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lumberjim • Dec 1, 2008 8:22 pm
Hot water freezes faster than cold water.

mpemba effect


no shit!
DucksNuts • Dec 1, 2008 8:55 pm
I used to make a few $$'s at the pub.....

ok, aside from having guys flick $2 coins down my top...

I would walk up to a hot dude.."I bet you 5 bucks I can guess the number on the bottom of your beer bottle by just touching the stubby".....run hands seductively up and down bottle....."[insert correct number here]". Guy then proceeds to be astounded and goes home with me.

tis simple, the number on the bottom of the stubby is also printed on the side of it.
ZenGum • Dec 1, 2008 9:15 pm
I'm sure he knew the trick. He just had the sense to play along. :D
Flint • Dec 2, 2008 1:31 pm
Yeah, he goes home with you because you jacked off his longneck.
lookout123 • Dec 2, 2008 2:17 pm
i don't care what the bet is - I win so long as Ducks is holding my stubby.
LabRat • Dec 2, 2008 3:06 pm
I think it depends what she's holding it with...
lumberjim • Dec 2, 2008 3:08 pm
science thread here, people. not a smutfest of smutty smut.
Flint • Dec 2, 2008 3:22 pm
mmm I'll bet Ducks gets all scientifical with a wang
glatt • Dec 2, 2008 4:38 pm
Flint;509944 wrote:
mmm I'll bet Ducks gets all scientifical with a wang
Beestie • Dec 2, 2008 10:13 pm
lumberjim;509746 wrote:
Hot water freezes faster than cold water.

mpemba effect


no shit!


It has to do with the tendency of water to chemically bond to other substances at a rate proportional to its temperature and the increase in volume. Lower density together with the higher rate of bonding causes hot water to release its heat at a faster rate than cold water. Water that starts hot continues to release its heat at a faster rate than cold water even when the hot water cools to the temperature of the cooler water because the bonding that occured at the higher temperature remains intact. Water reaches its maximum density at 4° C - just above zero and expands above or below this temp.

But for that 4°, there would be no life on earth.

Water, for its apparent simplicity, is one of the most complicated and least understood molecules in nature.
Radar • Dec 3, 2008 2:06 am
Glatt:

WANG used to make the first floppy drives. The disks were 8 inches across. I remember in high school I got my hands on an 8-inch wang. The 5 1/4 inch floppys were already being used in most smaller computers but the 8-inch wang drive was on the school mainframe. I had access to the mainframe because I was a top student in my school and worked in the office during homeroom period.

I wish I still had an 8-inch wang. Now I don't even have a 3 and a half incher anymore.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2008 2:14 am
Beestie;509999 wrote:
Water that starts hot continues to release its heat at a faster rate than cold water even when the hot water cools to the temperature of the cooler water because the bonding that occured at the higher temperature remains intact.
Bonded to what?
ZenGum • Dec 3, 2008 3:11 am
Glatt : :notworthy:
classicman • Dec 3, 2008 8:54 am
Radar;510055 wrote:
I remember in high school I got my hands on an 8-inch wang.


ORLY?






I just couldn't resist.
lookout123 • Dec 3, 2008 10:34 am
radar, that is the single best post you've ever made.
Shawnee123 • Dec 3, 2008 10:49 am
I've always wondered why, when making ice cubes, if you use hot water you'll get little peaks in your cube, like a wave. My brother told me it's not true that hot water freezes faster...so how does it peak?

Has anyone seen this as well?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 3, 2008 12:37 pm
Next time you make hot water ice cubes, peek. ;)
Shawnee123 • Dec 3, 2008 12:55 pm
I should replace my freezer door with a microwave door, then catch 'em in the act.
Scriveyn • Dec 4, 2008 5:09 am
Part of the hot water evaporates.
So
.... there is less water left in the tray to freeze and
.... the evaporation process extracts energy from the water
Clodfobble • Dec 4, 2008 1:48 pm
If you read the Wiki link, they acknowledge that evaporation can play a role, but they also did an experiment where they controlled for evaporation and the hot water still froze faster.
wolf • Dec 4, 2008 7:16 pm
Have the Mythbusters done this yet?

I'll take their word on it, nobody else's.
classicman • Dec 4, 2008 8:05 pm
The question then becomes....




Does it freeze faster on a treadmill?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 5, 2008 3:15 am
Clodfobble;510638 wrote:
If you read the Wiki link, they acknowledge that evaporation can play a role, but they also did an experiment where they controlled for evaporation and the hot water still froze faster.


Yes, hot water pipes freeze faster than the cold. No evaporation there.
classicman • Dec 6, 2008 1:28 am
Aren't the molecules farther apart in the hot water and thereby more susceptible to temperature change leading to a faster cooling rate?
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 6, 2008 3:17 am
Yes, and because there are less of them in a given space, there is less total latent heat.
ZenGum • Dec 6, 2008 9:23 am
But I think the experiments were done with a given amount (mass) of water.

It is so counter-intuitive, because for a hotter sample to freeze, it must first reach and pass through the colder temperature, and it is tempting to think of it as cooling from there (the colder temperature) just as the cold sample did. Obviously not.
The explanation I found most plausible is that some kind of condition is created by being at higher temperatures which survives the drop to lower temperatures. It could be an internal mixing movement or something weirder at the microphysical level.
Shawnee123 • Dec 6, 2008 10:44 am
Let me get this straight: We can send a man to the moon (don't you love that antique phrase?) but no one can find a definitive answer regarding the science of water?

I found some articles, but still, I would think that they physical properties of water had pretty much been explored.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/hot_water.html

http://itotd.com/articles/521/water-freezing-and-boiling-myths/

Classic is right: this is not unlike the treadmill arguments.
xoxoxoBruce • Dec 6, 2008 12:08 pm
ZenGum;511225 wrote:
But I think the experiments were done with a given amount (mass) of water.


Mpemba's experiment used identical volume, not mass.
classicman • Dec 6, 2008 12:21 pm
Ahh zen, but there you have hit on it precisely. There is so much about water that we really do not know. It is amazing that so much of our planet and all the very life upon it relies, yet we still don't fully comprehend so many things about it.
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