How long will he live?
Obama I mean. Do you think he'll survive his Presidency or will someone knock him off?
I don't think he'll survive. I think he'll be your next assassinated President.
The FBI and Secret Service have your IP address as I type this.
lol...I'm sure they do, but it wont do them any good. I support him and think he'll do a good job.
Doesn't change the fact that there's a lot of loonies in the world who wont be happy he's the new leader of the free world.
Shooting Obama to make Joe President??
I don't think that'd be the reason, but I suppose it's possible. To some people he'd be a much better option.
*shakes head* I don't know. I dont think so. I think they''ll be extremely tight with security.
Advice from a Republican of some note.
Not the reason, no; but the effect. I had reference to (was it Charles I?) telling the next in line for the English throne, "No one will kill me to make you king," and being right.
I think he'll survive, but I do think some crazies will try to assassinate him.
Crazies if anyone. We've never had a rational Presidential assassin yet, though whether they'd be found clinically insane I doubt.
Most famous people have a few crazies stalking or gunning for them, but President Obama is going to be drawing an awful lot of crazies. His security people are going to be very tense from now on. This is a pity because it will make it harder and harder for him to have public contact.
Still, he could guard against sane assassins, by ditching Joe and appointing Hillary as VP. That way, if they kill him, they'd be putting her in charge.
Obama I mean. Do you think he'll survive his Presidency or will someone knock him off?
I don't think he'll survive. I think he'll be your next assassinated President.
I have the utmost confidence in our Secret Service. And they will have their hands full protecting this family, something they have not had to do for many years. I do not doubt that there will be crazy people out there that try to kill him, I just dont' think there is anyway they can succeed.
Since I've moved to the Washington DC area about 20 years ago, I've seen the security around the president increase DRAMATICALLY. There is no way Obama will be assassinated unless it's an inside job like Sadat in Egypt. Security is too tight. The Secret Service does a great job at protecting the President.
I think it will be hard on Obama, because he will now be isolated from the People from whom he draws so much energy.
Nah, I don't think the crazies are that organised.
They'll sit and bitch about every little thing from the weather to the weevils being Obama's fault, but I can't see anyone taking a potshot.
It's the "inside job" that I worry about.
More sinister things have happened.
I had this overwhelming fear that it was somehow going to happen during the acceptance speech last night. I could barely watch it, I was so convinced.
I thought of that too, Clodfobble. All those people!
Why did you think they limited the crowd? And I saw people checking tickets as the masses were being admitted -- I believe it was invite-only.
No one has learned a thing from the Secret. Sheesh!
This reminds me of my mother. She LOVES to worry ahead of time about things she has NO control over. It's her life. She adores doing it. Me? It's just too exhausting to live that way.
Carry on.
I think there were two sections. An inner section that was ticket only and an outer general admission one. But I think everyone had to clear security.
He's in my city, CHICAGO! He would have been more than fine, even though the KKK's home in the midwest is the neighboring city of Cicero.
He will be the most heavily guarded president ever though,that is for sure.
He's in my city, CHICAGO! He would have been more than fine, even though the KKK's home in the midwest is the neighboring city of [SIZE="4"]Cicero.[/SIZE]
He will be the most heavily guarded president ever though,that is for sure.
Wh-wh-what?
Cic, say it isn't so!
:)
I think there were two sections. An inner section that was ticket only and an outer general admission one. But I think everyone had to clear security.
It still would have been an easy shot for a well trained sniper from 6 or 800 meters with the right equipment. I am glad nothing happened. That would have been tragic.
For someone who "didn't lose" and "will be fine" you sure are being an asshole this morning, merc.
For someone who "didn't lose" and "will be fine" you sure are being an asshole this morning, merc.
How is that, I was merely commenting about the subject at hand.
Ummm I agree with Merc, it would have been an easy shot for someone well prepared. I was trying to figure out how far away the buildings were.
I hope nothing happens. I voted for him.
Obama I mean. Do you think he'll survive his Presidency or will someone knock him off?
I don't think he'll survive. I think he'll be your next assassinated President.
That is actually the first thing I said to Flint when I woke up this morning... and then I added... but not by me just so we're clear on that... but someone for sure will manage.
Didn't some people already get arrested for attempting to plan an assassination attempt on Obama?
Imagine the drama if he did get killed last night? I wouldn't surprised if riots broke out.
I'm pretty sure we will see riots anyway... just wait... the racial tension in our neighborhood is so thick you could cut is long before Obama anounced he was running...
I'm pretty sure we will see riots anyway... just wait... the racial tension in our neighborhood is so thick you could cut is long before Obama anounced he was running...
Why the tension?
the neighborhood was a conservative middle income all white neighborhood in the 50s... now mostly retired and aging... being taken over rappidly by very low income black... you do the math
While it certainly is a concern, I think too many of you have been reading thriller type novels. I admitted to this same fear elsewhere on this board, but I right now am too busy being proud of the American people for electing the first Black President of the US. WE've come a long way from the ku lux klan, lynching and the civil rights era in the South. Yep, those elements are still out there, but the Secret Service is very good, and I am not going to let anything mar my pleasure on this day. I finally have regained some faith in my fellow Americans. :thumb: :thumb: Ooooh, and Colorado is now a Blue State. YAY! Take that you born agains in Colorado Springs and conservative West Slope ranchers!
It still would have been an easy shot for a well trained sniper from 6 or 800 meters with the right equipment. I am glad nothing happened. That would have been tragic.
Ummm I agree with Merc, it would have been an easy shot for someone well prepared. I was trying to figure out how far away the buildings were.
But when was the venue announced? A day in advance? Part of the Secret Service's ability to protect the President is to not give a lot of advanced notice about his schedule. Gaining access to a locked rooftop or open window isn't easy, especially with the Secret Service checking all those buildings in advance and having local law enforcement watching them.
I'm not saying the odds are zero, I'm just saying that the Secret Service does a very good job of making the odds very close to zero.
It will be interesting to see if Obama gets out of his limo during the inaugural parade. He might do it just as the parade gets to the White House, because that area is more secure than the wide open areas near the Capitol building.
I went to Clinton's first parade, and may go to this one. My office will be closed. Depends on the weather. You have to get there VERY early to see anything, and it's a long cold wait.
I agree. It would have been difficult. Just not impossible. The venue was announced a few days in advance. It is not past entities to put someone out there to do the deed and subsequently sacrifice the shooter. Plenty of conspiracies surround Lee Harvey Oswald. I have faith in the protection of our President. I am sure they are as worried about the threat as we are.
The Dorothys will protect him. :cool:
There were thick plexiglass panels in front of him, you had to look closely at the right shots to see them.
uh... african american
Thread-branch:
I'd stick with "black." It's concise. Jesse Jackson's (yes, I saw what he was doing standing in the crowd last night) popularizing of that piece of bureaucratese was notably tin of ear.
I had this overwhelming fear that it was somehow going to happen during the acceptance speech last night. I could barely watch it, I was so convinced.
*nods* me too. A couple of moments during the speech, I had this itch att he back of my head, almost an expectation of the moment to turn.
Thread-branch:
I'd stick with "black." It's concise. Jesse Jackson's (yes, I saw what he was doing standing in the crowd last night) popularizing of that piece of bureaucratese was notably tin of ear.
:eek: Really? What was he doing? Jacking off? Barfing? Giving wedgies? I saw him standing there but I didn't see "what he was doing." (cue ominous music: duh duh DUHHHHH):
Here's some tin for you: :tinfoil:
There were thick plexiglass panels in front of him, you had to look closely at the right shots to see them.
Oh my God, you're right. I saw them in one shot, but didn't understand what I was looking at.
Heh. It's like they know what they're doing, or something. :)
Can someone post a link to the plexiglass pix please?
I don't think that the people who currently would like to take a shot at Obama have the proper resources to do so, and the people who do have the resources, don't have the reason..yet.
What SamIAm said.:thumb2:
Interesting. I'm not sure those were really there as protection -- they seem t leave a lot of the guy uncovered. :eyebrow:
I don't know Chicago at all, so maybe those of you who have been and know this park can comment better, but I just went to Google Earth and looked at the satellite imagery for this park. The buildings behind Obama in the picture are 1 full mile away from Obama. A telephoto lens makes them appear to be closer than they are. To the left of the picture, in the direction that Obama is facing, are closer buildings that are not as tall. (They are out of frame.) They are about 500 meters away. According to Merc, a sniper could reach Obama from there, but the plexiglass protects him from that direction. Behind the photographer, there is a large museum about 300 meters away. It shields him from that direction. And to the right in the picture, behind Obama, is the lake.
I think they did a pretty good job of shielding him.
How about from where the guy took this picture? If he's in photo range, he's in bullet range.
(I don't know why I'm arguing about this -- I think he'll be fine.)
The press go through security.
But yeah, that would be more of an "inside job" and that's the only way I can see anyone getting close enough. I think he'll be fine. (of course, I did obsess enough about it to go look at Google Earth.)
(of course, I did obsess enough about it to go look at Google Earth.)
I didn't :D
As a Chicagoan, Grant Park is on the shoreline basically, surrounded by the art institute and Roosevelt U, Columbia College of Chicago and other buildings that would have been WELL covered by security. To the north is Millenium park, again no chance for anybody. No one has a chance on the ground, the only feasible chance would be on a boat but I'm sure coast guard was there with helicopter coverage, I heard choppers in the speech. The college buildings don't allow anyone who's non student or faculty or maintenance. And it is illegal to own a firearm in Chicago. There's no way anyone could get one into a Chicago college building, impossible for the art institute.
Again, I feel he'll be the most protected president to date.
It's illegal to own a firearm in Chicago? How's that working out for you?
They can never catch the ppl that possess firearms. Only the ones who own them.
It's illegal to own a firearm in Chicago? How's that working out for you?
You insensitive bastard. Chicago was killed on 9/11...hence the song "The Night Chicago Died."
Sheesh
Not well. Chicago loses more black kids due to firearm deaths than the city loses soldiers in Iraq.
I had this overwhelming fear that it was somehow going to happen during the acceptance speech last night. I could barely watch it, I was so convinced.
Me too
While it certainly is a concern, I think too many of you have been reading thriller type novels. I admitted to this same fear elsewhere on this board, but I right now am too busy being proud of the American people for electing the first Black President of the US. WE've come a long way from the ku lux klan, lynching and the civil rights era in the South. Yep, those elements are still out there, but the Secret Service is very good, and I am not going to let anything mar my pleasure on this day. I finally have regained some faith in my fellow Americans. :thumb: :thumb: Ooooh, and Colorado is now a Blue State. YAY! Take that you born agains in Colorado Springs and conservative West Slope ranchers!
From an outsiders perspective, Obama is the most charismatic man to be the American President since JFK, and look what happened to him? The two have won their seats in such similar circumstances also. (a big part of that being support from the liberal entertainment industry)
That's the main reason for my thoughts on this matter. My other thought is that he should stay out of convertibles and away from grassy knolls.
I think you need to have a bit of a look at the history books Sam. :)
Thanks for seeing hollywood for what it is
I think he'll get lucky, despite several attempts. Yes, that is the positive end.
Thanks for seeing hollywood for what it is
A liberal entertainment industry? You say that like it's a bad thing.
I had this overwhelming fear that it was somehow going to happen during the acceptance speech last night. I could barely watch it, I was so convinced.
It says so much about who those people are. A patriotic assassin would have gone after one of the worst presidents in US history. So why do we not fear such attacks on George Jr? It says so much about the mindset of assassins AND of people who are George Jr supporters.
You've seen it here. Who, for example, exudes hate and openly endorsed violent solutions? That person is a clear George Jr supporter and constantly advocates violent (and military) solutions. And that person is clearly hates Obama - as we would expect. If anyone in The Cellar was a potential presidential assassin, then this Obama hater should be #1 on your list. And yet that person loves the most destructive president this nation has seen in almost 100 years.
I don't know Chicago at all, so maybe those of you who have been and know this park can comment better, but I just went to Google Earth and looked at the satellite imagery for this park. The buildings behind Obama in the picture are 1 full mile away from Obama. A telephoto lens makes them appear to be closer than they are. To the left of the picture, in the direction that Obama is facing, are closer buildings that are not as tall. (They are out of frame.) They are about 500 meters away. According to Merc, a sniper could reach Obama from there, but the plexiglass protects him from that direction. Behind the photographer, there is a large museum about 300 meters away. It shields him from that direction. And to the right in the picture, behind Obama, is the lake.
I think they did a pretty good job of shielding him.
IMHO that does change the picture. A .50 cal Barrett could still reach him, but it would have to be a determined foe that would try to organize and take such a shot. I am not sure that the panels would have protected him against a weapon. I have seen shots with that taken through cinder block walls that dropped the target. I was completely speculatiing, I don't know enough about the situation on the ground.
Someone just made the same comment today to me about whether Obama would be assassinated. He wasn't being anti-Obama, he was being pessimistic about how far this country has come.
Sad.
A liberal friend of mine who worries just switched worries from stolen election to assasination. That said I figure Secret Service kept him safe through all those election appearances. He'll be a lot more static now, therefor, easier to keep safe.
It isn't going to happen. Some random nutjob is not going to defeat the best security forces in the world. Not again.
One Year Cellar Bet.
I will take PMs on Obama being assasinated this year. I'll send you ten dollars if and when he is, up to and including 5 November 2009.
You send me $10 if he isn't.
I reckon ten dollars isn't enough to tip someone over into assassination, right?
I reckon ten dollars isn't enough to tip someone over into assassination, right?
In this economy?
I'm going to go with, "He will live a long and happy life with his lovely wife Michelle." There...I've said it.
A .50 cal Barrett could still reach him, but it would have to be a determined foe that would try to organize and take such a shot.
It's called making all those weapons legal. Those who would not threaten the life of America's worst president, who would discuss (encourage) the assassination of Obama, also say we must make .50 cal sniper rifles and 150 mm artillery pieces legal.
Damn, tw, you disgrace yourself yet again, and you never could understand how I think. Fool! Can you not read my posts? There is not one solitary word of hatred for Obama in any of them. Read them again and know truth, as much as your crippled mind can.
Whenever you're thinking I'll ever think like you, think again and yet again. Voting for some other candidate /= hatred, you effin' kook.
"A patriotic assassin..."? Damn, what a reeking bigot. Fortunately for the Republic, if perhaps not the Cellar, you were too big a wuss to try it yourself and get turned into pink mist. Tw, old son, I question not only your patriotism, but your ancestry.
Now speaking of kooky, there's tw's ignoramus support of genocide, for he subscribes at best to the "theory of the evil gun." Any given gun is about as evil as any given drill press. Antigun people like tw support a necessary precondition to acts of genocide, whether they understand that is what they are doing or no -- sayeth
the JPFO. You can achieve a genocide when the population can't shoot back. And when genocides break out, shooting back is all anybody can do. So if one acknowledges that genocide is bad, it is logical therefore to be not merely supportive of gun ownership, but fanatical about it.
It's called making all those weapons legal. Those who would not threaten the life of America's worst president, who would discuss (encourage) the assassination of Obama, also say we must make .50 cal sniper rifles and 150 mm artillery pieces legal.
:sniper:
how many of the 46% of McCain voters were convinced by McCain's rhetoric that Obama is going to take their stuff, or pals around with terr'ists, or is just plain dangerous for America?
Now, how many of those convinced take that belief a little too far?
And how many of those already have some motive to hate anyway, be it bigotry or prejudice of any flavour?
And how many of THOSE are armed enough to do it?
more than i'm very comfortable with...
hopefully fewer than I think, maybe I'm not giving some people enough credit, but...
I just hope the secret service are reeeeally on their toes.
I think they will be. I trust them.
at least two. but they caught 'em.
Ibram really doesn't know how to be effectively antigenocide or anticrime, which is odd, because I think he's smart enough for it. He might not have sufficient discretionary income to do much about it for a while, though.
And troublingly, there is absolutely nothing pro-gun in Obama's record, and there are antigun quotes. Biden's even worse, having tried to strip Americans of their self-defense option in any amount or degree available for the twenty years of his Federal career. Pro-crime and pro-genocide = not pro-good.
If you're concerned about Presidential security, you might (re)read
this thread, about Bush visiting The Boeing Helicopter plant, during the last campaign.
That was in a fairly secure government supplier plant. I'm sure it would be tighter now We've come a long way from 1963 Dallas, plus the Secret Service has toys that would make Batman green with envy. :unsure:
Not well. Chicago loses more black kids due to firearm deaths than the city loses soldiers in Iraq.
IIRC, Chicago had more homicides than US soldiers killed in Iraq this year alone.
how many of the 46% of McCain voters were convinced by McCain's rhetoric that Obama is going to take their stuff, or pals around with terr'ists, or is just plain dangerous for America?
Now, how many of those convinced take that belief a little too far?
And how many of those already have some motive to hate anyway, be it bigotry or prejudice of any flavour?
And how many of THOSE are armed enough to do it?
more than i'm very comfortable with...
hopefully fewer than I think, maybe I'm not giving some people enough credit, but...
I just hope the secret service are reeeeally on their toes.
I think they will be. I trust them.
The people that might try to assassinate him will be skinheads or KKK types - not your usual nut job. Presidential assassins are a special breed of wacko.
I don't think that the people who currently would like to take a shot at Obama have the proper resources to do so, and the people who do have the resources, don't have the reason..yet.
You might have thought that about Timothy McVeigh, too.
There is NO WAY some bozo off the street will get anywhere near him. As I've said about a thousand times before, it's the inside job you have to look out for. Someone "inside" finds a way, paves the way, marks the way, sets it all up... to get their patsy near enough to get a shot off. Then we talk about how Crazy Guy was able to pull it off. We'll talk about Crazy Guy for years, how Crazy Guy kept a nice yard, was always nice to animals, or pulled the legs off spiders, there will be a couple conspiracy theories, then the mafia that is our government shrugs a big "I don't know HOW that effer got any where near him" while they high five behind closed doors.
:eyebrow: It's not like it hasn't been done before
Ahh, just send him to a big pow-wow down under, we'll take reeeaaaalll good care of him, just like last time.