An unemployed Linux sysadmin answers your questions about being unemployed

Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 2:44 pm
Go ahead, ask away.
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 2:49 pm
Pooka was just asking the other day if you ever got a job, or what?

You don't have to answer the or what part if you answer the other part.

Unless you want to. And I guess you already did, in the thread title.

Or the other part, or whatever. Anyways, nevermind. Thanks!
Bullitt • Jun 26, 2009 2:49 pm
What's your level of commitment here?:

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Shawnee123 • Jun 26, 2009 2:51 pm
Dear Unemployed Linux Sysadmin:

Have you seen my other blue sock?
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 3:01 pm
I never did get hired, but I have a lead on some long-term IT consulting that could earn me about 3/5ths of what I was getting. It's part-time stuff so I can continue to look for other things.
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 3:02 pm
Other blue sock: just under the bed.
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 3:02 pm
My level of commitment: 3, although I was at that level while employed.
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 3:04 pm
Oh, but I have a serious question!

Does Linux have an internet, or an email thing? Can you do AOL to check your MySpace?

Oh, and can I download YouTubes? Because that's a deal-breaker and I heard Macs can't 3G the right end-peg drivers.

Also, is there a good book I can read to become an expert on Lexus, because I heard they got mega jobs if you can program web pages.
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 3:09 pm
The answer, simply put, is yes. Linux can do all that for you. But you'll need to hire a helpful IT guy on a retainer basis.
Shawnee123 • Jun 26, 2009 3:12 pm
Dear Unemployed Linux Sysadmin:

I lost my retainer. Have you seen it?
Cloud • Jun 26, 2009 3:13 pm
is it possible to get tired of Ramen noodles?
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 3:15 pm
cd /lostandfound
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 3:16 pm
Retainer: just under the bed.

My body rejects ramen noodles, but I have been known to eat an entire package of Rice-a-Roni, the San Francisco Treat!
glatt • Jun 26, 2009 3:17 pm
How does your garden grow?
Cloud • Jun 26, 2009 3:17 pm
just watch out for the weenies and beans--they'll get ya everytime!
smoothmoniker • Jun 26, 2009 3:20 pm
any experience setting up a caldav server to run on a linux box? I've tried, and managed to screw it up pretty badly. I want to move from simple iCal publishing on a webdav folder to a true caldav setup for our home calendar, so that my wife and I can use it to sync everything, iphones, laptops, everything.
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 3:31 pm
garden is a whole nother thread!

I've only done the simple iCal publishing. But being unemployed, I find it easiest to sync my calendars by not having any actual appointments.
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 3:34 pm
smoothmoniker;577920 wrote:
any experience setting up a caldav server to run on a linux box? I've tried, and managed to screw it up pretty badly.
Oh, my freind showed me once how this is because you don't have your Yahoo on that screen! You have to network your screens.
smoothmoniker • Jun 26, 2009 3:39 pm
I don't leave my yahoo screen open, because of viruses. if it's open in a window in the background, you can't keep an eye on it, and don't know if it's downloading itself as a virus on your memory drive.
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 3:42 pm
Then the only other thing it could be is the wrong IT address.
smoothmoniker • Jun 26, 2009 3:46 pm
is that the aol keyword IT address? on my internet?
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 3:59 pm
But it's the MAC address if you're not using win zip. The zip code isn't the same on those. You have a Linux Apple, right?
smoothmoniker • Jun 26, 2009 5:31 pm
no, neXT.
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 5:43 pm
Then use the scuzzy cable.
smoothmoniker • Jun 26, 2009 5:51 pm
dude, I still have a huge collection of SCSI drives and cables. There are STILL keyboard companies that use SCSI interfaces to attach sample drives.

Ridiculous.
Flint • Jun 26, 2009 5:54 pm
My last site had DLT tape drives attached via SCSI. Joy, those. Wouldn't say I had a huge collection... Haggis!

The niche technology industries apparently have warehouses full of archaic equipment they have yet to unload.
smoothmoniker • Jun 26, 2009 6:02 pm
and you can't just dump them in a landfill, because they're all toxic.
Juniper • Jun 26, 2009 6:18 pm
Ooh, I have a question. Is it lye-nux or lin-nux? Long I or short I? I've never actually heard the word spoken.
Perry Winkle • Jun 26, 2009 6:30 pm
I could have used you to translate the Armenian usenet thread I had to read to fix my freetds->unixodbc->mssql issues earlier.
Undertoad • Jun 26, 2009 6:34 pm
Around these parts it's lin-nux.
limey • Jun 26, 2009 6:46 pm
Oh bugger - I got that wrong then.
Oh, and, have you got any use for an unemployed Russian translator?
Shawnee123 • Jun 26, 2009 7:44 pm
I've always heard it in my head as linux, sounds like Linus. I thought Linus would be a good picture for it, if I had any clue what a linux was, or is, or whatever. And how come nobody ever names their kid Linus? Answer that, ULS.
TheMercenary • Jun 27, 2009 8:06 am
Dear Unemployed Linux Sysadmin:

What do you do with all your free time?
Undertoad • Jun 27, 2009 8:40 am
I divide up my time as: 1/4 reading the entire internets, 1/4 Cellar-fying, 1/4 learning new things that may help me get a job, and 1/4 feeling sorry for myself.
Griff • Jun 27, 2009 8:44 am
Dear UnEmSysAd,
I know it is the leading fad but is this unemployment thing really so cool that everyone should be doing it? I mean at some point someone has to work, no? Or was that a meme started by the man to keep us from taking our cubicles down?
Shawnee123 • Jun 27, 2009 8:50 am
You can have my cubicle when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

And thanks for the time Cellar-fying, UT. :)
footfootfoot • Jun 27, 2009 9:34 am
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Undertoad • Jun 27, 2009 10:29 am
I would rather work than not work. There are definitely more cool things about working than about not working. The money is the coolest part. I mean, it seems like I have free time and could just about do anything, road trip to Vegas etc. but since there is no money, I can't do that anyway.
Griff • Jun 27, 2009 10:33 am
Work gives us a scaffold to organize our lives around as well. Good luck bro, it is rough out there.
Undertoad • Jun 27, 2009 10:46 am
The other thing is that unemployment definitely gives you an incentive not to work, and that is this:

they give you half your previous salary

and therefore you will not take a job that pays 3/5ths of your previous salary. Let's see, $100 more a week to do shit-level customer support work... no I will stay out, and use my time to look for something better.

And there is some incentive not to take things that pay 4/5ths, although I would certainly take that... because if you become unemployed at a new lower salary, you will only get half of the new level salary, yuh see.

This applies both to me, well-paid IP expert, and to the boy, 22-year-old unskilled laborer. In the good economy he could do construction for $14/hour. But now he could only get, say, landscaping work at $8/hour. That's not a good deal because he would be laid off at the end of the landscaping season, and then his unemployment would be truly pathetic, instead of the tiny amount he gets now.
TheMercenary • Jun 27, 2009 11:04 am
Dear Unemployed Linux Sysadmin:

How do you plan to control your CO2 emissions under the new Cap and Trade policy? Any plans to sell them on Ebay or the Cellar?
TheMercenary • Jun 27, 2009 11:06 am
Dear Unemployed Linux Sysadmin:

What do unemployed people eat for dinner on a regular basis? Have you considered growing your own or raising chickens to supplement your diet?
Undertoad • Jun 27, 2009 11:12 am
Being unemployed has lowered my carbon footprint as I drive far less and consume less. I'm going to save them, and use them up with a big celebratory barn burning.

Ownership of farm animals is prohibited in my township's residential zoning, but there will be a bumper crop of tomatoes, squash, and sunflower seeds this year.
Juniper • Jun 27, 2009 12:01 pm
Shawnee, actually I do know someone who named her son Linus. She is an e-mail friend of mine, actually one of few I've actually met in person, and she lives in Cologne, Germany. Her son's name is pronounced "lee-noose."

But yeah, I'd also imagined Linux like Linus from the Peanuts.

Going with what UT said -- I'd rather work than not work too. I do a lot of trash-talking about how awesome it is to freelance, but if my devotion to motherhood did not prevent me from getting a regular full-time job, I'd jump on it in an instant. If anyone would have me.
morethanpretty • Jun 27, 2009 12:10 pm
Juniper;578131 wrote:
If anyone would have me.



Oh, they would have you alright...
lumberjim • Jun 27, 2009 12:40 pm
Flint;577940 wrote:
But it's the MAC address if you're not using win zip. The zip code isn't the same on those. You have a Linux Apple, right?

I can't DOS this statement. It's kernel is missing an unknown parameter or something. I'm going to begin a physical memory dump now.
smoothmoniker • Jun 27, 2009 12:44 pm
LJ, that makes no sense.

A physical memory dump only fixes a kernel parameter if the standard output is bounded.

Did you check the recycle bin?
lumberjim • Jun 27, 2009 12:44 pm
my question is this:

Does it keep you up at night, or roll you out of bed at the crack of dawn? Are you constantly thinking about it? Or have you become accustomed to it? Is it a source of stress?

Are you doing everything you can possibly do to correct the situation?
Griff • Jun 27, 2009 12:47 pm
I used to get up at the crack of Dawn.
lumberjim • Jun 27, 2009 1:00 pm
she left you?
footfootfoot • Jun 27, 2009 1:00 pm
Get up, go down. Whatever it takes, man.
monster • Jun 27, 2009 1:10 pm
Shawnee123;577976 wrote:
And how come nobody ever names their kid Linus? Answer that, ULS.

There are two kids called Linus in my kids school of 480 kids. That's nearly half a percent. That's like having three Shawnee123s in the cellar. Or something.
slang • Jun 27, 2009 3:08 pm
I'm still chuckling at your thread title but I know you're bummed out.

Sorry that things aren't working out for you at the moment.
smoothmoniker • Jun 27, 2009 3:58 pm
I'm highly offended that people are more interested in your misery than in my thread.

Also, we're all pulling for you, UT.
Shawnee123 • Jun 27, 2009 4:37 pm
monster;578147 wrote:
There are two kids called Linus in my kids school of 480 kids. That's nearly half a percent. That's like having three Shawnee123s in the cellar. Or something.


Really? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone named Linus except for Linus Van Pelt. I like it.

Three Shawnee123s is two (or three) too many.
Clodfobble • Jun 27, 2009 7:08 pm
Undertoad wrote:
they give you half your previous salary


Seriously? No upper limit? In my state it's also technically a percentage of what you made--maybe it's half, but I don't actually have any idea because it also caps out at about $7 an hour, no more.

Also, about the Linux pronunciation thing, I've heard that it was originally supposed to be LEYE-nux, because the guy who created it was indeed named Linus. But the reality is everyone (everyone I and my sysadmin husband know, anyway) says LIN-ux now, and they would laugh at anyone who said differently.
lumberjim • Jun 27, 2009 9:35 pm
I stopped by the Jug Handle Inn tonight and watched an Unemployed Linux Sysadmin rock out with his......bass out.

When I arrived they were in mid 'Enter Sandman' and faded into War Pigs.....then.....SOBER by tool...and Tony was beating his bass like a red headed stepchild. buh duh, buh dump......buh duh....buh duh, bah dump. They closed with Comfortably Numb. Had been playing since 3:30, and the crowd was still paying attention....so....i give them props.

then they tried to stop, but crowd demanded an encore!

Rock n Roll by Led Zep.

the new singer is a big huge 300 lb-der.....and he hasn't got all the words memorized just yet....but he has range and power...and he's not scared.

they play there again on mischief night. locals should attend.
Undertoad • Jun 27, 2009 9:44 pm
It is painful to be in this situation but somewhere amongst my many failures I learned how not to dwell on things. Especially during the divorce, because if you dwell upon how shitty your situation has become, it is quickly overwhelming. I found that, sometimes, you just have to set it aside in your mind, agree with yourself not to think about it for a while.

That's especially true of blame. I blame myself nine different ways for losing my previous job, but at the same time there was little I could have done with the politics, and certainly nothing about the economy. So I just set that blame aside. There's ways to blame myself for not finding anything by now, too, but again, there's only so much you can do, so I set that aside.

The stress comes from other places. There is a certain level of uncertainty, which is what happens if I don't get something before I run out of unemployment, which is to happen in about 5 months. There's a level of stress added without having regular money around.
Undertoad • Jun 27, 2009 9:54 pm
Yeah! I saw LJ, went over to talk with him, because our set was done... and people just kept on saying ONE MORE SONG JUST ONE MORE, and they hadda call me back. I felt good about LJ being there because the last time he saw the band, we kind of sucked... kind of, we were rather new as an act. Our shit has come together a great deal since then.

Lucky too that LJ arrives in time to see my one show-off song... I really get to ham it up and play full throttle on Sober. Yeah, I slap that thing around and treat it with no respect. I've that bass six years and it's only just now broken in.
Beestie • Jun 28, 2009 12:18 am
Cool UT.

I'd love to come up and see you guys play one of these days.

As far as unemployment goes, I got tossed out on my ass this spring after ten years. No hard feelings - they just ran out of work and I cost too much to make copies.

My advice -enjoy your time off. A lot can happen in five months. This could be a great summer if you let it. And you don't need money to have fun. Make music - work the garden, spend time with your lovely wife.

When you do rejoin the ranks of the working stiffs, you'll miss the time you had. I know I do. Don't be in such a hurry to get back to work. 5 months is long time. Make a deal that you won't worry about it for two more months.
smoothmoniker • Jun 28, 2009 4:00 am
West Coast Tour! The fans demand it!
limey • Jun 28, 2009 4:28 am
UK tour - the fans absolutely insist!
Griff • Jun 28, 2009 12:46 pm
Undertoad;578238 wrote:
Yeah, I slap that thing around and treat it with no respect.


Sweet!
Pooka • Jun 29, 2009 2:27 pm
Seems like you should get paid to run this site....
Undertoad • Jun 29, 2009 2:47 pm
I get a place where I can talk about all kinds of cool stuff with all kinds of cool people. Payment enough!
Shawnee123 • Jun 29, 2009 3:09 pm
By "all kinds of cool people" he means me, by the way.

:lol:
NoBoxes • Jun 30, 2009 4:49 am
Well, it takes all kinds.
Perry Winkle • Jun 30, 2009 11:09 am
Clod: The definitive word on Linux pronunciation.
monster • Jul 12, 2009 5:48 pm
monster;578147 wrote:
There are two kids called Linus in my kids school of 480 kids. That's nearly half a percent. That's like having three Shawnee123s in the cellar. Or something.


Shawnee123;578172 wrote:
Really? I don't think I've ever heard of anyone named Linus except for Linus Van Pelt. I like it.

Three Shawnee123s is two (or three) too many.


I was reminded today that there are not two but three Linuses in my kids' school -one seventh-grader and two third-graders. So that's like four or five shawnee123s. :eek: