Ammo Registration Bill

TheMercenary • Mar 1, 2009 6:27 pm
Here is comes folks. Dems can't get the guns, they are going after the ammo.

http://www.usavsus.info/US-AmmoRegistr.htm
Flint • Mar 1, 2009 7:42 pm
Would they know if we were reloading shotgun shells? I'm just sayin' ...
Aliantha • Mar 1, 2009 7:43 pm
You still have to buy the powder and the shot though.
Flint • Mar 1, 2009 7:45 pm
Hmmm... well if rednecks can cook nine kinds of speed I'm sure they could make gunpowder.
Aliantha • Mar 1, 2009 7:48 pm
Yeah...that's true. In fact one of my cousins used to make gunpowder out of charcole and baking powder and something else. Can't remember what now.

You'd still need to get the shot though.
Flint • Mar 1, 2009 7:57 pm
What exactly are the technical specifications for bits of metal scrap designed to blow holes through soft flesh?
Aliantha • Mar 1, 2009 7:59 pm
I dunno. Round balls. I suppose you could just use little bearings.

I guess when it all comes down to it, there's ways around the system if you're keen, and some people will be.

I think most will probably just register their ammo though.
bluecuracao • Mar 1, 2009 8:08 pm
Aliantha;540037 wrote:
Yeah...that's true. In fact one of my cousins used to make gunpowder out of charcole and baking powder and something else. Can't remember what now.

You'd still need to get the shot though.


Sulphur? That's what Spock and Kirk used in one episode.
capnhowdy • Mar 1, 2009 8:16 pm
Glad I have case upon case of 7.62.
Fuck w/ a Marine.
TheMercenary • Mar 1, 2009 8:33 pm
Look at the market. There is no 7.62x39 on the market. Everyone bought it up. The little that can be found is over priced.
classicman • Mar 1, 2009 10:57 pm
After the ammo, they will try to start closing the loopholes for those that make their own ammo or refill shells. This seems like just the beginning. They'll start making the shot and the powder less available or try taxing the heck out of it as well to steer people into buying the coded ammo.
monster • Mar 2, 2009 12:50 am
Are more innocent people or more felons killed by guns wielded by civilians?
(not a leading/loaded question, just curiosity if figures are known....)
BrianR • Mar 2, 2009 2:28 am
The NRA estimates that a gun is used two million times annually to prevent some type of crime. Many of these incidents are not reported so the statistics tend to be skewed downward. I can find no meaningful numbers for innocent people injured by guns that aren't cooked obviously. I'll keep looking though.
TheMercenary • Mar 2, 2009 8:13 am
monster;540194 wrote:
Are more innocent people or more felons killed by guns wielded by civilians?
(not a leading/loaded question, just curiosity if figures are known....)


I think you would be hard pressed to find unbiased reports. How often they are used to thwart crime would be hard to quantify as well. I suspect more felons kill each other with guns then civilians do and that is not a bad thing.
capnhowdy • Mar 2, 2009 8:31 am
If I were the Gov, I wouldn't have given everybody a 2 year warning. The criminals will be well stocked by then, and I will be also.
I wonder how they propose to stop the 'other' countries from manufacturing/selling unregistered ammo?
Like turning water into wine.
TheMercenary • Mar 2, 2009 8:38 am
There is so much ammo around. Most of the guys I know who are into it are buying as much as they can afford.
classicman • Mar 2, 2009 10:52 am
capnhowdy;540254 wrote:
I wonder how they propose to stop the 'other' countries from manufacturing/selling unregistered ammo?


Nother reason to get that wall going. ;)
richlevy • Mar 2, 2009 11:31 am
I'm waiting for the Snopes to come out on this http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ammunition.asp. Currently - undetermined.

A little light research shows that these acts were introduced in many states and all failed in 2008.

The status quo in the Southern United States is intact - guns and ammo are lightly regulated and sex toys are illegal.:right:
Redux • Mar 2, 2009 12:08 pm
I do have to laugh how conservatives are all for states rights except when it might impact their guns.

If the citizens in states want it and it is not counter to constitutional guarantees..they should applaud a state asserting its rights.
TheMercenary • Mar 2, 2009 12:22 pm
I can see your point. Sort of like the gay marriage issue in Calif that all the libs where jumping on as an issue?
Redux • Mar 2, 2009 12:30 pm
TheMercenary;540323 wrote:
I can see your point. Sort of like the gay marriage issue in Calif that all the libs where jumping on as an issue?


Yep...very much the same in one respect.

The difference?

States rights has been a mantra of the conservatives since Reagan brought it back to life and made it popular again in the 80s.
lumberjim • Mar 2, 2009 1:14 pm
the day they take away your ammo is the day you buy your first laser gun.
ZenGum • Mar 2, 2009 6:35 pm
I figure Canadian bootleggers are planning their first shipments already.
BrianR • Mar 4, 2009 3:07 pm
I'm working on my first light saber as we speak!
Elspode • Mar 4, 2009 7:34 pm
What I will never get is why the fact that the vast majority of crimes are committed with unregistered or otherwise illegally possessed guns is always totally ignored? All any of these efforts ever focus on is hindering law abiding people, and they have zero effect on those who are criminals to begin with.
Urbane Guerrilla • Mar 4, 2009 7:40 pm
Strike the idea down as a necessary precondition to an episode of genocide, and make the sponsors face recall elections. Then make them face more recall elections. Antigun people DO NOT AND NEVER CAN DESERVE POWER. These people are your own personal enemies, whether you recognize it or not -- their successes will kill your descendants. That's genocide's record.
capnhowdy • Mar 4, 2009 8:48 pm
Yup
It's getting to the point where "The right to bear arms" means wearing a tank top.
Someone should invent a personal 'force field'.
JuancoRocks • Mar 5, 2009 1:05 am
Register ammo?.....Only register the traverse & elevation on the Browning.

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Lock & Load....then reload....

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JuancoRocks • Mar 5, 2009 1:10 am
Getting ready for the Big Sandy Shoot...

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TheMercenary • Mar 5, 2009 9:56 pm
Damm! wish I could go.
Urbane Guerrilla • Mar 30, 2009 3:13 am
richlevy;540308 wrote:

The status quo in the Southern United States is intact - guns and ammo are lightly regulated and sex toys are illegal.:right:


So if you're going to cave anybody's head in with a 14" dildo, watch it!:neutral:
TheMercenary • Mar 30, 2009 7:45 am
UG, it is just sterotyping, guns and ammo are highly regulated and sex toys can be purchased anywhere.
Bullitt • Mar 30, 2009 8:16 pm
I'd really like to buy an M1 Garand this summer (to shoot semi frequently not as a collector's item), but have heard that .30-06 ammunition is fairly scarce and relatively expensive. Is this true in your experiences?
TheMercenary • Mar 30, 2009 8:46 pm
Well, I think know for a fact that gun purchasing is WAY up and there was a huge spike right before Obama was sworn in. I think that it has all gone down a bit but it remains higher than usual. Now ammo is another area that has really taken a hit. IMHO a bigger hit than new gun purchases. You cannot find 7.62x39 anywhere and if you do it is twice what it cost in Nov 08. The thing about .30-06 is that it remains a hunting round so you will always get it but it will cost. And for plinking surplus or bulk ammo is much cheaper.

Look at page one and then slip to page 5 and after where the cheaper ammo was sold.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=543&pagenumber=1

A thousand rounds of 7.62x39 use to be $200, now here it is $499.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SearchResults.aspx?site=Ammunition&num=10&q=7.62x39

Why? Ammunition Accountability Act

http://gunowners.org/hr45ana.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ammunition.asp
sugarpop • Mar 30, 2009 8:54 pm
TheMercenary;550997 wrote:
UG, it is just sterotyping, guns and ammo are highly regulated and sex toys can be purchased anywhere.


Yes, we have what, 4 different stores in town that sell sex toys. :D yea us.
capnhowdy • Mar 30, 2009 9:11 pm
There was one on Skidaway Rd. when I lived there 20 yrs ago.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 31, 2009 4:08 am
Americans do not have a fundamental right to sexual privacy, a 2-1 decision of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said on Wednesday.

The split panel upheld an Alabama law -- nearly identical to one in Georgia -- that made the sale of sex toys a crime punishable by up to a year in prison.


She then went back to confront an unimpressed but entirely pleasant store owner who tried to explain to Ms. Crone all the different places on your body you can use a vibrator (the one’s not prohibited by law in Mississippi).


Obscenity law 43.23 states that a person is guilty of an offense if said person promotes or possesses with the intent to sell any obscene material or obscene device. Not all dildos, vibrators and other objects used for sex play are deemed obscene. Only those objects resembling the male or female genitalia are illegal sale items in Texas.


A sex toy ban has already happened in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas. South Carolina could be next on that list.
TheMercenary • Mar 31, 2009 4:21 am
I don't know where you get your information from but your last source is incorrect. There is no sex toy ban in Georgia, which automatically makes the rest of the information suspect.
classicman • Mar 31, 2009 9:59 am
From the link

(Statewide) May 19, 2006 - A sex toy ban has already happened in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas. South Carolina could be next on that list.
glatt • Mar 31, 2009 10:32 am
I've tried to research this on the web, and it's confusing. There are lots of news references to the Georgia Ban, but nothing that gives you the actual law. The closest I could find that links to the actual law is a legal article saying the law had been overturned in 2006 in This That and the Other Gift v. Cobb County, Ga., No. 04-16419 (11th Cir. Feb. 15, 2006.)

And from the ruling in that case:

A. Georgia’s Obscenity Statute
As emphasized by the defendants’ brief, the Georgia legislature enacted
O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80 with the “main purpose” of “advanc[ing] the government’s
interest in promoting public morality.” Toward that end, § 16-12-80 regulates the
distribution of obscene material, in relevant part, as follows:
(a) A person commits the offense of distributing obscene material
when he sells, lends, rents, leases, gives, advertises, publishes,
exhibits, or otherwise disseminates to any person any obscene
material of any description . . . .
. . .
(c) Any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation
of human genital organs is obscene material under this Code section.

. . .
(e) It is an affirmative defense under this Code section that dissemination of
the material was restricted to:
(1) A person associated with an institution of higher learning,
either as a member of the faculty or a matriculated student,
teaching or pursuing a course of study related to such material;
or
(2) A person whose receipt of such material was authorized in
writing by a licensed medical practitioner or psychiatrist.
O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80.


Maybe they passed a new one.
TheMercenary • Mar 31, 2009 11:54 am
Let me clear this up for everybody. Sugarpop and I live in GA. I have lived here in 2 different cities since 1994. There never was and never has been a ban on the sale of sex toys of any kind since I have lived here and currently. The information is incorrect. Capiche?

I can't speak for the other states listed. Only for GA.
glatt • Mar 31, 2009 12:59 pm
TheMercenary;551518 wrote:
There never was and never has been a ban on the sale of sex toys of any kind since I have lived here and currently. The information is incorrect. Capiche?


There's a difference between there being a ban, and the ban being enforced.

I just quoted the law for you. It was on the books. O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80
TheMercenary • Mar 31, 2009 1:08 pm
glatt;551553 wrote:
There's a difference between there being a ban, and the ban being enforced.

I just quoted the law for you. It was on the books. O.C.G.A. § 16-12-80

I don't know. I do hear what you are saying. As conservative and right as this bible beating state can be at times I find it hard to believe that an issue like this would not be enforced if it was current. Maybe it was overturned some place.

a very quick search finds this:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1143120308045

http://www.metrospirit.com/index.php?cat=11010902071522487&ShowArticle_ID=11022910083496451
Redux • Mar 31, 2009 1:15 pm
Coweta County, GA enacted a new ordinance this year.

The obscenity ordinance prohibits sale or distribution of obscenity, and prohibits anyone from “knowingly” selling, or possessing with the intent to sell, “any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs.”

The county’s old ordinance specifically exempted condoms from being considered as a stimulation device. The new ordinance makes no such distinction, and would appear to apply to items such as ribbed condoms and various lubricants marketed as having a “warming” or “tingling” sensation....

A violation is punishable by up to six months in jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000.

http://www.times-herald.com/Local/Coweta-passes-tighter-obscenity-ordinance-646015
TheMercenary • Mar 31, 2009 1:17 pm
It will be an ongoing process of people making local ordinances and business owners getting a stay or injunction while appealing to the courts. I guess that is the way it is suppose to work. In the mean time all of the things are still readily available. But you know we still have a few dry counties in GA.
glatt • Mar 31, 2009 1:19 pm
TheMercenary;551557 wrote:

a very quick search finds this:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1143120308045



I posted that link like 4 posts above. It backs up what I'm telling you.

There was a law on the books as recently as 3 years ago, but a court overturned it. Don't know if there is a new state law, but some counties are passing their own laws.

I'm not supposed to use my firm's search services for personal use, so I can't look it up on Lexis-Nexis.
TheMercenary • Mar 31, 2009 1:20 pm
glatt;551568 wrote:
I posted that link like 4 posts above. It backs up what I'm telling you.

There was a law on the books as recently as 3 years ago, but a court overturned it. Don't know if there is a new state law, but some counties are passing their own laws.

I'm not supposed to use my firm's search services for personal use, so I can't look it up on Lexis-Nexis.

Oops, sorry.
capnhowdy • Mar 31, 2009 8:37 pm
There's a store in this relatively small town. I noticed that they term them "face" or "body" massagers. Never dildo or sex toy.

But right down from those is "Eve's Pussy". Right down from that are the...[winkwink] "postal scales" and the [winkwink] "plumbing screens.

Maybe it's how they present/market the products. Never saw a sign that read 'dildo store'.
ZenGum • Apr 1, 2009 12:51 am
Best thread drift ever!

I have heard about various dildo bans in the bible belt states. I always thought you could contest it under the "pursuit of happiness" clause of the Declaration.

If that fails, try it as the "pursuit of a-penis".
sweetwater • Apr 3, 2009 7:27 am
ZenGum;551882 wrote:
Best thread drift ever!

I have heard about various dildo bans in the bible belt states. I always thought you could contest it under the "pursuit of happiness" clause of the Declaration.

If that fails, try it as the "pursuit of a-penis".


And forever after, I will automatically revise "pursuit of happiness" in my thoughts, and hope I don't say it out loud in front of, for example, my mother. :D
Urbane Guerrilla • Apr 11, 2009 12:27 am
Dry county... no lube.

Ooooof.
JuancoRocks • Apr 12, 2009 1:05 am
I know to some, a gun is supposed to be a phallic symbol (Anything that's longer than it's wide [Melanie Safka]) but I never imagined that a discussion on ammo would morph into a dildo/sex toy use, banning, whatever.

BTTT..(Merc, you shoulda' been there) I had a great time at the Big Sandy Shoot and expended more than my share of increasingly disappearing ammunition...

a few shots..
Happiness Is A Warm Gun...1919 A-4....MG42 AA Tripod
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Night Shoot With Fireworks:eek:
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Blood On The Bullets....Wear gloves next time..;)
(Yes those are tracers during the day)
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Range Safety Officer - Not To Be Taken Lightly:D
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A good time was had by all. There were more paid spectators than I have seen in the last 4 years.

Back to the loading bench for the fall shoot....
Urbane Guerrilla • Apr 12, 2009 4:36 am
More just plain common sense.
Audrey5 • Apr 12, 2009 5:45 am
You still have to buy the powder and the shot though.

You are what you think
TheMercenary • Apr 12, 2009 11:07 am
I believe they plan to tag powder.
JuancoRocks • Apr 12, 2009 2:28 pm
TheMercenary;555541 wrote:
I believe they plan to tag powder.


There have been attempts to produce a tagging element for smokeless powders in the past. More pure idiocy from our elected officials. :headshake

Smokeless powder has very limited use other than for cartridges. It does not explode, just causes a rapidly increased burning rate.Black powder on the other hand, does explode.
TheMercenary • Apr 12, 2009 2:31 pm
I don't know enough about re-loading, could they tag black powder too?
TheMercenary • Apr 18, 2009 11:29 am
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capnhowdy • Apr 19, 2009 8:55 am
This link takes me to Yahoo Mail. Am I not doing something right?
TheMercenary • Apr 19, 2009 10:10 am
Forget the above link. Try this one.

Ted Nugent on the Second Amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo
capnhowdy • Apr 19, 2009 11:03 am
Thanx
TheMercenary • Apr 20, 2009 7:45 pm
9th Circuit incorporates Second Amendment!

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m4d20-Ninth-Circuit-incorporates-Second-Amendment

We therefore conclude that the right to keep and bear arms is “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.” Colonial revolutionaries, the Founders, and a host of commentators and lawmakers living during the first one hundred years of the Republic all insisted on the fundamental nature of the right. It has long been regarded as the “true palladium of liberty.” Colonists relied on it to assert and to win their independence, and the victorious Union sought to prevent a recalcitrant South from abridging it less than a century later. The crucial role this deeply rooted right has played in our birth and history compels us to recognize that it is indeed fundamental, that it is necessary to the Anglo-American conception of ordered liberty that we have inherited.