Well at least Sonny can roll over in the privacy of his grave.

Sheldonrs • Jun 11, 2009 6:48 pm
http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/articles/2009/06/11/20090611chastitybono.html
classicman • Jun 11, 2009 7:33 pm
Cher's daughter Chastity Bono announces sex change

LOS ANGELES -- Chastity Bono is having a sex change to become a man. A spokesman for the daughter of Sonny and Cher says Bono "has made the courageous decision to honor his true identity" and began the sex-change process earlier this year.

Publicist Howard Bragman said Bono "is proud of his decision" and hopes "that his choice to transition will open the hearts and minds of the public regarding this issue."

The 40-year-old writer, activist and reality-TV star came out as gay 20 years ago.
ZenGum • Jun 12, 2009 1:58 am
Chastity Bono announces sex change :lol2:

Damn, I must stop reading this stuff in an open plan office. Now I have to explain.
TheMercenary • Jun 12, 2009 7:56 am
Wonder what Cher thinks about that?

"Hey mom, I think I am going to become a dude."

What do you think?
Alluvial • Jun 12, 2009 11:12 pm
*shrug* I don't give a rat's ass.

It's her life. It's her money. I don't know why anyone who isn't part of her family cares.
Siochain • Jun 15, 2009 10:39 am
Seriously, she came out of the closet years ago, I guess for her this is the next step. I could care less.
TheMercenary • Jun 18, 2009 10:40 pm
Alluvial;573708 wrote:
I don't know why anyone who isn't part of her family cares.
What would you do if you were her father, mother, sister, brother? Would you think the same?[devilsadvocate]
Alluvial • Jun 21, 2009 9:00 am
TheMercenary;575760 wrote:
What would you do if you were her father, mother, sister, brother? Would you think the same?[devilsadvocate]


I might feel freaky about it for a while - but underneath it all, she'd still be my child/sibling. Yanno, if she'd been a lesbian all her life, I would have been used to that ... it's not like I wouldn't have had any warning. (Yes, I know that changing genders is not the same thing as being a lesbian).

When my kids were going thru puberty, I let them know that their sexual orientation wasn't something I'd fret over. I'd be the same way with a brother or sister.

If it were a parent, that is a whole 'nother bucket of weirdness... I'd try to get past it tho.
Clodfobble • Jun 21, 2009 11:20 am
Alluvial wrote:
When my kids were going thru puberty, I let them know that their sexual orientation wasn't something I'd fret over.


My mother practically begged me to be a lesbian so she could prove how tolerant she would be. :)
Shawnee123 • Jun 21, 2009 11:37 am
hahahhahahaha @ clod!

I think my mom may have secretly wished it so: I'd made such wonderful choices in men it couldn't be any worse. Plus, as you said, she'd like the tolerant loving mom bit "My daughter is a lesbian and I love her as if she were straight." I mean that in the most loving way towards my mom, who is that awesome. ;)
Alluvial • Jun 21, 2009 1:42 pm
My son now says that he had a moment of "Wait ... does Mom want me to be gay ??" . Heh.

Sorry about that, son.
be-bop • Jun 21, 2009 6:58 pm
I have to admit I'm a tad confused about the whole Gay,Transexual thing,
I'm not meaning to be flippant and I sure she/he has not done this lightly I'm assuming the surgery is major,but I have to ask the question If you're gay then your orientation is towards a person of the same sex. if you change sex then your orentation is towards the opposite sex and you're no longer gay..
So what does that say about being gay because gay people I know have no compulsion to change sex they are happy in their own skin so to speak and sexually attracted to their own sex.
So for twenty years or so whenever she came out she wasn't gay but straight but in the wrong body?
Can't get my head around that at all
Shawnee123 • Jun 21, 2009 7:01 pm
I see what you're saying, be-bop, it does seem weird. It's the ultimate in ambiguity.
BrianR • Jun 21, 2009 8:35 pm
Be-bop, you have hit on an interesting conundrum for some TSs. They have a period of gender preference anxiety until they "find themselves".

A TS is not necessarily gay nor is it given that they will be attracted to the same gender that they were before transitioning. Some even chuck it all and go bisexual, to make things easier.

We have/had several transsexuals here, four that I'm certain of. One is not even thinking of sex at this time, another is bisexual but in a committed lesbian relationship, the rest I never asked and haven't seen in years.

I know some even experiment with homosexual relations before officially discovering that they were born in the wrong body, so to speak. It's confusing, even for the TS involved, but they have so much on their plate by then that sexual preference tends to take a back seat until they iron out certain other issues first.
TheMercenary • Jun 23, 2009 2:32 pm
Alluvial;576290 wrote:
I might feel freaky about it for a while - but underneath it all, she'd still be my child/sibling. Yanno, if she'd been a lesbian all her life, I would have been used to that ... it's not like I wouldn't have had any warning. (Yes, I know that changing genders is not the same thing as being a lesbian).

When my kids were going thru puberty, I let them know that their sexual orientation wasn't something I'd fret over. I'd be the same way with a brother or sister.

If it were a parent, that is a whole 'nother bucket of weirdness... I'd try to get past it tho.

Being gay or lesbian is so accepted now days it really is not that big of a deal. Not for me anyway. Sex change and gender reassignment is a whole nother ball of wax.
TheMercenary • Jun 23, 2009 2:34 pm
be-bop;576377 wrote:
I have to admit I'm a tad confused about the whole Gay,Transexual thing,
I'm not meaning to be flippant and I sure she/he has not done this lightly I'm assuming the surgery is major,but I have to ask the question If you're gay then your orientation is towards a person of the same sex. if you change sex then your orentation is towards the opposite sex and you're no longer gay..
So what does that say about being gay because gay people I know have no compulsion to change sex they are happy in their own skin so to speak and sexually attracted to their own sex.
So for twenty years or so whenever she came out she wasn't gay but straight but in the wrong body?
Can't get my head around that at all
A number of leading experts have stated that, and there have been a few supporting studies, that there is little to none of a a relationship between the association of transgendered people and sexual orientation.
dmg1969 • Jun 23, 2009 2:55 pm
It's her (his) life. Eh...

I actually just started on facebook a few months back. A few of my high school friends sent friends requests and I did the same. One of them had me stumped. It was someone named Shane with a last name I recognized. But...the only person I knew with that last name was a Heather. You know the rest of the story.
ZenGum • Jun 23, 2009 7:27 pm
TheMercenary;576811 wrote:
Sex change and gender reassignment is a whole nother ball of wax.


Wax? Surely there are better materials?
TheMercenary • Jun 24, 2009 11:30 am
ZenGum;576889 wrote:
Wax? Surely there are better materials?


:D
Alluvial • Jun 25, 2009 10:02 pm
TheMercenary;576811 wrote:
Being gay or lesbian is so accepted now days it really is not that big of a deal. Not for me anyway. Sex change and gender reassignment is a whole nother ball of wax.


Yeah, it would be strange getting used to the idea. But I'm confident that I could work through it. It might take a while.
BrianR • Jun 27, 2009 10:44 pm
As long as you remember that what you see is NOT the person, it is a shell in which they live. The person is in the head, a collection of memories, personality and thoughts. A sex change (gender reassignment)is little more than making the inside match the outside.
Alibar • Jun 27, 2009 11:44 pm
Fine with me for Chastity to do whatever she wants to do. If my daughter or son told me they were going to change gender I would first say, oh, for God's sake, what's the matter with you?
Glinda • Jun 30, 2009 1:58 pm
Five years ago this month, I ditched "normal" life and skedaddled for the country - all alone, didn't know anyone here, yadda yadda. I'm perfectly content being singular and independent, but mom (good ol' mom) was a bit freaked out that I was doing this all on my lonesome, and that I was happy to stay that way. (Men? Been there for decades, got more freakin' t-shirts than I can possibly use.)

About a year ago, mom called me with something on her mind. She had a hard time getting to it, but eventually, she blurted out "Are you gay?" [COLOR="Blue"]*[/COLOR]

I nearly bust a gut laughing. I still chuckle every time I think about it. :D


[COLOR="Blue"]*[/COLOR] [SIZE="1"]Not that there's anything....[/SIZE]
Sundae • Jun 30, 2009 4:37 pm
Glinda;578744 wrote:
About a year ago, mom called me with something on her mind. She had a hard time getting to it, but eventually, she blurted out "Are you gay?"

My Mum has hinted around this for a while. I think she's scared of the answer. I know she thinks that having short pink hair must be some kind of statement...
Alibar;578261 wrote:
Fine with me for Chastity to do whatever she wants to do. If my daughter or son told me they were going to change gender I would first say, oh, for God's sake, what's the matter with you?

Exactly what Mum would say. She'd be the same if I brought a girlfriend home. She's certainly not homophobic - having worked in uniform she knew plenty of lesbian couples, and went on endlessly about the lovely commitment ceremony she went to - even if she did mainly focus on the catering :) But she - and my sister - would very much roll their eyes and think "typical!" if I ever suggested I liked a bit of muff.

I do not personally understand gender reassignment. But I know that there is evidence people have had gender identity issues for centuries before surgery was available to do anything about it, so I accept it is a totally real desire. The sad thing is, some damaged people (by which I mean people who are not genuinely transgendered but have emotional and/ or mental health issues) do cling to the banner, and hurt the real cases by it.

Trouble is, by trying to weed out these cases, the hurdles set for gender reassignment have to be so much higher and harder.
TheMercenary • Jul 7, 2009 9:53 am
BrianR;578254 wrote:
As long as you remember that what you see is NOT the person, it is a shell in which they live. The person is in the head, a collection of memories, personality and thoughts. A sex change (gender reassignment)is little more than making the inside match the outside.
I disagree. That is not what the person wants you to believe. They are not the same person on the inside. That is why they are more comfortable in their new persona. I have nothing against that. But they are not the same person and do not want you to think of them as the same person.
sugarpop • Jul 7, 2009 7:32 pm
I believe some people really are born different, and we should accept people for who they really are, not who or what we think they should be.
TheMercenary • Jul 7, 2009 10:00 pm
sugarpop;580139 wrote:
I believe some people really are born different, and we should accept people for who they really are, not who or what we think they should be.

And how many children have you raised?
dar512 • Jul 8, 2009 10:00 am
TheMercenary;580185 wrote:
And how many children have you raised?

Because you think parents should dictate to their children who and what they can be?
TheMercenary • Jul 8, 2009 10:20 am
dar512;580270 wrote:
Because you think parents should dictate to their children who and what they can be?

Never.
sugarpop • Jul 11, 2009 1:21 pm
TheMercenary;580185 wrote:
And how many children have you raised?


None. What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying if one of your kids was grown, and gay, and decided they wanted a sex change, YOU would love them any less? sorry but I don't buy it.
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