Isolated Tracks

Flint • Dec 15, 2008 11:24 pm
What gems can you find?

I stumbled upon this testing out my new Bose desktop speakers. DO NOT TURN IT UP LOUD.
It is an isolated track, everything but the bass guitar is pulled completely out of the mix.
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What can I say about this?
"Goddamnit baby you know I ain't lyin' to ya--I'm only gonna tell you one time--AAAAAAyea-ah!"
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Undertoad • Dec 16, 2008 9:12 am
Gawd Entwhistle is glorious. I've never heard better playing on a song I hate. As somebody said on the comments, take out the rest of those guys and the song is actually pretty good.

There's a Baba O'Riley isolation track too and here we can all see how much the guy's talents were wasted on two-chord songs. We've played Baba before and I can't tell you how boring it is to play. I'm sure Entwhistle added all those fancy flourishes just so he wouldn't be bored.
Flint • Dec 16, 2008 11:30 am
Undertoad;514074 wrote:
I'm sure Entwhistle added all those fancy flourishes just so he wouldn't be bored.
I got the same impression; but what's amazing is that he does it in such a way as to not call attention to what he's doing. He's sneaking activity into places in the song where it won't be heard as an individual instrument. Much the same way that "ghosted" snare notes can build a groove while being practically inaudible, or the rich, even undertones of a ride cymbal can provide a "cushion" for the band to float on top of.

But more than that, as you've mentioned about Entwhistle before, he has to add "glue" to help stick the other instruments together. It's team playing.
dar512 • Dec 16, 2008 12:40 pm
@Flint - Have you considered drumming in a jazz group -- and moving to Chicago? :D
glatt • Dec 16, 2008 12:58 pm
Flint;514031 wrote:
Isolated Tracks
What gems can you find?
Cicero • Dec 16, 2008 1:21 pm
I am trying to isolate sounds with "audacity". If someone knows how to do this let me know. :)

I really haven't had enough time to play with it, so if someone can give a quick and easy answer, that would be awesome!
glatt • Dec 16, 2008 1:24 pm
Cicero;514134 wrote:
I am trying to isolate sounds with "audacity". If someone knows how to do this let me know. :)

I really haven't had enough time to play with it, so if someone can give a quick and easy answer, that would be awesome!


It's been a few months since I used it, but I don't remember anything that would let you do that easily or with much success.
Cicero • Dec 16, 2008 1:34 pm
Hmm....Well that's why I got it, so my search for freeware should continue.

It's working ok for now, but at some point I will want to isolate certain sounds...darn. I thought it was "the one" and I wasn't using it right.


Maybe new speakers at some point, are in order, and I will have more options.
Thnx glatt. :)
Clodfobble • Dec 16, 2008 1:35 pm
If you're talking about two sounds that play on top of one another... That's really hard. If you have a copy of the *exact* sound that you want to get RID of, you can invert that waveform, line it up perfectly with the first audiofile, and the sounds will cancel each other out, in theory leaving you with the sound you want. But the realistic answer is, there's no way to do it even with the fanciest of plugins.
Cicero • Dec 16, 2008 1:48 pm
Thanks. At least that inspired me to find something else I needed that I hadn't thought about. ;)
Pie • Dec 16, 2008 2:21 pm
I hate to sound like an absolute moron (and yet I do it so well!) -- what song is that?
glatt • Dec 16, 2008 2:34 pm
The second one is Running With The Devil

Don't know what the first one is.
Pie • Dec 16, 2008 2:39 pm
Thanks, Glatt -- I meant the first one! :p
glatt • Dec 16, 2008 2:41 pm
Yeah, I know. But you looked lonely in the moron corner, so I thought I would join you.
Undertoad • Dec 16, 2008 2:42 pm
Won't Get Fooled Again - The Who
Pie • Dec 16, 2008 2:48 pm
Aha. I recognize it now. I will have to listen for that lovely subtlety next time i hear it.

Thanks, UT!
Undertoad • Dec 16, 2008 2:49 pm
Listened to it again, maybe the most amazing thing is that he's a metronome, precisely on the beat. I think what I said before is that he had to be brilliant to keep Keith Moon on track. Somebody had to be the responsible one in that pair.
Elspode • Dec 16, 2008 5:33 pm
I've probably mentioned this before, but Entwistle is probably the single biggest reason I ever picked up a guitar, let alone a bass.

I don't play as *well* as he did, and I never will, but the way he played is always in my mind when I'm playing bass. Always.

Edit: Now that I've watched it in its entirety, I want to tell Flint "Thanks!" from the deepest place in my heart. That was freaking amazing. Entwistle was always such a rhythm section unto himself, and seeing him isolated like this playing a song that I know like I know my own jock itch only serves to make me more in awe of his apparently effortless abilities.

Fuck. Me. I've just had a religious musical experience.
Elspode • Dec 16, 2008 5:47 pm
Undertoad;514184 wrote:
Listened to it again, maybe the most amazing thing is that he's a metronome, precisely on the beat. I think what I said before is that he had to be brilliant to keep Keith Moon on track. Somebody had to be the responsible one in that pair.


Something I realized early on was that Entwistle and Moon (and let me qualify this...I've been a Who fan since I first heard them when I was 10...and I'm 52 now) had *so much* going on as the rhythm section that it let Pete and Roger *appear* to be doing so much more than they really were as the front guys, it was uncanny.

The Who always got more sound as an essentially three piece band than any other group before or since. The reason was the incredible complexity/subtlety/brilliance of Entwistle and Moon...not that Pete and Roger weren't awesome, because they were.
smoothmoniker • Dec 17, 2008 8:05 am
Just imagine how great they would have been if we could have used ProTools and Autotune to tweak the living hell out every last note!