It's all up to Franken now!

Sheldonrs • Apr 28, 2009 2:23 pm
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/04/28/20090428specter.html

Specter says he's switching from GOP to Dems

April. 28, 2009 09:09 AM
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania disclosed plans Tuesday to switch parties, a move intended to boost his chances of winning re-election next year that also will push Democrats within one seat of a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.

"I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans," Specter said in a statement posted on a Web site devoted to Pennsylvania politics and confirmed by his office. Several Senate officials said a formal announcement was expected later in the day or Wednesday.

President Barack Obama called Specter almost immediately after he was informed of the decision to say the Democratic Party was "thrilled to have you," according to a White House official.
Specter, 79 and in his fifth term, is one of a handful of Republican moderates remaining in Congress in a party now dominated by conservatives. Several officials said secret talks that preceded his decision reached into the White House, involving both Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden, a longtime colleague in the Senate. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell as well as Democratic leaders in Congress also were involved, added the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose details.

With Specter, Democrats would have 59 Senate seats. Democrat Al Franken is ahead in a marathon recount in Minnesota, and if he ultimately wins his race against Republican Norm Coleman, he would become the party's 60th vote. That is the number needed to overcome a filibuster.

Specter faced an extraordinarily difficult re-election challenge in his home state in 2010, having first to confront a challenge from his right in the Republican primary before pivoting to a general election campaign against a Democrat in a state that has trended increasingly Democratic in recent elections.

He has publicly acknowledged in recent months that in order to win a sixth term, he would need the support of thousands of Pennsylvania Republicans who sided with Obama in last fall's presidential election.

"I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said in the statement.

Asked by a reporter what he had to say to his constituents, Specter replied with a smile, "I don't have to say anything to them. They said it to me."

In Pennsylvania, the chairman of the state Republican Party, Rob Gleason, said that Specter should offer a refund to Republicans who have helped fatten his war chest, which totaled $5.8 million at the end of 2008. "He should give them the option," Gleason said.

Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said in a statement: "Some in the Republican Party are happy about this. I am not. Let's be honest: Senator Specter didn't leave the GOP based on principles of any kind. He left to further his personal political interests because he knew that he was going to lose a Republican primary due to his left-wing voting record. Republicans look forward to beating Sen. Specter in 2010, assuming the Democrats don't do it first."

Specter has long been one of the most durable politicians of either party in Pennsylvania. In recent years, he has battled Hodgkin's disease, a cancer of the lymphatic system, but maintains a busy schedule that includes daily games of squash.

As one of the most senior Republicans in the Senate, Specter held powerful positions on the Judiciary and Appropriations committees. It was not clear how Democrats would calculate his seniority in assigning committee perches.

Specter has long been an independent Republican, and he proved it most recently when he became one of only three members of the GOP in Congress to vote for Obama's economic stimulus legislation.

As recently as late winter, he was asked by a reporter why he had not taken Democrats up on past offers to switch parties.

"Because I am a Republican," he said at the time.

"I welcome Sen. Specter and his moderate voice to our diverse caucus," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said in a statement.

A senior White House official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because no announcement has yet been made, said at 10:25 a.m. EDT Tuesday President Barack Obama was handed a note while in the Oval Office during his daily economic briefing. The note said: "Specter is announcing he is changing parties." At 10:32, Obama reached Specter by phone and told him "you have my full support" and that the Democratic Party is "thrilled to have you."
glatt • Apr 28, 2009 2:52 pm
Very interesting. I predict the Franken recount will be dragged out even longer by the national Republican party now.
Spexxvet • Apr 28, 2009 3:19 pm
It's about time! I'm a Democrat, and have voted for Spcter every election because his views are mostly in line with mine.
classicman • Apr 28, 2009 3:50 pm
Very interesting indeed. Spector has been left leaning for a long time, but took shelter in the comfort of the GOP. Noe that the R's are in complete disarray he finally jumps ship. I wonder if he got some financial support from the D's and a few other "assurances."
He has $5+ million to work with - the vast majority of which was from Republican donors. He has also offered to give it back if they want it.
Interesting indeed.
Jill • Apr 28, 2009 4:28 pm
I think this is great news for the country. It would have been nice if Specter could have helped lead his former party away from the disaster they've become, but he'll be a welcome moderate voice inside the Democratic Party to help us avoid a similar fate.

Welcome, Senator Specter.
Undertoad • Apr 28, 2009 7:17 pm
I voted for Specter, and this is a self-fulfilling destiny for the Republican Party, who systematically drove him out by turning hard right. This state was going to elect any Democrat rather than Specter primary candidate Pat Toomey, and it will elect Specter as a Democrat over Toomey in 2010. The hard-liners are saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out!" and so they fail to learn any hard lessons from this.
wolf • Apr 28, 2009 7:23 pm
"I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate," he said in the statement.


Does anybody else find this statement scary?

At least he's now properly labelled.
Redux • Apr 28, 2009 7:26 pm
Undertoad;561178 wrote:
I voted for Specter, and this is a self-fulfilling destiny for the Republican Party, who systematically drove him out by turning hard right. This state was going to elect any Democrat rather than Specter primary candidate Pat Toomey, and it will elect Specter as a Democrat over Toomey in 2010. The hard-liners are saying "don't let the door hit you on the way out!" and so they fail to learn any hard lessons from this.

The Republican Party tent is getting smaller and smaller and most within the party dont seem to mind, preferring to maintain a rigid ideological test over electability.

Most recently they blew a chanced to win back a House seat in a red district with the special election in upstate NY by running the most right wing candidate, who lost to a moderate Democrat.

Who is leading this sinking ship?
tw • Apr 28, 2009 8:43 pm
Redux;561180 wrote:
Who is leading this sinking ship?
Rush Limbaugh. Newt Gingrich and Pat Buchanan have both taken stabs at trying to get control of the party. But the extremists are even too right wing for them.

When is the final court decision expect?
TGRR • Apr 28, 2009 10:13 pm
This is hardly surprising. The GOP has been throwing a constant tantrum since 2006 - worse after 2008 - and are now attacking their own, should anyone stray from the fold in the slightest.

Steele's comments about Specter are a precise example of this.
TheMercenary • Apr 28, 2009 10:26 pm
Go Arlen!
tw • Apr 29, 2009 12:24 am
Undertoad;561178 wrote:
This state was going to elect any Democrat rather than Specter primary candidate Pat Toomey, and it will elect Specter as a Democrat over Toomey in 2010.
Unfortunately that says much about the voters. Too many now vote party lines rather than see the whats and whys that make a good politician. Moderates (such as this author who is independent) cannot vote for Specter (or anyone else) in primary elections. Therefore those who are Specter's greatest supporters cannot help him.

Arlen Specter is a conservative moderate. So close to being a centrist as to be hated by the Republican party's right wing power brokers.

Those outside America have no appreciation of how many times Arlen Specter stood up against efforts to pervert the American Constitution. He has done so by making stands against members of both parties. He did this at great political risk because he put America ahead of the Republican party. So the Republican party hates him. A good Republican is expected to put the party agenda first; American principles second. In the Senate, few have done more to promote America and protect Constitutional guarantees even when it risks his political career.

The man is a thinker first, party member second. He will probably be just as ornery as a Democrat. Good is to remind both parties who they are supposed to work for.
ZenGum • Apr 29, 2009 1:44 am
Specter??? That's spooky. He doesn't stand a ghost of a chance, but I admire his spirit.
Trilby • Apr 29, 2009 9:51 am
ZenGum;561273 wrote:
Specter??? That's spooky. He doesn't stand a ghost of a chance, but I admire his spirit.


yoinked to HOF.
classicman • Apr 29, 2009 10:35 am
Single Bullet Theory
Apollo • Apr 30, 2009 3:16 pm
Question: Does "the magic number" of 60 really mean anything? I never thought that filibusters were common occurrences anymore. Is there any other benefit of having 60 seats? It seems like the Dems are already controlling most of the legislation as it is...
Redux • Apr 30, 2009 5:52 pm
Apollo;561669 wrote:
Question: Does "the magic number" of 60 really mean anything? I never thought that filibusters were common occurrences anymore. Is there any other benefit of having 60 seats? It seems like the Dems are already controlling most of the legislation as it is...

The Republicans set a record number cloture votes last session of Congress ...more than doubling any previous Congress.
Nearly 1 in 6 roll-call votes in the Senate this year have been cloture votes. If this pace of blocking legislation continues, this 110th Congress will be on track to roughly triple the previous record number of cloture votes — 58 each in the two Congresses from 1999-2002, according to the Senate Historical Office.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/18218.html

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I think the final count last session was over 110.

And this was with a Republican in the White House with veto power.

At one time, not too long ago, filibusters were used primarily to block controversial judicial appointments and/or sweeping legislative initiatives that seriously divided the country. For the Republicans now in the minority, it has become routine to force a vote to cut-off debate.

It is not illegal or unethical....just hypocritical on the part of Republicans, particularly when it thwarts the will of a more than narrow will of the American people.

Yes it matters.
Sheldonrs • Apr 30, 2009 5:54 pm
Apollo;561669 wrote:
Question: Does "the magic number" of 60 really mean anything? I never thought that filibusters were common occurrences anymore. Is there any other benefit of having 60 seats? It seems like the Dems are already controlling most of the legislation as it is...


It's important in that, if the democrats want to pass a bill in the senate, they can do it no matter if every republican is against it. And the repubs can't filibuster (which happens a lot) to block the vote.

Of course, all this is assuming that the Dems all vote together too.
Apollo • Apr 30, 2009 7:17 pm
I see, I see. Yeah I always knew that the magic number blocked filibusters, so obviously it would be significant. My real question was whether anybody uses filibusters anymore, which Redux pretty much answered for me.

I had no idea that there that many cloture votes!
tw • May 1, 2009 12:00 am
Apollo;561727 wrote:
I see, I see. Yeah I always knew that the magic number blocked filibusters, so obviously it would be significant. My real question was whether anybody uses filibusters anymore, which Redux pretty much answered for me.
Taking the same problem from another level. Republican party has a serious internal problem. It has no leader. It has too many members entrenched in political agendas. Infighting has become so heated as to drive many (especially moderate Republicans) out and to alienate the troops. As a result, the party is not able to compromise with Democrats. That is the worst situations for anyone who is more interested in America. The deadlock and infighting makes it impossible for moderate Democrats, Republicans, and those of independent stature to solve any problems. Any Republican who even looks like he has compromised with a Democrat is beaten and destroyed by what is now a raging mob.

Two ways around this. First Republicans find someone with leadership abilities. Or Democrats get sufficient votes to quash any filibuster. The latter situation would force Republicans to settle their differences, find a leader, and start working for America. Which means cooperating with Democrats again.

A politican must eventually decide whether he works for America or for party extremists. This exclusive OR condition applies to both parties.
sugarpop • May 1, 2009 2:02 am
wolf;561179 wrote:
Does anybody else find this statement scary?

At least he's now properly labelled.


wolf, what he meant by that statement is, the Republican Party has been backing hard right wing candidates in rebublican primaries against moderate incumbants. The moderate incumbant ends up losing to the hard right candidate, but then the republicans lose in the general election because the candidates are too extreme and people vote for the democrat. It makes no sense. They are giving up seats in order to "purify the party." They were backing another candidate against Specter in the upcoming primaries in 2010. Arlen Specter wasn't willing to just let his seat go. (Primaries never have the number of people voting as the general elections.) In the general election against an extreme candidate he will probably be able to hold on to his seat as a democrat.
Spexxvet • May 1, 2009 3:24 pm
Apollo;561669 wrote:
... Is there any other benefit of having 60 seats? ...


The Democrats get to leave early on Fridays, and get an extra serving of ice cream at lunch.:D
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 7:48 am
sugarpop;561832 wrote:
Arlen Specter wasn't willing to just let his seat go.
Because it is about his desire to hang on to power and not losing his job. And for no other reason.
Undertoad • May 2, 2009 8:30 am
The Club for "Growth" ran an unelectable candidate against him in the primary.

The party pushed him out and said good riddance and did a little dance afterwards.

It's exactly what the Ds did to Lieberman. Nobody ever learns.
Redux • May 2, 2009 9:12 am
TheMercenary;562093 wrote:
Because it is about his desire to hang on to power and not losing his job. And for no other reason.

Maybe he learned that from Richard Shelby, the Senator from Alabama who switched from D to R in the 90s for fear of losing his reelection.
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 12:15 pm
Redux;562123 wrote:
Maybe he learned that from Richard Shelby, the Senator from Alabama who switched from D to R in the 90s for fear of losing his reelection.


Maybe he just took a page from his own history instead:

After graduating from Yale Law School, Specter opened a law practice, Specter & Katz, with Marvin Katz, who is now a Federal District Court Judge in Philadelphia. Specter became an assistant district attorney under District Attorney James Crumlish, and was a Democrat.

In 1965, Specter ran for District Attorney, on the Republican ticket as a registered Democrat. He handily beat incumbent Jim Crumlish, and subsequently changed his registration to Republican.


It is all about him wanting to stay in the Senate and keep the power in his hands.
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 12:17 pm
Undertoad;562101 wrote:
The Club for "Growth" ran an unelectable candidate against him in the primary.

The party pushed him out and said good riddance and did a little dance afterwards.

It's exactly what the Ds did to Lieberman. Nobody ever learns.


It would have been more interesting if he had just become an Independent. Then he could truely say no one owned him and he owed no one. But of course he would never be bank rolled in a re-elections like the Dems can do for him.
TGRR • May 2, 2009 1:30 pm
TheMercenary;562190 wrote:
Maybe he just took a page from his own history instead:



It is all about him wanting to stay in the Senate and keep the power in his hands.


Okay.

And now you're down a senator. If Franken makes it, you can't even filibuster. Obama can appoint anyone he likes.

But you've established ideological purity. Congratulations.
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 1:31 pm
TGRR;562209 wrote:
Okay.

And now you're down a senator. If Franken makes it, you can't even filibuster. Obama can appoint anyone he likes.

But you've established ideological purity. Congratulations.
WTF are you talking about. I'm not down shit. The Republickins are down one the Demoncrats are up one. :lol2:
TGRR • May 2, 2009 1:37 pm
TheMercenary;562210 wrote:
WTF are you talking about. I'm not down shit. The Republickins are down one the Demoncrats are up one. :lol2:


Of course. Because you're "independent". :lol:

Even though you spend all your time defending Bush and his policies.
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 1:38 pm
TGRR;562214 wrote:
Of course. Because you're "independent". :lol:

Even though you spend all your time defending Bush and his policies.


Who said I was "independent"?
TGRR • May 2, 2009 2:29 pm
TheMercenary;562215 wrote:
Who said I was "independent"?


You did. Or tried to.
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 2:31 pm
TGRR;562226 wrote:
You did. Or tried to.


Where? Link it.
TGRR • May 2, 2009 2:37 pm
TheMercenary;562228 wrote:
Where? Link it.


Naw, I'm not going digging.

Instead, I'll just ask you...you say you aren't a republican, I seriously doubt you're a dem...and now you aren't an independent. What are you?
xoxoxoBruce • May 2, 2009 2:39 pm
Your deepest secret fear. ;)
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 2:39 pm
TGRR;562232 wrote:
Naw, I'm not going digging.

Instead, I'll just ask you...you say you aren't a republican, I seriously doubt you're a dem...and now you aren't an independent. What are you?

None of your fucking business, but it is fun watching you dig yourself a hole as you try to figure me out. Have fun!
TGRR • May 2, 2009 3:00 pm
TheMercenary;562234 wrote:
None of your fucking business, but it is fun watching you dig yourself a hole as you try to figure me out. Have fun!


It's okay if you're afraid to state your beliefs. Most of the sissies are.

TGRR,
Would rather just laugh at your weak ass.
TGRR • May 2, 2009 3:00 pm
xoxoxoBruce;562233 wrote:
Your deepest secret fear. ;)


What? An internet "conservative" that hasn't got the courage of his convictions?

Boo, scary, kids!

:3eye:
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 3:05 pm
TGRR;562239 wrote:
What? An internet "conservative" that hasn't got the courage of his convictions?

Boo, scary, kids!

:3eye:

You never said anything about conservative. I am conservative on some issues. You said Republickin a few times, you said Independent this last time, and as usual you are talking out of your ass making assumptions about people. You have no idea WTF you are talking about. Again. :lol2:
TGRR • May 2, 2009 3:38 pm
TheMercenary;562240 wrote:
You never said anything about conservative. I am conservative on some issues. You said Republickin a few times, you said Independent this last time, and as usual you are talking out of your ass making assumptions about people. You have no idea WTF you are talking about. Again. :lol2:


And you're too afraid to say it, Nancy. :3eye:
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 3:48 pm
I am absolutely crushed. :rotflol: :moon:
TGRR • May 2, 2009 3:50 pm
TheMercenary;562263 wrote:
I am absolutely crushed. :rotflol: :moon:



Who cares? I only give a damn about vertebrates.
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 3:51 pm
TGRR;562266 wrote:
Who cares?

You. It must piss you off when people don't do what you want them to do. :D
TGRR • May 2, 2009 3:52 pm
TheMercenary;562269 wrote:
You. It must piss you off when people don't do what you want them to do. :D


Why do you lie so much, Mercenary? Were you raised wrong?
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 3:54 pm
TGRR;562270 wrote:
Why do you lie so much, Mercenary? Were you raised wrong?
Are you tw's twin?:p
TGRR • May 2, 2009 4:04 pm
TheMercenary;562272 wrote:
Are you tw's twin?:p


Are you an idiot?
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 4:06 pm
TGRR;562281 wrote:
Are you an idiot?

You win! I will put you on my special Christmas List. See ya. Ignored.
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 4:12 pm
Top 10 Al Franken Quotes
02/26/2007


Ranked by HUMAN EVENTS Assistant Editor Amanda B. Carpenter

Liberal humorist and former Air America radio host Al Franken recently announced his candidacy for the Minnesota Democratic Senate nomination to challenge Republican Sen. Norm Coleman. His comments show him to be a proud representative of the hard-working, leftist wing of his base inspired by the likes of Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan and most recently, anti-Catholic hyper-blogger Amanda Marcotte.

10. I'm Al Franken. I hate you, and you hate me.



-- How Franken said he introduced himself to Karl Rove, Newsweek, March 29, 2004

9. I'm a bit of a shill for the Clinton Administration, which has its perks. I’m invited to all the inaugural balls.

-- Buffalo News, April 7, 1998

8. When I was first asked to speak at Hartford State Technical College, I jumped at the opportunity. Because, you see, I thought I had been asked to speak at Harvard, which would have been quite an honor. But instead, I am here with you, the nation’s future air conditioner repairmen.

-- Excerpt from the commencement address he gave to a technical college, Oh the Things I Know!, pp. 6-7

7. Making jokes about Terri Schiavo is one of the hardest things I've had to do as a humorist.

-- The Truth (With Jokes) p. 159

6. Nobody likes getting an abortion. Except, perhaps, rape victims.

-- The Truth (With Jokes) p. 124

5. If I put myself on the ballot and even 50 people voted for me, it'd be a travesty.

-- Interview with the Oregonian, Feb. 22, 1999

4. During Vietnam, I was in college, enjoying my student deferment. The government wisely felt that, in my case, military service was less important than completing my studies to prepare me for my chosen career: comedian.

-- The Truth (With Jokes), p. 97

3. I'm neutral in this race but I'm for freedom of speech, which means people should be able to assemble and speak without being shouted down.

-- After tackling heckler at DNC Event where Howard Dean was speaking, New York Post, Jan. 27, 2004

2. Minnesota Republican Norman Coleman is one of the administration's leading butt boys.

-- The Truth (With Jokes) p. 262

1. Republicans are shameless d**ks. No, that’s not fair. Republican politicians are shameless d**ks.

-- The Truth (With Jokes) p. 58


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19560
TheMercenary • May 2, 2009 4:15 pm
TGRR! I found your pillow!

http://homedecor.cafepress.com/al-franken-quote_pillows
TGRR • May 3, 2009 12:25 am
TheMercenary;562282 wrote:
You win! I will put you on my special Christmas List. See ya. Ignored.


Is that all it took? :biglaugha

TGRR,
Should have done this weeks ago.
TGRR • May 3, 2009 12:25 am
TheMercenary;562285 wrote:
TGRR! I found your pillow!

http://homedecor.cafepress.com/al-franken-quote_pillows


So much for you ignoring me. :lol:
slang • May 3, 2009 4:19 am
wolf;561179 wrote:
At least he's now properly labelled.



And speaking of rinos, might Senator McCain join in on this change action? One can only hope.
classicman • May 4, 2009 11:58 pm
Sen. Arlen Specter went on CBS News' "Face The Nation" with Bob Schieffer on Sunday to discuss his recent switch to the Democratic Party.

Asked whether he believed that he had let people down by changing parties, Specter said issues like Republican attitudes towards cancer research had made him unhappy with the party. Specter went on to suggest that if Republicans had been more aggressive about cancer research, GOP luminary Jack Kemp would be alive today. The former GOP Congressman and vice-presidential nominee died over the weekend, at age 73, from cancer.


What an asshole. That is just plain wrong. He switched parties to stay in power - plain & simple.
TGRR • May 5, 2009 12:22 am
classicman;562873 wrote:
What an asshole. That is just plain wrong. He switched parties to stay in power - plain & simple.


So what? It's not like he's the first one to do it.
classicman • May 6, 2009 2:43 pm
Ahhh, Karma ...

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The Democratic leader in the Senate promised Sen. Arlen Specter he would retain his seniority when he jumped from the Republican to the Democratic party, Specter told CNN Wednesday, but faced "pushback" from other Democratic senators.

On Tuesday the Senate confirmed that Specter had lost his seniority in a resolution that set out committee assignments for the entire Senate. The resolution was approved on a unanimous voice vote.

The full Senate voted Tuesday to strip Specter of his seniority, dropping him to the bottom of the pile on every committee he sits on.

The action came on a resolution — passed on a unanimous voice vote — that set out committee assignments for the entire Senate.
classicman • May 6, 2009 2:52 pm
Ohhh I just found Spectors reply...

“Senator Reid assured me that I would keep my committee assignments and that I would have the same seniority as if I had been elected as a Democrat in 1980. It was understood that the issue of subcommittee chairmanships would not be decided until after the 2010 election. Some members of the caucus have raised concerns about my seniority, so the caucus will vote on my seniority at the same time subcommittee chairmanships are confirmed after the 2010 election. I am confident my seniority will be maintained under the arrangement I worked out with Senator Reid. I am eager to continue my work with my colleagues on the various committees on which I serve and will continue to be a staunch and effective advocate for Pennsylvania’s and the Nation’s priorities.”


Uh, nope - apparently his colleagues choose not to give it to him.
Oh well. Guess thats the price he'll have to pay for the switch.
TheMercenary • May 6, 2009 3:52 pm
That is a frigging hoot.
sugarpop • May 6, 2009 6:28 pm
TheMercenary;562093 wrote:
Because it is about his desire to hang on to power and not losing his job. And for no other reason.


Can you name ONE politician for which it isn't about that?
sugarpop • May 6, 2009 6:32 pm
TGRR;562209 wrote:
Okay.

And now you're down a senator. If Franken makes it, you can't even filibuster. Obama can appoint anyone he likes.

But you've established ideological purity. Congratulations.


That is assuming all democrats will vote accordingly, and they have proven they won't. The bluedog democrats are siding with republicans.

Personally, I hope a couple of progressive (NOT moderate) democrats decide to challenge him, if he doesn't support at least the main things Obama wants passed, like health care and energy.
sugarpop • May 6, 2009 6:38 pm
classicman;563284 wrote:
Ohhh I just found Spectors reply...



Uh, nope - apparently his colleagues choose not to give it to him.
Oh well. Guess thats the price he'll have to pay for the switch.


Was it because he has voted against things he probably shouldn't have? I remember hearing about this, but I don't remember why they voted him out. :scratching head:
classicman • May 6, 2009 7:04 pm
Cuz they got what they wanted, Spector as a D. Then Harry Reid reneged on the deal. I'm sure it was all a misunderstanding.
TheMercenary • May 6, 2009 8:10 pm
sugarpop;563354 wrote:
Can you name ONE politician for which it isn't about that?
Anyone who did not switch parties and stand on priniple, right or left, Demoncrat or Republickin, because the popularity of them being re-elected under the umbrella of that party was futile.
TGRR • May 6, 2009 11:12 pm
classicman;563284 wrote:
Ohhh I just found Spectors reply...



Uh, nope - apparently his colleagues choose not to give it to him.
Oh well. Guess thats the price he'll have to pay for the switch.


What a chump. Trusting Harry Reid? LOL.
TheMercenary • May 7, 2009 10:28 am
Interesting commentary:

A series of odd incidents that have proceeded from Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter's party switch last week have raised questions about whether the newest Democrat has permanently damaged himself in the eyes of the state's voters.

The White House is concerned enough about the developments that deputy chief of staff Jim Messina and Ron Klain, a senior adviser to Vice President Biden, traveled to Capitol Hill on Wednesday and huddled with Specter to try to iron out the problems, according to informed Democratic officials.

Those problems -- in brief:

• Specter pronounced that he would be keeping his seniority when he announced his party switch last week -- maintaining that his ability to deliver for the state would not be diminished in any way shape or form by his move across the aisle. Except, that wasn't exactly right. The Senate's approval of Specter's junior status on a series of committees led to a "he said, he said" between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and the newest member of his caucus. Asked about the back and forth by CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday, Reid stood his ground saying simply: "He is a person who's been in the Senate since 1980. I think he should be able to handle himself."

• In a sitdown with the New York Times' Deborah Solomon, Specter said he was hoping that the Minnesota courts would do "justice" and declare former Republican Sen. Norm Coleman the winner in the contested 2008 election. Whoops! Specter tried to walk the comment back told Reid that he briefly "forgot what team I was on."

• Specter has done little to back off his initial assertion that his decision to switch parties was based almost entirely on political calculations and had little to do with ideology. While most party switchers are almost certainly guided by personal political concerns (what politician isn't?), most don't come right out and say it because it is a turnoff for voters who want to believe that their politicians believe in, well, something.

For Pennsylvania voters -- especially Democratic primary voters -- this triptych of recent events is likely to be deeply troubling.

"His actions over this past week have done nothing to curry favors with either party," said Penny Lee, a former senior adviser to Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell (D) and now a Democratic consultant. "He needs to show some willingness to be a Democrat."

Another Democratic strategist who follows Senate races closely was more blunt about the damage Specter has done to himself over the last week. "Do you think that any right-minded local Democratic elected official is going to stick his neck out for Arlen?" the source asked rhetorically. "Or any member of the Democratic Senate caucus?"

Even those Democrats who believe that Specter has done himself no real long-term electoral harm with his actions over the past week don't exactly give him rave reviews. "The pride swallowing can't be easy but he had no choice if he wants to get reelected, and he was honest about that," said one senior Democratic strategist.

Despite all of that criticism, Specter still has a number of things going for him heading into next year -- most importantly the support of an exceedingly popular president who commands massive loyalty particularly among the Democratic base and a campaign war chest bulging with nearly $7 million.

And, average voters are not likely to be following every jot and tittle of the Specter saga -- especially so far from an election. Still, insiders are paying very close attention and, if Specter's stumbles over the past week encourage Rep. Joe Sestak to run in the primary, then the damage will have been done.

What once looked like a huge coup for the White House -- and from a governing standpoint remains one assuming Al Franken eventually wins in Minnesota -- has quickly morphed into a gigantic political headache that almost no one saw coming.

Politics is great, ain't it?


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/cheat-sheet/050709white-house-cheat-sheet.html
classicman • May 7, 2009 12:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v6zwg8SAsY

Spector on party switching.
TheMercenary • May 7, 2009 9:44 pm
Maybe he can make coffee for Reid. LOL!.