Attention Cellar
I recently made (yet another) mistake and need to cut ties with the Cellar in order to attempt to repair the damage I have done to my marriage. In a nutshell, Red asked me not to send NSFW pics without his knowledge, I did anyway.
Thank you for your company over the last 6+ years.
Bye.
Shit.
Bye, honey. Good luck and be well.
Damn, after all it was you're happy demeanor and smiling face we lusted for. It's a shame Red didn't become involved, I think he'd of had fun here. :cry:
Oh, Lab! I hope this is only a temporary thing! I will miss you!
It's a shame Red didn't become involved, I think he'd of had fun here.
Well, he's not welcome here now.
(I say this not in an official capacity, he surely isn't banned, but if he posts I for one will tell him what a massive dickhole he's being)
Now, now, now, don't burn bridges. :headshake
I'm so sorry to hear this. But I totally understand where it's coming from.
That is one of the big reasons I don't post those photos. Sometimes I'll get a good buzz on and think it might be fun - why not, I have nothing to be ashamed of. But then I think, oops, what if my hubby found out? He's not prudish at all but I don't think he'd understand. In fact I did once and deleted it about 5 minutes later!
He's not an Internet kind of guy. He gets online to search through Craiglist or Ebay when he wants something, but that's about it. He doesn't even do e-mail.
LabRat, I hope you get things patched up and are able to come back!
Lab, I understand, but we will miss you terribly. I hope Red knows what a treasure he has.
Best wishes to both of you.
Well Lab, travel well, see ya when we see ya.
That sucks - I really enjoyed your perspective and many of the pics of you with your family. Red seemed like a great guy, good father & husband.
I can understand his perspective based upon the assumption that you agreed not to and then did. Its not the pic so much as the principle. I sincerely hope you and Red can work things out and maybe BOTH come back.
Be well.
Red, you ignorant slut.
ETA: I say that in jest. if you promised not to, and then you did.....then yeah....that's a problem. I get that.
Family is #1. we'll miss you.
Sorry to hear this, Labrat. Hope it works out OK and that you'll be back.
Edited to add: Shame he didn't see
this post ...
Your priorities right now are as they should be, and things will heal in time. Hope to see you around again someday soon, Labber.
Quote from undertoad
Well, he's not welcome here now.
(I say this not in an official capacity, he surely isn't banned, but if he posts I for one will tell him what a massive dickhole he's being)
The only thing that I asked was that she be honest when she sent things to people and not hide it and then I wouldnt mind it. But LookOUt and steve had to keep pushing to get private pics so she did and the she lied about sending them said she didnt do it. So if I am being the dick hole if so let the cards lay where they are at at least I am a honest dickhole.
As someone who was not affected in any way by the NSFW pictures, all I can say is that I'll miss you Leah. You've been very kind to me both on the forum and via PM and especially supportive of my efforts to lose weight and tone up. You've been a calm and humourous presence in all the time I've been posting here.
Big Red I understand your anger. But we'll all miss the woman, not the booty.
Good luck, you two, we'll miss you :(
Good luck, you two, we'll miss you :(
Ditto. I wish you both the best, and hope you both come back.
Ditto. I wish you both the best, and hope you both come back.
*nods*
Never say never.
Red, I hope you can forgive Labrat for her indiscretion and find your faith in her again so you feel confident enough to allow her to post here again.
I personally will miss her. She is one of the nicest people on this forum and rarely has a bad thing to say about anyone. I'm sure you know what a special person she is. You're married to her and there's a reason why you are...many of them I'm sure.
Maybe you could read the thread where she talks about why she posts those sorts of pics and it might help you understand a bit better...and maybe it'd be helpful if others didn't prey on that need so much, but you have a beautiful wife.
We all love her pictures.
I think most of us value her words more though.
Well. That truly sucks.
I hope you all work it out. In the end I hope that you remember that in what will eventually be 60+ years of marriage, this is all pretty ephemeral.
Of course, when Lab is 80, she might be logging in and searching for those pics.
Glory days.
BTW, as far as the thread that Ali mentioned, in the larger context, there is
this thread where I asked that question of everyone.
talk about control issues, tony.
Regrettable all round.
I hope Big Red and Labrat can reconcile fully. Best wishes for you both.
(and in 60 years, I reckon Red will be searching for those pics, not Labrat!)
...and I disagree with what UT and LJ have said. This isn't about the pictures, it's about the promises.
Meh. I just don't get the connection. I get the dishonesty issue....i just don't understand the leap that lets red ground labrat from the cellar as a whole. maybe it's labrat's decision to separate herself from the temptation....
....shutting up now....
OK am unshutting up.....
seems to me like it's labber's choice to leave teh cellar. seems like she promised Red she wouldn't post/pm NSFW pics without his knowledge/agreement, then broke that promise. seems she loves him a whole lot but is enchanted by us too, so when we asked for more she gave into temptation (privately), and then regretted it because she knew she let Red down. So she 'fessed up and decided that -at least for now- she needs to completely remove temptation.
WTG Labber. Red, you rock too. We'd love you both to come back when you've worked it out.
In the meanwhile, Red, feel free to post revenge pics ;)
I poured the water for my gal's shots, and took the pics, and cropped them, when she decided to put them out there wet.
We can't hang, red. That's just how I feel about it. I know there was a promise there. But I'm not sure why there had to be one, definitely can't see how this result makes it any better.
I just don't think it's a big deal. Guess what, this is the internet, tits and ass and dick of every shape and size are two clicks away. We all have 'em too. And by the way, you can keep lookout and steve the fuck out of it. They didn't do shit. They have nothing to do with it, that's all just part of your weird thing. Do you think they did it to make her a lust object, because I don't think that's how it works. I admire the women who have the guts and the bod to show it, and how secure they feel with themselves, but for me at least, the pics never become fap material. To me, it's like, hey my friend showed me her tits, or whatever -- that doesn't mean I want to whack off to my friend, hey? She's my friend, to me it's not like that.
It's all just pictures. It's no big deal. And another thing, we're in the 21st century now and men don't control the shit out of their women. And let me ask you this -- if you put up a dick pic would there be a big deal at your household?
he did put up a dick pic... well actually, labber put it up.....
:lol:
I have a sinking feeling that *I* was the mistake.
God, I hope not!
I was going to post a picture of us when we met, but maybe I'll wait a bit.
Couples have rules. They may appear to be liberal and freewheeling to outsiders, yet still have boundaries. Lab is owning her end of things and doing what is right...protecting her marriage.
The Cellar is not a smut site. We are friends and even family, of a sort. As such, our first concern must always be for mutual respect and positive outcomes of our interactions. I am as guilty as anyone of encouraging generous Cellar ladies to share their pulchritude, but in no case would I *ever* want my own desires to cause any sort of problem in anyone's real life, ever.
That said, I seriously doubt that SD or anyone else was encouraging Labrat to do something that would cause trouble in her marriage. Not knowingly.
The *one* thing that sets The Cellar apart from every other online community I've ever known is the essential respect and true caring between most of us. Anything that brings that into question or peril is wrong, and must be avoided.
So - don't hammer on Red. His wife, his relationship, their mutual rules. We are secondary to that, as should be.
I would like to think that Red and Labber will settle their issue, and that we will see them *both* again soon, because they are important to us.
um waitamin were these private pics sent as private messages and whatnot
it wasn't clear, have to reconsider
Shame there are problems, hope they get resolved well.
um waitamin were these private pics sent as private messages and whatnot
it wasn't clear, have to reconsider
I noticed that right off the bat. A whole 'nuther kettle of fish.
I say we leave it to Red and Labrat to work out. Only they know what's best. And
both of them have the
full support of the Cellar.
This is the nature of the Cellar. Leave when you must. Return when you can.
They're good people that love each other a heap, they'll work it out and live happily ever after. Hopefully they'll find away to share their happiness with us.
As usual, The Elder Statesman of the Cellar (Bruce for the noobs) pretty much nails it.
No one wants Labrat to leave but, as LabRat has demonstrated by example, sacrifices must be made. Hopefully, they will be temporary.
I'd like to echo the last few posts. None of us should be railing against Red here. This is their business. They have their own set of rules like any couple does.
I'd love to see both of them here again. But whatever they decide, they should know we support and respect that.
I would like to make one last comet I appreciate the respect of some and the bashing of others the ones that bash they can f--- off .but when I found out that my wife was sending close up pics of her puss to lookout and others and he sending his dick picutres back to her and then find out that they were having internet and phone sex together I said I was done and leaving are marriage this was her choice not my demand. so thank you to sum and F-c- off to others.
and look out you are about to find out what this hell feels like, the internet is a bitch your right you can find where any body lives and work and your wife is about to find out about your indercresions to all pm emails and pics. so hopefully you can collect her mail in the salon before she does.
I am a nice guy until I get shit on the I become the most vindictive son of a bitch. or what undertoad and jim think a DICK HOLE
TMI, big red. UT already said that he was reconsidering his earlier bashing. We didn't need to know the rest of it. I doubt labbers wanted you to post the intimate details of what was going on. That is why she was so obscure about it herself. Only one person was really bashing you for it, and that was UT who said he was reconsidering.
You can ask the mods to remove that post. I would if I were you, if for no other reason except for to keep from embarrasing labbers more than she probably already is.
I believe this has now become a Hands-Off zone and we all should just STFU about all of it.
(zips own mouth and wishes the best for all concerned)
What Bri said.
Good luck to Lab and Red. I'll miss you.
yeah sorry man whole nother kettle of fish. peace out.
Sorry for the confusion. I was asked to explain to you what I did, but was too brief.
Red is in *no way* at fault here. I am, 100%. Support him, he deserves it, not me. I am the one who broke promises and lied. Please, be mad at me, call me names, then learn from my collosal fuck up.
Like I said in RichLevy's thread, it was fun to hear praise from others besides just my husband. I gave me a high. I ended up taking it too far and had an inappropriate email exhange (including sending explicit pictures) with another dwellar behind my husband's back. He found out about it and asked me to stay out of the cellar and never to talk to him again. I agreed. Eventually I was able to come back here and participate again.
Unfortunately, I couldn't resist the temptation and ended up breaking the promise I made and had another series of emails and pic exchanges (not phone sex) with that same dwellar. So, like an alcoholic who can't trust herself to be able to maintain control, I need to stop going where the temptation is.
I hate myself right now for allowing this to happen a second time. I mean, jesus, really? Instead of communicating with my husband about things that were bothering me so that we could work on them, I went outside my marrage. I can't begin to describe the self-loathing I have right now. The one thing I value above all else is honesty, and here I am, the biggest hypocrite in the universe.
I got my priorities all screwed up, and ended up crushing the one person in my life whom I am supposed to put above all others. Not to mention what kind of message am I sending to my daughter... I am nothing but a stupid whore.
I fucked up my life, hopefully someone can learn from this and not do the same to theirs. I beg everyone's forgiveness, although I deserve none.
FWIW - I've fucked up worse than that in my life, so no judgements here.
Just love for you, hoping you can find some peace with yourself and your husband.
Good luck with this and everything in the future if I don't hear from you again.
Wow. Missed this. Labrat you will be greatly missed. Thanks for the Vodka.
Sorry to hear this , You guys be well
One good thing to come from a crisis situation is often the energy needed for change. My wish for the two of you is that you both come out of this stronger and wiser for having gone through it, whether that is together or separately.
Peace and good luck.
Sorry again Red, my confusion.
Whenever I decide to be a dick about something it never works out. I need to take being a dick lessons from LJ or something.
I need to take being a dick lessons from LJ or something.
There's worse things than sucking at being a dick.
Sheldoners in 3... 2... :D
Sorry again Red, my confusion.
Whenever I decide to be a dick about something it never works out. I need to take being a dick lessons from LJ or something.
We all need to read for comprehension. :(
Good luck to all of you concerned in this mess. I hope somehow you're all able to work through the problem and come out the other side better off.
My thoughts are with you.
What Ali said, I got a kick out of having you both around.
Thinking of you both.
Good luck to both you and your husband Lab. Im sorry this happened to you but you are an incredible person and will be able to work this out. Looks to me like Red is fighting for you.
Any chance Red will be banned soon.... or is fucking with people's real lives ok now?
Any chance Red will be banned soon.... or is fucking with people's real lives ok now?
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and my life isnt real a
Well, this thread was quite a shock.
Red, I don't know what is happening on your end of things so I can't speak to that. I offer you my public apology for my role in your pain. I also offer to speak with you in private about this. If you want to scream and yell and call me every name in the book, that's fine. If you want to hear what did and did not happen, that's fine too.
To the rest of the cellar, I apologize for the tension which has obviously swept in over this. As with all things in the cellar, this too shall pass. I see no value in banning Red from the cellar although I certainly hope the mods would see fit to remove personal identifying info if it continues to be posted.
Can we unban Big Red and just delete posts as appropriate?
I spoke with Red this morning. He was an absolute gentleman on the phone.
I'm glad about that, Lookout.
If the other gentleman involved feels Red is not threatening, I will unban. Otherwise, it's not appropriate here.
I would like to publicly apologize for things I did that caused pain to Red and anything I did to damage Red and LR's relationship. I am truly remorseful for them.
I also regret that I did not offer such an apology in private before today. I have kept my mouth shut in this thread because I did not feel any public comment was appropriate. I still don't think so, and I almost didn't post this, but I felt at this point I had to say something.
Having said that, it was extremely wrong of me not to make contact in private, and I truly regret I did not do so over the weekend.
As to banning or unbanning, I never asked for Red to be banned and I have no problem with him being unbanned.
I don't know LabRat. I don't know Red. (in my mind's eye, it's Red from 'That '70's Show') But, I do know this: If LabRat is happy w/Red dictating where she can and can't go on the internet, hell, I'm happy with it. I'm happy for both of them.
So long LabRat, we hardly knew ye.
As for the rest of you Cellarites, you're a bad influence. (And all your naked/naughty pics should be headlined "ATTN GRAVDIGR".) (PM me if you like)
:nadkick:<---Red
[SIZE="1"]sigh[/SIZE], Gravdigr, go back and read for comprehension.
Man. I missed a couple of days and come back to this. :mecry:
Lab has been a positive influence in the cellar for many years now. I understand and support her in what she needs to do, but she will be missed.
I would like to apologize that I had to bring the rest of the cellar into this mess I do not come here very often except when labrat was here. I had no right to be bashing your friends in front of everybody but it hurt bad and none of you would no how bad until it happens to you. I appreciate the two gentlemen coming forward and making a public and private apology even though I am still very angry I can respect you as men.
As for UT and Lumber Jim you guys were quick to hit the ban button so if want you can hit it again. Because I will be picking up what is left of my life and be moving on.
If there is one thing that I learned in this whole mess is. If I am going to perform an action I need to ask myself are my actions going to hurt some one else and if so should I continue those actions.
keep my name out of your mouth, fool
I honestly wish you and LabRat the best, and hope you both come back someday when you are ready.
I also hope you both view this incident as a challenge to overcome rather than an excuse to throw everything away. You appear to be willing to jump into a fight over this incident. I don't know if you are fighting for yourself, or fighting for LabRat, or fighting for the relationship. But I hope for your family you work through it with her.
Good luck.
There's worse things than sucking at being a dick.
Sheldoners in 3... 2... :D
Why is it whenever someone mentions dick, they think of me?
Oh, wait a minute... Never mind.
Why is it whenever someone mentions dick, they think of me?
Oh, wait a minute... Never mind.
Dang, I just realized I misspelled your name. Sorry about that. :blush:
I understand both sides of this story all too well. :( I wish them both the best and hope they can work it out.
Wow... all this is such a shocker... I'm sorry that it has impacted the involved parties to the degree that it has. I hope they are able to work past it and forgive themselves and eachother.
Why is it whenever someone mentions dick, they think of me?
Oh, wait a minute... Never mind.
if it's any consolation we actually think of LJ first, and
then we wait for you to come.
so to speak.
[SIZE="1"]sigh[/SIZE], Gravdigr, go back and read for comprehension.
I
thought I comprehended. Perhaps I didn't. In any case it's really none of my business, I don't know why I chimed in in the first place.
Anyway, it sounds like I may deserve a nad-kick. I'm not above it...:nadkick:<---Me
"Like sands through the hourglass...So go the Days Of Our Lives"