Bush goes out his with usual class
In December, President-elect Obama asked the White House if he and his family could move into Blair House — the White House’s guest house — a week early, so that his daughters Malia and Sasha could start school. The White House rebuffed them, saying the house was already booked for another guest. A White House source added that “Blair House was appalled” by the request.
Blair House has 119 rooms with 35 bathrooms, and no one was booked at the time of the request. Sometime after that, Bush offered the house to John Howard, the former Prime Minister of Australia who is set to receive a Medal of Freedom... for one night.
Got to hand it to Bush, he's consistent. :rolleyes:
Linkwell I don't think Obama would have wanted to share a bathroom with johnny. lol
God knows what he's getting that medal for btw. I think just because he and George hit it off mostly.
That's the butt-kissing medal. Blair is getting one too.
So Obama is staying a block away from the Blair house in the Hay Adams hotel. I'm not sure who is paying for that. It's a very expensive place. Nice though.
It's a pain too, because they closed the streets around the hotel, and there's a courthouse there that we use a lot in my firm. Can't take a cab there any more to do filings. And with the last few days of heavy cold driving rains, a cab would have been nice for the people doing the filings.
Bush offered the house to John Howard, the former Prime Minister of Australia who is set to receive a Medal of Freedom...
How many times will George Jr so pervert the meaning of that medal. Previous recipients include Bremmer who contributed to the unnecessary death of thousands of Americans in Iraq. Bremmer got the medal only for being a wacko extremist who worked for the political agenda; not for America. Who worked for the wacko extremists which means against freedom.
What did John Howard do to promote freedom? He supported George Jr in destroying America's credibility all over the world.
If Howard deserves it, then so does Bellisconi of Italy. Who got freedom? Corruption, bribery, and other crimes. Let freedom ring. Or save that medal from another destruction by George Jr.
....George Jr ....wacko extremist....wacko extremists ....George....George Jr.
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And again it is time to talk about what Merc has done to that whore he calls a wife. Oh. Did she commit suicide yet? Good for her. Now she is in a better place away from the wacko extremist who makes everyone's life miserable. He even lies about his military service.
And again it is time to talk about what Merc has done to that whore he calls a wife. Oh. Did she commit suicide yet? Good for her. Now she is in a better place away from the wacko extremist who makes everyone's life miserable. He even lies about his military service.
Ah, the double standard continues at The Cellar.
And again it is time to talk about what Merc has done to that whore he calls a wife. Oh. Did she commit suicide yet? Good for her. Now she is in a better place away from the wacko extremist who makes everyone's life miserable. He even lies about his military service.
holy across the line, batman
holy across the line, batman
I see. It is acceptable for TheMercenary to cross the line? Double standard? I defined where the line was long ago AND how I would respond. You are completely wrong. As I said previously, if this was permitted, then I would take it to what he understands. This is the new Cellar until you start posting about the reason for this new tone.
You want this tone to end? Then go after then only reason for it. As Brianna noted, he is posting this constantly meaning every thread of intellligent discussion has been perverted into name calling. Did you like that? Well this is what happens when one condoms the constant posts from TheMercenary. Not my description. Brianna defined the problem. Same TheMercenary attackes were routine against others such as piercehawkeye 45 and Radar.
Welcome to the Cellar that TheMercenary wants and has created
again. Did he not cause this new tone previously? Yes. And he has done it again. Maybe his whore smells too badly lately even for him. Welcome to what TheMercenary calls intelligent posting.
Ah, the double standard continues at The Cellar.
There is no double standard. You have routinely turned another discussion nasty as the odor from your wife. Welcome again to the Cellar attitude that you have again inspired.
I see. It is acceptable for TheMercenary to cross the line? Double standard? I defined where the line was long ago AND how I would respond. You are completely wrong. As I said previously, if this was permitted, then I would take it to what he understands. This is the new Cellar until you start posting about the reason for this new tone.
You want this tone to end? Then go after then only reason for it. As Brianna noted, he is posting this constantly meaning every thread of intellligent discussion has been perverted into name calling. Did you like that? Well this is what happens when one condoms the constant posts from TheMercenary. Not my description. Brianna defined the problem. Same TheMercenary attackes were routine against others such as piercehawkeye 45 and Radar.
Welcome to the Cellar that TheMercenary wants and has created again. Did he not cause this new tone previously? Yes. And he has done it again. Maybe his whore smells too badly lately even for him. Welcome to what TheMercenary calls intelligent posting.
FTR
There is no double standard. You have routinely turned another discussion nasty as the odor from your wife. Welcome again to the Cellar attitude that you have again inspired.
FTR
Wow. A three letter word. Not having attacked other posters today has caused even less intelligence? Let's see how many others such as radar and piercehawkeye45 you can attack today.
Wow. A three letter word. Not having attacked other posters today has caused even less intelligence? Let's see how many others such as radar and piercehawkeye45 you can attack today.
Fail.
i must have missed a bit of backstory
please. dont fill me in
i must have missed a bit of backstory
please. dont fill me in
Not sure there is one. If there is I don't know it.
And again it is time to talk about what Merc has done to that whore he calls a wife. Oh. Did she commit suicide yet? Good for her. Now she is in a better place away from the wacko extremist who makes everyone's life miserable. He even lies about his military service.
Knock that shit off.:eyebrow:
I think someone needs a timeout - maybe its me, but that is so far over the line in so many threads.
holy across the line, batman
It's all over the poly forums. Just leave them alone. Maybe they'll finish each other off and we can stop with the pissing matches.
Just leave them alone.
Pissing matches are allowed. This is way beyond that. So if anyone wants to change their Mod vote, do it now, because I'm not going to stand for this shit and I have the power to back up my threats.
I can't believe anyone would say something like that on this forum. Regardless of what you think of the actual poster, there's no need to say nasty stuff about their family.
I vote for a temporary ban at the least.
Personally I think the pair of them have been out of line for days. That said, tw crossed the line big style when he started beating on Merc's missus. I understand why tw went down that route. He's trying to make a point about Merc's attitude in here. I can see what he's trying to do, but I think he has gone about it the wrong way. I don't care how nasty anybody in here is, that shouldnt open up their spouse to attack.
I don't think it should result in a ban though. Not unless both get banned. And I don't want that to happen. Annoying as this shit is it's all part of the Cellar.
That said, it ain't up to me *smiles* I'll support whatever the mods go with on this.
Personally I think the pair of them have been out of line for days. That said, tw crossed the line big style when he started beating on Merc's missus. I understand why tw went down that route. He's trying to make a point about Merc's attitude in here. I can see what he's trying to do, but I think he has gone about it the wrong way. I don't care how nasty anybody in here is, that shouldnt open up their spouse to attack.
I don't think it should result in a ban though. Not unless both get banned. And I don't want that to happen. Annoying as this shit is it's all part of the Cellar.
That said, it ain't up to me *smiles* I'll support whatever the mods go with on this.
ditto
If Bruce wants to give them a cooling off period, I fully support him. Mercs nonsense was designed to set tw off, but tw stepped way over the line.
Mercs nonsense was designed to set tw off, but tw stepped way over the line.
That was never the intention. I have no idea where that crap came from.
Every time he posts, you shout him down.
I don't see it that way. I just show the common thread of the same old stuff. It is never anything new and it is never referenced or cited. It is totally redundant. I don't feel that any of that warranted the references to my wife. None of you would tolerate that if it was done to you.
TW, I sometimes agree with what you post, but you did cross the line on this one.
The exchanges between you and Merc seem to bring out the worst in both of you, but IMO he has not stepped over it as badly as you have.
If you don't want to be labeled a 'wacko' by even more people, I suggest sticking to facts and opinions at based on facts.
On the original topic of the thread:
The Obamas request was reasonable. I would think that the incoming presidential family would fulfill the requirement for 'VIP guest'. Denying the request was either pettiness or incompetence.
ditto
If Bruce wants to give them a cooling off period, I fully support him. Mercs nonsense was designed to set tw off, but tw stepped way over the line.
I agree, all 3 of them have been stinking up the joint for weeks. But since when is calling someone or their spouse names *coughspexxvetcough* a bannable offense? Like Dana said, it's part of the cellar.
I don't see it that way.
Of course you don't. You also like your dripping wife.
Others - did I get your attention? Good. Now deal with the problem and not its symptom. TheMercenary has been doing destructive posts to the Celllar for a long time. Adress it or expect me to post in the same tone.
You don't have to like it. But if you don't address the problem, then don't expect a solution.
The exchanges between you and Merc seem to bring out the worst in both of you, but IMO he has not stepped over it as badly as you have.
Hardly. I have been quite tolerant. And now I am only doing what he has been doing for many months. To discuss his dripping wife is consistent with how he post. Attack the symptom or begin dealing with the problem that started this long ago. Don't post at me. You know who started this. You want it to stop. Then go after the problem and the old tw returns.
My suddenly tone change got your attention. Now, don't deal with what is obvious. Deal with the problem. I have nothing to apologize for. My change of tone now was quite justified long ago. Brianna defined the problem elsewhere using the word "constant". Did you join a rebuttal of the problem or ignore it until I made it impossible to ignore?
Gosh oh golly tw that sounds like a threat.
It's 2 pm on 1-11-09 and if I see one more crack about Merc's wife, you're outta here. That's not a threat, it's a promise.
Of course you don't. You also like your dripping wife.
Others - did I get your attention? Good. Now deal with the problem and not its symptom. TheMercenary has been doing destructive posts to the Celllar for a long time. Adress it or expect me to post in the same tone.
You don't have to like it. But if you don't address the problem, then don't expect a solution.
forgetaboutit.
Gosh oh golly tw that sounds like a threat.
It's 2 pm on 1-11-09 and if I see one more crack about Merc's wife, you're outta here. That's not a threat, it's a promise.
And nothing I posted was a threat. It was facts - in the same way that TheMercenary posts his facts.
Instead, address the only problem. I will only be outta here because you got silly emotional rather than deal with the problem. Where is that post more than threatening TheMercenary for personal attacks? April and Oynxcougar got banned for much less. Banning only because I finally got your attention? Banning me only because I finally decided to retaliate? How is it that one who has been here longer than you saw no reasons to ban those others or Barak - but see TheMercenary as far more destuctive to the Celar?
Get your head on straight Bruce. I am intentionally testing you to think logically or emotionally – to stop ignoring the problem. Logic, my friend. I am in only one day replying, in kind and fully justified, to months of attacks. I am only the symptom. Can you deal with problem or do you always attack the symptom? Notice how TheMercenary's personal attack posts have only increased in numbers and intensity while you remain silent – encourage it.
I agree, all 3 of them have been stinking up the joint for weeks. But since when is calling someone or their spouse names *coughspexxvetcough* a bannable offense? Like Dana said, it's part of the cellar.
At some point the noise level of all three become intollerably irritating. Name-calling is one thing but making the board unreadable is what gets my goat.
No, you get your head on strait. I know what Merc has been doing and I find it damn annoying, I'm sure there are a lot of members that will agree. I also find your repeated diatribe, mental midget/wacko extremists/Rush Limbaugh, just as annoying. But the only way to fix that is censorship and that's even worse.
You, however, have crossed the line by bringing his wife into it, and that's going to stop. Got it?
I also find your repeated diatribe, mental midget/wacko extremists/Rush Limbaugh, just as annoying.
And that has occurred only in direct response to his replies. I did not start this. But I damn well expect to push the Cellar into a decision. Do we return to the Cellar I have particapted in for 20 years. Or do we condom the Limbaugh style accusations that are routine only from select wacko extemists.
But again, Bruce chooses to challenge the symptom rather than scold the problem. Guess what Bruce. I got your attention. Now start making a decision whether you want to solve the many month problem or attack the one day old symptom. Your every post ignores and therefore encourages the problem. The tone of the Cellar made bad by those who post attacks rather than contribute to knowledge.
All this gets solved simply. You deal with the problem AND you don't see me posting equally in kind. I am the symptom here. So why do I keep posting that same statement? Maybe you keep criticizing the symptom rather than attack the problem. He does this to more than just me. Brianna used the word 'constant' to describe it. Do you also ignore that post or instead deal with the problem. You damn well know I would not be posting this way if the problem did not exist.
And that has occurred only in direct response to his replies. I did not start this. But I damn well expect to push the Cellar into a decision. Do we return to the Cellar I have particapted in for 20 years. Or do we condom the Limbaugh style accusations that are routine only from select wacko extemists.
But again, Bruce chooses to challenge the symptom rather than scold the problem. Guess what Bruce. I got your attention. Now start making a decision whether you want to solve the many month problem or attack the one day old symptom. Your every post ignores and therefore encourages the problem. The tone of the Cellar made bad by those who post attacks rather than contribute to knowledge.
All this gets solved simply. You deal with the problem AND you don't see me posting equally in kind. I am the symptom here. So why do I keep posting that same statement? Maybe you keep criticizing the symptom rather than attack the problem. He does this to more than just me. Brianna used the word 'constant' to describe it. Do you also ignore that post or instead deal with the problem. You damn well know I would not be posting this way if the problem did not exist.
Piss and vinegar I leave for a week and you folks are tearin it up! :corn:
Brianna used the word 'constant' to describe it.
You can't even get that right, Brianna was referring to a different annoying habit than you are.
As for the rest of your ultimatum... don't make me spit on your soul.
You, however, have crossed the line by bringing his wife into it
Why is this crossing the line? These knuckleheads have been trading insults for so freaking long.... why does this particular insult cross the line?
Well, partly because she's not here, not involved in this pissing match, but mostly because I said so. ;)
Life is full of uncertainty.
Well, partly because she's not here, not involved in this pissing match, but mostly because I said so. ;)
that concerns me greatly. you wink, but i wonder.
if tw gets banned over this.....then you'd better ban spexxvet, and merc and me too.
Well, partly because she's not here, not involved in this pissing match, but mostly because I said so. ;)
If she's not here I
really don't see the problem... But other people seemed to think it crossed a line as well and I'm am seriously wondering why. Unless you feel that a woman's character or worth is defined by her chastity, why would you get bent out of shape by some crazy person calling her a "whore"?
Intolerably annoying I'll give you, all 3 of them are imo. But if we're going to start banning people for content, shouldn't we at least discuss it first? The cellar is a community, right? And while I really appreciate how much you personally do for the cellar, but I'm uncomfortable with that giving you license to ban people who haven't crossed a previously established line.
People, let's all take a page from the excellent movie FORGETTING SARAH MARSHALL and sodomize intolerance!
hope that helps.
btw--all three of them? I thought it was just tw and merc. Who else is being all crazed and stuff?
My reasoning is that it's inappropriate to bring someone's spouse into a discussion in a derogatory manner simply for the sake of insult.
My personal opinion is that this type of behaviour is never appropriate regardless of what forum you're on although I do accept that other people have different views. It's just bad form to insult someone who is not in a position to defend themselves.
With regard to the situation between Merc and tw; my opinion is that Merc has been goading tw with his quotes, but (and it's a big but) he's really just been posting what a lot of the posters here see/think when they see another tw post that goes on for ages. I don't condone it and I think it's childish, but it's true that the truth often comes from the mouths of babes. If tw were to respond in kind by doing the same thing to Merc I wouldn't care. I'd say let them both go hard for as long as they like, but what tw said was simply disgusting and rude. There was no humorous intent (which I believe was Mercs intention in the first place but may have gone too far), simply nastiness.
I think this site is well moderated and while I see your point with regard to this issue, I believe a moderator should have licence to make a decision based on his or her assessment of the situation without having to be called to answer for it. Whether others deserve to be banned or not is not in question here. The issue is that Bruce has warned tw that his post was inappropriate and tw can either choose to ignore that warning and proceed to banning for future similar offences, or he can continue to post here.
If Bruce had simply banned him without a warning I think it would have been rough, but he has been warned (and I assume that warning would apply to anyone else thinking of being just as rude). It's up to tw what he chooses to do from here.
you. we were talking about you. ALL. THIS. TIME.
(this was a response to Brianna) eta because Ali got caught in the middle....
Someone let me know so I can let loose with my diatribe. I am ready.
that concerns me greatly. you wink, but i wonder.
if tw gets banned over this.....then you'd better ban spexxvet, and merc and me too.
What, that was really you and not Jinx. Fuck off, ya cock.:lol2:
If she's not here I really don't see the problem....
I do.
But other people seemed to think it crossed a line as well and I'm am seriously wondering why.
Because it's unacceptable in every society, not just here.
Unless you feel that a woman's character or worth is defined by her chastity, why would you get bent out of shape by some crazy person calling her a "whore"?
He went beyond that, but in any case I don't buy your strawman.
Intolerably annoying I'll give you, all 3 of them are imo. But if we're going to start banning people for content, shouldn't we at least discuss it first? The cellar is a community, right? And while I really appreciate how much you personally do for the cellar, but I'm uncomfortable with that giving you license to ban people who haven't crossed a previously established line.
Uncomfortable or not, that's the way it is. It
can be changed.
Unless you feel that a woman's character or worth is defined by her chastity
That strawman.
So you're not taking issue with the whore comments specifically, it's entirely about tw insulting someone who is not a member?
:rolleyes:
Good God. If it were you LJ would be loading a shotgun.
actually, merc...spexvet did get pretty nasty and graphic about jinx when we were going at it.....no one wanted him banned for it though.....toughen up. you prodded him relentlessly and he snapped out at you. move on.
actually, merc...spexvet did get pretty nasty and graphic about jinx when we were going at it.....no one wanted him banned for it though.....toughen up. you prodded him relentlessly and he snapped out at you. move on.
I have. Note I have only made one softball comment since yesterday. I have received my marching orders from the peeps in charge and that is that.
I didn't say that. Let me spell it out for you.
There is never an occasion when insulting a member's family contributes to the conversation. That makes it intolerably irritating. Therefore, unless introduced to the discussion by the member, their family is off limits.
I didn't say you said anything, I asked questions I wanted to know the answer to. Thank you for gracing me with a response sire.
That's why I detailed my position.
I'm not your sire, nor your dam.
btw, both are family members and off limits.
So are Griff's goats. :p
I didn't say that. Let me spell it out for you.
There is never an occasion when insulting a member's family contributes to the conversation. That makes it intolerably irritating. Therefore, unless introduced to the discussion by the member, their family is off limits.
Just a question. Since I often say things like 'Dazza says...' does that mean he's within the limits and people can take potshots if they like?
I've been thinking about it and can't come up with a decision either way really because usually when I quote him, it's because he's said it when I've read something out to him from the cellar so in effect, it is him saying it. On the other hand, if someone wanted to question his opinions which I've quoted, I'd hope they'd stick to the opinions in question and not resort to personal insults.
Just a question. Since I often say things like 'Dazza says...' does that mean he's within the limits and people can take potshots if they like?
Why would they do that when they have you to rag on?:p
Yes well, I think I probably provide enough entertainment for the mob when I decide to go off on a tangent, but I guess I'd be annoyed if someone decided to make personal comment about Dazza after I'd quoted him.
Mind you, if they did, he'd probably join the cellar in order to 'clarify his position'. lol
Therefore, unless introduced to the discussion by the member, their family is off limits.
I don't really understand what this means, something like this obviously isn't what you're talking about
hell, I was thinking I could rent you mine for less than that. :D
What? Your selling your wife now? Welcome to the new tone in evey thread that TheMercenary posts in. But again we have the new Cellar tone because TheMercenary has been posting personal attacks throughout the Cellar - as Brianna called it - constant.
Expect this to be routine now that TheMercenary personal attacks have been condoned for months.
but whatever, do your thing, thanks for trying to explain.
Good God it was a fucking joke. He picked it up as something else and ran with it.
I don't really understand what this means, something like this obviously isn't what you're talking about.
You're smart, you'll figure it out.
Good God it was a fucking joke. He picked it up as something else and ran with it.
No, it was harassment. You got what you wanted, he lost it. Big victory for you, enjoy it.
No, it was harassment. You got what you wanted, he lost it. Big victory for you, enjoy it.
No the joke I was talking about was Jinx's quote. Stop reading into my comments what you want to believe they mean.
That is crazy talk anyway, this is not about some "victory for me".
tw's response in that thread was fair game, although uncalled for.
Taking it all over the board was definitely not right.
Oh Merc, Griff's right. You're far from an innocent party in this ongoing fiasco.
Anyway, Bush could go out in a box. That would be a class act. IMHO.
tw's response in that thread was fair game, although uncalled for.
Taking it all over the board was definitely not right.
Oh Merc, Griff's right. You're far from an innocent party in this ongoing fiasco.
Granted. I admit to repeatedly quoting, his repeated diatribes against the same stuff, over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Guilty.
Granted. I admit to repeatedly quoting, his repeated diatribes against the same stuff, over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Guilty.
yeah...cause you like being a shit stirer right? :headshake
Good now STFU about it and lets all move on.
Back to the thread ...
Bush = bad.
Got it?
We can't do that classic. lol This is the internet!
yeah...cause you like being a shit stirer right? :headshake
whateva
Well it's true. Some of us know you're a big softie at heart, but that's generally not the persona you project in general discussions...unless I've missed something, which is possible. ;)
I guess it depends on the subject matter. :D
Or if the subject matters...:D
Intolerably annoying I'll give you, all 3 of them are imo.
Forgive my denseness, but who's the third one? I've read tw and Mercs exchanges, so that's two. Who's the third?
I also find your repeated diatribe, mental midget/wacko extremists/Rush Limballs, just as annoying.
Now that you bring that up, it is pretty annoying. I'm a tolerant fellow though so I've not said anything up to this point.
I don't see any point in bringing out the old ban-stick.
This shit springs up, everybody gets hot under the collar, people start flinging about insults and bringing up old troubles and then... it all stops. It always does. The main protagonists get bored or distracted and something else starts attracting our collective attention. Very, very rarely, does the Cellar deviate from this pattern.
Merc and Tw, and several others, go through this on a semi-regular basis. It's unpleasant, it gets on most peoples' nerves, but it'll pass. It always does. The only possible reason for a ban, as far I can see, would be if we were hoping to recruit new members and were afraid this would put off those who wander through. As far as i know, we aren't on a recruitment drive...
A second reason to ban might be if one of the main players in the row was a newbie who hadn't proved themselves, but had just waltzed in causing havoc and upset and insulting people left, right and centre. Clearly that's not the case here. Both are established members of the community who have each made a significant contribution to who and what we are.
That said, when a barkeep tells you to quieten it down or take your argument outside, it behooves you as a patron to listen. I would suggest that all of those involved in the row listen to Bruce and take your argument elsewhere (in private chat or on a different forum).
A second reason to ban might be if one of the main players in the row was a newbie who hadn't proved themselves, but had just waltzed in causing havoc and upset and insulting people left, right and centre. Clearly that's not the case here. Both are established members of the community who have each made a significant contribution to who and what we are.
I don't see merc as an established member. He's a fucking bully and has been from day one. I've been stupid enough to pass over his homophobia and constant abuse of tw. He started out with cover as the conservative who wasn't as annoying as UG, but now he is far worse. He contributes nothing to this forum.
I think that's an unfairly bleak account of Merc's time here. He's been a member for two years and in that time he's made positive and negative contributions, as have many of us.
I don't see merc as an established member. He's a fucking bully and has been from day one. I've been stupid enough to pass over his homophobia and constant abuse of tw. He started out with cover as the conservative who wasn't as annoying as UG, but now he is far worse. He contributes nothing to this forum.
You can't see past the politics. Whateva.
Not to shit stir, I made my peace with Merc (mentally) a while ago.
But if we're talking about not bringing spouses into it, you might want to consider Merc's comments about Radar's wife.
TW was wrong. But Merc has also been wrong in the past. As have other posters. Some people on here argue personally, spitefully, nastily. It's not attractive, but it is part of who they are, and they are we - we are the Cellar.
I say, let Merc & TW have their spat. The only part of it that really bugs me is when it gets into the whole "double standards" and "bullying" thing. I believe those claims are unfounded, but Merc does seem to have been treated more leniently IMO. Perhaps because he can post like a human being too (cooking, humour etc).
I was wrong. I was admonished and warned. And I reformed. That was over a year ago. I was guilty as charged and have made no such comments to Radar since even though he continues to make directly insulting comments to everyone who disagrees with him. The ignore button works wonders.
I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I have to admit I've flipped the bozo bit on Merc after
this one.
Of course that doesn't excuse tw's behavior.
I accept Merc's post (penultimate above). He has been way over the line and apologised - here and in other posts. That goes a long way in my esteem.
Doesn't mean I haven't abhorred some of Merc's posts. But TW's claim of favouritism doesn't take this into account. I haven't switched my views, because I still say let them both shred eachother. But Merc did remind me why I made my peace with him back them.
The ignore button works wonders.
I wish there was a way to put Merc, tw, UG and (possibly) Radar & UT on ignore --
only for their political posts. They have posted gems in other categories that are definitely worth reading, but their angry contributions to political threads often poison their legibility beyond redemption.:headshake
Forgive my denseness, but who's the third one? I've read tw and Mercs exchanges, so that's two. Who's the third?
Usually classicman, but he wasn't involved in the latest shitstorm.
actually, merc...spexvet did get pretty nasty and graphic about jinx when we were going at it.....no one wanted him banned for it though.....toughen up. you prodded him relentlessly and he snapped out at you. move on.
To be fair there were a few of us who
did want spexvet banned. Not just because of what he called jinx in that one thread but because of his habit of stirring the shit and posting in that manner. For some people using that one word set them off, for me it was just one more piece of the puzzle.
tw is an annoying petty little liar. his posts don't add a hell of a lot around here because they are generally opinion presented as fact BUT he has been a consistent (if not respected) member for a long time and I see no reason to change that
unless he chooses to ignore the moderator warnings. This is classic tw. When pressed for answers he gets nasty. Back when I challenged him to support his views on investing he chose instead to insult me about my wife leaving me. I laughed it off because the words of a man I don't respect don't really mean much to me. He attacks people in a personal manner if they challenge his opinions. Not much value in the poster if you ask me.
Merc as near as I can tell isn't a liar. His politics are a bit off from mine and I don't really care for how he presents his case quite often. I don't like the way he treated Ibram - and I said so. I don't like what he said to Shawnee - and people challenged him. his changing of words (demoncrat) is annoying and petty but really pretty insignificant. Importantly, for me, when a mod stepped in and said XXXX is unacceptable - he stopped. That keeps him inside the lines for the banning rules in my book.
Personally I think pissing matches are fun at times. I've had my share with tw and some of them got pretty nasty. I still smile at some of them. BUT if any mod had told me to cease or be banned I would have stopped because that's why we elect the mods. If tw crosses the line after bruce's time stamped warning he should be shown the door.
Usually classicman, but he wasn't involved in the latest shitstorm.
Gotcha. Thanks.
classicman was fairly well rounded until election season rolled around and he lost his shit. elections do that to people. Last time it was mr noodle and he never came back around the bend. I think Classic will be just fine though.
I agree with that Lookout, but personally I'd prefer mods to use temporary bans or suspensions first.
I'm rarely in favour of bans. Mostly I think people should just grow a thicker skin or learn to use the ignore button. That said, like Lookout pointed out, there's no point in electing moderators if we then ignore them or disallow them from doing their job as they think it should be done. If a moderator gives someone a warning and tells them XXXX has to stop, then said mod must be able to enforce that.
I don't like the way he treated Ibram - and I said so.
And I made a personal
public appology on that one as well within a week or so. I made peace with it and am done with the issue on that one. I am moving on with this issue as well.
Unless someone comes out with an all out attack on the community, perma-banning is probably unnecessary. I like the 30 day warning ban idea if an established member crosses the line and is judged worthy of a time out.
but in all honesty the cellar is the cellar and these things have a way of working themselves out. even if tw isn't banned does anyone actually read his posts anyway?
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sorry merc, i was just using that as an example - i wasn't expecting you to bow and scrape at this point in time.
I used to but then they started frightening me.
why? you think crazy is contagious? you're already a manc tart and a commie... how much worse do you think it can get?
You forgot socialist-anti-American-Bush-hater.. but I still like her. She's cool. :D
classicman was fairly well rounded until election season rolled around and he lost his shit. elections do that to people. I think Classic will be just fine though.
Gee, thanks for the vote of confidence - I think.
dude, i like you and we are fairly similar in our views for the most part, but you're shit got a little unstuck in the months leading up to the election. don't fight it - embrace your craziness. ;)
dude, i like you and we are fairly similar in our views for the most part, but you're shit got a little unstuck in the months leading up to the election. don't fight it - embrace your craziness. ;)
thanks - I know what I did and why I did it, but I don't wanna rehash all that. Those who know me well enough, understand and those who don't can kiss my ass. :)
why? you think crazy is contagious? you're already a manc tart and a commie... how much worse do you think it can get?
You forgot socialist-anti-American-Bush-hater.. but I still like her. She's cool. :D
You forgot living in an Islamo-apologist state and also a supporter of genocide. I say burn the witch (Blackadder rather than Python).
Those who know me well enough, understand and those who don't can kiss my ass. :)
Do you use moist wipes? No way am I going there unless you trim, otherwise.
Back to the grown up world of the Cellar.
I am very much in favour of time-outs for long term Dwellars.
Step one - warn
Step two - take (temporary) action
Step three - welcome back, all issues forgiven and forgotten
Step four - warn
Step five - take (temporary) action
Step six - welcome back, all issues forgiven and forgotten
Step seven - get Elspode and Wolf to summon up Herne the Hunter and lay a deathly chase of hounds on their arse. Oh and ban them.
Back to the grown up world of the Cellar.
I am very much in favour of time-outs for long term Dwellars.
I don't think these 2 terms go together.
I do think that UT has done a fantastic job on his own of deciding who needed to be banned and when (extremely rarely) and don't understand why that would change just because tw flipped out.
If you find yourself freaking out about the words on the screen, give yourself a time out.
I did put those terms in proximity deliberately :)
Those who know me well enough, understand and those who don't can kiss my ass. :)
You want people you don't know to kiss your ass? :eek:
i've been to parties like that.
i've been to parties like that.
You would.
what else is youth for, if not but to enjoy?
"Children, there's a time and a place for everything, and it's called college."
may I be in charge of all banning, please?
you people in this thread really PISS ME OFF
I'm gonna ban every last goddamned one of ya
just as soon as I find my ban key.
why can't I find my goddamned ban key!
BRUUUUUCE!
you people in this thread really PISS ME OFF
I'm gonna ban every last goddamned one of ya
just as soon as I find my ban key.
why can't I find my goddamned ban key!
BRUUUUUCE!
Couldn't find the clip?
NO.
HERE IT IS
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HA HA HA HA at both Jim and Ali!
I think that's an unfairly bleak account of Merc's time here. He's been a member for two years and in that time he's made positive and negative contributions, as have many of us.
Nope, he's a piece of shit.
Nope, he's a piece of shit.
:dedhorse:
Nope, you'll always be a filthy little ass wipe even if you play nice for two minutes. Keep playing your game, we have time.
Nope, you'll always be a filthy little ass wipe even if you play nice for two minutes. Keep playing your game, we have time.
:lame:
IMHO. This is one of the most asinine threads I've checked here. I have a thing about telephones, you will not eat my ass out or curse me, because I'll hang up. Same for computers.
Some people whom I thought were my intellectual betters have made post that really supprised me.
TW. I don't have a clue as to his mind set. Merc post a lot of news links. News to me is a misnomer for BS!!
I've been here a few years and never had words with anyone, (note disreguard any post under Geo. Dickel #12)I hope. Would like to keep it that way.
Put this SOB to bed. :bolt:
Couldn't find the clip?
This thread explains the whole thing, including
the truth about the ban key.
I don't mind if TW and Merc want to hop up and down and spew their political and military and business opinions around. They're both irritating as fuck. However, the wife insults, foillowed by the insistence that "he started it" is ridiculous.
Fights escalate. TW decided to throw a tantrum so that we could all see how mistreated he was. My take is that, act the ass, play Superior all the time, you'll piss people off. Expect it. Deal with it. Own it.
This thread explains the whole thing, including the truth about the ban key.
Yes, I participated in that thread, but it didn't make any sense at the time and makes even less now. ;)
I don't think these 2 terms go together.
I do think that UT has done a fantastic job on his own of deciding who needed to be banned and when (extremely rarely) and don't understand why that would change just because tw flipped out.
Oh, you want Mari back?
IMHO. This is one of the most asinine threads I've checked here. I have a thing about telephones, you will not eat my ass out or curse me, because I'll hang up. Same for computers.
You are completely right. I thought I had the energy to be merc's merc but it is too exhausting being negative. My apologies to everyone but the target. The Cellar will survive themercenary.
Oh, you want Mari back?
Do you think that's what I said?
I wouldn't mind having anyone back who was banned for anything other than spam or hacking.
I think there's a fine line between disliking someone and demonising them.
Do you think that's what I said?
Yes.
It's disappointing to me that that's what you choose to take from what I've said. And I can see that I've wasted my time trying to discuss/understand this, apparently I don't deserve that courtesy. Good to know.
Courtesy? I've listed and disagree, is that so fucking hard to understand?
You said you want only UT to be able to ban people. He didn't ban Mari, so I asked if you want her back.
UT banned marichiko first actually, before you did.
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Sorry I do not know how to embed...
@ Nirvana, if you quote this post you can see the format.
Wow. A three letter word. Not having attacked other posters today has caused even less intelligence? Let's see how many others such as radar and piercehawkeye45 you can attack today.
Not yet having googled FTR... "For The Reaming?" "Fighting The Rastafarians?"
Hell, tw, Radar, Piercehawkeye, and you are about all equally attackable. In your particular case it is perhaps the most needful, as your intellect is entirely consumed by hatreds and resentments -- what's left is leftover Soviet propaganda about these United States from which you will not exile yourself. You show us a thoroughly ugly life of the mind -- a way never to be.
Just a question. Since I often say things like 'Dazza says...' does that mean he's within the limits and people can take potshots if they like?
Well, if Dazza says something I think is really dumb and poorly thought out, I'd say so. That's as far as I'd go, in the going-far-out.
Mind you, if they did, he'd probably join the cellar in order to 'clarify his position'. lol
And he'd be welcome. Not only for the intellectual input, but also because he's with-it enough to have married you. No, I ain't foolin'.
Well, if Dazza says something I think is really dumb and poorly thought out, I'd say so. That's as far as I'd go, in the going-far-out.
And he'd be welcome. Not only for the intellectual input, but also because he's with-it enough to have married you. No, I ain't foolin'.
awww...I'm feelng all warm and fuzzy now. Thanks UG. :) Nicest compliment I've had all day!
. . . these things have a way of working themselves out. even if tw isn't banned does anyone actually read his posts anyway?
I'd been wondering who The Third Man was myself.
I have never used the Ignore feature on any BBS I've been in. It was handier on chat.
But to this question: I eyeball a selection of tw to keep an eye on what leftover-Communist, far-left opinion looks like, trying for suitable polarization on the BS filters to compensate for tw's... quirks. Tw's Soviet/Maoist point of view has of course been offensive to me, a freedom person, since first exposure some years ago.
No idea what this guy is going to do with himself when he doesn't have any Bushes to kick around any more. He'll be like the post-Reagan Mary McGrory... that was a sorry display of inability to let go.
{Trying trying trying to get through the whole thread before posting... not doing so hot exc. on the posting part.}
Well there's still GM to beat up. :)
Um... "With courage raaaaare/And resolution ma-anly/For Debt prepaaaare,/Unhappy Morgan Stanley!"
Big business/high finance/big bailouts... that's the free-association...
And if anyone's moved to wonder since when has UG turned Savoyard enough to quote Arthur Sullivan -- since late last year. Now I'm in early rehearsal for The Gondoliers.
"Security and prosperity at home depend on the expansion of liberty abroad." George W. Bush's Farewell Address, 15 January 2009
Practically Holy Writ.
Truer words were never spoken -- and such true words have been severely ignored by certain Cellarites, who put themselves in disgrace thereby. Hey, people, blatant anti-Republican prejudice is practiced only by the second-rate. Or worse.
"Security and prosperity at home depend on the expansion of liberty abroad." George W. Bush's Farewell Address, 15 January 2009
Practically Holy Writ.
Truer words were never spoken -- and such true words have been severely ignored by certain Cellarites, who put themselves in disgrace thereby. Hey, people, blatant anti-Republican prejudice is practiced only by the second-rate. Or worse.
"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." Brack Obama Inaugural Address
Practically Holy Writ....we dont have to torture...we dont have to spy on citizens w/o a warrant...we dont have to withhold documents from the public's right to know based on dubious national security claims.
Truer words were never spoken.
Nice if he can, redux. But it was doing things that way that cost us the Beirut Marine Barracks, a hole in the USS Cole, and the WTC in the first place.
The annoying thing about our enemies is they don't have a nation to look out for. This makes targeting difficult -- and nuclear weapons particularly tempting to them. What really got us outgeneraled early in this war was a want of good HUMINT -- it will be the personal kind of scouting and intel that wins us this war.
No, the Democratic Party has refused for long years to actually try and fight this war against the forces of undemocracy and oppression, which is why the Dem Party is so very untrustworthy and not trusted among freedom's disciples. What a pack of myopic morons!
Meanwhile, redux, you don't strike me as irredeemably stupid -- have a look at Thomas P.M. Barnett's works and tell me what you think. Maybe he's only got a corner of what we'll actually need in this new century, but it looks to be a well-done corner. I'm sorry my compliment is so lefthanded -- but there are people here who really seem to want to stay dumb, and these are the people who fight me hardest.
..we dont have to withhold documents from the public's right to know based on dubious national security claims.
If you think this is going to happen under Obama because of a speech you are sorely mistaken. Who gets to say what is dubious and what is not if you never see them nor know if such a document exists?
If you think this is going to happen under Obama because of a speech you are sorely mistaken. Who gets to say what is dubious and what is not if you never see them nor know if such a document exists?
Why am I mistaken before even giving the new admistration an opportuunity to demonstrate greater transparency. Executive Orders are a good start
The annoying thing about our enemies is they don't have a nation to look out for. This makes targeting difficult -- and nuclear weapons particularly tempting to them. What really got us outgeneraled early in this war was a want of good HUMINT -- it will be the personal kind of scouting and intel that wins us this war.
The fact that ouor enemies dont have a nation is a reason why many experts believe that a militry response is not the most effective.
The Rand Corp, a conservative DoD connected think tank, addressed the issue in a recent report:
[A recent RAND research effort sheds light on this issue by investigating how terrorist groups have ended in the past. By analyzing a comprehensive roster of terrorist groups that existed worldwide between 1968 and 2006, the authors found that most groups ended because of operations carried out by local police or intelligence agencies or because they negotiated a settlement with their governments. Military force was rarely the primary reason a terrorist group ended, and few groups within this time frame achieved victory.
These findings suggest that the U.S. approach to countering al Qa'ida has focused far too much on the use of military force. Instead, policing and intelligence should be the backbone of U.S. efforts.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9351/index1.html
UG..you might also recall several NIEs over the last few years that concluded that our Iraq invasion/occupation and our actions at GITMO have created a "cause celebre" for terrorism recruitment.
The military is not always the answer in counterting terrorism and forging new democracies.
Why am I mistaken before even giving the new admistration an opportuunity to demonstrate greater transparency. Executive Orders are a good start
History works against you.
History works against you.
History does not always repeat itself.
But lots of Dwellars do!
Ha ha.
Ha.
Even though you are probably makin fun of me clod - that was good :)
Nah, you weren't even one of the ones I had in mind. Not that I had anyone in particular in mind... ;)
You know, I've been wanting ask about this thread title since it appeared.
Just exactly what of 'his' is Bush going out of. :D
"Security and prosperity at home depend on the expansion of liberty abroad." George W. Bush's Farewell Address, 15 January 2009
Practically Holy Writ.
Truer words were never spoken -- and such true words have been severely ignored by certain Cellarites, who put themselves in disgrace thereby. Hey, people, blatant anti-Republican prejudice is practiced only by the second-rate. Or worse.
"There is no conventional military solution to terrorism. If there were, Israel would be the safest country in the world." ~Bradley Whitford
You know, I've been wanting ask about this thread title since it appeared.
Just exactly what of 'his' is Bush going out of. :D
Office.
I am glad I lived to see it. If God is kind, in 20 years or so, I'll still be around to lay a steaming pile of "respect" on his grave.
"There is no conventional military solution to terrorism. If there were, Israel would be the safest country in the world." ~Bradley Whitford
Which is why most of our efforts have actually been not conventional and many of them effective.
You know, I've been wanting ask about this thread title since it appeared.
Just exactly what of 'his' is Bush going out of. :D
Wow - shows how our brains fill in the gaps. I had to go back and check the thread title - I had no idea a word was missing.
I am glad I lived to see it. If God is kind, in 20 years or so, I'll still be around to lay a steaming pile of "respect" on his grave.
I have a standing date with Trafalgar Squre when Maggie finally hangs up her cloven hooves. I will be there for the party, singing Elvis Costello ("...and when they finally, put you in the ground, I'll stand on your grave, and tramp. The. Dirt down.")
Wow - shows how our brains fill in the gaps. I had to go back and check the thread title - I had no idea a word was missing.
I have a standing date with Trafalgar Squre when Maggie finally hangs up her cloven hooves. I will be there for the party, singing Elvis Costello ("...and when they finally, put you in the ground, I'll stand on your grave, and tramp. The. Dirt down.")
:lol:
What song is that, again?
Tramp the Dirt Down by Elvis Costello :)
In case you're serious
[youtube]K-BZIWSI5UQ[/youtube]
Very serious.
However, having seen it, I am kinda disappointed. I have always liked Elvis Costello, but that isn't his best work.
Still, I appreciate the sentiment.
Which is why most of our efforts have actually been not conventional and many of them effective.
pffftt
Altogether now.... "I ain't gonna work on Maggie's farm no more! No I ain't gonna work on Maggies farm no more!"
and let's finish off with a rousing chorus of "Maggie Thatcher, Milk Snatcher" and a quick burst of "Maggie, Maggie Maggie.....Out! Out! Out!"
Sundae, I think you just flipped some kind of switch in my head...
Well something's flipped. lol
Which is why most of our efforts have actually been not conventional and many of them effective.
For example?
The ones you never get to read about in the papers. Here is a sample list of those publically known.
I do the history surrounding the eventual death and killing of Pablo Esocbar.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0871137836/theatlanticmonthA/
There is a short list of killed and captured on wiki which should be easily substantiated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Most_Wanted_Terrorists
1998 U.S. embassy bombings
http://www.indopedia.org/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings.html
Abu Zubaydah
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/jan-june02/zubaydah_4-2.html
Abu Sabaya
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200703/bowden-jihad
Kaplan nails most of how and why to do it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/interviews/int2003-06-18.htmNice.
On the other hand, the CIA tried to kill Castro 26 times that we know of, including once with an exploding seashell (for Chrissakes).
Also, there's the mess with Allende.
So I'd say we're batting about .200. Not bad, but not Babe Ruth, either.
Well if we go back into the post ww2 era the list would have been much longer. I was trying to stay within the last 2 presidents times in office which included some of my servcie time.
Well if we go back into the post ww2 era the list would have been much longer. I was trying to stay within the last 2 presidents times in office which included some of my servcie time.
???
The post WWII era was a series of unimaginable embarrassments for the CIA. Hell, the late 50s is when they got the nickname "Criminally Insane Activities" by the FBI.
???
The post WWII era was a series of unimaginable embarrassments for the CIA. Hell, the late 50s is when they got the nickname "Criminally Insane Activities" by the FBI.
There was no CIA in the immediate post WWII era. It was not formed until 47 and had no teeth till 48. The FBI called it that because it was based on inter-service rivalry and crossed into areas that were previously only handled by the FBI. In short they were jealous. For every major bungle there were 100's of successful operations.
There was no CIA in the immediate post WWII era. It was not formed until 47 and had no teeth till 48. The FBI called it that because it was based on inter-service rivalry and crossed into areas that were previously only handled by the FBI. In short they were jealous. For every major bungle there were 100's of successful operations.
So, what assassinations are we feeling proud of, between 1945 and 1948?
So, what assassinations are we feeling proud of, between 1945 and 1948?
What assassinanations should we feel proud of under any conditions. You think the CIA was/is nothing more than an assassination squad? I assume this is a rehtorical question so you can bring up the point that the CIA, under the direction of the President, attempted or carried out an assissination or two. BFD. It was the time in history for that thing, like it or not, agree with it or not. What's your point?
You think the CIA was/is nothing more than an assassination squad?
No, I think the CIA fucks all kinds of things up. Cambodia and Laos, for example.
I assume this is a rehtorical question so you can bring up the point that the CIA, under the direction of the President, attempted or carried out an assissination or two.
Naw. Before the 90s, the CIA was totally out of control. After that, it just tortured people.
Naw. Before the 90s, the CIA was totally out of control. After that, it just tortured people.
Who gives a shit. Before 1960 all kinds of shit happened in the world. Let me guess, you actually have ancestors who were involved in some stupid crazy stuff before then. I blame them for the worlds ills.
Who gives a shit.
I accept your surrender.
I accept your surrender.
You fail.
I accept your surrender.
:artist:
Outstanding.
Go get 'em Merc. TGRR has no idea how shitheaded totalitarians are -- it's an occupational disease -- and the CIA has an intimate knowledge of just that very thing. As do the more honest sorts in State.
A hypothetical that TGRR cannot answer: just how fucked up would Laos have gotten without the presence of any communists within its borders? Would Cambodia have even risked loss of a fifth of its population if there were no communists there? Could the CIA have ruined either country?
Go get 'em Merc. TGRR has no idea how shitheaded totalitarians are -- it's an occupational disease -- and the CIA has an intimate knowledge of just that very thing. As do the more honest sorts in State.
A hypothetical that TGRR cannot answer: just how fucked up would Laos have gotten without the presence of any communists within its borders? Would Cambodia have even risked loss of a fifth of its population if there were no communists there? Could the CIA have ruined either country?
Who gives a fuck about Laos? Why was that our responsibility in the first fucking place? We basically charged in, made an ass out of ourselves, got caught, and looked even worse than we did for just the Vietnam thing.
And the gain for America was...what, again?
What would the gain have been had we won? For instance, right off the bat, a Communist International with a crippled morale as well as an impoverished, underperforming economy? Would not communism and its attendant monstrous consequences have fallen the faster? It's nice to think so.
I see you cannot answer the question I posed, or that so far you have made no cogent response to it. If you're going to pretend to answer, couldn't you do a better job? Or is my take on it really that much better than yours? It is my contention that no communists in either country would have allowed much more peace and prosperity to prevail in both Cambodia and Laos. Any disagreement there?
What would the gain have been had we won? For instance, right off the bat, a Communist International with a crippled morale as well as an impoverished, underperforming economy? Would not communism and its attendant monstrous consequences have fallen the faster? It's nice to think so.
And I care...why? I'm not particularly concerned about how idiots in other nations care to screw themselves, or the speed at which they do it.
I see you cannot answer the question I posed, or that so far you have made no cogent response to it. If you're going to pretend to answer, couldn't you do a better job? Or is my take on it really that much better than yours? It is my contention that no communists in either country would have allowed much more peace and prosperity to prevail in both Cambodia and Laos. Any disagreement there?
No disagreement, because I really don't care enough about either nation to have an opinion on the subject. Both of them could burn down and slide into the ocean, for all I care. In any case, neither of them was worth a single American life, or a single American dollar...or the embarrassment of utter failure (again) by the CIA. Really, I have no idea how we ever showed our face around the Brits and the Russians.
I have no idea how we ever showed our face around the Brits and the Russians.
Because, as stupid as the CIA are, they probably didn't actively try to put Al-Qaeda linked groups in charge of a country running a secret WMD program. Qaddafi has long been our own little Castro, only much more amusing, I'm not even sure why we'd want to kill him. Listening to him babble about "Greater Libya" is almost worth it on its own.
Because, as stupid as the CIA are,
That statement alone is worth a :lol2:
Because, as stupid as the CIA are, they probably didn't actively try to put Al-Qaeda linked groups in charge of a country running a secret WMD program. Qaddafi has long been our own little Castro, only much more amusing, I'm not even sure why we'd want to kill him. Listening to him babble about "Greater Libya" is almost worth it on its own.
Khaddafy was the funniest enemy we ever had.
Why can't he go totally apeshit, like he did back in the Reagan days?
That statement alone is worth a :lol2:
Dude, they really are morons. They're basically Harvard prettyboys that couldn't get hired in the real world.