Hot Dog Related Stuff

Radar • Mar 1, 2009 3:27 am
I've been doing all kinds of research on the hot dog business lately. There was a TON of stuff I didn't know and I've been learning a lot.

I never knew people in the south put slaw on their dogs. I didn't know Chili dogs came from Cincinnati or that their chili has chocolate in it. There's terminology associated when buying food from distributors, etc.

I'm excited. This is really going to happen.

Right now I'm learning a lot about the paperwork, accounting, business structures, tax ids, the different ways you can use the cart to make money with the cart depending on your business model, the health codes, permits, licenses, temperatures, procedures, best locations, ways to make the health inspector happy, ways to avoid being hassled by cops, etc.

There are a number of books out there about this business. I got 2. I'm also considering going to Hot Dog University. It was on the CBS News.



This combined with working my with my uncle Manny should really prepare me to open the best possible hot dog business in a clean, safe, and profitable way and to provide an excellent product and experience for the customers.

I'll know by the end of the month if I'm moving forward on this. It's looking good so far though.

I'd love to hear from you guys about what your favorite hot dogs are. What brand? What toppings? Where did you get 'em? What makes you stop for a dog?

In Florida there's a lot of competition in the hot dog business, but I'll give it a shot. They have a chain down there called "Hot Dog Heaven" so I thought it would be good to use the name "Devil Dogs" as a fun way to compete. Maybe we could setup a contest every year between us. We'd both make money and it would be funny. Besides selling hot dogs, brats, and italian sausage & peppers, I could sell t-shirts, hats with horns on 'em, keychains, etc.


I'm still trying to come up with a cute, fun, mischievous but non-threatening, hot dog mascot with horns and a pitchfork with a pointy arrow tail. I can put it on menus, signs, punch cards, hats, t-shirts, the van I'll use to pull the cart, etc. for branding.
Trilby • Mar 1, 2009 9:03 am
my favorite is a Cincy-style chili hot dog. We call them coneys. See Skyline Chili for the real Cincy chili-dog deal. NOT Gold Star!!
fargon • Mar 1, 2009 9:08 am
Vienna Beef Fire Dogs, or any hot link.
Flint • Mar 1, 2009 9:49 am
My favorite dog, because I can't get them here, is a Chicago street-style:
sport peppers, pickle spears, tomato slices, sweet relish, spicy mustard, sauerkraut, and and all-beef frank and/or polish sausage.

A friend of mine (my boss actually) turned me on to hotdogs with sauerkraut plus HORSERADISH. Yowzah! That's got a kick.
glatt • Mar 1, 2009 10:20 am
Where do you go to the bathroom when you are selling dogs? You don't leave your cart unattended, do you? I imagine you need to be in place from about 10 to 4 or so. Can you hold it that long?
Griff • Mar 1, 2009 10:31 am
white hots!
BrianR • Mar 1, 2009 10:32 am
I used to eat mine with sauerkraut and relish and mustard...not all at once though! Cheese dogs are a current favorite since mustard is off my menu.
Griff • Mar 1, 2009 10:32 am
glatt;539836 wrote:
Where do you go to the bathroom when you are selling dogs? You don't leave your cart unattended, do you? I imagine you need to be in place from about 10 to 4 or so. Can you hold it that long?


Depends?
Flint • Mar 1, 2009 11:35 am
glatt;539836 wrote:
Where do you go to the bathroom when you are selling dogs? You don't leave your cart unattended, do you? I imagine you need to be in place from about 10 to 4 or so. Can you hold it that long?

Stadium Pal?
monster • Mar 1, 2009 11:47 am
Griff;539841 wrote:
Depends?


Wait, hasn't driving to Florida wearing a diaper been done before?
monster • Mar 1, 2009 11:47 am
monster;539870 wrote:
Wait, hasn't driving to Florida wearing a diaper with the intention of serving body parts been done before?
Griff • Mar 1, 2009 11:57 am
monster;539870 wrote:
Wait, hasn't driving to Florida wearing a diaper been done before?


Ha!
capnhowdy • Mar 1, 2009 12:50 pm
We have NuWay hot dogs here. They make their own wieners.

At this place you had better be prepared to wait. Everybody that is somebody eats here. It's old as the hills. And even more famous. No telling what celeb you may run into here.
The joint hasn't changed in as long as anyone can remember. That is key to their success.
Nathan's wieners are good. And available.
richlevy • Mar 1, 2009 2:36 pm
HebNats, as my brother-in-law likes to call them. Hebrew National

It wasn't until I read the wiki that I found out that Hebrew National is not kosher enough for Orthodox Jews.

Still, at least the supervision that they have exceeds the increasingly weak FDA inspection.

If you want to be sure it all came from a cow, specifically the front half of the cow, Hebrew National is the way to go.

My only beef with them :rolleyes: is that like many kosher meat products, they just love to use garlic. Sometimes I have to switch to Nathans just to change up the flavor.

BTW, the hand grinder I bought at the QVC outlet comes with 3 packets of seasonings and a few feet of sausage casing. I do want to try making my own at some point. Are all casings edible now or are they just meant to hold the meat in place and be peeled off before cooking?
Griff • Mar 1, 2009 3:00 pm
Griff;539838 wrote:
white hots!


http://www.zweigles.com/products.asp?category=NaturalCasings#
Chocolatl • Mar 1, 2009 4:38 pm
My favorite hot dogs come from Mel's Hot Dogs here in Tampa. According to their website, they use Chicago-style Vienna Beef dogs. Hebrew National would be second favorite, but nothing matches the stuff at Mel's.
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 8:03 pm
glatt;539836 wrote:
Where do you go to the bathroom when you are selling dogs? You don't leave your cart unattended, do you? I imagine you need to be in place from about 10 to 4 or so. Can you hold it that long?



That's a very good question. I asked someone who runs a cart and he says you put your cart within close walking distance to a restaurant, gas station, or somewhere with a bathroom and take the cash box with me when I go. I suppose my cart could get looted for food, but hopefully I can find someone to watch it for a free dog while I go make my business.
lumberjim • Mar 1, 2009 8:06 pm
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clicky

these are THE BEST.

period
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 8:06 pm
Flint;539858 wrote:
Stadium Pal?



That's a lot like the Bladder Buddy used by truckers.
monster • Mar 1, 2009 8:07 pm
Have you considered Veggie Dogs?
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 8:10 pm
Most dog carts use either Vienna Beef or Sabretts 100% Beef dogs that have natural casings so they snap when you bite into them. Vienna = Chicago, Sabretts = New York.

Some people use Nathans, Bests Kosher, or Hebrew National.

These are all high quality dogs. I've never tried Thumann's.


I'll be grilling my dogs rather than boiling them. After grilling them, I'll put them in a steamer. I don't know how many of you have ever had beer steamed dogs or beer brats, but they are really good.
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 8:12 pm
monster;540050 wrote:
Have you considered Veggie Dogs?


SACRILEGE!!!

Even if I weren't offended by them, you really don't sell enough of them that it would be worth buying them.
monster • Mar 1, 2009 8:16 pm
You might if you sold good ones. In an already saturated market, maybe the healthier options are a way to make your cart stand out. I hear from Brit and European friends that limited veggie options in restaurants and especially fast food places are one of the touristic drawbacks over here. Veggieburgers are standard fare in McDs etc. in Europe.
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 8:26 pm
I see your point, but people who are into health food just don't eat at hot dog carts. It might be a good idea to make a smoothie cart, or a vegetable snack cart and park it outside the gym.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 1, 2009 8:31 pm
Check out this map from Clodfobble's IOtD link.
http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/349-the-slaw-of-the-land-west-virginia-hot-dog-map/
monster • Mar 1, 2009 8:33 pm
but maybe they don't eat at the carts because there are no healthy foods on them.... not all veggies are veggie for health reasons. Some of my veggie friends just live on fries.
jinx • Mar 1, 2009 8:34 pm
I've never eaten at one. We were just sitting here talking about what would make me get a street dog and couldn't come up with anything. Good lluck though, I do hope it works out.
For a while there we were spending a lot of time at CHOP (hospital) and I always wondered who was eating at all the roach coaches in the surrounding area.... really nasty looking chinese food selling trucks and stuff. I've never been that hungry.
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 10:09 pm
xoxoxoBruce;540063 wrote:
Check out this map from Clodfobble's IOtD link.
http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/349-the-slaw-of-the-land-west-virginia-hot-dog-map/



Thanks Bruce. That is very interesting.
Aliantha • Mar 1, 2009 10:09 pm
I don't know if it matters what hotdogs I like, but I like ones that're topped with grilled bacon and onion and cheese with a good BBQ sauce.

Those are especially good after a night on the turps.
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 10:14 pm
That sounds great. Like a Western Bacon Dog.
Aliantha • Mar 1, 2009 10:20 pm
Yeah...they're good. The bacon and stuff covers up the taste of the frankfurt. lol (the sausage that goes in the middle of the bun. That's what we call them over here)
Elspode • Mar 1, 2009 10:23 pm
Polish sausage, brown mustard, a bit of ketchup, sauerkraut, all on a nice, sturdy bun. Something kaiserish, none of those wimpy standard dog buns.
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 10:31 pm
In Chicago they use poppyseed buns.
Clodfobble • Mar 1, 2009 11:05 pm
For what it's worth, I still think "Devil Dogs" is a bad marketing idea. You've got a lot of fundies down there in Florida, and it's completely believable that they would not just avoid buying your product but actively spread the protest. Plus, the Hot Dog Heaven people might not be interested in any sort of contests or friendly rivalries, they'll probably just see it as you trying to cash in on their existing customer base. Besides, if you're going to start out by running your Uncle Manny's cart on his off-days, aren't you going to be running it under his business name anyway?
classicman • Mar 1, 2009 11:07 pm
I agree with Clod. "Devil" anything is probably not a good idea in FL.
monster • Mar 1, 2009 11:08 pm
Dog Days

Doggone it

Where is your Dog now?
monster • Mar 1, 2009 11:09 pm
The Dog's Bollocks
Aliantha • Mar 1, 2009 11:18 pm
Dogs breakfast
jinx • Mar 1, 2009 11:21 pm
Frank's Wieners
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 11:22 pm
Clodfobble;540135 wrote:
For what it's worth, I still think "Devil Dogs" is a bad marketing idea. You've got a lot of fundies down there in Florida, and it's completely believable that they would not just avoid buying your product but actively spread the protest. Plus, the Hot Dog Heaven people might not be interested in any sort of contests or friendly rivalries, they'll probably just see it as you trying to cash in on their existing customer base. Besides, if you're going to start out by running your Uncle Manny's cart on his off-days, aren't you going to be running it under his business name anyway?


I don't see using a playful lil' devil as anything even the most twisted and warped fundamental Christian would be offended by something so cute, and lovable. It's a hot dog with horns for Pete's sake.

I'm talking about something like these pics, but with a hot dog. I just don't see how anyone could be offended.

You may be right about Hot Dog Heaven not being interested unless I grow to a chain of brick and mortar stands of my own. Then they might see me as a real player.

As far as uncle Manny's cart goes, that's just for my training. I'll do that for a month or two at the most before buying my own cart and doing this all the way.
Radar • Mar 1, 2009 11:23 pm
jinx;540145 wrote:
Frank's Wieners


That's as bad as Horn Dogs, and there's already a place called "Let's Be Frank"
Clodfobble • Mar 1, 2009 11:34 pm
Radar wrote:
I just don't see how anyone could be offended.


You have readily admitted in the past that you have difficulty with this in a wide variety of scenarios. You don't see how anyone could have ever voted for Bush, you don't see how anyone could disagree with you on clear Constitutional issues... you've got to keep reminding yourself that there are people in the world who think differently than you do, and that they are far more numerous than you imagine. You dropped out of the homeschool supply business because you learned the hard way that the majority of your clients were fundamental Christians. Don't make the same mistake again--appeal to every customer who has money, not just the ones you like.
classicman • Mar 1, 2009 11:34 pm
Franks footers! make your dogs 12"......

Making a joke of their religious beliefs will not help. I'd seriously stay away from the devil - but thats just me. What do I know?
lumberjim • Mar 1, 2009 11:37 pm
all dogs go to heaven
zippyt • Mar 1, 2009 11:41 pm
Devil Dogs
lumberjim • Mar 1, 2009 11:45 pm
you could call it

Wang's and wear one of those rice paddie hats?
capnhowdy • Mar 1, 2009 11:49 pm
Der Wiener Shuttle
jinx • Mar 1, 2009 11:55 pm
Doglickers
jinx • Mar 1, 2009 11:57 pm
Yo Dawg
zippyt • Mar 1, 2009 11:59 pm
Leatheal dogs , with HOT pepers
Hot Viet pepers
Do you have the Ballz for leathel Dogz ??
monster • Mar 2, 2009 12:14 am
srsly, Clod's hit the nail on the head ....one of the main things about being in customer service -which is what a hot dog cart is- is catering to the whims of the public, no matter what your personal opinion on their whims is... you're receiving some great suggestions here. you're only appreciating some of them. If you keep that attitude up once you're on the cart, you're gonna fail. you gotta learn to be more accepting if you want to deal with the public and be successful. You've got to learn the rules before you can break them and get away with it. You don't do that here and that's why you're not so popular as a poster. No prob, it's just a bulletin board. When you're considering your livelihood, you probably don't want to be so blase. just sayin'
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 12:31 am
zippyt;540163 wrote:
Devil Dogs


I like that one zippy. It's so crazy, it just might work!
monster • Mar 2, 2009 12:32 am
Dwellar Dogs
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 12:35 am
monster;540180 wrote:
srsly, Clod's hit the nail on the head ....one of the main things about being in customer service -which is what a hot dog cart is- is catering to the whims of the public, no matter what your personal opinion on their whims is... you're receiving some great suggestions here. you're only appreciating some of them. If you keep that attitude up once you're on the cart, you're gonna fail. you gotta learn to be more accepting if you want to deal with the public and be successful. You've got to learn the rules before you can break them and get away with it. You don't do that here and that's why you're not so popular as a poster. No prob, it's just a bulletin board. When you're considering your livelihood, you probably don't want to be so blase. just sayin'



Look man, I seriously am taking the suggestions into consideration. I'm not ignoring them. I brought up the names "Reservoir Dogs", "Horn Dogs", and "Devil Dogs" with 2 people I know who run dog carts in Florida and 1 who has run carts in several states. They all told me "Devil Dogs" is the best of those names and they think it would do really well.

I think what really matters are the dogs. Most people could care less what you call the place. The name and image are just for branding so they can tell the difference between me and someone else. You know what I do if a lot of people complain and tell me they are offended by the name? I change the name and sell the same stuff. It's not a big deal.
classicman • Mar 2, 2009 12:42 am
Radar;540189 wrote:
I brought up the names with 2 people I know who run dog carts in Florida....


Yeh, I'd tell my competition how to take some of my business too :headshake
Just sayin. Then again if the name matters not - go with Radardogs - they know when you're coming.:eyebrow:
monster • Mar 2, 2009 12:44 am
That's cool if you have that much rope to play with... They're probably not going to tell you though... and i was referring more to the what you offer than what you're called aspect of it. but hey, who gives a fuck..... Go with whatever floats your boat.
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 2:54 am
classicman;540191 wrote:
Yeh, I'd tell my competition how to take some of my business too :headshake
Just sayin. Then again if the name matters not - go with Radardogs - they know when you're coming.:eyebrow:



Different parts of Florida. It's a big state.
glatt • Mar 2, 2009 10:19 am
When you mentioned the name Devil Dogs, the first thing I thought of was the twinkie-like snack cakes I used to eat occasionally as a kid. So I just looked them up. The trademark is owned by Drake's which is a subsidiarity of Interstate Bakeries Corp. They are the same company that makes Twinkies under the Hostess brand.

I bet that if they discovered you were selling a food item using their food trademark, they would put a stop to it. Although they appear to have stopped selling the product in Florida in 2005, so you may be able to argue that point if they approach you.

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TheMercenary • Mar 2, 2009 11:08 am
Ok, then go with Satan's Wiener.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 2, 2009 11:24 am
Hot Diggidy Dogs.
richlevy • Mar 2, 2009 11:26 am
Radar;540048 wrote:
That's a lot like the Bladder Buddy used by truckers.


[CENTER][SIZE=5]Buy One Today or Send as a Gift[/SIZE][/CENTER]
Send as a gift???????

monster;540188 wrote:
Dwellar Dogs

TubeToads

BTW, there are a lot of hot sauces with Hell and Devil in their names, so I'm sure everyone is used to it. I'd be much more worried about infringement, although the term "Devil Dog" goes back to WWI Marines, and noone is going to confuse a hot dog with a snack cake.
Glinda • Mar 2, 2009 11:42 am
Top Dogs/Dawgs
Franken Footers (foot longs)
Monster Dogs/Dawgs
Pup Tent
Grillers
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 11:52 am
glatt;540281 wrote:
When you mentioned the name Devil Dogs, the first thing I thought of was the twinkie-like snack cakes I used to eat occasionally as a kid. So I just looked them up. The trademark is owned by Drake's which is a subsidiarity of Interstate Bakeries Corp. They are the same company that makes Twinkies under the Hostess brand.

I bet that if they discovered you were selling a food item using their food trademark, they would put a stop to it. Although they appear to have stopped selling the product in Florida in 2005, so you may be able to argue that point if they approach you.

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I don't think they would have a case unless I was selling snack cakes.
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 11:53 am
xoxoxoBruce;540305 wrote:
Hot Diggidy Dogs.


That one is already taken.
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 12:02 pm
richlevy;540306 wrote:
Send as a gift???????


TubeToads

BTW, there are a lot of hot sauces with Hell and Devil in their names, so I'm sure everyone is used to it. I'd be much more worried about infringement, although the term "Devil Dog" goes back to WWI Marines, and noone is going to confuse a hot dog with a snack cake.



There's devil food's cake, deviled ham, etc.

As you said, the term "Devil Dogs" is pretty old. I genuinely don't think I'd be infringing on Drakes if I used the name to sell hot dogs rather than snack cakes. Though if it would make them feel better, I'd sell their cakes too. ;)

If it turns out it does infringe on their name, I can change mine to "Red Hot Devil Dogs" or "Devil Dog Red Hots".
dar512 • Mar 2, 2009 12:06 pm
Radar;539773 wrote:

I'm still trying to come up with a cute, fun, mischievous but non-threatening, hot dog mascot with horns and a pitchfork with a pointy arrow tail. I can put it on menus, signs, punch cards, hats, t-shirts, the van I'll use to pull the cart, etc. for branding.

Think twice about the pointy horn and pitchfork mascot. FreeBSD had this cute mascot for years. But finally gave way to public perception and now have this.
monster • Mar 2, 2009 12:10 pm
Lucifer's Lunch?
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 12:24 pm
The terms Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub, Hell, etc. bring up menacing visions of scary stuff. The term "Devil" does not. Girls in the south often say, "You Devil" when describing guys. It's a playful, mischievous, and fun term.
Shawnee123 • Mar 2, 2009 1:24 pm
How about "Must Love Dogs"?
kerosene • Mar 2, 2009 1:33 pm
Or Dog Eat Dog?
lumberjim • Mar 2, 2009 2:38 pm
Green Dogs


you'll sell out
Radar • Mar 2, 2009 2:52 pm
Gator Dogs....made from real gator! ;)

My guess is somewhere in Florida, they have Gator Dogs already.
LabRat • Mar 3, 2009 1:59 pm
Radar;540146 wrote:
I don't see using a playful lil' devil as anything even the most twisted and warped fundamental Christian would be offended by something so cute, and lovable. It's a hot dog with horns for Pete's sake.


Just FYI Radar, you'd be surprised.

Two years ago I ran the first annual Devil's Dash. It was a cross country run at Halloween. I ran it mostly because of the logo design that was on the T-shirts. Alas, I apparently was in the vast minority. The race co-oordinator got so many bad reviews of the name/logo that he changed it to Muddy Monster.

:headshake

At least now I have a one of a kind T-shirt and award.




FWIW, I have never eaten at any of the carts that pepper the ped mall downtown here. Because? Well, it just makes me nervous frankly. The people serving look scuzzy, so I honestly just don't trust their food. I might try something though if I knew of someone who ate at one regularly and hadn't gotten sick, or I knew the guy preparing the food.

Make sure you and that cart are sparkling clean if you want my business. ::2cents::
Undertoad • Mar 3, 2009 2:08 pm
Whole-wheat buns. You'll sell only one out of 50, but it shows you care.
Radar • Mar 3, 2009 3:13 pm
LabRat;540896 wrote:


Make sure you and that cart are sparkling clean if you want my business. ::2cents::




The cart I am going to use is very clean and professional looking and I will keep it that way.

http://topdogcarts.com/carts.html

I will also make sure I look clean and professional looking. :)


I'm nervous about being sued so I am thinking of using a 3 word alliteration for the name of the business.


Here's what I've got so far.


Dante's Devil Dogs

or

Delicious Devil Dogs
Decadent Devil Dogs
Delightful Devil Dogs

or non-alliteration

Devil Dog Red Hots

Red Hot Devil Dogs



Of these which do you like the best?
Pie • Mar 3, 2009 3:39 pm
Radar's House of Ill Repute
Radar • Mar 3, 2009 3:47 pm
That's an entirely different kind of business and it cost a lot more to start up. My wife might frown on it.


My best friend thinks I should use "Friendly Paul's Delicious Dogs". He thinks the "friendly" thing will get people to stop by.

How about...

Pauly Dogs
Shawnee123 • Mar 3, 2009 3:51 pm
Sounds too much like polliwogs.
Radar • Mar 3, 2009 3:56 pm
I know. That's why it's funny. ;)
Pie • Mar 3, 2009 4:02 pm
Makes me think of Pauly Shore. :vomit:
dar512 • Mar 3, 2009 4:07 pm
How bout "Best in Show" or "Top Dog".
Skunks • Mar 3, 2009 4:16 pm
I wouldn't bother with veggie dogs unless you can find a way to cook them completely separate. I know very few people who don't want to eat meat, but are okay with it being cooked on the same surface / steamed in the same water as meat.

But get good, fresh buns. Sourdough, maybe a whole grain. And if you want to get on the health food kick, find breads and ketchup that don't include high fructose corn syrup.

I also don't think Devil Dogs in any form is a good idea. I recently moved from Eugene, Oregon to rural, upstate NY; there are fundamental differences. Going from cali to Florida you just leave that bubble of cultural comfort.

If your business model for the next several years is dependent on you being the only person running the cart, then market it with your name. Your interaction with customers, your appearance, and your taste in food / preparation is going to be a significant part of your product, so market that. Keep it clear that you're a one-man operation. "Paul's Way: Healthy & Delicious Hot Dogs"
Radar • Mar 3, 2009 4:16 pm
Top Dog = Taken
Best in Show = Makes people think I'm serving actual dogs.
Pie • Mar 3, 2009 4:27 pm
Obedience Training
glatt • Mar 3, 2009 4:35 pm
Skunks;540939 wrote:
If your business model for the next several years is dependent on you being the only person running the cart, then market it with your name. Your interaction with customers, your appearance, and your taste in food / preparation is going to be a significant part of your product, so market that. Keep it clear that you're a one-man operation. "Paul's Way: Healthy & Delicious Hot Dogs"


I agree with this.

And I personally like simple names. Just call it "Paul's" and have a big friendly picture of a hot dog. If it's a one word name, then that word will be larger and more memorable.

It works for "Nathan's."
classicman • Mar 3, 2009 5:00 pm
Delicious Dogs
Decadent Dogs
Delightful Dogs
Sheldonrs • Mar 3, 2009 5:50 pm
Doggone

Hot Diggitys'

The Weiner's Circle

Possible slogan - "Put our weiners in your mouth"
Flint • Mar 3, 2009 6:38 pm
I agree--use your name. And just to be clear, wear a nametag that says Paul. "Welcome to Pauly Dogs. Hi, I'm Paul."
Aliantha • Mar 3, 2009 6:42 pm
What about Pauls Puppy Dogs?...or Pauls Puppies. lol You might need to gain a bit more weight... ;)
monster • Mar 3, 2009 9:17 pm
shame it's not a meatball cart. Paul's Balls has a certain ring to it....
monster • Mar 3, 2009 9:20 pm
Freedom Dogs
Aliantha • Mar 3, 2009 9:21 pm
constitution dogs
monster • Mar 3, 2009 9:25 pm
Liberty Dogs

Paul's Poodles or... Poodles au Pain or Paul's Poodles Au Pain....


or just American Dogs


or International Dogs

Paul's Hot goDs?
littlepixie • Mar 3, 2009 10:45 pm
Paul's Perfect Dogs
Flint • Mar 3, 2009 10:55 pm
littlepixie;541119 wrote:
Paul's Perfect Dogs
That's good. That's really good.
Radar • Mar 3, 2009 11:29 pm
monster;541071 wrote:
shame it's not a meatball cart. Paul's Balls has a certain ring to it....



Very nice. I kind of like that.
Radar • Mar 3, 2009 11:30 pm
monster;541075 wrote:
Liberty Dogs

Paul's Poodles or... Poodles au Pain or Paul's Poodles Au Pain....


or just American Dogs


or International Dogs

Paul's Hot goDs?



Actually I thought about All American Dogs and Liberty Dogs with a copy of the bill of rights printed on every napkin. :)
monster • Mar 3, 2009 11:34 pm
that would be cool

maybe better where there are fewer "immigrants" though
Flint • Mar 3, 2009 11:36 pm
dude. the crazy hotdog guy thing might work. like dr. bronner's soap
BigV • Mar 4, 2009 12:27 am
http://www.google.com/search?q=kogi+korean+taco+blog

this ugly link is about a story I heard on the radio the other day, Radar. it is about a taco truck in LA, but they have two hooks.

One, it's Korean / Mexican fusion. weird enough to make headlines.

Two, they have a blog and a twitter feed that has developed a serious following. People listen to the feed to know where to meet the truck. There's an element of celebrity about it.

Check it out.
Radar • Mar 4, 2009 1:46 am
That's pretty awesome BigV. I guess if I get a following, I can let people know where I am on a website or through twitters.

Korean Mexican Fusion sounds really interesting.
jbt • Mar 4, 2009 2:10 am
Check out Puka Dog, http://www.pukadog.com/. I love their hot dogs and ate there a couple of times when I visited Kauai. It is the best dog I have ever had.

It seems they started small at a hut and grew from there because they had an excellent hook of a custom premium dog, unique sauce, tropical relish, and a inner toasted bun.
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2009 4:22 am
Prairie Dog
Invented by Bat Masterson

Take a wiener and split it lengthwise.
Rub the insides of the wiener with ground sage, and broil until done.
On one side of a bun, spread mustard and cover with thinly sliced dill pickle.
On the other, sprinkle with Worcestershire.
"It makes the usual catsup and mustard wiener sandwich taste very poor in comparison"
Radar • Mar 4, 2009 2:56 pm
I thought Bat Masterson was just a TV character.
monster • Mar 4, 2009 4:10 pm
Aliantha;541074 wrote:
constitution dogs


Would they have a lot of fiber? Like Bran Dogs or something?
xoxoxoBruce • Mar 4, 2009 5:30 pm
Radar;541308 wrote:
I thought Bat Masterson was just a TV character.


C'mon. :rolleyes:
Radar • Mar 6, 2009 1:53 am
When I was about 2 or 3, I loved ships and boats in general. My grandmother called me "Skipper". My parents shortened it and called me Skip and still do. This is the name I went by in school, and the name everyone in my family still uses. In fact all of my childhood friends and even High School friends use this name when they talk to me. To everyone else I'm Paul.

My dad says I should use the name "Skip's Dogs & Chips"

I kind of like the sound if it.
dar512 • Mar 6, 2009 10:22 am
Sounds workable.
wolf • Mar 6, 2009 12:11 pm
The name doesn't matter so much.

It's going to be about you recognition, not business name recognition. Probably the only place that the name will matter is on the business registration documents.

When you eat at food carts, you find some unique identifier, like "the Lebanese cart" or "The Mexican cart with the red hubcaps," or "The red and yellow one down at the corner."

Brick and mortar stores have names and pretty signs, carts not so much.

Keep your big bottle of waterless handwash prominently displayed, and have another one available for the customers. Don't re-use rubber gloves. Do not take money wearing a glove and serve another customer. People appreciate stuff like that.
Trilby • Mar 6, 2009 12:22 pm
Will there be any Desert Dogs? Like hot-dog shaped cakes on lemon-meringue
buns, with cherry sauce (for ketchup) ?

Coz that would be cool.
Pie • Mar 6, 2009 1:41 pm
An Éclair! with a quiggle of strawberry sauce down the middle... :yum:
Radar • Mar 6, 2009 5:13 pm
Actually I was going to make these small cheesecake cupcakes with a nilla wafer at the bottom as the crust and pie filling (cherry, apple, etc.) on the top. I wasn't going to sell them. Just give them away to make people smile and come back. They are super easy and cheap to make and I wouldn't give them to everyone; just people who are either new customers that are extra friendly or regulars who ask for them.
lumberjim • Mar 19, 2009 11:35 pm
ow ow ow!
monster • Mar 20, 2009 10:17 am
Bat Dogs. In Cape Canaveral

http://www.cellar.org/showthread.php?p=547218#post547218
Radar • Mar 20, 2009 7:14 pm
Jim, the original one they tried with the dog on the end of the pitchfork didn't look right...the tail didn't either.

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Flint • Mar 20, 2009 8:10 pm
Dude. Those are too busy. You're not a multi-national corporation. Try a picture of a hotdog.
Radar • Mar 20, 2009 8:17 pm
I'm using the mascot to build branding and also to give me the opportunity to make a few bucks selling merchandise in addition to the food.

That works whether you're a local business or a multi-national conglomerate.
wolf • Mar 24, 2009 11:51 am
If you've got good dogs at a reasonable price you'll be halfway there.

The other half is going to involve being extremely personable, and not discussing politics.
Decca • Mar 24, 2009 4:46 pm
Radar: GOOD LUCK!!
Radar • Mar 24, 2009 6:10 pm
Thanks Decca...and Wolf. I will do all I can to never bring up politics. That's why I didn't pick the name "Liberty Dogs" as I contemplated doing. I thought I'd print the bill of rights on all the napkins.

This might be a good idea for someone in Washington DC though.
Radar • Apr 7, 2009 11:13 pm
Here's the latest test for my mascot, with a dog on the end of his pitchfork.


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Trilby • Apr 7, 2009 11:39 pm
Who's Radar and why does he have a hot dog obsession?

*stinker*
classicman • Apr 7, 2009 11:51 pm
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monster • Apr 8, 2009 12:01 am
Why does the dog have no pants? He wants to be Donald Duck? All I can see is the no pants. I think I need a shrink. Or a shag. Couldn't the dante be on a name tag on a collar?
Trilby • Apr 8, 2009 3:49 am
monster;553851 wrote:
Why does the dog have no pants?


You know very well that the dog-pant making industry is in a slump. You can't buy doggie-pants, no, not even for ready money.
TheMercenary • Apr 8, 2009 5:04 am
monster;553851 wrote:
Why does the dog have no pants? He wants to be Donald Duck? All I can see is the no pants. I think I need a shrink. Or a shag. Couldn't the dante be on a name tag on a collar?


Yea, it must be a girl dog since it has no penis on the dog. All male dogs that stand up like that would have a visable penis. Give it a girl name. How about el dante. :)
Clodfobble • Apr 8, 2009 1:55 pm
So, Radar, aside from your really-thoroughly-thought-out branding, how's the rest of the plan going? Do you have a move date yet? Does Uncle Manny know you're coming?
Shawnee123 • Apr 8, 2009 2:11 pm
I think A-dogs eyes looked crazed, and B-dogs eyes are distant, and uncaring. Could he be looking ever so slightly towards his target audience?

If his eyes moved around, that'd be cool.
BigV • Apr 8, 2009 2:35 pm
Shawnee123;554120 wrote:
I think A-dogs eyes looked crazed, and B-dogs eyes are distant, and uncaring. Could he be looking ever so slightly towards his target audience?

If his eyes moved around, that'd be cool.


ditto
Queen of the Ryche • Apr 8, 2009 2:58 pm
I think A's look "dreamy" and B's are distant - agree with the straight at the customer approach.
Is it me, or does the writing on the t-shirt look a little cheesy? I agree w/ maybe put it on a dog tag? Maybe put flames on the shirt?
Radar • Apr 8, 2009 6:28 pm
Clodfobble;554110 wrote:
So, Radar, aside from your really-thoroughly-thought-out branding, how's the rest of the plan going? Do you have a move date yet? Does Uncle Manny know you're coming?



I'm writing this from Uncle Manny's computer. I've been living in Florida for 3 days. :)

My wife and dad want me to do IT work and start the cart part-time, but I don't see how you can run a business part-time. I posted my resume and I'm getting a lot of interest for IT work. I've talked at great length about the hot dog business with my uncle Manny.

I went to the coolest hot dog cart I've ever seen yesterday. He was even selling my favorite hot dog (Best's Kosher) but soon he will have no more dogs because Sara Lee stopped making Best's Kosher.
Clodfobble • Apr 8, 2009 8:02 pm
Radar wrote:
I'm writing this from Uncle Manny's computer. I've been living in Florida for 3 days.


When's your first day out with his cart?
capnhowdy • Apr 8, 2009 8:38 pm
Figure B's cock looks like a cursor... oh wait!

never mind.
Radar • Apr 15, 2009 9:12 pm
Almost done with Dante now.

Here he is in color. Only a few fixes to make.


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dar512 • Apr 15, 2009 10:57 pm
Radar, remember that in business, the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing. People aren't buying your logo. They're buying your hot dogs (assuming you get to that point).
Radar • Apr 16, 2009 9:10 am
I agree that the main thing should be the main thing. I also believe in measuring twice and cutting once. By planning ahead of time and setting up a good branding and marketing strategy, I will stand out from other hot dog carts.

I intend on creating USP (Unique Selling Points) that make my cart a value and attract customers and make them loyal to my brand.

In otherwords, decent graphics go a long way.