giving to someone who "doesn't know YOU![/COLOR]
dar512 • Oct 13, 2009 1:42 pm
No. No matter how you dress it up, it's still killing an innocent person -- at least innocent as far as you're concerned.
Undertoad • Oct 13, 2009 1:44 pm
That was also one of the plots of the last Batman movie.
henry quirk • Oct 13, 2009 1:52 pm
While I don't give two shits about anyone who isn't mine (by virtue of my loving them), there's a huge gap between refusing to help the guy who's on fire and setting the guy on fire.

I don't think I'd push that button.
smoothmoniker • Oct 13, 2009 2:20 pm
Sheldonrs;600863 wrote:
Or Charlie Parker.


Now that would be a helluva button, to reanimate and then off zombie Charlie Parker.
henry quirk • Oct 13, 2009 2:21 pm
HA!
Henry • Oct 13, 2009 4:37 pm
I'd push the button halfway, take my $500,000, and walk away guiltless.
DanaC • Oct 13, 2009 4:44 pm
Sheldonrs;600848 wrote:
It's a direct rip-off from an episode of the newer "Twilight Zone" series. One of my favorite episodes.

And I would hope that I would not push the button. Especially after seeing the ending of the episode. :-)

.


Awesome, awesome episode.
Pie • Oct 13, 2009 4:53 pm
I'd reverse-engineer the button.

Then, I'd use my powers for awesome!
ZenGum • Oct 13, 2009 9:46 pm
I'd be sending "hisses" in morse code (.... .. ... ... . ...) with that baby for hours.

There are far too many humans, and I want to be rich. You got a problem with that? Just hold on a tick, I've got something for you... [press press press press]...


Nah, all BS. I would not press.
dar512 • Oct 13, 2009 10:11 pm
ZenGum;600969 wrote:
I'd be sending "hisses" in morse code (.... .. ... ... . ...) with that baby for hours.

There are far too many humans, and I want to be rich. You got a problem with that? Just hold on a tick, I've got something for you... [press press press press]...


Nah, all BS. I would not press.

We knew that. ;)
lumberjim • Oct 13, 2009 11:41 pm
I'd hit the button 5 times! gimme my 5 million, bitch!
lumberjim • Oct 13, 2009 11:44 pm
a friend i posed this question to says:

I'd keep hitting it until I actually got to see someone fall down
ZenGum • Oct 14, 2009 3:36 am
:lol:

For those who would push ... how many times would you push?

One million isn't really enough. Two is scraping. But if you've already killed three or four random strangers, why worry about more?
Aliantha • Oct 14, 2009 4:22 am
I was thinking about this question, and it occured to me that the word 'know' should be defined before you make your decision.

What I mean is, what if it kills the old man who walks up the street to get his paper every day and gives you a wave as he goes by? You don't really 'know' him, but you do sort of 'know' him in a way, but not in any meaningful way.

So, are the people you see on the street safe, or are they fair game?
Aliantha • Oct 14, 2009 4:23 am
I wouldn't push the button by the way, regardless of the terms. I don't agree with capital punishment, so it'd make me a hypocrite if I'd kill someone for nothing wouldn't it.
ZenGum • Oct 14, 2009 7:31 am
You call a million bucks nothing?
Aliantha • Oct 14, 2009 7:46 am
It's just money. ;)

Of course, I meant the fact that they did nothing in particular to deserve me to kill them.
henry quirk • Oct 14, 2009 11:13 am
Suppose you, the button pusher were allowed multiple pushes. And what if each time you pushed the button, the chances would increase that you would kill someone you 'do' know.

In other words: first push...a stranger dies.

Second push: there's a one percent chance someone you know dies.

Third push: there's a two percent chance someone you know dies.

And so on...

For those who would push the button: what's the acceptable risk of losing a family member or friend to get another million, and another million, and another…
Shawnee123 • Oct 14, 2009 11:14 am
Ali said it all:

It's just money. Meaningless in the grand scheme...
henry quirk • Oct 14, 2009 11:24 am
Indeed. Everything is meaningless in the grand scheme. And still folks grapple with 'shoulds' and 'woulds' and 'coulds'.

Declaring it 'just money' or 'meaningless' isn't relevant.

Why?

Because if such a button existed, some folks 'would' push it. As a result: people would die.

In the grand scheme, those folks (both the pushers and the 'recipients' of the push) are 'meaningless', but, to themselves, they're everything.
Shawnee123 • Oct 14, 2009 11:46 am
The pushers will never have meaning, will never feel anything meaningful. For lack of a better phrase, their priorities are all fucked up.

Unless of course, the pusher has a sick child and a million dollars would buy them all the best medical care.

Ah, there's the rub.
classicman • Oct 14, 2009 11:48 am
I might push it if I "knew" the person, but to do it to an unknown - no way.
Sheldonrs • Oct 14, 2009 12:05 pm
Ah Haa!!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734727/trivia

"The Twilight Zone" Profile in Silver/Button, Button (1986)

Richard Matheson's story for the "Button, Button" has been developed into a movie, The Box (2009/I), starring Cameron Diaz and James Marsden, and scheduled for release in 2009.
Sundae • Oct 14, 2009 2:40 pm
I'd push it.
I have a social conscience, but mostly I'm immoral.

I'd like £1m, and people die every day. Millions of them. Many could be prevented, especially deaths of children. If I didn't benefit, they'd die anyway - why is one deah worth more than another?
henry quirk • Oct 14, 2009 3:58 pm
Taking Sundae's reasoning: I have the box, I push the button, someone close to Sundae drops dead.


Sundae, with a dead 'someone close' at your feet, can you still ask, 'why is one dea(t)h worth more than another?'

Objectively: you're absolutely right in the asking, of course.

But: right here, right now, we're talking not about a faceless stranger (an object), but one of 'yours' (a subject).

I net a million; you have a funeral to pay for.

Still feel cavalier?

#

"...people die every day. Millions of them. Many could be prevented, especially deaths of children."

As I pointed out up-thread: there's a big difference between refusing to put out the fire, and, starting the fire.
Cloud • Oct 14, 2009 4:16 pm
no.
monster • Oct 14, 2009 4:44 pm
I can't answer. some fucker pushed my button already :cry:


;)





No. No way, no how would I push that button. not even once for 5 million.
Happy Monkey • Oct 14, 2009 4:46 pm
Sheldonrs;600876 wrote:
Spoiler Alert***

DO NOT READ THE WHITED LETTERING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING!!!! (for the episode, anyway)

But, [COLOR=white]isn't that true whether you push the button or not[/COLOR]?
henry quirk • Oct 14, 2009 4:56 pm
ZOMBIE!

Quick! Shoot it in the head!
Sheldonrs • Oct 14, 2009 5:11 pm
How about if you push a button and someone you don't know gets Herpes?
Aliantha • Oct 14, 2009 5:12 pm
Well in that case I'd push the button then pass it on. If we all have herpes, then no one will need to worry about catching it. ;)
Shawnee123 • Oct 14, 2009 6:16 pm
This is better:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/44b3d8f432/the-button?rel=player
ZenGum • Oct 14, 2009 7:33 pm
Is it any different if pressing the button causes the death of a random person who could be someone you know, or could even be you.

It seems fairer to me, to push it, if there is an equal chance that it will be me who dies.
monster • Oct 14, 2009 9:39 pm
What happens if you pull the button? cause there's always some fucker who pulls when it says push....
lumberjim • Oct 14, 2009 9:47 pm
you die, and someone you dont know gets a million dollars.
dar512 • Oct 14, 2009 9:50 pm
lumberjim;601185 wrote:
you die, and someone you dont know gets a million dollars.

Makes sense.:D
sexobon • Oct 15, 2009 5:27 am
With my finger on the button, I'd take the whole kit and caboodle and go public with it. Then I'd charge people a dollar each to introduce themselves to me. Why settle for a measly million?
ZenGum • Oct 15, 2009 6:14 am
Brilliant!


Here's another variation:
If you press the button, there is a 50% chance that you will get very large amount of money, and someone randomly chosen will die, but also a 50% chance that you will die and someone randomly chosen will receive the money.

This is inspired by Rawls' social philosophy, in that an arrangement is "fair" only if you would agree to be a party to it without knowing what role in that arrangement you will play.
monster • Oct 15, 2009 9:37 am
sexobama ftw
Sheldonrs • Oct 15, 2009 9:39 am
I just realized something. Push a button, somone you don't know dies and you get a million dollars...Isn't that what we call the insurance industry?
Pie • Oct 15, 2009 9:50 am
Yeah. And life insurance policies are now being bundled into tranches and sold off to investors... More massive, institutional players with an stake in your expeditious demise.
Spexxvet • Oct 15, 2009 10:06 am
Pie;601277 wrote:
Yeah. And life insurance policies are now being bundled into tranches and sold off to investors... More massive, institutional players with an stake in your expeditious demise.


Oh no! It's the beginning of the insurance wars... Health insurance companies want you to die and life insurance companies want you to live.... who will reign supreme - highlights at eleven.:p
Pie • Oct 15, 2009 10:38 am
Life insurance companies can't do much to keep you alive. Health insurance companies can do everything to 'lower their costs' if you get sick.

You tell me who has more power -- who will win.
Crimson Ghost • Oct 16, 2009 2:31 am
Life insurance is you betting you'll die, and the insurance company is betting you'll live.

Yes, I'd push the button.
Without hesitation.
And if the next person pushes the button and I die, so goes the circle of life.
whirducut • Oct 20, 2009 1:46 pm
I accept: It's a direct rip-off from an episode of the newer "Twilight Zone" series.