Obama Derangement Syndrome
Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship
WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.
"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."
Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.
"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."
Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Broun said he also believes Obama likely will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.
Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.
"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."
Obama's transition office did not respond immediately to Broun's remarks.
OMFG - Already??? C'mon people!
Without classicman's permission, I've created this new thread, and using my double-secret moderation powers, I've copied his post from Partisan Stupidity into this thread, Obama Derangement Syndrome.
OK now having said that. This thread is for examples of otherwise ordinary people finding reason to believe that there is a secret plan by which Obama is going to destroy the USA.
There were many similar cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome and, before that, Clinton Derangement Syndrome. CDS went so far as to carry rumors that Clinton ran a cocaine operation, and that he had many people killed.
ODS - odious, nicely played sir.
Clinton was the Anti-Christ; Bush was Hitler; I think Obama's leaning towards more of a Stalin type.
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Clinton was the Anti-Christ; Bush was Hitler; I think Obama's leaning towards more of a Stalin type.
... and UT just displayed his powers to create the Fourth Reich. We have nothing to fear but those we fear.
Clinton Derangement Syndrome. CDS went so far as to carry rumors that Clinton ran a cocaine operation, and had many people killed.
You mean she didn't?
........ there is a secret plan by which Obama is going to destroy the USA.
UT says President Elect Obama is going to destroy us!!! The sky is falling. The sky is falling. I've got to buy more aluminum foil.
I think you'll be ok chicken little. ;)
my own grandmother - otherwise a wholly reasonable and lovely lady - think that obama is a secret muslim manchurian candidate who hates america and conspires with wright and ayers to kill americans... not to mention that he's the antichrist.
O.D.S. for short! Love it! ;) Oh, someone already said that..mm'kay...ooops.
LJ, try a London accent with that face - you so look like Michael Caine :)
I'd be :rofl: except for the fact that this guy is in a position of power.
I'd be :rofl: except for the fact that this guy is in a position of power.
Michael Caine is a great actor, the caliber of Gene Hackman but that doesn't put him in a position of power, in my opinion anyway.
I'm so confused. What was LJ saying, and does he look like Michael Caine? Is Michael Caine in charge of something? Why does the sound come out of my computer tower and not the speakers that are hooked up? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck?
Why does the sound come out of my computer tower and not the speakers that are hooked up?
Probably because the speakers are actually plugged into the microphone jack, not the speaker jack. Unless the speakers normally play sound, in which case something's just jacked up. :)
Michael Caine is a great actor, the caliber of Gene Hackman but that doesn't put him in a position of power, in my opinion anyway.
... err, I was referring to republican congressman Paul Broun ... the guy who said the crazy shit... you with me now?
Probably because the speakers are actually plugged into the microphone jack, not the speaker jack. Unless the speakers normally play sound, in which case something's just jacked up. :)
Well, I found the right hole. The sound is garbled so I think I have funky speakers, but the sound isn't coming from the tower anymore.
Thanks Clodfobble! :notworthy:
I'm dumb!!
Nah, Clod's just that smart!
Well, I found the right hole.
*sniggers*
I'd be :rofl: except for the fact that this guy is in a position of power.
May it be that he reflects some of the fears of the common man?
I need to go out and stock up on guns and ammo...only because a lot of conservatives are stocking up on them and I don't trust those fuckers with guns anymore. :D
I heard that people are stockpiling and panic buying to a greater degree than during the Y2K runup....
I need to go out and stock up on guns and ammo...only because a lot of conservatives are stocking up on them and I don't trust those fuckers with guns anymore. :D
LOL!!
I need to go out and stock up on guns and ammo...only because a lot of conservatives are stocking up on them and I don't trust those fuckers with guns anymore. :D
Yea, we bought a few more. Need to get more ammo now. :D
I heard that people are stockpiling and panic buying to a greater degree than during the Y2K runup....
It might be that there's a rumor going around that Acorn is giving out free guns.:headshake There wasn't, but all I need is an account on Conservapedia to get things started.
If guns are the solution, then the logical extension is that
all individuals in high crime areas should be armed. Of course, this would involve a lot of minority gun owners.
Maybe the NAACP and the NRA can start a program to legally arm as many people in Camden as possible.
If most law abiding citizens owned one crime would drop. It did in Florida.
Maybe the NAACP and the NRA can start a program to legally arm as many people in Camden as possible.
Probably a good idea.
Beats the shit out of the avowed bad guys having ninety percent of the neighborhood firepower.
:cool:
Rep. Frank: Obama 'Overestimates' Ability to Unify
Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) thinks that President-elect Obama picked same-sex marriage opponent Rick Warren to give the inauguration invocation because Obama "overestimates" his ability to unify people.
"Oh, I believe that he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences," said Frank, the first House member to come out of the closet voluntarily.
Frank, on MSNBC on Monday, said that he's delighted Obama was elected and that the country is headed into the "best time" for public policy since the New Deal.
"But my one question is, I think he overestimates his ability to take people, particularly our colleagues on the right, and, sort of, charm them into being nice," Frank said. "I know he talks about being post-partisan. But I've worked, frankly, with Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, the current Republican leadership. The current Republican leadership in the House repudiated George Bush. I don't know why Mr. Obama thinks he's going to have them better than George Bush.
"And so, to be honest, when he talks about being post-partisan, having seen these people and knowing what they would do in that situation, I suffer from post-partisan depression," Frank said jokingly.
Because the majority of voters have said with their vote that's what they want. Now it's up to those voters to clean up the Congress as well.
Now it's up to those voters to clean up the Congress as well.
Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.
I like Briannas idea in the "Bailing Out" thread.
Line every member of congress and house up single file, get out the guillotine, and look at their history.
The fly in that ointment is who's the judge/jury? You? Me? The people of their home district that keeps reelecting them? :confused:
The fly in that ointment is who's the judge/jury? You? Me? The people of their home district that keeps reelecting them? :confused:
Its a very dark joke. But you make your point.
I just watched a History channel show on the French Revolution. Yes, they went a bit overboard with the head chopping but it's still a fundamentally sound idea.
/smirk/
The fly in that ointment is who's the judge/jury? You? Me? The people of their home district that keeps reelecting them? :confused:
the Judge and Jury would be Common Sense. We need Benjamin Franklin.
I just watched a History channel show on the French Revolution. Yes, they went a bit overboard with the head chopping but it's still a fundamentally sound idea.
/smirk/
True nuf. The cool part is how the choppers get chopped as well. Anyone who was that committed to their politics was fair game. I'm good with that.
Common sense? Where ya gonna find that in Washington? You'd have to bus them all to Ohio or someplace. :haha:
the Judge and Jury would be Common Sense. We need Benjamin Franklin.
Yea, we call that Military Tribunals.
Yea, we call that Military Tribunals.
You'd be one of the top ten on the chopping block, merc!
You'd be one of the top ten on the chopping block, merc!
Sure. Right after you.
Sure. Right after you.
I'm afraid I'm revolution-proof. I'll tell your mates you didn't shit your pants, though.
I'm afraid I'm revolution-proof. I'll tell your mates you didn't shit your pants, though.
You would never make it out of the Olympic Training Center. They would still be having their way with you.
They would still be having their way with you.
Or vice versa. :haha:
Ha Ha HAAAAAHHHH!! ! ! !!
Deception at Core of Obama Plans
Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- Forget the pork. Forget the waste. Forget the 8,570 earmarks in a bill supported by a president who poses as the scourge of earmarks. Forget the "$2 trillion dollars in savings" that "we have already identified," $1.6 trillion of which President Obama's budget director later admits is the "savings" of not continuing the surge in Iraq until 2019 -- 11 years after George Bush ended it, and eight years after even Bush would have had us out of Iraq completely.
Forget all of this. This is run-of-the-mill budget trickery. True, Obama's tricks come festooned with strings of zeros tacked onto the end. But that's a matter of scale, not principle.
All presidents do that. But few undertake the kind of brazen deception at the heart of Obama's radically transformative economic plan, a rhetorical sleight of hand so smoothly offered that few noticed.
The logic of Obama's address to Congress went like this:
"Our economy did not fall into decline overnight," he averred. Indeed, it all began before the housing crisis. What did we do wrong? We are paying for past sins in three principal areas: energy, health care, and education -- importing too much oil and not finding new sources of energy (as in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Outer Continental Shelf?), not reforming health care, and tolerating too many bad schools.
The "day of reckoning" has now arrived. And because "it is only by understanding how we arrived at this moment that we'll be able to lift ourselves out of this predicament," Obama has come to redeem us with his far-seeing program of universal, heavily nationalized health care; a cap-and-trade tax on energy; and a major federalization of education with universal access to college as the goal.
Amazing. As an explanation of our current economic difficulties, this is total fantasy. As a cure for rapidly growing joblessness, a massive destruction of wealth, a deepening worldwide recession, this is perhaps the greatest non sequitur ever foisted upon the American people.
At the very center of our economic near-depression is a credit bubble, a housing collapse and a systemic failure of the entire banking system. One can come up with a host of causes: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pushed by Washington (and greed) into improvident loans, corrupted bond-ratings agencies, insufficient regulation of new and exotic debt instruments, the easy money policy of Alan Greenspan's Fed, irresponsible bankers pushing (and then unloading in packaged loan instruments) highly dubious mortgages, greedy house-flippers, deceitful homebuyers.
The list is long. But the list of causes of the collapse of the financial system does not include the absence of universal health care, let alone of computerized medical records. Nor the absence of an industry-killing cap-and-trade carbon levy. Nor the lack of college graduates. Indeed, one could perversely make the case that, if anything, the proliferation of overeducated, Gucci-wearing, smart-ass MBAs inventing ever more sophisticated and opaque mathematical models and debt instruments helped get us into this credit catastrophe in the first place.
And yet with our financial house on fire, Obama makes clear both in his speech and his budget that the essence of his presidency will be the transformation of health care, education and energy. Four months after winning the election, six weeks after his swearing in, Obama has yet to unveil a plan to deal with the banking crisis.
What's going on? "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," said Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. "This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."
Things. Now we know what they are. The markets' recent precipitous decline is a reaction not just to the absence of any plausible bank rescue plan, but also to the suspicion that Obama sees the continuing financial crisis as usefully creating the psychological conditions -- the sense of crisis bordering on fear-itself panic -- for enacting his "Big Bang" agenda to federalize and/or socialize health care, education and energy, the commanding heights of post-industrial society.
Clever politics, but intellectually dishonest to the core. Health, education and energy -- worthy and weighty as they may be -- are not the cause of our financial collapse. And they are not the cure. The fraudulent claim that they are both cause and cure is the rhetorical device by which an ambitious president intends to enact the most radical agenda of social transformation seen in our lifetime.
Its amazing how Dr Strangelo....uh, Charles Krauthammer found his scepticism towards government again like that.
UTTTTT Oh. SO no gang rapes in the Olympic Training Center?
Its amazing how Dr Strangelo....uh, Charles Krauthammer found his scepticism towards government again like that.
Yes, it's amazing, isn't it? Why, it seems like only yesterday that the right was telling us that to disagree with the president in wartime was treason, and that we - as Americans - "had better learn to watch what we say" (Thanks, Ari Fleischer, you little Nazi screwhead!).
And where has this urgent need for respect for our chief executive gone? At what point did the rules change? It seems that Krauthammer didn't actually respect the office he claimed was above reproach, but merely his party.
I love this decade.
Well, neocons are much bigger hypocrites.
nah - they're just more obvious. A really good conman is much more dangerous. For example see Bernie Madoff.
A really good conman is much more dangerous. For example see Bernie Madoff.
... who was protected when an extemists dominated SEC refused to investigate Madoff tips from numerous whistleblowers. To continue as a conman, Madoff needed friends in the high places - the George Jr administration.
I was referring to the people he conned the money from. Thought that was rather obvious.
Well apparently he making a deal so his wife can keep the condo and the money. WTF?
Well, neocons are much bigger hypocrites.
Having read neocon essays -- surely more of them than you -- I disagree, quite.
You've been, you know,
carefully taught, in the
South Pacific sense. But you may actually get a chance to unlearn some of the bunk.
Of course you disagree UG. lol
eta: you really crack me up. lol
Well, inasmuch as Sugarpop has yet to express a view that didn't come out of the American academic left, she's... well, a pure and unmistakeable example. I think that's very ignorant, and that some worldly experience would do her thinking a world of good.
Oh she's going to get very excited about that last post of yours UG. ;)
I can't wait to see how she responds. lol
Wow. Seeing as how I was raised in GEORGIA, such a stranglehold of the liberal left (NOT), and am mostly self-taught, that is really funny UG. I overcame my upbringing in spite of myself.
And what exactly do you mean by "worldy experience?" Do you mean one actually has to go other countries in order to understand them? Do you think people can't learn from other people? I may not have travelled extensively around the world, but I have travelled, and I have lived in some pretty diverse places.
And I would just add, human nature is human nature, no matter what culture you come from.
lail, "leftist academics". Do you mean people like James Burnham and Max Schachtman?
Well, inasmuch as [COLOR="Red"]my [/COLOR]opinion has yet to express a view that didn't come out of the American academic [COLOR="Red"]far right[/COLOR], [COLOR="Red"]I'm[/COLOR]... well, a pure and unmistakable[COLOR="Red"](sic)[/COLOR] example.
Does that shoe fit as well?
OK now having said that. This thread is for examples of otherwise ordinary people finding reason to believe that there is a secret plan by which Obama is going to destroy the USA.
There were many similar cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome and, before that, Clinton Derangement Syndrome. CDS went so far as to carry rumors that Clinton ran a cocaine operation, and that he had many people killed.
When Classicman and I are on the same side of an argument (ANY argument!) - given that I would describe him as a staunch conservative and myself on the far-left - really really shows the degree to which the far anti-Obama fringe has lost all contact with existing legal, legislative, constitutional, and
logical perspective.
[DISCLAIMER: I intend this post to be a (fairly) good-natured ribbing of the fact that I consider Merc's positions expressed in a few threads lately to be far outside the mainstream and to unfairly regard certain things as okay and certain things not okay based, I believe, solely on the fact that they disagree so strongly with Obama on a level that goes deeper than issue-by-issue debate.]
Classicman a staunch conservative
Ha! Thanks, that made me smile.
My "staunch conservative" friends think I'm a liberal.
Ha! Thanks, that made me smile.
My "staunch conservative" friends think I'm a liberal.
It's a spectrum, and a very very relative one. I live in fucking BURLINGTON, VERMONT - possibly one of the most liberal small cities in America. To me, you seem to tend to be on the staunchly - but
not usually absurdly - conservative side of most issues. I probably have a different idea of "moderate" than a lot of people - I consider Obama to be VERY moderate if not almost conservative (given that most of his policy positions, and especially his compromises, are positions that were held predominately by REPUBLICANS as conservative alternatives to liberal positions less than fifteen years ago, and the rest of the country has at least on social issues moved LEFT), while my impression is that you consider him to be fairly liberal, and generally certainly more liberal than yourself. I apologise if that's a misinterpretation or mischaracterization, but while I'm sure there are people that consider you to be to their left or even far left, from where I sit you look pretty staunchly conservative,
but tend to take defensible (and therefore sometimes moderate)
positions.
tl;dr: I feel like I disagree with you frequently but can usually respect your position, and so I would call you a staunch conservative but not a loony right-wing nutjob ;)
And I live in England and consider our current Government conservative (as well as being Conservative) and wish I loved in the Netherlands :)
What happens in the nether regions, stays in the nether regions.
Except for certain antibiotic resistant strains.
And I live in England and consider our current Government conservative (as well as being Conservative) and wish I loved in the Netherlands :)
Of course I meant to type lived.
Freud would be pleased. If he wasn't dead.
Of course I meant to type lived.
Freud would be pleased. If he wasn't dead.
So what you're really saying is that you want to live in a country with a lot of dykes....er...dikes.:cool:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dyke
Definition of DYKE
chiefly British variant of dike
Other Civil Engineering Terms