A New World Order

A United Nations document on "climate change" that will be distributed to a major environmental conclave next week envisions a huge reordering of the world economy, likely involving trillions of dollars in wealth transfer, millions of job losses and gains, new taxes, industrial relocations, new tariffs and subsidies, and complicated payments for greenhouse gas abatement schemes and carbon taxes — all under the supervision of the world body.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510937,00.html

TheMercenary;550055 wrote:

A United Nations document on "climate change" that will be distributed to a major environmental conclave next week envisions a:
1) huge reordering of the world economy, likely involving
2) trillions of dollars in wealth transfer,
3) millions of job losses and gains,
4) new taxes, industrial relocations,
5) new tariffs and subsidies, and
6) complicated payments for greenhouse gas abatement and
7)carbon taxes —
all under the supervision of the world body.

Which of these hasn't already happened?

classicman;550106 wrote:

Which of these hasn't already happened?

8)all under the supervision of the world body.

Even if Obama supports the final version of this new accord (and he hasnt yet), it's passage in Congress is highly unlikely.

Like the Kyoto accord, US probably wont sign it.

Thank God. But it is only a matter of time.

TheMercenary;550111 wrote:

8)all under the supervision of the world body.

In your delusional dreams. :tinfoil:

I've used up my outrage quota for this year.

Well, hang on... I'll give it one more try...

[SIZE=1]Grrr[/SIZE]

Yep, all out.

Well, I for one really think we need to get this under control, and the United States is the worst offender.

I know President Obama is getting a lot of flak for the cap and trade part of the budget. Energy companies have come out and said they will pass any fines onto their customers. Now, is it RIGHT for a company to have their customers pay for fines they get for practicing bad business? I think NOT. IF it passes, and I have a feeling that part might not, but IF it does, it should be written in that energy plants have to eat that, and CANNOT pass it on to their customers. After all, they have been fighting this for years.

sugarpop;550518 wrote:

the United States is the worst offender.

orly?

It wouldn't be if you'd eating that broccoli. :fart:

sugarpop;550518 wrote:

Well, I for one really think we need to get this under control, and the United States is the worst offender.

I know President Obama is getting a lot of flak for the cap and trade part of the budget. Energy companies have come out and said they will pass any fines onto their customers. Now, is it RIGHT for a company to have their customers pay for fines they get for practicing bad business? I think NOT. IF it passes, and I have a feeling that part might not, but IF it does, it should be written in that energy plants have to eat that, and CANNOT pass it on to their customers. After all, they have been fighting this for years.

I think cap and trade is a fantasy system trading on nothingness. Just like the BS of "carbon footprint".

classicman;550621 wrote:

orly?

orly!

The US is number one in the world in anthropogenic CO2 emissions...unless China has passed us in the last year.

TheMercenary;550644 wrote:

I think cap and trade is a fantasy system trading on nothingness. Just like the BS of "carbon footprint".

Cap and trade worked pretty well in the US for reducing sulphur dioxide and nitrous oxide emissions as part of the phase-out of leaded gas and CFCs.

IMO, for CO2, a straight carbon tax would be better, but politically unacceptable.

Redux;550711 wrote:

The US is number one in the world in anthropogenic CO2 emissions...unless China has passed us in the last year.

These statistics are rapidly dated due to huge recent growth of emissions in Asia. The United States is the 10th largest emitter of carbon dioxide emissions per capita as of 2004.[1] According to preliminary estimates, since 2006 China has had a higher total emission due to its much larger population and an increase of emissions from power generation.[

The beauty of statistics - you get to see what you want.

classicman;550769 wrote:

The beauty of statistics - you get to see what you want.

I wouldnt be surprised if China surpassed the US in 2006...but I dont think any official stats to that effect are available yet.

So we are now probably number two...and both the US and China are millions of metric tons above any other country....which IMO means we both should be taking the lead on reducing emissions, but as a US citizen, I cant have much impact on China (well, maybe boycott "made in china" products)

The per capita emissions is interesting...US - #10, China - #91...but not as relevant to me, particularly since the top nine countries are so small, their impact is neglible.

I'm more concerned about total metric tons and what we can do to lower ours....not because of the still debatable impact on climate change, but because IMO, its good public policy to lower greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally and economically sustainable manner.

Much like the environmental programs of the 70s - clean water act, safe drinking water act, solid waste disposal act, toxic materials disposal act, and clean air act (which Bush rolled back to some extent)....,all were beneficial and despite all the industry dire warnings at the time, there were little or no adverse economic impacts...and in fact, they stimulated the development of cleaner technologies.

Redux;550773 wrote:

...which IMO means we both should be taking the lead on reducing emissions...

Not if it costs us billions while China can continue to chug along and build a new coal fired plant each week with no controls.

TheMercenary;550785 wrote:

Not if it costs us billions while China can continue to chug along and build a new coal fired plant each week with no controls.

Oh, so because they aren't willing to clean up their act, we shouldn't do it either? That is just dumb.

TheMercenary;550785 wrote:

Not if it costs us billions while China can continue to chug along and build a new coal fired plant each week with no controls.

Maybe you forget which nation embarrassed the United States by advocating all nations (including themselves) conform to principles in the Koyoto Treaty? China. TheMercenary forgot to mention that major embarrassment when the US was the only nation in that international conference opposed to addressing global warming.

Well the days when America operates with contempt for the world is (hopefully) over.

sugarpop;550868 wrote:

Oh, so because they aren't willing to clean up their act, we shouldn't do it either? That is just dumb.

No, because it will continue to place a massive economic burden to make the changes while China and India have no controls or requirements and they can grow without the same cost. It is a great plan, if you are China and India. For the US, not so much.

Canadians find vast computer spy network: report
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Canadian researchers have uncovered a vast electronic spying operation that infiltrated computers and stole documents from government and private offices around the world, including those of the Dalai Lama, The New York Times reported on Saturday.

In a report provided to the newspaper, a team from the Munk Center for International Studies in Toronto said at least 1,295 computers in 103 countries had been breached in less than two years by the spy system, which it dubbed GhostNet.

Embassies, foreign ministries, government offices and the Dalai Lama's Tibetan exile centers in India, Brussels, London and New York were among those infiltrated, said the researchers, who have detected computer espionage in the past.

They found no evidence U.S. government offices were breached.

The researchers concluded that computers based almost exclusively in China were responsible for the intrusions, although they stopped short of saying the Chinese government was involved in the system, which they described as still active.

"We're a bit more careful about it, knowing the nuance of what happens in the subterranean realms," said Ronald Deibert, a member of the Munk research group, based at the University of Toronto.

"This could well be the CIA or the Russians. It's a murky realm that we're lifting the lid on."

Continues.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090328/ts_nm/us_security_spying_computers

Wasn't there a thread about Chinese hackers last year or so?
One article I read said that spam had a lot to do with this too. I can't find it now, but any of you IT guys have any input on this? How can they control my computer remotely?

That is a pretty scary thought. They supposedly hacked into sensitive areas and were able to listen remotely or use the camera to see the room. Makes you seriously consider what you should leave attached to the puter when you are not using it. But of course I just turn mine off.

yes, that is very scary.

No it's not. We all look the same to them, so it doesn't matter.

Front page of Cnn.com

Creeping up on us

Kinda like the cow's heading toward the slaughterhouse...They never know they are heading there, they just keep following the cow in front of them.:(

ZenGum;552137 wrote:

No it's not. We all look the same to them, so it doesn't matter.

There is no 'them.' We have hackers combing through Chinese, Russian and Iranian servers as well. So them, as it turns out, is everybody. Which is as it has been for as long as anyone can remember.

Of course, you won't see a story in the Chinese, Russian or Iranian media about a major infiltration by US-led hackers. While this gives one the impression that we (the US) are getting our asses handed to us while we sit on our government butts eating jelly donuts, nothing could be further from the truth.

We can only see one side of the scoreboard. The game, in all likelihood, is either tied or with at most a marginal and ever-changing lead.

Beestie;552203 wrote:

There is no 'them.' We have hackers combing through Chinese, Russian and Iranian servers as well. So them, as it turns out, is everybody.

Which is how the intelligence community silenced all the hype and fear from the George Jr administration. They were reading memos from Iranian scientists on the uranium enrichment program. These scientists were often discussing how the mullahs were subverting the program due to perceived stupidity. Suddenly Iran did not have any bomb grade material because even the US government subverts computers.

Under the new powers of Fatherland Security and secret presidential findings, how much government is now legally tapping your computer? You also cannot be trusted. You too can be a sleeper cell.

Originally Posted by tw
Responsible bonuses. Nobody gets them until four to ten years later when the spread sheets actually report an employee’s real achievements.

Cite an example of that please. What industry has employees wait up to a decade for their pay?

Originally Posted by tw
According to classicman – retention bonuses because he (Wagoner)was doing so much good for GM.

False. Please CITE ONE TIME where I said anything about Wagoner deserving bonuses - Post anything to corroborate another of your blatant LIES. If not post an public apology and correction on the board. I have put up with you and your attacks for too long. It stops now. Either make your point with facts or STFU.

classicman;552700 wrote:

Cite an example of that please. What industry has employees wait up to a decade for their pay?

It's pretty common for high rollers to defer compensation or get delayed stock options, so they will collect after their income level drops for tax purposes, or to get a bigger deal by waiting to collect.
Of course we're talking people that make seven figures yearly to begin with. :whofart:
Actually, employer's matching funds in a 401k is pretty much the same deal.

classicman;552700 wrote:

Cite an example of that please. What industry has employees wait up to a decade for their pay?

Its not pay. Its a bonus. If you wanted to be intelligent, you would have known that.

If bonus is merit pay, then the pay should be determined when the merit is actually realized - four or ten years later. Is that too complicated for a wacko extremist? Probably.

tw;552901 wrote:

Its not pay. Its a bonus. If you wanted to be intelligent, you would have known that.
If bonus is merit pay, then the pay should be determined when the merit is actually realized - four or ten years later. Is that too complicated for a wacko extremist? Probably.

This post contradicts what tw has posted earlier. Care to try again and either put-up or man-up and apologize.
Oh Whats the matter Tommy boy? Have to try to attack my intelligence now? You will lose terribly on that account as well. Try another or......

Please CITE ONE TIME where I said anything about Wagoner deserving bonuses - Post anything to corroborate another of tw's blatant LIES. If not post an public apology and correction on the board. I have put up with you and your attacks for too long. It stops now. Either make your point with facts or STFU.

classicman;553060 wrote:

This post contradicts what tw has posted earlier.

No. I only attacks your intelligence. You keep misplacing it - wacko.

classicman;553060 wrote:

This post contradicts what tw has posted earlier. Care to try again and either put-up or man-up and apologize.
Oh Whats the matter Tommy boy? Have to try to attack my intelligence now? You will lose terribly on that account as well. Try another or......

Just put him on ignore and be done with it.

classicman;553060 wrote:

This post contradicts what tw has posted earlier. Care to try again and either put-up or man-up and apologize.
Oh Whats the matter Tommy boy? Have to try to attack my intelligence now? You will lose terribly on that account as well. Try another or......
Please CITE ONE TIME where I said anything about Wagoner deserving bonuses - Post anything to corroborate another of tw's blatant LIES. If not post an public apology and correction on the board. I have put up with you and your attacks for too long. It stops now. Either make your point with facts or STFU.

Its been over a week - no cite, no retraction.

tw;553140 wrote:

No. I only attacks your intelligence. You keep misplacing it - I'm a wacko.

Nice grammar there big boy - lol

Oh and that proves yet again that tw attacks the poster, not the post.
Yet again another contradiction of tw's. How typical.

TheMercenary;553195 wrote:

Just put him on ignore and be done with it.

Yeh, thats what he wants though. So his drivel can go unchallenged. I guess I'll again have to take the high road and not get drawn into his petty crap.

Note: tw has not substantiated his lie nor retracted his post.
Goes to show a lot about his character.

The cost of going digital? And they want to put all our medical records in a central digital format?

Some one want our place in the World Order:

Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated By Spies

WASHINGTON -- Cyberspies have penetrated the U.S. electrical grid and left behind software programs that could be used to disrupt the system, according to current and former national-security officials.

The spies came from China, Russia and other countries, these officials said, and were believed to be on a mission to navigate the U.S. electrical system and its controls. The intruders haven't sought to damage the power grid or other key infrastructure, but officials warned they could try during a crisis or war.

"The Chinese have attempted to map our infrastructure, such as the electrical grid," said a senior intelligence official. "So have the Russians."

The espionage appeared pervasive across the U.S. and doesn't target a particular company or region, said a former Department of Homeland Security official. "There are intrusions, and they are growing," the former official said, referring to electrical systems. "There were a lot last year."

Many of the intrusions were detected not by the companies in charge of the infrastructure but by U.S. intelligence agencies, officials said. Intelligence officials worry about cyber attackers taking control of electrical facilities, a nuclear power plant or financial networks via the Internet.

Authorities investigating the intrusions have found software tools left behind that could be used to destroy infrastructure components, the senior intelligence official said. He added, "If we go to war with them, they will try to turn them on."

Officials said water, sewage and other infrastructure systems also were at risk.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123914805204099085.html

Ha.

The U.S. electrical grid comprises three separate electric networks, covering the East, the West and Texas.

Ha, ha, ha. Because Texas is it's own region of the US. :)

TheMercenary;553880 wrote:

The cost of going digital? And they want to put all our medical records in a central digital format?

Some one want our place in the World Order:

Electricity Grid in U.S. Penetrated By Spies

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123914805204099085.html

What do you suggest?

Not making significant investment in a national broadband network and infrastructure, while the rest of the industrialized world is more aggressively moving ahead with such plans?

Redux;553989 wrote:

What do you suggest?

Security of our infrastructure is a must and digital is the most efficient and organized method. We just need to make sure that it stays safe or our entire country is fucked. And by fucked, I mean full out riots because electricity, water, waste water, and maybe food will be disrupted.

Any smart terrorist or opposing country that really wants to attack the United States might do something with this.

Chavez in China Touts
'New World Order'

BEIJING --Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said his two-day visit to Beijing this week is part of the creation of a "new world order."

The frequent U.S. critic told reporters that power in the world is shifting from America to countries such as Iran, Japan and China.

"We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world," Mr. Chavez said on arriving in China the evening before a scheduled Wednesday meeting with China's president and Communist Party leader Hu Jintao.

"The unipolar world has collapsed. The power of the U.S. empire has collapsed," he said. "Everyday, the new poles of world power are becoming stronger. Beijing, Tokyo, Tehran .. It's moving toward the East and toward the South."

Mr. Chavez has made Beijing a frequent stop in his global travels to promote his agenda of anti-American world unity, stopping in the Chinese capital no less than six times since rising to power in 1998 elections.

His visit follows a sweep through the Middle East last week, including a stop in Iran where he said that he has little hope of better relations with Washington under President Barack Obama because the United States was still acting like an "empire" in his eyes.

Gotta watch yer back too.

MAYBE we need to develop a better operating system that isn't so easily hacked.

I wonder... Do these same issues happen in Europe and Autralia and other countries, with viruses and hackers and phishers? Do they use different software in other countries?

piercehawkeye45;554200 wrote:

Security of our infrastructure is a must and digital is the most efficient and organized method. We just need to make sure that it stays safe or our entire country is fucked. And by fucked, I mean full out riots because electricity, water, waste water, and maybe food will be disrupted.

Any smart terrorist or opposing country that really wants to attack the United States might do something with this.

Oh, nice going... now you've gone and told them.
If the terrorists do this, I'm gonna kick your traitorous ass. :lol2:

That was classified? Whoops.

I always thought that blackout that occured shortly after 911 was a cyber attack.

And the oil rigs catching fire.

:tinfoil:

:D I knew someone would say that.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get ya. ;)

sugarpop;555009 wrote:

:D I knew someone would say that.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get ya. ;)

"They" are. We just aren't sure who the "they" is yet. :p

We know who "they" are, but we aren't telling.

The New World Order's ObamaNation

Matt Taibbi has written an important article in this month's Rolling Stone magazine. In it he explains to the reader, in laymen's terms, just what happened, how it happened, and who benefited from the massive taxpayer bailouts of Wall Street's biggest firms. But, most importantly, he hits the nail on the head by saying that the Republic is officially dead (and we do hear the dirge) -- there is no more pretense that we live in a democracy under the rule of law, because now the lawless ones have "officially" taken over the apparatus of the state and given us the finger in the process. Yes, as Taibbi's says: "We are royally fucked." Congress is now a collection of rubber stampers, and the people -- Wall Street slaves.

In an article written by John Horne for 9/11review.org we read:

American International Group, Inc. (AIG), The Blackstone Group L. P. and Kissinger Associates Inc. announced the establishment of a new venture to provide financial advisory services to corporations seeking high-level independent strategic advice. […] The venture will operate globally and will take advantage of the existing relationships between the partners:

- AIG has an ownership interest in Blackstone and is an investor in several of Blackstone's private equity funds;

- AIG and Blackstone have a joint venture, specializing in restructuring and M&A (mergers and acquisitions) advisory services in selected Asian countries;

- Henry Kissinger chairs both AIG's International Advisory Board and the advisory boards of several AIG-sponsored Infrastructure Funds.

Kissinger Associates, by John Horne

Is our New World Order jigsaw puzzle beginning to take shape now? Oh, but it gets better...

Timmy's father, Peter Geithner, fits in miraculously to the mix as he was is a former top official of the Ford Foundation (a NWO front group) who knew Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham-Soetoro, when she was working on “microfinance” programs in Indonesia. Indeed, the elite travel in a very small circles.

The puzzle begins to take shape further when we see how our Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, and her hubby, Bill, are "life-long friends"with Thomas F. (Mack) McLarty, III, who joined Kissinger Associates, Inc. to form Kissinger McLarty Associates in 1992.

According to Wikipedia: Kissinger Associates (McLarty left the firm in January 2008 to start his own company) specialty is in "assisting its clientele in identifying strategic partners and investment opportunities, and advises clients on government relations throughout the world. It was established in July, 1982 after loans had been secured from Goldman Sachs and a consortium of three other banks."

So, the puzzle is becoming clear with anyone with eyes to see. With a good chunk of the bailout money going to Kissinger-affiliated firms like A.I.G., JPMorgan Chase, and Goldman Sachs; and with the recent reshuffling of strategic partners (bye-bye Bear Stearns and Lehman Bros, plus the many community banks that have been taken over or shut down because they bought into the toxic mortgage schemes); and with the new investment opportunities that Geithner is now promising Wall Street firms, we see what the financial crisis really is -- a well-structure M&A (merging and acquisition) project of the United States of America, which follows perfectly Kissinger Associates, Inc. strategic goals.

The government will now be taking all its marching orders straight from the central banking- NWO elite as declared by Obama's new National Security Adviser, Jim Jones, speaking at CFR function:

:tinfoil: ???

classicman;556154 wrote:

:tinfoil:

Kissinger = Illuminati :tinfoil:

Chinese spies may have put chips in US planes
17 Apr 2009, 0041 hrs IST, PTI



WASHINGTON: The Chinese cyber spies have penetrated so deep into the US system — ranging from its secure defence network, banking system, electricity grid to putting spy chips into its defence planes — that it can cause serious damage to the US any time, a top US official on counter-intelligence has said.

“Chinese penetrations of unclassified DoD networks have also been widely reported. Those are more sophisticated, though hardly state of the art,” said National Counterintelligence Executive, Joel Brenner, at the Austin University Texas last week, according to a transcript made available on Wednesday.

Listing out some of the examples of Chinese cyber spy penetration, he said: “We’re also seeing counterfeit routers and chips, and some of those chips have made their way into US military fighter aircraft.. You don’t sneak counterfeit chips into another nation’s aircraft to steal data. When it’s done intentionally, it’s done to degrade systems, or to have the ability to do so at a time of one’s choosing.”

Referring to the Chinese networks penetrating the cyber grids, he said: “Do I worry about those grids, and about air traffic control systems, water supply systems, and so on? You bet I do. America’s networks are being mapped. There has also been experience of both Chinese and criminal network operations in the networks of some of the banks”.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Chinese-spies-put-chips-in-US-planes/articleshow/4412075.cms

I am beginning to think the Chinese penetration of our security is far wider and deeper than anyone thought.

some of those chips have made their way into US military fighter aircraft

With the help of greedy individuals trying to make an extra buck at our nation's expense? :eyebrow: