Global Cooling
Well, it's not really cooling is it?
When you read the article it's only .14 degrees celcius cooler and certainly no indication of a trend towards lower temps.
Nice try though. ;)
Thank the Gods! The Global Warming hoax is finally put to rest by a single year of data. Who'd have thought?
Not only that, but it rained yesterday, and we got almost 3 mm. The drought has broken! :p
Floods are coming! No, wait, drought is impending!
Whatever makes me more grant money...
Its a start - thats for sure - then again....
Blame it on Bush
Its a start - thats for sure - then again....
Blame it on Bush
I do, entirely. Well until the 20th of Jan anyway.
I wish Bush's damage would stop at January 20th, but I afraid it will linger for a very long time.:(
Finally. The sky is falling. Deep down, we all knew it had to happen.
I feel an ice age coming on.
Catch up, they're already up to
Ice Age 3. :haha:
Those movies are so funny. Probably my favourite animated films besides The Lion King series.
I wish Bush's damage would stop at January 20th, but I afraid it will linger for a very long time.:(
If by damage you mean the democratization and the necessary liberalization of Middle Eastern nations, roll on damage, far and fast and forever! One of these days, Bruce, you're going to wake up and realize you would not live, nor even likely survive, the kind of social order our foes within Islam want to promulgate, and have said so.
Trouble is, while good liberals want these people defeated for their undemocratic ways, their fascist ideals, their insistence that virtue in societies ended about 700 AD, and their abuse of all womankind along with a general absence of civil rights, all owing to a determined effort to graft Throne to Altar and Altar to Throne -- the liberals in the Cellar mostly aren't any good at all. If they were good, classical liberals, they'd sound much more like me than they do, and they'd quit bitching at me for showing them good -- and how different good is from what they're doing right now. Our foes are undemocratic shits and rabid dogs, and therefore must die and become extinct. The people disputing this point with me are fascist sympathizers without faith in the goodness of democracy because their education has been completely inadequate, and their thought crippled or else made totalitarian, not liberal at all. In any case, our foes, if given the chance, would capture and behead the whole bunch. They've explicitly said as much.
Bush won't get much credit immediately, but there are those serious thinkers noting that he may end up being the Truman for the GWOT: he fought the early part of the fight, and set up the conditions and set the movements in motion to produce the eventual win of the civilized over the undemocratic. No thanks whatsoever to the people here who object to our actually fighting the war. None -- thanks for bupkis, you dopes.
Those movies are so funny. Probably my favourite animated films besides The Lion King series.
The next one, the Scrat gets a girlfriend. Couldn't happen to a more deserving rodent.
Fuck the Middle East, the damage he's done right here at home is a hanging offense.
Funny how people SAY he's busting the Bill of Rights, but can't SHOW any actual instance of American citizens' rights being trammeled over the last two Presidential terms. They can't name an American citizen languishing in jail on GWB's say-so. With homework, they could probably name some POWs we've got caged. Fifty of the POWs released since their capture on the field of battle, incidentally, are back at shooting at American, that is humanity's, forces again. Poor bargain, eh?
So no, I do not subscribe to this left-wing shibboleth. If you've a lick of sense, do the same.
No hanging is called for, not by the knowledgeable. Only by the left-herdthink dildoes.
You know what a dildo is, right? It's a dick. A fake dick. A fake plastic dick with no balls. Leftists are why I'm not a leftist. I'm just not convinced they can achieve a coherent thought that is also grounded in the real.
Strike two. Try the economy, debt, and environment. :rolleyes:
Those movies are so funny. Probably my favourite animated films besides The Lion King series.
[temporary]Ali, you have to see the Broadway version of Lion King. I saw a touring show in Columbus. It was absolutely one of the most stunning things I've ever seen. And I've seen a few things. That is all.[/hijack]
:)
If by damage you mean the democratization and the necessary liberalization of Middle Eastern nations, roll on damage, far and fast and forever! One of these days, Bruce, you're going to wake up and realize you would not live, nor even likely survive, the kind of social order our foes within Islam want to promulgate, and have said so.
I'll be so glad when our nation is utterly bankrupt, our young people are dead or maimed, and those pesky Middle Easterners are finally put in their place once and for all. Soon, they shall see the error of their ways. Look at all the other successes we've had forcing Democracy and stability on all those other radical nations out there.
Yup, gonna be great.
back on topic:
solar minimum 2008
some claim it's a bit more
minimum this time 'round and thus a bit cooler, too.
back on topic:
some claim it's a bit more minimum this time 'round and thus a bit cooler, too.
Who are some and where did it say that? Is there another article?
Snowing in Vegas...
The heaviest Arctic blast in nearly three decades has coated the normally sunny city.
Darryl and Maria Roberts' children, ages 8, 10 and 16, were ecstatic to build their first snowman. "They had never seen snow," said their father, who contributed a video to iReport of the kids playing. "They made snow angels for a couple of hours."
We're 'sposed to catch a big one tomorrow!
Another wintry mix for us... yay... :headshake
82 in Savannah yesterday. Pretty damm hot for Dec in Georgia. It's Al Gores fault for inventing the internet and global warming.
Yeah, same here Merc. We had a cold front come through a few days ago and it actually froze overnight once--but this morning it's already 75 (and muggy as hell.)
We're 'sposed to catch a big one tomorrow!
Are catching big one now. It took an hour to get home from work.
At least everyone in the North East is getting it. But for some of us, it's just a nasty cold rain.
Crappy freezing rain last night...but this a.m. wasn't too bad. It's supposed to get up near 50 before it drops to twenty-something tonight.
Summer, get here if you can.
Crappy freezing rain last night...but this a.m. wasn't too bad. It's supposed to get up near 50 before it drops to twenty-something tonight.
Summer, get here if you can.
Winter
starts in two days.
Crud.
Don't make me cross with you. ;)
We've got about 8" on the ground right now. Pete had the XC skis out for a bit. I need to swap some bindings before I can play.
Fifty of the POWs released since their capture on the field of battle, incidentally, are back at shooting at American
cite?
Thank the Gods! The Global Warming hoax is finally put to rest by a single year of data. Who'd have thought?
LOL! It seems many can't tell the difference between the weather and the climate and are too dim to realize colder winters is a sign of global warming.
Funny how people SAY he's busting the Bill of Rights, but can't SHOW any actual instance of American citizens' rights being trammeled over the last two Presidential terms. They can't name an American citizen languishing in jail on GWB's say-so. With homework, they could probably name some POWs we've got caged. Fifty of the POWs released since their capture on the field of battle, incidentally, are back at shooting at American, that is humanity's, forces again. Poor bargain, eh?
So no, I do not subscribe to this left-wing shibboleth. If you've a lick of sense, do the same.
No hanging is called for, not by the knowledgeable. Only by the left-herdthink dildoes.
You know what a dildo is, right? It's a dick. A fake dick. A fake plastic dick with no balls. Leftists are why I'm not a leftist. I'm just not convinced they can achieve a coherent thought that is also grounded in the real.
Hey douchebag, each and every single American who had a conversation listened to by government, and their rights violated. Each and every single American who was stopped at an airport or told they couldn't fly because they were on a list, had their rights violated.
You want to know the names of Americans who were locked up without charges? Try Jose Padilla numbnuts. He's an American citizen who languished in jail for years without access to a lawyer, without being charged with a crime, while being tortured, etc.
Also, it doesn't matter if they are American citizens or not. All people are entitled to the same level of due process regardless of where they are from.
You are certainly no dildo. You are a real, genuine, dick.
Strike two. Try the economy, debt, and environment. :rolleyes:
Environment?? Hohohoho -- for all the yelling about it from anti-Republicans (so consider the source, always) you just don't see actual environmental degradation. The numbers aren't there, you know. Or you should. You do see some effort at reducing the cost of doing business, which is something that always has to be done. Particularly as a check and balance to the urge to micromanage and regulate and overregulate.
Debt?? Hahahahaha -- look at Bill Clinton. There is considerable doubt among the knowledgeable that the national debt improved, or that there was any actual surplus. Nongovernmental debt is of course not subject to government control, save of the crudest sort of intervention, which even with the Democrats rampant doesn't look to happen either.
Economy?? Heheheheheh. The kind of mentality that says "George Did It" is the same mentality that credits Bill Clinton with the boom years of the 1990s. Consider, again, the source -- is not the source the same antiRepublican dickheads I've already dismissed as unworthy of attention and unlikely to get it right? I am persuaded that there's very little a President can actually do that influences an economy, positively or negatively. The market, it appears, works to laws entirely independent of anybody's politics. So no, I'm too well advised to have that kind of mentality.
Three strikes to you, Bruce. Quit believing leftist shibboleths and your intellect will shine. Leftism is a bad religion. I don't whore after so false a god.
Still clueless after all these years. :rolleyes: Stick to something within your grasp, like bagpipes and knives.
Hey douchebag,
Hmm, what a prize example of Radar's capacity for good manners, maturity, and compassion, eh? Always the low road with dear old Paul. Son, you're about as capable of compassion as you are of respect, and you're growing daily shorter on manners.
Also, it doesn't matter if they are American citizens or not. All people are entitled to the same level of due process regardless of where they are from.
You are certainly no dildo. You are a real, genuine, dick.
When you see a man who can better identify real tyrants and totalitarians than you can, you inform him he's a dick. Sooo mature of you -- and such brilliant advocacy of libertarian, democratic social orders. Well, Radar, your writings reveal a very evil, totalitarian-loving, domineering schmuck whose ideas should not even be accepted by himself, for their moral vacuity and misplaced concerns. When someone shows vertebracy and independence and good judgement enough to disagree with your ideas, you immediately and invariably get pissy. Not exactly persuasive of a first-rate mind at work, Paul.
The prisoners have POW rights. There's damned little call for anything else, and the present efforts at the anything else are ill advised. Not being American citizens nor, quite bluntly, charged with crimes under American law or committed within American jurisdiction, this leftist-originated legal theory seems to me full of holes. It originates, remember, from the people who don't want us to win this. People who would hand an undeserved victory to our opposition, some of the nastiest and most illiberal bastards this planet can produce, as anyone reading either the bastards or the anti-Republicans can see. So, keep them caged until the war's over. You may have noticed that, with zero antitotalitarian effort from you, that we're turning it around over there. Counterinsurgencies are always slow things, as they require demographic changes -- a people must cease to allow guerrillas to swim among them as fish in a sea.
Still clueless after all these years. :rolleyes: Stick to something within your grasp, like bagpipes and knives.
Still dodging enlightenment, eh Bruce? You know, the only way you can continue to wallow in your present darkness is by pretending I'm either crazy or that I know nothing. It won't work, for I always think despite any pretenses on your part, and the day of enlightenment draws closer.
Can you really even call this a rebuttal? Manifestly you think it is... and once again I'm reminded of why I can't be a leftist. They don't
think well enough.
Hey douchebag, each and every single American who had a conversation listened to by government, and their rights violated. Each and every single American who was stopped at an airport or told they couldn't fly because they were on a list, had their rights violated.
You want to know the names of Americans who were locked up without charges? Try Jose Padilla numbnuts. He's an American citizen who languished in jail for years without access to a lawyer, without being charged with a crime, while being tortured, etc.
Also, it doesn't matter if they are American citizens or not. All people are entitled to the same level of due process regardless of where they are from.
You are certainly no dildo. You are a real, genuine, dick.
:lol2:
:Flush:
5-Day Forecast for Savannah, Georgia
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday
High l Low
54° F | 47° F
72° F | 59° F
74° F | 54° F
70° F | 52° F
76° F | 54° F
You all can keep your cold weather and snow. Must be fun sleeping in the airport. Thanks. :lol2:
2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved
First, all over the world, temperatures have been dropping in a way wholly unpredicted by all those computer models which have been used as the main drivers of the scare. Last winter, as temperatures plummeted, many parts of the world had snowfalls on a scale not seen for decades. This winter, with the whole of Canada and half the US under snow, looks likely to be even worse. After several years flat lining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century.
Ever shriller and more frantic has become the insistence of the warmists, cheered on by their army of media groupies such as the BBC, that the last 10 years have been the "hottest in history" and that the North Pole would soon be ice-free – as the poles remain defiantly icebound and those polar bears fail to drown. All those hysterical predictions that we are seeing more droughts and hurricanes than ever before have infuriatingly failed to materialize.
Even the more cautious scientific acolytes of the official orthodoxy now admit that, thanks to "natural factors" such as ocean currents, temperatures have failed to rise as predicted (although they plaintively assure us that this cooling effect is merely "masking the underlying warming trend", and that the temperature rise will resume worse than ever by the middle of the next decade)
Secondly, 2008 was the year when any pretence that there was a "scientific consensus" in favour of man-made global warming collapsed. At long last, as in the Manhattan Declaration last March, hundreds of proper scientists, including many of the world's most eminent climate experts, have been rallying to pour scorn on that "consensus" which was only a politically engineered artefact, based on ever more blatantly manipulated data and computer models programmed to produce no more than convenient fictions.
Thirdly, as banks collapsed and the global economy plunged into its worst recession for decades, harsh reality at last began to break in on those self-deluding dreams which have for so long possessed almost every politician in the western world. As we saw in this month's Poznan conference, when 10,000 politicians, officials and "environmentalists" gathered to plan next year's "son of Kyoto" treaty in Copenhagen, panicking politicians are waking up to the fact that the world can no longer afford all those quixotic schemes for "combating climate change" with which they were so happy to indulge themselves in more comfortable times.
Very interesting read. Finally someone willing to put it on paper.
However, I must say that the 60 f temp here today broke a record and it has been rather warm. Then again 2008 was a very "cool" summer here as well.
I dissected that article and didn't find it convincing. The current cooling is 1-2 years of temps cooler than the average of the last 20 years. If you believe in Hansen's modeling of measured temps that makes 2008 the something like 14th-warmest in the last 100 years.
He says it disproves IPCC predictions, but I can't find any such predictions that just cover one year.
All we have is another interesting data point. We now wait for more data points.
I agree with Undertoad, this is just another data point.
The reason why climate is predicted by the mathematical model "Chaos Theory" is because it is determined by a very large number of sensitive variables. Any number of events could have triggered the extreme cold of the recent years.
The article also seemed to base it opinions on extreme temperatures, which is quite possibly the worse possible method for temperatures. Look at record high and lows for this month. The years do not make any sense and you can never make a prediction from those. That is why global averages over a period of decades (preferably centuries or longer) are used. We can find trends in those.
Hell, I bet you can find an extremely hot year in the "Little Ice Age". That doesn't mean that the event ended that year. It just means that there was a very hot year. This could quite easily be the same so the article title is completely ridiculous. But, that also means that he could potentially be right....
Though, if you look at Christopher Booker's history of journalism, you can easily find that it is squeaky clean...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker#CriticismThe stock market is up today.
The recession is obviously over.
EU's new figurehead believes climate change is a myth
The European Union's new figurehead believes that climate change is a dangerous myth and has compared the union to a Communist state.
The views of President Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic, 67, have left the government of Mirek Topolanek, his bitter opponent, determined to keep him as far away as possible from the EU presidency, which it took over from France yesterday.
The Czech president, who caused a diplomatic incident by dining with opponents of the EU’s Lisbon treaty on a recent visit to Ireland, has a largely ceremonial role.
But there are already fears that, after the dynamic EU presidency of Nicolas Sarkozy - including his hyper-active attempts at international diplomacy over the credit crisis and Georgia as well as an historic agreement to cut greenhouse gases - the Czech effort will be mired in infighting and overshadowed by the platform it will give to Mr Klaus and his controversial views.
Czech diplomats in Brussels insist that Mr Klaus is not a big part of their plans and are trying to limit him to one speech to the European Parliament in February and chairing one international summit, either the EU-Canada or EU-Russia meeting.
They are pinning their hopes on a lunch between Mr Klaus and Mr Topolanek on January 5, which they hope will see both parties agree a truce after the President’s unsuccessful attempt to unseat his rival as Prime Minister at a party conference last month.
“What is sure is that there will be at least a little choir of voices coming from Prague that will not be singing the same song,” said Piotr Kaczynski, of the Centre for European Policy Studies in Brussels.
“It will probably not impact the way the Czechs will manage the work of the EU presidency. It will however have some negative impact on the political leverage of the Czech presidency,” he added.
Tensions recently erupted between Mr Klaus and Brussels when a private meeting with senior MEPs descended into a slanging match after they presented him with an EU flag and said that they were not interested in his Eurosceptic views.
Mr Klaus responded: “No one has spoken to me in this style and tone in my six years here. I thought these methods ended for us 18 years ago. I see I was wrong.”
Are you serious Classicman? Do you even read what you post or least do some research behind it? What are you trying to get out of this?
The same goes for the thing you posted in the Gaza/Israel thread? I still can't tell if that was satire or not.
The obvious point is that not everyone buys the notion that things are what they seem when it comes to global warming. Including important people in large important organizations.
Yeah, just like Al Gore was an important part to an important organization?
Vaclav Klaus is a crackpot. He is no different from Al Gore except he doesn't believe in global warming instead of believing in it. If anyone posted Al Gore as a legitimate argument for global warming, you and others would laugh them out of the Cellar and then you consider Vaclav Klaus an important figure for something you believe in.
Hell....this guy even tracked down Al Gore so he could debate him in global warming. That must have been a sight.....
What are his arguments? I could find politicians that don't believe in evolution as well. Until this guy can beat environmental scientists in a debate, he has really no authority in the matter.
None of that changes the fact that the issue remains controversial and there are many "experts" that disagree. The difference between you and me and people like Klaus and Gore are that they have access to the political stage and therefore a voice to the masses, regardless of your views as to their capacity to present a rational view you agree with.
Do you want me to quote him on global warming?
Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so.
How is that a rational argument? I know everyone on this forum that has said "[insert issue] is [insert stance] and every intelligent person thinks so" is not respected as rational.
It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor.
Other top-level politicians do not express their global warming doubts because a whip of political correctness strangles their voice.
Perhaps only Mr Al Gore may be saying something along these lines: a sane person can't. I don't see any ruining of the planet, I have never seen it, and I don't think that a reasonable and serious person could say such a thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction_event
Environmentalism as a metaphysical ideology and as a worldview has absolutely nothing to do with natural sciences or with the climate. Sadly, it has nothing to do with social sciences either. Still, it is becoming fashionable and this fact scares me.
http://newsbusters.org/node/10773
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1899
These are not rational arguments. I've read his argument and it doesn't give one real argument on how global warming is false.
I never said it was rational, only that he has the ability to speak to large groups of people who want to agree with him. And they will.
Michael Gillard and Mark Olden
A PIONEERING climate change project in Africa run by Robin Birley, the socialite, has been accused by the European commission, its main donor, of making unsubstantiated claims about its environmental impact.
The project has received more than £1m in public grants and money from celebrities in the music and film business. They include Ronnie Wood of the Rolling Stones and Brad Pitt, the actor.
The project attempts to offset an individual’s carbon footprint by paying poor farmers in Mozambique to plant trees, which absorb CO2, and to protect existing forests.
The commission’s criticism comes amid increased concern about the worth of these fashionable but largely unregulated carbon offset schemes. Critics say it is almost impossible to guarantee that the trees will survive the length of time needed to offset any significant carbon emissions.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5439366.eceThat's OK, as long as there aren't any international or in our case even national plan to do something, I don't see a problem with private projects unless someone can show they are actually doing harm.
Of course I wouldn't want to see Brad & Ronnie bilked. :rotflol:
Vaclav Klaus is a crackpot.
That's not the point. The point is he is in a high profile position and therefore able to expose a shitload of people to his opinion, right or wrong.
Are you serious Classicman? Do you even read what you post or least do some research behind it? What are you trying to get out of this?
Yes, yes & yes. Nothing at all, just some discussion. I think Bruce understood the point completely as he laid out in the previous post.
The same goes for the thing you posted in the Gaza/Israel thread? I still can't tell if that was satire or not.
Deal with that issue in that thread.
Another voice.
S. Frederick Singer, who holds PhD in Physics from Princeton University, was a Special adviser to President Eisenhower on space developments, a professor of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia, and co-author of Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years.
In this New York Times bestseller, authors Singer and co-author Avery present the compelling concept that global temperatures have been rising mostly or entirely because of a natural cycle. Using historic data from two millennia of recorded history combined with natural physical records, they argue that the 1,500 year natural sunspot magnetic waves cycle that has always controlled the earth's climate remains the driving force in the current warming trend. Man created carbon dioxide has very little effect on the earth's climate.
Since the 1,500 year cycle was discovered in the early 1980's it's general characteristics have been confirmed by measurements in: tree rings (living, preserved and fossilized), pollen, coral, glaciers, boreholes, stalagmites, tree lines, and sea sediments. The most recent cycles have been recorded in human history with forced migrations, starvation, and disease during the cold portion of the cycle and greater population, expanded farm land, greater crop variety, and extra building during the warm portion.
The causes of the 1,500 year cycle are not well understood although 600 of them have been identified in the last million years. This permits the authors to be relatively confident that we have been moving into the warm phase of the cycle for the last 150 years. It also suggests that we may have one or two degrees more warming if we are to get to the typical high of the warm phase.
I still think we should be doing everything we can to regain energy Independence on political grounds... now, more than ever.
I have to agree Bruce. It only takes one to examine the crisis over the dispute between Russia, the Ukraine, and the EU to see the extreme potential to manipulate others with the natural resources. Chavez's weak attempt to do that to the US was met with failure and he is now, thankfully, paying the price for it.
And now we have this:
President 'has four years to save Earth'
Barack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of Nasa scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new president could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/18/jim-hansen-obamaHansen is the leading climate scientist in the G.W. conversation. He's not really studied up on international politics though.
This bit is in his full interview linked from the article:
Last week, however, Hansen revealed his findings for 2008 which show, surprisingly, that last year was the coolest this century, although still hot by standards of the 20th century. The finding will doubtless be seized on by climate change deniers, for whom Hansen is a particular hate figure, and used as "evidence" that global warming is a hoax.
However, deniers should show caution, Hansen insisted: most of the planet was exceptionally warm last year. Only a strong La Niña - a vast cooling of the Pacific that occurs every few years - brought down the average temperature. La Niña would not persist, he said. "Before the end of Obama's first term, we will be seeing new record temperatures. I can promise the president that."
I like predictions like that. We will see soon enough.
Not sure why the opposite effect, El Niño, is not blamed for global warming if La Niña is blamed for global cooling. El Niños have happened a lot recently. There was a particularly strong one in 1998 which is considered the warmest year in the last decade...
Also, Al Gore's movie told us that that G.W. will change ocean currents, not that ocean currents will change G.W. This was meant to tell us that localized cooling, which certainly does happen, is evidence of overall warming.
It will interesting to see what changes the new administration is going to foist onto an already crumbling industry in this country. There is still a lot of talk about carbon credits and swaps which I think is a bunch of goblygoop.
Czech president attacks Al Gore's climate campaign
Czech President Vaclav Klaus took aim at climate change campaigner Al Gore on Saturday in Davos in a frontal attack on the science of global warming.
"I don't think that there is any global warming," said the 67-year-old liberal, whose country holds the rotating presidency of the European Union. "I don't see the statistical data for that."
Referring to the former US vice president, who attended Davos this year, he added: "I'm very sorry that some people like Al Gore are not ready to listen to the competing theories. I do listen to them.
"Environmentalism and the global warming alarmism is challenging our freedom. Al Gore is an important person in this movement."
Speaking on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum, he said that he was more worried about the reaction to the perceived dangers than the consequences.
"I'm afraid that the current crisis will be misused for radically constraining the functioning of the markets and market economy all around the world," he said.
"I'm more afraid of the consequences of the crisis than the crisis itself."
Klaus makes no secret of his climate change scepticism -- he is also a fierce critic of the European Union -- and has branded the world's top panel of climate experts, the UN's IPCC, a smug monopoly.
I don't know squat about this guy, but there seem to be more people willing to speak out about the possibility that Al Gore may be a fraud.
Gore had to reinvent himself. He had no choice. He basically failed as a politician in his own right so this keeps him on the lecture circuit and keeps cash in his pocket. Pretty good shtick if you can get it.
I hardly think
Al Gore was a failure as a politician. He was the VP for 8 years, and had along history prior to that. I think he's a bit extreme, an alarmist (maybe he learned that from the R's) and I disagree with him on a lot of things, but a failure? Did you see how much this guy makes? I don't think he could be considered a failure. Yes he lost against W, but there are a few who still believe he actually won that election.
I hardly think Al Gore was a failure as a politician. He was the VP for 8 years, and had along history prior to that. I think he's a bit extreme, an alarmist (maybe he learned that from the R's) and I disagree with him on a lot of things, but a failure? Did you see how much this guy makes? I don't think he could be considered a failure. Yes he lost against W, but there are a few who still believe he actually won that election.
I don't support those notions.
ok then define "failure" in terms relating to Al Gore please. You may differ with his opinions, as I do in many cases, but a failure - how?
Well global warming causes extreme weather and climate change, right? Isn't the argument that ALL weather will become more extreme, including colder temperatures in some places in winter? I'm not a scientist, so I don't know. I'm asking. I don't know what the science is, but I do believe in global warming.
I like Al gore and I don't believe he was a failure.
I dislike Al Gore and I don't think he was a failure.
Well global warming causes extreme weather and climate change, right? Isn't the argument that ALL weather will become more extreme, including colder temperatures in some places in winter? I'm not a scientist, so I don't know. I'm asking. I don't know what the science is, but I do believe in global warming.
There is no question that the temperatures vary from warm to cool. The issue is how responsible are humans for that change, if at all.
I don't know squat about this guy, but there seem to be more people willing to speak out about the possibility that Al Gore may be a fraud.
I think that is the same guy you posted earlier. If so, he is a quack....like Gore.
You know, if global warming is caused by man, then we have to try and repair the damage. I'm sure no one disagrees with that, but what about if it's not caused by man? Should we just go ahead and let it happen or just accept that it's not our fault and ignore it. If so, why don't we just ignore it anyway?
We adapt. The reasons why we can't just ignore global warming is because it effects every aspect of our life. If the climate changes, most farmers will need to start planting new crops, ecosystems will change and maybe fail, weather patterns will change, etc.
So even if it's just a natural course of events we should try to stop it?
Yes Ali, we should try to change the natural course of the planet.
We can't stop it. I am saying that climate change is unpreferable so we should try to limit what we are doing. If we do have an impact on the environment, we should try to limit it but that is all we can do. Climate change is happening and we need to adapt. It is starting to happen and I do know people in that business, they will have great job security soon.
Climate change is always happening...and human beings survived it before without all the technology we have now.
I am building an underground bunker, anyone want to join me?
Will there be sugary stuff in it? lol
Climate change is always happening...and human beings survived it before without all the technology we have now.
Yes, but our global economy wasn't as dependent on the climate as it is now. One major drought can effect billions.
or flood, or icestorm, or heatwave...
As you said, humans adapt. If they don't they die.
I'd like a ticket merc - please
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Climate change is always happening...and human beings survived it before without all the technology we have now.
Doesn't mean it was pleasant. Also doesn't mean we can survive the next one. We know more, but we also put a lot more stress on the planet these days.
As with every global change there will be bad things AND good things that come of it. We never hear about the good things.
Bad: sections of the planet become unlivable.
Good: other sections of the planet become livable!
Bad: sea level rise.
Good: Manhattan streets finally clean!
Bad: no ice platforms for polar bears to fish from.
Good: overfishing is a problem anyway!
Bad: change in ocean currents put Britain into permafrost.
Good: George Galloway finally shuts up!
Bad: Alaskan caribou lose homeland.
Good: We can finally drill for oil there!
As with every global change there will be bad things AND good things that come of it. We never hear about the good things.
Bad: sections of the planet become unlivable.
Good: other sections of the planet become livable!
Bad: sea level rise.
Good: Manhattan streets finally clean!
Bad: no ice platforms for polar bears to fish from.
Good: overfishing is a problem anyway!
Bad: change in ocean currents put Britain into permafrost.
Good: George Galloway finally shuts up!
Bad: Alaskan caribou lose homeland.
Good: We can finally drill for oil there!
Hahahahaha
You know, if global warming is caused by man, then we have to try and repair the damage. I'm sure no one disagrees with that, but what about if it's not caused by man? Should we just go ahead and let it happen or just accept that it's not our fault and ignore it. If so, why don't we just ignore it anyway?
You know, regardless of whether or not human beings are playing a part in global warming (which I believe we definitely are), there are other reasons to try to curtail our output of co2, like health reasons. My god, it used to sicken me driving on the freeway in LA. The smell of all that burning gasoline made me literally ill. And I can smell it here in Savannah too. So it isn't just big cities where there is this impact.
In addition, what about that huge spill at the coal plant last month? Or the oil spills in the oceans? Or the strip mining, which releases all kinds of heavy metals into the environment?
The truth is, as a species, we are not very efficient at getting our needs met in a way that isn't harmful. Don't you all want clean air to breathe? And fresh water to drink, and nutritious food to eat? We NEED to reduce our impact on the environment.
Will there be sugary stuff in it? lol
There will a dungeon, with all kinds of toys. If you're good, I'm sure there will be fun stuff to eat and drink. ;)
Bad: sections of the planet become unlivable.
Good: other sections of the planet become livable!
The rest of your points were clearly jokes, so I'm only going to address this one, which some people might consider to be true.
Let's take Baffin Island for an example. It's cold and desolate now. If it gets warmer, you might think that people would be able to live there more than they do now.
But if you look at pictures, even after it warms up, it will be gravel. Warm gravel instead of cold gravel. It takes hundreds of thousands of years for gravel to turn into soil with organic material in it.
This was the lushest picture of Baffin Island I could find.
Don't you all want clean air to breathe? And fresh water to drink, and nutritious food to eat?
And spotted owls... (J/K - I owed ya one :D)
Good lord Glatt what do you have against gravel? Think of the advantages:
- no lawn to mow!
- awesome drainage everywhere!
- don't have to build roads, just drive over the land!
- lots of things available to throw at someone's window when you want to get their attention!
I like your attitude, UT. :)
Someone got me a global warming coffee mug. It has a map of the world painted on it. When you fill it with a hot beverage, all the low-lying areas begin to disappear, including the entire state of Florida. So, if we do have increasing sea levels due to climate change, where will we keep all the old people?
In the Colorado Mountains. :D
You know, regardless of whether or not human beings are playing a part in global warming (which I believe we definitely are), there are other reasons to try to curtail our output of co2, like health reasons. My god, it used to sicken me driving on the freeway in LA. The smell of all that burning gasoline made me literally ill. And I can smell it here in Savannah too. So it isn't just big cities where there is this impact.
In addition, what about that huge spill at the coal plant last month? Or the oil spills in the oceans? Or the strip mining, which releases all kinds of heavy metals into the environment?
The truth is, as a species, we are not very efficient at getting our needs met in a way that isn't harmful. Don't you all want clean air to breathe? And fresh water to drink, and nutritious food to eat? We NEED to reduce our impact on the environment.
Oh for sure. Human beings should definitely clean up their act. I was really playing devils advocate anyway, although I'm really not so convinced now that human beings are responsible for global warming in any case.
We have issues with air pollution here in Oz, but nowhere near that in the US and some other countries.
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Doesn't mean it was pleasant. Also doesn't mean we can survive the next one. We know more, but we also put a lot more stress on the planet these days.
Life is not very pleasant for billions of people now.
Life is not very pleasant for billions of people now.
Is it any wonder? There are too damn many of us.
You know, before we learned how to exploit old dinosaurs and plankton for energy, there were manageable numbers of people on the planet. Once we started using coal and oil, we began overpopulating like crazy. Between about 1800 and 1930 the population doubled from around 1 billion to 2 billion people. About 40 years later it doubled again. About 25 years later it doubled again. (do you see a trend here?)
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/history/world-population-growth.htm
From 10,000 years ago to 1750 CE, population world-wide increased on average by about 67,000 people a year. By the 1990s, that many new babies were crowding onto the planet every seven hours.
http://worldhistoryforusall.sdsu.edu/themes/keytheme1.htmAnd spotted owls... (J/K - I owed ya one :D)
:D
Is it any wonder? There are too damn many of us.
You know, before we learned how to exploit old dinosaurs and plankton for energy, there were manageable numbers of people on the planet. Once we started using coal and oil, we began overpopulating like crazy. Between about 1800 and 1930 the population doubled from around 1 billion to 2 billion people. About 40 years later it doubled again. About 25 years later it doubled again. (do you see a trend here?) http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/history/world-population-growth.htm
From 10,000 years ago to 1750 CE, population world-wide increased on average by about 67,000 people a year. By the 1990s, that many new babies were crowding onto the planet every seven hours. http://worldhistoryforusall.sdsu.edu/themes/keytheme1.htm
Yeah...it's those bloody catholics!
Someone got me a global warming coffee mug. It has a map of the world painted on it. When you fill it with a hot beverage, all the low-lying areas begin to disappear, including the entire state of Florida. So, if we do have increasing sea levels due to climate change, where will we keep all the old people?
I want one. Just to see if my house will be underwater. And as for the old people, who says we were going to move them. Just Katrina them. :D
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